# Information to Know: She discusses how hair relaxers are being linked to breast cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, and hormone disruption.

An episode of [Money Making Conversations Master Class](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1264705641), 19 Dec 2025, 30 min.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily. I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Keep winning! Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Melanye Maclin. Purpose of the Interview The discussion aimed to educate the audience about the health risks associated with hair care chemicals—including relaxers, dyes, and synthetic hair—and to advocate for safer practices. It also highlighted Dr. Maclin’s pioneering work in hair and skin supplements and her ongoing mission to raise awareness about these issues. Key Takeaways • FDA Ban on Hair Chemicals • In 2023, the FDA considered banning certain chemicals in hair products due to health risks, but no ban has been implemented yet. • These chemicals are linked to breast cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, and hormone disruption. • High-Risk Chemicals Identified • Hair Relaxers: Sodium, calcium, guanine, and lithium hydroxide. • Hair Dyes: Para-phenylenediamine (especially in permanent dyes). • Synthetic Hair: Contains benzene, posing risks of lung cancer and leukemia. • Impact on African-American Women • African-American women face a 45% higher risk of certain cancers due to combined use of relaxers and dyes. • Cultural and aesthetic pressures contribute to continued use despite health risks. • Children at Risk • Applying relaxers to young girls can cause early puberty, uterine fibroids, infertility, and increased cancer risk. • Chemicals penetrate the scalp, enter the bloodstream, and disrupt hormones. • Industry Resistance • Pushback from salons and manufacturers due to financial interests. • Comparison to tobacco and alcohol industries—profit prioritized over health. • Solutions & Advice • Avoid chemical treatments when possible. • If used, protect the entire scalp with petroleum jelly to reduce absorption. • Space out relaxer applications (every 8–10 weeks, max 10 minutes for children). • Dr. Maclin’s Contributions • Launched Bella Nutri supplements (2004 for women, 2008 for men). • Advocates internal nutrition for hair and skin health. • Website: drmacklin.com and bellabeauproducts.com. Notable Quotes • On FDA inaction: “Still to this day, that ban has not occurred… We’re continuously having women going to the next generation of life as a result—next generation cancers.” • On cultural pressures: “We’re so into wanting to have a certain look versus wanting to be healthy.” • On children’s exposure: “We’ve got to keep chemicals off of little girls’ hair… It’s causing hormone disruption, early puberty, infertility, and increased cancer risk.” • On industry resistance: “People care about the green-eyed devil called money… Look at the tobacco industry.” • On her mission: “I feel like I’m caring more about someone’s health than they’re caring about their own.” #SHMS #STRAW #BEST Money Making Conversations Master Class with Rushion McDonald is America's premier entrepreneurship, business leadership, financial literacy, and wealth-building podcast featuring successful entrepreneurs, executives, founders, celebrities, and industry experts sharing actionable insights for professional and financial success. Business Podcast Entrepreneurship Small Business Business Growth Financial Literacy Wealth Building Black Entrepreneurs Minority Business Leadership Executive Leadership Business Funding Marketing Strategies Personal Development Startup Advice Sales Training CEO Interviews Founder Stories Professional Development Economic Empowerment Business Success Networking…

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[0:00] Speaker 1: Hi.
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[0:26] Speaker 2: is the research and development dermatologist for over twenty five years.
[0:30] Speaker 2: She's a pioneer of hair and skin supplements. Doctor Mack
[0:34] Speaker 2: launched that's her name. It's called We'll get you a
[0:37] Speaker 2: full official name, but doctor Mac launch Bellinutrie for women
[0:41] Speaker 2: in two thousand and four and Bellinutree for men in
[0:44] Speaker 2: two thousand and eight.
[0:45] Speaker 1: I just happened to be.
[0:45] Speaker 2: A part of those both launches when I was managing
[0:49] Speaker 2: and executive using the Steve Harvey Morning Show. Doctor Mack
[0:53] Speaker 2: was medical director of Hype Hair magazine.
[0:56] Speaker 1: For over twenty years.
[0:57] Speaker 2: She continues to freely answer questions and under Harmonica asked
[1:01] Speaker 2: doctor Matt Platform please welco with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass,
[1:05] Speaker 2: doctor Melanie Macklin, How are you doing, doctor mack.
[1:09] Speaker 3: Hey, mister Rashawn were back again two years later.
[1:12] Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was just every two years it's
[1:15] Speaker 2: something controversial in the hair industry or the skin industry,
[1:19] Speaker 2: and I got a call on you to get a
[1:21] Speaker 2: better understanding from my audience. And before we even get
[1:24] Speaker 2: to the question, let me give everybody a little background.
[1:27] Speaker 2: Why is Rashaan concerned about women and women hair? Well,
[1:30] Speaker 2: I grew up with six sisters, okay, five older sisters,
[1:34] Speaker 2: one younger sister, then I excuse me, two younger sisters,
[1:39] Speaker 2: four older sisters.
[1:40] Speaker 1: I was in the middle.
