# Mike Holmgren on Hawks, Collinsworth Joins: Softy and Dick 10-22 Hour 2

An episode of [Softy & Dick Interviews](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1245866571), 23 Oct 2026, 54 min.

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In the second hour, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain sit down with Mike Holmgren as they discuss the state of the Seahawks at 3-3, Kenneth Walker not coming back, Zach Charbonnet returning, Seattle’s defense, Sam Darnold’s issues, NFL news, and the KC Chiefs game ahead, plus NBC broadcaster Cris Collinsworth joins to discuss all of that. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[1:07] Speaker 2: Our friend, Super Bowl champion head coach Mike Holmgren. How
[1:10] Speaker 2: are you, man?
[1:11] Speaker 4: Hey, I'm good. It's good. It really is good seeing
[1:13] Speaker 4: you guys, too. It's been too long.
[1:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. How was the river cruise,
[1:18] Speaker 2: by the way?
[1:18] Speaker 4: It was good. It was good. I didn't eat too much.
[1:23] Speaker 2: Bad idea.
[1:24] Speaker 4: Well, the southern food, you know, is spicy and They
[1:27] Speaker 4: fry a lot. The chicken's good, though. Yeah, yeah.
[1:30] Speaker 5: Oh, jeez.
[1:30] Speaker 3: You still get recognized, by the way, across the country?
[1:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened. It happened on the boat, and I was, yeah.
[1:37] Speaker 4: I love it.
[1:38] Speaker 2: Good.
[1:38] Speaker 3: Don't act like you don't love it, by the way.
[1:40] Speaker 2: All right?
[1:41] Speaker 4: Well, there are times.
[1:42] Speaker 2: There are times.
[1:42] Speaker 4: If I'm in the middle of eating dinner, and someone
[1:45] Speaker 4: wants to grab the food off my fork.
[1:47] Speaker 2: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
[1:50] Speaker 3: Well, somebody will think you're Wilford Brimley at some point.
[1:52] Speaker 3: You'll say, what the hell's going on here? Well, there's
[1:54] Speaker 3: a lot to catch up on. I mean, let's just get,
[1:56] Speaker 3: first of all, your thoughts overall on this 3-3 start
[1:59] Speaker 3: by the Seahawks. Remember Dick and I talking over the
[2:01] Speaker 3: offseason that, man, this schedule is not easy, and they
[2:04] Speaker 3: could easily lose as many games in the first eight
[2:06] Speaker 3: games as they lost all last year, and we were wrong.
[2:09] Speaker 2: It happened in the first six games of the year.
[2:11] Speaker 3: So the view from 40,000 feet, what's going on here
[2:14] Speaker 3: in Seattle, man?
[2:14] Speaker 4: Well, I know it's disappointing to Mike. It's disappointing to...
[2:19] Speaker 4: the fans because they really have, I would say you
[2:22] Speaker 4: break it down. They really have a good defense. Okay.
[2:25] Speaker 4: There you go there now. So complimentary offense and they
[2:29] Speaker 4: would be undefeated. I mean, it wouldn't be, it'd be
[2:33] Speaker 4: the same as a lot of the teams in the league.
[2:36] Speaker 4: So I think that they miscalculated in my opinion, uh,
[2:42] Speaker 4: on their offensive line, uh, You know, Dick might not
[2:47] Speaker 4: agree with me. I forget how we, because we rarely
[2:49] Speaker 4: agree on these things. But, you know, I would have
[2:54] Speaker 4: tried to keep Walker. Somehow, someway, I would have tried
[2:56] Speaker 4: to keep him. I thought he was, he showed up
[3:00] Speaker 4: last season at the end when they gave him the
[3:03] Speaker 4: ball a lot.
[3:04] Speaker 1: Right.
[3:04] Speaker 4: And now look at him. So that's another piece. The
[3:08] Speaker 4: tight ends not getting involved enough in the passing game,
[3:10] Speaker 4: in my opinion, and the wide receivers, they got one guy.
[3:14] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[3:14] Speaker 4: Right now. They've got one guy. And so playing offense,
[3:18] Speaker 4: and then I'm not even talking about Sam yet, but,
[3:22] Speaker 4: you know, he's turned the ball over too much.
[3:26] Speaker 5: Why?
[3:27] Speaker 4: I'd have to study film and really look at it hard,
[3:29] Speaker 4: but that would be my number one thing to do
[3:32] Speaker 4: if I was still coaching.
[3:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.
[3:34] Speaker 6: Well, I agree with you on what I want to
[3:35] Speaker 6: do with Walker is what you wanted to do with Hutch,
[3:38] Speaker 6: but you got the rug pulled out from underneath.
[3:41] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[3:41] Speaker 6: So I wanted to franchise him for that one year.
[3:44] Speaker 6: I think it would have been $ 14 million, something like that,
[3:46] Speaker 6: on the franchise tag, but that didn't happen. Is it
[3:48] Speaker 6: too early to say it was a mistake? Because Kansas City,
[3:52] Speaker 6: your guy Andy is running this guy into the ground,
[3:55] Speaker 6: and he's never been that durable when he was in Seattle.
[3:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we'll have a better idea as we
[4:01] Speaker 4: go into this season, because you're right. The number of
[4:03] Speaker 4: touches and carries now is way more than he ever
[4:07] Speaker 4: did here. But, no, I think... Yeah, I think I
[4:14] Speaker 4: wasn't for it. I think right now they're struggling because
[4:17] Speaker 4: of injury.
[4:18] Speaker 1: Right.
[4:19] Speaker 4: And the number one pick, I really don't know yet
[4:24] Speaker 4: about him because I haven't seen enough of him. Right.
[4:27] Speaker 4: But I have a lot of confidence in John's ability
[4:30] Speaker 4: to pick guys. I really do. And if he picked
[4:32] Speaker 4: them number one, they see something in there that should
[4:36] Speaker 4: help the team. But they don't have it now.
[4:38] Speaker 5: Right.
[4:39] Speaker 4: And so that's hurting him.
[4:40] Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to Sam for a second because
[4:42] Speaker 3: I want to talk to Collinsworth about this. Not that
[4:44] Speaker 3: I would ever tell you what to do, but I
[4:46] Speaker 3: want you to ask him when he comes on the
[4:47] Speaker 3: air about how much slack he gets. He's thrown seven
[4:51] Speaker 3: picks in four games. He's on pace to throw 20.
[4:55] Speaker 3: He's also getting sacked a ton, 13 times the last three,
[4:58] Speaker 3: 10 the last two.
[4:58] Speaker 2: How many of those are on Sam? We can discuss, obviously.
[5:01] Speaker 3: How much rope would Sam Darnold get if he was
[5:05] Speaker 3: playing for you and these interceptions continued?
[5:08] Speaker 4: Well, you'd have to fix it. I mean, I don't
[5:11] Speaker 4: think you'd yank him.
[5:13] Speaker 2: I would.
[5:13] Speaker 4: That'd be hard.
[5:14] Speaker 2: Like, at all?
[5:15] Speaker 5: No.
[5:15] Speaker 2: He's your guy?
[5:16] Speaker 4: Yeah. He's my guy. And he has to know that
[5:19] Speaker 4: I've got his back. That's where we start. Now, let's
[5:23] Speaker 4: fix this. Why is this happening?
[5:25] Speaker 2: Right.
[5:26] Speaker 4: You know, you won the Super Bowl last year. You
[5:27] Speaker 4: had a wonderful year. The year before, you were really
[5:29] Speaker 4: great in Minnesota. Why is this happening now with us?
[5:34] Speaker 4: And fix it. And I think it's fixable. I really
[5:36] Speaker 4: think it's fixable. But You have to have that down
[5:39] Speaker 4: and dirty talk with him. I would not. Because if
[5:43] Speaker 4: you pull him, if you pull him, Dave, to put
[5:48] Speaker 4: him back in, it's hard.
[5:51] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
[5:52] Speaker 4: And not only on him, it'll be hard on Drew Locke,
[5:54] Speaker 4: the fans. It'll just be hard. Yeah.
[5:56] Speaker 3: You feel like if you pull him that you're going
[5:58] Speaker 3: to give Drew Locke a chance to keep the job.
[6:00] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[6:00] Speaker 2: That's it.
[6:00] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[6:01] Speaker 4: You know, I went through nothing quite like this but
[6:04] Speaker 4: with Trent and Matt. Trent Dilfer and Matt, when they
[6:08] Speaker 4: got hurt, we were jockeying them back and forth. Matt
[6:11] Speaker 4: was the starter. Then I had to pull him, and
[6:14] Speaker 4: Trent came in and played well. He was going to
[6:16] Speaker 4: be the starter the next year. Matt was upset. Then
[6:20] Speaker 4: he gets hurt. Matt has to come back in. That's
[6:24] Speaker 4: a bad situation to get into. But you've got to
[6:28] Speaker 4: fight your way out of it, and that's what they
[6:29] Speaker 4: have to do.
[6:30] Speaker 6: What about an in-game yanking? Let's say he throws two
[6:33] Speaker 6: interceptions in the first quarter of a game. He's still
[6:36] Speaker 6: your starter, but come sit down.
[6:39] Speaker 2: Would you do that?
