# Hugh Millen on Seahawks Run Game, Offensive Line, West, Huskies QBs

An episode of [Softy & Dick Interviews](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1245866571), 24 Oct 2026, 28 min.

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Hugh Millen joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the state of the Seattle Seahawks run game, why they should not trade for Jonathan Taylor, the offensive line’s year and trying to turn things around, the matchup with Kansas City, plus some Huskies. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:23] Speaker 3: All right, we're back on a Friday night right here
[0:24] Speaker 3: on 93.3 KJR FM. It is our pleasure to welcome
[0:28] Speaker 3: a little live at five with our friend Hugh Millen
[0:31] Speaker 3: joining us on the radio program.
[0:33] Speaker 2: Hughie, how are you, man?
[0:34] Speaker 4: I'm doing great. What's happening, boys?
[0:36] Speaker 2: Jeez, we're good. We're good. Yeah, good, good. Yeah, Jackson,
[0:38] Speaker 2: we can bring that down a little bit there, big boy.
[0:40] Speaker 3: Uh, let's start off with some Seahawks conversation and let's
[0:44] Speaker 3: just give you the floor. There's a lot of thoughts,
[0:46] Speaker 3: a lot of tentacles to this talk about Kenny Walker.
[0:49] Speaker 3: I mean, you got one team that can't run the ball,
[0:52] Speaker 3: one team that's phenomenal at running the ball. And the
[0:54] Speaker 3: reason why the team that's phenomenal at running the ball
[0:56] Speaker 3: is good at it is because they have the other
[0:58] Speaker 3: team's guy and that's why they're bad. And now they're
[1:01] Speaker 3: meeting in week seven on Sunday night football. This is
[1:03] Speaker 3: an amazing story, incredible sidebar to this game on Sunday night.
[1:08] Speaker 3: What's your take on the way of the hole? Kenny Walker,
[1:10] Speaker 3: canine thing has transpired, man.
[1:12] Speaker 4: Well, I certainly think there's a long game vision of
[1:14] Speaker 4: this where a couple of years from now, even later
[1:17] Speaker 4: this year, Jadarian Price, maybe he's got the juice. Maybe
[1:21] Speaker 4: he can stay healthy. Maybe he can hang on to
[1:22] Speaker 4: the football. And, you know, certainly canine could be declining
[1:26] Speaker 4: at some point in a couple of years. So there
[1:28] Speaker 4: could be a date. where we say, hey, the Seahawks
[1:31] Speaker 4: made the right decision, but coming off of a Super
[1:34] Speaker 4: Bowl and certainly feeling like your defense is in a
[1:37] Speaker 4: Super Bowl window now, these decisions for the 2026 season
[1:43] Speaker 4: We're very vital. I mean, the inner softies coming out
[1:45] Speaker 4: of me, Dick, you know, like, like, like make decisions
[1:48] Speaker 4: for today. Now, you know, forget tomorrow.
[1:51] Speaker 1: Right. Right.
[1:52] Speaker 2: And, you know, so I learned by the way.
[1:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:55] Speaker 4: So look, I'm not, I'm not all in on your, but,
[1:59] Speaker 4: but we're like a Venn diagram and our circles are
[2:01] Speaker 4: getting closer, but, but, you know, from a cap standpoint,
[2:03] Speaker 4: the CRX at 12.7 million under the cap right now.
[2:07] Speaker 4: So they could have had Shahid and canine. I don't
[2:11] Speaker 4: understand how, People don't separate them. To me, they are linked.
[2:16] Speaker 4: And the cap value for Shaheed this year is basically
[2:21] Speaker 4: $ 7 million. Canine is $ 5. 8 million. Next year, Shaheed is
[2:24] Speaker 4: $ 16. 5 million. Canine is $ 18.
[2:25] Speaker 2: 7 million.
