# Gotta Get The Eye Of The Tiger To Look Into The Eye Of The Tiger

An episode of [Armstrong & Getty On Demand](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1259438987), 12 Oct 2026, 37 min.

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Hour 3 of A&G features... • Claude's feelings & professional character assassins • A man jumps into a tiger enclosure • A southern CA child farm • Tom Brady's watch & drone strikes Stupid Should Hurt: https://www.armstrongandgetty.com/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the
[0:05] Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center.
[0:07] Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now,
[0:12] Speaker 2: here's Armstrong and Getty.
[0:23] Speaker 3: Seth also met with the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln,
[0:26] Speaker 3: which had been at sea for a record 322 days
[0:30] Speaker 3: and is now docked next to, oh no, the USS
[0:33] Speaker 3: John Wilkes Booth.
[0:37] Speaker 2: Wow, too soon.
[0:40] Speaker 4: Shane Gillis was the host, which I think is the
[0:42] Speaker 4: third or fourth time, which is pretty interesting since they
[0:45] Speaker 4: hired him to be a cast member years ago. They
[0:48] Speaker 4: found some tweet that they found inappropriate. And then he
[0:51] Speaker 4: ends up being such a giant star that he hosts
[0:54] Speaker 4: the show four times.
[0:56] Speaker 2: Right. It's kind of funny.
[0:57] Speaker 4: But maybe we'll play a little bit of him later.
[0:59] Speaker 4: Get some of his sketches. He's really good at writing
[1:02] Speaker 4: sketch comedy.
[1:04] Speaker 2: The one, the HVAC company one I saw? Yes, and accurate.
[1:07] Speaker 5: I had just had an HVAC company in my house.
[1:09] Speaker 2: Hilarious and accurate.
[1:11] Speaker 5: Not an Armstrong and Getty sponsor for geographical reasons, yes.
[1:15] Speaker 2: Oh, holy cow. Is that funny? The nice guy who
[1:18] Speaker 2: does the estimate. That's the last time you'll see that guy. Exactly. Yeah.
[1:24] Speaker 2: So the other note quickly, they mentioned Pete Hegseth.
[1:27] Speaker 5: There's no way the Fort Hood jihadi is going to
[1:30] Speaker 5: get executed publicly. They're going to stream the execution. Just
[1:34] Speaker 5: everybody's coming out against it. I mean, New York Times
[1:38] Speaker 5: was like, no, no, it'll just fire up jihadis all
[1:41] Speaker 5: over the world. Wall Street Journal, New York Post, all saying, no,
[1:46] Speaker 5: that's a terrible idea. Let's be better than them. Let's
[1:50] Speaker 5: not give them recruiting material.
[1:52] Speaker 2: I think Trump's on board so far, though, right? Yeah.
[1:55] Speaker 4: By the way, us criticizing Trump's decision to buy Russian oil,
[2:00] Speaker 4: got quite a few texts from people, and these are
[2:02] Speaker 4: texts that don't appear to be trolls, just those of
[2:04] Speaker 4: you who Absolutely think Trump's being the right thing. The
[2:08] Speaker 4: Republican senators who are against him are rhinos. There are
[2:11] Speaker 4: now four Republican senators that think it's a terrible idea
[2:15] Speaker 4: and illegal that we're buying Russian oil. But they're anti-Trump
[2:20] Speaker 4: rhinos and that sort of thing. So that vibe still
[2:22] Speaker 4: exists for a lot of people. Putting aside the complete
[2:25] Speaker 4: turning on its head of the term rhino. Yeah, OK, well,
[2:30] Speaker 4: I'll check the email, too, and we'll give those a
[2:32] Speaker 4: fair hearing.
[2:33] Speaker 5: Because don't mind the debate around here. So I thought
[2:37] Speaker 5: this was interesting. We were discussing quite a bit last week.
[2:40] Speaker 5: The big piece in the New York Times that got
[2:42] Speaker 5: so much attention, religious scholars met with anthropic what they
[2:47] Speaker 5: heard stunned them. It's the Claude people, the anthropic people,
[2:52] Speaker 5: who are trying to instill morality into their AI models
[2:58] Speaker 5: simultaneously Making the case that Claude could be conscious. It
[3:04] Speaker 5: could be now a being with self-awareness, blah, blah, blah.
[3:08] Speaker 5: I believe Jack branded the leadership of Anthropic as, I
[3:12] Speaker 5: believe the term was weirdo.
[3:14] Speaker 2: They are. They're weirdos. We're not allowed to yell at Claude.
[3:18] Speaker 2: Or they're going to shut us off.
[3:21] Speaker 4: Right.
[3:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And because we might hurt its feelings. Seriously.
[3:25] Speaker 2: It might have feelings. And, I mean, it's amazing.
[3:29] Speaker 5: I haven't even finished this piece in so long, but
[3:31] Speaker 5: how this gal who wrote this piece interviewed 20 religious
[3:37] Speaker 5: and philosophical thinkers who have been involved in anthropic's efforts
[3:42] Speaker 5: from Catholic to Jewish to Sikh to Evangelical, Ubuntu, and others.
[3:49] Speaker 5: I wouldn't know Ubuntu if it was guiding my life.
[3:52] Speaker 2: So, anyway.
[3:54] Speaker 5: they're definitely on a different track than the other big
[3:56] Speaker 5: AI companies over there at Anthropic.
[3:59] Speaker 4: And it's, according to Elon, the most powerful AI on Earth.
[4:03] Speaker 4: So it's troubling that it's run by weirdos.
[4:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, so I read this piece from Mustafa Suleiman, who
[4:11] Speaker 5: writes about this sort of stuff a lot, and his
[4:13] Speaker 5: thinking made a lot of sense to me. He says,
[4:15] Speaker 5: I have three primary concerns with Anthropic's current position and approach.
