# Jon Wilner on UW’s Bad Offense, Oregon, Lanning, Texas, Apple Cup

An episode of [Softy & Dick Interviews](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1245866571), 16 Sep 2026, 22 min.

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Jon Wilner of The San Jose Mercury News and Wilner Hotline joins Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain to talk about UW’s offensive woes right now and their playoff hopes with the poor offense, the lack of an Offensive Coordinator, plus Oregon’s embarrassing loss and Dan Lanning’s behavior, Texas’ media behavior, the Apple Cup future, and his pick. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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[1:24] Speaker 3: like you will find your way and we have confidence
[1:26] Speaker 3: that you will find your way as a handicapper, will
[1:29] Speaker 3: the Husky offense find their way? very soon with the
[1:33] Speaker 3: Mon Williams and this broken down running game and underperforming
[1:38] Speaker 3: offensive line. What do you think you see from the
[1:40] Speaker 3: dogs after two weeks against wazoo and Utah state pal?
[1:44] Speaker 4: Uh, that's pretty grim at this point.
[1:48] Speaker 5: I don't know that you can kind of make it, uh,
[1:52] Speaker 5: sugarcoat it at this, you know, based on what's going
[1:55] Speaker 5: on on the field, what's going on in the injury tent, uh,
[2:00] Speaker 5: certainly the injuries have.
[2:01] Speaker 4: Played a role, but I think that there's a lot,
[2:03] Speaker 4: there's a lot wrong. It's everything. You don't have a
[2:07] Speaker 4: situation like this with just one thing. It's everything.
[2:12] Speaker 5: Nothing is happening right for them. I don't think Williams is,
[2:17] Speaker 5: you know, doesn't look comfortable. The line's having trouble. They
[2:19] Speaker 5: can't run the ball. And I don't, you know, I
[2:21] Speaker 5: don't know that they've got enough playmakers at receiver to
[2:24] Speaker 5: compensate for those things. I, it's just kind.
[2:27] Speaker 4: Of bad all around.
[2:28] Speaker 5: Now there's plenty of time, But the competition is going
[2:31] Speaker 5: to get a lot tougher. I mean, Idaho State scored
[2:34] Speaker 5: 29 on Utah State, and the Huskies scored 16.
[2:36] Speaker 6: So have you seen enough to declare it's over? I mean,
[2:41] Speaker 6: straight up, is it over for us to have playoff
[2:45] Speaker 6: hopes for the Washington Huskies in 2026?
[2:47] Speaker 5: I'd say it's a medically induced coma.
[2:53] Speaker 4: Not totally over. Wow.
[2:55] Speaker 3: Jeez.
[2:55] Speaker 4: There's still, there's still.
[2:56] Speaker 5: Time, but, but it's, I mean, you look at them
[2:59] Speaker 5: and you've got to think, all right, how, how is
[3:01] Speaker 5: the offense going to improve enough to win some of
[3:06] Speaker 5: the games they got coming up?
[3:07] Speaker 2: Right.
[3:08] Speaker 5: I mean, USC, Ohio in Oregon. I, well, we can
[3:13] Speaker 5: talk about the docs, but Indiana, there's just too many games.
[3:16] Speaker 4: They got to get to 10 and two.
[3:18] Speaker 6: Right.
[3:18] Speaker 5: I don't see how they can get with what we've seen.
[3:21] Speaker 5: I don't see how they get to 10 and two
[3:24] Speaker 5: at this point.
[3:24] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:25] Speaker 3: Well, we were talking the last hour with Greg and Mario, John.
[3:28] Speaker 3: You met them. You hung out with them. You broke
[3:29] Speaker 3: bread with them. Yeah, the honks. About the over-under 7.5
[3:33] Speaker 3: on Washington. So we've gone from debating whether or not
[3:36] Speaker 3: they could win 10 to make the CFP to whether
[3:40] Speaker 3: or not they can win 8 and hit the over
[3:43] Speaker 3: this year. So that shows you kind of where we're at.