[2:27] Speaker 4: Then Shahid goes back ahead at $ 19. 5 million the following year,
[2:30] Speaker 4: and K-9, $ 18. 7 million. After three years, they're both at
[2:34] Speaker 4: $ 43 million and change on the cap. But the following year, 2029,
[2:39] Speaker 4: there's a voidable year. Seattle's going to absorb $ 8 million
[2:42] Speaker 4: right in. His contract's going to void. He's not going
[2:45] Speaker 4: to play for the Seahawks necessarily, and that $ 8 million
[2:48] Speaker 4: is going to accelerate into Seattle's cap. Seattle right now
[2:52] Speaker 4: at just $ 5. 1 million dead cap over all their players,
[2:56] Speaker 4: not one. Excuse me, not one player over a million,
[2:59] Speaker 4: only one player over 400,000. And they are the best
[3:04] Speaker 4: at the dead cap. But then they're going to have
[3:06] Speaker 4: one player in 8 million. Now, as a percentage, that's
[3:09] Speaker 4: going to dwindle. But my point in saying all of
[3:13] Speaker 4: this is I just look at the finances. I look
[3:15] Speaker 4: at the decision, the window. That was a lot to
[3:20] Speaker 4: expect of Jadarian Price. And he's a guy we had
[3:24] Speaker 4: concerns about his weight, his durability. The fumbling and right now,
[3:28] Speaker 4: if you had to just say the date right now,
[3:30] Speaker 4: it feels and looks like a big mistake. I mean,
[3:34] Speaker 4: for crying out loud, how about this? You're trying to
[3:37] Speaker 4: run the wide zone. This new stat, expected points added,
[3:42] Speaker 4: that has a high correlation to winning, by the way.
[3:44] Speaker 4: Google it if you're interested in it. B. John Robinson
[3:49] Speaker 4: is third in the NFL with 7.4. These aren't outside runs.
[3:53] Speaker 4: James Cook is second at 8.4. Kenneth Walker is first
[3:58] Speaker 4: at 22.1. Wow. And I could keep throwing these stats out.
[4:05] Speaker 4: I watched the tape. I watched what's included all 19
[4:09] Speaker 4: of his runs over 10 yards, including seven over 20 yards.
[4:13] Speaker 4: I was thinking, well, I'm going to look for an
[4:15] Speaker 4: angle to bring to KJR. No, there's no angle. It's left, right.
[4:19] Speaker 4: It's inside, outside. It's zone scheme, inside zone. Hell, his
[4:23] Speaker 4: success rate on inside zone, is 61%. It's gap scheme,
[4:28] Speaker 4: running power, what have you. And, you know, it's breaking tackles.
[4:32] Speaker 4: It's running away from people. It's a hell of a tape. And,
[4:36] Speaker 4: you know, that's why some of these numbers emerge.
[4:39] Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's going to take much for
[4:41] Speaker 5: Charbonnet and Price to eclipse what we've gotten so far
[4:44] Speaker 5: from Wilson and Helani, but that's not our goal, right?
[4:47] Speaker 5: Our goal is to have the running game that we
[4:49] Speaker 5: had at the end of last season. And for that
[4:51] Speaker 5: to happen, Hugh, Charbonnet's got to look like he did
[4:54] Speaker 5: last year, pre-injury.
[4:56] Speaker 4: Price has got to get healthy.
[4:57] Speaker 5: He has to hang onto the ball and he's got
[4:59] Speaker 5: to be the guy that we thought he.
[5:00] Speaker 4: Was going to be in the first round.
[5:02] Speaker 5: I think that's slim pickings to expect all four of
[5:04] Speaker 5: those things to happen. So do you go and get
[5:07] Speaker 5: a guy to give you some insurance here at the
[5:11] Speaker 5: trade deadline? So you don't have to worry about all
[5:13] Speaker 5: four of those things happening.
[5:14] Speaker 4: Well, I don't go get Jonathan Taylor at 27 years old. Um,
[5:19] Speaker 4: why not? Well, I just think, I think that he's
[5:23] Speaker 4: shown some wear. I think he's declining. This year, Kenneth,
[5:28] Speaker 4: I hate always going to pro football focus because I
[5:31] Speaker 4: make my decisions just watching the tape. But they're one
[5:34] Speaker 4: outfit that does subjective grading, right? And they have certain
[5:38] Speaker 4: rubrics that they use to categories each play, whether they're
[5:43] Speaker 4: going to give it a. 5, a 1, a 1.5,
[5:44] Speaker 4: or a 2, and what have you. So right now,
[5:45] Speaker 4: K-9 at 90.8%. is the highest rated running back in
[5:53] Speaker 4: the NFL. Jonathan Taylor, uh, he, uh, he has a
[5:57] Speaker 4: 66 grade, which is 37th. Last year, K-9 had 91.4,
[6:02] Speaker 4: number one in the NFL halfback. Jonathan Taylor, his grade
[6:08] Speaker 4: was 78. He was the 19th. The year before, K-9
[6:11] Speaker 4: had 88.5. He was the seventh. Uh, Jonathan Taylor was 108.
