# Health Tip: He is known as an OB‑GYN (“Fibroid Slayer”) focused on minimally invasive care and advocacy.

An episode of [Money Making Conversations Master Class](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1264705641), 14 Jul 2026, 37 min.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily. I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Keep winning! Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Here’s a clear, structured summary of the Dr. Pierre Johnson interview with Rushion McDonald from Money Making Conversations Masterclass, including its purpose, key takeaways, and notable quotes. 🎯 Purpose of the Interview This interview serves three primary goals: • Educate the public on women’s health disparities • Especially the high maternal mortality rate among Black women and fibroid-related issues. • Showcase Dr. Pierre Johnson’s expertise and mission • As an OB‑GYN (“Fibroid Slayer”) focused on minimally invasive care and advocacy. • Inspire through mentorship, representation, and perseverance • Highlighting his nonprofit, book, and mentorship platform to develop future professionals. 🧠 Key Takeaways 1. Health Disparities Are Rooted in Systemic Inequality • Black women face significantly higher maternal mortality rates, driven by: • Historical mistreatment • Lack of access to care • Low representation of Black doctors • These issues are systemic, not isolated. ✅ Insight: • Representation + access + empathy are critical to improving outcomes. “Representation in medicine matters… people that look like you will have more empathy.” \[DR. PIERRE JOHNSON | Txt\] 2. U.S. Healthcare Has Broader Structural Problems • Even white women experience high maternal mortality compared to other countries. • Causes include: • Poor lifestyle habits (diet, obesity) • A healthcare system driven by economics rather than outcomes ✅ Insight: • The issue is both racial AND systemic, tied to national health culture. 3. Fibroids Are Common but Often Mismanaged • Fibroids are benign uterine growths that can become severe and debilitating. • Many women delay treatment due to: • Fear • Misinformation • Historical trauma around surgery ✅ Insight: • Education and modern surgical options can reduce fear and improve outcomes. “Fibroids are benign growths of the uterus… but they can become very large masses.” 4. Fear and Medical Mistrust Are Major Barriers • Generational trauma from harmful procedures (e.g., hysterectomies) creates fear. • Patients often avoid care due to: • Lack of trust • Poor doctor communication • Limited access ✅ Insight: • Healing disparities requires rebuilding trust and improving patient experience. 5. Purpose-Driven Career Path • Dr. Johnson chose OB‑GYN to: • Make an impact on Black women’s health • Use his surgical skills and passion for precision ✅ Insight: • Career success comes from aligning skill + purpose + lived experience. 6. Entrepreneurship + Personal Brand in Medicine • He built a global reputation (“Fibroid Slayer”) through: • Social media • Patient education • Specialized expertise • Patients now travel internationally for his care. ✅ Insight: • Even in medicine, branding and digital presence expand reach and impact. 7. Mentorship Is the Root Solution to Inequality • Lack of representation is due to: • Limited exposure to professional careers • Lack of mentorship pipelines • Solution: Early mentorship + visibility. ✅ Insight: • You can’t become what you don’t see. “If they can’t see success… they can’t achieve it.” 8. “Pulse of Perseverance” Builds Future Leaders • Dr. Johnson and two fellow HBCU-trained doctors: • Wrote a book sharing their journeys • Created a mentorship app • Provide scholarships and career pathways ✅ Insight: • Sustainable change requires…

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. I'm Rashon McDonald, a host of
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[0:38] Speaker 1: let's get this podcast started. My guest is a board
[0:41] Speaker 1: certified OBGYN specializing in minimally invasive surgery and pelvic floor repair.
[0:47] Speaker 1: With extensive training and vast clinical experience, he has developed
[0:51] Speaker 1: a reputation for treating complex gynecologic cases, earning him the
[0:56] Speaker 1: nickname the five broad Slayer. Please welcome to Money Making
[0:59] Speaker 1: Converse Master Class. Doctor Pierre Johnson. Hey you doing, my friend,
[1:04] Speaker 1: I'm doing excellent retherve sore where you based it right? Now,
[1:08] Speaker 1: doctor Johnson, I am Chicago, Illinois born and raised and
[1:12] Speaker 1: still working. Thank you for taking the time to come
[1:14] Speaker 1: on my show. You know, we talk about black women.
[1:18] Speaker 1: I grew up with six sisters. And when I say that,
[1:21] Speaker 1: I mean that the mortality rate and when black women
[1:24] Speaker 1: are pregnant is pretty scary. I interviewed people over the
[1:28] Speaker 1: years and think in twenty twenty three, uh, black women
[1:32] Speaker 1: uh had the mortality rate of three to one to
[1:35] Speaker 1: white women when it came to pregnant pregnancy mortality. Why
[1:39] Speaker 1: is that, doctor.
[1:40] Speaker 2: Johnson, I mean several different things.
[1:44] Speaker 3: You know, It's it's you know, looking at the culture
[1:48] Speaker 3: and the climate that we're in.
[1:49] Speaker 2: You know, this is this is systemic, right.
[1:52] Speaker 3: So you know when we were were enslaved in this country,
[1:57] Speaker 3: you know, the medical treatment and care was absolutely deplorable.
[2:03] Speaker 2: You know, so everything that I know as a as
[2:06] Speaker 2: a as a.
[2:07] Speaker 3: Gynecologist now came off the backs of enslaved women. You know,
[2:11] Speaker 3: where they would hold down and slave women and perform
[2:14] Speaker 3: you know, horrible surgeries and and just practice on them
[2:18] Speaker 3: like aunea pigs. And so when slave pended, you know,
[2:22] Speaker 3: the Freedman's Bureau just was just a continuum of just
[2:27] Speaker 3: very substandard, just just horrible care, you know, treated like
[2:33] Speaker 3: second class citizens. And so you know, fast forward, it's
[2:36] Speaker 3: it's it's in our capitalistic society, it is really about
[2:42] Speaker 3: who haves the haves and have nots.
[2:45] Speaker 2: And so with that, when you look at medicine.