[3:46] Speaker 3: after two games but you know go back to what
[3:48] Speaker 3: you were talking about with the multiple layers of problems
[3:51] Speaker 3: now with the football team the run game the pass
[3:54] Speaker 3: game I think you may have written about this or
[3:56] Speaker 3: talked about this Jed Fish doesn't in name have an
[3:59] Speaker 3: offensive coordinator he's got JP Lossman on his staff as
[4:04] Speaker 3: the quarterback's coach he's got Matt Cavanaugh as a senior
[4:07] Speaker 3: offensive assistant, Kevin Cummings as the pass game coordinator. But
[4:11] Speaker 3: there is no offensive coordinator in name on this team.
[4:15] Speaker 3: Is that a problem, you think?
[4:19] Speaker 5: I think that it is something they are going to
[4:21] Speaker 5: need to look at very, very closely in the offseason
[4:25] Speaker 5: if this doesn't improve markedly. Because it's not just a
[4:30] Speaker 5: two-game sample size here. We got 12 games from last year.
[4:35] Speaker 5: And we all know what happened when they played defenses
[4:39] Speaker 5: that had equivalent.
[4:41] Speaker 4: Or more talent, they couldn't do anything.
[4:44] Speaker 5: And now if they go through a second season where
[4:47] Speaker 5: they're struggling against the, the real good teams on their schedule,
[4:51] Speaker 5: I think that they're going to have to look at it.
[4:53] Speaker 5: I don't expect that fish is going to make any
[4:54] Speaker 5: changes in season at all, but I think you get
[4:58] Speaker 5: to December and they haven't, you know, improved much from
[5:03] Speaker 5: last year.
[5:04] Speaker 4: And, He's going to have to look at that.
[5:06] Speaker 5: The thing is, the head coaching role is so different
[5:09] Speaker 5: now than it was even three or four years ago.
[5:12] Speaker 4: I just, I don't know.
[5:13] Speaker 5: I think you've got to have somebody who is completely
[5:16] Speaker 5: focused on your offense and doesn't also have to do
[5:19] Speaker 5: press conferences and go talk to donors and do media stuff.
[5:24] Speaker 4: Anyhow, that's just my thought.
[5:26] Speaker 7: I don't disagree with that at all.
[5:28] Speaker 6: I do think, though, that there's been a lot of
[5:30] Speaker 6: Jed Fish play calls that have resulted in wide open
[5:35] Speaker 6: wide receivers, wide open running back like Trey Cooley out
[5:39] Speaker 6: of the flat with an entire half of a field
[5:42] Speaker 6: to run for a touchdown. and those guys aren't making
[5:45] Speaker 6: the plays. So I'm wondering, at what point do we
[5:48] Speaker 6: give Jed a break, one, because he's without a receiver
[5:52] Speaker 6: and is starting two running backs, and two, that he's
[5:55] Speaker 6: calling these plays that aren't working and the guys just
[5:59] Speaker 6: aren't making the plays?
[6:02] Speaker 4: Well, true. I mean, the personnel is definitely an issue.
[6:05] Speaker 5: That's why I said it's everything. It's never one thing
[6:08] Speaker 5: when you got this many, when it's this bad, right? But,
[6:12] Speaker 5: It's also Washington State and Utah State. So I think
[6:17] Speaker 5: we need to wait and see what happens when they
[6:20] Speaker 5: do play.
[6:22] Speaker 4: They got Iowa. They got Penn State, USC, UCLA, I think.
[6:28] Speaker 4: So let's see.
[6:28] Speaker 5: But again, they struggled to score for, what, 50 minutes
[6:34] Speaker 5: against the Cougars? Kansas State just rolled up 34 on
[6:39] Speaker 5: Washington State. They struggled to score against Iowa.
[6:42] Speaker 4: Utah State.
[6:43] Speaker 5: Idaho State scored 29 on them. So they have not
[6:48] Speaker 5: played very good opponents, and they're struggling.
