# He Juggles Eggs

An episode of [Armstrong & Getty On Demand](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1259438987), 9 Oct 2026, 37 min.

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Hour 2 of A&G features... • The El Sayed / Rogers debate • Prom-posals are a thing • Public executions • Cornell 7 text messages from Jane Doe revealed Stupid Should Hurt: https://www.armstrongandgetty.com/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the
[0:05] Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong
[0:10] Speaker 1: and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.
[0:23] Speaker 2: He can't condemn Hamas. He can't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood.
[0:26] Speaker 2: He says his home is Egypt. This is all starting
[0:29] Speaker 2: at my home.
[0:29] Speaker 3: We are going to move along. We can continue this
[0:33] Speaker 3: conversation in the second half of the show.
[0:34] Speaker 4: He doesn't want a home in Florida. He took it
[0:35] Speaker 4: off the market. I don't know for why, but he
[0:37] Speaker 4: just took it off his home in the United Arab Emirates.
[0:39] Speaker 1: We're done. Staying in the Middle East. Congressman Rogers, you pledge.
[0:44] Speaker 1: So that poor moderator in Michigan last night trying to
[0:48] Speaker 1: deal with El-Sayed and Mike Rogers who are really getting
[0:50] Speaker 1: into it. Man, that is a no-win situation. If you've
[0:53] Speaker 1: got two candidates that are going to go at it
[0:55] Speaker 1: like that and just speak whenever they want, I mean,
[0:57] Speaker 1: I don't know what you'd do. I think probably the
[1:00] Speaker 1: best thing to do is just... Well, in the words
[1:03] Speaker 1: of Anderson Cooper, let them spum. That's what I say.
[1:07] Speaker 1: If you've got a bunch of people on stage, you
[1:09] Speaker 1: kind of have to because... But if there's only two people,
[1:15] Speaker 1: I think you can let them come off as.
[1:20] Speaker 1: Way too much of a bully and didn't let the
[1:22] Speaker 1: other one speak? Or just let them scrub? Unless you're
[1:26] Speaker 1: going to put a shock collar on them or a
[1:28] Speaker 1: compliance belt, I don't know what you're going to do.
[1:30] Speaker 5: You're going to do your best and let them come
[1:32] Speaker 5: off to the voters the way they come off. I'm
[1:35] Speaker 5: less concerned about the niceties of debating than I am
[1:38] Speaker 5: about an Islamist takeover of the United States.
[1:41] Speaker 2: I'm not too concerned.
[1:42] Speaker 1: Wow. I'm not concerned about the niceties of debating, trying
[1:46] Speaker 1: to understand what they're saying. And when they're talking over
[1:48] Speaker 1: each other, I don't even know what they're saying.
[1:50] Speaker 5: I thought, I honestly got, Hanson is batting, pinch hitting
[1:54] Speaker 5: for Michelangelo today, who's off celebrating his anniversary, which is lovely.
[1:58] Speaker 5: I thought you were playing two audio sources at once, Hanson.
[2:02] Speaker 1: I know. Isn't that what it sounds like? Yeah.
[2:04] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:05] Speaker 1: And that was the debate people were watching in Michigan
[2:07] Speaker 1: to try to figure out who to vote for. Like
[2:08] Speaker 1: he didn't turn that on already knowing who you're going
[2:11] Speaker 1: to vote for. I wonder, I don't know much about
[2:13] Speaker 1: either of these candidates. I'm going to turn on the
[2:15] Speaker 1: debate and listen to them have a good, solid discussion
[2:17] Speaker 1: about this and decide which person I'm for.
[2:20] Speaker 5: Again, and this time I don't think I'm arguing unfairly.
[2:23] Speaker 5: You've fallen into the trap of thinking most voters know
[2:27] Speaker 5: anything about anything. Huge numbers of voters, significant chunks of them,
[2:34] Speaker 5: maybe a third, don't know anything about Rogers or El-Sayed
[2:38] Speaker 5: at this point.
[2:38] Speaker 1: Even in this race? Yes. Even in this race in Michigan,
[2:41] Speaker 1: you think they don't know El-Sayed? Wake up and smell
[2:44] Speaker 1: the ignorance. You don't think they know if El-Sayed's, you know,
[2:48] Speaker 1: what he is? That's something. Then you shouldn't vote. Can
[2:53] Speaker 1: I say? Oh, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Okay, so
[2:57] Speaker 1: they were. So Rogers was claiming, and I didn't look
[3:02] Speaker 1: up whether this is true or not, that El-Sayed owns
[3:06] Speaker 1: a home in Egypt. And I don't know if that's
[3:07] Speaker 1: a deal breaker or not. And then so El-Sayed's getting
[3:10] Speaker 1: into Mike Rogers' homes and all of his sort of
[3:12] Speaker 1: stuff in this clip. All right, 30 seconds. We're going
[3:14] Speaker 1: to move on after this. 30 seconds.
[3:16] Speaker 2: How does a guy who's had less than four years
[3:20] Speaker 2: of work experience, who, by the way, on the campaign
[3:23] Speaker 2: trail said he had 10. own a luxury property in
[3:27] Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates. He's worth a million bucks. Somebody
[3:30] Speaker 2: has to tell me how this math works. A, his
[3:33] Speaker 2: facts are wrong, those are lies. But he is consistently
[3:38] Speaker 2: not telling the truth. Well, let me just say it,
[3:39] Speaker 2: he's lying. So he lied about being a physician. He
[3:42] Speaker 2: lied now about being an Egyptian citizen or not being
[3:45] Speaker 2: an Egyptian citizen.
[3:46] Speaker 1: I can't figure out what he is today.
[3:48] Speaker 2: But this impact, what he's trying to tell you, where
[3:52] Speaker 2: he wants you to be, that's a con man.
[3:58] Speaker 1: So what am I supposed to do when I watch
[4:00] Speaker 1: these debates? Well, sorry, I can't get to bed. I'm
[4:03] Speaker 1: going to be up for several hours doing research on
[4:05] Speaker 1: what's true or not of what these people said for
[4:09] Speaker 1: the next several hours. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.
