# Rick Neuheisel on Deion Sanders, NC State-Vandy, Huskies, USC-Ducks

An episode of [Softy & Dick Interviews](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1245866571), 24 Sep 2026, 18 min.

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Rick Neuheisel, former UW Coach now with CBS Sports, joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about the Texas-Tennessee communications with the president in the stadium, Deion Sanders’ job security at Colorado, the wild ending to N.C. State versus Vanderbilt, the Huskies facing USC next week, Ole Miss’ huge win, and his weekly pick. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Your home for college football Saturdays is live with CBS
[0:08] Speaker 1: Sports Analyst Rick Neuheisel, powered by Taco Time.
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[0:25] Speaker 1: Now with Rick Neuheisel, here's Softie and Dick.
[0:28] Speaker 3: Okay, I would like to start off, by the way,
[0:30] Speaker 3: with some positive news. He's always telling me I start
[0:34] Speaker 3: off with a negative. I will now start off with
[0:35] Speaker 3: a positive. This is a man that is now 3-1
[0:38] Speaker 3: in his first four games on the air because he nailed,
[0:42] Speaker 3: and I mean nailed, Temple plus the points against Toledo
[0:46] Speaker 3: last week.
[0:47] Speaker 4: 3-1, 75%. You're on a roll, big boy. How are you, coach?
[0:52] Speaker 2: I am well, boys. How are you two? You ready
[0:55] Speaker 2: for the Golden Gophers?
[0:57] Speaker 5: Yes.
[0:57] Speaker 3: We are. We are ready for the Golden Gophers. I
[0:59] Speaker 3: just hope the Huskies are ready for the Golden Gophers.
[1:02] Speaker 3: We'll chat about them in a second. Hey, before we
[1:05] Speaker 3: get going here, I want to play a clip for you. Tennessee,
[1:09] Speaker 3: Texas this weekend, and apparently President Trump is going to
[1:13] Speaker 3: be at the game. I want to play a clip
[1:15] Speaker 3: from Steve Sarkeesian here. I don't know if you've heard
[1:18] Speaker 3: this or not.
[1:19] Speaker 4: I want you to.
[1:19] Speaker 3: Listen to this clip, and you tell me if you
[1:22] Speaker 3: ever had to deal with this when you were coaching
[1:24] Speaker 3: in college football.
[1:25] Speaker 4: Jackson, go ahead.
[1:26] Speaker 5: The one thing that you have to be aware of
[1:28] Speaker 5: when the president goes to any game is that anytime
[1:31] Speaker 5: he enters the stadium or leaves the stadium or changes
[1:34] Speaker 5: locations within the stadium, they cut all communication. So they
[1:38] Speaker 5: cut your headsets. They cut headsets to coaches. They cut
[1:42] Speaker 5: headsets to coach-to-player communication. So you have to have a
[1:46] Speaker 5: plan for that if and or when, and you get
[1:48] Speaker 5: no warning. So that just gets cut out. So you
[1:50] Speaker 5: have to have a plan for that to adjust if
[1:53] Speaker 5: and or when he If he comes in middle of
[1:55] Speaker 5: the first quarter or leaves in the fourth quarter or
[1:58] Speaker 5: decides he's got to use the restroom, whatever that looks like,
[2:01] Speaker 5: you've got to be prepared to have no comms for
[2:04] Speaker 5: a short amount of time.
[2:06] Speaker 4: Okay, so that makes no sense to me, Rick.
[2:08] Speaker 3: You're telling me that fourth quarter, 35-35, two minutes to go,
[2:11] Speaker 3: Texas has the ball. Steve Sarkeesian calling a play. All right,
[2:14] Speaker 3: I want blue right. And they just cut it.
[2:19] Speaker 4: How does that make any sense?
[2:22] Speaker 2: Well, hopefully the president is such a football fan that
[2:24] Speaker 2: he won't want to leave when it's 35-35. But that's
[2:29] Speaker 2: a first for me. I had not heard that before.
[2:32] Speaker 2: It makes total security sense. Okay. But it is a–
[2:40] Speaker 2: that's a mind number in terms of trying to figure
[2:43] Speaker 2: out just being ready for comms to drop. Hand signals,
[2:48] Speaker 2: here we come again.