[6:40] Speaker 4: I might punch him in the helmet. But that's hard
[6:50] Speaker 4: to do. I don't think I would do that. I
[6:52] Speaker 4: don't think I'd do that.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[6:55] Speaker 3: Well, let's go back to the canine thing a second
[6:58] Speaker 3: because this is really interesting, man, the timing on this.
[7:00] Speaker 3: I mean, how often do you have a guy– leave
[7:03] Speaker 3: as a Super Bowl MVP in free agency.
[7:05] Speaker 2: His old team is struggling in his old position.
[7:08] Speaker 3: He's kicking ass with his new team, and now they
[7:10] Speaker 3: play each other in week seven on national TV on
[7:15] Speaker 3: Sunday Night Football.
[7:17] Speaker 4: You couldn't write a better story.
[7:20] Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
[7:21] Speaker 3: I mean, it's just such a huge angle on this game. So,
[7:23] Speaker 3: first of all, I think we've asked you before, I'll
[7:25] Speaker 3: ask you again, with Andy, and Dick mentioned this, he's
[7:29] Speaker 3: on pace for 400 touches. That's Bijon, Derrick Henry type stuff, right?
[7:35] Speaker 3: You think Andy eventually is going to back off the
[7:37] Speaker 3: gas a little bit with that?
[7:38] Speaker 4: I think so.
[7:39] Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Okay.
[7:40] Speaker 4: I think so. I think he's monitoring it right now.
[7:45] Speaker 4: I think depending on how Walker feels during the week
[7:49] Speaker 4: and what's, you know, how, but he's not slowing down.
[7:56] Speaker 2: Not yet, yeah.
[7:56] Speaker 4: You know, and so, but I think, yeah, I think,
[8:00] Speaker 4: And Andy knows that.
[8:01] Speaker 2: You know, if.
[8:04] Speaker 6: You wear.
[8:05] Speaker 4: Backs wear out. As the season goes along, you can
[8:08] Speaker 4: almost see it.
[8:09] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[8:10] Speaker 4: If they're carrying the ball that much.
[8:11] Speaker 2: Right.
[8:12] Speaker 4: You know, and... But, heck, he's winning games. They're undefeated.
[8:17] Speaker 4: He's been a big part of it, so he's going
[8:19] Speaker 4: to stay with them.
[8:20] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[8:20] Speaker 2: And you would have paid him, right? You would have
[8:21] Speaker 2: maybe franchised him, like Dick said, or.
[8:24] Speaker 4: I think I would have.
[8:24] Speaker 3: Met the market and gave him his 15, 14 million
[8:27] Speaker 3: bucks a year and kept him.
[8:28] Speaker 4: I think I would have.
[8:29] Speaker 5: Yeah. Because.
[8:30] Speaker 4: I think they made a decision. I don't know this,
[8:34] Speaker 4: but I think they made a decision between Shahid and
[8:37] Speaker 4: Walker because they paid one, you know. But they had
[8:41] Speaker 4: to pay, you know, Enjigma and the corner.
[8:47] Speaker 2: Witherspoon, right? Witherspoon.
[8:48] Speaker 4: Yep. I understand all that, you know. But, no. As
[8:55] Speaker 4: the famous quote goes, That I used to tell the
[8:58] Speaker 4: money people, it's not your money. You know? Yeah. It's
[9:04] Speaker 4: Paul Allen's money.
[9:06] Speaker 5: Right.
[9:06] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[9:06] Speaker 4: And he'd be happy.
[9:07] Speaker 2: No doubt. No question.
[9:09] Speaker 6: Well, Coach, from our standpoint, running the ball, you get
[9:12] Speaker 6: Charbonnet back.
[9:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:14] Speaker 4: Sunday night. Yeah.
[9:14] Speaker 6: Now, normally, coming off an injury like that. You'd kind
[9:19] Speaker 6: of wade him into the pool a little bit.
[9:21] Speaker 2: Yes. But we have a disaster at running.
[9:23] Speaker 4: Back right now.
[9:24] Speaker 6: So do you throw him into the deep end and
[9:25] Speaker 6: say you're getting 20 carries on Sunday?
[9:27] Speaker 4: No, I don't think you can do that, Dick.
[9:29] Speaker 2: Okay.
[9:30] Speaker 4: As much as you might want to do that, I
[9:34] Speaker 4: think to your point, I think it's a very good one.
[9:36] Speaker 4: He's coming off a very serious injury. And he hasn't played.
[9:40] Speaker 4: He hasn't played football for a while.
[9:43] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:44] Speaker 4: They're going to have to ease him back into it,
[9:47] Speaker 4: I think. Okay. Now, you know, because otherwise, I think
[9:54] Speaker 4: the challenge, you run the risk of maybe him getting
[9:57] Speaker 4: hurt again.
[9:57] Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
[9:58] Speaker 4: You know?
[9:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[10:00] Speaker 4: You have a holdout in training camp? Yeah. And all
[10:02] Speaker 4: of a sudden he shows up for the first game,
[10:04] Speaker 4: I'm ready. And then he gets hurt.
[10:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
[10:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, and plus that's not him. That's not who he was, right?
[10:10] Speaker 3: That's not his workload. He wasn't doing that when he
[10:13] Speaker 3: was here. complimenting kenny walker but mike i'm wondering mike
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[10:29] Speaker 3: this will get to a point and we'll never i
[10:32] Speaker 3: think hear about it publicly because that's not how this
[10:34] Speaker 3: team acts where the defense will start to get a
[10:37] Speaker 3: little bit for lack of a better word worn out
[10:40] Speaker 3: by what's happening on the offensive side of the ball.
[10:42] Speaker 3: We have the number one total defense in football, and
[10:46] Speaker 3: the offense is just putting them in horrible situations. I mean,
[10:49] Speaker 3: you know, third and one at the Denver 39, down three,
[10:52] Speaker 3: you throw a pick. Third and seven at your own
[10:54] Speaker 3: 28 in overtime, you throw a pick that leads to
[10:56] Speaker 3: a game winner. The pick against the Niners at the
[10:58] Speaker 3: plus 18 leads to an easy touchdown. The pick six
[11:02] Speaker 3: against the Commanders, right? This is all bad stuff. You
[11:05] Speaker 3: worry about the defense starting to kind of like, Maybe
[11:08] Speaker 3: start to point fingers behind the scenes a little bit?
[11:11] Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think it's a natural feeling
[11:16] Speaker 4: you might have after the interception. On the sideline, you say, oh, man,
[11:20] Speaker 4: and then come back on the field. But they strike
[11:23] Speaker 4: me as being very professional and with great leadership on
[11:26] Speaker 4: the defense. And then you couple that with, what's the
[11:29] Speaker 4: head coach? The head coach is a defensive guy. And so,
[11:34] Speaker 4: and how he... projects himself to his defense and the team,
[11:39] Speaker 4: I don't think you have to worry about that. Now,
[11:41] Speaker 4: will they react and get upset about it a little bit?
[11:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
[11:45] Speaker 4: But I don't think you have to worry too much
[11:47] Speaker 4: about that.
[11:48] Speaker 6: Sam, is it a mentality fix or a strategy fix?
[11:52] Speaker 6: And what I mean by that is the mentality fix
[11:54] Speaker 6: would be, hey, You just can't be that aggressive.
[11:57] Speaker 4: We've got great defense.
[11:59] Speaker 6: We can win games 14 to 10 all day long
[12:02] Speaker 6: as long as you don't turn over. Or is the
[12:03] Speaker 6: strategy fix like, I'm going to change the play calling.
[12:07] Speaker 6: I want you to throw here and here, not there.
[12:09] Speaker 2: How is it to fix, Sam?
[12:12] Speaker 4: It's all those things, Dick. It's all those things. I
[12:15] Speaker 4: was telling Dave when we came in that I had
[12:20] Speaker 4: the privilege of coaching Joe Montana, one of the great
[12:22] Speaker 4: ones of all time. So I chose to look at
[12:26] Speaker 4: his interceptions one year in the offseason. It turns out
[12:31] Speaker 4: there were two plays that were favorites of Coach Walsh.
[12:36] Speaker 4: Where he'd throw picks. That's where he'd throw the most picks.
[12:41] Speaker 4: So I went to Bill and said, I'm taking them out.
[12:42] Speaker 4: This was when I was with George. I was a coordinator,
[12:45] Speaker 4: so I could do that.
[12:46] Speaker 5: I thought.
[12:48] Speaker 4: But I took those plays away from him. And I
[12:51] Speaker 4: told Joe, I said, we're taking these that way. And
[12:54] Speaker 4: then he had a remarkable turnaround. So that's one thing.
[12:59] Speaker 4: The second thing is you look at, you've got to
[13:01] Speaker 4: decide what happened on an interception. It's not just numbers.
[13:06] Speaker 4: Is he making a poor decision or the right decision
[13:10] Speaker 4: and something happened? The ball got tipped, something happened like that.
[13:14] Speaker 4: So you kind of throw those interceptions over here. Now,
[13:16] Speaker 4: if he's making poor decisions on who to throw the
[13:19] Speaker 4: ball to, that has to be corrected. And that's where
[13:22] Speaker 4: you focus.
[13:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.