[6:16] Speaker 4: And the year before that, uh, K-9, that was 2023,
[6:20] Speaker 4: K-9 ninth, Jonathan Taylor 39. You have to go back to,
[6:24] Speaker 4: you know, like 20, was it, I think 2020 or
[6:27] Speaker 4: 2021 when he led the league in rushing. I think
[6:31] Speaker 4: there's a lot of miles on that tire. And I just,
[6:35] Speaker 4: to my eye, I do not think Jonathan Taylor is a,
[6:39] Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, I wouldn't bet my life on it.
[6:41] Speaker 4: But if I had to bet one way or another,
[6:43] Speaker 4: I don't think he's in the Hall of Fame. I
[6:44] Speaker 4: think he's a declining player and I'm not giving up
[6:47] Speaker 4: a one.
[6:47] Speaker 1: Right.
[6:49] Speaker 4: You know, maybe a four or maybe a five. But
[6:53] Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not giving up a high draft choice there.
[6:55] Speaker 4: And I think he's substantially inferior to canine. in recent years.
[7:01] Speaker 2: What would you give up for him, honestly?
[7:03] Speaker 4: You know, I'd have to study the tape more. But,
[7:06] Speaker 4: you know, getting back to the current situation we are, K-9,
[7:12] Speaker 4: on the wide zone this year, when he actually takes
[7:15] Speaker 4: it outside where his key, which is, are you hooking
[7:18] Speaker 4: the end man on the line scrimmage? When his key
[7:21] Speaker 4: out of 38 wide zones, when his key says, take
[7:25] Speaker 4: it wide, He averages 6.9 yards per carry. But on
[7:30] Speaker 4: the others where they say, no, cut it back north
[7:33] Speaker 4: and get in the briar patch, that's 7.03. It's essentially
[7:37] Speaker 4: the same. When you call wide zone, whether he takes
[7:39] Speaker 4: it wide or whether he takes it back up, he's
[7:43] Speaker 4: giving you seven yards per attempt. Meanwhile, Emmanuel Wilson, when
[7:48] Speaker 4: you run wide zone for him, he gets 3.2 yards total.
[7:51] Speaker 4: But on the times the green light says take it outside,
[7:54] Speaker 4: he's only 2.1 yards per attempt. Think about that 6.9
[7:58] Speaker 4: versus 2.1 and Holani for what that's worth. He he's
[8:01] Speaker 4: taking it outside on, on wide zone, six times, six yards.
[8:06] Speaker 4: We can do that math 1.0. And so, you know,
[8:09] Speaker 4: that just, those are numbers that show you exactly what
[8:14] Speaker 4: your eyes tell you that, that you don't have the
[8:18] Speaker 4: dude for the scheme. And I would just say this,
[8:20] Speaker 4: Emmanuel Wilson, there's a scheme called duo and the football
[8:23] Speaker 4: coaches out there. They know what that, that is perfect.
[8:26] Speaker 4: that it's always a strong side play. It is down blocking.
[8:29] Speaker 4: It's like called power without the pulling guard. But, but
[8:32] Speaker 4: basically Dave Dick, if you're going, let's say dual, you're
[8:35] Speaker 4: going right in the gap between the garden, the center,
[8:39] Speaker 4: everybody on the right side is blocking down. You're getting
[8:41] Speaker 4: a duo. It depends on the fronts, but you're usually
[8:43] Speaker 4: going to get an over front. Let's say you get
[8:45] Speaker 4: an over front. You're getting double teams between the center
[8:48] Speaker 4: and guard and the garden to tackle. And then they,
[8:50] Speaker 4: they go up to the next level. That, that is
[8:52] Speaker 4: a downhill play. And that's what you got to do
[8:55] Speaker 4: with Emmanuel Wilson. I think his success on duo is 46%.
[9:06] Speaker 4: But his success on, well, I already told you the
[9:09] Speaker 4: number on a wide zone. So I think that that's
[9:13] Speaker 4: part of what you have to get from Brian Flory
[9:17] Speaker 4: on Sunday night. is, hey, get to the stuff. If
[9:21] Speaker 4: Wilson's going to be the guy running the rock, forget
[9:25] Speaker 4: what you want to be. You got to be what
[9:27] Speaker 4: you can be. And I think that they're better off
[9:31] Speaker 4: just trying to really just plunge the ball up there
[9:34] Speaker 4: in the middle with Emmanuel Wilson as the guy in
[9:36] Speaker 4: the back.
[9:37] Speaker 5: So Hugh, I know Softie and I were talking about
[9:39] Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor, but when I asked you the question, I
[9:40] Speaker 5: didn't ask you if they should go get Jonathan Taylor.
[9:42] Speaker 5: I asked you if they should go get a running back,
[9:45] Speaker 5: a running back to support this group. Do you still
[9:48] Speaker 5: think that's a good plan over the next three weeks?