[4:13] Speaker 5: He does own properties and a couple of properties in
[4:15] Speaker 5: the Middle East.
[4:17] Speaker 1: I've got the.
[4:19] Speaker 1: I got the main point for you from the whole thing,
[4:21] Speaker 1: from the wide world of news I was reading this morning.
[4:24] Speaker 1: We'll get to that after some more clips. Just run
[4:26] Speaker 1: through these. We'll comment after each one of them. Hanson,
[4:30] Speaker 1: starting with 91.
[4:32] Speaker 2: What my friend here just wants to do, as he's
[4:34] Speaker 2: kind of like a glitchy AI chatbot, is say the
[4:37] Speaker 2: same thing over and over and over again.
[4:39] Speaker 1: But let me tell you this.
[4:41] Speaker 2: He has taken money from groups associated and support the
[4:45] Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood. He has taken money from individuals on his
[4:48] Speaker 2: campaign who openly support Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda. He's taken
[4:55] Speaker 2: money from the George Soros family. What we found out
[4:57] Speaker 2: is that this thing goes way back. Apparently they paid
[4:59] Speaker 2: for his education in Colombia.
[5:02] Speaker 1: Now they're paying for his campaign. By the way, that's
[5:04] Speaker 1: a billionaire, last I checked. What degree did I get
[5:06] Speaker 1: at Columbia?
[5:06] Speaker 3: We're out of time. I'm going to give you a
[5:07] Speaker 3: 30-second reload.
[5:08] Speaker 6: What degree did I get at Columbia? I get interviewed
[5:11] Speaker 6: by him, not by you.
[5:15] Speaker 1: So one of the problems that everyone has in the
[5:19] Speaker 1: modern world, unless you sit down and watch the debate
[5:21] Speaker 1: like a friend of mine did, and I'm going to
[5:22] Speaker 1: read his text here in a second, is my algorithm
[5:25] Speaker 1: fed me all stuff that looked favorable to Mike Rogers.
[5:29] Speaker 1: And I thought, OK, I know what's going on here.
[5:31] Speaker 1: And then I tried to seek out other clips, which
[5:36] Speaker 1: it was easy to find him on like MS Now
[5:37] Speaker 1: and places like that. But God dang it. The biggest
[5:41] Speaker 1: problem we got maybe in all of media is you
[5:44] Speaker 1: can't flip off your algorithm. Hey, I don't want you
[5:47] Speaker 1: to just give me clips that back what I already
[5:50] Speaker 1: think to make me feel good. All right. I want
[5:53] Speaker 1: to see what actually happened. And that's hard to do.
[5:55] Speaker 1: It's really hard to do because it wasn't all Mike
[5:58] Speaker 1: Rogers getting in zingers on El Sayed is not the
[6:00] Speaker 1: way it worked. But anyway, so I asked a friend
[6:02] Speaker 1: of mine, he said, hey, are you watching the debate?
[6:04] Speaker 1: I said, what is it? I said, no. What is
[6:05] Speaker 1: your takeaway? He said, my takeaway is we're effed. I
[6:09] Speaker 1: tend to be more critical of conservative candidates' performance because
[6:12] Speaker 1: he is a conservative. Rogers started off fumbling a little
[6:15] Speaker 1: and had a cringy, he's not a physician kind of
[6:17] Speaker 1: doctor moment. Syed's slick, but I'm afraid that the left
[6:22] Speaker 1: is going to overlook his obvious terrorist ties and sympathies.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Syed is good on the economy and really good at
[6:27] Speaker 1: dodging his anti-Israel pro-Hamas stance by saying, I want to
[6:30] Speaker 1: support our schools. And what have foreign wars gotten us?
[6:33] Speaker 1: Always turning it back to things that are very popular
[6:36] Speaker 1: with like mainstream people.
[6:38] Speaker 5: Right, that's why he's so dangerous. But yeah, he's campaigned
[6:41] Speaker 5: over and over and over again with various imams and
[6:44] Speaker 5: activists who support Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood
[6:48] Speaker 5: and accepted money from organizations that also give money to
[6:51] Speaker 5: those organizations. Really, to me, that's the only issue that matters.
[6:57] Speaker 5: And it's an enormous history-changing issue. So I agree with
[7:03] Speaker 5: you on the stuff about algorithms and all, but I'm
[7:06] Speaker 5: less here as a political analyst assessing who did better
[7:09] Speaker 5: in the debate and more and calling Al-Sayed for that.
[7:13] Speaker 1: It's the only thing that matters to me. Here's a
[7:16] Speaker 1: little more on the whole doctor, are you a doctor
[7:18] Speaker 1: or not thing.
[7:19] Speaker 6: As a doctor, I understand exactly what's happening.
[7:21] Speaker 4: Not a physician.
[7:22] Speaker 1: He says I like to say the same thing. Not
[7:23] Speaker 1: a physician.
[7:23] Speaker 4: He says I like to say the same thing. He's
[7:25] Speaker 4: done the same thing over and over and over again.
[7:27] Speaker 4: You know what that is? Vote to keep your prescription
[7:29] Speaker 4: drug prices heightened. 19 times, a million dollars alone from
[7:33] Speaker 4: Big Pharma, another million dollars from the health insurance corporations.
[7:36] Speaker 6: Of course, he is touting their talking points.
[7:38] Speaker 4: This is a guy who has not been serious about
[7:40] Speaker 4: providing people healthcare his entire career.
[7:42] Speaker 6: What he has been.
[7:43] Speaker 4: Serious about is making sure that he can monetize his
[7:46] Speaker 4: time in public office, $ 14 million, two.
[7:48] Speaker 6: Yachts, a McMansion in Florida.
[7:50] Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, I'm a doctor,
[7:52] Speaker 4: I want people to have healthcare.
[7:55] Speaker 5: At what point is a boat a yacht? Do we
[7:58] Speaker 5: have a working definition of yacht? If you can sleep
[8:02] Speaker 5: on it, it's a yacht.
