# Perseverance: Mindright #1 Financial educator shares his journey from working as a bank teller to a leading financial expert.

An episode of [Money Making Conversations Master Class](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1264705641), 8 Feb 2025, 32 min.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily. I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Keep winning! Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Ash Cash. A financial educator and author, shares his journey from working as a bank teller to becoming a leading financial expert. He discusses financial literacy, wealth-building strategies, and the mindset needed for financial success. 🔑 Key Themes & Highlights • Career Growth & Financial Education • Started as a bank teller at 19 and worked his way up to private banker and credit union CEO. • Transitioned into financial education, writing books, and speaking at events to empower communities. • Financial Literacy & Wealth Building • Emphasizes the importance of understanding banking, taxes, and financial tools. • Encourages people to shift their mindset from fear to knowledge when managing money. • Overcoming Financial Struggles • Shares personal experiences of financial setbacks and how he rebuilt his wealth. • Discusses how negative financial experiences can shape people’s perceptions and behaviors. • Mindset & Success Principles • Advocates for surrounding oneself with mentors and positive influences. • Encourages listeners to focus on their own financial journey rather than comparing themselves to others. • Financial Coaching & Community Impact • Talks about his work in prisons, churches, and community organizations to teach financial literacy. • Highlights the importance of mentorship and education in breaking financial barriers. 📘 About Ash Cash Ash Cash is a financial educator, author, and speaker known for his culturally responsive approach to teaching financial literacy. He has written multiple best-selling books and is dedicated to helping individuals achieve financial independence. #STRAW #BEST #SHMS Money Making Conversations Master Class with Rushion McDonald is America's premier entrepreneurship, business leadership, financial literacy, and wealth-building podcast featuring successful entrepreneurs, executives, founders, celebrities, and industry experts sharing actionable insights for professional and financial success. Business Podcast Entrepreneurship Small Business Business Growth Financial Literacy Wealth Building Black Entrepreneurs Minority Business Leadership Executive Leadership Business Funding Marketing Strategies Personal Development Startup Advice Sales Training CEO Interviews Founder Stories Professional Development Economic Empowerment Business Success Networking Brand Building Innovation How to start a business Small business funding Entrepreneur success stories Business leadership podcast Wealth building strategies Black entrepreneur podcast Minority business development Marketing for small businesses Business growth strategies Startup funding opportunities Executive leadership training Financial literacy education Success mindset podcast See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hi.
[0:00] Speaker 2: I am Rushan McDonald, a host of weekly Money Making
[0:03] Speaker 2: Conversation Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this show
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[0:23] Speaker 2: to me. Now let's get this show started. My next
[0:26] Speaker 2: guest is truly an industry decision maker. My next guest
[0:29] Speaker 2: name is Ashcash. He's one of the nation's top financial educators,
[0:33] Speaker 2: personal finance experts, business coach, motivational speaker, a former fifteen
[0:37] Speaker 2: year banking executive, and the author of many books, including
[0:41] Speaker 2: four Amazon dot com bestsellers. He's been featured on many
[0:44] Speaker 2: media outlets such as CNN, The New York Times, Wall
[0:47] Speaker 2: Street Journal, America Banker, CNBC, TheStreet, dot Com, Black Enterprise,
[0:52] Speaker 2: Essence Magazine, and Ebony. He is dubbed as the financial Motivator.
[0:55] Speaker 2: He uses a culturally responsive approach in teaching financial literacy,
[1:00] Speaker 2: off building and entrepreneurship. Please work with the Money Making Conversations.
[1:03] Speaker 2: He's my friend, Ash Cash.
[1:06] Speaker 3: Brother, Sean, thank you so much for having me. I
[1:08] Speaker 3: appreciate you. It's a pleasure. You know. I had to
[1:10] Speaker 3: throw all.
[1:11] Speaker 4: My money making shirt off half a little bit because
[1:13] Speaker 4: it's money making conversations.
[1:14] Speaker 3: So we had to make it happen. Wee.
[1:16] Speaker 2: The great thing about it is that watching you build
[1:18] Speaker 2: your career and watching you, you know, stay on the sideline,
[1:22] Speaker 2: watch people.
[1:23] Speaker 1: Let's start people.
[1:24] Speaker 2: I understand you don't have to jump out there immediately
[1:26] Speaker 2: to say I've arrived.
[1:27] Speaker 1: You should have come with some experience.
[1:29] Speaker 2: Let's talk about your background a little bit on being
[1:32] Speaker 2: able to make you an authority, make you authentic, make
[1:35] Speaker 2: you organically appreciated by the people who you give advice too.
[1:39] Speaker 2: How did it all start for you?
[1:41] Speaker 4: Yes, it started nineteen years old, straight out of high school. Actually,
[1:46] Speaker 4: I was working at a video store, rest in peace to.
[1:49] Speaker 3: Blockbuster videos, and I knew that I didn't want to,
[1:53] Speaker 3: you know, be a store manager.
[1:54] Speaker 4: And one day one of the assistant managers said that
[1:56] Speaker 4: they were hiring at Chase Bank for tellers, and so
[2:00] Speaker 4: I said, oh, you know what, you know, let me
[2:02] Speaker 4: just test it out. I love money, let me just
[2:04] Speaker 4: go test it out. And so I started my career
[2:06] Speaker 4: as a teller at nineteen years old, and I did
[2:10] Speaker 4: everything you know in banking, from tellor to personal banking
[2:14] Speaker 4: to a private banker branch manager. I was a CEO
[2:18] Speaker 4: of Credit Union. And while I was working though, one
[2:22] Speaker 4: of my joy I used to go to jails, you know,
[2:27] Speaker 4: Rikers Island, to churches, to community based organizations and teach
[2:31] Speaker 4: financial literacy. And I'm a big jay Z fan. So
[2:35] Speaker 4: in the words of the Honorable Sean Carter, there's much
[2:38] Speaker 4: bigger issues in the world, I know. So I first
[2:41] Speaker 4: had to take care of the world, I know. And
[2:42] Speaker 4: so I figured, I said, you know what, I want
[2:45] Speaker 4: to do this for a living. And so from there
[2:48] Speaker 4: I just decided, like how do I make money?
