# Becoming a Best Ball Bro: Do Rankings Matter?

An episode of [The Late-Round Fantasy Football Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1224965828), 8 Jul 2026, 1 h 12 min.

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JJ and Rich break down a recent best ball draft that JJ livestreamed before discussing some of the biggest ADP risers and fallers. Then, Toxic Tower's Best Ball Guy (better known as BBG or Eric) joins the show to talk about the transition from season-long fantasy to best ball, the role of rankings, roster construction, strategy, and much more. ---------- Download the DraftKings Daily Fantasy app and sign up with promo code LATEROUND. Enter a lineup in the $20 million Best Ball contest for $25 and get a bonus ticket for a second entry — two shots at the title. Draft One, Get One, only on DraftKings. The Crown Is Yours. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Help is available for problem gambling. Call (888) 789-7777 or visit ccpg.org (CT). 18+ in most eligible states, but age varies by jurisdiction. Eligibility restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. 1 per customer. Must enter a lineup into the NFL Best Ball $20M Headliner Contest. $25 entry fee. Bonus issued as 1 ticket to NFL Best Ball $20M Headliner Contest. Ticket reward is site credit valid for use only on NFL Best Ball $20M Headliner Contest. Ticket reward is single-use and expires at contest lock on 9/9/26. See terms at https://www.draftkings.com/promotions. Ends 9/9/26 at contest lock. Sponsored by DraftKings. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Rich, How was your Fourth of July? Man?
[0:03] Speaker 2: It was great.
[0:03] Speaker 3: We hung out by the pool, had some glizzies, watched
[0:07] Speaker 3: some things blow up. It was as American as apple
[0:10] Speaker 3: pie a j What about you?
[0:12] Speaker 1: Nice? Mine was great? Pretty similar. We went to the pool.
[0:15] Speaker 4: I had this American flag themed, you know, red white
[0:18] Speaker 4: and blue outfit going.
[0:20] Speaker 1: I had American flag swimsuit.
[0:22] Speaker 4: I had this like, you know, sort of button up
[0:25] Speaker 4: American flag, you know, red white and blue shirt going on.
[0:29] Speaker 4: And then I was wearing a hat, a red, white
[0:31] Speaker 4: and blue hat. And as I was at the pool,
[0:34] Speaker 4: I got a couple people commenting saying, man, I really
[0:36] Speaker 4: like your hat, and it was red, white and blue.
[0:39] Speaker 4: But I thought about it and I realized I was
[0:42] Speaker 4: wearing a Quebec nor Deeke's hat. I was wearing a
[0:45] Speaker 4: Canadian hat on.
[0:46] Speaker 1: The fourth of July. I'm JJ And over the last couple.
[0:50] Speaker 4: Of years, I've been doing everything I can to be
[0:52] Speaker 4: a best ball bro. And last season things finally fell
[0:55] Speaker 4: into place.
[0:56] Speaker 1: I got fortieth in the.
[0:57] Speaker 4: DraftKings Milli Contest, taking home twenty thousand dollars. Maybe I
[1:01] Speaker 4: became a best ball bro, but I'm still looking to
[1:04] Speaker 4: learn more about this game.
[1:05] Speaker 1: And I still want others to come on this ride
[1:08] Speaker 1: with me.
[1:09] Speaker 4: So even if you consider me a best ball bro,
[1:11] Speaker 4: this could be your year. This could be the year
[1:14] Speaker 4: that you officially become a best ball bro.
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[2:13] Speaker 4: another episode of becoming a Best ball Bro. I'm JJ
[2:16] Speaker 4: Zacharies and joined as always by Rich Ryan Rich.
[2:19] Speaker 1: What's going on, Buddy?
[2:20] Speaker 2: Doing good? Buddy, you weren't far off.
[2:23] Speaker 3: Canada Day is July first, and the only reason I
[2:26] Speaker 3: know that is because my son was born on July first,
[2:30] Speaker 3: and my brother lives in Ontario, so they thought it
[2:34] Speaker 3: was hilarious that I had a child on Canada Day.
[2:38] Speaker 4: Canada feeling just as bad as we are about the
[2:41] Speaker 4: World Cup result.
[2:42] Speaker 1: I told my wife this morning.
[2:44] Speaker 4: I was like, because she fell asleep, didn't watch, didn'
[2:46] Speaker 4: end up watching the game, which I mean, smart decision
[2:49] Speaker 4: in the end. But I was like, yeah, that was
[2:51] Speaker 4: the worst soccer game that I've ever watched. And I've
[2:54] Speaker 4: watched a dozen of them, you know, I'm I've watched
[2:58] Speaker 4: so many soccer games.
[2:59] Speaker 2: This man, that was that was brilliant.
[3:03] Speaker 3: It's just emblematic of just the difference in class between
[3:07] Speaker 3: the American players and players abroad, guys that have been
[3:10] Speaker 3: in European academies and systems, and man, they really clapp
[3:15] Speaker 3: well as soon as they didn't start Kevin de Bryna.
[3:18] Speaker 3: It kind of said everything that they thought about us
[3:21] Speaker 3: as a soccer nation.
[3:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, rough, rough rough night for for Americans.
[3:27] Speaker 4: Uh, you know, but it's nice that we can all
[3:29] Speaker 4: commiserate together, like you're used to commiserating only with other
[3:32] Speaker 4: Jets fans, and that's all you can do is, uh
[3:37] Speaker 4: is go to that fan. I mean as as a
[3:39] Speaker 4: born and raised yinser, you know, it hasn't been that
[3:42] Speaker 4: that long, not not quite as long as you've been
[3:44] Speaker 4: you've been dealing with the the ls.
[3:46] Speaker 1: But anyway, we're gonna talk a little best ball today.
[3:49] Speaker 4: I don't really have that much from a game theory
[3:52] Speaker 4: what I'm seeing perspective right now. I've still kind of
[3:56] Speaker 4: been approaching drafts with the mentality of mixing things up
[4:00] Speaker 4: from a structural perspective, Like I don't want to only
[4:04] Speaker 4: go running back running back and then have these teams
[4:06] Speaker 4: that are structured the exact same way, because then I'm
[4:08] Speaker 4: not getting the right.
[4:09] Speaker 1: Exposure for certain players and such.
[4:12] Speaker 4: But I also think that, like we shouldn't assume that
[4:15] Speaker 4: there's only one optimal way to draft these things. I
[4:17] Speaker 4: think that it could very easily be a year where
[4:19] Speaker 4: we get better wide receiver production, you know, especially at
[4:22] Speaker 4: the top, or you know, could be a year where
[4:24] Speaker 4: we get you know, some of these like middle round
[4:26] Speaker 4: running backs who have good pass catching profiles, Like I
[4:28] Speaker 4: don't want to just dismiss them because I'm going after
[4:30] Speaker 4: quarterbacks so frequently. So I've really been mixing up, mixing
[4:34] Speaker 4: it up quite a bit. If you guys want to
[4:35] Speaker 4: check out a draft that I actually did today. This
[4:38] Speaker 4: is on Tuesday, we're recording this. I ended up liking it.
[4:41] Speaker 4: Did you did you watch that?
[4:42] Speaker 1: By chance?
[4:43] Speaker 3: I got about halfway through, honestly, I got to say.
[4:46] Speaker 3: My favorite part of the draft, and it's something I've
[4:47] Speaker 3: I've wanted to do this entire summer, but I've not
[4:50] Speaker 3: had the chance. Is the dude that went McBride Bowers
[4:54] Speaker 3: Week seventeen matchup. I think that is a very fun
[4:58] Speaker 3: galaxy brain tight end in the flex, Like, yeah, that's
[5:02] Speaker 3: the kind of thing that I wish I could make
[5:04] Speaker 3: that click, but it just never I never get the
[5:05] Speaker 3: chance to.
[5:06] Speaker 4: I think that that it's it's one of those things
[5:08] Speaker 4: that like I wouldn't do consistently, but I would do.
[5:11] Speaker 4: I think I said it on the stream, like I'll
[5:12] Speaker 4: try to do that maybe two or three times in
[5:15] Speaker 4: you know, my one to fifty that I'm doing, just
[5:18] Speaker 4: to have that exposure to those guys because obviously, like
[5:20] Speaker 4: you said, they play each other week seventeen. You also,
[5:23] Speaker 4: you know in those situations like I'm not the kind
[5:26] Speaker 4: of drafter that believes in sort of cannibalizing the one
[5:31] Speaker 4: position like that, and sort of like take like just
[5:34] Speaker 4: like holding on to the tight end advantage.
[5:36] Speaker 1: In that way.
[5:37] Speaker 4: You know, you could make the argument that in doing so,
[5:40] Speaker 4: that means that other people in your league are then
[5:42] Speaker 4: kind of chasing that position, which I get, and I understand.
[5:46] Speaker 4: The issue that I run into with that is that
[5:48] Speaker 4: you're almost doing some other teams more of a favor
[5:51] Speaker 4: because if they're the team that ends up getting you know,
[5:54] Speaker 4: Colson Lovelin or Tyler Warren, especially past adp or something,
[5:58] Speaker 4: then then they're sitting pretty. They're sitting fine because they
[6:01] Speaker 4: can still match that tight end production to a degree,
[6:03] Speaker 4: and so you know, you're you're almost like it's it's
[6:06] Speaker 4: like the people who hoard quarterbacks, you know, and want
[6:08] Speaker 4: to go that route because I think quarterback is a
[6:10] Speaker 4: little bit easier to wrap your head around. But they
[6:12] Speaker 4: hoard quarterbacks and they say, oh, well, I'm gonna like
[6:15] Speaker 4: destroy it this position. Sure you probably will, and then
[6:18] Speaker 4: other people are not going to have very good quarterback rooms,
[6:21] Speaker 4: and therefore you know they're not they're gonna have a
[6:23] Speaker 4: harder time advancing out of out of their pod. And
[6:27] Speaker 4: I just think it's just not an optimal way to
[6:29] Speaker 4: do things, just because once you if you.
[6:31] Speaker 1: Were to get out of the pod.