[9:50] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd have to be presented. Yes, I think right now,
[9:56] Speaker 4: and primarily given how good your defense is, And. and
[10:01] Speaker 4: Darnold needs some help. He needs help in a lot
[10:04] Speaker 4: of areas. They need a number two receiver. Actually, the
[10:08] Speaker 4: Bronco game is the first sign. If I was quarterback
[10:12] Speaker 4: coaching Sam Darnold, the first interception that he had against
[10:18] Speaker 4: the 49ers, was dual speed outs, and he threw it
[10:23] Speaker 4: over to JSN, forced it, where I'd say, hey, look,
[10:25] Speaker 4: you've got to speed out to the left where the
[10:27] Speaker 4: corner is way off. Had you thrown it to... To Shahid,
[10:33] Speaker 4: that's wide open. And then in the Bronco game, there's
[10:36] Speaker 4: a number of routes for the first time since he's
[10:39] Speaker 4: been a Seahawk where I could be there in a
[10:41] Speaker 4: meeting and saying, look, we have got multiple opportunities here.
[10:46] Speaker 4: So I think that we might be on the verge
[10:48] Speaker 4: of cracking something there with Shahid and getting something out
[10:51] Speaker 4: of this. So there's that point. But, Dick, the running back, yeah, yeah,
[10:57] Speaker 4: please give me running back help. I don't know what
[11:00] Speaker 4: you're going to have to give up. Uh, I'll think
[11:03] Speaker 4: more along the lines of softy in terms of, of
[11:05] Speaker 4: play for the now and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. Uh,
[11:08] Speaker 4: we all know that and love him for it, but, but, um,
[11:11] Speaker 4: you know, I'd have to have the details of that,
[11:12] Speaker 4: but something's got to change.
[11:14] Speaker 2: Right.
[11:14] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just think about, you know, like, but
[11:17] Speaker 3: the wide receivers, for example, I mean, the running game
[11:20] Speaker 3: is obviously a problem. You've all, you've also talked a lot, Hugh,
[11:23] Speaker 3: about not having a number two. And I'm glad that
[11:26] Speaker 3: you mentioned Shahid. I mean, I've been pissed off for
[11:29] Speaker 3: a month and a half, uh, that Rasheed Shaheed is
[11:31] Speaker 3: not getting the ball more. He had eight targets in
[11:33] Speaker 3: the Thursday night game, and he had three catches, including
[11:36] Speaker 3: the fumble. So I was glad to see them at
[11:38] Speaker 3: least try to get him involved. But Jackson Smith and
[11:41] Speaker 3: Jigba is No. 2 in the NFL with 65 targets.
[11:45] Speaker 3: Let's just consider two top wide receivers on each team.
[11:48] Speaker 3: That's 64 players. Our next best player as far as
[11:52] Speaker 3: targets is Shahid, and he's 79th in the NFL with
[11:57] Speaker 3: only 27. So when somebody asks you, Hugh, do they
[12:01] Speaker 3: have a legitimate number two behind Jackson Smith and Jigba,
[12:05] Speaker 3: I'm expecting you to say, hell no.
[12:08] Speaker 4: No, they don't. And the few times that they have
[12:12] Speaker 4: run wide receiver screens for him, I don't think he
[12:17] Speaker 4: has a great feel for the opening, which is odd
[12:19] Speaker 4: because he has a great feel for punt return windows
[12:22] Speaker 4: and to a lesser extent from an application standpoint, kickoff return.
[12:28] Speaker 4: So it's kind of Odd that we haven't got any
[12:32] Speaker 4: explosive plays that way. You know, put him in the backfield,
[12:34] Speaker 4: the fly sweeps. If you can manufacture that, I like that.
[12:38] Speaker 4: But I'll give you one more idea because this emerged
[12:41] Speaker 4: from the tape against the Broncos. So I think I
[12:44] Speaker 4: can paint this picture. So K-9 gets double covered, which
[12:48] Speaker 4: means they put a safety over the top on his side.
[12:50] Speaker 4: Let's say he's lined up to the left side. And
[12:53] Speaker 4: whether they play zone and jam him or whether they
[12:56] Speaker 4: play man, the point is there's a safety over the
[12:59] Speaker 4: top of JSN. Meanwhile, on the other side, teams may
[13:02] Speaker 4: not want to go play with a, what's called a
[13:05] Speaker 4: cover to safety and, and, and do the same thing
[13:07] Speaker 4: over to Shahid. So they may want to be in
[13:09] Speaker 4: what's called a quarters look, which is the corners off
[13:13] Speaker 4: and the safety's off, but the safety's in a, in
[13:15] Speaker 4: a better position to trigger on the run game in
[13:17] Speaker 4: this particular alignment, even though it's a too high structure, but,
[13:20] Speaker 4: but it's different on JSN. It's truly rolled on JSN.