[2:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, so what would you do, you and Arch?
[2:51] Speaker 6: I mean, would this be a meeting that you would
[2:53] Speaker 6: have ahead of time and like, okay, here's what we're
[2:55] Speaker 6: going to do and what would the plan, what would
[2:57] Speaker 6: the new Heisel plan be?
[2:59] Speaker 2: Well, you just go back to your old way of communicating, right?
[3:03] Speaker 2: You have hand signals. You can have a wristband that
[3:06] Speaker 2: the quarterback wears. You can have, you know, run in
[3:10] Speaker 2: a player. The old days we used to rotate receivers, right?
[3:14] Speaker 2: Maybe somebody would run in with the play and away
[3:16] Speaker 2: you go. So there's lots of ways to still communicate.
[3:20] Speaker 2: I remember Terry Donahue at UCLA used to hate having
[3:25] Speaker 2: signals because some fan invariably would say, they're reading your signals.
[3:30] Speaker 2: They know what you're doing. So that's why we would
[3:33] Speaker 2: just keep running receivers back in and forth.
[3:35] Speaker 3: Well, Rick Neuheisel is with us. And, Coach, I want
[3:38] Speaker 3: to ask you about one of your old teams that
[3:40] Speaker 3: you coached. You know, it seems like when we talk
[3:42] Speaker 3: about your ex-teams, we talk a lot about UCLA. We
[3:44] Speaker 3: talk a lot about UW. But we don't often mention
[3:47] Speaker 3: what happened in Colorado where you had great success as
[3:50] Speaker 3: a youngster. I think you were like 17 years younger
[3:52] Speaker 3: than I am now when you were coaching in Colorado,
[3:55] Speaker 3: which is still.
[3:56] Speaker 4: Weird to me.
[3:56] Speaker 3: But how about your guy, Deion, man? I mean, remember
[3:59] Speaker 3: that big win over TCU? That feels like 1,000 years
[4:00] Speaker 3: ago now. For Deion Sanders, he's throwing guys off the
[4:04] Speaker 3: team down there. The fans are getting impatient. How much
[4:07] Speaker 3: longer do you think primetime hangs out in Boulder?
[4:11] Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. His health has been
[4:14] Speaker 2: an issue. But what he's done that I don't know
[4:17] Speaker 2: that can be done on any level of consistency is
[4:20] Speaker 2: he's recruited by the phone. He has not gone out
[4:24] Speaker 2: and created relationships with people before they get there. So
[4:28] Speaker 2: when they get there, he's kind of stuck with them.
[4:31] Speaker 2: And if they're not the kind of guys he thinks
[4:33] Speaker 2: that they should be, you're seeing what's happening. And you
[4:37] Speaker 2: just don't have that same glue that I think is
[4:41] Speaker 2: imperative to great football teams. When you walk out of
[4:45] Speaker 2: a locker room having just had a pregame talk, what's
[4:48] Speaker 2: the conversation after you leave? You've got to have those
[4:51] Speaker 2: leaders in there that are doing exactly. And it was
[4:54] Speaker 2: easier when it was his sons. or Suns in there.
[4:57] Speaker 2: Now you know who's behind you. But if you don't,
[5:00] Speaker 2: it's more troublesome. He's changed coordinators an awful lot. You know,
[5:05] Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see if Deion. But that game
[5:08] Speaker 2: against Baylor is a monster game for both programs because
[5:12] Speaker 2: Dave Aranda needs it in the worst way, and obviously
[5:14] Speaker 2: so does Coach Prime.
[5:16] Speaker 4: Rick, what would have.
[5:17] Speaker 6: Your instruction been to North Carolina State quarterback C.J. Bailey
[5:22] Speaker 6: before he took that snap near his goal line with
[5:24] Speaker 6: six seconds left against Vandy on Saturday where he fumbled
[5:27] Speaker 6: it in the end zone.
[5:28] Speaker 4: And lost the game? And what would you have told.
[5:30] Speaker 6: Him in the locker room after that loss to try
[5:33] Speaker 6: to save his rest of his season?