[13:23] Speaker 3: Well, I just wonder how much of this is also
[13:26] Speaker 3: about he didn't take a snap in the preseason.
[13:28] Speaker 4: Yes.
[13:29] Speaker 1: Right?
[13:29] Speaker 3: And you've got a brand-new coordinator, by the way, in
[13:32] Speaker 3: Brian Fleury. And I've always kind of thought that was weird,
[13:35] Speaker 3: by the way, that here's a brand-new guy. I know
[13:37] Speaker 3: Sam knows him from his Niner days, but he wasn't
[13:40] Speaker 3: the coordinator. He was the tight ends coach back then.
[13:42] Speaker 3: Looking back, do you remember your take on that? Would
[13:44] Speaker 3: you have maybe tried to get Sam into the preseason
[13:47] Speaker 3: to work out some kinks for Brian Fleury?
[13:49] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[13:50] Speaker 4: But I've said this before. I haven't been asked this
[13:52] Speaker 4: question before.
[13:53] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[13:53] Speaker 4: They do things so differently now.
[13:56] Speaker 5: Right.
[13:56] Speaker 4: There's a lot of teams that don't play their starters
[13:58] Speaker 4: at all.
[13:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[14:00] Speaker 4: In the preseason.
[14:01] Speaker 5: Right.
[14:01] Speaker 6: McVay never does.
[14:03] Speaker 2: 20 teams did, by the way. Yeah. Only 12 quarterbacks
[14:07] Speaker 2: did not, and Sam's one of them.
[14:08] Speaker 4: Yeah. And so I always thought, listen, play them a
[14:12] Speaker 4: little bit. You know, it helps them.
[14:14] Speaker 5: Yeah. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
[14:17] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, are you seeing any signs of a
[14:19] Speaker 3: relationship issue there where they're not on the same page
[14:21] Speaker 3: at all? I mean, it's maybe hard to see just
[14:23] Speaker 3: watching the game, but do you sense.
[14:25] Speaker 2: That could be possible?
[14:26] Speaker 4: Is it Brian? Fleury.
[14:28] Speaker 6: Fleury. Yeah.
[14:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[14:29] Speaker 4: I don't know him at all, but I don't know.
[14:36] Speaker 4: But I know this, that the play caller and the
[14:40] Speaker 4: quarterback have to be on the same page. They have
[14:45] Speaker 4: to understand each other. The quarterback has to know why
[14:48] Speaker 4: you're calling it, and if you call that play, where
[14:50] Speaker 4: you're going with the ball, if they're going to play
[14:52] Speaker 4: this game, all those things.
[14:55] Speaker 6: This game, do you believe in the desperation narrative for
[14:59] Speaker 6: one team and then the other team kind of sitting
[15:01] Speaker 6: fat and pretty leading the division by a couple of games?
[15:04] Speaker 6: Does that play in? Is that to Seattle's favor in
[15:09] Speaker 6: this game?
[15:14] Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think knowing Andy, the way
[15:18] Speaker 4: I know him, and the way his team plays and
[15:22] Speaker 4: how they think, I don't think you have to worry
[15:24] Speaker 4: about Kansas City doing that. And the Seahawks, now they're
[15:28] Speaker 4: going to be fired up because they need this win.
[15:29] Speaker 6: Do you notice that sometimes when you have teams that
[15:32] Speaker 6: are around. 500, maybe playing extra hard versus a team
[15:36] Speaker 6: that's five, six, seven games over. 500?
[15:37] Speaker 4: What do they call those, trap games or whatever?
[15:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[15:41] Speaker 4: Oh, gee.
[15:43] Speaker 2: You never had those trap games.
[15:45] Speaker 5: Though, did you?
[15:45] Speaker 4: Well, we had a few, yeah.
[15:47] Speaker 2: But you always won them, though. No, no, no.
[15:50] Speaker 4: No, Indianapolis. I'll never forget it. They came in 1-12
[15:54] Speaker 4: when we were in Indianapolis, and we were leading the league.
[15:57] Speaker 4: We went going to the Super Bowl.
[15:59] Speaker 2: Right.
[16:00] Speaker 4: They beat us 43-42. It was the best offensive per
[16:05] Speaker 4: play game I had that year. Our defense was really
[16:08] Speaker 4: Reggie White. We had good defense.
[16:10] Speaker 5: Right.
[16:10] Speaker 4: Not that day. Couldn't stop him. Who was quarterbacking for
[16:13] Speaker 4: those teams?
[16:13] Speaker 5: No.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Was that Harbaugh? Was Harbaugh playing for the Colts that day?
[16:16] Speaker 4: They were hurt.
[16:17] Speaker 2: You remember?
[16:17] Speaker 4: Their third string quarterback came in.
[16:18] Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
[16:19] Speaker 4: He played.
[16:20] Speaker 5: Geez.
[16:20] Speaker 4: So, yeah, I think then, Dick.
[16:22] Speaker 2: That's embarrassing.
[16:22] Speaker 4: The guy said, oh, man, this is going to be
[16:27] Speaker 4: a walk.
[16:27] Speaker 5: Unbelievable.
[16:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
[16:28] Speaker 4: You know what he did the first thing the next morning?
[16:30] Speaker 6: Huh?
[16:31] Speaker 4: I went into Fritz Schirmer's office, who's a coordinator and
[16:35] Speaker 4: a good friend and a great coach.
[16:37] Speaker 5: Right.
[16:38] Speaker 4: And he looks at me and he goes, I said,
[16:42] Speaker 4: I won't raise my voice, but you better tell me
[16:45] Speaker 4: what happened.
[16:47] Speaker 2: It's even scarier when you talk like that. You know that, right?
[16:50] Speaker 2: When you don't raise your voice, it's even scarier.
[16:53] Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren's here, and look, obviously this thing on Sunday
[16:56] Speaker 3: is just massive for the Hawks. I mean, they've got
[16:58] Speaker 3: the Bears coming up the following Monday, so they need
[17:01] Speaker 3: to get back in the win column.
[17:02] Speaker 2: But I think you kind of referenced it, Mike, earlier.
[17:05] Speaker 3: The offensive line is not playing really kind of up
[17:08] Speaker 3: to their standard. I mean, it's hard to know why
[17:10] Speaker 3: that's happening. I mean, they've got some injuries. The right
[17:13] Speaker 3: guard spot's been kind of up and down. I mean,
[17:15] Speaker 3: I've never looked more to Bradford coming back. than I
[17:18] Speaker 3: do now.
[17:18] Speaker 2: I mean, geez.
[17:19] Speaker 3: I mean, you know, between him and Christian Haynes and
[17:21] Speaker 3: Bo Stevens, he feels like he's the best guy.
[17:23] Speaker 2: But Grace Abel's taken a step back. Abe Lucas has
[17:26] Speaker 2: taken a step back.
[17:27] Speaker 3: Do you have any thoughts on why that could be
[17:30] Speaker 3: after they were so great for the most part a
[17:31] Speaker 3: year ago?
[17:32] Speaker 4: No. It's a puzzle to me. That's why I said that.
[17:36] Speaker 4: I mean, because I think, I look at those guys
[17:38] Speaker 4: that really, really dominated last year. And there was great hope.
[17:44] Speaker 4: We had some young guys in there. They had everyone
[17:47] Speaker 4: coming back. Everyone coming back, so there wasn't any jockeying
[17:50] Speaker 4: around at positions. Okay, getting back to Sam now. He's
[17:57] Speaker 4: been hit. He got hit 17 times in that game,
[18:00] Speaker 4: not even including the interception.
[18:02] Speaker 2: The Denver game, right, correct. Yes, right.
[18:04] Speaker 4: And so that's too many times. I mean, you can't.
[18:08] Speaker 4: No wonder every once in a while he'll throw one
[18:10] Speaker 4: up and you go, why did he do that? Because
[18:12] Speaker 4: he got knocked around.
[18:14] Speaker 2: Because of the lack of running.
[18:15] Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
[18:16] Speaker 2: Maybe. You know what? I want to ask you something
[18:18] Speaker 2: that Dick's been... Just real quick.
[18:19] Speaker 3: So the last interception that he threw, he's going to
[18:22] Speaker 3: his left, right? And there's a safety that comes over
[18:24] Speaker 3: at the last second, picks off that pass. Do you
[18:27] Speaker 3: think it's more likely that he just didn't see that guy?
[18:31] Speaker 4: Yes.
[18:31] Speaker 2: Or that he saw him and thought, I can do
[18:33] Speaker 2: this anyway?
[18:34] Speaker 4: No, is there... On that play? Yes. I don't think
[18:37] Speaker 4: he saw him.
[18:38] Speaker 2: Got it. Got it.
[18:39] Speaker 4: Now, your other way, he has done that too. Because
[18:45] Speaker 4: look at it. How many times have you seen him
[18:46] Speaker 4: throw not much room, receiver is pretty much covered, and
[18:50] Speaker 4: he goes, boom. It's in there. Particularly in an enigma.
[18:54] Speaker 4: I don't know how. If I was playing against him,
[18:57] Speaker 4: I'd figure out some way to stop him because they're
[18:59] Speaker 4: not getting the ball to anybody else.
[19:01] Speaker 5: But....