[8:03] Speaker 1: So many of these people running have houses in Florida.
[8:06] Speaker 1: Is that because of the whole tax situation there? The
[8:09] Speaker 1: Republican in Kansas who might lose because he lives in Florida. Yeah, maybe. Plus,
[8:17] Speaker 1: you know, nice real estate. It's warm in the wintertime.
[8:21] Speaker 1: There's one more that I want to get before I
[8:23] Speaker 1: get to some analysis that I think that's really important.
[8:28] Speaker 1: Maybe this just because it keeps coming up and this
[8:30] Speaker 1: is the point of the analysis. Ninety three. So else
[8:33] Speaker 1: I had to set this up. He has been asked
[8:35] Speaker 1: now five times in different settings, including in the debate
[8:38] Speaker 1: multiple times. Who is a bigger threat to the United States,
[8:42] Speaker 1: Israel or Iran? And he won't answer it.
[8:45] Speaker 4: So this sort of like hypothetical, who's a bigger threat
[8:48] Speaker 4: is a dumb question, sorry.
[8:50] Speaker 3: Dr. El-Sayed, we got the part that you thought it
[8:53] Speaker 3: was dumb, but we didn't understand or kind of get
[8:57] Speaker 3: to that answer. So I'm gonna ask you again tonight,
[9:00] Speaker 3: who do you think is a bigger threat to the
[9:01] Speaker 3: United States, Israel or Iran? You have 60 seconds.
[9:04] Speaker 4: And again, Rick, I'm just gonna say that that's a
[9:06] Speaker 4: ridiculous hypothetical, because here's what's happening right now. Our ostensible
[9:11] Speaker 4: ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to war
[9:15] Speaker 4: with Iran. We have watched as Iran has responded by
[9:19] Speaker 4: bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East and
[9:22] Speaker 4: then choking off the world's energy supply. So this is
[9:26] Speaker 4: a situation in which I don't think we should be apart.
[9:29] Speaker 4: I don't want to be pushed into war by Israel.
[9:31] Speaker 1: So here's Mark Halperin's analysis of that whole thing, because
[9:37] Speaker 1: it started before the debate. When El-Sayed was asked, who's
[9:40] Speaker 1: a bigger threat, Iran or Israel? And that's just a
[9:43] Speaker 1: dumb hypothetical. Halpern's analysis is, someone who, and Halpern bends
[9:49] Speaker 1: over backwards to be fair, like really goes the extra
[9:52] Speaker 1: mile to not be a partisan. Someone who won't say
[9:55] Speaker 1: if Iran or Israel is a greater threat to United
[9:58] Speaker 1: States security is a not someone who should be in
[10:02] Speaker 1: the United States Senate. That's a heck of a thing
[10:05] Speaker 1: to say as a nonpartisan journalist. I agree. Yeah. And
[10:10] Speaker 1: be someone who is in sync with a lot of
[10:13] Speaker 1: America right now. No one should be in denial about
[10:16] Speaker 1: either one of those facts. Yeah, I would agree. That
[10:19] Speaker 1: is a highly troubling situation. Somebody who won't say that
[10:23] Speaker 1: is so insane. That you're unwilling to say, obviously, Iran,
[10:29] Speaker 1: Iran's one of the biggest threats to the United States
[10:31] Speaker 1: on planet Earth and have been for a half a century.
[10:34] Speaker 1: They're the number one sponsor of terror in the world.
[10:39] Speaker 1: Of course, crazy to develop nuclear weapons, et cetera, et cetera.
[10:42] Speaker 1: Death to America. The constant chanting.
[10:44] Speaker 4: Yes.
[10:45] Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's because al-Sayed's on Iran's side, constantly pivoting
[10:50] Speaker 5: to the high prices and stuff.
[10:52] Speaker 1: Again, really, really smart politics, really capable. That's why he's
[10:55] Speaker 1: so dangerous. I can't believe that he doesn't, he won't
[11:00] Speaker 1: even for the debate say something along the lines of
[11:07] Speaker 1: Iran has been an exporter of terror or something like that,
[11:09] Speaker 1: hoping that his supporters know he's got to say it
[11:12] Speaker 1: or something. He won't even go that far. Right. Yeah.
[11:17] Speaker 1: But that second part is also troubling because he knows
[11:21] Speaker 1: there's lots of people in this country, lots of young
[11:24] Speaker 1: people especially, who agree. It's not clear that Iran's a
[11:30] Speaker 1: bigger threat than the United States and Israel. No way.
[11:32] Speaker 1: In fact, Israel's a bigger threat.
[11:34] Speaker 5: Partly because the Trump administration has done such a miserably
[11:37] Speaker 5: incompetent job of messaging about the conflict and the need
[11:40] Speaker 5: for it.
[11:40] Speaker 1: Man, we are in a weird spot where those two
[11:42] Speaker 1: things are true. For a U.S. Senate race? If he
[11:47] Speaker 1: gets elected, and I just don't think this gets said
[11:50] Speaker 1: enough in enough places, he will be by far the
[11:54] Speaker 1: most extreme person we've had in the U.S. Senate maybe ever,
[11:58] Speaker 1: certainly since the beginning of the 20th century. Yeah, miles
[12:03] Speaker 1: and miles. Hey, I want to hear 92, Hanson. Can
[12:06] Speaker 1: you dial that one up? Yesterday was October 7th.
[12:09] Speaker 2: This is why you should get absolutely angry. He could
[12:12] Speaker 2: not bring himself to even acknowledge the pain, the terrorism,
[12:17] Speaker 2: the rape, the murders, cutting off of women's breasts, putting
[12:21] Speaker 2: children in ovens. and killing them in front of their families,
[12:25] Speaker 2: could not even muster.
[12:27] Speaker 1: So I've condemned that. And he could not even muster.
[12:29] Speaker 6: I've condemned that, but I didn't turn it into political
[12:31] Speaker 6: theater like you just did.