[1:41] Speaker 2: Nine kids, okay for older sisters, two younger sisters, and
[1:45] Speaker 2: I have a single daughter. And so when it comes
[1:47] Speaker 2: to haircare, there's a concern of mine because of the
[1:50] Speaker 2: fact that when we were on the show two years ago,
[1:53] Speaker 2: we were talking.
[1:53] Speaker 1: About FDA banning.
[1:57] Speaker 2: Excuse these chemicals that are used as straight particularly African
[2:02] Speaker 2: American women. Have talk to me about that before we
[2:04] Speaker 2: get into what's happening now. When we first brought this,
[2:07] Speaker 2: introduced this whole FDA thing two years ago.
[2:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, so the FBA back in it was around October
[2:14] Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three is when they were discussing the
[2:17] Speaker 4: fact of saying, look, we're trying to get a ban
[2:21] Speaker 4: on some of these hair chemicals because we are now
[2:24] Speaker 4: realizing even though we realize it a long before time,
[2:27] Speaker 4: but they just kind of stepped in and said, look,
[2:30] Speaker 4: we need to ban these chemicals because it's adversly affecting
[2:34] Speaker 4: the health effects of many women.
[2:37] Speaker 3: And so still to this day that ban has not occurred.
[2:43] Speaker 4: We're still moving forward with chemicals that manufacturers are being
[2:47] Speaker 4: allowed to add two products continuously, and we're continuously having
[2:52] Speaker 4: women that are going to the next generation of life
[2:56] Speaker 4: as a result, right, the cant and so forth.
[3:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, cancers, And that's what we're saying. And we talk
[3:03] Speaker 2: about this now. We know it's a money making conversation.
[3:06] Speaker 2: That's why they're continually to do these days. But two
[3:09] Speaker 2: years though, doctor Mack, we brought this conversation up two
[3:12] Speaker 2: years ago, were back into no December, so it's a
[3:16] Speaker 2: little bit over two years we had this conversation.
[3:18] Speaker 1: I thought that would be action.
[3:20] Speaker 2: I was I was beating the drama in the African
[3:23] Speaker 2: American community. It does affect every community, not just African American,
[3:27] Speaker 2: but in this situation. We are talking about African American
[3:30] Speaker 2: community because as a dominant part of my listener and
[3:32] Speaker 2: viewing audience. But it does impact anybody who does chemical
[3:37] Speaker 2: hair treatments.
[3:38] Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, correct.
[3:40] Speaker 4: Because because there's all races and nationalities that use chemicals,
[3:45] Speaker 4: the other you know, non black races tend to be
[3:49] Speaker 4: more focused on the hair dyes, and it's the permanent
[3:53] Speaker 4: hair dise that actually is a major problem. That is
[3:56] Speaker 4: what's causing a lot of the new cases of breast cancer,
[4:00] Speaker 4: uterine cancer, ovarian cancer.
[4:03] Speaker 5: Uh.
[4:03] Speaker 3: And and asking Americas, it seems to be we have
[4:06] Speaker 3: a more than.
[4:09] Speaker 4: For increased risk of of these type of cancers when
[4:14] Speaker 4: we use permanent hair dyes.
[4:16] Speaker 3: But also we're compounding that with using.
[4:19] Speaker 4: Hair relaxers, right, so we are you know, we're doing
[4:22] Speaker 4: a double dip.
[4:23] Speaker 2: If you will, absolutely talking to doctor Melinia Macklin.
[4:26] Speaker 1: She is a licensed doctor. Uh.
[4:29] Speaker 2: And she didn't she's always constantly.
[4:31] Speaker 1: She's a university. Got to put that out there. And
[4:35] Speaker 1: your daughters.
[4:37] Speaker 4: My daughters, yes, one graduated in twenty twenty four from
[4:40] Speaker 4: Howard and the other one is a junior at Howard
[4:42] Speaker 4: Rocking the Yard like her mama did rocking and good.
[4:48] Speaker 3: Medicine.
[4:48] Speaker 2: So you know, I always like to bring up our background.
[4:50] Speaker 2: He started on Steve hard Morning Show. It brought it
[4:53] Speaker 2: started on the Chris Rock film that he did several
[4:56] Speaker 2: years ago, and it created a relationship between you and
[4:59] Speaker 2: I will always we care about not only our relationship,
[5:03] Speaker 2: but we care about the community. Now, when we start
[5:05] Speaker 2: talking about harsh health effects from hair chemicals, what exactly
[5:10] Speaker 2: are we talking about, doctor bac Well, When we.
[5:13] Speaker 4: Talk about the hair chemicals, let you know there's different sectors.
[5:17] Speaker 3: We have the hair relaxers, which.
[5:19] Speaker 4: Have sodium hydroxide, calcium hydroxide, glinine hydroxide, and lithium hydroxide.
[5:27] Speaker 4: So the common denominator is the hydroxide chemical in hair relaxes.
[5:33] Speaker 4: That no matter if it's done professionally or picking up
[5:38] Speaker 4: at your local beauty supply store, you're still adversely being affected.