[2:49] Speaker 3: It's no different than law, it's no different than engineering,
[2:52] Speaker 3: it's no different than any other major professional realm that
[2:55] Speaker 3: we have. There is a marginalization of people of color
[2:59] Speaker 3: and those and those those those rooms.
[3:02] Speaker 2: You know, so the seventies sixties, like.
[3:05] Speaker 3: You know, the the numbers were you know, five percent
[3:08] Speaker 3: or sub five percentile for blacks of medicine.
[3:12] Speaker 2: It hasn't moved a needle.
[3:13] Speaker 3: In fact, it's probably got even the worse over that
[3:17] Speaker 3: entire fifty sixty year span. But to that point, our
[3:20] Speaker 3: population continues to grow, and so representation in medicine matters,
[3:26] Speaker 3: and people that look like you, you know, will will
[3:30] Speaker 3: have more empathy, have more compassion, and ultimately care more.
[3:33] Speaker 2: It's just been studied over and over again.
[3:35] Speaker 3: So when you have those things and then you have,
[3:39] Speaker 3: you know, a health system that's not that's more geared
[3:42] Speaker 3: towards capitalism and more geared towards the dollar as opposed
[3:47] Speaker 3: to really taking care of people and offering people with
[3:50] Speaker 3: the an alienable right of health care, you will have
[3:55] Speaker 3: these discrepancies because you don't have, you know, the empathy
[3:59] Speaker 3: or the desire to provide quality care for all cultures
[4:05] Speaker 3: and all races of human life. And so you know,
[4:09] Speaker 3: as we know, we're always the first to have the
[4:12] Speaker 3: brunt of the issues, all right, so you know that
[4:15] Speaker 3: it just fits, it fits the mold. So it really
[4:17] Speaker 3: starts in representation, and it starts to access to health care.
[4:22] Speaker 3: If women don't have access to quality prenatal care, access
[4:25] Speaker 3: to doctors with empathy, access to care to help foster
[4:31] Speaker 3: them through the troubles of pregnancy, you don't have those things,
[4:35] Speaker 3: then you'll see it turn up with mortality and morbidity
[4:39] Speaker 3: and mortality and in our population.
[4:41] Speaker 1: You know, I start out with that statement about the
[4:43] Speaker 1: black women the mortality rate being three times more than
[4:46] Speaker 1: white women, then I have to go to this statement
[4:49] Speaker 1: that America as a country as a whole has the
[4:52] Speaker 1: highest mortality rate when it comes to pregnancy, even with
[4:57] Speaker 1: white women. So when we look at one statement, we
[5:01] Speaker 1: understand that okay, black women people of color being underserved,
[5:06] Speaker 1: being some degree of discrimination. Then you go over to
[5:10] Speaker 1: the white women and guess what, it's a high mortality
[5:13] Speaker 1: rate there. And so I have to slide over to
[5:16] Speaker 1: that conversation. And if you can in the position to
[5:18] Speaker 1: respond to that, I would would like to know. We
[5:21] Speaker 1: are in America, Well, we are supposed to be intellectually strong,
[5:26] Speaker 1: the best service medical care, but women are white, are
[5:32] Speaker 1: Caucasian are still suffering? Why is that? You know?
[5:37] Speaker 2: I mean the best. The best thing I can say
[5:39] Speaker 2: about that is just our value systems. Right. It's the same.
[5:42] Speaker 3: Way where we you know, when we go into foreign
[5:45] Speaker 3: countries and you may you know, you be far and
[5:48] Speaker 3: far fetched to see you know, obesity right in some
[5:52] Speaker 3: of these countries. Right, so our foods and some of
[5:55] Speaker 3: the things that we value as far as the overall
[5:57] Speaker 3: health is concerned, is problematic, you know, and so that
[6:01] Speaker 3: transcends color.
[6:04] Speaker 2: Right, we live.
[6:05] Speaker 3: Healthy lifestyles, We don't live healthy have healthy eating and
[6:10] Speaker 3: healthy activity. You know, you have more obesity, you have
[6:14] Speaker 3: more hypertension, you have more diabetes. Because the way we
[6:17] Speaker 3: live our lives on a day to day basis, because
[6:20] Speaker 3: of how our culture is configurated, then you are going
[6:25] Speaker 3: to have more problems than these other countries for sure.
[6:28] Speaker 1: Wow, well, thank you for responding to that. Because of
[6:31] Speaker 1: the fact that when I try to provide information, I'm
[6:34] Speaker 1: speaking to that doctor P. H. Johnson based in Chicago.
[6:38] Speaker 1: That fact you made an appearance on a good friend
[6:41] Speaker 1: of mine, Steve Harvey show back in twenty eighteen when
[6:43] Speaker 1: he has a talk show in Los Angeles. You know,
[6:47] Speaker 1: the profession of ob g y n Why you, doctor Johnson?
[6:52] Speaker 1: Why that profession for you?
[6:56] Speaker 3: For me, it's it's a one you know, as a
[7:00] Speaker 3: as a kid, I was very fascinated with childbirth, and
[7:04] Speaker 3: I was and that that that really, you know, was
[7:08] Speaker 3: was was a seed that was sown in my brain
[7:10] Speaker 3: and something that I was very attracted to. But I
[7:14] Speaker 3: always knew that I wanted to make a huge impact
[7:17] Speaker 3: in my communities, you know, so just the way life's uh,
[7:21] Speaker 3: you know, experiences. We're all just a product of life experiences.
[7:25] Speaker 3: And so you know, I'm the oldest son of a
[7:28] Speaker 3: single mom that had all types of issues, and so,
[7:31] Speaker 3: you know, just watching medicine and watching how you know
[7:34] Speaker 3: society you know puts black women in the care of
[7:38] Speaker 3: black women at the at the bottom of the totem
[7:40] Speaker 3: pole as it as it pertains to importance. Uh, it
[7:44] Speaker 3: did something to me as a kid, and so in particular,
[7:49] Speaker 3: you know, my pathway was, you know, the way God
[7:52] Speaker 3: made me is just very very competitive, very detail oriented,
[7:58] Speaker 3: and very meticulous as it pertains to dexterity ability, you know,
[8:06] Speaker 3: for surgery.