[2:51] Speaker 3: How do I make impact?
[2:52] Speaker 1: Number one?
[2:53] Speaker 3: But then how do I make an income and an impact?
[2:55] Speaker 4: And that's when I wrote my first book in two
[2:57] Speaker 4: thousand and nine and really just kind of you know,
[3:00] Speaker 4: became a speaker, became a financial educator, and then you know,
[3:04] Speaker 4: here I am today, still doing the same thing, still
[3:07] Speaker 4: still a financial educator, but really uh, you know, doing
[3:10] Speaker 4: it at a at a level that allows me to
[3:13] Speaker 4: have you know, more impact, uh, And you know, combine
[3:16] Speaker 4: that with with with income as well, you.
[3:18] Speaker 2: Know as when we when when I brought you on
[3:20] Speaker 2: the show, and bring you on the show. The whole
[3:21] Speaker 2: process is just to break down a lot of things
[3:24] Speaker 2: that people fear, and people fear money, and people fear banks.
[3:27] Speaker 2: Banks intimidate people, taxes intimidate people. What's the common effects?
[3:33] Speaker 2: You know, because you've been in the bank and you've
[3:34] Speaker 2: seen all those different layers that you have. What is
[3:37] Speaker 2: the number one common denominator that people have and not
[3:40] Speaker 2: be afraid of when they bank?
[3:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think first and foremost is knowledge
[3:47] Speaker 4: and then second, second of all, it's the mindset, right,
[3:51] Speaker 4: because you know, once you have knowledge, people are afraid
[3:56] Speaker 4: of of what they don't understand. And so what happens
[3:59] Speaker 4: is that a lot of people don't really understand how
[4:03] Speaker 4: banking works, how taxes work. They don't understand that part
[4:06] Speaker 4: of the game. And so what they attach themselves to
[4:10] Speaker 4: is other people's experiences, other what other people go through,
[4:14] Speaker 4: which is normally the negative stuff, and so they attach
[4:16] Speaker 4: themselves to that negative aspect of it, and so that
[4:19] Speaker 4: becomes their reality. But if they start to, you know,
[4:22] Speaker 4: get knowledgeable, right, the more we understand how things work,
[4:27] Speaker 4: that is going to the knowledge is going to change
[4:30] Speaker 4: our mindset, and then our mindset is going to to
[4:33] Speaker 4: let us know that these are you know, banking is
[4:36] Speaker 4: a tool.
[4:37] Speaker 3: Money is a tool. You know, taxes even are are.
[4:40] Speaker 4: It's a tool, and if you know how to use
[4:42] Speaker 4: it the right way, you can actually use it, you know,
[4:45] Speaker 4: in your favor.
[4:46] Speaker 2: You know, really funny when you know, just hearing your conversation,
[4:49] Speaker 2: I smile because you know, you was talking about how
[4:51] Speaker 2: people could stop.
[4:52] Speaker 1: You from doing your dreams.
[4:54] Speaker 2: You know, and they have negative spirits because you go
[4:57] Speaker 2: to people, they're gonna have a negative store before we
[4:58] Speaker 2: have a good story.
[4:59] Speaker 1: That's that's factor life.
[5:01] Speaker 2: And so and in the beginning, I always tell people,
[5:03] Speaker 2: you know, don't let your age, friends, family, or co
[5:05] Speaker 2: worker stop you from planning and live in your dream.
[5:08] Speaker 2: At the age of nineteen, you know, you lef Blockbuster
[5:10] Speaker 2: went to a bank and then you started having dreams
[5:13] Speaker 2: or thoughts of running a bank, being an executive. Talk
[5:16] Speaker 2: about people who didn't believe that you could do that.
[5:20] Speaker 2: They questioned you and said, nah, you're just gonna be
[5:23] Speaker 2: a teller. No, you're not gonna have a run a
[5:25] Speaker 2: credit union. Because that stopped so many people's dreams, and
[5:27] Speaker 2: it allowed those negative moments to dominate and then redirect
[5:32] Speaker 2: their dreams.
[5:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I think. I think it's important that
[5:37] Speaker 4: you know. Uh, you can't. You can't excuse me, I
[5:40] Speaker 4: don't know.
[5:40] Speaker 3: If you hit a dog, I heard it, don't worry
[5:43] Speaker 3: about it, okay.
[5:45] Speaker 4: And so, you know, I think it's important that you know,
[5:49] Speaker 4: when you have a dream, you have to realize that
[5:52] Speaker 4: the dream.
[5:53] Speaker 3: Was given to you for a particular reason.
[5:55] Speaker 4: A lot of times people are so interested in, you know,
[6:00] Speaker 4: what their family has to say, what their friends have
[6:02] Speaker 4: to say, not realizing that the dream wasn't given to them.
[6:05] Speaker 4: And so I was met with a lot of opposition
[6:08] Speaker 4: when I had this dream of being a banker, when
[6:10] Speaker 4: I had a dream of, you know, being a branch manager.
[6:13] Speaker 4: Because the truth of the matter is that, you know,
[6:16] Speaker 4: the the finance industry is two percent you know, black
[6:19] Speaker 4: rights two percent minority. And so when when you know
[6:22] Speaker 4: you see, so, you know, a black guy who's from
[6:25] Speaker 4: the from the hood, you know, right, I grew up
[6:27] Speaker 4: with Sat Nicholas projects in all of them, and so
[6:30] Speaker 4: you know, a black guy from Harlem who doesn't have
[6:33] Speaker 4: the education that was necessary. I had a lot of naysay,
[6:37] Speaker 4: and that a lot of people telling me what I
[6:39] Speaker 4: could and couldn't do. But the one thing is that
[6:41] Speaker 4: I just had to attach myself to that vision. I
[6:44] Speaker 4: had to attach myself to that goal and make sure
[6:49] Speaker 4: that I did. I just stay focused on it one
[6:51] Speaker 4: you know, uh they always say representation matters, And the
[6:55] Speaker 4: one thing all I needed to see is one person.