[12:31] Speaker 1: He did not. All right, let me tell you this.
[12:34] Speaker 1: I just need to respond.
[12:35] Speaker 3: No, no, no.
[12:35] Speaker 1: He's interrupted me for about half of my time.
[12:37] Speaker 4: So I'm so sorry, but I'm not somebody who tries
[12:40] Speaker 4: to make political theater out of other people's pains.
[12:42] Speaker 1: Your whole campaign is political theater. And you turned it
[12:46] Speaker 1: into political theater. I'm sorry. Including putting on a white jacket. Gentlemen, gentlemen.
[12:51] Speaker 1: Al Sayed is on the side of Moss.
[12:53] Speaker 5: He may have thought they made some sort of strategic error,
[12:56] Speaker 5: but no, he's on their side.
[12:57] Speaker 1: And he may be right in thinking that if I
[13:01] Speaker 1: just keep bringing it back to grocery prices and gas prices,
[13:05] Speaker 1: enough people who are like, I don't know anything about
[13:07] Speaker 1: the Middle East. I don't even know what you're talking about.
[13:09] Speaker 1: But man, gas is expensive. We'll get him over the top.
[13:13] Speaker 5: And get America one step closer to an English-language version
[13:16] Speaker 5: of Submission, the great French novel.
[13:19] Speaker 1: Holy crap! Any thoughts on any of that? Text line 415-295-KFTC.
[13:22] Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. And finally, I heard that Starbucks is
[13:32] Speaker 1: exploring a takeover of Chipotle.
[13:34] Speaker 4: Ooh.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Yep. Customers said they can't wait for the E. coli latte. Yeah,
[13:38] Speaker 1: we have a great show. Give it up for the Roots.
[13:42] Speaker 4: The E.
[13:42] Speaker 5: Coli latte.
[13:43] Speaker 1: That's not fair to Chipotle. We're going to talk public executions,
[13:48] Speaker 1: pro or con, coming up in a little bit. Yesterday
[13:51] Speaker 1: on the One More Thing podcast, we got into something
[13:53] Speaker 1: that I just became aware of fairly recently. I saw
[13:56] Speaker 1: it at a football game a couple of weeks ago,
[13:58] Speaker 1: high school football game. I heard a mom talking about, yeah,
[14:02] Speaker 1: I'm busy making a sign for my son because he's
[14:04] Speaker 1: going to ask a girl to the homecoming dance and
[14:07] Speaker 1: make a sign. I just pretended I knew what she
[14:09] Speaker 1: was talking about because I had no idea. And yeah,
[14:11] Speaker 1: so that's the way you do it now. You have
[14:14] Speaker 1: to have a big giant sign that you show up
[14:17] Speaker 1: and everybody knows you're going to do it. And everybody
[14:19] Speaker 1: has their phones out, including both parents. And you have
[14:22] Speaker 1: a video of them showing up with a sign and
[14:25] Speaker 1: flowers to say you want to go to dance. And
[14:26] Speaker 1: that way you can post it on Instagram. We got
[14:29] Speaker 1: this text. Listening to your one more thing, homecoming posters
[14:33] Speaker 1: and proposals things, what a nightmare. My 17-year-old introverted daughter
[14:38] Speaker 1: would have gone to the dance with a boy who
[14:39] Speaker 1: wanted to go with her, but she didn't want the
[14:41] Speaker 1: sign or the public asking. He was pressured to do it.
[14:45] Speaker 1: She got embarrassed and said no, and now the group
[14:47] Speaker 1: of friends is going without her because she's not part
[14:50] Speaker 1: of a couple, and the pictures would look uneven if
[14:55] Speaker 1: she went with them without a date. So that's nice.
[15:03] Speaker 1: And this is for Joe. This is from the fabulous
[15:05] Speaker 1: I'm Just Diane, who responded to this all saying, promposals. Yes, Joe,
[15:11] Speaker 1: there's a cute name for it. They're called promposals.
[15:14] Speaker 5: I better grip my head hard with both hands to
[15:16] Speaker 5: keep it from exploding.
[15:19] Speaker 1: It became a thing in the 2010s, which is also
[15:21] Speaker 1: when Instagram started. Disney made a movie called Prom in
[15:24] Speaker 1: 2011 that heavily featured promposals. Promposals can be found all
[15:29] Speaker 1: over Instagram, TikTok, giving those who peaked in high school
[15:33] Speaker 1: something to look back on, I guess she said. Oh, my.
[15:37] Speaker 5: Dryly withering as always, Diana. Yeah, I made my thoughts
[15:43] Speaker 5: clear on the podcast. I think turning an intense private
[15:48] Speaker 5: moment into a public spectacle for public.
[15:50] Speaker 1: Approval is a mistake. It's always a mistake. It's rough
[15:54] Speaker 1: all the way around. I mean, because once it becomes
[15:55] Speaker 1: a thing, then the girl might be like, well, can
[15:59] Speaker 1: I say yes to a guy who just asks me
[16:02] Speaker 1: and doesn't do the sign flowers thing, the promposal thing?
[16:05] Speaker 1: Does he really care? Does that make me look like
[16:07] Speaker 1: a lame-o? I would have. I mean, I didn't ask
[16:10] Speaker 1: anybody out anyway in high school, but I definitely wouldn't
[16:13] Speaker 1: have if it required a sign and doing it around
[16:16] Speaker 1: everybody with cameras out to get her yes or no.
[16:21] Speaker 1: Not a chance. So, you know, once again, it's extroverts
[16:25] Speaker 1: rule the world. They make all the rules because they're
[16:29] Speaker 1: fine with it. If you're not an extrovert, though, you're like,
[16:31] Speaker 1: how do I participate? Right, right.
[16:35] Speaker 5: And then you go off to college like Cornell. And
[16:39] Speaker 5: things take a dark turn.
[16:41] Speaker 1: Wow!
[16:41] Speaker 5: That was an excuse to get this anonymous email on.