[8:07] Speaker 2: I was a barber.
[8:08] Speaker 3: You know, I learned how to start cutting hair when
[8:10] Speaker 3: I was fourteen years old. So I just really you know,
[8:15] Speaker 3: I saw that I was really really good with my hands,
[8:18] Speaker 3: and so just the love and the passion for uh
[8:20] Speaker 3: trying to make this world a better place and make
[8:23] Speaker 3: an impact for women and very intentionally women of color, uh,
[8:29] Speaker 3: mixed in with you know, my desire to be the
[8:32] Speaker 3: best in everything that I do and now you know.
[8:35] Speaker 2: The skill sets of of being able to do things
[8:38] Speaker 2: with my hands.
[8:38] Speaker 3: It just kind of culminated into where I'm at right now,
[8:42] Speaker 3: you know, just life experiences.
[8:44] Speaker 2: Wow.
[8:45] Speaker 1: You know, when I look at what you do, I
[8:48] Speaker 1: introduced you as the five broad Slayer. Educate me a
[8:53] Speaker 1: little bit here I have, but I still would be educated.
[8:56] Speaker 1: What exactly when you say five broad, what are you
[8:58] Speaker 1: talking about?
[9:00] Speaker 3: Fibroids are benign growth of the uterus, right, so you know,
[9:05] Speaker 3: no different than any other kind of benign growth that
[9:08] Speaker 3: you can have in your body, like for instance, I
[9:11] Speaker 3: mean you have a wart or anything that grows assist
[9:15] Speaker 3: it's just it's.
[9:16] Speaker 2: You know, not to minimize it.
[9:17] Speaker 3: But these are just typically benign growth, meaning non cancerous
[9:22] Speaker 3: growth of the uterus, which is a coveted organ because
[9:27] Speaker 3: of the job that it does, which is house pregnancies.
[9:30] Speaker 3: You know, it's it's the only way that we have
[9:32] Speaker 3: life in this world. So it's it's a very important
[9:35] Speaker 3: organ that we have. None of us will be here
[9:38] Speaker 3: without it. But these fibroids are just new nuisances of
[9:43] Speaker 3: growth that happened on the uterus.
[9:45] Speaker 2: And so.
[9:47] Speaker 3: What we don't know is why they can morph into
[9:51] Speaker 3: very very large masses or numerous uh you know, distribution
[9:56] Speaker 3: throughout the uterus. And so for me of made a
[10:02] Speaker 3: just a complete niche, a complete specialty of how to
[10:07] Speaker 3: deal with these these masses in a very minimally invasive manner,
[10:12] Speaker 3: you know, to to one preserve the womb and preserve
[10:17] Speaker 3: women's uterus, but even if they don't desire that, to
[10:21] Speaker 3: be able to offer them surgical interventions that do not
[10:24] Speaker 3: leave them, that don't leave them debilitated for months on end,
[10:28] Speaker 3: allow them to get back to their to their jobs,
[10:30] Speaker 3: get back to their families, continue to be the women
[10:33] Speaker 3: and the mothers that they are.
[10:34] Speaker 2: So that's my impact and.
[10:39] Speaker 3: The reason why it's the fibrous Slayer, because I don't
[10:42] Speaker 3: want I don't turn down any case.
[10:44] Speaker 2: I've never turned down a case.
[10:46] Speaker 3: So no matter how big the fiber it is, how
[10:48] Speaker 3: bad it is, and how bad the case, I've never
[10:50] Speaker 3: no woman can ever say, well, it was just too
[10:53] Speaker 3: difficult for him. So I'm very proud about that. But
[10:56] Speaker 3: then too, you know, I've utilized my social media platforms
[10:59] Speaker 3: to be able to now expand my reach outside of
[11:03] Speaker 3: my area, which is an even more important thing. You know,
[11:06] Speaker 3: it's not I'm not just a doctor for Chicago. I'm
[11:08] Speaker 3: a fibrous layer for the world. So have women that
[11:12] Speaker 3: you know call me and console with me, you know,
[11:16] Speaker 3: from Jamaica and Africa, Canada, Sweden, Finland.
[11:23] Speaker 1: Just counseling doctor Johnson or do you actually travel for
[11:27] Speaker 1: surgery opportunities? Now they fly here, they fly here, and
[11:30] Speaker 1: they set up here. So you know, the interesting thing
[11:33] Speaker 1: about the world we live in today, to be able
[11:35] Speaker 1: to promote what you do and be able to make
[11:40] Speaker 1: yourself available for people who are suffering, because that's what
[11:43] Speaker 1: it is, you're suffering. Now tell my audience when I
[11:46] Speaker 1: use the word suffer, because you already said that could
[11:48] Speaker 1: be tremidous growth. There's a lot of fear. And even
[11:51] Speaker 1: though people are suffering, there's fear, there's costs, there's misinformation
[11:56] Speaker 1: walking through those steps of how to get the woman
[11:59] Speaker 1: to turn the corner. She needs to come in here
[12:01] Speaker 1: and get this taken care of. I'm talking about fibrosurgery,
[12:05] Speaker 1: surgery despite these fears, your job.
[12:08] Speaker 3: So yeah, So in particular, like like just going back
[12:12] Speaker 3: to the point of just access and empathy. You know,
[12:17] Speaker 3: in medicine, you know, unfortunately I get so many questions
[12:24] Speaker 3: that even from women. You know, when a woman has
[12:28] Speaker 3: advanced fiberary disease and advanced growth, you know, the first
[12:31] Speaker 3: question you ask her is why would she let why
[12:34] Speaker 3: would she let that happen?
[12:35] Speaker 2: Why is she like this? Why? And it's it's.
[12:38] Speaker 3: It's almost like victim shaming, if you will, right, because
[12:42] Speaker 3: if they had access that they had you know, doctors
[12:45] Speaker 3: that had empathy and talking logical to them, that they
[12:49] Speaker 3: would absolutely deal with it.
[12:50] Speaker 2: And so you know, with that it's.
[12:53] Speaker 3: It's it's it goes so much deeper into you know, the.
[13:00] Speaker 2: History of our country.