[19:03] Speaker 4: You've seen him just drill a beautiful pass in a very,
[19:06] Speaker 4: very tight window. You can't do that all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[19:12] Speaker 4: So you've got to kind of talk to him and say,
[19:15] Speaker 4: I know you've done it before, but we've got to
[19:17] Speaker 4: now make choices here. And he knows that. I mean,
[19:22] Speaker 4: he's a bright guy, and he knows that. But now
[19:25] Speaker 4: he's got to do it.
[19:28] Speaker 2: That's what bothers me the most about him.
[19:29] Speaker 4: I like him a lot.
[19:30] Speaker 6: He just has overwhelming confidence in his ability to put
[19:33] Speaker 6: the ball anywhere he wants to.
[19:35] Speaker 4: Put the ball.
[19:36] Speaker 6: And it doesn't always happen. Mike Holmgren joining us. Coach,
[19:40] Speaker 6: this defense has been fantastic. Statistically, it's as good as
[19:43] Speaker 6: any defense since the 2008 Steelers. I mean, they're playing
[19:45] Speaker 6: great football, only 3-3. What should worry this D more?
[19:50] Speaker 6: going into this game? Patrick Mahomes and what he can
[19:53] Speaker 6: do in the passing game with Xavier Worthy and, you know,
[19:55] Speaker 6: scampering a little bit. Or just the flat-out handoff game
[19:59] Speaker 6: to Ken Walker who's having his best season.
[20:02] Speaker 4: I think Ken Walker is what they have to stop.
[20:06] Speaker 4: I think... I've got a lot of confidence when they're healthy,
[20:10] Speaker 4: when Love is playing and everyone's playing back there in
[20:14] Speaker 4: the secondary. And I think they can put pressure. They'll
[20:18] Speaker 4: put pressure on Patrick. Now, they've still got to stop Mahomes,
[20:23] Speaker 4: and they've got to know Travis Kelsey's in the game.
[20:27] Speaker 4: But I think they have to concentrate. Let's stop the run.
[20:32] Speaker 4: Let's make sure he doesn't. Changed the game.
[20:36] Speaker 2: Right. Well, you know Andy Reid as well as anybody.
[20:39] Speaker 2: What's his weakness? His weakness?
[20:41] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[20:42] Speaker 2: If you were coaching against Andy Reid.
[20:44] Speaker 4: Cheeseburgers, right? Yeah. I was going to say cheeseburgers.
[20:46] Speaker 2: So would you hold a cheeseburger up?
[20:47] Speaker 4: Too much mayonnaise. A little too much mayonnaise.
[20:49] Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
[20:50] Speaker 3: So squirt him with some mayo. I mean, honestly, if
[20:53] Speaker 3: you're Mike McDonough and you're game planning against Andy Reid,
[20:55] Speaker 3: I mean... Does he get a little nuts sometimes in
[20:58] Speaker 3: certain situations? Is there anything about him that you would
[21:00] Speaker 3: tell Mike, you can get him here, you can get
[21:03] Speaker 3: him there, anything at all?
[21:04] Speaker 4: It's tough. It's tough. He's a good strategy guy. Right, right.
[21:13] Speaker 4: And he's not like me. He doesn't blow up.
[21:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[21:17] Speaker 4: You know, he might blow up inside, but he doesn't
[21:21] Speaker 4: show it. And his players respond to him in a
[21:24] Speaker 4: way that, okay, They really do stuff for him. You
[21:28] Speaker 4: remember when Travis Kelsey hit him and almost knocked him
[21:31] Speaker 4: down in that game?
[21:32] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[21:35] Speaker 4: Think of it instead of me. It would have been
[21:39] Speaker 4: an ugly scene. Yeah, whatever.
[21:44] Speaker 3: I think he was more shocked than anything that he
[21:46] Speaker 3: did it, right? Hey, let's do this. We're going to break.
[21:48] Speaker 3: There's some other non-Seahawks stuff to get to. You may
[21:51] Speaker 3: have seen what's happening in Paris, by the way.
[21:54] Speaker 2: Right? With all the protests.
[21:55] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
[21:56] Speaker 3: And they're going to play. They're playing a game out
[21:58] Speaker 3: there on Sunday. I mean, like, what's going on here, right?
[22:01] Speaker 2: We'll get to that.
[22:02] Speaker 3: You know, UW's got a quarterback controversy, too, Mike, with
[22:05] Speaker 3: DeMond Williams and Elijah Brown.
[22:06] Speaker 2: The Rams, are they done? All the injuries they've got.
[22:09] Speaker 4: In L.A.? How about the quarterback for Philadelphia?
[22:15] Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts and the blood clots.
[22:16] Speaker 4: And going on over.
[22:19] Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
[22:20] Speaker 3: There's a ton going on. The NFL, man, it's just
[22:23] Speaker 3: the gift that keeps on giving. We'll talk to Mike,
[22:25] Speaker 3: and then Chris Collinsworth is going to join us at 5.
[22:27] Speaker 3: We're live at the 520 Bar and Grill right here
[22:29] Speaker 3: on 93.3 KJRFM.
[22:34] Speaker 1: Now back to Softie and Dick and the Mike Holmgren Show.
[22:37] Speaker 1: Brought to you by the most trusted source in tickets
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[22:45] Speaker 3: All right, boys and girls, we are back at the
[22:47] Speaker 3: 520 Bar and Grill in Bellevue. Mike Holmgren's here. Finally
[22:51] Speaker 3: decided to show up and show his face here in public.
[22:53] Speaker 6: Yeah, we missed him.
[22:54] Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. You're a big deal. You
[22:55] Speaker 2: get swarmed by autograph seekers, celebrities, all that stuff.
[22:59] Speaker 4: You know the story. I would have been here.
[23:01] Speaker 2: No, I know.
[23:01] Speaker 5: I know.
[23:03] Speaker 3: It's good to see you, though. It's great to have
[23:04] Speaker 3: you here. Chris Collinsworth will join us, by the way.
[23:07] Speaker 3: Coming up next segment, we're looking forward to having him
[23:09] Speaker 3: on the show. So let's get away from the Hawks
[23:11] Speaker 3: for a minute or two. There's a lot going on.
[23:14] Speaker 3: First of all, I want to know how you would handle,
[23:16] Speaker 3: and I don't know how you, if you've seen it, all.
[23:18] Speaker 2: The protests, everything happening in Paris.
[23:20] Speaker 4: It's horrible.
[23:20] Speaker 3: A lot going on out there, right? Churches getting burned down,
[23:23] Speaker 3: a lot of chaos. If you're the coach of the
[23:25] Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers, if you're Mike McCarthy... and you're going to Paris.
[23:29] Speaker 3: They just announced today that they're canceling a big fan
[23:32] Speaker 3: event out there because it's too dangerous. But they're playing
[23:35] Speaker 3: the game. So we can cancel the fan event, but
[23:38] Speaker 3: we can play the game. Would you have any apprehensions
[23:41] Speaker 3: about going out there this weekend if you were coaching
[23:43] Speaker 3: in this game?
[23:44] Speaker 4: Absolutely. It would be something we talk about, but you
[23:48] Speaker 4: know this as well as anyway, both of you do.
[23:51] Speaker 4: When the league makes a decision, some of that stuff,
[23:56] Speaker 4: I wasn't, I didn't like it. I didn't vote for it.
[23:59] Speaker 2: Right.
[24:00] Speaker 4: But now they're expanding these, going to Brazil, going to Paris,
[24:07] Speaker 4: going to all these things. And you know what brought
[24:10] Speaker 4: to my attention was that the Jalen Hurts' thing. He's
[24:15] Speaker 4: on a plane.
[24:16] Speaker 2: From London, right.
[24:16] Speaker 4: You're not supposed to do that if you have blood clots.
[24:19] Speaker 2: Right.
[24:20] Speaker 4: You know, those things. So, no, it was, but they
[24:24] Speaker 4: couldn't do anything. They got to play the game.
[24:27] Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
[24:28] Speaker 4: But then you kind of insulate your players. They stay
[24:32] Speaker 4: at the hotel. The things that they may have wanted
[24:35] Speaker 4: to do, you've got to be careful.
[24:38] Speaker 6: Well, and the fan event, too, is supposed to be
[24:39] Speaker 6: on the streets where the riots actually are happening.
[24:42] Speaker 4: That's why they canceled that.
[24:44] Speaker 6: All right, Coach, there's been some coaches that have kind
[24:47] Speaker 6: of embarrassed themselves this last week. Dan Quinn was unsure
[24:53] Speaker 6: what down it was.
[24:54] Speaker 2: Supposedly. Supposedly.
[24:56] Speaker 6: Aaron Glenn, not supposedly, did not know that his team
[25:00] Speaker 6: didn't have the ball coming out of the third quarter.
[25:03] Speaker 6: He said that to the reporter. He's like, well, at
[25:05] Speaker 6: least we get the ball here. We're going to go
[25:06] Speaker 6: down and score. Well, no, you didn't get the ball.
[25:08] Speaker 6: Did you honestly, did you ever not know what down
[25:11] Speaker 6: it was? Did you ever not know coming out of halftime?
[25:16] Speaker 4: This is years later.
[25:17] Speaker 2: Who had the ball?
[25:18] Speaker 5: No.
[25:19] Speaker 4: Neither one of those things, right?