[6:57] Speaker 3: I didn't need to see a thousand people.
[6:59] Speaker 4: I just need to see one person that looked like me,
[7:02] Speaker 4: that did what I wanted to do. And once I
[7:04] Speaker 4: saw that one person, that's who I locked in on.
[7:07] Speaker 4: And everything that everybody said, or everybody, all the naysayers,
[7:11] Speaker 4: it really didn't matter to me because I knew it
[7:13] Speaker 4: was possible and that belief system, that mindset of knowing
[7:17] Speaker 4: its possible was all I needed. And so I would
[7:20] Speaker 4: tell anybody who has this dream, don't share your dream
[7:24] Speaker 4: with somebody who has not lived your dream or is
[7:28] Speaker 4: it has experienced your dream or is experiencing it, because
[7:31] Speaker 4: they're coming from a space of they don't have the knowledge, right.
[7:35] Speaker 4: And so if you're looking to have a successful relationship,
[7:39] Speaker 4: you can't talk to somebody who's never been in a relationship.
[7:43] Speaker 3: Get and get relationship advice from them.
[7:45] Speaker 4: If you're looking for money advice, you can't talk to
[7:47] Speaker 4: somebody who doesn't have money experience, like you have to
[7:50] Speaker 4: have money.
[7:51] Speaker 3: Making conversations with people who know.
[7:53] Speaker 4: How to make money, been around money, who understand money.
[7:56] Speaker 4: So that way, that advice is coming much a place
[8:01] Speaker 4: of where you want to be, a where you want
[8:03] Speaker 4: to go. But though once you get their advice, it
[8:06] Speaker 4: doesn't mean you hold on to.
[8:07] Speaker 1: It because things changed too.
[8:09] Speaker 4: Right, you take their advice and then now you you
[8:11] Speaker 4: mold it, you you create it for you so it
[8:14] Speaker 4: could it'll be tailor made for you, and then you
[8:17] Speaker 4: move forward from there.
[8:18] Speaker 1: That's what I love. That's why I was excited about
[8:19] Speaker 1: bringing on the show.
[8:20] Speaker 2: Because you live my monitor, you know. Stop reading other
[8:23] Speaker 2: people's success story, that's their advice, you know, and start
[8:26] Speaker 2: writing your own. Because their pathway on how they got there,
[8:29] Speaker 2: it's different. Their age is different, their agenda may be
[8:31] Speaker 2: different than what you know. The their their parent or
[8:34] Speaker 2: support may be different, and so but their advice is important.
[8:38] Speaker 2: Just don't try to live it the way they and
[8:40] Speaker 2: achieve it the way they achieved it. But more importantly,
[8:42] Speaker 2: when I listen to you communicate all these these nuggets
[8:46] Speaker 2: of information about your your history. And I tell people
[8:49] Speaker 2: between the ages of eighteen and twenty three are important
[8:52] Speaker 2: because that's when you're out there being yourself. You're champing
[8:56] Speaker 2: on your own causes. You know, you may not be married yet,
[8:58] Speaker 2: you may be just a a guy inspired or female
[9:01] Speaker 2: inspired about your dreams. And when you get out of that,
[9:04] Speaker 2: when you get your thirties and forties, is when your
[9:07] Speaker 2: dreams may get shifted out of pocket. Now, as you
[9:10] Speaker 2: were starting to grow, what started shifting and who helped
[9:14] Speaker 2: you stay online? Ash because I always call those people
[9:17] Speaker 2: and pot I had a lot of people who just
[9:19] Speaker 2: stepped to the plate with Rashan.
[9:21] Speaker 1: Are you crazy to Rashan do that? Yeah?
[9:25] Speaker 4: So I would say first and foremost, you know, I
[9:29] Speaker 4: have to I have to say my wife, right because
[9:32] Speaker 4: when I met her, you know, uh, we worked at
[9:35] Speaker 4: the bank together actually, and she was my biggest champion.
[9:39] Speaker 4: She saw a lot in me that I didn't even
[9:42] Speaker 4: really see yet. It took me a while for me
[9:44] Speaker 4: to see it right, and so she was always speaking
[9:47] Speaker 4: life to me, right. She was always telling me, you know,
[9:50] Speaker 4: like if I accepted something that was less than you know,
[9:52] Speaker 4: what what what what I what I knew or or
[9:55] Speaker 4: less than what I deserve. She would be like, nah,
[9:57] Speaker 4: you need to you need to step that up, right
[10:00] Speaker 4: and so and so, definitely my my wife was a
[10:03] Speaker 4: big part of my success.
[10:05] Speaker 3: But then also oddly enough, it was uh, people.
[10:10] Speaker 4: I never even met, right, because a lot of you know,
[10:15] Speaker 4: my neighborhood growing up, how I grew up. You know,
[10:18] Speaker 4: I didn't have access to business mentors. I didn't have
[10:21] Speaker 4: access to people that could directly mentor me. And so
[10:25] Speaker 4: a lot of part of my success was reading books.
[10:29] Speaker 4: Part of my success was watching documentaries. Part of my
[10:31] Speaker 4: success was really just just understanding that, you know, other
[10:37] Speaker 4: people have done what I want to do. They laid
[10:39] Speaker 4: the blueprint, uh, and I and I stayed motivated by always,
[10:43] Speaker 4: you know, focusing on you know, somebody's story that you
[10:47] Speaker 4: know that that said, oh wow.
[10:49] Speaker 3: This person came you know, from from from from the neighborhood.
[10:52] Speaker 4: Oh you know this person is is you know, has
[10:56] Speaker 4: non brothers and sisters.
[10:57] Speaker 3: They grew up in the inner city too, and they
[10:59] Speaker 3: and they got to means and they you know what
[11:01] Speaker 3: I'm saying.
[11:02] Speaker 4: It was those type of stories that got me that
[11:04] Speaker 4: that that really kind of allowed me to continue pushing.
[11:07] Speaker 4: So I would definitely say, you know, my you know,
[11:10] Speaker 4: my wife. I would definitely say, you know stories, uh,
[11:13] Speaker 4: you know, documentary, celebrities, business people.