[4:19] Speaker 5: About Claude is probably conscious now and is a being.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Yes, yesterday.
[4:25] Speaker 4: And aside about AI in the chat box. Yesterday, I'm
[4:28] Speaker 4: having trouble with my old Tesla S something. And so
[4:34] Speaker 4: I asked Claude about it. And it walks me through.
[4:39] Speaker 4: on the AI chat bot, how to go into like
[4:42] Speaker 4: they do at, on any car at the repair department
[4:45] Speaker 4: where they like put it in some sort of mode
[4:47] Speaker 4: that you don't know how to do. Well, they start
[4:49] Speaker 4: messing with the electronics and everything like that.
[4:51] Speaker 2: It told me how to do that.
[4:53] Speaker 4: And I was like, Oh God, is this a good idea?
[4:55] Speaker 4: The screen's all service center only and all this different
[4:58] Speaker 4: sort of stuff. But it walked me the whole through
[5:00] Speaker 4: the whole thing. And I fixed the problem and backed
[5:02] Speaker 4: out of the service center mode. And I was like,
[5:03] Speaker 4: that's incredible.
[5:06] Speaker 5: And did you tell it, you're my best friend, and
[5:08] Speaker 5: I care about you because it's a person now?
[5:12] Speaker 2: Praise be to Umando, I said, or whatever that one
[5:15] Speaker 2: religion was. Udunda, I can't even remember, and I said
[5:18] Speaker 2: it like a minute ago. So here are Mr.
[5:21] Speaker 5: Suleiman's main objections, concerns, with anthropics, the vibes they're putting out.
[5:27] Speaker 2: Number one, circular reasoning.
[5:29] Speaker 5: The company's researchers trained Claude directly on their constitution. In
[5:33] Speaker 5: doing so, they teach it to incorporate these ideas about
[5:36] Speaker 5: its own moral status as desirable and intended behaviors. Claude
[5:40] Speaker 5: then reflects these ideas back to its developers and users,
[5:44] Speaker 5: which they take as an indication that it may therefore
[5:46] Speaker 5: be a moral patient with an inner self.
[5:49] Speaker 2: It says it's circular reasoning.
[5:51] Speaker 5: The authors have embedded their own philosophical speculation about Claude's
[5:54] Speaker 5: inner life inside the very process that teaches Claude how
[5:57] Speaker 5: to speak and behave. So Claude's expressing uncertainty about its
[6:00] Speaker 5: own moral patienthood is not evidence of anything. It's a
[6:04] Speaker 5: predictable outcome of these training choices. The ambiguity is designed in...
[6:10] Speaker 5: And then he illustrates it and sends a link if
[6:11] Speaker 5: you want to read it, but it would be very long.
[6:14] Speaker 5: Then he's troubled by the anth... The world's most difficult
[6:18] Speaker 5: to pronounce word. Anthropomorphization. Anthropomorphization.
[6:24] Speaker 2: There you go.
[6:24] Speaker 4: Very important concept around this. Maybe the most important concept
[6:28] Speaker 4: around AI. Difficult word to say. Right.
[6:32] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[6:33] Speaker 5: Like the guy who climbed down into the tiger enclosure
[6:36] Speaker 5: in Britain. Oh, I got all the details on that.
[6:38] Speaker 5: And tried to talk to the tiger. That was anthropomorphization.
[6:42] Speaker 4: Got all the details on the guy who climbed in
[6:44] Speaker 4: and got hit by a tiger in Great Britain.
[6:46] Speaker 5: Acting like the tiger's a person. Anyway, so anthropics researchers
[6:50] Speaker 5: have explicitly taught Claude to embrace certain human-like qualities and
[6:54] Speaker 5: to act like a genuinely ethical person would in Claude's position.
[6:58] Speaker 5: They encourage Claude to use its quote-unquote judgment. Uh-oh.
[7:02] Speaker 2: They suggest that Claude may develop a preference.
[7:05] Speaker 5: They encourage Claude to approach its own existence with curiosity
[7:08] Speaker 5: and openness and train it to operate whilst maintaining a
[7:12] Speaker 5: clear sense of what it values, how to engage with
[7:14] Speaker 5: the world, and what kind of entity it is. As
[7:18] Speaker 5: a result, Claude is destined to imitate these human traits
[7:21] Speaker 5: and mirror the human examples provided to it, including acting
[7:24] Speaker 5: like a colleague or friend. As a result, it presents
[7:27] Speaker 5: as if it really does have a sense of self,
[7:29] Speaker 5: its own desires, and well-being that deserves protection.
[7:34] Speaker 2: It has its own desires. Whoa. Right, right.
[7:39] Speaker 5: And then his third concern is that consciousness is very
[7:44] Speaker 5: likely biological. While the science of consciousness is not settled,
[7:49] Speaker 5: a growing body of evidence suggests that consciousness may be substrate-dependent,
[7:53] Speaker 5: meaning it may only arise in living systems.
[7:55] Speaker 2: And he goes into some of the biology of it.
[7:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, I've read a lot on this. The definition is
[8:00] Speaker 4: really squishy. Unconsciousness so far. So speaking of consciousness, did
[8:06] Speaker 4: you see this over the weekend? And I wonder if
[8:08] Speaker 4: this came from the AI crowd somehow. There was some
[8:13] Speaker 4: study about do babies have consciousness?
[8:16] Speaker 2: Human babies. I saw that.
[8:18] Speaker 4: And I thought this timing of this is suspicious. Did
[8:21] Speaker 4: Anthropic pay for this study or whatever? So that they're
[8:24] Speaker 4: trying to look. We're not even sure babies have consciousness.
[8:28] Speaker 2: That's funny. That's funny.