[6:32] Speaker 4: First off, you're not necessarily set up to be optimal,
[6:37] Speaker 4: you know, moving forward, you know in playoff weeks because
[6:40] Speaker 4: you have really weak running backs and wide receivers and
[6:42] Speaker 4: that's very important to be good at. And I think
[6:45] Speaker 4: people kind of galaxy bring that side too much. It's
[6:48] Speaker 4: it's more defensible in my opinion, at tight end because
[6:52] Speaker 4: you can flex the tight end right where quarterback. You
[6:56] Speaker 4: know this is this is the argument too against Josh
[6:59] Speaker 4: Allen early in Best Ball, in the third round in
[7:01] Speaker 4: Best Ball, is that you know I've heard, I've seen
[7:03] Speaker 4: the argument of well, Josh Allen has the highest ceiling
[7:06] Speaker 4: in fantasy football on a week week basis, and what
[7:08] Speaker 4: if he's the guy that you need in week fifteen, sixteen,
[7:11] Speaker 4: and seventeen. Sure, you could definitely make that argument, but
[7:14] Speaker 4: I would argue very strongly and very easily that there
[7:18] Speaker 4: are late round quarterbacks who can match Josh Allen's weekly
[7:20] Speaker 4: upside and a given we see it all the time.
[7:22] Speaker 4: I mean the team that I got fortieth last year
[7:25] Speaker 4: in the in the Millie had brock Perty in it,
[7:27] Speaker 4: and he was like, what do he score like forty
[7:29] Speaker 4: to forty five points in the in the championship, you know,
[7:32] Speaker 4: And so I don't think that it's as applicable to
[7:35] Speaker 4: the quarterback position as it would be at tight end,
[7:38] Speaker 4: where yeah, like Brock Bauers and Trey McBride.
[7:42] Speaker 1: They're weekly ceiling.
[7:43] Speaker 4: From a probability driven of course, like a Kyle Pitts
[7:46] Speaker 4: game can happen, or you know, you'll see a randomly
[7:48] Speaker 4: round tight end, but from just strictly like a probability
[7:51] Speaker 4: driven perspective, it's much more predictable that it would happen
[7:55] Speaker 4: with one of the elite tight ends as opposed to
[7:57] Speaker 4: one of the late round tight ends. And that that
[7:59] Speaker 4: dichotomy with the quarter position.
[8:01] Speaker 3: So you said you liked the draft after you were
[8:03] Speaker 3: in the eleven spot, after last night the night prior
[8:06] Speaker 3: not liking your.
[8:07] Speaker 2: Draft out of the eleven spot. So so what was
[8:09] Speaker 2: the difference there? Why'd you like this draft so much?
[8:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, I like this one. I ended up getting a
[8:14] Speaker 4: Minnesota stack. So I got Justin Jefferson at the one eleven,
[8:17] Speaker 4: which was a nice little fall, a little like a
[8:19] Speaker 4: slight fall, you know, I'll usually get like one oh nine,
[8:21] Speaker 4: one ten.
[8:22] Speaker 1: So I got Justin Jefferson.
[8:23] Speaker 4: There the problem in the one to eleven spot in
[8:25] Speaker 4: the one twelve is that you have to make a
[8:26] Speaker 4: decision as to which running back you're going to take.
[8:29] Speaker 4: If you do go wide receiver first, or you know,
[8:31] Speaker 4: you could maybe see de Lamb or Justin Jefferson falls,
[8:34] Speaker 4: but if they don't, then you know, I'm not really
[8:36] Speaker 4: taking Drake London in that area. I see Brock Bauers
[8:39] Speaker 4: fall too often into the more later parts of the
[8:41] Speaker 4: second round to really go Bauers. So the decision really
[8:44] Speaker 4: comes down to taking a running back, and I'm trying
[8:46] Speaker 4: to you know, I was really heavy on Chase Brown
[8:48] Speaker 4: earlier in uh in May, and so I have a
[8:51] Speaker 4: decent amount of Chase Brown. I'm not just clicking the
[8:54] Speaker 4: same guys over and over again. So I ended up
[8:56] Speaker 4: taking Mario and Hampton, and then with taking Mario and
[8:59] Speaker 4: hamon the nice party, Islad Mconkee often finds himself in
[9:02] Speaker 4: that three four turn area, so.
[9:03] Speaker 1: I got Lad.
[9:04] Speaker 4: So I started that Chargers stack a little bit, and
[9:07] Speaker 4: then I got Bashall Tuton and Parker Washington as a
[9:10] Speaker 4: jag stack.
[9:11] Speaker 1: And then I realized very quickly that they have the same.
[9:13] Speaker 4: Buy as the Chargers, so I couldn't double tab Justin
[9:17] Speaker 4: Herbert with Trevor Lawrence, which telaw almost made it back
[9:20] Speaker 4: to me again in the ninth round, which would have
[9:22] Speaker 4: been crazy because that's a huge value.
[9:24] Speaker 1: It was only two picks away.
[9:25] Speaker 4: But I got Justin Herbert, and then Jalen Warren also
[9:29] Speaker 4: fell to the late seventh, so the team was like
[9:31] Speaker 4: looking good from just like a CLV, you know, ADP
[9:34] Speaker 4: value perspective, and then I ended up getting Kyler, which
[9:37] Speaker 4: was really nice to get that Minnesota stack, and then
[9:39] Speaker 4: the rest of the draft I think kind of fell
[9:40] Speaker 4: into place. It was a good, strong, structural draft the
[9:44] Speaker 4: one that I did last night. From the eleventh spot,
[9:46] Speaker 4: it was just one of those drafts were like one
[9:48] Speaker 4: or two picks away from so many guys that would
[9:50] Speaker 4: have made it great. And then I kind of had
[9:52] Speaker 4: to force a Green Bay stack and I got Matthew Golden,
[9:55] Speaker 4: who I'm not like super super high on and I'm
[9:57] Speaker 4: not low one necessarily at his price, but I'm definitely
[10:00] Speaker 4: on high on he's a really bad market score two.
[10:02] Speaker 4: So it's just that kind of thing where where you know,
[10:04] Speaker 4: it fell into place a little bit more than what
[10:06] Speaker 4: I saw today. And really like today's draft, like getting
[10:10] Speaker 4: some of these values because there were some really weird
[10:12] Speaker 4: things going on in the front half of the draft,
[10:15] Speaker 4: like really weird stuff like the two three turn was
[10:19] Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Malik Neighbors, right, And so I hated that
[10:23] Speaker 4: I wasn't on that side of the board because usually
[10:25] Speaker 4: when you're on that side of the side of the
[10:27] Speaker 4: board where like weird things are happening, that's what we.
[10:29] Speaker 3: Can immediately poun your right, you don't get like the
[10:32] Speaker 3: wave of value, like the immediate exactly.
[10:36] Speaker 4: So like I knew that as guys would fall, because
[10:38] Speaker 4: guys were gonna fall if Moliku Neighbors and Josh Allen
[10:40] Speaker 4: were going a little bit earlier, but I wasn't gonna
[10:42] Speaker 4: benefit from that, probably because I would hit that wall.
[10:44] Speaker 4: But I think the biggest value was probably Jalen Warren.
[10:46] Speaker 4: He usually goes in that like six seven area. I
[10:48] Speaker 4: got him in the seven eight area, which which was
[10:50] Speaker 4: really nice. Then, like I said, I almost got Trevor
[10:52] Speaker 4: Lawrence even later. But yeah, check out that that draft.
[10:56] Speaker 4: You know see what I did. I think that from
[10:57] Speaker 4: like a structural perspective, it's what I tried to do.
[11:00] Speaker 4: You know, where I wasn't locked into an RB RB start.
[11:04] Speaker 4: I wasn't locked into any sort of particular strategy. It
[11:07] Speaker 4: just kind of fell into place, and I was thinking.
[11:09] Speaker 4: I do think in the eleven spot it's a lot
[11:11] Speaker 4: easier to think one pick ahead than another spots, just
[11:14] Speaker 4: because you can you can look at what the one
[11:17] Speaker 4: twelve is doing and know that, like in the one
[11:21] Speaker 4: twelve in this case, took Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow right,
[11:25] Speaker 4: so that like I'm like, oh, well, then I could
[11:27] Speaker 4: I could get Jalen Warren in this spot where I
[11:29] Speaker 4: was going to get Justin Herbert, because if this team
[11:32] Speaker 4: that drafted Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrows Justin Herbert, that's
[11:35] Speaker 4: just a bad beat, you know. That's just that's just
[11:36] Speaker 4: not something that I'm gonna predict or like think that
[11:39] Speaker 4: that someone's gonna be that irrational.
[11:40] Speaker 1: And they didn't, you know.
[11:41] Speaker 4: So I was able to push Justin Herbert a couple
[11:43] Speaker 4: of picks while still getting a running back, a player
[11:47] Speaker 4: in that upper tier. So I think that is the
[11:50] Speaker 4: advantage usually of like the ten eleven. But overall, I'm
[11:54] Speaker 4: not like in love with with that, you know, draft
[11:56] Speaker 4: slot in general, I don't know, I think, what do
[11:59] Speaker 4: you think the worst draft slot is? Do you have
[12:01] Speaker 4: Do you have any take on that, like maybe the
[12:02] Speaker 4: one ten, one oh nine.
[12:05] Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think towards the end of the first
[12:07] Speaker 3: round there is is a little bit worse because you
[12:10] Speaker 3: don't get the benefit of picking one of the elite
[12:12] Speaker 3: players right off of the top right. And this is
[12:15] Speaker 3: the pocket we talked about last year. What that beginning
[12:17] Speaker 3: of the second round where it's just kind of like
[12:21] Speaker 3: very flat until the third round, and you're just you're
[12:25] Speaker 3: making a bet that isn't very certain, right, so at
[12:30] Speaker 3: least you get to you can randomize a lot, right,
[12:32] Speaker 3: You can get a lot of exposure to a lot
[12:34] Speaker 3: of different players at the start of the second round.