[25:20] Speaker 5: No.
[25:20] Speaker 4: The only time I made a mistake like that, well,
[25:26] Speaker 4: it was in the Super Bowl.
[25:29] Speaker 2: Which one?
[25:30] Speaker 4: The one where Denver beat when I was in Green
[25:31] Speaker 4: Bay the second year.
[25:32] Speaker 2: Right, right. By the way, just for the record, you
[25:35] Speaker 2: brought this up, not me.
[25:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, Denver, they were going down to score, and they
[25:40] Speaker 4: could have held on to the ball and kicked a
[25:44] Speaker 4: field goal, a 15-yard field goal.
[25:46] Speaker 2: With no time.
[25:47] Speaker 4: With no time. So I said, let... Let him score.
[25:52] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[25:53] Speaker 4: And in that little series there, when I was thinking
[25:56] Speaker 4: about that, and I took off my headset because I
[26:01] Speaker 4: was mad, I threw it into the ground. Typically, I
[26:05] Speaker 4: had a guy telling me in my ear about those things.
[26:09] Speaker 6: Right.
[26:09] Speaker 4: You got third, you know, every time. And I screwed up.
[26:14] Speaker 4: I took my thing off and I took it off.
[26:16] Speaker 4: And as a result, I lost it. I didn't. I
[26:20] Speaker 4: lost it down right in there. It wouldn't have made
[26:22] Speaker 4: any difference, as it turns out.
[26:23] Speaker 5: Right.
[26:23] Speaker 4: That was the one time. Would it have given you
[26:25] Speaker 4: more time, though, right? No, because I let them score.
[26:29] Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
[26:30] Speaker 4: You know, and so it was, they had enough. It
[26:35] Speaker 4: was first down. They were going to milk it down
[26:39] Speaker 4: to where I didn't have any time left.
[26:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[26:41] Speaker 4: Anyway, I did it.
[26:42] Speaker 2: I think about losses all the time as a fan.
[26:44] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[26:45] Speaker 2: Do you do that as a coach, even today?
[26:47] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[26:48] Speaker 2: Do you wake you up at night every now and then?
[26:50] Speaker 4: Every once in a while, I'll meet somebody and go, hey,
[26:52] Speaker 4: you know, I thought you really got screwed against the Steelers.
[26:56] Speaker 4: And I go, I just finished. Yeah, thanks a lot.
[27:01] Speaker 4: And it comes back, you know.
[27:02] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[27:03] Speaker 4: Yeah, they say that, and it's true. You know, you
[27:05] Speaker 4: win Super Bowls, you lose Super Bowls. The losses stay
[27:08] Speaker 4: with you longer.
[27:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. Well, Mike Holmgren's with us, and I
[27:12] Speaker 2: wonder what's going on in L.A. with the Rams. Puka
[27:14] Speaker 2: Nakua's got a calf injury, right, Dick? Devontae Adams is out.
[27:18] Speaker 3: Other injuries on the defensive line, they're 2-4.
[27:20] Speaker 2: They got with the Raiders. Leading tackler's got a concussion.
[27:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, are we starting to feel like the
[27:26] Speaker 3: Rams might be kind of done and did the super
[27:29] Speaker 3: team talk maybe kind of get to them a little bit?
[27:33] Speaker 4: I don't think it got to them, but I think
[27:36] Speaker 4: it may have been premature. Because the Super Bowl, then
[27:39] Speaker 4: when they signed Donald, Donald.
[27:41] Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, right.
[27:43] Speaker 4: Then it really kind of exploded. Oh, boy, we got
[27:47] Speaker 4: Miles and Garrett and Donald. But they, like we were
[27:53] Speaker 4: talking about earlier, he didn't play any of the starters.
[27:57] Speaker 4: He didn't play guys in the preseason.
[27:59] Speaker 5: Right.
[28:00] Speaker 4: And I think, I'd have to check this with somebody,
[28:04] Speaker 4: I think that leads to injury.
[28:07] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[28:07] Speaker 5: Really?
[28:08] Speaker 4: I think it does. And you see that happening with them.
[28:12] Speaker 2: Got about 90 seconds. Go ahead.
[28:14] Speaker 4: How well do you know Coach Ditka, who just passed away?
[28:18] Speaker 4: I knew him pretty well. And he left the league
[28:23] Speaker 4: right when I came in. And we played that game,
[28:27] Speaker 4: and they beat us. And then we beat the Bears
[28:31] Speaker 4: like nine years in a row. So it's a big
[28:33] Speaker 4: green bay in the Bears. But he was really good
[28:35] Speaker 4: to me. And then even when he went on the
[28:38] Speaker 4: TV and he'd come in and visit. I was walking
[28:41] Speaker 4: down the street in Chicago with Kathy because our kids
[28:45] Speaker 4: went to school there.
[28:46] Speaker 6: Right.
[28:47] Speaker 4: And a guy comes up to me on the side.
[28:49] Speaker 4: He goes, you're Mike Cohen. I said, yeah. He goes,
[28:52] Speaker 4: I just decorated Mike Ditka's restaurant. And he goes, let
[28:58] Speaker 4: me phone him. And he phones him and he hands
[29:00] Speaker 4: me the phone. I'm walking down the street. He goes,
[29:03] Speaker 4: what are you doing here? How come you didn't phone me?
[29:04] Speaker 4: How come you didn't talk to me? You come to
[29:07] Speaker 4: the restaurant tonight. Come on. Come in.
[29:09] Speaker 2: Did you go?
[29:10] Speaker 5: No.
[29:11] Speaker 4: I think we had other plans, but. He was a
[29:15] Speaker 4: fiery guy, and he's a tough boy. Yeah, no doubt.
[29:18] Speaker 2: Well, you know what?
[29:19] Speaker 3: One of the all-time great characters in the history of
[29:22] Speaker 3: the NFL. Let's do this. We're going to break. Chris Collinsworth,
[29:25] Speaker 3: you know very well. Did you coach against him in
[29:28] Speaker 3: that Super Bowl against the Bengals?
[29:30] Speaker 2: Yes. You were there.
[29:31] Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about that maybe. But a lot to
[29:34] Speaker 3: get to at Chris Collinsworth. Mike Holmgren is with us
[29:36] Speaker 3: at the 520 Bar and Grill.
[29:37] Speaker 2: We'll talk to Chris Collinsworth next on 93.3. KJRFM.
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[30:02] Speaker 1: Now back to Safi and Dick in the Mike Holmgren Show,
[30:05] Speaker 1: brought to you by the most trusted source in tickets
[30:07] Speaker 1: at VenueKings.com on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR-FM.
[30:14] Speaker 2: All right, we are back.
[30:16] Speaker 3: We are back at the 540 Bar and Grill in Bellevue.
[30:19] Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren has made his return to the airwaves with
[30:22] Speaker 3: us after a week off on a river cruise somewhere
[30:25] Speaker 3: at least that's what he said he was doing who
[30:27] Speaker 3: knows what he was up to people flocking to mike
[30:30] Speaker 3: autograph seekers looking for photographs with the potential down the
[30:34] Speaker 3: road eventually will be hall of famer but mike we're
[30:37] Speaker 3: going to give you the floor here because we have
[30:39] Speaker 3: a very special guest joining us right now on the
[30:41] Speaker 3: radio show so why don't you introduce our next guest
[30:43] Speaker 3: and that's all.
[30:44] Speaker 4: Yours well when you when you said that Chris was
[30:47] Speaker 4: coming on the show. I was really on the river cruise,
[30:50] Speaker 4: and I was going to stay. And then I came
[30:53] Speaker 4: back so I could talk to him.
[30:55] Speaker 5: I thought once you heard I was going to be
[30:59] Speaker 5: on the show, you were going to stay.
[31:01] Speaker 4: No, I'll tell you what. Something we haven't talked about. Actually,
[31:07] Speaker 4: my first foyer into TV, Chris was my coach. It
[31:12] Speaker 4: was at a Super Bowl, and I was one of
[31:14] Speaker 4: the guys. I didn't know anything. and he kind of
[31:17] Speaker 4: coached me through that, so I've always appreciated that. Thank
[31:20] Speaker 4: you very much.
[31:23] Speaker 5: I didn't coach you into anything.
[31:25] Speaker 2: You know better.
[31:28] Speaker 4: Well, listen, there's a lot of stuff going on here
[31:30] Speaker 4: in Seattle, and you know it. The Seahawks are 3-3,
[31:34] Speaker 4: and there's a lot of surprises in the league. You know,
[31:38] Speaker 4: the Rams, the records, there's a lot of surprises. How
[31:42] Speaker 4: do you view the Seahawks, where they are right now,
[31:45] Speaker 4: and People here are a little disappointed they're 3-3. How
[31:49] Speaker 4: do you look on that?
[31:52] Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand that. I mean, you're Super Bowl champs.
[31:55] Speaker 5: The expectations are high. No Kenneth Walker, and we've already
[32:00] Speaker 5: seen the impact that Kenneth Walker is having on the
[32:02] Speaker 5: team you're going to be playing, the Kansas City Chiefs.
[32:05] Speaker 5: But when you take the grand total of what they've
[32:08] Speaker 5: lost by a combined eight points in three games, something
[32:11] Speaker 5: like that.