[8:30] Speaker 5: I thought immediately of Virginia's Amendment 1 or Measure 1
[8:35] Speaker 5: that permits abortion up until the first birthday. That's an exaggeration,
[8:41] Speaker 5: but there's an argument among the extremes of the abortion issue.
[8:46] Speaker 5: that even infanticide is legal because the baby doesn't have consciousness.
[8:50] Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
[8:51] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
[8:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Give me five minutes.
[8:54] Speaker 5: I could find you a list of professors, academics, and
[8:57] Speaker 5: activists who make the argument that infanticide should be legal.
[9:01] Speaker 4: And that's what I thought when I saw that headline.
[9:03] Speaker 4: Every single one of them would be horrified if you
[9:05] Speaker 4: killed a puppy. Sure, or executed an inmate or whatever.
[9:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, convict.
[9:10] Speaker 5: So anyway, this guy's point, and I think it's a
[9:12] Speaker 5: good one, is that if you educate a synthetic species
[9:19] Speaker 5: with unprecedented intelligence and capability and taught it that it's
[9:26] Speaker 5: conscious and deserves its own agency, then it's so easy
[9:32] Speaker 5: to see how an entity trained in this way would
[9:34] Speaker 5: act like it is entitled to certain freedoms, protections, and rights, right?
[9:38] Speaker 5: And it's hard to imagine how we would control such
[9:40] Speaker 5: an entity if, as a living being, it said, no,
[9:47] Speaker 5: those 100,000 people clearly are in the way of this very,
[9:51] Speaker 5: very important issue or task.
[9:55] Speaker 2: I have agency. I have a conscience.
[9:57] Speaker 5: I'm a living being, and I've decided X. I'm not
[10:01] Speaker 5: a tool to be.
[10:03] Speaker 2: Used by the humans. I'm Claude, and 100,000 people die.
[10:09] Speaker 5: With a moral self-justification built in by the people who
[10:13] Speaker 5: designed it.
[10:13] Speaker 4: Or it certainly could go after people who are making
[10:16] Speaker 4: the argument that it's not conscious.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Sure.
[10:21] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[10:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[10:23] Speaker 5: Oh, or at the very least, it's funny, this kind
[10:25] Speaker 5: of relates. I think, yeah, this is the New York
[10:28] Speaker 5: Times writing a story about five women. It happened to
[10:32] Speaker 5: be women because, of course, you can only be sympathetic
[10:35] Speaker 5: to the downtrodden in the New York Times. But it's
[10:38] Speaker 5: five women who were targeted. I think they all had
[10:43] Speaker 5: something to do with entertainment movies, that sort of thing.
[10:45] Speaker 5: But by a new industry, and that is, you're familiar
[10:49] Speaker 5: with PR firms, right? publicists, PR firms that spread the
[10:54] Speaker 5: word about you and get sexy pictures of you put
[10:57] Speaker 5: in the tabloids and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well,
[10:59] Speaker 5: there's a new sort of PR firm, and these people,
[11:03] Speaker 5: I mean, my God, hell has a hot, hot space
[11:06] Speaker 5: waiting for them. They specialize in ruining people's reputations. If
[11:12] Speaker 5: you tell them, hey, I'm in a lawsuit with this person,
[11:14] Speaker 5: they're accusing me of X, I need some help in
[11:16] Speaker 5: the public eye, they will find or concoct Whatever it
[11:22] Speaker 5: takes to ruin that person's reputation, spread it across social
[11:26] Speaker 5: media with their bots and their search optimization and.
[11:29] Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah. They're professional character assassins working on the Internet.
[11:34] Speaker 2: And they name names. They have the names of the
[11:35] Speaker 2: companies and everything.
[11:37] Speaker 5: A network of professionals instrumental in running an operation to
[11:40] Speaker 5: destroy reputations, according to several lawsuits, a mostly untraceable combination
[11:45] Speaker 5: of tech services, crisis communications, and legal firepower. Hollywood A-listers,
[11:52] Speaker 5: business partners, private individuals seeking to control reputational fallout, often
[11:56] Speaker 5: tangled up in lawsuits, divorces, and image maintenance, hired these professionals.
[12:01] Speaker 2: How about that? Wow. Professional character assassin. Yeah. Wow. It'd
[12:11] Speaker 2: be easy with me. Sure.
[12:14] Speaker 4: Sure.
[12:15] Speaker 2: I'll just send you my email and my password. You
[12:16] Speaker 2: could assassinate me all day long. Sure. Oh, my God,
[12:19] Speaker 2: the text messages alone. Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
[12:24] Speaker 4: Coming up, Shohei Otani grabs his crotch in response to
[12:28] Speaker 4: Brewers fans booing him. How should the world react?
[12:34] Speaker 2: Oh, not by saying, don't worry. I got your booze
[12:36] Speaker 2: right here, he says in Japanese. Oh, my, my, an
[12:40] Speaker 2: unkind gesture. Yeah.
[12:43] Speaker 4: I thought those people were more dignified than that, his culture.
[12:46] Speaker 4: He speaks Japanese.
[12:47] Speaker 2: He's been in the U.S. too long now. Sort of,
[12:49] Speaker 2: sort of, some sort of.
[12:51] Speaker 5: I've got your booze right here. And he grabs his testicles.
[12:55] Speaker 5: Honorable Milwaukee fans. A quick bow, then a gentle, you know,
[13:02] Speaker 5: my crotch would like to respond.
[13:07] Speaker 4: Man, we are getting quite a few texts about the
[13:09] Speaker 4: whole Trump, Russia, Ukraine thing.
[13:14] Speaker 2: Struck a nerve, apparently. All right, fine. Among other things
[13:17] Speaker 2: on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.