[13:01] Speaker 3: You know, you still look at you know, right now,
[13:04] Speaker 3: two thirds of hysterectomies are still performed in Southern states,
[13:09] Speaker 3: right and over woman majority of those are Black women.
[13:12] Speaker 3: And so you know, there are horror stories of our
[13:17] Speaker 3: ancestors that have had hysterectomies.
[13:19] Speaker 2: From you know, you know, hip to hip.
[13:21] Speaker 3: Incisions taking everything out, you know, incisions to go from
[13:25] Speaker 3: their privacy or chest. Like, these women live through these
[13:28] Speaker 3: horrible things, and so these stories are passed down from
[13:33] Speaker 3: generation to generations. So when a woman is in the
[13:37] Speaker 3: position of having you know, having to face surgery or
[13:41] Speaker 3: surgical intervention for her fibroids, you know, she hears these stories.
[13:46] Speaker 3: And so when those stories are reaffirmed when she goes
[13:50] Speaker 3: to a doctor and those are the options that she's given,
[13:54] Speaker 3: she does not choose those a lot of times doesn't
[13:57] Speaker 3: choose those, or if she does, she has another story,
[14:00] Speaker 3: and that story continues to get perpetuated. And so for women,
[14:04] Speaker 3: like my biggest thing is to now not only educate,
[14:10] Speaker 3: but to offer to actually do the work and offer
[14:12] Speaker 3: the services and the surgery that they deserve to be
[14:17] Speaker 3: able to accomplish their goals in a minimally invasive manner.
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[15:00] Speaker 4: X and Instagram. I'm talking to doctor Pierre Johnson based
[15:04] Speaker 4: out of Chicago.
[15:05] Speaker 1: He is the fibroard Slayer. Now, can you give us
[15:08] Speaker 1: some ways we can reach out to you? Say social media?
[15:10] Speaker 1: Do you have a website. Let's let's let's lock this down.
[15:13] Speaker 3: So, so my my web. The website is easy fibrouslayer
[15:17] Speaker 3: dot com. So www dot fibrouslayer dot com. Thank you,
[15:22] Speaker 3: social media handles Just doctor p twenty three Spell out
[15:25] Speaker 3: Doctor d O C T O R P. The number
[15:27] Speaker 3: two three that's that's been my My first email.
[15:30] Speaker 2: From coming out of high school is doctor P twenty
[15:32] Speaker 2: three at hotmail.
[15:33] Speaker 3: So it's been doctor P twenty three all the way
[15:35] Speaker 3: through very assistance. So if you go through TikTok uh, Instagram, Facebook,
[15:42] Speaker 3: it's it's Pierre Johnson, m D.
[15:46] Speaker 2: You know, that's the easier and easiest ways to reach
[15:48] Speaker 2: out to me.
[15:48] Speaker 3: I have a Fibrous Slayer community with women that have
[15:52] Speaker 3: have surgeries that are looking at as surgeryes. Just a
[15:54] Speaker 3: community of of of support for women that have not
[15:59] Speaker 3: only just fiber right issues, but other gynecologic issues and
[16:02] Speaker 3: the metriosis that nobody else all of the things where
[16:05] Speaker 3: they can actually get true information and not you know,
[16:09] Speaker 3: be you know, kind of searching and wondering and getting
[16:12] Speaker 3: false information. But just a community of support, you know,
[16:16] Speaker 3: where I come and I educate them and they they
[16:19] Speaker 3: offer and len.
[16:20] Speaker 2: Support each other.
[16:21] Speaker 3: And that could be found on the website on the
[16:22] Speaker 3: fibrous layer dot com website.
[16:25] Speaker 2: As well too. But those are all the ways to
[16:27] Speaker 2: connect with me.
[16:28] Speaker 1: Well, brother, thank you for that information. Now I'm gonna
[16:30] Speaker 1: go to a worried as a as a fellow member
[16:33] Speaker 1: of Vegas I five, we're perseverance. That's a powerful word,
[16:38] Speaker 1: you know that absolutely, perseverance is key. You wrote a book,
[16:43] Speaker 1: Pulse of Perseverance. Why did you write that book?
[16:47] Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the other hat, right, So, you know,
[16:50] Speaker 3: just looking at why things continue to.
[16:55] Speaker 2: Be the way that.
[16:56] Speaker 3: They are, why we're really not you know why they
[16:59] Speaker 3: tell us the needle is moving, but if you really
[17:01] Speaker 3: look at it, the needle isn't moving. And that's because
[17:05] Speaker 3: the representation in these areas to represent us is not there.
[17:10] Speaker 3: You know again, law, medicine, engineer, all of those things.
[17:13] Speaker 3: We're still very marginalized. So to be able to move
[17:18] Speaker 3: the needle and change the tides like it starts with
[17:22] Speaker 3: not only access for kids that are driven that look
[17:28] Speaker 3: like us, but mentorship, which is extremely important because if
[17:33] Speaker 3: they can't see success, if they can't see the opportunities
[17:37] Speaker 3: in front of them, they can't achieve them. You know,
[17:40] Speaker 3: you talk to these kids, a lot of them they
[17:41] Speaker 3: want to be athletes, they want to be entertainers, and
[17:43] Speaker 3: we look like down on them because it's such a
[17:46] Speaker 3: low percentage of success, but all they want to do
[17:50] Speaker 3: is be successful, and so all the world tells them
[17:53] Speaker 3: is that success has to.
[17:55] Speaker 2: Come in one of these forms.
[17:57] Speaker 3: You can't be doctors, you can't be lawyers, because it's
[18:00] Speaker 3: not many in the hospital. You can't see examples, you
[18:02] Speaker 3: have no New York family.
[18:04] Speaker 2: But we have.
[18:05] Speaker 3: Created a mentorship application, a mobile application that now links
[18:13] Speaker 3: these kids with mentors and give them the.
[18:16] Speaker 2: Resources and post the perseverance.
[18:18] Speaker 3: The book, which how it starts, just really just opened
[18:21] Speaker 3: up a complete vulnerability to say, Hey, this is our lives,
[18:24] Speaker 3: this is how we where we came from, how we
[18:27] Speaker 3: got here, the things that we had to overcome, and
[18:30] Speaker 3: now we want to.