[11:16] Speaker 3: You know. Reginald Lewis was a big you.
[11:18] Speaker 4: Know, uh you know, you know, a big big uh
[11:21] Speaker 4: uh success, Uh, you know, a big influence in my life.
[11:24] Speaker 4: Black Enterprise, right, Alfred Edmund, Uh you know a lot
[11:27] Speaker 4: of people who I've watched from afar. But but then eventually,
[11:31] Speaker 4: and not to get philosophical, but eventually, as you start
[11:35] Speaker 4: vibrating on the on the energy of success, you start
[11:39] Speaker 4: to now attract success, right, success attract success. And so
[11:43] Speaker 4: as I started to had to pretend and create these
[11:47] Speaker 4: mentors in my head, as I started to get successful,
[11:50] Speaker 4: I now started to to attract other successful people who
[11:54] Speaker 4: have now been my mentors directly. And so I you know,
[11:57] Speaker 4: I would say it's a combination, uh, you know of
[12:01] Speaker 4: what I read, who I tracked it, and then also
[12:03] Speaker 4: my wife.
[12:04] Speaker 1: Well, I'm speaking to Ash Cash.
[12:06] Speaker 2: He's the founder and chief financial educator and mind Right
[12:09] Speaker 2: Money Management, a financial education and media company been that
[12:13] Speaker 2: blends psychology and personal finance with music, pop culture, and
[12:17] Speaker 2: relevant news to help people manage their money.
[12:19] Speaker 1: It's the kids.
[12:19] Speaker 2: This conversation a boy managing your money but also your
[12:21] Speaker 2: lifestyle better in order to live.
[12:23] Speaker 1: The life that you want.
[12:25] Speaker 2: And that's important because so many people make mistakes when
[12:28] Speaker 2: they always say looking at the other person's yard. You know,
[12:31] Speaker 2: just because they got a roads, don't mean you have
[12:32] Speaker 2: to have a roads or your roads that big. You
[12:34] Speaker 2: can buy a small rose for a lot less money
[12:37] Speaker 2: and let it grow to that. But a lot of
[12:38] Speaker 2: people want to match up, and that's a lot of
[12:41] Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people make errors with money.
[12:42] Speaker 2: They want to match up to what they think is successful.
[12:45] Speaker 2: Like you said earlier, in a lot of their tech area,
[12:48] Speaker 2: financial area, you see very few black people people.
[12:51] Speaker 1: They look like you.
[12:52] Speaker 2: Well, that's why blacks a lot of times attracted to
[12:55] Speaker 2: sports because sports are dominated by African America. Sixty five
[12:58] Speaker 2: percent of the NFL is black, over eighty percent of
[13:00] Speaker 2: the NBA is black.
[13:02] Speaker 1: And so they oh, that's a that's they feel that's easy.
[13:05] Speaker 2: But still in anything you do as there is work,
[13:09] Speaker 2: there is competition. Let's take the blinders off the fake game.
[13:14] Speaker 2: Just because you see a lot of us don't mean
[13:16] Speaker 2: it's easy talk to us.
[13:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, all that, and I love I love I love
[13:20] Speaker 4: that you said that because I think that's that's what
[13:22] Speaker 4: happens right especially now because we have social media, and
[13:26] Speaker 4: so social.
[13:27] Speaker 3: Media is the highlight reel.
[13:29] Speaker 4: So you see the highlight reel and people say, oh,
[13:32] Speaker 4: if he could do it, then I can do it.
[13:34] Speaker 3: But people don't see the sleepless nights.
[13:36] Speaker 4: People don't see, uh, the the you know, the first
[13:38] Speaker 4: you're the first to wake up, the last to go
[13:40] Speaker 4: to bed.
[13:40] Speaker 3: You don't people don't see the grind that goes behind that.
[13:44] Speaker 4: And so I think, I think number one, that's why
[13:47] Speaker 4: when they say life is a is a journey, not
[13:50] Speaker 4: a destination, that's important for people to realize that if
[13:54] Speaker 4: if success is a place for you, then you're doing
[13:57] Speaker 4: it wrong. Success can't be a place. Can't say I'm
[14:01] Speaker 4: successful when I reach this place. That's absolutely false. You're
[14:05] Speaker 4: successful when you wake up every single day with purpose.
[14:08] Speaker 4: You're successful when you say you know what, this is
[14:10] Speaker 4: what I want. But I love the process that has
[14:13] Speaker 4: taken me to get there, because I promise you, once
[14:17] Speaker 4: you get to whatever destination is there is, there's going
[14:20] Speaker 4: to be something else. You're gonna stop. You're gonna rest
[14:22] Speaker 4: a few busts, but then you're you know, you're gonna say, oh,
[14:25] Speaker 4: I want you know this, now I desire this, and
[14:28] Speaker 4: then now there's gonna be another journey.
[14:30] Speaker 3: Right, the journey doesn't stop. And so understand that.
[14:34] Speaker 4: Don't look at somebody else's success and fall in love
[14:38] Speaker 4: with the highlight reil. Don't fall in love with you know,
[14:41] Speaker 4: the the what they're posting on social media. Find out
[14:45] Speaker 4: what is the process? What process did they take to
[14:48] Speaker 4: get to that level? And you know, what is that process?
[14:52] Speaker 4: And can you fall in love with the process. If
[14:55] Speaker 4: you cannot fall in love with the process, the success
[14:58] Speaker 4: isn't for you.
[14:59] Speaker 3: Right.
[14:59] Speaker 4: If you can't fall in love with the process of
[15:03] Speaker 4: what what what it entails to attain what you want
[15:07] Speaker 4: to attain, then you should be focused on something else
[15:09] Speaker 4: every single day. Right. My goal is to inspire and
[15:13] Speaker 4: motivate people to be the best that they could possibly be.
[15:16] Speaker 4: Whether I got to die for it or not, I
[15:19] Speaker 4: am that right in my being. I am inspiration in
[15:23] Speaker 4: my being, I am motivation. And so it doesn't feel
[15:26] Speaker 4: like work. I know people say, if you if you find,
[15:28] Speaker 4: if you find a job that you love, you'll.