[5:43] Speaker 4: So then let's transition over to the hair dyes. The
[5:46] Speaker 4: hair dyes have the pair phenol ethamine, and that's a
[5:50] Speaker 4: harsh chemical that's in the permanent and semi permanent hair dyes.
[5:54] Speaker 4: The permanent ones have a little bit higher content which
[5:57] Speaker 4: make them more damaging. Then let's talk about synthetic hair.
[6:03] Speaker 4: That's been the latest hot vible topic. Everybody's like, oh,
[6:06] Speaker 4: how could hair synthetic hair be a problem.
[6:09] Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you why.
[6:10] Speaker 4: It's an occupational hazard not only for the person that's
[6:16] Speaker 4: getting their hair braided, but also from the hair stylist
[6:20] Speaker 4: that is putting the synthetic hair while she's braiding the hair,
[6:24] Speaker 4: because the benzing chemical is being inhaled. So while the
[6:30] Speaker 4: hair stylust is braiding the hair, they're inhaling the benzine
[6:34] Speaker 4: from the synthetic hair. But then a person that actually
[6:36] Speaker 4: has the braided hair with the synthetic hair that contains
[6:39] Speaker 4: benzine is breathing that end as long as that synthetic
[6:43] Speaker 4: hair is on her head. So we're talking lung cancer,
[6:48] Speaker 4: We're talking leukemia, you know, like a blood cancer disorder.
[6:53] Speaker 4: These are serious things. But I think for Sean, you know,
[6:58] Speaker 4: hair is such a big thing. Are so into wanting
[7:02] Speaker 4: to have a certain look, right, versus wanting to be healthy, right.
[7:08] Speaker 1: But I think that I think that people don't even know.
[7:11] Speaker 2: That's why I have you on the show again, Doctor Max,
[7:14] Speaker 2: because I don't think they know. I think that you
[7:16] Speaker 2: go into a beauty salon, they don't have warning signs
[7:20] Speaker 2: in these beauty salons.
[7:22] Speaker 1: They're not required to have warning that's a great.
[7:25] Speaker 4: Rashawon we need to have a doctor Maax and Rashawn's
[7:28] Speaker 4: warning signs distributed throughout all hair salons.
[7:30] Speaker 2: But they won't do that because it will it will
[7:32] Speaker 2: of course raise questions and also impact their business. And
[7:37] Speaker 2: so we know that's the situation where we're at right now.
[7:40] Speaker 2: That's why I thought two years ago we will be
[7:43] Speaker 2: coming back on the show talking about the new guidelines,
[7:46] Speaker 2: talking about the warning size that anybody who applies this
[7:50] Speaker 2: to anybody's hair will have. These have to give these
[7:54] Speaker 2: people sign releases that they're acknowledging things like that, because
[7:59] Speaker 2: what I have not heard is, you know, because when
[8:02] Speaker 2: you when you talk like this, doctor Mack, you know
[8:05] Speaker 2: you lived in the Washington, DC area. Every influence is
[8:10] Speaker 2: their resistance.
[8:11] Speaker 5: When you talk like this, I hate to say yes,
[8:20] Speaker 5: but I have to say yes, okay.
[8:23] Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day, people are about
[8:26] Speaker 4: the green eyed devil all money, and if it's going
[8:32] Speaker 4: to disrupt someone's business, they're like, look, we won't talk
[8:36] Speaker 4: about it. Look at the tobacco industry for years, they
[8:39] Speaker 4: didn't want to talk about what the negative effects of
[8:42] Speaker 4: nicotine was doing to people's bodies.
[8:45] Speaker 3: They kept selling nicotine, yes or yes, we're.
[8:48] Speaker 4: Not talking about what the negative effects of alcohol is
[8:51] Speaker 4: doing to people's bodies. They're still selling it on almost
[8:54] Speaker 4: every corner in DC and every other major city. So
[8:59] Speaker 4: these some there has been a lot of resistance on
[9:03] Speaker 4: talking about it from a governmental level or a business level.
[9:10] Speaker 4: But also I have to say this, from even someone's
[9:13] Speaker 4: own personal level.
[9:15] Speaker 3: They don't want to admit.
[9:16] Speaker 4: That that hair chemical from the relaxer or the hair
[9:21] Speaker 4: dye because they're trying to cover up those grades, or
[9:24] Speaker 4: the synthetic braids because they want to have long grades.
[9:27] Speaker 4: They're not wanting to accept that that's a health problem.
[9:32] Speaker 4: They rather wait until something bad happens, and I'm gonna
[9:37] Speaker 4: say this, then they want.
[9:39] Speaker 3: You to feel sorry for them, right, And.
[9:43] Speaker 4: That's why there's a lot of there's a lot of
[9:45] Speaker 4: global lawsuits is going on.
[9:48] Speaker 3: I was asked to be an expert.
[9:50] Speaker 4: For a lot of these law suits is going on,
[9:54] Speaker 4: But in my heart, I can't you know.