[18:31] Speaker 2: Make this easier for you.
[18:32] Speaker 3: Get the blueprint for success to these driven kids that
[18:35] Speaker 3: are out here, because they not all bad like it's
[18:38] Speaker 3: just looking at it and they look a certain way.
[18:40] Speaker 3: The stereotypical narrative is crazy in this country. But some
[18:43] Speaker 3: of these kids are so brilliant they just need the
[18:45] Speaker 3: resources and the access.
[18:47] Speaker 1: Well, you're looking at a couple of them. You know,
[18:49] Speaker 1: I know where I came from. You know, I know
[18:50] Speaker 1: fifth Ward Company is thirty eight fifteen Media. Thirty to
[18:54] Speaker 1: fifteen is the house number of the house. I was
[18:56] Speaker 1: born in a two bedroom shotgun house. They're raised six
[18:59] Speaker 1: us and two brothers and two parents. And the shotgun
[19:02] Speaker 1: house that you know, you over that front door, shoot
[19:05] Speaker 1: that gun through that front door, go out that back though,
[19:07] Speaker 1: don't touch anything. You're living in a shotgun house. So
[19:10] Speaker 1: I'm well aware of what you're talking about. Now you
[19:13] Speaker 1: mentioned two other doctors that there was in this application.
[19:18] Speaker 1: Now you're ob g y n. What are the what
[19:20] Speaker 1: are the I guess did you re plans? Are the
[19:23] Speaker 1: medical plans of the other two doctors.
[19:26] Speaker 3: So my two my brothers. One is doctor Maximadir. He
[19:31] Speaker 3: is a boy certified cardiothoracic anesthesiologists.
[19:37] Speaker 2: He's based in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
[19:38] Speaker 1: Okay, now you threw that out that thoracic cardiothoracic.
[19:44] Speaker 3: Anesthesiologists, meaning he keeps people alive with surgeries, but he
[19:48] Speaker 3: takes care of the sickest of the sick people. So
[19:51] Speaker 3: with aortic bypasses and science plans and all of the like,
[19:55] Speaker 3: really sick people, he is the master of keeping them
[19:59] Speaker 3: alive while surgeons can do life saving surgeries. So but
[20:04] Speaker 3: that's that's doctor Madeira And now doctor Joseph Simeon is
[20:09] Speaker 3: you know my brother who's in Lake Charles, Louisiana. He's
[20:11] Speaker 3: from New Orleans, Louisiana, and he is also a minimally
[20:16] Speaker 3: invasive kindecology and he really focuses on pelvic floor repair.
[20:21] Speaker 3: So women to have issues with their pelvic floor, he
[20:23] Speaker 3: does specialized surgery so to to correct those issues. But
[20:27] Speaker 3: are a really really skilled uh surgeon in his own right.
[20:31] Speaker 2: But they're they're.
[20:32] Speaker 3: Doing phenomenal things not only in their community but as
[20:35] Speaker 3: a collective. The things that we're doing to try to
[20:37] Speaker 3: change the narrative. I think it's extremely important.
[20:40] Speaker 1: What is thattly which if pelvic floor repair, what exactly
[20:44] Speaker 1: is that doctor Johnson?
[20:45] Speaker 2: So it's you know, so women can have.
[20:48] Speaker 3: Issues uh that you know, the organs and everything sit
[20:54] Speaker 3: on the pelvic floor, right and so over time, certain
[20:58] Speaker 3: women can have weaknesses breaches of their pelvic floor to
[21:03] Speaker 3: where things start to herniate right into the vagina, Like
[21:07] Speaker 3: the bow can herniate in there there, they're bladder can
[21:11] Speaker 3: herniate in there. Their uterus if they still have it,
[21:13] Speaker 3: can herniate it is wait.
[21:15] Speaker 1: Is it tad to wait? Is it tied to weight?
[21:19] Speaker 2: Weight? So it's multifactorial.
[21:22] Speaker 3: So yeah, weight weight is a problem genetics are problems,
[21:26] Speaker 3: so some people are predisposed to it over others. How
[21:30] Speaker 3: many vaginal deliveries they've had, if they're if they're smokers,
[21:34] Speaker 3: if they had, you know, jobs in which they've been
[21:37] Speaker 3: chronic lifters, like male workers, construction workers.
[21:42] Speaker 2: You know, weight for sure.
[21:44] Speaker 3: You know these things are it's it's a multi factorial
[21:48] Speaker 3: problem that women have. But when when they have it,
[21:51] Speaker 3: it's not many options and skilled people that could really
[21:55] Speaker 3: deal with those those very light changing and and and
[22:00] Speaker 3: depreciating quality of life issues that those women have. And
[22:04] Speaker 3: so you know, doctor Simeon specializes in correcting those issues.
[22:09] Speaker 1: You know. Interesting of all three of you guys, do
[22:12] Speaker 1: you guys do interviews together or presentations panels. I'm just
[22:16] Speaker 1: I'm just blown away, fra okay, because of the fact that,
[22:19] Speaker 1: first of all, you're saying words I can't even spell. Okay,
[22:22] Speaker 1: they got titles tied to them, and that's impressive because
[22:25] Speaker 1: you on this show, and I'm bringing you on this
[22:27] Speaker 1: show because first of all, I want to recognize you
[22:30] Speaker 1: and your abilities, but also let people know, like words
[22:33] Speaker 1: like pelvic floor surgery, I had never heard that in
[22:36] Speaker 1: my life. I'm familiar with fibroad but I'm not I'm
[22:39] Speaker 1: familiar with that. So this is more like an educational
[22:42] Speaker 1: interview because we're going to expose a lot of people
[22:45] Speaker 1: to you one and to two other brothers who are
[22:48] Speaker 1: still based in the Louisiana area. You're in Chicago, you
[22:52] Speaker 1: graduate from Zava University, right, yes, sir, Well did you
[22:56] Speaker 1: know what colleges they went to?
[22:58] Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean we met Exavier, so.