[15:30] Speaker 3: Never work a day in your life.
[15:32] Speaker 4: And so when I say it doesn't feel like work,
[15:34] Speaker 4: I don't mean that there aren't times where I wake up.
[15:36] Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I'm not.
[15:39] Speaker 4: Saying that I still love it, right, love love, love,
[15:42] Speaker 4: love and tired or.
[15:43] Speaker 3: Not mutually exclusive. Right, I can still love it and
[15:46] Speaker 3: still be tired and still be dressed. Right. But just
[15:49] Speaker 3: understand though, that once I get going, I'm.
[15:51] Speaker 4: Like, this is this, this is what I'm meant to do,
[15:53] Speaker 4: this is what I love to do. And so you know,
[15:54] Speaker 4: I mean everybody to who's who's after success, just know
[15:59] Speaker 4: that it's a journey to it and make sure you
[16:01] Speaker 4: fall in love with that journey.
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[16:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny you say that, because.
[16:34] Speaker 2: I always tell people I get up at four o'clock
[16:35] Speaker 2: in the morning Monday through Friday. I said, I'm not
[16:37] Speaker 2: happy getting up. I said, but I know that's part
[16:40] Speaker 2: of the journey. And I always tell the share the
[16:42] Speaker 2: story of people by my wife. One time she asked
[16:44] Speaker 2: me to she has to drive me to the airport,
[16:46] Speaker 2: you know, And she said, wow, you just don't stop, dude.
[16:51] Speaker 2: I said, well, it's not, of course of me stopping.
[16:53] Speaker 2: It's decent part of my goals. And you put goals
[16:56] Speaker 2: in place, you have to reach them. And she said,
[16:58] Speaker 2: she said, do you have a get tired? And I
[17:01] Speaker 2: told her, I said, I'm tired right now, right.
[17:04] Speaker 5: You know.
[17:04] Speaker 3: And I had to tell that because I knew you
[17:06] Speaker 3: would apreciate.
[17:06] Speaker 2: What I'm saying, because look, man, look just because I'm
[17:09] Speaker 2: moving forward don't mean I don't want to lay it out,
[17:12] Speaker 2: but that's not part of the mission.
[17:13] Speaker 1: And then and I want to throw you a compliment.
[17:15] Speaker 1: I'm a big rapper.
[17:16] Speaker 2: I'm a big rapper friend, and my all time favorite
[17:19] Speaker 2: records is Tupac Tupocca. Nobody can tell me nothing wrong
[17:22] Speaker 2: about Tupac And there's nothing to do with your size,
[17:24] Speaker 2: nothing do with your color. But just listening to that,
[17:27] Speaker 2: those those I would call them lyrics that you just
[17:29] Speaker 2: laid about motivation and inspiration.
[17:32] Speaker 1: Man, if you have dropped a Biggie Small beat underneath you.
[17:36] Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I just took off. I took off.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Because it felt like I was listening to the Biggie
[17:45] Speaker 2: Small of motivational and financial expert.
[17:47] Speaker 1: But you've been dubbed like that. You've been dubbed a
[17:49] Speaker 1: financial motivator, haven't you.
[17:51] Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, I've been.
[17:53] Speaker 4: And you know, you know the funny thing about that
[17:55] Speaker 4: is because you know, like I said, I am fighting,
[17:57] Speaker 4: I am motivation, and so you know, when I teach,
[18:01] Speaker 4: and that's what makes me different. Right, when I teach finance,
[18:04] Speaker 4: I'm not teaching I mean, finance could be boring, right,
[18:07] Speaker 4: So I'm not teaching it from a perspective of you know,
[18:11] Speaker 4: you know one plus one equals two. Number one is
[18:13] Speaker 4: the mindset, right, And that's why my company is called
[18:15] Speaker 4: mind Right Money Management, because you have to have your
[18:17] Speaker 4: mind right before you get your money right.
[18:20] Speaker 3: But then, you know, I just believe that this. I
[18:23] Speaker 3: believe that.
[18:24] Speaker 4: Every single day that you wake up, it's a blessing.
[18:28] Speaker 3: Everything else is.
[18:29] Speaker 4: A bonus, right, And so with that level of excitement,
[18:33] Speaker 4: I need people to be excited. I want you to
[18:35] Speaker 4: be excited with the opportunity to earn. I want you
[18:38] Speaker 4: to be excited that you need to have an opportunity
[18:41] Speaker 4: to fulfill your dream. Don't only be excited because your
[18:44] Speaker 4: dream is fulfilled. Be excited that you have the opportunity.
[18:47] Speaker 4: There are one hundred and fifty thousand people that die
[18:51] Speaker 4: every single day who wish they had the opportunity that
[18:54] Speaker 4: you have. And so I just wake up inspired and
[18:58] Speaker 4: motivated and thankful to God that I have another opportunity
[19:02] Speaker 4: to talk to people.
[19:03] Speaker 3: And so you know, you know, I don't drink coffee.
[19:06] Speaker 4: So this energy that you get right now, this is
[19:09] Speaker 4: this is this is nothing but water.
[19:10] Speaker 3: This is h two. Oh. I don't drink coffee. But
[19:13] Speaker 3: it's just an excitement.
[19:14] Speaker 4: And that's why they call me the financial motivator because
[19:16] Speaker 4: you know, I have a special way of using that
[19:20] Speaker 4: excitement for life to teach you about finance. Because I
[19:23] Speaker 4: also believe that abundance is our birth right, and so
[19:26] Speaker 4: it's not something that we should be begging for. It
[19:30] Speaker 4: isn't something that we should be compromising ourselves for. It
[19:33] Speaker 4: is our actual birth right. And the more you can
[19:37] Speaker 4: get to the money, the more you can get to
[19:39] Speaker 4: your to the money, the more you can get.
[19:41] Speaker 3: To the purpose.