[16:46] Speaker 5: One aspect of the Cornell so-called gang rape is that
[16:48] Speaker 5: the fact that the men who were not rapists when
[16:51] Speaker 5: the sex happened because it was consensual only became rapists
[16:54] Speaker 5: when she changed her mind about what happened.
[16:56] Speaker 1: They are retroactive rapists.
[16:58] Speaker 5: It's the only crime I know of where the alleged
[17:00] Speaker 5: offender can change from innocent to guilty at any time
[17:02] Speaker 5: due to a change in the mental state of another person.
[17:04] Speaker 5: For your science-minded listeners with a twisted sense of humor,
[17:07] Speaker 5: they are Schrodinger's Rapists.
[17:10] Speaker 1: Wow. Speaking of dryly hilarious. That's really good about a
[17:15] Speaker 1: horrifying topic. That's really good. Well played, friend. Well played.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty.
[17:22] Speaker 7: A firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik
[17:26] Speaker 7: Hassan will be live streamed. This comes after War Secretary
[17:30] Speaker 7: Pete Hegseth said the execution would be public. Secretary Hegseth
[17:34] Speaker 7: says it will take place at Fort Hood on December 3rd.
[17:38] Speaker 7: Hassan was convicted of killing 13 people and injuring 32
[17:42] Speaker 7: others in a shooting at the military base in 2009. Monday,
[17:46] Speaker 7: a Pentagon spokesman said President Trump had approved the execution.
[17:50] Speaker 1: Has Major Hassan made any final requests, reached out to
[17:52] Speaker 1: the president, anything like that to your knowledge?
[17:54] Speaker 3: Don't care.
[17:55] Speaker 1: We'll see him on December 3rd. That was Pete Hegseth there.
[18:02] Speaker 1: I don't know if you care about the company you keep. Currently,
[18:06] Speaker 1: the only other two countries that do public executions, besides
[18:09] Speaker 1: the United States soon, Iran and Afghanistan. Over the last
[18:16] Speaker 1: half century, the only countries that have done public executions
[18:20] Speaker 1: are Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Somalia, and Yemen.
[18:27] Speaker 1: I don't see your point.
[18:28] Speaker 5: Ha ha ha!
[18:32] Speaker 1: One reason I can laugh about this is Mark Alpern writes,
[18:36] Speaker 1: he said, there's no way this is going to happen.
[18:38] Speaker 1: Cooler heads will prevail and it will not happen. So
[18:40] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[18:40] Speaker 5: May I respond on behalf of all of us who
[18:43] Speaker 5: think this guy needs to be executed immediately and are
[18:46] Speaker 5: at least semi-comfortable with a public execution? Your little list
[18:50] Speaker 5: of our bedfellows there. My official response is, oof.
[18:57] Speaker 1: No, you know, yesterday we talked about capital punishment, and I'm,
[19:01] Speaker 1: on the whole, a no on capital punishment. But not hardcore.
[19:07] Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me that these scumbags, with all their appeals,
[19:12] Speaker 1: get killed. This one, 100% yes. Because he's a combatant
[19:18] Speaker 1: in a war. Among other things. I mean, so 100% yes,
[19:22] Speaker 1: executing this dude.
[19:24] Speaker 5: This one's not even a question. Well, and a United
[19:26] Speaker 5: States officer in the military had sworn an oath and
[19:30] Speaker 5: did what he did.
[19:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, up against the wall. Military code of justice handles
[19:33] Speaker 1: this just fine. Why are we doing it public? Hegzeth
[19:38] Speaker 1: says it's to send a message that there's consequences for
[19:41] Speaker 1: this sort of thing. Yes, indeed.
[19:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[19:46] Speaker 1: I actually don't think that, because it's been a question
[19:49] Speaker 1: we discussed. this yesterday also is the death penalty a
[19:52] Speaker 1: deterrence and people been arguing that forever and then people
[19:54] Speaker 1: bring out statistics that back up their argument that may
[19:57] Speaker 1: or may not be accurate all the time on is
[20:00] Speaker 1: the death penalty deterrence i guarantee it's not a deterrence
[20:03] Speaker 1: for jihadists that i know.
[20:05] Speaker 5: Well it's an incentive Yeah, yeah. Look, Halpern's right, and
[20:10] Speaker 5: you're right, and I am right in what I'm about
[20:12] Speaker 5: to say. They say in coaching it's easier to slow
[20:15] Speaker 5: them down than speed them up. Well, that's the Pete
[20:17] Speaker 5: Hegzeth situation. And by golly, I appreciate his zest for justice,
[20:23] Speaker 5: his lack of patience with Giottis, and his being very,
[20:28] Speaker 5: very angry, because I've heard him talk about this, at
[20:31] Speaker 5: the way this offense, this horror, was approached at the time.
[20:36] Speaker 5: By the Obama administration trying to pass it off as
[20:39] Speaker 5: workplace violence. And Pete, his vehemence is in response to that.
[20:46] Speaker 5: But here's where the head coach Trump has to step
[20:48] Speaker 5: in and slow him down a little bit and say,
[20:50] Speaker 5: you know, that's not really a great luck. We'll just
[20:54] Speaker 5: do it and let people know it's done.
[20:55] Speaker 1: I don't think we'll stream it. So a live stream,
[20:58] Speaker 1: where would it be on? So it's not going to
[21:02] Speaker 1: be the halftime of the Super Bowl. No, no, but
[21:05] Speaker 1: it could be sponsored, brought to you by Remington Rifles.
[21:07] Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just, you know, spitballing here. Or
[21:11] Speaker 1: a hospital chain. Tonight, right after Dancing with the Stars.
[21:16] Speaker 1: Like that sort of thing. Brought to you by Humana Health.
[21:19] Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I... Well, is it going to be
[21:23] Speaker 1: on C-SPAN? That's the official government channel. Well, it's going
[21:27] Speaker 1: to be live streamed. So if you want to pick
[21:29] Speaker 1: up the stream, that's where it is. Whether networks will
[21:33] Speaker 1: pick it up or not. I don't want it to
[21:35] Speaker 1: be like the Chiefs Raiders game where I got to
[21:38] Speaker 1: try to figure, is it on Prime? Is it on Netflix?