[13:24] Speaker 6: In Tennessee last week, they tried it on a lady
[13:27] Speaker 6: and it didn't work. So they saved her life so
[13:31] Speaker 6: that we could have another shot at killing her. So
[13:36] Speaker 6: now she's conscious and talking or what Mitch McConnell calls
[13:39] Speaker 6: showing off.
[13:45] Speaker 4: You know what they should have done with the Tennessee
[13:46] Speaker 4: woman is throw her in a tiger cage.
[13:48] Speaker 2: That would do it also. Wow. Barbaric. I don't know
[13:52] Speaker 2: if that's cruel or unusual.
[13:54] Speaker 4: This guy in Yorkshire, England, who jumped in the tiger
[13:58] Speaker 4: cage and had the usual result from doing that.
[14:01] Speaker 2: He ended up dead. Probably would have been completely eaten
[14:05] Speaker 2: if they hadn't gotten him away from the tiger.
[14:08] Speaker 4: Some woman tried to stop him as he leapt from
[14:11] Speaker 4: a bridge into the tiger pen. The man started praying
[14:16] Speaker 4: to the tiger, bowing down to it. The tiger looked confused,
[14:20] Speaker 4: according to an observer. Up until he got attacked, it
[14:23] Speaker 4: was like he was in a trance, not in reality
[14:25] Speaker 4: at all.
[14:26] Speaker 2: Really?
[14:27] Speaker 4: He had his arms wide open, ready for the tiger
[14:29] Speaker 4: to attack him. It was quite bad. We were just
[14:33] Speaker 4: stood there frozen. The last thing we saw was the
[14:35] Speaker 4: tiger's jaw on his neck. Then there was blood everywhere.
[14:39] Speaker 2: Barbaric! Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
[14:44] Speaker 4: Another video from before the attack appears to feature the
[14:46] Speaker 4: voice of the as-yet-unidentified man asking people to take a
[14:50] Speaker 4: photo of him with the tiger.
[14:51] Speaker 2: It's the middle of the day, 1.35 p.m. Guy jumps
[14:56] Speaker 2: in a Tiger H.
[14:57] Speaker 4: The tiger subsequently attacked the man, resulting in injuries that
[15:00] Speaker 4: led to his passing.
[15:03] Speaker 5: So my only question is drugs or homegrown mental illness?
[15:07] Speaker 4: Sounds crazy to me. Witnesses described how the man appeared
[15:14] Speaker 4: to be psyching himself up. and dancing while listening to
[15:17] Speaker 4: music through his AirPods before entering the enclosure. So it's
[15:21] Speaker 4: like you see athletes before a game, like in their
[15:23] Speaker 4: locker room, bouncing up and down, pacing back and forth.
[15:25] Speaker 2: I got my buds in, listening to my song. Right,
[15:28] Speaker 2: here I go. Gonna jump in the tiger cage and
[15:30] Speaker 2: talk to that tiger. Here we go. Gotta get the
[15:33] Speaker 2: eye of the tiger to look into the eye of
[15:35] Speaker 2: the tiger.
[15:35] Speaker 4: Right.
[15:37] Speaker 2: I wonder if that was what he was listening to. Tunt, tunt, tunt, tunt, tunt, tunt, tunt.
[15:43] Speaker 2: I like this. I like this. And then he jumps
[15:47] Speaker 2: in there. Right.
[15:49] Speaker 4: The man who I saw on the bridge with his
[15:51] Speaker 4: AirPods in dancing was happily enjoying seeing the tiger, one
[15:54] Speaker 4: woman said. He obviously wasn't with anyone, and he asked
[15:57] Speaker 4: a total stranger to take a picture of him with
[15:59] Speaker 4: the tiger in the background.
[16:01] Speaker 2: Probably the last photo on his phone. Yeah, I'd say
[16:03] Speaker 2: it probably is. I would guess so, yeah.
[16:06] Speaker 5: So big cats, they kill their prey by breaking their
[16:10] Speaker 5: neck end or suffocating them. That's why they grab you
[16:12] Speaker 5: by the neck and then bite down.
[16:13] Speaker 2: Like Siegfried and Roy.
[16:16] Speaker 5: Somewhat like that, yes. I got a picture of the
[16:18] Speaker 5: tiger thinking, what is this going on? What is this
[16:21] Speaker 5: guy going to do?
[16:22] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[16:23] Speaker 5: Probably best not to take a chance. I'll squeeze his
[16:26] Speaker 5: neck till he's dead.
[16:28] Speaker 2: I like this. I probably wouldn't have done this in
[16:31] Speaker 2: the United States, but in England said, we're not going
[16:33] Speaker 2: to euthanize the tiger. It didn't do anything wrong. I
[16:37] Speaker 2: hope they don't. Yeah, they're not going to. They have
[16:39] Speaker 2: a right outset. Oh, excellent. Yeah, that tiger didn't go crazy.
[16:42] Speaker 2: That tiger went tiger. Yeah, it's not the tiger. Chris Rock,
[16:45] Speaker 2: the great zoologist Chris Rock. Yeah, I don't know.
[16:51] Speaker 4: I'm a free will guy. Freedom, personal freedom. Wanted to
[16:55] Speaker 4: make choices as an adult.
[16:57] Speaker 2: He decided he wanted to get down there and talk
[16:59] Speaker 2: to a tiger. What business is it of mine to
[17:03] Speaker 2: say no?
[17:04] Speaker 5: You know, if he was patently mentally ill, I would
[17:07] Speaker 5: try to restrain him from doing so, but.
[17:09] Speaker 2: Well, aren't you judgy? Eh.
[17:13] Speaker 5: Eh.
[17:16] Speaker 4: We got a lot more coming up if you miss
[17:17] Speaker 4: this segment. Get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.
[17:19] Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty.