[19:41] Speaker 4: Right, So when you start leading with purpose and you
[19:44] Speaker 4: start doing and being who you are every single day,
[19:48] Speaker 4: that is what's going to allow you to command the
[19:51] Speaker 4: income that you want to command. And the more income, right,
[19:55] Speaker 4: I know Biggie said, more money, more problems, But the
[19:57] Speaker 4: more income the more impact.
[20:00] Speaker 3: Right, More income, more impact. And so that's what it's about.
[20:03] Speaker 4: It's about having motivating people to get to the bag, right,
[20:06] Speaker 4: motivating people to get to that financial abundance that's their birthright,
[20:10] Speaker 4: so that way.
[20:11] Speaker 3: They can have more impact. Right.
[20:13] Speaker 4: I've been broke before, right, I've had I've been at
[20:16] Speaker 4: spaces where I'm counting and figuring out how my pay bills.
[20:19] Speaker 4: I'm not my one hundred percent self, right, I'm not
[20:22] Speaker 4: giving you all of ash cash if I'm trying to
[20:25] Speaker 4: figure out how I'm a rob Peter to pay Paul.
[20:27] Speaker 4: But but I promise you when I when I, when
[20:30] Speaker 4: I'm in my purpose and the income is matching the impact,
[20:33] Speaker 4: I get the impact more. And so it's that motivation
[20:36] Speaker 4: piece is very, very necessary.
[20:38] Speaker 1: And it's very so. By the way, I don't drink
[20:40] Speaker 1: call for either. I don't drink tea, I don't drink
[20:43] Speaker 1: I call it no because I just don't like the taste.
[20:45] Speaker 2: If people do it, I'm proud of and so so
[20:48] Speaker 2: because again is my I get up because my body
[20:51] Speaker 2: tell me and get up. But I always tell people
[20:53] Speaker 2: this the reason I get up because I have a
[20:55] Speaker 2: reason to get up a lot of people just go
[20:57] Speaker 2: to bed ash. They just dive in bed and and
[21:00] Speaker 2: then when the alarm go off, they mad or they don't know.
[21:03] Speaker 2: But when that alarm go off, what drags me out
[21:06] Speaker 2: of bed is that I know what I have to do,
[21:08] Speaker 2: and it's by planning for success and about putting forth
[21:11] Speaker 2: that effort. And so when you, like you said with
[21:13] Speaker 2: Bigger said more money, more problems, all he's saying is, look,
[21:17] Speaker 2: you can get more money, which means that you're gonna
[21:19] Speaker 2: have to put more effort on what you're gonna do
[21:20] Speaker 2: with it. And that's what this conversation that we're having
[21:23] Speaker 2: is by effort. Everybody wants to be a great athlete,
[21:26] Speaker 2: everybody wants to be a great singer. Everybody wants to
[21:29] Speaker 2: be rich. Everybody wants a big house. Taxes come with that,
[21:33] Speaker 2: electrical bills, come with.
[21:34] Speaker 1: That, gas bill, all of its much more.
[21:36] Speaker 3: You know.
[21:37] Speaker 2: I remember when I was reading John salad. When he
[21:39] Speaker 2: had his house, he bought the big house in Detroit.
[21:41] Speaker 2: He said he had like a seventeen thousand dollars electric billy.
[21:45] Speaker 1: Guess what.
[21:46] Speaker 2: He bought a big house that who came with it?
[21:48] Speaker 2: He kept the lights on. He all those bedrooms have
[21:51] Speaker 2: to be all the tall, all that stuff come with it.
[21:53] Speaker 2: And that's what more money, more problem. As a motivator,
[21:57] Speaker 2: what do you what do you tell people who get
[21:59] Speaker 2: frustrated when the dream isn't what they thought it would
[22:02] Speaker 2: be when they arrived.
[22:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think that. So the first thing
[22:07] Speaker 4: I tell them, uh, is be grateful. Be grateful that
[22:11] Speaker 4: you know that this is this isn't what you want. Yes, right,
[22:14] Speaker 4: It is as important to know what you don't want
[22:18] Speaker 4: as it is to know what you do want, right,
[22:20] Speaker 4: because knowing what you don't want will get you to
[22:22] Speaker 4: what you want faster. There are many things that I
[22:25] Speaker 4: thought I wanted. I was like, oh this is Oh,
[22:27] Speaker 4: this is it. I'm gonna put my blood, sweat in tears.
[22:30] Speaker 4: And then I get to this destination and I'm like, oh,
[22:32] Speaker 4: that's it. But now it kind of it kind of
[22:36] Speaker 4: weeds out all of the all of the all of
[22:38] Speaker 4: the things, and so I don't I don't you know,
[22:40] Speaker 4: I don't think it's a loss.
[22:42] Speaker 5: Right.
[22:42] Speaker 4: A loss isn't a loss, it's a lesson, right, And
[22:45] Speaker 4: so it's not a loss, it's really a lesson. And
[22:47] Speaker 4: so for those who get frustrated, I think I think
[22:49] Speaker 4: frustration is a great tool if you use it right, right,
[22:54] Speaker 4: Because some people use frustration as a way to stop.
[22:58] Speaker 4: Some people use frustration as a way to get up.
[23:00] Speaker 4: Some people use frustration to say, you know what, I'm
[23:02] Speaker 4: not doing this no more. But you need to know
[23:04] Speaker 4: you have to use frustration as a barometer, right, I'll
[23:07] Speaker 4: give I'll give you an example. If you ever are
[23:11] Speaker 4: driving late night on any any highway right, and for
[23:15] Speaker 4: whatever reasons, you get tired and you start veering left,
[23:18] Speaker 4: what's gonna happen. You're gonna you're gonna run across those
[23:21] Speaker 4: ridgids in the road.
[23:22] Speaker 1: It's gonna wake you up.
[23:24] Speaker 3: It's gonna make that noise, it's gonna wake you up.
[23:26] Speaker 3: Imagine if the ridges weren't there, the ridges.