[12:36] Speaker 3: But it doesn't feel like whenever you make that bet,
[12:38] Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like the best bet.
[12:40] Speaker 4: You know, well, it's because that's because that same tier
[12:42] Speaker 4: player is falling to the middle and late second round,
[12:44] Speaker 4: you know, and so you're not getting like a tier
[12:47] Speaker 4: up with a lot of those guys. And if you're
[12:49] Speaker 4: in like the one oh three, you know, obviously one
[12:51] Speaker 4: on one, one oh two you get one of the
[12:53] Speaker 4: running backs. But even in those spots, you know, you
[12:56] Speaker 4: you can get following values into the two h two
[12:59] Speaker 4: or to a eleven range, let's say, and you might
[13:01] Speaker 4: get like a brock Bowers or Dereck Henry all the
[13:03] Speaker 4: way down there at times. And then in the third
[13:06] Speaker 4: round you might still be able to get like Nico Collins,
[13:08] Speaker 4: you know, like there's still so like there's a and
[13:11] Speaker 4: then in the fourth round in that area you could
[13:13] Speaker 4: get a falling value out of the great wide receiver
[13:15] Speaker 4: tier in double tap there. So like to me, there's
[13:18] Speaker 4: there's if you're in the one o two, there are magical,
[13:21] Speaker 4: magical drafts that can happen in my opinion, from like
[13:23] Speaker 4: a tiering standpoint and projection standpoint. But then it's a
[13:26] Speaker 4: lot safer for those things that happen in like the
[13:28] Speaker 4: you know, one oh four to one oh five range
[13:30] Speaker 4: or so, and then once you get past you know,
[13:33] Speaker 4: like I like am and Ross Saint Brown a lot,
[13:36] Speaker 4: so I think that that's fine if if you want
[13:37] Speaker 4: to say one o eight or whatever, even one o seven.
[13:40] Speaker 1: But you know, once you get into that like one
[13:42] Speaker 1: oh nine to one eleven one twelve range.
[13:44] Speaker 3: What's the mistake someone before you can make that you
[13:47] Speaker 3: can capitalize on, like we are we pumping our fists
[13:50] Speaker 3: when Jonathan Taylor falls to us, like.
[13:53] Speaker 1: Now you're you're really hoping.
[13:54] Speaker 4: I think I think the big thing is that you're
[13:56] Speaker 4: hoping for a Justin Jefferson or Cedde Lamb to fall,
[14:01] Speaker 4: because that's the one way to really differentiate your build,
[14:05] Speaker 4: right because otherwise you're just going running back, running back,
[14:07] Speaker 4: and that's what most people are doing from that area
[14:09] Speaker 4: of the draft. And so you know, you're not you're
[14:12] Speaker 4: not able to differentiate. But if you're in like the
[14:14] Speaker 4: one oh nine and you get Justin Jefferson and then
[14:16] Speaker 4: Ceedee Lamb falls to the to the you know, middle
[14:19] Speaker 4: parts of the second or your second round pick, that's where, oh,
[14:22] Speaker 4: now I have a different type of build. So I'm
[14:23] Speaker 4: just gonna naturally have different combinations than someone else would have.
[14:26] Speaker 2: Let's get up some risers and followers.
[14:29] Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's look at it.
[14:30] Speaker 3: Let's start with Rashid Shaheed exiting the offensive coordinator from Seattle,
[14:37] Speaker 3: so a new look offense this year up in the
[14:41] Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest. But people are starting to latch on to Shaheed.
[14:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean I think that Shaheed's a really
[14:49] Speaker 4: good best ball pick right now, and I've I'm ahead
[14:52] Speaker 4: of him in my rankings versus the market at the moment,
[14:55] Speaker 4: he was almost He's not gonna be a late round
[14:57] Speaker 4: dart throw in.
[14:57] Speaker 1: The guide, but he's so close.
[14:59] Speaker 4: Like he's one of those players that I could easily
[15:00] Speaker 4: envision myself writing him up, you know, in future weeks
[15:03] Speaker 4: after the Draft Guide releases, and because I do update
[15:06] Speaker 4: the Guide every week. You know, if you look at
[15:07] Speaker 4: his peripherals and his usage last year after the trade,
[15:12] Speaker 4: not fantastic. But I also think that we need to
[15:15] Speaker 4: be realistic about what happened. You know, Like he was
[15:17] Speaker 4: traded mid season, He's in a new offense. Even if
[15:20] Speaker 4: he was familiar with the offense, he's still in a
[15:22] Speaker 4: new offense. I mean, it's a different kind of situation.
[15:24] Speaker 4: I think Seattle and we even saw in the playoffs,
[15:26] Speaker 4: like Seattle added Shahed not just because Tory Horton was
[15:29] Speaker 4: banged up and they didn't want to necessarily rely on
[15:31] Speaker 4: him in that role, but special teams and that was
[15:34] Speaker 4: a huge part. Like he played a huge role on
[15:38] Speaker 4: their Super Bowl run, right, So, like it was a
[15:40] Speaker 4: massively favorable move that Seattle made to get Shahed. But
[15:45] Speaker 4: we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that not only
[15:49] Speaker 4: has Shahed had like not only has he had like
[15:52] Speaker 4: crazy yards per route run seasons historically.
[15:55] Speaker 1: But we saw a nice shift also in Chris A.
[15:58] Speaker 4: Lave's target share after she Shehed left, which means Shaheed
[16:02] Speaker 4: was taking targets away in a you know, in a
[16:06] Speaker 4: way from one of the better wide receivers in the
[16:08] Speaker 4: game in Chris Alave. And so, you know, you bring
[16:11] Speaker 4: all that together. I also have become more bullish on
[16:15] Speaker 4: the Seahawks throwing the ball a little bit more this
[16:17] Speaker 4: year because we know statistically that defenses tend to regress
[16:22] Speaker 4: year over years. It's essentially gonna be very hard for
[16:24] Speaker 4: Seattle to be as good, not that they have a
[16:26] Speaker 4: bad defense, it's just to be hard for them to
[16:28] Speaker 4: be as good as they were last year defensively. And
[16:30] Speaker 4: so you bring all that together and you're like, yeah,
[16:32] Speaker 4: she Hed in a range of the draft that just
[16:34] Speaker 4: kind of sucks in general. Why not throw that dart
[16:37] Speaker 4: and go after him?
[16:38] Speaker 3: Yeah, Seattle best defense across the board. You look at
[16:41] Speaker 3: any EPA DVOA metric. I don't know if you heard that,
[16:45] Speaker 3: but must have fit a goal in the World Cup game.
[16:48] Speaker 3: But yeah, even if they dip down to like a
[16:50] Speaker 3: top five, top seven defense, that increases the number of
[16:54] Speaker 3: opportunities for the offense and situations where they just need
[16:57] Speaker 3: to score more. Right, So, where a team that jsn's
[17:01] Speaker 3: going off the board obviously in the first round, daring
[17:04] Speaker 3: Price in the sixth, and then no Seahawk goes off
[17:06] Speaker 3: the board until Darnold in the twelfth. Like, again, who's
[17:10] Speaker 3: gonna score, Who's going to gain yards? Like somebody has
[17:13] Speaker 3: to do something you would think you would think switching
[17:16] Speaker 3: to running back. Jordan Mason moving up in drafts right now.
[17:20] Speaker 4: So there was a report that came out this week
[17:22] Speaker 4: about how Jordan Mason is essentially going to be like
[17:26] Speaker 4: like he's he's ahead of Aaron Jones, let's say in the.
[17:29] Speaker 1: You know, from a depth start perspective.
[17:31] Speaker 4: The thing that I caution people with every year is
[17:34] Speaker 4: that fantasy football is a different game in the way
[17:37] Speaker 4: that we're scoring things versus what beat reporters will generally report.
[17:41] Speaker 4: They focus a lot on ground game work and not
[17:46] Speaker 4: the stuff that we necessarily care about, which is the
[17:48] Speaker 4: receiving work.
[17:49] Speaker 1: Like we we.
[17:50] Speaker 4: Are going to weigh receive I talk, I mean Brandon
[17:52] Speaker 4: Godola brought this up on the show that we did yesterday,
[17:56] Speaker 4: But running back target is like two two and a
[17:58] Speaker 4: half times as valuable as a running back at temp
[18:00] Speaker 4: right in fantasy football, And so a B reporter is
[18:03] Speaker 4: not thinking that way. But regardless, there is some steam
[18:08] Speaker 4: behind Jordan Mason in that backfield. And I gotta say, Rich,
[18:12] Speaker 4: as someone who faded Mason hard last.
[18:14] Speaker 1: Year, you know he was a player to avoid. I didn't.
[18:17] Speaker 4: I was not into Jordan Mason. I have never been
[18:19] Speaker 4: into Doord Mason because he's not a pass catcher. But
[18:22] Speaker 4: I think at his ADP. I mean I've drafted I
[18:25] Speaker 4: draft him today on my on that on that Minnesota
[18:28] Speaker 4: Stack team that I that I had, And the reason
[18:30] Speaker 4: for that is this is one of those profiles that
[18:32] Speaker 4: oddly is better in best ball despite him not being
[18:36] Speaker 4: a pass catching back. And the reason for that is
[18:38] Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some production. It's like Chris Rodriguez.
[18:41] Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be some production there for those guys.
[18:44] Speaker 4: I just don't know if the ceiling case is gonna
[18:46] Speaker 4: be insane because we haven't seen them be pass catchers.
[18:49] Speaker 4: But I don't want the the way that I viewed
[18:52] Speaker 4: season long to sort of like overshadow how we should
[18:57] Speaker 4: be building best ball rosters, which is, get guaranteed points
[19:00] Speaker 4: in the later rounds, Like you want those guaranteed points,
[19:03] Speaker 4: even if it's not necessarily especially in a full PPR
[19:06] Speaker 4: platform like DraftKings, even if it's not necessarily a you know,
[19:10] Speaker 4: fifteen point throughout the season outcome for Jordan Mason, which
[19:13] Speaker 4: I would be shocked by if he's a twelve point
[19:16] Speaker 4: per game player, which I think is possible in this
[19:19] Speaker 4: environment with Kyler Murray and him being a goal line
[19:22] Speaker 4: back and if you look at that backfield in general,
[19:25] Speaker 4: if we're being objective, Aaron Jones is older.