[23:02] Speaker 3: We are we are there was so yeah, that's where
[23:10] Speaker 3: that's where our stories that that's where they you.
[23:12] Speaker 2: Know, with each other began.
[23:13] Speaker 3: We we met each other, as you know, three young
[23:16] Speaker 3: men lost knowing that we wanted to be be doctors,
[23:21] Speaker 3: coming from all different walks of life. You know, Maximus
[23:25] Speaker 3: from from from d C. By way of New York,
[23:29] Speaker 3: the son of Haitian immigrants. I'm from Chicago, Joe's from
[23:33] Speaker 3: from New Orleans, and we as freshmen doing very poorly
[23:38] Speaker 3: trying to figure it out and figure out how to
[23:40] Speaker 3: become doctors. We found each other at a time where
[23:42] Speaker 3: we just really really needed each other and we just
[23:45] Speaker 3: formed a brotherhood and pushed each other to to to
[23:49] Speaker 3: reach our wildest dreams becoming physicians. And once we got
[23:53] Speaker 3: to that platform and reached all of it. We said,
[23:56] Speaker 3: this isn't it like we there are things that we
[23:59] Speaker 3: have to do. We have to let the world know
[24:02] Speaker 3: our story.
[24:02] Speaker 2: One but then two, change the change the narrative.
[24:06] Speaker 3: Change the stereotypical, stereotypical narrative of what excellence is supposed
[24:12] Speaker 3: to look like. I got to hear one more time
[24:13] Speaker 3: in my life of you don't look like a doctor?
[24:16] Speaker 2: Is crazy? What is the doctor supposed to look like?
[24:18] Speaker 2: You know?
[24:20] Speaker 3: But walking through the walking through the hospitals, they are
[24:23] Speaker 3: actually right because nobody, not too many people look like
[24:26] Speaker 3: me walking through there. So you know, if we want
[24:28] Speaker 3: to change the narrative, we have to really work and
[24:32] Speaker 3: make efforts to do that. And that starts with the kids,
[24:35] Speaker 3: That starts with young it's it's it's you know, trying
[24:38] Speaker 3: to look at adults and trying to figure it out. Now,
[24:40] Speaker 3: I really have to focus on the problem and provide
[24:43] Speaker 3: these kids with resources.
[24:45] Speaker 1: You know, you're nonprofit, you know, which is a postal perseverance?
[24:51] Speaker 1: Why did you start it? And is it serving the
[24:54] Speaker 1: purpose that you want and accomplishing the goals you want?
[24:58] Speaker 3: It absolutely is and that purpose because we proud to
[25:02] Speaker 3: say that you know, all of the book proceeds. When
[25:06] Speaker 3: we wrote that book twenty eighteen, we we gave all
[25:11] Speaker 3: of it back. So we give out monthly scholarships. We
[25:14] Speaker 3: get almost one hundred thousand dollars of scholarships from that,
[25:17] Speaker 3: so we give one thousand dollars a month. Been doing
[25:19] Speaker 3: that since the book conception. But we knew that there
[25:23] Speaker 3: had to be more. It's not just giving our scholarship
[25:26] Speaker 3: money or whatever. People do that, but we have to
[25:28] Speaker 3: get to the root of the problem. And so we
[25:30] Speaker 3: knew the problem was mentorship and access, and so we
[25:35] Speaker 3: wanted to create a mobile platform. Right, We got to
[25:38] Speaker 3: meet the kids where they're at and create a mobile
[25:42] Speaker 3: platform that would give them those resources. And that's the
[25:46] Speaker 3: basis of the nonprofit is addressing that need. And so
[25:51] Speaker 3: the resources have been one creating the mobile application which
[25:55] Speaker 3: we've created, and now just expanding it and offering it
[26:00] Speaker 3: to not only these mentees, but onboarding the mentors that
[26:04] Speaker 3: we need to create this this ecosystem of of of
[26:10] Speaker 3: knowledge and success you know that we need.
[26:14] Speaker 1: Wow, that's very powerful now. And when I when we
[26:16] Speaker 1: talk about giving back, and this is what it is about.
[26:19] Speaker 1: Giving back, you know, looking at your community and then
[26:21] Speaker 1: moving forward before I get into my next question again,
[26:25] Speaker 1: tell us how to get in touch with you and
[26:26] Speaker 1: also how to apply for this nonprofit application mobile application,
[26:31] Speaker 1: because that's important too, because I want people to know
[26:34] Speaker 1: that this is a national opportunity. You're an HPC, you
[26:38] Speaker 1: graduate a loan with your two members of the medical
[26:42] Speaker 1: field who are HPC, you graduate. How do they get
[26:44] Speaker 1: the mobile application part? Where do they go? And again,
[26:47] Speaker 1: how do we get in touch with you?
[26:49] Speaker 3: Absolutely so first and foremost, like you know every kid
[26:52] Speaker 3: that the dreams are even adult that dreams. The Post
[26:55] Speaker 3: of Perseverance book is a is a must read for
[27:00] Speaker 3: for inspirations for kids and adults from the standpoint of
[27:05] Speaker 3: of of of getting scholarships or applying for scholarships. The
[27:12] Speaker 3: website is Pulse Pete like your posting on your arm,
[27:16] Speaker 3: Pulse of P three dot org so www dot polso
[27:20] Speaker 3: p three dot org. Give us the website, but the
[27:23] Speaker 3: the application which everybody should be on. You know, if
[27:28] Speaker 3: you are if you are of any success and you
[27:31] Speaker 3: you have something to give back and you want to
[27:33] Speaker 3: mentor you absolutely should be signing up. If you are
[27:36] Speaker 3: a kid that just yearning for mentorship and how to
[27:40] Speaker 3: get the tools to get to the professional realm and
[27:43] Speaker 3: the things that you wanted that you're dreaming about. You
[27:46] Speaker 3: absolutely should be downloading a platform and it is very easy.
[27:50] Speaker 3: It is on Apple as well as Android platforms. It
[27:54] Speaker 3: is the Pulse of Perseverance Mentorship app. You go to
[27:56] Speaker 3: your app store on your phone, you go write to
[27:59] Speaker 3: post a personal this menstorship app. It'll pop up and
[28:02] Speaker 3: you make up, make your your profile and you get
[28:06] Speaker 3: started and get going.
