# Special: Exploring the Ghosts of Iron Mountain with Phil Tinline

An episode of [The Two Matts](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1236139906), 7 May 2026, 47 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/648c40140701dc00113b4626/e/69fc6ffd7628afabb9971f00/media.mp3

The Matts sit down with Phil Tinline to discuss his book The Ghosts of Iron Mountain - genuinely one of the most fascinating and consequential stories of our age. Phil tells how a 1967 hoax report into the desirability (or lack of it) of peace in America triggered a culture of conspiracy and paranoia which not only infects American politics today, but sometimes dictates it to a quite surreal degree. It’s a fascinating and wide-ranging conversation... enjoy! And once you’ve listened to the pod, do get Phil’s book The Ghosts of Iron Mountain in paperback, out today! Produced by Matt Withers OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/2matts/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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