[19:28] Speaker 1: Okay.
[19:29] Speaker 4: I love Aaron Jones, and I at the beginning of
[19:31] Speaker 4: the off season, you know, I was way higher. When
[19:34] Speaker 4: I first did my my first iteration my redraft rankings,
[19:37] Speaker 4: I had a big gap between Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason.
[19:39] Speaker 1: But the more that I've thought about it, the.
[19:41] Speaker 4: More I'm like, all right, Aaron Jones is not Aaron
[19:44] Speaker 4: Jones is not young anymore.
[19:45] Speaker 1: Right, He's definitely on the wrong side of the age curve.
[19:47] Speaker 4: And then they draft him on Clayborne, who is a
[19:51] Speaker 4: smaller you know, it's like in the one eighties from
[19:54] Speaker 4: a wait perspective, speedy back who catches, who can catch
[19:57] Speaker 4: passes out of the backfield, which is more of an
[20:00] Speaker 4: Aaron Jones duplicate as opposed to a Jordan Mason one.
[20:03] Speaker 4: And so my thought process here is that I think
[20:05] Speaker 4: Mason could walk away from this season with two hundred
[20:10] Speaker 4: rush attempts realistically, just given the way that this backfield
[20:13] Speaker 4: currently sits. So do I think his ceiling is like crazy? No,
[20:17] Speaker 4: But there are definitely builds like the one that I
[20:19] Speaker 4: had today where Jordan Mason gives me a nice floor
[20:23] Speaker 4: when I when I needed that floor. And so I
[20:26] Speaker 4: think where he goes in like the one twenty five
[20:29] Speaker 4: to one thirty range, like, I'm totally fine with taking
[20:32] Speaker 4: him there. Remember last year he was going like round seven.
[20:36] Speaker 4: Like it's a completely different math equation that we're doing
[20:39] Speaker 4: here for Jordan Mason. So I'm now in on Mason.
[20:43] Speaker 4: There's a chance that he hands up as a player
[20:44] Speaker 4: to target, even though in the in the draft guide,
[20:47] Speaker 4: because of all the reasons I just talked about, and
[20:49] Speaker 4: there are some instances I'm not saying that this is
[20:52] Speaker 4: the way that I generally draft, But if you're in
[20:55] Speaker 4: a deep league. You know, if you're in a league,
[20:56] Speaker 4: there's a lot of starting lineup spots and you just
[20:59] Speaker 4: need some product. I think Jordan Mason can be okay
[21:01] Speaker 4: and those in those situations.
[21:03] Speaker 3: So the gap is narrowing between him and Jones. Right now,
[21:06] Speaker 3: there are eight spots in ADP between Jones and Jordan Mason.
[21:11] Speaker 3: Mason up three spots, Aaron Jones down half a spot
[21:15] Speaker 3: week over week. Are there any scenarios with which you
[21:19] Speaker 3: would click Mason over Aaron Jones just like to randomize,
[21:24] Speaker 3: or are you clicking Jones pretty much over Mason in
[21:28] Speaker 3: these spots.
[21:29] Speaker 1: I don't have a strong opinion.
[21:30] Speaker 4: I think that I'm just playing the ADP game right, Like,
[21:33] Speaker 4: like when one of them goes off the board, I
[21:35] Speaker 4: will click the other one within the next pick if
[21:38] Speaker 4: I need to go running back in that scenario. You know,
[21:41] Speaker 4: if I have to choose one of them, I would
[21:44] Speaker 4: say I think Jones still probably has a higher ceiling
[21:47] Speaker 4: because of the pass catching and if if my build
[21:49] Speaker 4: kind of calls for that, I'd go that direction.
[21:51] Speaker 1: Like it wouldn't chuck me at all. If Jordan Mason's
[21:53] Speaker 1: two hundred carries this year is what this really comes
[21:55] Speaker 1: down to.
[21:55] Speaker 4: You're buying that volume in even on a full PPR platform.
[22:00] Speaker 4: Chris Rodriguez is the same deal, except Rodriguez has a
[22:04] Speaker 4: much bigger hill to climb and beat right with be
[22:09] Speaker 4: shall touton where Jordan Mason doesn't have that at all.
[22:12] Speaker 4: And yes, Jacksonville's offensive environment should be better than Minnesota's.
[22:16] Speaker 1: But if you're relatively bullish.
[22:17] Speaker 4: On Kyler and what Minnesota's offense can do, then I
[22:21] Speaker 4: think that you could just argue that this backfield in
[22:23] Speaker 4: general is a little bit undervalued.
[22:24] Speaker 1: You know that we should probably be getting them a
[22:27] Speaker 1: little bit more than we are.
[22:27] Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how everyone else is drafting.
[22:29] Speaker 4: Maybe I should be getting them a little bit more
[22:31] Speaker 4: than I am. And that's what I've been doing over
[22:33] Speaker 4: the last two weeks or so, especially with Jordan Mason.
[22:37] Speaker 3: Let's talk about some followers and a guy who just
[22:40] Speaker 3: can't seem to put his phone down needs to be
[22:43] Speaker 3: live at all times. Brandon Ayuk down a full round
[22:48] Speaker 3: week over a week now into Round eighteen, so you
[22:52] Speaker 3: had been getting some exposure on Ayyuk. Are you spooked
[22:56] Speaker 3: by what is going on?
[22:58] Speaker 1: Yeah? I haven't drafted Ayuk and know week and a
[23:00] Speaker 1: half at this part.
[23:01] Speaker 4: Two weeks since since we last talked, basically, there was
[23:03] Speaker 4: a tweet from my sports update Ari on Twitter that
[23:07] Speaker 4: said forty nine Ers wide receiver Brandon Nyuk says he
[23:10] Speaker 4: won't be filing for reinstatement because he doesn't want to
[23:13] Speaker 4: do business with the team. Okay, under the scenario, and
[23:17] Speaker 4: by the way, I don't think Ayuk has an agent.
[23:19] Speaker 1: Is that is that right?
[23:20] Speaker 2: That sounds right?
[23:21] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that he's doing this without an agent. So,
[23:22] Speaker 4: I mean, you guys can fact check me on that.
[23:24] Speaker 4: Under this scenario, the forty nine Ers can leave him
[23:28] Speaker 4: on the left squad list. He would remain on the team,
[23:32] Speaker 4: but wouldn't count against the roster or receive any pay.
[23:35] Speaker 4: So Brandon Nyuk's out there on on Instagram being like,
[23:38] Speaker 4: I'm not gonna file for reinstatement because then I have
[23:41] Speaker 4: to do business with the forty nine ers and I
[23:43] Speaker 4: hate the forty nine ers, but that's literally.
[23:44] Speaker 1: The only way he can play football.
[23:46] Speaker 4: The very next Instagram post, he's like, all I want
[23:49] Speaker 4: to do is get back on the field.
[23:50] Speaker 1: It's like, bro, this is what you gotta do to
[23:52] Speaker 1: get back on the field. You gotta sign, you got
[23:54] Speaker 1: you gotta talk to the team.
[23:55] Speaker 3: You have to send one email to right just press
[23:58] Speaker 3: at forty nine ers dot com.
[24:00] Speaker 4: Yeah, and then all the drama with Jayden Daniels that's
[24:02] Speaker 4: gone on. I mean, part of me wants to believe
[24:05] Speaker 4: that it was staged and it was like a way
[24:07] Speaker 4: for something, you know, for the for the commanders to
[24:09] Speaker 4: get him cheaper, whatever the case may be.
[24:11] Speaker 1: I'm hoping that that's the case, but I don't think.
[24:13] Speaker 1: I don't know, man, the.
[24:14] Speaker 4: Way that Ayuk's been acting, I don't know if he
[24:16] Speaker 4: could think that, I mean, just be that thoughtful about,
[24:21] Speaker 4: you know, scheming something. So yeah, I mean like it's
[24:23] Speaker 4: a really crappy situation all around. I'm avoiding Ayuk right
[24:27] Speaker 4: now because before I'm like, I think he's gonna play,
[24:30] Speaker 4: I just don't know where whether that's gonna look like
[24:32] Speaker 4: I would honestly say there's a better chance to not at.
[24:34] Speaker 1: This point that he's gonna play football ever again, right.
[24:36] Speaker 4: Like, maybe it's probably like a fifty to fifty shot. Right,
[24:39] Speaker 4: Like we've seen this happen before. Deontay Johnson was not
[24:44] Speaker 4: as out in the open with all of this and
[24:46] Speaker 4: like Aaron Grievances and et cetera. And he's I mean,
[24:49] Speaker 4: look what happened to with his career, right, He's not
[24:51] Speaker 4: as good as Ayuk, but he's not a bad wide
[24:53] Speaker 4: receiver and he's out of the league essentially. So I'm
[24:57] Speaker 4: I'm very nervous about Ayuk, and so are my dynasties.
[25:00] Speaker 4: Were my dynasty bags?
[25:01] Speaker 3: My gosh, we're a couple burned feet and a cryotherapy
[25:05] Speaker 3: chamber away from the Antonio Brown trajectory.
[25:09] Speaker 1: Honestly, screw hard knocks. You just just follow Brandon Idy.
[25:12] Speaker 3: Why why not at least through like many episodes his
[25:18] Speaker 3: perhaps presumed future teammates. Bringing up Jalen, Jayden Daniels k
[25:22] Speaker 3: Tron Allen is another fall of the rookie running back
[25:25] Speaker 3: out of Washington down another four spots this week in
[25:27] Speaker 3: the eighteenth round.
[25:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if this is like I think
[25:31] Speaker 4: this could be the result of like the Rashad White
[25:33] Speaker 4: jor Cory Krofsky merrit wars that are going on right
[25:35] Speaker 4: now where people are like kind of staking a claim
[25:38] Speaker 4: on one of those guys, which, by the way, I'm
[25:40] Speaker 4: on team Rashad White.