[21:41] Speaker 1: Where the hell is it? I want to watch this
[21:42] Speaker 1: guy get shot. I hate that.
[21:45] Speaker 4: Right.
[21:47] Speaker 1: So you said earlier you would not watch it. Are
[21:49] Speaker 1: you standing by those lily-livered words? I don't think it's
[21:54] Speaker 1: good for the soul to watch these sorts of things.
[21:56] Speaker 1: I'll bet I have killed more live beasts than anybody
[22:00] Speaker 1: on this show and most people listening. But I don't
[22:03] Speaker 1: watch videos of it. I don't think it's good for
[22:06] Speaker 1: the soul to watch this stuff, personally. It's an unpleasant
[22:11] Speaker 1: and awful but necessary duty. Is that what you would say?
[22:15] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[22:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You could make the argument, I was
[22:21] Speaker 1: making the argument yesterday, that the government shouldn't be snuffing
[22:29] Speaker 1: people if you're not okay with, like, participating in it.
[22:31] Speaker 1: I wouldn't participate in it because, okay, then you are
[22:34] Speaker 1: participating in it. This is a democracy. We vote. And
[22:37] Speaker 1: you're participating in, like, voting, enough people voting for doing
[22:42] Speaker 1: this that we do it. So you're participating at some level.
[22:46] Speaker 1: There is that argument. It sounds like the sort of
[22:48] Speaker 1: thing you bring up in a classroom to get people
[22:50] Speaker 1: to argue while you scroll your phone as a professor. Wow.
[22:58] Speaker 1: But I so you could make the argument that if
[23:01] Speaker 1: the government's going to take a life like this, it
[23:03] Speaker 1: should be it should be televised. So people know exactly
[23:06] Speaker 1: what we're doing. But it still doesn't mean I don't
[23:09] Speaker 1: know what my soul gets out of watching. Yeah. And again,
[23:13] Speaker 1: it's not going to happen.
[23:15] Speaker 5: I think to do it the usual way, take pictures
[23:18] Speaker 5: up until the moment of the execution and the witnesses
[23:21] Speaker 5: who volunteer to be there, et cetera, done under the
[23:24] Speaker 5: strict code of military justice.
[23:26] Speaker 1: That's fine. I got another question. Is it barbaric?
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[24:34] Speaker 1: list of countries that do this got to mean something. Hey,
[24:40] Speaker 1: they're ahead of the curve. They're innovators. Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan.
[24:53] Speaker 1: I see your point. All right. That's rough. Yeah, it is.
[24:58] Speaker 4: It is.
[24:58] Speaker 1: But again, it won't happen. But do you think it's
[25:00] Speaker 1: 100 percent? But we have often had Josh Rogan to
[25:04] Speaker 1: the Washington Post on about rice, variety of things, expert
[25:08] Speaker 1: on China, all that sort of stuff. But he he
[25:10] Speaker 1: posted barbaric. I don't know that I feel like it's barbaric,
[25:13] Speaker 1: but I mean, if when you see that list of countries,
[25:16] Speaker 1: those are barbaric countries. Yeah, I would agree.
[25:20] Speaker 5: It's an interesting contrast. There is so much mayhem that
[25:24] Speaker 5: people watch, including kids, online. Well, I don't think they should.
[25:29] Speaker 5: It's a different time. Well, it just doesn't stand out
[25:33] Speaker 5: like it used to, is my point. I agree with
[25:35] Speaker 5: you completely. It's terrible, especially for youngsters. It's just awful.
[25:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that it doesn't, when people, my kids say,
[25:42] Speaker 1: because my high schoolers, teenagers, all this stuff floats around,
[25:45] Speaker 1: they say, it doesn't bother me. That's the problem. The
[25:48] Speaker 1: fact that it doesn't bother you is a bad thing,
[25:51] Speaker 1: not a good thing. Right.
[25:53] Speaker 5: Speaking of crime and horror, there are new texts out
[25:57] Speaker 5: between Jane Doe and some of the frat brothers there
[26:00] Speaker 5: at Cornell, and the case has not gotten less murky.
[26:05] Speaker 4: Right. Right.
[26:07] Speaker 1: Because then you do have the whole What you felt
[26:11] Speaker 1: the next day or whatever is not the same. Or
[26:14] Speaker 1: two weeks later. Yeah. Yep. There's a big YouTube star
[26:22] Speaker 1: that was in my town that I just became aware of, Gideon.
[26:25] Speaker 1: You know what he does going around the country? He
[26:26] Speaker 1: did it in our town. When my son said, did
[26:30] Speaker 1: you know Gideon was in town? His brother was like, whoa,
[26:34] Speaker 1: Gideon was here? I'd never heard the name before in
[26:38] Speaker 1: my life. Give me five guesses what he does. Okay.
[26:42] Speaker 1: Juggles eggs. Okay, you're going to... No. That was one guess.
[26:49] Speaker 5: Makes incredibly realistic barnyard animal sounds while crawling around on
[26:54] Speaker 5: all fours.
[26:55] Speaker 1: His YouTube channel has 9 million subscribers. His second YouTube
[27:00] Speaker 1: channel has 6 million. His TikTok has 7. His Instagram
[27:04] Speaker 1: has 4, among other things. He is a giant star,
[27:08] Speaker 1: whether you've heard of him or not. He's only 25
[27:11] Speaker 1: years old. God, how much money is he making? This
[27:16] Speaker 1: is what he does. He busts pedophiles. He sets them
[27:21] Speaker 1: up and then videos them being busted. He gets the
[27:23] Speaker 1: cops involved. And they did that in my town yesterday.
[27:26] Speaker 1: Somebody from Sacramento coming to Davis thinking he was meeting
[27:29] Speaker 1: a kid for sex. And it's the cops. And he
[27:33] Speaker 1: YouTubes it. And he's right there mocking the guy and
[27:37] Speaker 1: talking to the guy.