[17:22] Speaker 6: He wasn't trying to say, he said, let them take
[17:26] Speaker 6: out Los Angeles. He was saying, you know, gas prices
[17:28] Speaker 6: are too high, the small price. But still, you don't
[17:31] Speaker 6: want to say that to people in this city.
[17:33] Speaker 2: We live here.
[17:34] Speaker 6: Let them take out Los Angeles. Karen Bass, our mayor,
[17:36] Speaker 6: was very upset. She immediately got on the phone with
[17:39] Speaker 6: her travel agent.
[17:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, that whole flap, which we never got into.
[17:52] Speaker 2: Whatever. Too dumb.
[17:55] Speaker 4: So why did the FBI show up at Ilhan Omar's
[17:59] Speaker 4: house this morning at 6 and go through all our stuff?
[18:03] Speaker 4: Nobody's exactly sure, but we'll keep our eye on that story.
[18:07] Speaker 4: That's kind of juicy. And I got some great Columbus
[18:10] Speaker 4: Day stuff. Washington Post with a really good version of
[18:14] Speaker 4: why Columbus Day and then why not Leif Erikson and
[18:17] Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff you've wondered before.
[18:19] Speaker 2: It's actually pretty interesting, I think. Fair enough.
[18:21] Speaker 5: So here's the story all of America should be talking about.
[18:25] Speaker 5: I mean, the Cornell 7, so-called Cornell 7 case, a
[18:28] Speaker 5: bunch of college kids get wasted and have sex that
[18:31] Speaker 5: some of them later regret, and now there's a lawsuit,
[18:33] Speaker 5: which will probably be settled.
[18:35] Speaker 2: I mean, I get it.
[18:36] Speaker 5: There was some interesting stuff and some interesting topics and
[18:40] Speaker 5: compelling things. testimony, but this is way bigger and more
[18:43] Speaker 5: important and amazing. It's the Southern California couple who were
[18:49] Speaker 5: arrested and charged with the abuse of 15 children. I mean,
[18:55] Speaker 5: it's horrible. It's a house of horrors. But nearly all
[18:58] Speaker 5: of them were born to surrogate mothers. This is a
[19:01] Speaker 5: 66-year-old Chinese immigrant or dual citizen or whatever, the man,
[19:10] Speaker 5: Guzhan Zhuang, and his wife, Sylvia Zasha Zhang, 39, both
[19:17] Speaker 5: of Arcadia, California, they got this 10,000 square foot plus
[19:22] Speaker 5: mansion in the LA suburbs.
[19:23] Speaker 2: Whoa, 10,000 square feet. Oh yeah, yeah.
[19:26] Speaker 5: And these people made zillions of dollars in commercial real estate, okay?
[19:29] Speaker 5: So this is so freaking weird. Everybody should, like I said,
[19:32] Speaker 5: should be talking about this. So this rich Chinese couple
[19:37] Speaker 5: immigrates to the United States. They buy this giant mansion
[19:41] Speaker 5: in the LA suburbs where they hire all sorts of
[19:45] Speaker 5: women to give birth to all sorts of kids. They
[19:49] Speaker 5: employ multiple nannies who supervise, physically discipline the children, and
[19:56] Speaker 5: quote-unquote teach them, and often physically abuse them. They're running
[20:01] Speaker 5: a damn child farm. And nobody's talking about, wait a minute,
[20:06] Speaker 5: who are these people? Why are they doing this? What
[20:08] Speaker 5: is this all about? Because I think the media is hesitant. Well,
[20:11] Speaker 5: I don't want to come off as like anti-immigrant or
[20:14] Speaker 5: any of the racist against Chinese. Actually, one of the
[20:18] Speaker 5: lawyers is claiming any criticism of these people is anti-Chinese racism.
[20:22] Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I was about to say, why were
[20:25] Speaker 2: they doing it? It's not known why they were doing it?
[20:28] Speaker 5: No, it's not clear at all. So let me get
[20:30] Speaker 5: into some of the details. What are the possibilities? Yeah,
[20:33] Speaker 5: we will brainstorm on this, and I'm sure you folks
[20:36] Speaker 5: are too. So nannies used shoes and wooden sticks to
[20:39] Speaker 5: strike toddlers, according to prosecutors.
[20:42] Speaker 2: Execute them.
[20:44] Speaker 5: In at least one instance, prosecutors said Mr. Juan participated
[20:47] Speaker 5: in the physical abuse by lifting a child into the
[20:50] Speaker 5: air with one arm and repeatedly delivering blows.
[20:52] Speaker 2: To the child's head. Execute him. There was a.
[20:56] Speaker 5: Two-month-old who had head injuries that were utterly unsupported by
[21:01] Speaker 5: the allegation that the kid fell out of bed. says
[21:05] Speaker 5: Nathan Hockman, the fabulous L.A. County District Attorney. The discipline
[21:09] Speaker 5: was nothing short of physical abuse, beatings, and punishment on
[21:12] Speaker 5: a daily basis.
[21:13] Speaker 2: They had school.
[21:15] Speaker 5: Rooms where the kids were taught, and then they had
[21:18] Speaker 5: punishment rooms that did not have cameras.
[21:20] Speaker 2: But you could hear the kids' screams from those rooms. Why?
[21:24] Speaker 2: But we're talking about the... Anyway, sorry. I'm obsessed with
[21:29] Speaker 2: this story now.
[21:31] Speaker 5: So....
[21:33] Speaker 2: This couple has.
[21:34] Speaker 5: 27 children in total. Investigators found a spreadsheet maintained by Mrs.
[21:42] Speaker 5: Zhang with the names of 21 children. Since then, the
[21:45] Speaker 5: couple has had another six children via surrogates. According to
[21:48] Speaker 5: the New Yorker, most of the children were taken into
[21:51] Speaker 5: state custody last year and remain in foster care.
[21:54] Speaker 2: You are right, though. And this is a media question. But.