[25:41] Speaker 1: Between those two JCM just literally has never been a
[25:44] Speaker 1: pass catcher.
[25:44] Speaker 4: He was not a pass catcher in college, he was
[25:45] Speaker 4: an older prospect, he was not a pass catcher last year.
[25:48] Speaker 4: And in this kind of scenario, I'm gonna lean towards
[25:51] Speaker 4: the pass catcher more. This isn't a situation in my opinion,
[25:54] Speaker 4: that's like Jordan Mason Aaron Jones, because Rashad Whites lie
[25:57] Speaker 4: younger than Aaron Jones, and I don't one ground game
[26:01] Speaker 4: work to cloud my judgment about how good or bad
[26:04] Speaker 4: a player is, which is what the argument always is
[26:06] Speaker 4: with Rashad White because there's a lot of variance in
[26:08] Speaker 4: volatility with rushing numbers. But Kate tron Allen, I still
[26:12] Speaker 4: think he's a decent dart because if you look at
[26:14] Speaker 4: day three running back hits over the last decade or so,
[26:17] Speaker 4: they all come from ambiguous backfields.
[26:19] Speaker 1: It just depends on how you want to define that.
[26:21] Speaker 4: But there are b one on their team is typically
[26:23] Speaker 4: drafted after RB thirty and that's what we're seeing you
[26:27] Speaker 4: in Washington. It's an ambiguous backfield. So I think you
[26:30] Speaker 4: can still throw that dart at k tron Allen. But
[26:32] Speaker 4: again this is another reason though, why you know if
[26:35] Speaker 4: you go back to the Minnesota comparison, they each have
[26:38] Speaker 4: Day three rookies attached to their backfields. Kate tron Allen
[26:41] Speaker 4: is more of the Jacory krossky Merit replacement Slash would
[26:45] Speaker 4: dig into his role because Kate tron Allen's an early
[26:47] Speaker 4: down bruiser and can still some goal line work, but
[26:50] Speaker 4: he's not much of a pass catcher, whereas Debon Claiborne
[26:53] Speaker 4: is more of the Aaron Jones archetype, right, And so
[26:55] Speaker 4: that's why I was more attracted to a guy like
[26:57] Speaker 4: Jordan Mason than I would be Jacory krossky Merit. And
[27:00] Speaker 4: so yeah, I still think though that that k tron
[27:03] Speaker 4: Allen is is an interesting click given that he's going
[27:05] Speaker 4: as late as he is.
[27:06] Speaker 3: And then we'll move to Carolina where Tuba Hubbard is
[27:09] Speaker 3: seeing a dip down two spots this week in a
[27:12] Speaker 3: more consequential seventh round.
[27:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, I've I've gotten him in the eighth at times,
[27:16] Speaker 4: Like that's when I'm that to me, that's the sweet
[27:18] Speaker 4: spot for him, Like if you know that he's going
[27:20] Speaker 4: to fall in drafts at times because of the Jonathan
[27:22] Speaker 4: Brooks love, which look, I've drafted a lot of Jonathan Brooks, I'm.
[27:25] Speaker 2: In, we're all hoping, we're all we're all open.
[27:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But Cuba.
[27:31] Speaker 4: I've had some hero RB builds or even zero RB
[27:34] Speaker 4: builds where I draft Tuba because I do think that
[27:36] Speaker 4: there's a floor, uh with with Hubbard, you know, generally speaking.
[27:40] Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, like, Cuba is more volatile than
[27:44] Speaker 4: what the mark, especially in season long when we I know,
[27:46] Speaker 4: this is the best ball show. But when you get
[27:48] Speaker 4: to your season long drafts and people are drafting off
[27:50] Speaker 4: a projection a lot more than they probably should.
[27:52] Speaker 1: Cuba is one.
[27:53] Speaker 4: Of those players where he's gonna look a lot better
[27:56] Speaker 4: from a projection standpoint than like versus it capturing his
[27:59] Speaker 4: act volatility. Like he's in a backfield where quite literally
[28:03] Speaker 4: last year, we saw this coaching staff be okay with
[28:07] Speaker 4: replacing him, you know, with with another running back that
[28:10] Speaker 4: was just playing better at the time, and you know,
[28:12] Speaker 4: Rico Dowdell cooled down a little bit down the stretch.
[28:15] Speaker 4: But if Jonathan Brooks plays well and he's a good
[28:18] Speaker 4: prospect and there's a lot of upside attached to that profile,
[28:22] Speaker 4: Chuba Hubbard can lose his job, It can lose a
[28:24] Speaker 4: big workload in that backfield because we've seen it. There's
[28:27] Speaker 4: no attachment. And I give the Panthers credit for what
[28:30] Speaker 4: they did last year, right, Like, Hubbard was not playing
[28:32] Speaker 4: as well as Rico Dowdell was and they made the switch,
[28:34] Speaker 4: and then when Dowdell started to play, that's when Hubbard's
[28:37] Speaker 4: you know, Hubbard was healthier and he was starting to
[28:39] Speaker 4: get more work and he looked a little bit better
[28:40] Speaker 4: down the stretch. Like that's what a hot hand approach
[28:43] Speaker 4: really should be. When coaches just say, oh, we're gonna
[28:46] Speaker 4: go the running back with the hot hand the most carries,
[28:49] Speaker 4: they're really just saying we're going to give the running
[28:50] Speaker 4: back we like the most the most carries. But Carolina
[28:53] Speaker 4: actually went with a hot hand approach, and because of that,
[28:55] Speaker 4: we should be open to that when we're drafting those
[28:57] Speaker 4: running backs in that backfield.
[28:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, when we have of an asset like Jonathan Brooks
[29:02] Speaker 3: who is so extremely volatile, it is not only hard
[29:07] Speaker 3: to project him, but in the same backfield somebody who
[29:11] Speaker 3: is likely to get some work, it's terribly difficult to
[29:14] Speaker 3: also project Tuba Hubbard, right, because if Brooks goes super Saiyan,
[29:18] Speaker 3: like you said, that eats into Schubert Hubbard's ability if Brooks,
[29:22] Speaker 3: if the injuries are just too much for him to sustain,
[29:25] Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, Chuba Hubbard becomes a value
[29:27] Speaker 3: here in the seventh round.
[29:28] Speaker 2: So just a very volatile asset.
[29:30] Speaker 4: Remember Hubbard was Hubbard was a fade for this show
[29:32] Speaker 4: last year, and it's because he was a fifth round pick.
[29:36] Speaker 4: And there is a significant, significant opportunity cost difference when
[29:40] Speaker 4: you're talking round five to round eight.
[29:42] Speaker 1: That's a large one, especially if you look at it
[29:45] Speaker 1: this year.
[29:45] Speaker 4: You know you're passing on like Courtland Sutton types or
[29:48] Speaker 4: Michael Wilson types or whatever. It's a huge, huge difference
[29:51] Speaker 4: versus like Christian Watson or some of these year two
[29:54] Speaker 4: running backs.
[29:55] Speaker 1: Like that's a big, big deal.
[29:56] Speaker 4: That's why, like Trube but to me is not really
[29:58] Speaker 4: a fade, just simply because of that overall. But anyway,
[30:02] Speaker 4: we have a guest for today's show. Rich If you
[30:05] Speaker 4: guys have been following Pete overs that's so you think
[30:07] Speaker 4: you can tout, then you have seen the guys from
[30:10] Speaker 4: the Toxic Tower on that show, one of them being
[30:15] Speaker 4: Best Ball Guy BBG or Eric whatever you want to
[30:17] Speaker 4: call him. Actually I asked him in this interview what
[30:20] Speaker 4: he wanted to be called, and he said, BBG's fine,
[30:22] Speaker 4: so we'll go with BBG. But he's from the Toxic Tower.
[30:25] Speaker 4: You probably saw him on, so you think you can tout.
[30:28] Speaker 4: He's got a YouTube channel of his own as well
[30:29] Speaker 4: at Best Ball Guy.
[30:31] Speaker 1: It was a great conversation.
[30:32] Speaker 4: We talked about what people might misunderstand going from Season
[30:36] Speaker 4: long to Best Ball, the importance of rankings, to the
[30:39] Speaker 4: discussion that we had last week. We talked about that
[30:41] Speaker 4: on the show in the interview some recent big name risers,
[30:45] Speaker 4: so much more. It was a great, great conversation. I
[30:48] Speaker 4: hope you guys enjoy it. So, without further ado, here's
[30:50] Speaker 4: my chat with BBG. All right, BBYG, we have a
[31:09] Speaker 4: lot of people that are kind of coming into the
[31:12] Speaker 4: draft game and the fantasy football game right now.
[31:15] Speaker 1: You know, we're post fourth of July.
[31:16] Speaker 4: This is usually the timeframe when people start getting into
[31:19] Speaker 4: it more. What do you think for people who are
[31:22] Speaker 4: maybe getting into, you know, dipping their toes into Best
[31:25] Speaker 4: Ball a little bit, what do you think folks get
[31:28] Speaker 4: wrong when thinking about Season long and then going into Best.
[31:31] Speaker 1: Ball and what are some of the pitfalls there?
[31:34] Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was imagining someone coming over from you know,
[31:39] Speaker 5: a redraft landscape into best Ball for the first time.
[31:42] Speaker 5: And one of the things that I think that people
[31:47] Speaker 5: need to realize about Best Ball is you're you're playing
[31:49] Speaker 5: a massive tournament here. That is really the big difference
[31:53] Speaker 5: here is you have these tens of thousands to hundred
[31:56] Speaker 5: of thousand person contests and essentially you cannot add and
[32:02] Speaker 5: drop players, right, That's the major difference with best Ball.