[13:24] Speaker 4: And then that quarters look and, What you're seeing with Shahid,
[13:28] Speaker 4: he can sprint down the field, and this particularly showed
[13:30] Speaker 4: itself after he caught that go route against the Broncos.
[13:33] Speaker 4: He can sprint down the field right in between them.
[13:36] Speaker 4: And then they're both hauling ass out of there. Like, Whoa,
[13:39] Speaker 4: this is too much heat for us. Like, like this
[13:42] Speaker 4: cat can go. And, and then if he just does
[13:45] Speaker 4: a deep curl at 17, 18 yards, you just stab
[13:48] Speaker 4: it on. And that's an easy throw from a accuracy standpoint,
[13:51] Speaker 4: because it's static accuracy on a, on a button hook,
[13:54] Speaker 4: as opposed to dynamic accuracy, like on a crossing route
[13:57] Speaker 4: where you have to lead a guy running full speed
[13:59] Speaker 4: to your eye, you're basically throwing to a guy who's
[14:01] Speaker 4: standing there. And so it's, those opportunities were there plural.
[14:06] Speaker 4: And that's an example of what I would say if
[14:10] Speaker 4: I'm in that meeting with Darnold and we're formulating a
[14:13] Speaker 4: game plan like, hey, for the first time, we're seeing
[14:16] Speaker 4: some bone, some meat on that bone for receipt and
[14:20] Speaker 4: we're not chewing on that bone. Let's get that thing
[14:23] Speaker 4: and get everything we can out of it. So somehow
[14:26] Speaker 4: I feel like we're close to to Shahid becoming a No. 2,
[14:31] Speaker 4: but he was acquired November 24th of 2025, and he
[14:34] Speaker 4: has not been a No. 2.
[14:36] Speaker 5: So, Hugh, let's talk about the degradation of the offensive line.
[14:41] Speaker 5: How far have we dropped from Anthony Bradford, who's only
[14:44] Speaker 5: played 50 snaps this year, compared to Christian Haynes and
[14:48] Speaker 5: Bo Stevens? And then how far have the tackle play
[14:51] Speaker 5: dropped with Abe Lucas versus what we're used to seeing him?
[14:55] Speaker 4: Well, I'm never going to... be, uh, you know, all in, uh,
[15:01] Speaker 4: and plant any flags about Anthony Bradford is going to
[15:04] Speaker 4: be the key to turning things around.
[15:05] Speaker 1: Right.
[15:05] Speaker 4: Cause you, you, you know how I feel, but, um,
[15:09] Speaker 4: I think Bradford is a better choice among the three
[15:13] Speaker 4: for now. Uh, you know, his best, uh, attribute is that,
[15:18] Speaker 4: that when in a, in a tight space and he
[15:22] Speaker 4: doesn't have to go on to the second level, if
[15:23] Speaker 4: he's got a guy in front of him and he won't,
[15:25] Speaker 4: you want a mall, he can, he can really move
[15:27] Speaker 4: with some power. Now, if he has to, on a
[15:31] Speaker 4: zone blocking, get a linebacker, he ain't exactly twinkle toes
[15:34] Speaker 4: at the second level. He's going to get beat. There's
[15:37] Speaker 4: not athleticism. And there's not a hell of a lot
[15:42] Speaker 4: of finesse and skill in his pass blocking. But if
[15:45] Speaker 4: you want to get him in a phone booth, he
[15:47] Speaker 4: can maul you in the run game. So if that helps,
[15:50] Speaker 4: then great. As for the protection, this should be a
[15:54] Speaker 4: time where Abe Lucas is reaching his prime of his career. And,
[15:59] Speaker 4: and he's dropped off. I mean, there, there's a, there's
[16:02] Speaker 4: a play, you know, two, three jet is, is a
[16:05] Speaker 4: common West coast terminology of a basic, protection where the
[16:12] Speaker 4: center goes one way, the back goes another, it's a
[16:14] Speaker 4: six man protection. So as a quarterback, you go, I
[16:17] Speaker 4: got three, three block to my left, three block to
[16:19] Speaker 4: my right. I, all I got to worry about is
[16:21] Speaker 4: a fourth. And, and the other night you've got Abe Lucas.
[16:26] Speaker 4: Hey dude, you just got blocked the end. He starts
[16:28] Speaker 4: blocking the end. And then the linebacker comes from depth
[16:31] Speaker 4: from like five yards. This is like walkthrough level simplicity, right?