[6:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree with that, with what both
[6:53] Speaker 3: you guys are saying. I do think some of this
[6:55] Speaker 3: is on the players, but I also think even if
[6:57] Speaker 3: those guys make those plays that we're talking about, Des Roebuck,
[7:01] Speaker 3: Trey Cooley, Wright, whatever, it's still way too much of
[7:04] Speaker 3: a grind. It should not be that hard. It's not
[7:08] Speaker 3: like those two plays would have equaled 50 points and
[7:11] Speaker 3: the Huskies win the game by 60 on Saturday. They
[7:14] Speaker 3: still are in this unbelievable grind to win these games
[7:18] Speaker 3: with Utah State and Washington State. I've got maybe a
[7:22] Speaker 3: little more hope for the pass game, John, than I
[7:24] Speaker 3: do the run game. Dick asked you to call it
[7:28] Speaker 3: right now. I think their run game is in a
[7:30] Speaker 3: massive amount of trouble. I am big time freaked out
[7:33] Speaker 3: about their run game, right? They got their top two
[7:35] Speaker 3: guys are out. And even with those guys healthy, I
[7:38] Speaker 3: don't know how much of a difference it really would
[7:40] Speaker 3: have made. So what happened? I mean, you mentioned the
[7:42] Speaker 3: multiple levels. Is it the coordinator thing? Is that this
[7:45] Speaker 3: team was pumped up too much? The line is not
[7:48] Speaker 3: as good as we thought. The quarterback is regressing. I mean,
[7:51] Speaker 3: give us kind of your pie chart. Like how much
[7:55] Speaker 3: percentage would the coach get? How much percentage would the
[7:57] Speaker 3: quarterback get? The line, the talent, break it down for me.
[8:01] Speaker 6: Well, that's, yeah.
[8:03] Speaker 5: I mean, it does all start up front, but that's also,
[8:09] Speaker 5: starting up front includes coaching on a day-to-day basis, includes
[8:15] Speaker 5: talent evaluation and player development. It's not just how are
[8:19] Speaker 5: those five guys doing for 60 minutes on Saturday.
[8:23] Speaker 4: So much goes.
[8:24] Speaker 5: Into creating an effective offense against players high level of opposition.
[8:32] Speaker 4: That's the thing.
[8:33] Speaker 5: I mean, they can't run the ball. What's going to
[8:35] Speaker 5: happen against Iowa. If they can't run the ball, right.
[8:38] Speaker 5: That's going to affect the passing game because it's all connected.
[8:41] Speaker 4: What to me, I look at them right now.
[8:43] Speaker 5: And I think their best play is when DeMond Williams
[8:45] Speaker 5: has to just make something out.
[8:46] Speaker 4: Of nothing with his legs.
[8:48] Speaker 5: But that is not a strategy that gets you to
[8:52] Speaker 5: 10 wins. That is a desperation plan B that gets
[8:57] Speaker 5: you to seven and five.
[8:58] Speaker 7: Well, it's also a strategy to get your quarterback knocked
[9:00] Speaker 7: out in week four.
[9:02] Speaker 3: Right.
[9:03] Speaker 4: Yes.
[9:04] Speaker 6: But John Wilner joining us. John, let's talk a little
[9:07] Speaker 6: bit about the defense. I mean, we always harp on
[9:11] Speaker 6: the negative, right? Is the defense as advertised?
[9:17] Speaker 5: It's hard to know, given the opposition. Washington State has
[9:20] Speaker 5: the worst offense in the country.
[9:22] Speaker 4: I mean, 138th out of 138 in scoring.
[9:28] Speaker 6: And yards well but half of those games are against
[9:31] Speaker 6: the huskies i mean half the reason is because they
[9:34] Speaker 6: played washington probably.
[9:37] Speaker 5: Well they then they only scored seven against kansas state
[9:40] Speaker 5: right i so i don't know i think the defense
[9:44] Speaker 5: is pretty good i really do i thought the defense
[9:47] Speaker 5: was better than avatar expected last year and better coached
[9:51] Speaker 5: than the offense and i think the same thing's probably
[9:54] Speaker 5: going to play out this year and what does the
[9:55] Speaker 5: defense have It does have a full-time coordinator.
[9:59] Speaker 4: And he's very good.
[10:01] Speaker 5: And he was very good when he was a coordinator
[10:03] Speaker 5: previously in the Big Ten.
[10:05] Speaker 7: I don't know.
[10:06] Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's all Jed Fish, you know, not
[10:10] Speaker 5: having an offensive coordinator. There's a lot to it, but
[10:13] Speaker 5: I do think that they are going to have to
[10:14] Speaker 5: evaluate that in the offseason if nothing changes.
[10:18] Speaker 4: The defense.
[10:19] Speaker 5: is good enough to keep them in a lot of games.