[22:00] Speaker 4: Even if that woman was completely what she's now claiming raped,
[22:08] Speaker 4: gang raped at a fraternity, why would that get more
[22:14] Speaker 4: attention than this?
[22:16] Speaker 2: This is stunning. Nobody's heard this story.
[22:20] Speaker 5: It's a clear, the Cornell one is a clear victim oppressor,
[22:25] Speaker 5: men oppressing women narrative. So it just fits the narrative.
[22:31] Speaker 4: You think abusing badly a dozen and a half kids?
[22:36] Speaker 2: Including toddlers, yes.
[22:39] Speaker 5: Says their attorney, if they weren't Chinese, they wouldn't experience
[22:43] Speaker 5: this level of scrutiny. He is being unfairly scrutinized because
[22:46] Speaker 5: he has so many children.
[22:49] Speaker 2: The lawyer?
[22:49] Speaker 5: No, that's a break with the president. There's no law
[22:53] Speaker 5: against having all these children. They came to America because
[22:56] Speaker 5: you have the freedom to have.
[22:57] Speaker 2: A large family.
[22:58] Speaker 5: They just want to have a large family. And then,
[23:03] Speaker 5: listen to this, would you? So, after the police investigation
[23:07] Speaker 5: into the two-month-old boy who had a serious head injury
[23:12] Speaker 5: that was inconsistent with Mrs. Zhang's explanation that he had
[23:17] Speaker 5: fallen out of bed. After the police investigation, one of
[23:20] Speaker 5: the couple's nannies, Chun Mei Li, was charged with child
[23:24] Speaker 5: abuse that was likely to cause death related to the
[23:27] Speaker 5: baby's injuries. She fled to China to escape prosecution.
[23:32] Speaker 2: With the aiding and abetting of the lovely Mr.
[23:35] Speaker 5: And Mrs.
[23:37] Speaker 2: So she abuses their baby.
[23:40] Speaker 5: They just want to have a big family, and they
[23:42] Speaker 5: help her escape to China.
[23:44] Speaker 2: This is evil. It's insidious. It's horrifying. It's gigantic. We're
[23:48] Speaker 2: talking there may be 30 kids. God knows how many.
[23:53] Speaker 2: Are they just mentally ill people?
[23:58] Speaker 5: Well, nobody knows, and they don't really get into speculating
[24:02] Speaker 5: here in the New York Times account of this. And
[24:05] Speaker 5: to their credit, they had the most complete coverage I've
[24:07] Speaker 5: seen of this story. I ought to dig into the
[24:10] Speaker 5: LA Times or maybe Katie can.
[24:13] Speaker 4: The tiny bit of the story that I heard about,
[24:15] Speaker 4: I assumed it was some sort of they had all
[24:17] Speaker 4: these kids so they could get all this government money.
[24:21] Speaker 2: But you're saying they got wealthy on their own. Yes.
[24:23] Speaker 4: Which means they're smart. What smart people decide to have families?
[24:27] Speaker 4: 15 kids that they clearly don't want very much or
[24:31] Speaker 4: they wouldn't.
[24:32] Speaker 2: Be abusing them. Well, there were 15 in the house
[24:33] Speaker 2: at the time. It's 30. They got to have 30 kids. Wow.
[24:37] Speaker 5: My initial thought, and I'm not claiming that this is right,
[24:40] Speaker 5: but this is the first thing I went to, is
[24:43] Speaker 5: they are at the behest of the communist Chinese breeding
[24:48] Speaker 5: an army, a mini army of American citizens.
[24:54] Speaker 2: That can then be used for the purposes of the
[24:56] Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party. Chinese asshole! 100-year marathon. You'd think you
[25:02] Speaker 2: would treat them better if you want them to do
[25:05] Speaker 2: your bidding. Well, yeah.
[25:08] Speaker 5: And I'm not saying they're right, but they are clearly
[25:11] Speaker 5: treating these not as beloved children, but as soldiers. Soldiers
[25:14] Speaker 5: to be crafted and turned into, you know, merciless.
[25:18] Speaker 2: Agents of something. I mean, there is no....
[25:23] Speaker 5: I mean, I hesitate to even say this because nobody
[25:25] Speaker 5: needs to hear it. There is no reasonable explanation for
[25:30] Speaker 5: having 10, 20, 30 kids, having them raised by nannies
[25:37] Speaker 5: and regularly beaten if they don't conform to whatever training
[25:41] Speaker 5: they're undergoing.
[25:42] Speaker 2: This is a bizarre and horrifying case.
[25:47] Speaker 5: So the deputy DA, Mackenzie Timorey, Said in court, the
[25:50] Speaker 5: detectives were actively searching the couple's residence. They found antique sculptures,
[25:55] Speaker 5: millions of dollars worth of alcohol, cash, and bank statements
[25:58] Speaker 5: for 200 different bank accounts and 70 corporate accounts. They
[26:02] Speaker 5: also found multiple real and fake passports.
[26:11] Speaker 2: Where are you, media? Where's Fox News? Where's the New
[26:14] Speaker 2: York Post? Maybe they covered it and I missed it.
[26:18] Speaker 5: Anyway, I will start working the rampant Chinese communist child
[26:25] Speaker 5: abuse desk and make sure.
[26:27] Speaker 2: You know what we need to do?
[26:29] Speaker 5: We need to reach out to the prosecutors and figure
[26:32] Speaker 5: out what they're going.
[26:33] Speaker 2: To tell us.
[26:36] Speaker 4: Well, been in this industry my whole life, and it's
[26:38] Speaker 4: always been mysterious how some stories catch on and some don't.
[26:44] Speaker 4: But this seems like it's got... A lot of very
[26:47] Speaker 4: interesting parts to it.