[23:28] Speaker 4: Weren't there, you'll probably hit the divider, You'll you'll swirl around,
[23:32] Speaker 4: your cause a bad accident. And so those ridges on
[23:36] Speaker 4: the side when you get tired and you start you
[23:38] Speaker 4: start veering left or beering right. It's a it's a
[23:40] Speaker 4: it's a wake up call. It's like, yo, wake up
[23:42] Speaker 4: about you gotta get up, You're about to crash.
[23:46] Speaker 3: Frustration is that negative negativity, right, negative feelings. It's that,
[23:50] Speaker 3: it's not it's not for you to scoff at it.
[23:53] Speaker 3: It is a It is a barometer when you start.
[23:56] Speaker 4: Doing something, you start to get frustrated and you're like,
[23:59] Speaker 4: I hate this, then just don't stop.
[24:01] Speaker 3: Just take it as a sign that you need to regroup.
[24:04] Speaker 4: That the negativity, that negative feeling that you have is
[24:08] Speaker 4: telling you that you are on the wrong track. And
[24:12] Speaker 4: now you got to figure out how do I how
[24:14] Speaker 4: do I go back to the middle, How do I
[24:16] Speaker 4: go back to this road?
[24:18] Speaker 3: So I could go in the direction I need to go.
[24:20] Speaker 4: And so anybody who's feeling frustration, good, good that you're frustrated.
[24:24] Speaker 4: You either care about this thing or you're not supposed
[24:27] Speaker 4: to be doing it. So now take a step back,
[24:29] Speaker 4: analyze why are you frustrating? How can you release this frustration?
[24:33] Speaker 4: And what should you be doing?
[24:35] Speaker 3: Because now that you know what you don't want to
[24:38] Speaker 3: do or don't like to do, what are the things
[24:39] Speaker 3: that you should be doing?
[24:41] Speaker 2: Thank you for that, But the other ways you're promoting yourself,
[24:43] Speaker 2: you have to ask cast show or daily live financial
[24:45] Speaker 2: news show which streams money through Friday eight am to
[24:48] Speaker 2: nine am Eastern Standard time, and it provides what we
[24:51] Speaker 2: just hear it motivation and advice on finance, entrepreneurship and more.
[24:55] Speaker 2: And then I've appeared on the Vault with ass Cash
[24:58] Speaker 2: where he speaks for successful tastes, makers and entrepreneurs on
[25:01] Speaker 2: their mindset. When you started tapping into my mindset?
[25:05] Speaker 1: What was your walk away?
[25:06] Speaker 3: Yeah? Ah man, So so it was first of all,
[25:09] Speaker 3: it was a classic.
[25:09] Speaker 4: It was an honor to even just be in your
[25:12] Speaker 4: presence because you know, as I said on the show,
[25:14] Speaker 4: there was so there was so much.
[25:17] Speaker 3: I'm always the behind the scenes guy, right, what's making this?
[25:20] Speaker 3: What's making this tick?
[25:22] Speaker 4: But when I started tapping into your mindset, the one
[25:24] Speaker 4: thing that that stood out to me is that it
[25:28] Speaker 4: it was your resilience, right, was your ability to not
[25:32] Speaker 4: allow nothing, honestly, right, nothing.
[25:35] Speaker 3: To stop you.
[25:36] Speaker 4: That you set a goal, right, and you see the
[25:39] Speaker 4: vision for that goal, and you go after that goal regardless, right,
[25:42] Speaker 4: even when there are obstacles because you've had a lot
[25:46] Speaker 4: of obstacles in your life.
[25:47] Speaker 3: There were things that the normal person.
[25:50] Speaker 4: Right, and I'm using normal as a you know, just
[25:53] Speaker 4: as a word, right, the normal person would have given up,
[25:57] Speaker 4: given the the obstacles, given the things that that had
[26:00] Speaker 4: happened in your life. But but but the but but
[26:03] Speaker 4: your mindset, you know, I don't even think you understand
[26:06] Speaker 4: what giving up means, to be honest, right, because there
[26:09] Speaker 4: were even moments in our interview that you said something
[26:13] Speaker 4: that that the normal persons would have been more emotionally
[26:17] Speaker 4: attached to it, like oh.
[26:18] Speaker 3: This happened, right, But but you was like, oh yeah, yeah,
[26:21] Speaker 3: it was just that, you know, and I was like,
[26:23] Speaker 3: whoa like again?
[26:25] Speaker 4: So so I think I think I think that mindset
[26:27] Speaker 4: of you know, you know, you know, resiliency, that I
[26:32] Speaker 4: know that the goal is this, and I know on
[26:35] Speaker 4: my way to that goal, they're gonna be some some obstacles.
[26:39] Speaker 4: They're gonna be some roadblocks, they're gonna be some detoys,
[26:41] Speaker 4: they're gonna be some things. But that's not gonna stop me.
[26:44] Speaker 4: That's actually right, Like failure is actually part of success.
[26:47] Speaker 4: That's why I got that that that that the failures,
[26:50] Speaker 4: the roadblocks, the the things that you might stumble on
[26:53] Speaker 4: are part of your role to success or.
[26:55] Speaker 3: Resiliency is that word that I would definitely attribute to you.
[26:59] Speaker 1: Well, thank you. You know the beauty of you is that.
[27:03] Speaker 2: My blessing is that meeting people who make me better
[27:08] Speaker 2: and being interviewed by you, sitting around your crew. I
[27:11] Speaker 2: walked away a better person, a better leader, a motivation
[27:15] Speaker 2: because sometimes you get trapped into rhythms. And that's why
[27:18] Speaker 2: I always tell people to experience. That's why people tell
[27:20] Speaker 2: you to go on vacation, so go to different destinations
[27:23] Speaker 2: so you can see things.
[27:24] Speaker 1: And then either.
[27:25] Speaker 2: Frustrate you, which I love that because I love two
[27:27] Speaker 2: words that you starked double one word you say, frustration
[27:30] Speaker 2: that people don't understand the value of that. Selfishness. On
[27:33] Speaker 2: my side, people don't understand the value of that because
[27:35] Speaker 2: they take it negative. They do two negative words frustration
[27:38] Speaker 2: and selfishness, where really those are the keys to you
[27:41] Speaker 2: success because you selfishness is denying yourself and taking advantage
[27:46] Speaker 2: of every hour in or twenty four hours. That's selfishness.