[10:22] Speaker 5: I think from what we saw last year, what we've
[10:24] Speaker 5: seen this year, the way some of these guys are playing,
[10:27] Speaker 5: but you also get to the point when your offense
[10:29] Speaker 5: is not producing.
[10:31] Speaker 4: The defense just wears down over the course of the season.
[10:33] Speaker 5: Because every possession is like, we can't afford to give
[10:37] Speaker 5: up a touchdown or we're going to lose the game.
[10:39] Speaker 5: And that mentally wears on those guys.
[10:41] Speaker 3: Well, what you need right now is the defense to
[10:43] Speaker 3: give you some real breaks, give you short fields, put
[10:47] Speaker 3: the offense in a position where they can get some
[10:49] Speaker 3: easy scores. And that's going to be what you'll ask
[10:51] Speaker 3: them to do maybe the entire year if this keeps
[10:54] Speaker 3: up with the offense. But John Willner is with us. John,
[10:57] Speaker 3: you mentioned Oregon. Oregon goes to Stillwater, Oklahoma, and they
[11:01] Speaker 3: get their ass kicked. Honestly, like the score doesn't even
[11:04] Speaker 3: show how bad that game was. They gave up like
[11:07] Speaker 3: over 250 yards rushing to Oklahoma State, 500 yards of offense.
[11:12] Speaker 3: They got destroyed in that game. How shocking was that
[11:15] Speaker 3: to see that happen in Stillwater by a team that
[11:18] Speaker 3: lost to Tulsa last week?
[11:20] Speaker 5: A team that lost to Tulsa scored 10 points against Tulsa,
[11:24] Speaker 5: gained like 250 yards, then scores 39 points. and gains
[11:29] Speaker 5: 550 yards against Oregon that has a defense with like
[11:34] Speaker 5: eight future NFL draft picks, right? It was shocking. And
[11:38] Speaker 5: I was thinking about it over the weekend. Well, if
[11:40] Speaker 5: you're a Washington fan, at least you're.
[11:42] Speaker 4: Not Oregon, right? I mean, you guys got it good
[11:46] Speaker 4: in that regard. You're 2-0. And the Ducks are in
[11:49] Speaker 4: a world of hurt. They've got a lot of problems.
[11:54] Speaker 5: Dan Lanning, I think, made two big mistakes when he
[11:57] Speaker 5: promoted from within with his coordinators. Their offensive line, kind
[12:03] Speaker 5: of like Washington's offensive line, that's a problem spot. They
[12:09] Speaker 5: don't look fully engaged. They have played eight quarters, and
[12:13] Speaker 5: six of them they've gotten a tar kicked out of them.
[12:16] Speaker 4: Because Boise State dominated the first half. Yeah. So here you've.
[12:19] Speaker 5: Got a team picked to contend for the title. What
[12:22] Speaker 5: were they, number two or three preseason? You know, $ 40
[12:26] Speaker 5: million roster, pros all over the place, and they stink.
[12:32] Speaker 5: And Dan Lanning does not have a lot of time
[12:34] Speaker 5: to figure it out because they've got to go to
[12:36] Speaker 5: the Coliseum in 10 days, 12 days. And USC looks
[12:41] Speaker 5: pretty good. And then Washington goes in, what, the week after,
[12:45] Speaker 5: I think?
[12:45] Speaker 4: Right.
[12:47] Speaker 5: I think that Oregon has got a big, big problem,
[12:52] Speaker 5: and Lanning does not have much time to solve it.
[12:55] Speaker 6: What did you make of Dan Lanning snapping at the
[12:57] Speaker 6: media who challenged him by not having Dante Moore available?
[13:01] Speaker 5: Yeah, I did not think that was Dan's best moment
[13:04] Speaker 5: at all. You know, when he said it, we got
[13:08] Speaker 5: our ass kicked. When you get your ass kicked, tempers
[13:11] Speaker 5: get short, frustration mounts. That was not his finest moment
[13:16] Speaker 5: at all. The media didn't do anything wrong. The media
[13:20] Speaker 5: was told Dante Moore's not available. That's all they knew.
[13:23] Speaker 5: So they wrote that he was not available. They didn't
[13:26] Speaker 5: know that he was getting an IV. Oregon should have
[13:28] Speaker 5: told them that.
[13:29] Speaker 6: Right.