[9:56] Speaker 3: What I mean.
[9:57] Speaker 4: I just I have been trying for overt twenty years
[10:01] Speaker 4: letting folks know that the potential health risk associated with
[10:07] Speaker 4: hair relaxers, hair dyes, this, that and the other, and
[10:11] Speaker 4: folks just are resistant. I feel like I'm caring more
[10:15] Speaker 4: about someone's health than they're caring about their own.
[10:19] Speaker 1: What do I do?
[10:20] Speaker 2: Let me get some clarity. And you said the word
[10:22] Speaker 2: I just can't. When you said I just can't. What
[10:24] Speaker 2: were you referencing when you say I just can't, doctor mac.
[10:28] Speaker 4: Well, I can't speak on trying to help save someone.
[10:33] Speaker 3: Twenty years later, I had been preaching.
[10:38] Speaker 4: You know, there's some certain cases I've been preaching on
[10:40] Speaker 4: to this person, hey, stop using this, stop using this.
[10:43] Speaker 4: And then now sadly they're in fourth stage breast.
[10:48] Speaker 3: Cancer or they may not be living anymore, and.
[10:54] Speaker 4: My heart has been there to try to help to
[10:57] Speaker 4: preserve their life.
[10:58] Speaker 1: Right, So I can't be a.
[11:00] Speaker 3: Savior of ball. And I can't sit up and be.
[11:03] Speaker 4: On definitely be on some legal stand and someone's questioning
[11:06] Speaker 4: me about my knowledge base, and I know my knowledge
[11:10] Speaker 4: base and so forth, but I can't help to defend
[11:13] Speaker 4: someone to try to get them some payments.
[11:18] Speaker 3: And you know they weren't trying to listen.
[11:21] Speaker 1: Historically, right, right?
[11:23] Speaker 2: And I understand that when because when you talk about
[11:27] Speaker 2: the two steps here. Yeah, the adults who will get
[11:32] Speaker 2: these hair relaxes, they can say yes and no, but
[11:35] Speaker 2: they're doing this to their children. Let's talk about that,
[11:39] Speaker 2: because you're talking about kids and the young girls as
[11:44] Speaker 2: young as five years old who will get their hair
[11:47] Speaker 2: relaxed using these same dangerous chemicals. Now, if you're starting
[11:51] Speaker 2: at five, where your hair and your scalps are, I
[11:55] Speaker 2: would like to believe the most vulnerable to this type
[11:59] Speaker 2: of chemical.
[12:01] Speaker 1: What do you say about that?
[12:03] Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm glad that you brought that up
[12:06] Speaker 4: because that is the premise behind.
[12:08] Speaker 3: The Chris Rock movie.
[12:11] Speaker 4: Chris Rock did the movie Good Hair that came out
[12:14] Speaker 4: in October of two thousand and nine. He heard me
[12:18] Speaker 4: on your show for the Steve Harvey Morning Show speak
[12:22] Speaker 4: on keeping the chemicals off of.
[12:24] Speaker 3: Little girl's hair because that was to his premise.
[12:27] Speaker 4: He told his wife, do not put any chemicals in
[12:30] Speaker 4: our daughter's hair. And he said, I was the first
[12:33] Speaker 4: person that he heard, and he had interviewed tons of
[12:36] Speaker 4: dermatoldis prior to me, and they never said what I said,
[12:41] Speaker 4: which was we're going to keep chemicals off of little
[12:44] Speaker 4: girl's hair wild because if the chemicals that are being
[12:48] Speaker 4: applied to the scalp. They're burning through the scalp, which
[12:53] Speaker 4: means you're the nerves which run neck connect with the
[12:57] Speaker 4: arteries and veins. It's getting in the bloodstream and is
[13:01] Speaker 4: causing hormone disruption. So baby girls are ending up with
[13:05] Speaker 4: early menzies and puberty before the age of ten.
[13:08] Speaker 3: They're ending up having uterine fibroids.
[13:11] Speaker 4: As they grow older, they're ending up with infertility and
[13:16] Speaker 4: then the potential risk of having an early hysterectomy before
[13:19] Speaker 4: they're even forty. And then now we're adding on the
[13:24] Speaker 4: breast cancer because we're forty five percent increased risk of
[13:28] Speaker 4: getting breast cancer at an aggressive at an aggressive state.
[13:34] Speaker 4: So we're seeing women in their twenties. Rashaan black women.
[13:39] Speaker 4: I had two friends, two were my line sisters when
[13:42] Speaker 4: I pledged at Howard in the spring of eighty eight.
[13:45] Speaker 3: Went on to be with the Lord of breast cancer.
[13:49] Speaker 3: And I know for a fact they both.
[13:50] Speaker 4: Fried and dye that hair all the time, because that's
[13:54] Speaker 4: what we did back in the eighties.
[13:56] Speaker 3: But we're still doing it now.
[13:58] Speaker 1: Well, these don't go anywhere.