[27:38] Speaker 5: Yeah, there are a handful of those guys doing that
[27:41] Speaker 5: sort of thing online. The New York Times, of course,
[27:43] Speaker 5: because it's the New York Times, I'm pretty sure it
[27:45] Speaker 5: was them, did a profile on one guy who was
[27:47] Speaker 5: set up wrongly. And his reputation was ruined and how
[27:52] Speaker 5: irresponsible these online would-be vigilantes really are.
[27:56] Speaker 1: I wonder how often that happens.
[27:58] Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's one out of a thousand, you know,
[28:02] Speaker 5: this is one of those difference in quantity is a
[28:04] Speaker 5: difference in kind. If it's one out of a thousand, great.
[28:08] Speaker 5: If it's like 30%, then we got a serious issue here.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Well, that'd be pretty awful, though. I think you got
[28:16] Speaker 1: the wrong guy here as he's putting out on his
[28:18] Speaker 1: Instagram and his TikTok with all his millions of followers.
[28:21] Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
[28:21] Speaker 5: Guys are getting constant death threats who've been incorrectly identified. Look,
[28:27] Speaker 5: I was just walking through the park.
[28:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, right. But that aside, I just find it interesting.
[28:33] Speaker 1: This wasn't true with my parents. Where the big giant
[28:41] Speaker 1: celebrities that ever we were all talking about, my parents
[28:43] Speaker 1: had never even heard of. Or couldn't even conceive of
[28:47] Speaker 1: what they do in some cases.
[28:48] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[28:50] Speaker 1: It's so odd. And it varies from age to age.
[28:53] Speaker 1: You got the huge stars that my kids wouldn't know
[28:57] Speaker 1: that eight-year-olds know and vice versa. Right. Indeed, there are
[29:02] Speaker 1: some that five-year-olds know.
[29:03] Speaker 5: I was reading about some punk musician who's now the
[29:05] Speaker 5: biggest thing in kiddie music.
[29:08] Speaker 1: Kind of a Rafi thing. Wow. God, why haven't I
[29:12] Speaker 1: gotten into something like that? Come up with an idea.
[29:16] Speaker 1: Get a channel. Get millions of viewers.
[29:20] Speaker 5: It's as easy as that.
[29:23] Speaker 1: Just need the idea. We need something here.
[29:25] Speaker 5: All right, we need to get to those new text messages.
[29:28] Speaker 5: The Cornell not rape case. Let me be the first
[29:32] Speaker 5: to call it that.
[29:33] Speaker 1: Joe putting his thumb on the scale for justice. I've
[29:35] Speaker 1: got no... What? That's next. Armstrong and Getty.
[29:44] Speaker 6: She never said no.
[29:44] Speaker 1: She never stopped him physically. He did not see her
[29:48] Speaker 1: doing drugs. He did not see her drink. He did
[29:51] Speaker 1: not do drugs.
[29:52] Speaker 8: Defense attorney Andrew Miltenberg says Julio Lopes, one of the
[29:56] Speaker 8: seven Cornell fraternity brothers accused of raping Jane Doe in 2024,
[30:00] Speaker 8: is innocent. She was very much innocent.
[30:04] Speaker 3: In his view, capable of consenting to sex.
[30:08] Speaker 8: Jane Doe's attorney tells ABC News she was incapable of consenting,
[30:12] Speaker 8: was gang raped at the Chi Phi fraternity by seven men,
[30:15] Speaker 8: some of whom are accused of pressuring her into taking drugs.
[30:20] Speaker 1: Ah boy, this story. I will repeat what I said,
[30:22] Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday.
[30:24] Speaker 5: Media and politicians are doing to this story what the
[30:28] Speaker 5: fellows did to that girl. Took it way too far,
[30:30] Speaker 5: exploited it, and lost their souls.
[30:33] Speaker 1: I didn't realize how big the protests are there.
[30:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[30:37] Speaker 1: I saw them on the news last night. I was like, whoa. Yeah,
[30:40] Speaker 1: Free Press had some great writing about it.
[30:42] Speaker 5: And one of the points that this gal made that
[30:45] Speaker 5: wrote the article, was that it was extremely difficult to
[30:50] Speaker 5: find anybody who would say, allegedly, or we need to
[30:54] Speaker 5: figure out what the facts are, or we need to
[30:56] Speaker 5: slow down, or there's a difference between the guys involved,
[30:59] Speaker 5: number one and number seven. She made it clear it's
[31:03] Speaker 5: just an angry mob howling for their version of justice,
[31:06] Speaker 5: which I think a lot of this is.
[31:08] Speaker 1: I'm talking to my oldest son this weekend about this story,
[31:11] Speaker 1: about the, if you come upon this scene like this
[31:14] Speaker 1: sometime in your life, here's what you should do.
[31:17] Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's so much to this story, and as usual,
[31:20] Speaker 5: my reaction to the mainstream media is not only are
[31:23] Speaker 5: you idiots and simpletons and biased, but you're missing the
[31:26] Speaker 5: most interesting.
[31:27] Speaker 1: Parts of it, too.
[31:29] Speaker 5: Which, to me, is this utterly unworkable situation where the
[31:32] Speaker 5: university itself, in its welcome-to-campus materials about sex.
[31:40] Speaker 5: Was like incredibly sexually liberal. Hey, what you need to
[31:44] Speaker 5: think about, would you be willing to have sex with
[31:47] Speaker 5: two people at once, three people at once, more than
[31:49] Speaker 5: three people, cyber sex, open sexual relationships, sex toys, blindfolding, bondage, biting, scratching, spanking,
[31:55] Speaker 5: slapping for sexual pleasure, sexual clamps, toys.
[31:58] Speaker 1: It goes through the universe in itself. And why do
[32:02] Speaker 1: they do that? What's the point of that?
[32:05] Speaker 5: Allegedly, in their campus health self-exploration guide, which tells them
[32:11] Speaker 5: they're entitled to experience all the pleasures their bodies can provide,
[32:14] Speaker 5: they need to think about.