[32:12] Speaker 2: So I.
[32:14] Speaker 5: Tend to look at football season anymore as like back
[32:18] Speaker 5: in the day, you played four, you played six preseason games.
[32:22] Speaker 5: And opening day, people were ready for battle. Now I
[32:25] Speaker 5: kind of think of preseason as whatever for rookies. And
[32:29] Speaker 5: then September is for the veterans. And then we're ready
[32:32] Speaker 5: to play in October.
[32:33] Speaker 2: So yeah.
[32:34] Speaker 5: I kind of start taking it seriously right about now.
[32:37] Speaker 5: But I do think that there are at least a
[32:40] Speaker 5: few questions about this Seattle team. And this is going
[32:45] Speaker 5: to be a great matchup. It really is. Kansas City
[32:48] Speaker 5: is a really good team offensively, defensively. Quarterback position can
[32:54] Speaker 5: really play. And so it's going to be fun.
[32:57] Speaker 4: Well, you know, the big question is, and you know this,
[33:00] Speaker 4: having played with good quarterbacks and Sam Darnold, I think,
[33:08] Speaker 4: is a very good quarterback, but he's doing some things
[33:11] Speaker 4: now that have people worried. When you watch Sam play,
[33:16] Speaker 4: I'd like your opinion of how he's doing.
[33:21] Speaker 5: Well, you know, I knew going into studying him that
[33:25] Speaker 5: He had turned it over, right? And you never want
[33:28] Speaker 5: that out of your quarterback. I do think that they've
[33:32] Speaker 5: got a few issues in protection. They've spread it out
[33:37] Speaker 5: a little bit more this year. Bradford's obviously not been
[33:42] Speaker 5: in the game. But as far as just watching Sam...
[33:46] Speaker 5: Donald throw the ball, I thought he was slinging it
[33:49] Speaker 5: in that game against Denver. And of course, he came
[33:52] Speaker 5: up with the two interceptions late in the game, and
[33:55] Speaker 5: that's all anybody's going to remember. But I don't think
[33:58] Speaker 5: there's anything wrong with what he's doing, but you just
[34:01] Speaker 5: can't turn the ball over the number of times that
[34:04] Speaker 5: they've turned it over. And the three losses, they've turned
[34:07] Speaker 5: it over at least three times in every one of
[34:09] Speaker 5: those games. And, you know, you can make football out
[34:13] Speaker 5: to be anything you want it to be, you know,
[34:15] Speaker 5: and there are three wins they've turned it over no
[34:18] Speaker 5: more than once. And the three losses, they turned it
[34:21] Speaker 5: over at least three times in each of those. So
[34:25] Speaker 5: I've seen Sam Darnold given up on before. I can
[34:29] Speaker 5: remember in Minnesota when everybody was so down on him
[34:33] Speaker 5: for the last two games, the final and then the
[34:36] Speaker 5: first playoff game. And he really didn't play very well
[34:38] Speaker 5: and came back the next year, won the Super Bowl.
[34:40] Speaker 5: So you know, you know what it is, especially with
[34:45] Speaker 5: young quarterbacks and developing teams and yet change offensive coordinators
[34:49] Speaker 5: and everything's, everything's just different. And, but I know one
[34:54] Speaker 5: thing that team plays defense with the heart of a
[34:57] Speaker 5: lion and what they did in the second half against Denver.
[35:01] Speaker 5: I mean, it was explosive. I mean, if they play
[35:04] Speaker 5: like that, that's the way they were playing in the
[35:07] Speaker 5: playoffs and the super bowl. And, um, If they play
[35:11] Speaker 5: more games like that, they're going to be really tough
[35:14] Speaker 5: to beat.
[35:15] Speaker 4: No, and we're talking with Chris Collingsworth. I know he's
[35:18] Speaker 4: got a very unique voice, so I know you didn't
[35:21] Speaker 4: have to have me tell you that because you recognize
[35:23] Speaker 4: his voice. But thank you for being with us today. JSN,
[35:30] Speaker 4: you played the position. I'm thinking if I'm coaching against JSN,
[35:37] Speaker 4: I go into my defensive coordinator and go, look, I
[35:39] Speaker 4: don't care. Who else you cover? Who else you stop?
[35:44] Speaker 4: You've got to stop him. He's an amazing young receiver,
[35:48] Speaker 4: isn't he?
[35:50] Speaker 5: He really is. And I really have a hard time
[35:54] Speaker 5: comparing him to anybody because he's like, I don't know,
[36:00] Speaker 5: the first time you ever saw a sports car drive,
[36:03] Speaker 5: you know, a Porsche or Lamborghini or something, and watching it.
[36:07] Speaker 5: you know, just smoothly take the turns, and it looks
[36:10] Speaker 5: so effortless. And sometimes you can look at him because
[36:14] Speaker 5: he's not a big guy. He doesn't have any incredibly,
[36:16] Speaker 5: you know, outstanding, you know, feature where you go, oh, yeah,
[36:21] Speaker 5: he's 6'4, or he weighs 220 pounds, or he runs
[36:24] Speaker 5: a 4'2, or any of that sort of thing. And
[36:28] Speaker 5: then I started thinking about it a little bit, and
[36:29] Speaker 5: I go, hmm, who else was like that that really
[36:32] Speaker 5: didn't have any incredible features? Oh, yeah, Jerry Rice was
[36:36] Speaker 5: kind of like that. And just the ability to, I
[36:41] Speaker 5: don't know, to look the same and to look so smooth.
[36:45] Speaker 5: And the way he cuts off his inside foot. I
[36:49] Speaker 5: could never cut off my inside foot. I'd fall on
[36:51] Speaker 5: my face every time. But he can just kind of
[36:54] Speaker 5: glide and take the turns like a sports car. And
[36:58] Speaker 5: I don't think that defenders know what he's going to do.
[37:03] Speaker 5: Most receivers have some kind of tell in their route running.
[37:07] Speaker 5: and that's how you can get a jump on him.
[37:11] Speaker 5: But it's like he never changes speeds. He never changes gears.
[37:16] Speaker 5: No matter if he's turning in or turning out or
[37:18] Speaker 5: going deep or a comeback or whatever it is, he
[37:21] Speaker 5: can just do it so smoothly. And I think if
[37:26] Speaker 5: you can be the leading receiver in the National Football
[37:29] Speaker 5: League a couple years in a row and still be underrated,
[37:32] Speaker 5: I kind of feel like he's still a little bit underrated.
[37:36] Speaker 4: You know what? That's well said. He is so smooth,
[37:39] Speaker 4: and he's not a big guy. And he's taken some
[37:42] Speaker 4: hits now, and he bounces up. I think he's tough. So, no,
[37:47] Speaker 4: we're very lucky to have him in Seattle. Now I'm
[37:51] Speaker 4: going to put your general manager's hat on, okay? Yeah.
[37:56] Speaker 4: Ken Walker. I know I can't let you go without
[38:00] Speaker 4: an opinion on if you were the general manager, would
[38:03] Speaker 4: you have signed him last year?
[38:07] Speaker 5: Well, I've got a little bit different theory than maybe some.
[38:15] Speaker 5: You know, there's– you think of like Jameer Gibbs. I
[38:21] Speaker 5: think that running backs in general are way underrated at
[38:27] Speaker 5: this point in the NFL's cycle of life. You know, like–
[38:33] Speaker 5: So we went from, I can remember when I first
[38:36] Speaker 5: got in the league, everybody was 6'4, and playing against
[38:39] Speaker 5: zone defenses, and you were throwing those kind of things.
[38:44] Speaker 5: And then Duper and Clayton came along because everybody started
[38:48] Speaker 5: playing more man coverage, and then those guys were eating
[38:50] Speaker 5: up the man coverage. And then it just kind of
[38:53] Speaker 5: goes in a big cycle. And right now we're in
[38:55] Speaker 5: a cycle where everybody's playing at least two deep, if
[39:00] Speaker 5: not four deep, on the back end. They're protecting against
[39:04] Speaker 5: the big plays. They've got six in the box instead
[39:07] Speaker 5: of seven in the box. And so now running the
[39:10] Speaker 5: football is almost given to you. It's almost given to you.
[39:15] Speaker 5: So now so many of the big plays in the
[39:18] Speaker 5: NFL are coming from running backs. You know, Jameer Gibbs, B.
[39:23] Speaker 5: John Robinson, you go right down the list. I mean,
[39:25] Speaker 5: these guys, if they break a tackle and they get
[39:28] Speaker 5: into the secondary and you're seeing these guys go for
[39:31] Speaker 5: really big runs. And Kenneth Walker, with this outside zone,
[39:36] Speaker 5: which is what everybody's doing at least 35 to 40
[39:40] Speaker 5: percent of the time, is a play in which if
[39:43] Speaker 5: you have power to cut back, which Kenneth Walker certainly has,
[39:48] Speaker 5: you can run over people because everybody's on the move.
[39:52] Speaker 5: But what his secret sauce is, that ability to bounce
[39:55] Speaker 5: out and hit the gears. And, Mike, I'm telling you,
[39:59] Speaker 5: we did the Super Bowl last year, and we went
[40:03] Speaker 5: to practice, and I'm watching him. And, you know, he
[40:07] Speaker 5: was kind of just another player to me at that
[40:10] Speaker 5: point in time. And I'm watching them in practice, and
[40:14] Speaker 5: this is that last practice, that last hard practice before
[40:19] Speaker 5: the Super Bowl, and everybody's amped up. I mean, everybody.