[16:36] Speaker 4: George Alani was coming over to get the linebacker coming
[16:39] Speaker 4: from depth. Why Abe Lucas dropped the end and felt
[16:44] Speaker 4: like he needed to block the linebacker. This was like
[16:49] Speaker 4: minicamp stuff. And it makes you wonder from– look, everybody's accountable.
[16:55] Speaker 4: And if Abe Lucas– if he had the missed assignment,
[16:59] Speaker 4: then that's on him. But, you know, there's enough of
[17:02] Speaker 4: these things where you start to say, hey, who is
[17:04] Speaker 4: coordinating the offense? Well, he's called the offensive coordinator. And
[17:08] Speaker 4: I think I think there's just like little chinks in
[17:10] Speaker 4: the armor that you see like that's that can't happen.
[17:13] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[17:14] Speaker 4: What I just described. That's a no bueno.
[17:16] Speaker 2: Let me do this.
[17:17] Speaker 3: Let me jump in because we will we'll continue next segment.
[17:21] Speaker 3: I mean, we've spent a lot of time talking about
[17:22] Speaker 3: kind of like what the Seahawks are, what they aren't.
[17:25] Speaker 2: What Kenny Walker is.
[17:26] Speaker 3: We've got to get into this matchup, right, on Sunday
[17:30] Speaker 3: night and.
[17:30] Speaker 2: Talk about what we think is going to happen.
[17:32] Speaker 3: And, you know, people tend to forget the Chiefs have
[17:34] Speaker 3: a pretty damn good defense as well on that side
[17:37] Speaker 3: of the ball.
[17:38] Speaker 2: So let's get into all that.
[17:39] Speaker 3: Also want to ask you, if we have time, would
[17:42] Speaker 3: you name a starting quarterback today? If you were Jed
[17:44] Speaker 3: Fish for Nebraska, or do you maybe wait and make
[17:47] Speaker 3: him prepare for both?
[17:48] Speaker 2: We'll get more with you next on 93.3 KJRFM.
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[18:53] Speaker 3: All right, Hugh Millen rejoins us on the radio show. Hugh,
[18:56] Speaker 3: let's get into the matchup, man, on Sunday night.
[18:58] Speaker 2: No.
[18:59] Speaker 3: 1 total offense versus the No. 1 total defense in
[19:03] Speaker 3: the National Football League. What strikes you as important when
[19:07] Speaker 3: it comes to the matchup on Sunday night, man?
[19:09] Speaker 4: Well, I think important for Seattle, you just look at–
[19:13] Speaker 4: The Chiefs, their left tackle, Josh Simmons, went on IR.
[19:18] Speaker 4: Khalil Benson, he has been starting all year. That is
[19:22] Speaker 4: an undrafted free agent. He is 72nd out of 74
[19:28] Speaker 4: in terms of pass-blocking grade. He's allowed 12 pressures. On
[19:33] Speaker 4: the other side, Jalen Moore, their right tackle, he looks
[19:35] Speaker 4: to be out with a concussion. Joshua... Eze Ude, he
[19:43] Speaker 4: had three snaps at right tackle before last week. It's
[19:48] Speaker 4: his first start of the season. So those tackles, the
[19:52] Speaker 4: defensive ends for Seattle cannot be quiet. We have to
[19:56] Speaker 4: hear from Odoo, and we have to hear from Derek Hall.
[20:04] Speaker 4: and Demarcus Lawrence, right? And so all of those guys.
[20:09] Speaker 3: Two of those guys you just mentioned are questionable with injuries,
[20:11] Speaker 3: by the way.
[20:12] Speaker 4: I know, yeah, but whoever's at edge, whoever's got the matchup.
[20:16] Speaker 4: I mean, Nuoso had the strip sack against Justin Herbert
[20:20] Speaker 4: to end that game, but that was one of only
[20:23] Speaker 4: three sacks that Seattle edge players have. They have 16
[20:26] Speaker 4: to the Seahawks on the season. That's ninth in the league,
[20:29] Speaker 4: only three from the edge, so they cannot be quiet.
[20:32] Speaker 4: That's a big part of it.
[20:34] Speaker 5: What has happened to Derek Hall, if anything? Maybe he'll
[20:36] Speaker 5: tell me he's playing exactly how he did last year.
[20:40] Speaker 4: Well, I think he's playing pretty good. I think he's
[20:44] Speaker 4: creating havoc. It's not always just, okay, are you getting
[20:49] Speaker 4: the sacks? I think you're fine there, but he's got
[20:53] Speaker 4: to be more than fine. You've got to find some examples.