[28:07] Speaker 2: But that's the ways to do that. And you also
[28:11] Speaker 2: for students.
[28:12] Speaker 3: Now we've made it so today I have to go
[28:13] Speaker 3: through the app in order to sign or to apply
[28:17] Speaker 3: for the scholarship. And as for me again, doctor p.
[28:20] Speaker 3: Twenty three, spell our doctor p. Twenty three at for
[28:24] Speaker 3: that's for ig, that's for TikTok. Pierre Johnson, m D
[28:28] Speaker 3: for Facebook and fibroidslayer dot com.
[28:32] Speaker 2: It is the website.
[28:33] Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting watching your personality, doctor Johnson, because
[28:36] Speaker 1: you know there's an edge to you, you know, because
[28:39] Speaker 1: I know your doctor. I know your doctor, and I
[28:41] Speaker 1: know the level of interview. You know what I'm saying.
[28:42] Speaker 1: That little smile pop up, I see y'all. Thirty two White,
[28:47] Speaker 1: What do you do to balance it. Brother, What do
[28:49] Speaker 1: you do man? Because there can be a lot of sadness,
[28:52] Speaker 1: a lot of drama on your life. You know, sure,
[28:54] Speaker 1: but this is the path you've chosen. I'm proud of you.
[28:57] Speaker 1: But also how do you maintain that balance? Now? Are
[28:59] Speaker 1: your friends?
[28:59] Speaker 2: Man?
[29:00] Speaker 1: Maintain this balance because a lot of times you're a
[29:03] Speaker 1: doctor twenty four self, you go to a party. Soon
[29:05] Speaker 1: as somebody find out your doctor, they want to know
[29:07] Speaker 1: and as start asking for advice. Your whole world can
[29:10] Speaker 1: be flipped out as soon as people realize who you
[29:13] Speaker 1: are and what you do.
[29:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I stay humble, right, humility, humilily reprive.
[29:23] Speaker 2: So just you know, staying humble is extremely But you're
[29:27] Speaker 2: the five Bront Slayer.
[29:28] Speaker 1: Now, you're the five Bront Slayer.
[29:29] Speaker 2: Now come on, now I am but but I'm still
[29:32] Speaker 2: Pierre Johnson, you know.
[29:34] Speaker 3: So somebody, if somebody comes and want to talk to me,
[29:36] Speaker 3: and you know, I'm very personable, I'm easy to cond
[29:40] Speaker 3: of like I answer all my d DM. I'm still
[29:42] Speaker 3: ye still Like somebody reaches out to me, a friend
[29:45] Speaker 3: of a friend or whatever, they get my number to
[29:47] Speaker 3: tell like I'm talking to somebody about something every day.
[29:50] Speaker 3: So I'm as humble as a get. I'm as down
[29:53] Speaker 3: to earth as it get. But as far as for me,
[29:55] Speaker 3: you know, I do jiu jitsu, so that's the outlet
[29:58] Speaker 3: for me.
[29:59] Speaker 2: I take care my body. I work out at least
[30:02] Speaker 2: five six times a week. You know.
[30:04] Speaker 3: I'm really into my to my nutrition and my diet,
[30:08] Speaker 3: you know. So I'm focused on, you know, just my
[30:11] Speaker 3: body and my health. You know, that's that's kind of.
[30:13] Speaker 2: Like my peace.
[30:14] Speaker 3: That's my sanctuary, you know, of just being healthy and
[30:20] Speaker 3: just being a blessing for others. If any way I
[30:22] Speaker 3: can can enhand somebody's life or or do things to
[30:25] Speaker 3: sacrifice for somebody else, that's that that that's actually rewarding
[30:29] Speaker 3: for me, you know too. So that's how I stay grounded.
[30:32] Speaker 1: Well, he's been said he doesn't look like a doctor,
[30:36] Speaker 1: but that didn't stop him from being a doctor. That
[30:39] Speaker 1: stop him from being a man of a making sci five,
[30:43] Speaker 1: nineteen eleven.
[30:45] Speaker 2: Beauty Get Twisted. I'm still steal the bruh, you know.
[30:53] Speaker 1: The beauty of you man, And I want to thank
[30:55] Speaker 1: you for taking the time and uh be on my
[30:58] Speaker 1: show because I try to slow it down. I try
[31:01] Speaker 1: to slow everybody down to understand that you exist. When
[31:04] Speaker 1: I say you exist, you know people because I grew
[31:07] Speaker 1: up in that neighborhood. I drive through that neighborhood and
[31:09] Speaker 1: people that car are a car or vehcom driving people
[31:14] Speaker 1: is such a distant place the number of black people
[31:16] Speaker 1: get on planes. Sometimes you can live that life and
[31:18] Speaker 1: you realize that you live in a unique life, and
[31:21] Speaker 1: you're mentoring people to understand that they can be there too.
[31:24] Speaker 1: As we close out this interview, doctor Pierre Johnson, what
[31:27] Speaker 1: would you have to say to the parents of kids
[31:31] Speaker 1: who they may not know the capabilities of that child
[31:35] Speaker 1: because your parents didn't know this of you. You know,
[31:38] Speaker 1: you went there and I always tell people to today,
[31:40] Speaker 1: just go to college.
[31:41] Speaker 2: Man.
[31:42] Speaker 1: College changed my life, Pierre. It changed my life. I
[31:46] Speaker 1: swear to you. If I didn't go to college, I
[31:49] Speaker 1: would not be sitting here talking to you. It allowed
[31:51] Speaker 1: me to grow up, be a man, meet friends, and
[31:55] Speaker 1: it focused me. It took me seven years to graduate
[31:58] Speaker 1: from college that was undergraduate and nothing. It wasn't no
[32:01] Speaker 1: master's toid to. It wasn't no medical school, no law.