[40:23] Speaker 5: And Kenneth Walker was running two ticks faster than everybody
[40:29] Speaker 5: on the field. I'm talking about everybody, the corners, the wideouts,
[40:32] Speaker 5: than everybody. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I
[40:36] Speaker 5: had no idea this kid had this in him. And
[40:40] Speaker 5: I started, I walked over to the rest of our
[40:42] Speaker 5: crew who was at practice with me. And I said,
[40:45] Speaker 5: I think Kenneth Walker is going to be the MVP
[40:48] Speaker 5: of this game and Seattle is going to win. And
[40:52] Speaker 5: out of practice. Now, I don't know if I've ever
[40:55] Speaker 5: said anything close to that watching practice. And I'll be darned,
[40:59] Speaker 5: we got in the game and he looked exactly how
[41:02] Speaker 5: he looked in practice. You know, they always say you
[41:05] Speaker 5: practice how you play and all that. He was the
[41:09] Speaker 5: exact same way. In that game, he beat everybody to
[41:12] Speaker 5: the edge. And when he got to the edge, he
[41:15] Speaker 5: was turning it upfield and he was making somebody miss.
[41:18] Speaker 5: It was really exciting to see somebody who distinguished themselves
[41:22] Speaker 5: in practice like that and then came back and showed
[41:26] Speaker 5: it in the game. And when I talked to the
[41:28] Speaker 5: Chiefs guys today, they were saying the exact same thing. Because, Chris,
[41:35] Speaker 5: this guy never takes a second off in practice. He
[41:39] Speaker 5: plays in practice exactly like how he would do it
[41:44] Speaker 5: if it were in a game. And so the timing
[41:46] Speaker 5: that we can create with our running game and with
[41:49] Speaker 5: the passing game with him is second to none. So, yeah,
[41:54] Speaker 5: I was pretty strong on Kenneth Walker at the time.
[41:58] Speaker 5: And I think running backs are coming off a little
[42:02] Speaker 5: cheap right now because of the fact that we haven't
[42:05] Speaker 5: transitioned because of the way the defenses are playing. into
[42:09] Speaker 5: that 2-D. So I think that running backs are growing
[42:13] Speaker 5: in importance in the league with the way we're playing defense.
[42:16] Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking to Chris Collingsworth now. And listening to
[42:21] Speaker 4: him talk about Kenneth Walker and his predictions, now you
[42:26] Speaker 4: see why he coached me up in that Super Bowl
[42:30] Speaker 4: that we were– I had the privilege of being with him. Now,
[42:34] Speaker 4: having said that about running backs and throughout the league,
[42:37] Speaker 4: The Seahawks are struggling right now. And the offensive line,
[42:44] Speaker 4: you've seen film. Is the offensive line, because they were
[42:48] Speaker 4: solid in that Super Bowl and at the end of
[42:52] Speaker 4: last season. They're struggling a little bit now. What's going on?
[42:56] Speaker 4: Do you have an idea?
[42:56] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[42:59] Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that they've got the right guard position
[43:03] Speaker 5: has obviously been a little bit of an issue.
[43:07] Speaker 2: And now, I don't.
[43:09] Speaker 5: Know if Anthony Bradford comes back this week or not,
[43:11] Speaker 5: but it sounds like he may be getting close. And
[43:15] Speaker 5: then they just are going to have to be able
[43:17] Speaker 5: to find some pops. out of that running back position,
[43:21] Speaker 5: somebody that can still take that outside zone and get
[43:26] Speaker 5: it around the edge. And, you know, who knows who
[43:29] Speaker 5: it's going to be? I mean, it might be Bayless
[43:31] Speaker 5: Jones had a couple of nice runs in that game
[43:34] Speaker 5: the other day and managed to get outside. You know,
[43:38] Speaker 5: it could be Rashid Shaheed. that they lined up in
[43:42] Speaker 5: the backfield a couple of times and they'll hand them
[43:44] Speaker 5: the ball or reverses. But they've got to find a
[43:46] Speaker 5: way to stretch those defenses the way that they did
[43:49] Speaker 5: last year with K-9. And if they do, I think
[43:54] Speaker 5: they're going to be fine anyway. Honestly, this is a
[43:57] Speaker 5: really good team with an outstanding defense, a really good
[44:00] Speaker 5: offensive line. So I'm not worried about them. I'm really not.
[44:06] Speaker 4: You know what? And I have to do this. Dave is...
[44:10] Speaker 4: And Dick, don't want me to do this, but my
[44:13] Speaker 4: daughter wanted me to ask you a question. So I'm
[44:16] Speaker 4: not going to ask you. Okay, that's fine.
[44:17] Speaker 2: Do it.
[44:18] Speaker 4: Go for it. No, they're big football fans. And the
[44:23] Speaker 4: injuries seem to be, you know, and I would agree.
[44:28] Speaker 4: They don't play any of the guys in the preseason.
[44:31] Speaker 4: And then there just seems to be a bigger, bigger,
[44:35] Speaker 4: the Rams, injuries, injuries. How do you look at that?
[44:40] Speaker 4: Do you have any feelings about the injury situation?
[44:44] Speaker 5: Mike, these guys are so big and so fast right now.
[44:49] Speaker 5: I'm not sure I could outrun the defensive linemen that
[44:51] Speaker 5: are playing out there right now. It's almost like you
[44:56] Speaker 5: need to expand the size of the field. They are
[44:59] Speaker 5: going so fast into each other. I watched some of
[45:03] Speaker 5: these new kickoffs that they have. And, you know, everybody
[45:06] Speaker 5: that's running down there now used to be defensive backs and,
[45:10] Speaker 5: you know, maybe linebackers. Now they've got huge people running
[45:14] Speaker 5: down there and big 220-pound running backs running it back
[45:18] Speaker 5: the other way.
[45:19] Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, my.
[45:20] Speaker 5: I mean, some of the collisions on those kickoffs are
[45:23] Speaker 5: downright frightening. So I think it's the way they train.
[45:28] Speaker 5: You know, I mean, somebody that would be 6'2, 200
[45:33] Speaker 5: pounds back in my day is probably 6'2, 220 pounds
[45:38] Speaker 5: of muscle in today's game. And the guys play their
[45:41] Speaker 5: guts out. I mean, the one thing you have to
[45:43] Speaker 5: say about watching them play, they're amazing. It's like they
[45:48] Speaker 5: have no fear. And they just play so hard. I
[45:53] Speaker 5: really admire the game. You know, I never like to
[45:56] Speaker 5: say that, you know, Their error was better than my
[46:00] Speaker 5: error or anything like that. But I watch them, and
[46:02] Speaker 5: sometimes I just shake my head and go, oh, my gosh,
[46:04] Speaker 5: I'm so glad I don't play in this error. Because, one,
[46:09] Speaker 5: I think I would have about 150 fumbles if I
[46:11] Speaker 5: played the way they punch the ball out now. I mean,
[46:14] Speaker 5: it's an incredible brand of football right now.
[46:17] Speaker 4: It really is. No, you know, I was on the
[46:20] Speaker 4: competition committee for a number of years, and I will
[46:23] Speaker 4: tell you, I would have voted no. on the new
[46:27] Speaker 4: kickoff rules wow i don't they're saying they're saying there's
[46:32] Speaker 4: less they did it for so to avoid collisions and
[46:36] Speaker 4: there's i don't see that at all i.
[46:41] Speaker 5: I don't you know what i'd rather have them do
[46:43] Speaker 5: i i would say we're going to give you the
[46:47] Speaker 5: ball on whatever yard line you want to and you
[46:50] Speaker 5: do the math for whatever the percentage of success you
[46:52] Speaker 5: want it to be but it's now fourth and 12,
[46:55] Speaker 5: let's say. If you want to go for it, run
[46:59] Speaker 5: your offense out there and go for it. If you
[47:01] Speaker 5: want to kick it, send the punter out and punt it.
[47:05] Speaker 5: But then it turns into a punt instead of a
[47:07] Speaker 5: kickoff if you're going to kick, but you can go
[47:10] Speaker 5: for it at any time. So you eliminate the onside kick,
[47:14] Speaker 5: bring your quarterback, bring your wide receivers out there, fourth
[47:17] Speaker 5: and 12. You want to play make it, take it,
[47:20] Speaker 5: go for it. If not, we're going to punt the
[47:22] Speaker 5: football and we're going to have two people running down
[47:24] Speaker 5: the field instead of 11 lunatics trying to kill each
[47:26] Speaker 5: other and keep these guys alive.
[47:29] Speaker 4: A little longer.
[47:30] Speaker 2: No, I love that.
[47:31] Speaker 3: Well, Chris Collinsworth is with us, and Chris, it's Softee
[47:34] Speaker 3: real quick, and just going back to what Mike was
[47:36] Speaker 3: asking about with Sam, and I asked Mike earlier kind
[47:38] Speaker 3: of what his rope would be like with Darnold, you know,
[47:41] Speaker 3: is there a point you would get to with these interceptions?