[20:56] Speaker 4: I mean, A couple thoughts, Dave, since you asked about
[21:00] Speaker 4: that side of the ball. Pat Mahomes, his average depth
[21:02] Speaker 4: of target, these are all out of 33 qualifying quarterbacks.
[21:06] Speaker 4: He's only 30th out of 33, right? His short percentage
[21:11] Speaker 4: is third. His tight window is only 7.6% of his
[21:17] Speaker 4: throws are into a tight window. That's 32nd out of 33. Now,
[21:22] Speaker 4: here's a big thing that's changed. A year ago, Under
[21:26] Speaker 4: center play action, you had Mahomes in 14 games at
[21:32] Speaker 4: 151 yards. This year in six games, he's got 368 yards.
[21:37] Speaker 4: And K-9, when he runs with Pat Mahomes under center,
[21:44] Speaker 4: 65 out of his 106 attempts, 7.1 average. Shotgun, it
[21:50] Speaker 4: drops down to 5.5. and pistol down to 3.2. So the,
[21:54] Speaker 4: the chiefs have found a way to marry what they
[21:57] Speaker 4: have in Kenneth Walker, get under center. My homes is
[22:00] Speaker 4: thriving and play action under center, obviously canines thriving. And, and, and,
[22:05] Speaker 4: you know, there, therein lies a big part of the challenge.
[22:08] Speaker 4: Now they don't have Rashid Shahi. Um, you can't let, uh, uh,
[22:12] Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey block you on the wide zone, that old man,
[22:17] Speaker 4: and somehow you've got to cover him. He's got some moxie,
[22:20] Speaker 4: but I think that other than Xavier Worthy and the
[22:23] Speaker 4: speed that you worry about, I think Seattle catches a
[22:26] Speaker 4: break here because I think that depleted the receiver core.
[22:29] Speaker 4: is something that Seattle Secondary should be able to take
[22:31] Speaker 4: advantage of.
[22:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Well, look, I mean, obviously this is
[22:34] Speaker 3: a pretty damn big one. Niners have Atlanta in Atlanta
[22:38] Speaker 3: on Sunday. I know Dick likes the Falcons to maybe,
[22:41] Speaker 3: just maybe, right, Dick? Get the upset against San Francisco,
[22:44] Speaker 3: but part of that recipe would be us beating the
[22:46] Speaker 3: freaking Chiefs on Sunday night. I threw this out there
[22:49] Speaker 3: this morning on social media, Hugh. Are you starting to
[22:52] Speaker 3: kind of lose hope that this team can win the
[22:55] Speaker 3: NFC West? Do you still feel there's a decent chance
[22:59] Speaker 3: of that? Or is that ship starting to either sail
[23:01] Speaker 3: or has sailed for you?
[23:03] Speaker 4: Well, I think the probability has notched down each week
[23:06] Speaker 4: that Seattle, you know, I mean, the math is the math, right?
[23:10] Speaker 4: But I do think this feels like a bigger game
[23:13] Speaker 4: than one game. It almost feels like the fork for
[23:15] Speaker 4: the 2026 Seahawks. get the win here, four and three.
[23:20] Speaker 4: San Francisco has been known to have the injuries.
[23:22] Speaker 2: They're older.
[23:23] Speaker 4: They could fall apart. Of course, you still get a
[23:25] Speaker 4: chance to play them. So I wouldn't say the NFC
[23:28] Speaker 4: West is lost, but it would seem real grim if
[23:33] Speaker 4: you can't win Sunday night. But I still have good
[23:36] Speaker 4: hope for this team. Obviously, the things they need to fix,
[23:39] Speaker 4: I love that they had the three days. Seattle go
[23:41] Speaker 4: back to a year ago. I'm not going to give
[23:43] Speaker 4: the examples due to time, but when they had... The break,
[23:47] Speaker 4: whether it's the mini buy-off off a Thursday game or
[23:49] Speaker 4: whether it's the full buy, Seattle tends to play really well,
[23:53] Speaker 4: and they really go to school on self-scouting, and they
[23:56] Speaker 4: come out and they give lockdown performances. Let's hope we
[23:59] Speaker 4: see that Sunday. Hugh, let's move to the dogs.
[24:02] Speaker 5: So we still have eight more days until they take
[24:04] Speaker 5: on Nebraska, but talk to me about the quarterback situation,
[24:07] Speaker 5: not only when you determine a starter, but who that
[24:11] Speaker 5: starter should be in your mind.