[32:05] Speaker 5: So you need to plan your teams to have not
[32:11] Speaker 5: only the fire power for the late season, which can
[32:15] Speaker 5: come sometimes from those you know, handcuff running backs, rookie
[32:19] Speaker 5: wide receivers, stuff like that, but you also need to
[32:21] Speaker 5: be careful about the fact that you can't add and
[32:24] Speaker 5: drop players. You need to also try to not take
[32:27] Speaker 5: zeros on your roster. So it's really this game of
[32:31] Speaker 5: building teams that don't have zeros but also yet have
[32:36] Speaker 5: upside baked into some of these profiles that can break
[32:39] Speaker 5: out late and give you that like late season hammer.
[32:42] Speaker 5: You really want to look down at a team in
[32:44] Speaker 5: Best Ball that advances through the regular season into Week
[32:46] Speaker 5: fifteen that has like, you know, these really fun rookies
[32:50] Speaker 5: that are recently breaking out or you do have the
[32:54] Speaker 5: you know, the Bucky Irving of twenty twenty four who
[32:56] Speaker 5: has taken over the backfield that you got in the
[32:58] Speaker 5: fifteenth round and is starting now on your roster.
[33:01] Speaker 6: That kind of thing.
[33:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this.
[33:04] Speaker 4: I was actually doing a live stream last week, and
[33:07] Speaker 4: we always hear the phrase better in best ball, right,
[33:10] Speaker 4: where like these players are better in a best ball
[33:12] Speaker 4: environment than they are in a season long environment. And
[33:15] Speaker 4: I think that when people to your point, I think
[33:17] Speaker 4: that the way that people think about that is almost
[33:20] Speaker 4: backwards because they often think, oh, I need like, of
[33:23] Speaker 4: course you need spiked.
[33:24] Speaker 1: Spiked ceilings and weekly ceilings and such.
[33:26] Speaker 4: But I also think that like they're not thinking about it,
[33:29] Speaker 4: like like for instance.
[33:30] Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez, right, or Jordan Mason types, like those those
[33:34] Speaker 1: types of like.
[33:35] Speaker 4: Early down grinders where they're they're ceiling from a receiving perspective.
[33:39] Speaker 4: Isn't that that crazy? I don't really mind, like a
[33:41] Speaker 4: Jordan Mason is whatever. I mean, it's late enough that
[33:43] Speaker 4: I'm not going to really like care if someone like
[33:45] Speaker 4: has like a really hardcore stance in these guys, But realistically,
[33:49] Speaker 4: like a Jordan Mason type, I'm probably gonna like more
[33:52] Speaker 4: in a best ball environment than I am in a
[33:54] Speaker 4: season long environment because because there's going to just be
[33:58] Speaker 4: some production from those but we might not know when
[34:01] Speaker 4: that production is going to come. And so I think
[34:03] Speaker 4: that there's also like to your point of not taking
[34:05] Speaker 4: zeros like those players that we typically are like, oh,
[34:09] Speaker 4: I don't really care about that guy, because like even
[34:11] Speaker 4: in my draft guide every year, I'm just like, get
[34:13] Speaker 4: the guys that have ceiling. Only worry about ceiling, and
[34:15] Speaker 4: that's what you should be doing. But you actually do
[34:17] Speaker 4: have to think about the floor for these players and
[34:19] Speaker 4: not just draft you know, Nick Singleton over and over again,
[34:22] Speaker 4: because there's a chance that Singleton's is zero this year,
[34:25] Speaker 4: Like that's a very distinct possibility.
[34:26] Speaker 1: Not to say that he can't be something.
[34:28] Speaker 4: I still have drafted him, but you have to check
[34:30] Speaker 4: yourself a little bit and make sure that you're not
[34:33] Speaker 4: overweight on some of those players.
[34:34] Speaker 1: That's the way that you kind of see things too.
[34:36] Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and I'm fine if you want to
[34:39] Speaker 5: be overweight on Nick Singleton, like call your shot on
[34:42] Speaker 5: these laid round guys, of course. But absolutely, I think
[34:45] Speaker 5: every single year, the staple of having good advance rates
[34:49] Speaker 5: are the middle round running back hits, like they could
[34:53] Speaker 5: be Jordan Mason, Chris Rodriguez this year, I mean we
[34:55] Speaker 5: saw it with like Etn. I don't know if we
[34:58] Speaker 5: want to say eight Chan Junior, but yeah, you know
[35:00] Speaker 5: Etn Javonte Williams last year. These guys were the same
[35:04] Speaker 5: exact bets, right, kind of grinder backs on kind of
[35:08] Speaker 5: ambiguous backfields away, I guess those Yeah, they are ambiguous. Yeah,
[35:12] Speaker 5: I would say Tooton is an ambiguous you know player
[35:15] Speaker 5: right now. So yeah, it's like these guys can be
[35:18] Speaker 5: massive advance rate pieces, so absolutely, But and then the
[35:22] Speaker 5: same in the same right, you can still mix in
[35:24] Speaker 5: a really fun upside pick like a Nick Singleton at
[35:27] Speaker 5: the end of your drafts.
[35:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, so I always try to like balance the all right,
[35:32] Speaker 4: how how risky was I in some of these profiles
[35:35] Speaker 4: earlier on in terms of getting guys that might be
[35:38] Speaker 4: zeros And then you know, late like there was a
[35:40] Speaker 4: draft I drafted Zach Charbonnet, which I haven't gotten a
[35:42] Speaker 4: lot of Sharbonet, but it was a you know, he
[35:44] Speaker 4: fell whatever. And then I was contemplating, I was in
[35:46] Speaker 4: chat and actually Emo was watching, so shout out toxic tower.
[35:50] Speaker 4: But Emos was watching the stream and it was the
[35:53] Speaker 4: twentieth round, and I'm sitting there and I'm like, should
[35:55] Speaker 4: I go running back or wide receiver? And Emo is like,
[35:57] Speaker 4: you should go running And he made a great point,
[35:59] Speaker 4: like because I let the chat kind of vote which
[36:02] Speaker 4: direction I go in, and he's like, you gotta get
[36:04] Speaker 4: running back because we can't assume that Sharboney, you know,
[36:07] Speaker 4: is healthy.
[36:08] Speaker 1: You know, he could be a zero realistically.
[36:10] Speaker 4: And so I ended up going running back in that case,
[36:12] Speaker 4: just to get a little bit more beef, you know,
[36:14] Speaker 4: at the position after potentially taking some of those zeros.
[36:17] Speaker 4: All right, With that being With all that being said,
[36:20] Speaker 4: what's one of the more overlooked thoughts or strategies you
[36:24] Speaker 4: think that more people should be aware of?
[36:26] Speaker 1: With best Ball?
[36:27] Speaker 5: Yeah, so this one, I wanted to relate it to
[36:31] Speaker 5: my DK Millie Maker Finals team last year, and I'm
[36:35] Speaker 5: just gonna say it's unique pairings, I think last year
[36:39] Speaker 5: in this this sometimes the unique pairings come in two ways.
[36:42] Speaker 5: Sometimes it's a forced unique pairing where I go gent
[36:47] Speaker 5: at the turn, but I pull up Nico Collins or
[36:49] Speaker 5: something like something where the ADPs don't line up whatsoever,
[36:53] Speaker 5: or if you're in a spot. And this actually happened
[36:55] Speaker 5: to me in a draft last night. But last year
[36:57] Speaker 5: I was able to go aman raw and then Puka
[37:00] Speaker 5: fell back to me. I don't remember if this was
[37:02] Speaker 5: during the Matt Stafford back problem kind of thing, but
[37:05] Speaker 5: the Amanra Puka combo last year accelerated that entire team
[37:10] Speaker 5: into the finals.
[37:11] Speaker 6: So I think having that.
[37:13] Speaker 5: Unique pairing can be a big lever to pull once
[37:16] Speaker 5: you get to the finals. So and this is kind
[37:21] Speaker 5: of a there's two ways to think about this, right
[37:23] Speaker 5: you can either force the unique pairing, or if you're
[37:26] Speaker 5: in the middle rounds, like if you get picked six
[37:29] Speaker 5: through nine, kind of you can almost go off of
[37:32] Speaker 5: the top of ADP. And last night I was doing
[37:35] Speaker 5: a Milli maker and I got Amanra at nine and
[37:39] Speaker 5: or ten, and then Lamb fell all the way back
[37:42] Speaker 5: to me, And in my head, I was like, that
[37:44] Speaker 5: is the exact almost the exact same feeling is how
[37:47] Speaker 5: it felt when Puka fell back to me with Amanra
[37:49] Speaker 5: on that team that got me there. So I would
[37:52] Speaker 5: say that or one other thing would be winning the
[37:56] Speaker 5: flex And I think this month might be more actionable.
[38:00] Speaker 5: But I think I think people take quarterback and tight
[38:03] Speaker 5: end too early, to be honest with you, and I
[38:05] Speaker 5: think grabbing the strongest possible wide receiver running backs oftentimes
[38:12] Speaker 5: make the strongest teams winning the flex. Those those those
[38:16] Speaker 5: two positions up at the top of the board, those
[38:20] Speaker 5: guys have the best chance of breaking out. Whereas you
[38:23] Speaker 5: can find later round quarterbacks, later round tight ends that
[38:28] Speaker 5: can be the big hits for the season.
[38:30] Speaker 4: So when you when you talk about unique combos and
[38:32] Speaker 4: specifically with the Millie, is that something that you're doing
[38:35] Speaker 4: immediately now or are you waiting maybe until like August
[38:38] Speaker 4: to make sure that ADP's settled.
[38:40] Speaker 1: A little bit.
[38:40] Speaker 6: I'm waiting till August.
[38:42] Speaker 5: Great question. Yeah, definitely waiting till August. We know news
[38:45] Speaker 5: can move stuff around. I would say maybe, you know,
[38:50] Speaker 5: if you're running, if you're doing all one hundred and fifty,
[38:53] Speaker 5: you know you get that inch during the summer, you
[38:56] Speaker 5: know it mix it up a little bit because you
[38:58] Speaker 5: don't think Nico Collins is going to move anywhere or whatever.