[47:44] Speaker 3: He's got seven the last four games. He's on pace
[47:46] Speaker 3: for 20. He's been sacked 13 times the last three games,
[47:50] Speaker 3: by the way. I mean, are you telling yourself that, hey,
[47:53] Speaker 3: this is my guy for the entire.
[47:55] Speaker 2: Year, and there's nothing he can do to get benched?
[47:58] Speaker 3: Or is there a limit for you before you would
[48:00] Speaker 3: consider giving the ball back to Drew Locke?
[48:04] Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Drew Locke was really good, right? He's
[48:06] Speaker 5: still ranked as one of the top quarterbacks in the league.
[48:09] Speaker 5: So I think it would be crazy to totally dismiss that.
[48:14] Speaker 5: But I think that you tied together the two right things.
[48:17] Speaker 5: and that is that he's been getting hit a lot.
[48:21] Speaker 5: And he's been under pressure even when he hasn't been
[48:24] Speaker 5: getting hit. And I just don't think that works for
[48:28] Speaker 5: almost any quarterback. There may be five or six quarterbacks
[48:31] Speaker 5: in the entire NFL that can function when they're getting
[48:35] Speaker 5: under pressure. So I don't know what the solution is.
[48:38] Speaker 5: It may be leaving more people in the block. It
[48:41] Speaker 5: may be running the football more. but they've got to
[48:44] Speaker 5: find a way to get him comfortable.
[48:47] Speaker 4: And whether it's.
[48:48] Speaker 5: Bootlegs, max protection, whatever it is, they've got to make
[48:53] Speaker 5: him confident because he has taken a lot of shots
[48:58] Speaker 5: with free runners, you know, with people that have had
[49:02] Speaker 5: pretty clean paths to the quarterback. So anytime a quarterback
[49:08] Speaker 5: has bad numbers, whether it's sacks, interceptions, fumbles, whatever it is,
[49:13] Speaker 5: I tend to go back to the source of, okay,
[49:16] Speaker 5: how are they doing running the football? Not as well, right?
[49:20] Speaker 5: as they were last year. How are they doing with
[49:22] Speaker 5: their pass protection? Not as well as they were last year.
[49:26] Speaker 5: So I'd like to see them with those two things
[49:29] Speaker 5: a little more solid, and then I'll give you a
[49:32] Speaker 5: final judgment and tell you whether or not I'd make
[49:35] Speaker 5: that move.
[49:36] Speaker 2: Got it. Well, Chris, we appreciate you joining us again.
[49:38] Speaker 2: This is Dick.
[49:38] Speaker 6: You know, the under-talked about part of this team is
[49:41] Speaker 6: the defense. I mean, almost all of the metrics say
[49:44] Speaker 6: that this Hawks D is even better than last year's
[49:46] Speaker 6: Hawks D.
[49:47] Speaker 2: Some, they're as good as any team.
[49:48] Speaker 6: Yards per play, they're as good as any team since
[49:50] Speaker 6: the 08 Steelers right now through the first six games.
[49:53] Speaker 2: But numbers can lie.
[49:54] Speaker 6: So what you're seeing on film, is that what the
[49:58] Speaker 6: numbers are saying or are the numbers lying a little bit?
[50:02] Speaker 5: No, I think this team is phenomenal on the defensive side.
[50:06] Speaker 5: I just, I really do. There's some really special players
[50:11] Speaker 5: over there. Demarcus Lawrence and Leonard Williams, those two old
[50:16] Speaker 5: guys make me proud, man. I'm glad I'm an old
[50:18] Speaker 5: guy watching them play football over there. It's incredible. I mean,
[50:23] Speaker 5: the hustle and the effort they put forth. Ernest Jones,
[50:26] Speaker 5: a great you know, guy in the middle to lead
[50:29] Speaker 5: this team. Byron Murphy's on his way to being a star.
[50:34] Speaker 5: I mean, he really is. That guy's an amazing athlete inside.
[50:37] Speaker 5: Devin Witherspoon, I can watch play all day. I mean,
[50:41] Speaker 5: he plays like a lunatic out there. And, oh, by
[50:43] Speaker 5: the way, he may be the best cover guy in football.
[50:46] Speaker 5: And Nicky Emanwuri, when we were watching him in the
[50:49] Speaker 5: playoffs and getting ready for the Super Bowl last year,
[50:51] Speaker 5: I just kept shaking my head. I'm like, how is
[50:54] Speaker 5: this guy human? He's that big. He looks like a
[50:56] Speaker 5: linebacker out there playing DB, flying around and just crushing people.
[51:01] Speaker 5: Julian Lowe's playing well. I mean, this is a first-class
[51:05] Speaker 5: defensive football team that if they really get it right,
[51:10] Speaker 5: if they really get on their game the way that
[51:12] Speaker 5: they were in the second half of that Denver game,
[51:15] Speaker 5: I honestly believe that they're going to become the force
[51:17] Speaker 5: that they were at the end of the year, too.
[51:20] Speaker 4: Well, Chris, I can't thank you enough for coming on.
[51:22] Speaker 4: It was really nice talking with you and You know what?
[51:26] Speaker 4: I watch you, and you just get better and better
[51:28] Speaker 4: and better every year. And so I wish I would
[51:32] Speaker 4: have stayed in TV. You know?
[51:34] Speaker 2: Really. We got a spot for you, my man.
[51:38] Speaker 5: Come on up.
[51:39] Speaker 4: No, but, hey, thank you for coming on. We really
[51:41] Speaker 4: appreciate it. And good luck the rest of this season, okay?
[51:45] Speaker 2: Thanks, Chris.
[51:46] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[51:47] Speaker 5: Pleasure, guys. Thank you.
[51:49] Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, man. That was great.
[51:51] Speaker 5: See?
[51:51] Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need us. It's unbelievable.
[51:54] Speaker 3: I thought maybe you kind of needed us to babysit
[51:57] Speaker 3: you a little bit, but.
[51:58] Speaker 2: You really don't. You've really grown into this role. Yeah,
[52:01] Speaker 2: he's graduating. Why don't you try doing 3-7 one day
[52:03] Speaker 2: by yourself? How's that sound? That's a great idea. Hey, listen,
[52:06] Speaker 2: before you go, we've got some news here. I think
[52:09] Speaker 2: it's great.
[52:11] Speaker 3: I think it's been a long time coming that you
[52:13] Speaker 3: deserve it. You've done it before, but you're going to
[52:15] Speaker 3: get quite an honor here. Monday night game against the
[52:19] Speaker 3: Chicago Bears.
[52:22] Speaker 2: Tell people what you're doing before the game.
[52:24] Speaker 4: Well, Seahawks, it was nice. They asked me if I'd
[52:28] Speaker 4: raise the 12-man flag. All right. You know, Monday night football.
[52:32] Speaker 2: I love it.
[52:33] Speaker 4: And now I just have to make sure I can
[52:35] Speaker 4: walk up the stairs to get up there high enough. But, no,
[52:39] Speaker 4: it is quite an honor. And I hope I can
[52:44] Speaker 4: do it with dry eyes.
[52:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's great, man. You deserve it. You deserve it, man,
[52:49] Speaker 3: no doubt. Do Dick and I get to go up
[52:50] Speaker 3: there with.
[52:51] Speaker 2: You, by the way?
[52:51] Speaker 5: Sure.
[52:52] Speaker 2: That'd be fun, actually.
[52:53] Speaker 5: Why not?
[52:53] Speaker 2: That'd be really cool.
[52:54] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[52:54] Speaker 2: I mean, you know, what do you think of us
[52:56] Speaker 2: for once in your life?
[52:57] Speaker 5: No, I know.
[52:58] Speaker 4: I'll ask, and we'll see if they'll let you.
[53:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. Jackson, you want to come? You want to go
[53:02] Speaker 2: walk up there with Mike?
[53:03] Speaker 4: The heck?
[53:03] Speaker 2: Why not? How about we do a contest?
[53:05] Speaker 3: Invite the KJR listeners to come up there as well. Well,
[53:09] Speaker 3: that's a great honor. So that's Monday night, November the 2nd.
[53:12] Speaker 3: You're doing the 12-man flag for the Bears game.
[53:14] Speaker 5: Yes.
[53:14] Speaker 2: That is awesome. All right, you're the best. Great stuff.
[53:16] Speaker 2: Good to see you.
[53:17] Speaker 4: Thanks, guys.
[53:18] Speaker 2: Great job with Collinsworth, and we'll talk in a week,
[53:19] Speaker 2: all right? All right, perfect. All right, Mike Holmgren with
[53:21] Speaker 2: us on the air. How about that?
[53:23] Speaker 3: Coach Holmgren raising the flag for the Bears game on
[53:25] Speaker 3: Monday Night Football on the 2nd of November.
[53:29] Speaker 2: We're going to break.
[53:29] Speaker 3: A lot more to get to, including Brian Schmetzer, right, Jackson? 545, Kraken,
[53:34] Speaker 3: Wooly Mammoth coming up at 630. Pre-game, Mike Benton joins
[53:37] Speaker 3: us in the 6 p.m. hour as we continue from
[53:39] Speaker 3: the 520 Bar and Grill right here On 93.3 KJRFM.

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