[13:29] Speaker 5: Lanning certainly should not have jumped on the reporters the
[13:32] Speaker 5: way he did with that condescension.
[13:33] Speaker 4: I thought that was poor form on his part.
[13:36] Speaker 3: No, no doubt. When he said, do you think you
[13:38] Speaker 3: should know that he's getting an IV? Yes, yes. Or
[13:41] Speaker 3: at least tell the media he's dealing with a medical
[13:43] Speaker 3: situation and he's not available. And then you're done. I mean,
[13:46] Speaker 3: I was telling Dick on the air last hour that
[13:48] Speaker 3: I put that squarely on the shoulders of the Oregon
[13:51] Speaker 3: sports information staff. I mean, where were these people to
[13:55] Speaker 3: tell them what was going on with Dante Moore? And
[13:57] Speaker 3: then I had the same reaction to Sark on the
[14:01] Speaker 3: Texas Ohio state game Saturday night when he blows off
[14:05] Speaker 3: Holly row, where's the Texas PR guy, you know, making
[14:08] Speaker 3: him stay there to do that postgame interview.
[14:11] Speaker 6: Yup.
[14:12] Speaker 4: That no, absolutely.
[14:14] Speaker 5: The Oregon thing is basically just comprehensive.
[14:18] Speaker 4: Shell shock is my guess is what was going on, right?
[14:20] Speaker 5: They get, they get off the field in Stillwater and,
[14:24] Speaker 5: and they are just, you know, their, their skulls are
[14:27] Speaker 5: getting crushed by what's happened. And, I think that was
[14:32] Speaker 5: a bad breakdown and the media did nothing wrong. And Lanning,
[14:36] Speaker 5: my guess is you catch Lanning a couple of weeks
[14:39] Speaker 5: or whatever and he looks back and he would probably say, yeah,
[14:42] Speaker 5: I probably went overboard on that.
[14:44] Speaker 6: What's your take on the Sark situation, both at halftime, postgame,
[14:49] Speaker 6: Arch Manning?
[14:50] Speaker 7: Did he have to apologize? Just your thought on the
[14:54] Speaker 7: whole thing.
[14:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I did not actually see the halftime situation.
[15:02] Speaker 3: Laura Rutledge said it was on ESPN because they took
[15:06] Speaker 3: too long to get to him, so they took ownership.
[15:08] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which.
[15:09] Speaker 5: Was good of Laura to explain that. You know, Sark
[15:17] Speaker 5: should not have done that with Holly Rowe.
[15:19] Speaker 4: You know, she is.
[15:21] Speaker 5: A terrific sideline reporter who I think warrants a little
[15:25] Speaker 5: bit more respect but at the same time you're in
[15:27] Speaker 5: the heat of the moment and that kind of stuff
[15:30] Speaker 5: can happen i generally think sark's a pretty good guy
[15:33] Speaker 5: and uh that's not really representative of kind of who
[15:37] Speaker 5: he is the arch thing oh man that's tough uh
[15:42] Speaker 5: you know that ai deal that's that's bad that was
[15:46] Speaker 5: handled poorly arch give arch credit for at least He
[15:50] Speaker 5: apologized thoroughly on Instagram. You know, he's whatever, 20 years old,
[15:54] Speaker 5: he made a mistake. So that's kind of their point.
[15:57] Speaker 4: There's a lot, huh?
[15:58] Speaker 5: There's a lot of media stuff, a lot of, a
[16:00] Speaker 5: lot off the field stuff going on in these games.
[16:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Well, John Warner's with us. Courtesy is
[16:06] Speaker 3: simply seattle.com. Be sure and use code KJR 15 for 15%
[16:10] Speaker 3: off anything on the website. John, before we get to
[16:12] Speaker 3: your vote, Dick's got one more too. I know ESPN
[16:15] Speaker 3: took some guff, some flack for putting Ted Cruz on
[16:19] Speaker 3: the air on college game day to promote the protect
[16:22] Speaker 3: college sports act. And then the NAACP came out and said, well,
[16:27] Speaker 3: what about our response? Because they're against it, by the way.
[16:30] Speaker 3: Did ESPN make a mistake putting Ted Cruz on the air?
[16:34] Speaker 3: And can you explain kind of where we're at with
[16:36] Speaker 3: this thing right now?