[39:01] Speaker 5: But as we know, guys get in legal trouble, they
[39:04] Speaker 5: get injured. You know, there's not really too many reasons
[39:08] Speaker 5: why guys rise all that much, but they can definitely fall,
[39:12] Speaker 5: So I do like to wait till August. I think
[39:14] Speaker 5: doing the majority of my expensive drafts, I like to
[39:17] Speaker 5: do them in August in general.
[39:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you find another thing that I and
[39:22] Speaker 4: this is completely like it's kind of related.
[39:24] Speaker 1: But if you get that like amen, ra ceedee, lambs.
[39:27] Speaker 4: Start okay, and you're like you're like, oh, this is sick,
[39:30] Speaker 4: Like this could go really really well, and like let's
[39:32] Speaker 4: say round three falls into place too, do you find
[39:36] Speaker 4: yourself and this is a completely subjective, opinionated thing, like
[39:38] Speaker 4: I don't think there's a real answer. Maybe you feel
[39:40] Speaker 4: like there is a real answer, But do you feel
[39:42] Speaker 4: like when you get a start like that, you then
[39:45] Speaker 4: force the issue and just get your favorite plays from
[39:48] Speaker 4: then on out because you really want that lineup to
[39:51] Speaker 4: like like you're like, all right, I already hit the
[39:53] Speaker 4: jackpot early on with these first three rounds. I'm just
[39:56] Speaker 4: gonna get the dudes that I think are gonna hit
[39:58] Speaker 4: because obviously we have our favorites, right, I'm just gonna
[40:00] Speaker 4: get the dudes that I think are gonna hit. Therefore,
[40:03] Speaker 4: this could just be the lineup that that I'm gonna
[40:06] Speaker 4: sort of like hold on to and say this could
[40:08] Speaker 4: be the one that that brings it home this year.
[40:11] Speaker 6: Definitely.
[40:11] Speaker 5: I mean I think more through a like a structure standpoint.
[40:17] Speaker 5: So I'm like, Okay, I have almanrae CD Lamb, I
[40:20] Speaker 5: have the wide receiver one and two on the season, Like,
[40:23] Speaker 5: think about it like that. So then then I start
[40:26] Speaker 5: building my draft backwards. In my head, it's like, this
[40:29] Speaker 5: team obviously is gonna need running back points. Let's it's like,
[40:32] Speaker 5: let's just make sure this team advances because you don't
[40:34] Speaker 5: screw this up because people don't have Almanra Lamb in
[40:38] Speaker 5: the finals. They like that that combo is so rare
[40:41] Speaker 5: and unique. Like I said, it's such a big lever
[40:43] Speaker 5: that I'm pulling that. And you know, maybe it is
[40:46] Speaker 5: different on DraftKings. Maybe that is common. Sorry if it's not,
[40:49] Speaker 5: I've only done fifteen DK Millie Makers, but.
[40:51] Speaker 4: No, no, look it's not. It's not a very super
[40:53] Speaker 4: super common thing. I mean, like Lamb will fall at
[40:56] Speaker 4: times just because people on DK will be pretty wild,
[40:59] Speaker 4: you know, okay, once to turn, but it's not I
[41:02] Speaker 4: would not call it a common start.
[41:04] Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, well I would just say once you get it,
[41:06] Speaker 5: just make sure you can advance it. From there, So
[41:08] Speaker 5: back to let's make sure we get running back points.
[41:10] Speaker 5: I think in the third I went with maybe ETN
[41:16] Speaker 5: or something, just trying to get.
[41:17] Speaker 6: Some starting running back points like that.
[41:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, like ETN scat a bow in the fourth whatever,
[41:22] Speaker 5: But yeah, that's all I'm thinking through. I'm also thinking,
[41:25] Speaker 5: like it would be super ideal to get Dak or
[41:27] Speaker 5: Golf on this team, maybe even both, like just fully
[41:31] Speaker 5: commit to those two offenses. But that's really all I'm
[41:34] Speaker 5: thinking is, let's let's get this team to the two
[41:37] Speaker 5: week fifteen where no one has this combo and I'm
[41:40] Speaker 5: gonna have it.
[41:41] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's not screw it up. And I think
[41:43] Speaker 4: like it's it's also just like, let's make sure we
[41:46] Speaker 4: don't get screwed at quarterback, right and like just like
[41:48] Speaker 4: reach a little bit just to make sure that when
[41:51] Speaker 4: that quarterback run inevitably happens, that we don't screw ourselves over.
[41:55] Speaker 1: Which is my gosh, just a side rant.
[41:57] Speaker 4: I had Puoka and Devonte last night, and someone took
[42:01] Speaker 4: naked Stafford way above ADP.
[42:03] Speaker 1: And it's the most tilting thing on the planet.
[42:06] Speaker 6: It is, it absolutely is.
[42:07] Speaker 5: And to speak to your point, someone took Dak one
[42:10] Speaker 5: pick before me with no with no cowboy just on
[42:14] Speaker 5: that team in the seventh round.
[42:16] Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, although the great Adam Adam Levitan
[42:20] Speaker 4: has noted that. As tilting as those instances are, it's
[42:23] Speaker 4: great that we're drafting with people that do that because
[42:25] Speaker 4: that means that that rooms aren't a sharp right, So
[42:28] Speaker 4: it's yeah, when you think about that, it stings, it sucks,
[42:31] Speaker 4: But then you know, you fall back on that idea
[42:34] Speaker 4: and you're like, all right, I'll take it over the
[42:36] Speaker 4: long run.
[42:36] Speaker 6: Yeah, it's my earlier point.
[42:38] Speaker 5: It's also like it opened up this ability to be like,
[42:41] Speaker 5: all right, it's still the seventh round, Like, let me
[42:43] Speaker 5: take another usable running back here. I can get Jalen Warren,
[42:46] Speaker 5: who might be this year's Kenneth Gainwell on this thin instead,
[42:49] Speaker 5: So let's go that route one hundred percent.
[42:51] Speaker 4: I had this discussion last week on becoming a best
[42:54] Speaker 4: ball brow with Rich Ryan to open up the show,
[42:57] Speaker 4: and I want to hear your thoughts because you know,
[42:59] Speaker 4: in fantasy football space, especially as touts and as analysts,
[43:03] Speaker 4: everyone wants rankings and we know that, and so we
[43:05] Speaker 4: produce them and we you know, give them out and whatever.
[43:09] Speaker 1: And in my opinion with Best Ball.
[43:12] Speaker 4: My opinion was Bestball rankings are generally probably a little
[43:16] Speaker 4: bit overrated in the way that the average player looks
[43:20] Speaker 4: at them. Would you agree with that statement or do
[43:22] Speaker 4: you think that they might be underrated.
[43:25] Speaker 6: I wouldn't say they're underrated.
[43:26] Speaker 5: I do think they can be useful though, because I
[43:29] Speaker 5: think what rankings allow you to do is see who
[43:33] Speaker 5: people are really out on more so that people are into.
[43:36] Speaker 5: I think that's a good way to look at it,
[43:38] Speaker 5: because you know, I don't really want to take a
[43:40] Speaker 5: guy fifteen spots ahead adp if I don't have to,
[43:42] Speaker 5: especially in the early rounds, like we can push the
[43:45] Speaker 5: guy to his regular spot most of the time.
[43:47] Speaker 6: But like.
[43:51] Speaker 5: You know, I've seen rankings that worked really well. I
[43:53] Speaker 5: think like twenty twenty four, Michael Pittman was like, you know,
[43:58] Speaker 5: a fourth round pick, but a lot of people's rankings
[44:01] Speaker 5: had him as like a seventh round pick. It's like, okay,
[44:03] Speaker 5: that's a good like full fade, Like that's you know,
[44:06] Speaker 5: So I think rankings work really well for fading, and
[44:10] Speaker 5: I think they work well for maybe later round guys
[44:13] Speaker 5: that you should be getting a bag of.
[44:15] Speaker 6: Yeah, really is kind of view them but he should
[44:18] Speaker 6: be tiered.
[44:18] Speaker 5: If they could be perfect, they would be tiered, right,
[44:21] Speaker 5: Because it's like I try to do rankings one time
[44:23] Speaker 5: and I was just like, well, yeah, I have Hampton
[44:27] Speaker 5: like or whatever. You know, It's like, yeah, I like
[44:30] Speaker 5: Hampton over Derrick Henry. But at the same time, I'm like, dude,
[44:33] Speaker 5: Derrick Henry could bury you.
[44:34] Speaker 4: So yes, yeah, right, it's a fifty one to forty
[44:36] Speaker 4: nine type thing if yact.
[44:38] Speaker 5: But how do I articulate that in this ranking that
[44:40] Speaker 5: you're downloading?
[44:41] Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I mean tiers are huge for my process
[44:44] Speaker 4: for sure, especially like the fourth round wideouts this year,
[44:49] Speaker 4: Like they're all to me.
[44:50] Speaker 1: There's just so much upside.
[44:51] Speaker 4: Like I am a like a Luther Burden Truther, so
[44:54] Speaker 4: I'm getting him every time he falls for the most part. Right,
[44:56] Speaker 4: But like regardless, like I U, I don't have like
[45:01] Speaker 4: insanely strong opinions. My opinion is, if you're in like
[45:03] Speaker 4: an auction draft for season long, just just completely gobble
[45:08] Speaker 4: up a lot of those dudes and and don't worry
[45:10] Speaker 4: about the early run guys, because you can just get
[45:12] Speaker 4: so much value with that that tier of wide receiver.
[45:15] Speaker 4: A question that I get very frequently by best ball
[45:18] Speaker 4: bro Listeners is how to determine exposure to players.
[45:22] Speaker 1: Do you personally set a hard cap.
[45:24] Speaker 4: Do you think that there's like a general like formulaic
[45:27] Speaker 4: way to do this or do you think it's more
[45:29] Speaker 4: of like a case by case how you are individually
[45:31] Speaker 4: from a risk tolerance perspective.
[45:33] Speaker 5: Well, it's definitely a risk tolerance thing, right, Like if
[45:36] Speaker 5: you and like you know, this is one of those
[45:39] Speaker 5: years that you could do something like this, Like if
[45:42] Speaker 5: you wanted thirty percent Puka Nakua because you think he's
[45:45] Speaker 5: the best wide receiver in the NFL and you want
[45:47] Speaker 5: to have that lever on most of your teams.