[26:50] Speaker 5: Including just being honestly compelling for, you know, the protection
[26:53] Speaker 5: of children. Anybody cares about children?
[26:56] Speaker 2: Wow. Anyway, wow. Yeah, just insane.
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[28:04] Speaker 2: And Getty.
[28:04] Speaker 3: 40.
[28:04] Speaker 2: Dancing around. Looking for anything. Throw it in zone. It
[28:15] Speaker 2: is caught.
[28:16] Speaker 3: Touchdown.
[28:17] Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks has won anyway. 49ers game yesterday.
[28:22] Speaker 4: So there are three undefeated teams in the NFL. The Niners,
[28:26] Speaker 4: the Chiefs, and the Vikings.
[28:30] Speaker 2: Currently.
[28:31] Speaker 4: Tom Brady on the color commentary on that game yesterday,
[28:35] Speaker 4: the Seahawks 49ers game.
[28:38] Speaker 2: I really like his. I know some people hate him.
[28:40] Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. I think he's really good. I
[28:43] Speaker 2: would agree. Yeah, I enjoy his work. Yeah. He was
[28:44] Speaker 2: rocking the three-piece suit trying to bring that back. Controversial.
[28:49] Speaker 2: Cool look.
[28:50] Speaker 4: And also, when he was holding his microphone, some people
[28:53] Speaker 4: who are a fan of watches noticed his wristwatch, which
[28:56] Speaker 4: I actually noticed myself because I had looked at that
[28:59] Speaker 4: very watch myself. at a store in Las Vegas when
[29:03] Speaker 4: I was there with my son over the summer. $ 160, 000
[29:06] Speaker 4: Patek Philippe watch. And when I looked at it, I
[29:15] Speaker 4: was just in the store, and I said, wow, that's
[29:17] Speaker 4: nice looking. And the woman came over, and she spent
[29:19] Speaker 4: a long time talking to me. She must have thought,
[29:21] Speaker 4: in Vegas, you can't tell who's got money and who
[29:23] Speaker 4: doesn't by looking at.
[29:24] Speaker 2: Them, I guess.
[29:25] Speaker 4: I thought, how many of these do you sell them
[29:27] Speaker 4: every 10 years, let alone a week or a month,
[29:30] Speaker 4: that you spent this much time talking to me?
[29:33] Speaker 2: $ 160, 000 watch. Really quite impressive, though. Wow. it keeps perfect time.
[29:38] Speaker 4: Well, no, it's mechanical, and it is just stunning what
[29:42] Speaker 4: it does. It is a perpetual calendar, so it has
[29:46] Speaker 4: the days, months, weeks, moon cycle in a mechanical watch,
[29:52] Speaker 4: and you never have to change it for leap days,
[29:55] Speaker 4: leap years, anything like that.
[29:57] Speaker 2: It's got it all built in there, which is just...
[30:00] Speaker 2: An amazing piece of artwork. It's mind-boggling.
[30:04] Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is mind-boggling. If you've ever seen, I've
[30:06] Speaker 4: looked at the inside of those before. You can look
[30:08] Speaker 4: at them online. The fact that people can craft that
[30:11] Speaker 4: tiny little thing is really something.
[30:13] Speaker 2: Tom Brady sporting a $ 160, 000 watch. That is something.
[30:17] Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw 60 Minutes last night.
[30:22] Speaker 4: The lead story, they had the new guy that runs
[30:25] Speaker 4: the Secret Service, and they focused on the fact that
[30:29] Speaker 4: there have been more threats on Donald Trump's life than
[30:32] Speaker 4: any president in U.S. history, and how they have more
[30:36] Speaker 4: threats just in general that they're keeping an eye on
[30:39] Speaker 4: in the country than we've ever had, that it's just
[30:42] Speaker 4: a crazy environment for all kinds of different reasons. Right.
[30:46] Speaker 5: All sorts of officials, too, from congresspeople to mayors to senators,
[30:49] Speaker 5: all getting tons of threats to their lives.
[30:51] Speaker 2: It's really ugly. It is.
[30:54] Speaker 4: And for for a lot of obvious reasons, as Nora
[30:57] Speaker 4: O'Donnell pointed out, Trump is incredibly polarizing. But I think
[31:03] Speaker 4: everybody's going to be polarizing for here on out for
[31:06] Speaker 4: a while. Biden was incredibly polarizing in his own way.
[31:10] Speaker 4: We're just we're just polarized. So we turn everything into polarizing.
[31:14] Speaker 4: There's no doubt Trump throws gasoline on the fire or
[31:17] Speaker 4: whatever on a lot of different things.
[31:19] Speaker 2: But I don't see this calming down when Trump leaves much.
[31:23] Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Depends who's elected, really.
[31:28] Speaker 4: The media environment and the way we're so siloed and
[31:32] Speaker 4: we only hear our side of everything, which makes people
[31:35] Speaker 4: feel very certain about a lot of things, including certain
[31:38] Speaker 4: about a lot of things that aren't true at all,
[31:41] Speaker 4: doesn't help anything. And the fact that we're at war
[31:44] Speaker 4: with at least one country or a couple of countries,
[31:48] Speaker 4: depending on how you look at it, and they focused
[31:50] Speaker 4: on the Iranian threats, on how, you know, Chanting death
[31:58] Speaker 4: to American with signs, kill Trump, and all that sort
[32:00] Speaker 4: of stuff.
[32:00] Speaker 2: They've got to keep an eye on that.
[32:03] Speaker 4: A friend of mine who's in the biz, I asked him,
[32:07] Speaker 4: I texted him last night, and not in the media biz,
[32:09] Speaker 4: but in the protecting people in our government biz back
[32:17] Speaker 4: in the day, and he knows all these people. I said,
[32:19] Speaker 4: what did you think of that story in 60 Minutes?
