# The Traitor’s Circle: the price of standing up against evil

An episode of [The Two Matts](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1236139906), 16 Sep 2025, 56 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/648c40140701dc00113b4626/e/68c91cf7dd14506ae328ebd3/media.mp3

The Matts are joined by author and journalist Jonathan Freedland to discuss his remarkable new book, The Traitor’s Circle. It’s a forensically-researched historical story of resistance against the Nazis from inside Germany. Written in the style of a classic whodunnit, Freedland has created a thriller that not only sheds new light on the actions of at least some Germans during the war - but also sounds a warning about the state of the world today and the indications that fascism is once more gaining ground. It’s a brilliant, engrossing conversation about a brilliant, engrossing book. Enjoy! Buy The Traitor’s Circle: https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-traitors-circle/jonathan-freedland/9781399813679 OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/2matts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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