[13:59] Speaker 6: We're right back with more money making conversations, Master class,
[14:08] Speaker 6: Welcome back to money making Conversation master Class hosted by
[14:12] Speaker 6: me Rashaun McDonald.
[14:13] Speaker 1: Let's get back into it.
[14:15] Speaker 2: Well, let me to ask you because you mentioned what
[14:17] Speaker 2: is the mechanism of how hair chemicals affect the body?
[14:21] Speaker 2: Because you mentioned, I'm trying to get understanding that. You know,
[14:25] Speaker 2: is it the fact that they're putting it on their
[14:28] Speaker 2: hair or is it the fact that tell us how
[14:31] Speaker 2: the process works?
[14:32] Speaker 1: I guess I should ask you.
[14:33] Speaker 4: Okay, Right, So when chemicals are applied to the scalp,
[14:37] Speaker 4: they're actually absorbing into the scalp because that chemicals burning
[14:41] Speaker 4: through the scalp is a very thick layer of skin, right,
[14:44] Speaker 4: So the chemicals are absorbing into the scalp. That's why
[14:47] Speaker 4: you feel a burning sensation and the nerves run neck,
[14:52] Speaker 4: connect with the arteries and veins as I mentioned, and
[14:55] Speaker 4: it's it's causing the hormone disruption, hor own disruption. Chemicals
[15:01] Speaker 4: that are getting into the main bloodstream.
[15:04] Speaker 3: So then now we're.
[15:05] Speaker 4: Affecting the estrogen and the body and the woman's body,
[15:08] Speaker 4: which is leading to all of the issues.
[15:11] Speaker 3: So that's that's the reason why the topical.
[15:16] Speaker 4: Hair chemicals are causing problems because they're absorbing into that
[15:20] Speaker 4: thick scalp. And and so this is why I, you know,
[15:24] Speaker 4: advise if you are going to.
[15:27] Speaker 3: Get chemicals, I say you shouldn't get chemicals, but if
[15:30] Speaker 3: you do, we need to protect that scalp rashan.
[15:34] Speaker 4: We need to use like a petroleum jelly of something
[15:37] Speaker 4: like that nature that protects the scalp to keep those
[15:41] Speaker 4: chemicals from absorbing. And that's the that's the main take
[15:44] Speaker 4: home point to folks that still want to do chemicals
[15:48] Speaker 4: is protect the entire scalp, not just the the uh,
[15:52] Speaker 4: the edges, which is what a lot of manufacturers have
[15:56] Speaker 4: been saying that have over the counter home hair relaxers.
[16:01] Speaker 3: You know, they're saying, look.
[16:03] Speaker 4: Just put the base around the edges on the ears
[16:07] Speaker 4: and around the front forehead, but they never emphasized to
[16:13] Speaker 4: put it throughout the scalp.
[16:15] Speaker 3: Right, Historically, when you got relaxes.
[16:19] Speaker 4: From like your hair dresser, which was the sodium hydroxide
[16:22] Speaker 4: relaxeres called lie relaxer, Okay, they were basing the entire scalp.
[16:28] Speaker 3: It was actually.
[16:29] Speaker 4: Safer than the over the counter version because over the
[16:33] Speaker 4: counter version was saying, oh, our calcium hydroxide or lithium
[16:38] Speaker 4: hydroxide or guannie hydroxide. Over the counter products are safer,
[16:44] Speaker 4: so you only have to base the edges, so Raseean,
[16:48] Speaker 4: that's where all of the problems started, because if you're
[16:51] Speaker 4: not basing the entire scalp, you're in trouble because you're
[16:55] Speaker 4: still having to wash this product out, which means it's
[16:58] Speaker 4: still getting an absorbing through the scalp even during the
[17:02] Speaker 4: washout process.
[17:03] Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about a young child now. Now I
[17:07] Speaker 2: want you to you kind of walk me through the
[17:10] Speaker 2: general process. Okay, a young child being brought into a salon.
[17:16] Speaker 2: How long does the chemical stay on a young child's head?
[17:22] Speaker 2: And how often do you through these processes? Are they
[17:25] Speaker 2: once a month, twice a month, or four times a
[17:28] Speaker 2: year when you're getting these lie type relaxers on your head.
[17:33] Speaker 2: I'm talking to doctor Mack, who's providing me with this information.
[17:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[17:37] Speaker 4: Well, I would first want to say, hopefully a mother
[17:40] Speaker 4: doesn't take her child to get a respect I'm going
[17:42] Speaker 4: to say that from a protective standpoint.
[17:44] Speaker 1: However, it does happen though.
[17:47] Speaker 3: But it does happen.
[17:48] Speaker 4: So if she chooses to take her young daughter to
[17:52] Speaker 4: a hairstylist, she wants to make sure more importantly that
[17:55] Speaker 4: her child's head is completely coated with like a pet,
[17:59] Speaker 4: you know, trolling jelly, a protective coating, and I wouldn't
[18:05] Speaker 4: I would not suggest that that relax would be left
[18:07] Speaker 4: on that child's hair. No more than five or ten minutes.