[5:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's two choices there. One is to build
[5:40] Speaker 2: a wing with a couple of tight ends to one side,
[5:43] Speaker 2: tell them to hold, and then you roll out. We
[5:46] Speaker 2: did this with Marcus Tuyasa-Sopo against Arizona State years ago,
[5:50] Speaker 2: and then you throw the ball as far out of
[5:52] Speaker 2: bounds as you can, as high as you can, because
[5:55] Speaker 2: the clock doesn't stop until the ball hits the ground.
[5:58] Speaker 2: And you can get seven seconds off. The clock showed six,
[6:01] Speaker 2: but that's risky when you're on the one-yard line. So
[6:04] Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done that. I would have done what
[6:07] Speaker 2: we would have taught, which is we're going to snap
[6:09] Speaker 2: at either Marcus or the punter. I think the punter
[6:12] Speaker 2: is safer. You put the punter back at the end
[6:15] Speaker 2: of the back of the end zone and then you
[6:16] Speaker 2: just hold and you build wings that just basically because
[6:20] Speaker 2: if you get a flag, the penalty is a safety.
[6:23] Speaker 2: You can give up the safety and you tell the
[6:25] Speaker 2: punter to hang in there until anybody gets close. And
[6:27] Speaker 2: then you step out of bounds with no one ever
[6:30] Speaker 2: touching you. I've never seen anybody say that it was
[6:33] Speaker 2: okay to tackle somebody because you can't practice that, especially
[6:37] Speaker 2: with your quarterback, and you can't sit there and take hits.
[6:41] Speaker 2: That's just putting the ball in a precarious position, and
[6:44] Speaker 2: obviously that was the case. It's an absolute nightmare for
[6:47] Speaker 2: Dave Dorn, who's a heck of a coach, and it's
[6:50] Speaker 2: a great win. I've never heard field goal block as
[6:55] Speaker 2: the call, and yet that was a genius call by
[6:57] Speaker 2: Clark Lee.
[6:58] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[6:59] Speaker 3: Rick Neuheisel with us, courtesy of Taco Time. Coach, I
[7:03] Speaker 3: know we got Minnesota Saturday, but I want to look
[7:06] Speaker 3: ahead just briefly to USC next weekend. Do you think
[7:11] Speaker 3: UW would have a better chance at victory against the
[7:14] Speaker 3: Trojans if they beat Oregon and they're all fat and
[7:16] Speaker 3: happy next Saturday?
[7:18] Speaker 4: Maybe they lose to Oregon, they're all pissed off next.
[7:21] Speaker 3: Saturday, or does this Saturday's game matter one iota for
[7:24] Speaker 3: UW's chances in the Coliseum next weekend?
[7:27] Speaker 2: Ideally, you'd have them fat and happy after a big
[7:32] Speaker 2: win over Oregon that kind of puts the nail in
[7:35] Speaker 2: the Oregon coffin for the CFP, at least for this fall,
[7:38] Speaker 2: especially if it were a one-sided victory, kind of like
[7:41] Speaker 2: that Oregon State game was. Although that wasn't a one-sided
[7:44] Speaker 2: on the scoreboard, it really was in the stat book.
[7:48] Speaker 2: I don't see that happening. I think so. I wouldn't
[7:51] Speaker 2: worry about it if I were Washington. What I'd be
[7:54] Speaker 2: worrying about if I were Washington is making sure that
[7:57] Speaker 2: I play fast because I watched Minnesota play on our
[8:01] Speaker 2: air the other day against Mississippi State, and they're not
[8:05] Speaker 2: fast enough to keep up with you defensively. That linebacker
[8:09] Speaker 2: level is not fast enough. So I got to play quick,
[8:13] Speaker 2: and I got to get balls into people's hands that
[8:16] Speaker 2: can go with it and see if I can't have
[8:19] Speaker 2: a big-time offensive day.
[8:21] Speaker 6: Well, the shootout of a game between USC and Oregon.
[8:24] Speaker 6: You can have one of these quarterbacks to go to
[8:26] Speaker 6: battle with in this game.
[8:27] Speaker 4: Which one are you taking?
[8:29] Speaker 2: I like them both, but I'm going to go with Dante.