[16:39] Speaker 4: They did make a mistake. except for the fact that
[16:42] Speaker 4: the first word in the name ESPN is entertainment, right?
[16:47] Speaker 4: I mean, it is not. People forget that a lot.
[16:50] Speaker 5: And the entertainment often is more important to them than
[16:54] Speaker 5: the sports.
[16:55] Speaker 4: And it's certainly not, you know, you can't.
[16:58] Speaker 5: Look there for ethical and fair journalism all the time.
[17:01] Speaker 5: Crew should never have been given that kind of platform
[17:05] Speaker 5: without ESPN. the opposition on the bill being given equal time.
[17:12] Speaker 3: Where are we on the bill?
[17:13] Speaker 5: It passed the first of several procedural votes today. I
[17:18] Speaker 5: believe there will be a floor vote on the Senate
[17:20] Speaker 5: next week.
[17:21] Speaker 4: That's where it's tracking. I think it will pass the Senate.
[17:25] Speaker 4: I think it's got a ton of hurdles in the House.
[17:28] Speaker 5: And You know, the anti-expansion piece is still in there.
[17:33] Speaker 5: I don't think it'll make it all the way through,
[17:35] Speaker 5: but as of right now, it is still in there.
[17:37] Speaker 6: All right.
[17:38] Speaker 3: Well, before we get your pick, it is time for
[17:40] Speaker 3: one more edition of What Are You Talking About, Wilner?
[17:47] Speaker 3: Dick Fane, what do you got?
[17:48] Speaker 4: We haven't done this in a while.
[17:49] Speaker 3: No, we haven't. We haven't. Dick's been worked up about
[17:52] Speaker 3: this for weeks, by the way. When he gets pissed off,
[17:56] Speaker 3: you better watch out.
[17:56] Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was like middle of last week,
[17:58] Speaker 6: right after we had you on.
[18:00] Speaker 7: I'll just read a quote from John Wilner.
[18:02] Speaker 6: Quote, so in the spirit of thinking out loud, we wonder,
[18:06] Speaker 6: could the Huskies decide they don't want to risk an
[18:10] Speaker 6: in-state non-conference.
[18:12] Speaker 7: Loss by extending the Apple Cup?
[18:15] Speaker 6: So now it's Washington that might be afraid of Washington
[18:17] Speaker 6: State because they could.
[18:20] Speaker 7: Lose to the Cougars.
[18:22] Speaker 6: Isn't the trajectory of the Huskies and the trajectory of
[18:25] Speaker 6: the Cougars just going to continue to go opposite directions
[18:28] Speaker 6: over the next 10.
[18:28] Speaker 7: Years and make it even harder for the Cougars to win?
[18:33] Speaker 5: Probably, but that was a tough game the other day,
[18:36] Speaker 5: and it cost Washington a lot of bodies with the injuries.
[18:41] Speaker 5: And I did not expect that.
[18:43] Speaker 4: Right.
[18:43] Speaker 5: I mean, given what happened last year, I kind of
[18:45] Speaker 5: figured Washington would win handily. Now, I believe I wrote
[18:48] Speaker 5: that before the Apple Cup itself. I can't remember specifically,
[18:54] Speaker 5: but I you know, I think that there's a lot
[18:56] Speaker 5: of decisions that need to be made for both schools
[19:01] Speaker 5: when you're talking about whether that series needs to should continue.
[19:04] Speaker 5: It's not just black and white for both. And one
[19:09] Speaker 5: of the questions for the Huskies is, you know, competitively,
[19:12] Speaker 5: is it worth it? It's kind of a lose-lose because
[19:16] Speaker 5: if they win, they're supposed to win. And if they lose,
[19:18] Speaker 5: all hell breaks loose. So they got to consider that
[19:22] Speaker 5: piece of it, I think.
[19:22] Speaker 3: All right, John, real quick, before we let you go,
[19:25] Speaker 3: let's face it, the real reason why we have you
[19:27] Speaker 3: on the air. I mean, the previous 22 minutes are fine,
[19:30] Speaker 3: but they pale in comparison to the importance of Wilner's winner.
[19:34] Speaker 3: We have big-time, legitimate, degenerate gamblers that tune into this
[19:39] Speaker 3: radio show every day, every week.