[24:13] Speaker 4: Well, I think it should be Elijah Brown. I think
[24:15] Speaker 4: he's done enough and not just his performance, but watching
[24:20] Speaker 4: how the team responded. And, uh, you know, the, the, um,
[24:24] Speaker 4: percentage of, of times the ball got out in under
[24:27] Speaker 4: two and a half seconds, uh, with the mind, it
[24:30] Speaker 4: was for exactly 40%. And with Elijah Brown, it's exactly 60%.
[24:34] Speaker 4: I mean, it's literally a 20, the math is so easy, 20%, um, faster.
[24:38] Speaker 6: Right.
[24:39] Speaker 4: Um, as for the timing of it, right. Uh, Here's
[24:43] Speaker 4: a thought, guys. I think that the sooner the better. Okay.
[24:48] Speaker 4: Because as you're practicing, Deadfish has a choice. He can
[24:54] Speaker 4: either split the reps, in which case you can continue
[24:59] Speaker 4: to try and provide that deception or that lack of
[25:03] Speaker 4: clarity for Nebraska, and there is a tactical advantage. But
[25:07] Speaker 4: in so doing, you're getting whoever's going to start, who
[25:11] Speaker 4: I would argue should be Brown, you're getting him less reps.
[25:15] Speaker 4: So as soon as they switch it and they say, hey,
[25:18] Speaker 4: Brown is getting 95% or 98% of the reps, all
[25:21] Speaker 4: the players know it. and then what happens is all
[25:26] Speaker 4: the players, somebody's going to leak it. Or one of
[25:28] Speaker 4: the players is going to tell his dad, and guess
[25:30] Speaker 4: what the dads do? The dads leak it. Right.
[25:33] Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean Jed has to disclose it, right?
[25:36] Speaker 3: He could give Elijah Brown 90% of the reps and
[25:40] Speaker 3: still wait to make an announcement until Friday before the
[25:43] Speaker 3: Nebraska game.
[25:44] Speaker 4: He could, but I wouldn't want him to, you know,
[25:47] Speaker 4: in an effort to stymie Nebraska, I wouldn't want him
[25:53] Speaker 4: to give fewer reps to Elijah Brown. Now a thought here, guys,
[25:59] Speaker 4: you throw on the tape, Elijah Brown went on into
[26:02] Speaker 4: that Iowa game when the Huskies were down 27 to nothing.
[26:06] Speaker 4: And then when you throw on the Purdue tape, like
[26:09] Speaker 4: my eyebrows went up like, Oh my God, these guys
[26:12] Speaker 4: are putrid on defense. And in, in a rare way,
[26:16] Speaker 4: it seemed like they had nine guys. They couldn't run
[26:19] Speaker 4: the ball. They, they couldn't communicate. They, They were terrible tackling,
[26:24] Speaker 4: terrible physicality, their angles. They were bad in every way.
[26:29] Speaker 4: Nebraska's a lot better on defense, so I won't be
[26:32] Speaker 4: surprised if there's a big-time come-to-earth performance by Elijah Brown. Now,
[26:40] Speaker 4: if there's not, and the Huskies' offense is cooking with gas,
[26:47] Speaker 4: that will impress me because I think Nebraska playing at
[26:50] Speaker 4: home still with a lot to play for with just
[26:53] Speaker 4: two losses, I think it's going to be a lot
[26:56] Speaker 4: more formidable than what I've seen on tape. So what
[26:58] Speaker 4: I'm saying, I'm not integrating Elijah Brown. I'm just saying,
[27:02] Speaker 4: for me, I'm withholding the judgment because of the Iowa
[27:05] Speaker 4: circumstances and because of the Purdue circumstances I just described.
[27:09] Speaker 3: You're talking about the 11th best defense in football. number
[27:12] Speaker 3: one on third down defense. I mean, this is not
[27:14] Speaker 3: even close to what you had in Purdue. This is
[27:16] Speaker 3: like going from the freshman to the varsity, for God's sakes,
[27:19] Speaker 3: when it comes to defense.
[27:20] Speaker 2: So total difference. All right. Enjoy the game Sunday night.
[27:23] Speaker 2: We'll talk Monday.
[27:23] Speaker 1: Thanks, man.
[27:24] Speaker 2: Hammer down.
[27:24] Speaker 1: Go on.
[27:24] Speaker 4: We got you tonight on Sunday night.
[27:26] Speaker 1: Sunday night. Yep. Let's do it.
[27:27] Speaker 2: I love it.
[27:27] Speaker 3: After the game, tune in to the postgame show. We're
[27:29] Speaker 3: going to break. A little fun with audio next on
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