[8:32] Speaker 2: I think Dante has more in the way of accuracy,
[8:38] Speaker 2: especially in a tight game. But I really like Jade Maiava,
[8:43] Speaker 2: and right now he's playing lights out. To me, though,
[8:47] Speaker 2: as much as the quarterbacks are going to be the story,
[8:50] Speaker 2: At the end of the day, when we look at
[8:51] Speaker 2: the statistics, it's going to be who was able to
[8:53] Speaker 2: run the ball. And I think Dan Lanning and his
[8:58] Speaker 2: new coordinator are more willing to run the ball if
[9:00] Speaker 2: they can. We saw Rutgers have some measure of success
[9:04] Speaker 2: last week. And I just don't know if Lincoln Riley
[9:07] Speaker 2: has the patience to do it. I think Lincoln's a
[9:10] Speaker 2: heck of a coach. But he ran for over 3,000
[9:14] Speaker 2: yards in each of the big-time seasons at Oklahoma. Since
[9:18] Speaker 2: he's been to USC, he's never run for 3,000. He
[9:22] Speaker 2: had 2,700 in Caleb's Heisman year, but since then it's
[9:26] Speaker 2: never been above 2,500. And in some of those years,
[9:29] Speaker 2: he's averaged five yards a carry. It's just kind of
[9:31] Speaker 2: like he feels like he needs to entertain rather than
[9:34] Speaker 2: just go win. And I just think that impatience is
[9:38] Speaker 2: going to cost him.
[9:40] Speaker 3: Coach, with the game on Saturday with Minnesota, talk to
[9:43] Speaker 3: us about Drake Lindsey, 6'5, 230. You know, Arkansas fans
[9:48] Speaker 3: are all pissed off because he's from Fayetteville, and they
[9:51] Speaker 3: didn't want him. And now he's in Minnesota, and Arkansas stinks.
[9:54] Speaker 3: So he's got that SEC blood in him. But, you know,
[9:57] Speaker 3: you mentioned with us, and I want to talk about
[9:59] Speaker 3: the quarterback too, but you mentioned last week, and I
[10:01] Speaker 3: don't know if you were maybe half sarcastic, you said,
[10:04] Speaker 3: let's go option football with DeMond Williams. Well, I asked
[10:06] Speaker 3: Jed Fish about calling more design runs for DeMond, and
[10:10] Speaker 3: he said no.
[10:11] Speaker 4: He said, we're not there yet.
[10:12] Speaker 3: He said, we don't mind the scrambles when things break down,
[10:16] Speaker 3: but we're not ready yet to call more design plays.
[10:18] Speaker 4: And it sounds like you might disagree with that.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Well, I just think it would open up the field
[10:25] Speaker 2: more for DeMott. It was a revelation that I didn't
[10:28] Speaker 2: realize was going to be part of the– offense as
[10:33] Speaker 2: we put in the beer with Marcus. But as it
[10:36] Speaker 2: opened up and we were able to run the ball
[10:39] Speaker 2: and help play a little defense with our offense, it
[10:42] Speaker 2: was incredible what happened in the back end and all
[10:45] Speaker 2: the opportunities that were created for all the receivers on
[10:49] Speaker 2: our team, the Chris Juergens of the world, the Wilbur
[10:51] Speaker 2: Hooks of the world. They were all down the field
[10:53] Speaker 2: making plays because you had to tackle the option every play,
[10:57] Speaker 2: whether we were running it or not. And I just
[11:00] Speaker 2: think that can be a weapon to get the running
[11:04] Speaker 2: game going so DeMond can be more back in balance.
[11:08] Speaker 2: You mentioned Drake Lindsey. He's a dropback guy. He's not
[11:11] Speaker 2: going to beat you with his legs. And for that reason,
[11:15] Speaker 2: if you can limit this running game, you can have
[11:18] Speaker 2: him back there. And this can be a big day
[11:19] Speaker 2: for the Husky pass rush.
[11:22] Speaker 6: Rick, how does Ole Miss refocus going into the Swamp
[11:26] Speaker 6: this week? It seems like a bit of a trap
[11:28] Speaker 6: game after what was, I mean, as emotional a regular
[11:31] Speaker 6: season win as you could probably ever have last week.