[27:49] Speaker 2: Say man, look if I got to get it done,
[27:51] Speaker 2: I gotta get it done. That's overcoming and the frustration
[27:54] Speaker 2: that most people say, I can't get it done because
[27:56] Speaker 2: I don't.
[27:57] Speaker 1: Have enough time. I've never understood what that meant, not
[28:00] Speaker 1: enough time? Are you awake? Do you have your help?
[28:02] Speaker 1: God bless you to get up? You have enough time?
[28:05] Speaker 1: Set some goals and what we did done.
[28:07] Speaker 2: But the number one thing about it, and that's why
[28:08] Speaker 2: I'm recommending people to you know, just see your your
[28:12] Speaker 2: show The Strange Money through Friday eight am to nine
[28:14] Speaker 2: nine Easter Standard time. You're NonStop. And my complimented about
[28:18] Speaker 2: you and being the Biggie Smalls of financial motivation was
[28:22] Speaker 2: as as ultimate compliment as I can get because you
[28:24] Speaker 2: you got the lyrics, and the lyrics is financial literacy.
[28:28] Speaker 2: And if somebody is speaking it or they say coming
[28:30] Speaker 2: off the dome, as you are in financial literacy.
[28:33] Speaker 1: Take that crowd, baby, where to the right? Like Bigger
[28:36] Speaker 1: had it?
[28:38] Speaker 3: Absolutely I appreciate that of his life.
[28:40] Speaker 2: So what's the future for you? Let's let's wrap it up.
[28:42] Speaker 2: Let's talk about what's your what's your future next step goals?
[28:45] Speaker 3: I mean, I mean the the future.
[28:47] Speaker 4: The future was un Emmy Award talk show, but now
[28:52] Speaker 4: the future is egot.
[28:53] Speaker 1: If you know you know.
[28:57] Speaker 3: Emmy.
[28:57] Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Tony, the future is a Grammy.
[29:03] Speaker 3: The future is an Oscar. The future is a Tony
[29:06] Speaker 3: and you know courtesy of Rashaul McDonald. Uh so I
[29:09] Speaker 3: received that.
[29:11] Speaker 4: But you know, the future is really for me just
[29:15] Speaker 4: continuing to do what I do every single day, but
[29:18] Speaker 4: just on a higher level, right, And so that that's
[29:20] Speaker 4: the beauty of you know what I do. I'm writing
[29:23] Speaker 4: more books, you know, I have a daily Financi show.
[29:26] Speaker 4: I have Inside the Vault with Ash Cash, which is
[29:29] Speaker 4: a podcast. You know, the goal is it just it's
[29:32] Speaker 4: just to continue, uh and reach more people. And so
[29:35] Speaker 4: you know I might I might have a reach of
[29:36] Speaker 4: one hundred thousand or a million people, but how do
[29:39] Speaker 4: I have how do I get that reach of millions?
[29:42] Speaker 5: Yes?
[29:42] Speaker 4: Yes, so it's just to continue to do the same
[29:45] Speaker 4: thing that I'm doing, but on a on a larger scale.
[29:47] Speaker 2: Well, you know, I remember a couple of years ago
[29:49] Speaker 2: a guy came in with an interviewing me. He said, Man,
[29:51] Speaker 2: you're gonna feel stadiums. He said, you what you say
[29:56] Speaker 2: You're going to field stadiums, And let me tell you
[29:58] Speaker 2: is ash When I feel that stadium, You're.
[30:00] Speaker 1: Gonna be on stage with me. Brother, That's how much
[30:02] Speaker 1: I respect you.
[30:03] Speaker 2: Uh you know, I see you as a younger version
[30:07] Speaker 2: of me with different goals that that are working for you,
[30:10] Speaker 2: and I want them to be different from mine. But
[30:12] Speaker 2: more importantly, I want to share you in any platform
[30:15] Speaker 2: that somebody says, who do you want else?
[30:17] Speaker 1: On the show? I understand you're gonna get a call
[30:19] Speaker 1: for me, Ash because man, you you You're a beach
[30:22] Speaker 1: stude and I love you for that. I love your team.
[30:25] Speaker 2: I love what you're doing, man, And if you ever
[30:27] Speaker 2: need me for anything, I always know I'm coming without hesitation.
[30:32] Speaker 4: That means that means a lot because you because you
[30:35] Speaker 4: you you were on.
[30:37] Speaker 3: The mentorship list as well, so you were with somebody
[30:40] Speaker 3: that was a mentor to me.
[30:41] Speaker 4: You know, I think I told you this, but uh
[30:43] Speaker 4: you know when when when back into Steve Harvey w
[30:46] Speaker 4: b l S days, Like when when any time I
[30:48] Speaker 4: went in that building for Sean McDonald was the name
[30:51] Speaker 4: it wrung bells in that building.
[30:53] Speaker 3: And I was like, who is this for? Sean McDonald guy?
[30:56] Speaker 3: And when I looked you up, I said, Oh, he's
[30:58] Speaker 3: the guy.
[31:00] Speaker 4: And just from a manifestation perspective, right, just like thoughts
[31:03] Speaker 4: become things because you.
[31:05] Speaker 3: Know, now you've been on my show, I'm on your show.
[31:09] Speaker 4: You know what you've just you know, the help that
[31:12] Speaker 4: you've just offered up, that's literally you know you were
[31:16] Speaker 4: once a mentor to me that I that I didn't
[31:19] Speaker 4: have access to. And now I'm vibrating. I'm in an
[31:22] Speaker 4: energetic alignment with Rashan McDonald and now you know I
[31:25] Speaker 4: can have you as a real mentor.
[31:27] Speaker 2: Absolutely, Ashkashwar, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation,
[31:31] Speaker 2: my man, Thank you.
[31:33] Speaker 3: Thank you brother. I appreciate you.
[31:34] Speaker 1: Cool.
[31:35] Speaker 2: This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass
[31:38] Speaker 2: posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests
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