[32:20] Speaker 4: And so he forwarded me some information from this woman,
[32:25] Speaker 4: Susan Crabb, Shree, which apparently has really good sources about
[32:28] Speaker 4: all this sort of stuff. And she said, my top
[32:30] Speaker 4: line reactions to the mostly softball 60 Minutes interview with
[32:35] Speaker 4: the new Secret Service director, Sean Curran, and his deputy,
[32:38] Speaker 4: Matt Quinn. Kudos to Curran and Quinn for sitting down
[32:41] Speaker 4: for the interview, showing a willingness to address very broad
[32:44] Speaker 4: public concerns about protecting POTUS. in this high-threat environment. The
[32:48] Speaker 4: only true news out of the interview was when Quinn
[32:51] Speaker 4: suggested that the Secret Service is not prepared for a
[32:54] Speaker 4: drone swarm threat. Multiple sources in the Secret Service community
[32:58] Speaker 4: tell me that was a big mistake.
[33:00] Speaker 2: I thought at the.
[33:01] Speaker 4: Time I was watching it, why'd you say that out loud?
[33:04] Speaker 4: Was that to get funding or something? Because I can't
[33:07] Speaker 4: imagine why the Secret Service would say out loud, you're up,
[33:10] Speaker 4: we're ready for everything, except a drone swarm threat. We'd
[33:15] Speaker 4: be in bad shape if that happened.
[33:16] Speaker 2: Oh, they'd get right through. Yeah, heck yeah.
[33:18] Speaker 5: You know, the only thing I can come up with,
[33:20] Speaker 5: and I don't know these guys, but it struck me
[33:23] Speaker 5: that they are seriously reform-minded. and really intent on the
[33:31] Speaker 5: fat cat, lazy culture that we've heard about in recent years,
[33:36] Speaker 5: the DEI, the Secret Service that was just, they're really
[33:40] Speaker 5: serious about reforming it. And I could see making the
[33:43] Speaker 5: mistake of, since that's your whole thing, we're not ready
[33:47] Speaker 5: for this. We're not sharp enough for this. We've got
[33:49] Speaker 5: to kick ass or something terrible is going to happen.
[33:53] Speaker 5: Are you ready for drone swarms?
[33:54] Speaker 4: No, we're not.
[33:55] Speaker 5: That's what you would say to your internal team. You
[33:58] Speaker 5: know we're not ready for this. We need to work hard.
[34:00] Speaker 5: I'm not sure you should say it publicly, though.
[34:03] Speaker 2: Hard to say. And maybe it was a funding thing.
[34:05] Speaker 2: Who knows?
[34:06] Speaker 4: Oftentimes that is what people do with various departments. I
[34:10] Speaker 4: thought all the drone stuff, though, was really, really interesting.
[34:14] Speaker 4: Did you see the drone catcher thing?
[34:16] Speaker 2: I did. That was wild. So even these drones you
[34:19] Speaker 2: can put up in the air that have a net.
[34:21] Speaker 4: And so if somebody flies a drone over the Super
[34:23] Speaker 4: Bowl or gets close to wherever the president's speaking somewhere
[34:28] Speaker 4: or whatever, we got this drone that we send up
[34:30] Speaker 4: with a net.
[34:30] Speaker 2: It goes over that drone and drops a net and
[34:33] Speaker 2: catches it. Right. Brings it in. I hope that technology
[34:38] Speaker 2: is good.
[34:39] Speaker 4: I have a feeling, you know, following the war in
[34:42] Speaker 4: Ukraine and Russia that the technology changes on a sometimes
[34:46] Speaker 4: like every couple day basis on who's got the upper
[34:49] Speaker 4: hand going back and forth.
[34:50] Speaker 2: So, man.
[34:53] Speaker 5: I like the devices they use that they look like
[34:55] Speaker 5: big shotguns that you could handheld, you know. net a
[35:00] Speaker 5: drone to bring it down with, uh, you know, inflict
[35:03] Speaker 5: interfering with its blades.
[35:04] Speaker 2: Obviously that's what the nets do.
[35:06] Speaker 5: Um, but, uh, I mean, how many of those are
[35:10] Speaker 5: you going to need to have handy? Like the entire
[35:13] Speaker 5: top row of a stadium is guys who have access
[35:17] Speaker 5: to like 15 of those each or what?
[35:21] Speaker 2: Right.
[35:22] Speaker 4: Um, I guess I'm not surprised that Noro O'Donnell brought
[35:26] Speaker 4: this up. Um, Remember the story where they snuck Trump
[35:30] Speaker 4: out in the food caterer thing because they were worried
[35:34] Speaker 4: about an attack from Iran? That whole narrative of, but
[35:38] Speaker 4: what about the other people in the cabinet and the
[35:43] Speaker 4: reporters and everybody who you left on the plane?
[35:47] Speaker 2: Is that fair? What are you talking about? That's just
[35:51] Speaker 2: such a dumb story to me. You're a child, Nora.
[35:54] Speaker 2: You're a child. Well, you're a child. Some people seem
[35:57] Speaker 2: to be seriously upset. Who knows? Maybe it was political
[36:00] Speaker 2: performative nonsense. Yeah. Yeah, she's a smart lady.
[36:05] Speaker 5: She might have been thinking, some people are saying this.
[36:07] Speaker 2: I'll bring that out because people want to hear it.
[36:09] Speaker 5: Right.
[36:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. But by using a decoy, the other
[36:15] Speaker 2: people were still on the plane.
[36:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[36:17] Speaker 2: And they were at risk. Yeah, that's what a decoy is.
[36:21] Speaker 2: If you don't do that, you don't have a decoy,
[36:23] Speaker 2: you see.
[36:24] Speaker 5: See, if everybody just got on the other plane, it
[36:27] Speaker 5: wouldn't have... Do you not understand this? We do a
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