[19:42] Speaker 4: Good for them.
[19:42] Speaker 3: To hear your pick. You lost your way slightly with
[19:46] Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh game last week. Almost got it done.
[19:49] Speaker 4: Wait, I picked Pittsburgh.
[19:50] Speaker 3: Ucf you did you did yeah yeah that's what i
[19:55] Speaker 3: got written down am i wrong on that if i'm
[19:57] Speaker 3: wrong then i.
[19:58] Speaker 4: Apologize Oh, that's all right. You know what?
[20:01] Speaker 6: I think you picked the Texas game in the segment,
[20:04] Speaker 6: but your official pick was the Pittsburgh.
[20:05] Speaker 3: Hang on a second. I think you may be right.
[20:08] Speaker 3: I may have misread or misprinted Neuheisel's pick for Willner's pick.
[20:15] Speaker 3: So can we go back and listen real quick?
[20:17] Speaker 6: Wow.
[20:18] Speaker 3: While we do that. We're going to go to the
[20:20] Speaker 3: booth here, John. We will get a. And review it.
[20:22] Speaker 3: We're going to go to New York.
[20:23] Speaker 4: I hope it's not the Big Ten booth.
[20:25] Speaker 3: All right.
[20:25] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[20:25] Speaker 3: Well, we're going to add an extra second just for you.
[20:28] Speaker 3: And we're going to go check last week. So while
[20:30] Speaker 3: you're doing that, Jackson, while you're doing that, let's get
[20:33] Speaker 3: your pick for this week. Who do you like and why?
[20:37] Speaker 4: Well, I actually like two games.
[20:38] Speaker 5: I kind of like New Mexico getting like 23 at Oklahoma.
[20:42] Speaker 3: Okay.
[20:42] Speaker 5: But I will go officially with Arizona State. in the
[20:47] Speaker 5: Union Jack game in London to cover against Kansas. I
[20:51] Speaker 5: think ASU is a real threat to win the Big 12.
[20:54] Speaker 5: I was very impressed with them. They lost by 28
[20:57] Speaker 5: at A & M, but that's because they threw two
[20:59] Speaker 5: fourth-quarter pick sixes. I think ASU's good, and Dillingham, for
[21:05] Speaker 5: my money, he does as well with what he's got
[21:08] Speaker 5: as any coach.
[21:08] Speaker 4: So give me the Sun Devils.
[21:09] Speaker 3: All right, we've got some good news and bad news
[21:11] Speaker 3: for you, John. The bad news is, or the good
[21:14] Speaker 3: news is, I was wrong and you were right. You
[21:16] Speaker 3: picked the Texas game. Bad news is you still lost
[21:19] Speaker 3: because they won by one. Oh, it was one and
[21:21] Speaker 3: a half.
[21:22] Speaker 4: Oh, wow. It was one and a half? And they
[21:25] Speaker 4: won by one.
[21:26] Speaker 3: You're given a point and a half, but we're taking
[21:29] Speaker 3: ASU minus the five and a half against Kansas this weekend.
[21:34] Speaker 3: All right, John, great stuff.
[21:35] Speaker 4: That was a hell of a game. That was a
[21:37] Speaker 4: hell of a game.
[21:37] Speaker 3: Well, did you see how many people tuned in to
[21:39] Speaker 3: watch it? 15 million. Watch that thing on Saturday night. Unbelievable.
[21:45] Speaker 3: All right, John, you're.
[21:46] Speaker 5: The highest audience, highest audience for ESPN for regular season
[21:50] Speaker 5: game ever.
[21:51] Speaker 3: Crazy bananas.
[21:52] Speaker 1: All right.
[21:52] Speaker 3: You're the best. We'll talk in a week. See you, man.
[21:55] Speaker 4: Thanks, guys.
[21:56] Speaker 3: Yeah, he had the Texas game. He still lost. It
[21:59] Speaker 3: was Neuheisel, I'm sorry, that had the Pittsburgh game. So
[22:02] Speaker 3: they both lost, but they lost different games. All right,
[22:05] Speaker 3: we're going to break. Brian Schmetzer, speaking of losing, he
[22:08] Speaker 3: keeps losing players, dude. What is going on with the
[22:11] Speaker 3: injury bug in this town? 545 on 93.3 KJRFM.

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