[32:04] Speaker 1: Seven years to get undergraduate. So it means the first
[32:06] Speaker 1: five years I was stumbling through college to that players
[32:09] Speaker 1: to make us not find so I know the significance
[32:12] Speaker 1: of brotherhood, the significant significance of mentorship being wanted. As
[32:17] Speaker 1: we close out this interview, share some advice to my
[32:20] Speaker 1: audience and some mentorship to people who may need your advice.
[32:24] Speaker 3: So they so, you know, to every parent out there,
[32:28] Speaker 3: you know, challenge your kids. You know, don't don't don't
[32:31] Speaker 3: allow you if you ask your there's no reason for
[32:34] Speaker 3: any kid right now when you ask them what do
[32:36] Speaker 3: they want to do when they get older, to be
[32:38] Speaker 3: able to say I don't know. It's not an acceptable answer,
[32:42] Speaker 3: all right, because they have time to, you know, get
[32:46] Speaker 3: on social media, they got time to, you know, do
[32:49] Speaker 3: whatever it is that they do in their free time whatever,
[32:52] Speaker 3: And you have to challenge them and say, hey, look
[32:56] Speaker 3: for two weeks if you don't know, you need to
[32:58] Speaker 3: take a half hour every single day and do some
[33:00] Speaker 3: research and figure something out. And at the end of
[33:02] Speaker 3: that two weeks they'll they'll come with an answer. And
[33:06] Speaker 3: when they have that answer, it may not be what
[33:08] Speaker 3: they do at the end of the day, but that
[33:10] Speaker 3: seed is so very important to plant that if you
[33:13] Speaker 3: don't have a goal, you're running in place, you don't
[33:15] Speaker 3: have anything to accomplish. And so for me, my aunt
[33:18] Speaker 3: did that for me, I'll say professional sports.
[33:20] Speaker 2: But she could wouldn't leave me alone.
[33:22] Speaker 3: And at five years old, you know, I said, hey,
[33:25] Speaker 3: I want to be a doctor after two or three
[33:26] Speaker 3: weeks of her hounded me.
[33:27] Speaker 2: Why did I say that?
[33:28] Speaker 3: Because you know the Cosme show at that time, it
[33:31] Speaker 3: was only positive that thing that I saw at that time.
[33:33] Speaker 3: But you know, the bigger point of it, it was
[33:36] Speaker 3: so the seed in my mind, and now give me
[33:39] Speaker 3: a goal, and now it gave me something to focus
[33:41] Speaker 3: on the work. At the other thing that I would
[33:43] Speaker 3: say is, you know, just as as our community, our
[33:48] Speaker 3: mindset has always been and we tell kids like, get
[33:53] Speaker 3: good grades, just get good grades, just get good grades. Well,
[33:56] Speaker 3: good grades are important, but the deck is stacked against us, right,
[34:01] Speaker 3: So German, it's not that we're not smart enough, and
[34:04] Speaker 3: it's not that we don't get the grades. The problem
[34:06] Speaker 3: is is that's not the game that they're playing, right.
[34:09] Speaker 3: The game that they're playing is standardized testing. Right, So
[34:13] Speaker 3: you can you can get straight a's and everything what
[34:15] Speaker 3: have you, But if you can't get past the hurdle
[34:17] Speaker 3: of standardized testing, you're not going to be able to
[34:20] Speaker 3: get into these spaces. So since that's the game and
[34:23] Speaker 3: we understand the game, we have to focus that energy
[34:27] Speaker 3: into our kids. And so it's not really you know, ten, nine, eleven,
[34:32] Speaker 3: twelve years old to start getting them MCAP prep book,
[34:35] Speaker 3: ACT prep books and start to now do questions and
[34:39] Speaker 3: start to decipher some of this. You know, this this
[34:42] Speaker 3: garbage that they want us to be able to now
[34:45] Speaker 3: hop over and they know that we can't because they're
[34:47] Speaker 3: not giving us the resources. So now we have to
[34:49] Speaker 3: take that into our own hands and really help our
[34:53] Speaker 3: kids and equip them with the things that they need
[34:55] Speaker 3: to succeed. And so that's with standardized testing as well.
[34:59] Speaker 3: So you're kid has to want this. You can't have
[35:03] Speaker 3: a kid parents all the time. It's like, can you
[35:05] Speaker 3: talk to my kid? Can you talk to my kid? Well,
[35:07] Speaker 3: I can talk to your kid all day long. But
[35:08] Speaker 3: if your kid doesn't want it, you can't want it
[35:13] Speaker 3: for them. And so you have to instill that want
[35:16] Speaker 3: in them. And how you do that is show them
[35:19] Speaker 3: the importance of a drive, to show them the importance of.
[35:22] Speaker 2: Goals and doing that very early and at a very early.
[35:26] Speaker 3: Age, and then from there they can take it from
[35:28] Speaker 3: there and then you provide them the resources or what
[35:30] Speaker 3: have you. But all too often we're not challenging them enough.
[35:33] Speaker 3: We're not making them look for the future and for tomorrow.
[35:37] Speaker 3: We're stuck in the present. And that's why we're not
[35:39] Speaker 3: our future. It's not projecting the way it should be.
[35:42] Speaker 1: Cool, brother, thank you, Man, I really appreciate the information.
[35:46] Speaker 1: I really appreciate the motivation because you know, it reminds me, Man,
[35:52] Speaker 1: the possibilities. Every time you speak. Man thinks about how
[35:56] Speaker 1: television played a role in my life. Man. You know,
[35:59] Speaker 1: just seeing things on television made it possible. And so
[36:02] Speaker 1: when you said the Cosmo show, a lot of people,
[36:05] Speaker 1: a lot of students who went to going to HBCUs
[36:07] Speaker 1: because of different words what I'm saying and so visuals.
[36:12] Speaker 2: That today you know, we don't even we don't even
[36:14] Speaker 2: have that now, right, you know.
[36:16] Speaker 1: And so so life is good.
[36:18] Speaker 2: Man.
[36:18] Speaker 1: I want to take you for coming on Money Making
[36:19] Speaker 1: Conversations masterclass Frat.
[36:21] Speaker 2: We're gonna be good for sure. Man. I appreciate it. Brother,
[36:23] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
[36:25] Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this episode.
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