[18:12] Speaker 4: Heat can straight hair a shot. We don't need that
[18:16] Speaker 4: hair to get so straight that we're causing adverse health
[18:19] Speaker 4: effects in our child. But also we're causing her to
[18:24] Speaker 4: lose a whole bunch of hair as well, because when
[18:27] Speaker 4: that hair is too.
[18:27] Speaker 3: Straight, it becomes very brittle.
[18:30] Speaker 4: There's a lot of hair shedding, and then the child
[18:32] Speaker 4: starts to have a lot of hair loss. So you know,
[18:36] Speaker 4: if they're going to still go to the salon for
[18:39] Speaker 4: their daughter, I would say no more than ten minutes
[18:43] Speaker 4: application time, and I would definitely say no more than
[18:46] Speaker 4: you know, every eight to ten weeks if that.
[18:50] Speaker 3: The more they can space it out, the better cool.
[18:54] Speaker 2: I'm talking to from Sean McDonald interviewing doctor Mack. She's
[18:57] Speaker 2: based in the DC area. She's several projects products, bella
[19:03] Speaker 2: neutral for women that happened in two thousand and four
[19:05] Speaker 2: and bela neutral for men in two thousand and eight.
[19:09] Speaker 2: We're going to get back to the hair process but
[19:11] Speaker 2: I will be remiss not bringing up the Bella Neutral
[19:14] Speaker 2: projects and where it can be found. Tell us about
[19:17] Speaker 2: the Bella Neutral products B.
[19:19] Speaker 1: E, L l A, n U t R. I floor
[19:23] Speaker 1: is yours, doctor Mack.
[19:25] Speaker 4: Yes, Bellaedutri is my first baby. Let me tell you
[19:29] Speaker 4: how that all started. Because I'm the US pioneer dermatologists
[19:33] Speaker 4: of natural hair supplements, I brought that whole concept of
[19:40] Speaker 4: internal natural nutrition in the form of a supplement concept
[19:45] Speaker 4: into the US.
[19:47] Speaker 3: Did I get a lot of pushback? Yeah, they were like, oh,
[19:49] Speaker 3: you're a witch doctor. What are you talking about?
[19:51] Speaker 4: You have to take something by mouth in order to
[19:54] Speaker 4: improve your hair. Well, FYI, hair and skin are internal organs.
[20:01] Speaker 4: They just manifest externally.
[20:04] Speaker 3: So however your hair.
[20:06] Speaker 4: And skin looks is a real manifestation of what's going
[20:10] Speaker 4: on inside. That's why as dermatologists we're experts of hair, skin,
[20:14] Speaker 4: and nails. All of those are internal structures. So when
[20:17] Speaker 4: we look at externally at a hair, skin, and nail,
[20:21] Speaker 4: we can tell what's going on on the inside of
[20:23] Speaker 4: the body.
[20:24] Speaker 3: So you know, I did a lot of research.
[20:29] Speaker 4: Specifically with a company in Finland called Viviscal.
[20:34] Speaker 3: Some of you may or may not have heard of that.
[20:36] Speaker 4: It was because of me, because I helped to brand
[20:38] Speaker 4: that product from Finland into the US. I advanced that
[20:44] Speaker 4: formula so that it could work even better, and that
[20:48] Speaker 4: hence became Bellinutree in two thousand and four, and we've
[20:53] Speaker 4: had millions of capsules sold.
[20:56] Speaker 3: It's people love it. We were very excited about that.
[21:00] Speaker 4: And then I further advanced that formula to make it
[21:05] Speaker 4: even better for men, because men were coming to me like,
[21:07] Speaker 4: well you got something for us to do that of course,
[21:10] Speaker 4: and so in two thousand and eight came out with
[21:12] Speaker 4: Boulue Tree for men.
[21:14] Speaker 3: So I was called that witch doctor Reshawan. I broke
[21:18] Speaker 3: down the barriers. I was on all types of media.
[21:20] Speaker 4: They were like, what are you talking about taking I said, listen,
[21:23] Speaker 4: I know what I'm talking about. And now you can't
[21:26] Speaker 4: turn the channel without saying a hairskin in their own
[21:29] Speaker 4: vitamin neuture fall.
[21:31] Speaker 3: For women, nuture fall for men. I was like, listen,
[21:34] Speaker 3: I'm the.
[21:34] Speaker 4: One to put that information in your ear over twenty.
[21:37] Speaker 3: Five years ago.