[11:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a hell of a game. That was
[11:37] Speaker 2: big-time college football. And congratulations to Ole Miss for pulling
[11:42] Speaker 2: it out in front of all those hottie-tottie fans. Listen,
[11:47] Speaker 2: the guy, Pete Golding, this is going to, I think,
[11:49] Speaker 2: be his eighth-game coach. coaching he he's played or maybe
[11:54] Speaker 2: it's his seventh six straight six six of the seven
[11:59] Speaker 2: have been ranked opponents yeah so he's sitting there with
[12:03] Speaker 2: a chance to have a sixth uh win over ranked
[12:07] Speaker 2: opponents which to me is an incredible feat when you
[12:10] Speaker 2: start looking at it uh they have to stop jayden
[12:13] Speaker 2: baugh the running back is off to a fast start
[12:16] Speaker 2: and john sumrall will bloody your nose if he can
[12:19] Speaker 2: running the football That being said, put the game in
[12:23] Speaker 2: Aaron Filo, the Gator quarterback's hands. Make him beat you.
[12:27] Speaker 2: And if you get that game between Filo and Trinidad Chambliss,
[12:31] Speaker 2: I like Chambliss's chances.
[12:33] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[12:34] Speaker 4: Well, you know what? All that is nice and good.
[12:36] Speaker 4: And the analysis is good. But let's face it. There's
[12:39] Speaker 4: a real reason why we have you on this show
[12:41] Speaker 4: every single week. He's doing his job, too. And it's
[12:44] Speaker 4: the taco time pick of the week. He's doing his job.
[12:46] Speaker 3: My wife has a shoe habit that needs to be
[12:48] Speaker 3: fed every single week. I mean, the woman has about
[12:51] Speaker 3: 150 pairs of shoes. I don't know what Susan's doing
[12:53] Speaker 3: these days, but it's out of control.
[12:55] Speaker 4: All right? I'm going to go with a Chicken Caesar
[12:57] Speaker 4: soft taco.
[12:58] Speaker 2: Cheese the Imelda Marcos of KJR.
[13:00] Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying?
[13:02] Speaker 2: 100%.
[13:02] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm tripping over these things, Rick. It's unbelievable, man.
[13:06] Speaker 3: So I'm going with a Chicken Caesar soft taco. Last month,
[13:09] Speaker 3: last couple weeks for the Chicken Caesar soft taco. At
[13:12] Speaker 3: taco time, to go 4-1 and off to an 80% start.
[13:15] Speaker 4: Who do you like?
[13:18] Speaker 2: All right. I got my eye on that under in
[13:21] Speaker 2: the Michigan-Iowa game. Just a little sprinkle. I got... I
[13:26] Speaker 2: got my eye on the over. If Haas Haney plays
[13:28] Speaker 2: for Colorado State, I like the over in their game.
[13:32] Speaker 2: But I'm going with the team we just mentioned. I'm
[13:35] Speaker 2: going with Trinidad Chambliss. Give me three and a half
[13:38] Speaker 2: in the swamp. Listen, I can see Florida winning, but
[13:41] Speaker 2: I can't see them winning by more than a field goal.
[13:44] Speaker 2: but I'm taking Ole Miss. Give me those three and
[13:47] Speaker 2: a half, and I'll be happy all day long.
[13:49] Speaker 4: All right, Ole Miss minus the points.
[13:52] Speaker 3: It's going to be plus the points at Florida this
[13:54] Speaker 3: weekend on ABC at 1230.
[13:57] Speaker 4: Rick, great stuff. Love it. Go get them. We'll talk
[13:59] Speaker 4: in a week, man. Appreciate it, pal.
[14:01] Speaker 2: I look forward to it, boys. See you now.
[14:04] Speaker 3: All right, Rick Neuheisel, three and one so far, likes
[14:06] Speaker 3: Ole Miss and the three and a half at Florida.
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[15:19] Speaker 6: All right, well, I was thinking about going with the Chargers.
[15:22] Speaker 6: I think that's the right side. But there is a
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[17:33] Speaker 3: to break a little fun with audio, and then Mike
[17:35] Speaker 3: Holmgren will join at 4 as we continue from the
[17:38] Speaker 3: 520 Bar and Grill on 93.3 KJRFM.

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