[32:15] Speaker 1: Thanks for the permission. I mean, I don't get why
[32:17] Speaker 1: they're getting involved in this.
[32:19] Speaker 5: And they state that nudity is optimal, but they're just
[32:21] Speaker 5: saying you need to think about which of this stuff
[32:23] Speaker 5: you're up for, which is an interesting take.
[32:28] Speaker 1: And then.
[32:29] Speaker 5: The Cornell Daily Sun student newspaper ran a column. They
[32:33] Speaker 5: have a sex advice column, and this one ran just
[32:36] Speaker 5: last year, talking about how great it is to be spanked.
[32:41] Speaker 5: And I knew a girl who liked to feel absolutely
[32:43] Speaker 5: terrified during sex advice.
[32:44] Speaker 1: Like prey animal awaiting her predator, that's power too.
[32:48] Speaker 5: It's not a reflection of bad character or immoral behavior
[32:50] Speaker 5: if you enjoy it. Sex is defined by consent, blah, blah, blah.
[32:54] Speaker 5: So what they're asking, we need to get to the
[32:56] Speaker 5: new text messages, but what they're asking is for the
[33:00] Speaker 5: full panoply of the Kama Sutra to be open to
[33:04] Speaker 5: everyone all the time and to be seen.
[33:06] Speaker 1: As healthy and normal.
[33:08] Speaker 5: But if at any point anybody thinks, you know, I'm
[33:10] Speaker 5: kind of weirded out by what happened.
[33:12] Speaker 1: Then that's rape and somebody needs to go to jail.
[33:15] Speaker 5: Those two things existing at the same time are utterly,
[33:18] Speaker 5: almost hilariously, if it wasn't so sickening, unworkable. So, more
[33:24] Speaker 5: and more text messages are coming out. Four days after
[33:27] Speaker 5: the Chi Phi fraternity party and the incident we've been discussing,
[33:32] Speaker 5: Jane Doe texted student Matthew Ingalls, that's male number one
[33:35] Speaker 5: who she originally wanted to have sex with, claiming everybody
[33:38] Speaker 5: knows about them having sex, leaving her incredibly stressed out.
[33:43] Speaker 5: Ingalls sympathized and said, dude, I have no effing idea
[33:47] Speaker 5: that some random biatch was telling her friends, okay? Because
[33:52] Speaker 5: the rumors were sweeping around campus, and that was really
[33:54] Speaker 5: stressing out Jane Doe.
[33:56] Speaker 1: It's a heck of a story. I mean, yeah, you'd
[33:58] Speaker 1: be talking about it if you heard it. And so
[34:00] Speaker 1: Ingalls responds, dude, I have no effing idea. This S
[34:03] Speaker 1: is incredibly frustrating, and I know how fast nonsense spreads
[34:07] Speaker 1: at the school. It's fan behavior from, oh, yeah, he says,
[34:13] Speaker 1: it's fan behavior from everyone talking about it, boring people
[34:16] Speaker 1: who have nothing to do with their time. Doe said,
[34:19] Speaker 1: the rumors are.
[34:20] Speaker 5: Effing ruining my life, and I want to sniff out
[34:23] Speaker 5: the rats. My reputation is destroyed, and I'm utterly ashamed.
[34:26] Speaker 5: I'm effing pissed because this many people shouldn't know, and
[34:30] Speaker 5: I feel like I know who some of the rats
[34:31] Speaker 5: in the room were. She added that the rumors were
[34:36] Speaker 5: not only spreading like wildfire, but were growing crazier every
[34:39] Speaker 5: effing day. Stupid bitches like to yap, and the fact
[34:42] Speaker 5: that they're doing it shows that they're jealous of you
[34:44] Speaker 5: for any number of reasons.
[34:46] Speaker 1: Ingalls shot back.
[34:49] Speaker 5: Doe agreed the gossips are jealous and threaten to beat
[34:51] Speaker 5: anyone up who gives them S. And also opening up
[34:56] Speaker 5: about how she's open-minded about sexuality. But also like everyone
[34:59] Speaker 5: needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and S
[35:02] Speaker 5: is changing.
[35:03] Speaker 1: And stuff like this is.
[35:04] Speaker 5: Going to be more common, she said, while admitting that
[35:07] Speaker 5: she is also really open-minded, though.
[35:09] Speaker 1: How old was she at the time?
[35:11] Speaker 5: She was a sophomore, so from 18 to 20. And
[35:20] Speaker 5: then upperclassmen may have been spreading the word. Doe responded
[35:24] Speaker 5: that a female student who confronted her wouldn't tell me
[35:26] Speaker 5: who she heard it from because it's one of her friends. Um,
[35:30] Speaker 5: Ingalls apologized, promised these idiots will move on and it'll
[35:33] Speaker 5: be done with more than a week later on the seventh.
[35:36] Speaker 5: Ingalls tells dough that his ex-girlfriend told him he's now
[35:38] Speaker 5: being labeled a sexual abuser on campus and asked if
[35:41] Speaker 5: dough had made those allegations against him. Dose said she
[35:44] Speaker 5: stayed mom, but added quote, people are changing the narrative
[35:47] Speaker 5: because like in any sexual scenario with one woman and
[35:50] Speaker 5: many men, the woman was probably a victim.
[35:52] Speaker 1: I know there are rumors. I was gang bang.
[35:55] Speaker 5: She said, um, It was the same day that she
[35:58] Speaker 5: requested a rape kit in an emergency room, etc. There's
[36:03] Speaker 5: zero chance of any convictions in this.
[36:05] Speaker 1: Zero. Yeah.
[36:09] Speaker 5: Not that it wasn't unfortunate, immoral. But the whole hardcore
[36:17] Speaker 5: porn Kama Sutra thing plus this puritanical notion of They
[36:24] Speaker 5: can't go together.
[36:26] Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. Wonder how long this story
[36:29] Speaker 1: sticks around. Armstrong and Getty.

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