[21:39] Speaker 2: Well, we putting it in everybody's ear right now. We
[21:41] Speaker 2: started two years ago about these hair chemicals. You know,
[21:45] Speaker 2: I see a vicious money making cycle here let's talk
[21:49] Speaker 2: about because you have the weave industry, yeah, the bread
[21:53] Speaker 2: industry like you, and then you have the diet, the
[21:57] Speaker 2: lie or the hairstraighten the industry. So you bring a
[22:01] Speaker 2: child in right, or a young woman and then their hair,
[22:06] Speaker 2: like you said, can eventually get burnt out, correct if
[22:09] Speaker 2: they continuously use this product. So then they turn around
[22:12] Speaker 2: and then they got to buy hair extensions and the
[22:15] Speaker 2: hair waves as they call them, and these hair weves
[22:20] Speaker 2: this double impact. First the stylers is having the impact
[22:24] Speaker 2: with their hair chemicals, and now they're having a physical
[22:27] Speaker 2: impact with the weave extensions or hair extension. So their
[22:32] Speaker 2: health risks is always going to be twofold. But the
[22:35] Speaker 2: person who is now basically becoming a permanent customer because
[22:42] Speaker 2: God gave them natural hair, they go in their beauty
[22:45] Speaker 2: salon burn it out through chemicals. They want to get
[22:48] Speaker 2: that hair back, they buy hair extensions, and they have
[22:52] Speaker 2: to continually buy those hair extensions to maintain their look.
[22:55] Speaker 1: That they want. So why would they want that type.
[22:59] Speaker 2: Of the load of income ending when it's a three
[23:03] Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two hundred and sixty degree cycle, doctor
[23:07] Speaker 2: Mack Right, Yes, So for.
[23:09] Speaker 3: The business owner, they're making big money. But for the customer,
[23:14] Speaker 3: the client that's coming it's in that chair, they're having
[23:18] Speaker 3: big health problems.
[23:20] Speaker 4: But guess what, the big money business owner does not
[23:23] Speaker 4: care about the big health risk that the client has
[23:27] Speaker 4: sitting in their chair because they wanted to keep coming
[23:29] Speaker 4: back and sit in their chair. And this was the
[23:32] Speaker 4: pushback that I got from lots of stylists and talking
[23:36] Speaker 4: about the harsh chemical effects of hair products because they
[23:41] Speaker 4: don't want that information to get out there because they
[23:44] Speaker 4: want people.
[23:45] Speaker 3: To keep coming back to their chair. But I'm saying, look,
[23:48] Speaker 3: you can.
[23:49] Speaker 4: Establish a niche a bing a healthy hairstylist, You're going
[23:54] Speaker 4: to make even more money because now they're now that
[23:59] Speaker 4: client is now knowing that you're concerned about not only
[24:02] Speaker 4: the help of their hair, but educating them so that
[24:05] Speaker 4: then they can also share that information with other family
[24:09] Speaker 4: members and friends and so forth.
[24:11] Speaker 3: So I feel like folks with losing money actually because.
[24:14] Speaker 4: That you're waiting for someone to come back and sit
[24:16] Speaker 4: in your chair for for a hair practice and it's
[24:20] Speaker 4: an unhealthy hare practice.
[24:22] Speaker 2: Well, there's two things. First of all, I want you
[24:24] Speaker 2: to give out the website for Bella Neutral.
[24:27] Speaker 3: Yes, you can.
[24:30] Speaker 4: Check out my products at www dot doctor Macklin dot com,
[24:33] Speaker 4: d R M A C L I N dot com.
[24:36] Speaker 4: I also have a new established website called Belaboproducts dot
[24:41] Speaker 4: com which is b E L l A b E
[24:45] Speaker 4: A U products dot com. So either one of those
[24:49] Speaker 4: websites had my products, you know, we're Shana had to
[24:51] Speaker 4: expand because folks are like, oh, we just want to
[24:53] Speaker 4: see the products. So that's why this did a product
[24:55] Speaker 4: only site.
[24:56] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I knew that was happening because
[24:59] Speaker 2: of the fact that the consistency and you know, people
[25:02] Speaker 2: online and people want stuff quick, you know, they want
[25:05] Speaker 2: app they're streaming out there. They want it quick, and
[25:07] Speaker 2: they want to get there fast.
[25:09] Speaker 4: We got it quick, and I have a wonderful webmaster
[25:11] Speaker 4: that has done a wonderful job, and.
[25:14] Speaker 3: We're just advancing. You know, I'm.
[25:17] Speaker 4: Excited that I can start doing a lot. You have
[25:21] Speaker 4: more hands on Rashan with all these things. As you know,
[25:24] Speaker 4: I've been dealing with a lot with my mom going on,
[25:28] Speaker 4: having to handle all of her Chicago properties or whatever.
[25:31] Speaker 3: So yeah, so I'm moving on up. That's what we're
[25:35] Speaker 3: doing right.
[25:36] Speaker 1: Now, Doctor MC.
[25:37] Speaker 2: You know, people can hear this interview. Can we send
[25:40] Speaker 2: them anywhere to not so much verify our conversation where
[25:44] Speaker 2: they can they just do or they can just simply
[25:47] Speaker 2: just google and the information pops up.
[25:50] Speaker 4: My Doctormaclin dot com website is very thorough.
[25:54] Speaker 3: They can look at all of my interviews. I even
[25:57] Speaker 3: have the interview of you and.
[25:59] Speaker 4: I on there, a lot of recent press that's been
[26:02] Speaker 4: out there.
[26:03] Speaker 3: It's a very comprehensive site.
[26:05] Speaker 4: That I'm very proud of, even on them with some
[26:08] Speaker 4: interviews that I did with Cherry Shepherd and Kim Whitley
[26:11] Speaker 4: for their Two Funny Mamas and some other press. So
[26:16] Speaker 4: I'm excited with the growth of where the doctor Macklin
[26:19] Speaker 4: brand is going.
[26:20] Speaker 3: Well.
[26:20] Speaker 2: I first, before I closed, you did an interview, very
[26:24] Speaker 2: serious interview with two funny ladies, Cherry Shepherd, talk show
[26:28] Speaker 2: host on daily Monday through Friday, and the incredibly comedic
[26:33] Speaker 2: actor skills of Kim Whitley. What was their reaction when
[26:37] Speaker 2: you start talking about these chemicals, because I'm pretty sure
[26:40] Speaker 2: they've used chemicals on their hat.
[26:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[26:43] Speaker 4: Well, you know, they have been really warm and fuzzy
[26:46] Speaker 4: with this subject matter and wanting to educate more women
[26:49] Speaker 4: about this, I specifically.
[26:52] Speaker 3: Talked a lot about that.
[26:54] Speaker 4: Kim called me to do the post Oscar show, like
[26:58] Speaker 4: when the slap between the Chris.
[27:01] Speaker 3: And Will that went on. So that was on a.
[27:04] Speaker 4: Sunday evening, and so Kim and I talked that evening
[27:08] Speaker 4: and she was like, can you come on and do
[27:09] Speaker 4: the show on that Monday?
[27:12] Speaker 3: Which I did. And it was a great show.
[27:15] Speaker 4: And that was a chance for me to talk about
[27:18] Speaker 4: the hair loss that they were talking about, the alopecia
[27:21] Speaker 4: that was going on with Jada, but also it was
[27:24] Speaker 4: a way for me to talk about what chemicals were
[27:27] Speaker 4: doing to our hair. And so it was a wonderful show.
[27:32] Speaker 4: That was gosh, that would have been Rashaan March. I
[27:36] Speaker 4: think March of twenty twenty two was.
[27:39] Speaker 3: It, Yeah, somewhere in that neighborhood. It was an excellent show.
[27:43] Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. I know a lot of articles reaching articles.
[27:46] Speaker 2: That's why you're on the show, because you've been getting
[27:49] Speaker 2: recent press about the story maintaining your consistency. Your storylines
[27:53] Speaker 2: are consistent, your messaging is consistent, and the truth is
[27:57] Speaker 2: you won't stop.
[27:58] Speaker 3: I'm not right off Chainsack. There's an article coming out
[28:04] Speaker 3: that I did with Web and b.
[28:05] Speaker 4: They did an interview with me about a week and
[28:08] Speaker 4: a half or so ago, wanted me to speak on
[28:12] Speaker 4: hair dies.
[28:13] Speaker 3: It was all about hair dyes.
[28:15] Speaker 4: And I think that that's gonna be a great article
[28:18] Speaker 4: and so it should be posting to webbing be very soon.
[28:20] Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Well I'll.
[28:22] Speaker 4: Have I think maybe something coming up with like MSNBC
[28:28] Speaker 4: or CNN something of that nature.
[28:31] Speaker 2: Well, when it happens, she won't let me know, and
[28:35] Speaker 2: I will let everybody listening and watching know. You know,
[28:39] Speaker 2: she is a research and development dermatologist for over twenty
[28:43] Speaker 2: five years.
[28:43] Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.
[28:45] Speaker 2: She came into my life when I was managed the
[28:46] Speaker 2: Steve Harvey Morning Show and she.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Has not left.
[28:49] Speaker 2: And that's a good thing because she allowed me to
[28:51] Speaker 2: have honest conversations about hair and skin supplements. Again, Bella
[28:55] Speaker 2: Neutra for women. Give out their website one more time
[28:58] Speaker 2: for women and men. Bella Neutral.
[29:00] Speaker 1: What's that site?
[29:02] Speaker 4: So it's doctor Macna dot com, d R N A
[29:04] Speaker 4: C l I N dot com or Belabo Products dot
[29:08] Speaker 4: com b e L l A b e A U
[29:11] Speaker 4: Products dot com. I help people along the way.
[29:14] Speaker 3: That's what's different about what.
[29:16] Speaker 4: I do versus these other imposter hair vitamin companies. Right,
[29:21] Speaker 4: you have a dermatologist that's the developer and that's actually
[29:25] Speaker 4: able to help via online, help.
[29:29] Speaker 3: Them with questions along the way.
[29:30] Speaker 4: That's why I've got tremendous success and people people love me,
[29:35] Speaker 4: and I'm happy and I'm blessed, and I'm.
[29:37] Speaker 2: Humble, very humble, I will tell you that, very humble.
[29:41] Speaker 2: And again, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation
[29:43] Speaker 2: master last and thank you for allowing me to get.
[29:46] Speaker 1: You right after Thanksgiving.
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