[45:50] Speaker 6: You can take him at.
[45:50] Speaker 5: The one oh one, one oh two, one oh three,
[45:52] Speaker 5: one oh four, so you can you can do something
[45:54] Speaker 5: like that. That is crazy risk tolerance though, because you're
[45:57] Speaker 5: fading gives Beijan Jamar chase, right. So the main thing
[46:00] Speaker 5: I would say is, once again, I think I think
[46:03] Speaker 5: having in the early rounds, I think for me personally,
[46:07] Speaker 5: it's about a twenty percent cap on certain players I
[46:11] Speaker 5: think would be realistic if I had to guestimate. But
[46:14] Speaker 5: I think as you get later into the drafts, I
[46:16] Speaker 5: think I think if you believe in a Jeremy Bernard
[46:20] Speaker 5: or something like that. With these lower cost guys, you know,
[46:23] Speaker 5: back to that auction thing. These guys only cost you
[46:25] Speaker 5: a dollar or two. So if they flop, who cares.
[46:28] Speaker 6: Kind of a thing.
[46:28] Speaker 5: But if you really believe in them, yeah, take them
[46:30] Speaker 5: on half your teams if you want. It's not going
[46:32] Speaker 5: to kill you, even if they're a zero. But if
[46:35] Speaker 5: if you have a full stance on whatever, I don't
[46:39] Speaker 5: even know you're taking Rashie Rice in the second round
[46:41] Speaker 5: every time and he gets hurt or whatever, like, yeah,
[46:44] Speaker 5: there goes most of your season.
[46:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you have Do you have like how
[46:49] Speaker 4: many guys over twenty percent? Do you think you'll be
[46:51] Speaker 4: at this year like or per season, like just.
[46:54] Speaker 1: Just generally at all positions? Yeah, yeah probably.
[47:00] Speaker 6: Or like two tight ends, three or four.
[47:03] Speaker 5: It's probably like almost ten, So not like a crazy amount,
[47:06] Speaker 5: but yeah, that's pretty standard for me.
[47:08] Speaker 6: I do build, you know, I do.
[47:11] Speaker 5: I definitely believe that this This is such a crazy
[47:14] Speaker 5: game of variants and stuff, so I don't course, I
[47:16] Speaker 5: don't flag plant too much, but I have like a
[47:20] Speaker 5: grouping of guys that I really like. At the end
[47:22] Speaker 5: of drafts, and I'll have, you know, a nice twenty
[47:24] Speaker 5: percent of all of them or whatever.
[47:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
[47:27] Speaker 4: There have been some players recently overrun DraftKings that have
[47:31] Speaker 4: been steamed up a good bit in ADP, and I
[47:34] Speaker 4: want to go through them. There's four guys I want
[47:35] Speaker 4: to talk through and hear your take on them. The
[47:38] Speaker 4: first one is Jay Flowers, who you know, a month
[47:41] Speaker 4: ago you could get pretty frequently in round four or
[47:43] Speaker 4: at least at the three four turn.
[47:45] Speaker 1: But now he goes at the two three turns sometimes.
[47:47] Speaker 1: I mean people will bring him up.
[47:48] Speaker 6: There.
[47:48] Speaker 1: Are you in or out on Zay this year?
[47:50] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[47:51] Speaker 5: I know, I mean I've definitely seen that man. I
[47:55] Speaker 5: he I'm like, I want to say neutral because he's
[47:57] Speaker 5: such a good talent. I love Decklan Doyle coming over
[48:01] Speaker 5: to the Ravens offense. I think we're gonna get like
[48:03] Speaker 5: this new revamped Lamar jackson S season could be an
[48:07] Speaker 5: MVP type season. But at the end of the day,
[48:11] Speaker 5: I mean, we still have Derek Henry scoring most of
[48:13] Speaker 5: the touchdowns. You have Lamar rushing in the touchdowns. You
[48:16] Speaker 5: have Mark Andrews who's a red zone threat. They do
[48:18] Speaker 5: bring in some competition. I would just be hesitant at
[48:21] Speaker 5: these prices. One thing that happens in Best Ball every
[48:24] Speaker 5: single year is sometimes T Higgins and Jalen Watta will
[48:28] Speaker 5: be like two three turn picks, and DeVonta Smith will
[48:30] Speaker 5: be too, and then they fall down to the.
[48:32] Speaker 6: Fourth round, late fourth round.
[48:34] Speaker 5: Like these guys move up and down the board really
[48:36] Speaker 5: heavily based on how they performed the prior year. And
[48:40] Speaker 5: Flowers did have a great twenty twenty five season. But
[48:43] Speaker 5: I would say I like him as an upside play
[48:46] Speaker 5: or like a like a weekly upside play, but as
[48:49] Speaker 5: a season long advance rate piece, I actually think it's
[48:52] Speaker 5: probably not that strong because I don't really I don't
[48:57] Speaker 5: personally see how he can go too much higher than
[48:59] Speaker 5: what he did last year. I think he has to
[49:00] Speaker 5: kind of repeat what he did last year to be
[49:04] Speaker 5: viable with that price.
[49:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, it's like I I almost
[49:08] Speaker 4: feel like like that some of the fourth round picks
[49:10] Speaker 4: are just as good as the third round picks, Like
[49:12] Speaker 4: like it's it's there's just not such a significant so
[49:15] Speaker 4: I can like understand pulling him up. But I yeah,
[49:18] Speaker 4: I mean like there's definitely especially like the touchdown stuff
[49:20] Speaker 4: because he's not been an end zone threat, Like he
[49:22] Speaker 4: doesn't get any end zone targets, doesn't get any red
[49:24] Speaker 4: zone targets. You gotta hope that it changes. And I'm
[49:27] Speaker 4: higher than the market on Zay in general this year.
[49:29] Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean like there's definitely some like red
[49:32] Speaker 4: flag type stuff, you know, with his profile overall.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Let's let's move on to AJ Brown, who went from
[49:38] Speaker 1: being a.
[49:40] Speaker 4: Like mid third round pick often to then being traded,
[49:43] Speaker 4: which we all knew was gonna happen. Like I wish
[49:46] Speaker 4: I would have gotten way more. I did not read
[49:48] Speaker 4: that room well at all, even though I knew it
[49:50] Speaker 4: was coming.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Like I knew that he was going to rise a
[49:53] Speaker 1: little bit.
[49:53] Speaker 4: I just didn't expect him to rise to sometimes the
[49:56] Speaker 4: early second round from that third round price.
[49:59] Speaker 1: So are you enter out on AJ Brown right now?
[50:02] Speaker 5: It's so weird you think the market bakes it in
[50:04] Speaker 5: and they never do. They never do, So I yeah,
[50:08] Speaker 5: I did luckily grab a ton of AJ Brown while
[50:12] Speaker 5: I could. He's, yeah, the second round pick, and I
[50:14] Speaker 5: think I'm in. I want to find a guy that
[50:17] Speaker 5: I like enough to break up that running back cluster.
[50:20] Speaker 5: And I saw him at ADP sixteen when I did
[50:22] Speaker 5: that Millimaker last night, and you know, I was like,
[50:25] Speaker 5: I think it makes sense. I think you lose to
[50:27] Speaker 5: Von Diggs. I think Drake May is one of the
[50:30] Speaker 5: best passing quarterbacks in the NFL, hands down, and I
[50:34] Speaker 5: think the target volume could be there, the efficiency of
[50:37] Speaker 5: the offense could be there. And you know, I do
[50:40] Speaker 5: have this fundamental belief that people are taking too much
[50:44] Speaker 5: early running back this season. I think, so pulling these
[50:48] Speaker 5: these strong wide receiver levers once again, I do think
[50:51] Speaker 5: is a is a fine option. It's your point about like,
[50:54] Speaker 5: you know, people getting him in the third before and
[50:56] Speaker 5: now he's in the second. I don't think that really
[50:58] Speaker 5: matters too much on the you know what, maybe ten
[51:02] Speaker 5: to fifteen percent of the contest was drafted when he
[51:04] Speaker 5: was a third round pick. And also he probably wasn't
[51:07] Speaker 5: falling to the late third. So all the teams that
[51:10] Speaker 5: have like, you know, a gentee starter or a CD
[51:12] Speaker 5: LAMB start probably don't have AJ Brown on them for
[51:15] Speaker 5: the most part.
[51:16] Speaker 4: So yeah, I was also I also think like when
[51:18] Speaker 4: it comes to that kind of thing, and I know
[51:20] Speaker 4: that people have stronger opinions than I do on this,
[51:22] Speaker 4: but I also think, like when AJ Brown had a
[51:26] Speaker 4: decreased cost when he was a third round pick. At
[51:28] Speaker 4: that point in time, we also didn't necessarily have as
[51:31] Speaker 4: much information as what we're going to have in August
[51:33] Speaker 4: to like boost up some other players, So like you
[51:35] Speaker 4: really have to have had I mean, look, you can
[51:37] Speaker 4: you can draft some crazy teams in May, right, like
[51:39] Speaker 4: you can you can draft some crazy teams in early June.
[51:43] Speaker 4: I get all of that, but I don't want to
[51:44] Speaker 4: overstate what that means because you you you have to
[51:47] Speaker 4: actually do that, and it's not the easiest thing in
[51:49] Speaker 4: the world, and there's some luck involved right in doing that.
[51:52] Speaker 1: So it's not the easiest thing in the world to do. So.
[51:55] Speaker 4: Admittedly with AJ Brown, like I'm not against drafting him,
[51:59] Speaker 4: I often am gravitating towards the running backs. But to
[52:02] Speaker 4: your point, I'm trying hard to differentiate my my structures,
[52:08] Speaker 4: my roster construction this year because a lot of people
[52:11] Speaker 4: are just kind of like an autopilot just going like
[52:14] Speaker 4: RBRB in that area of the draft, and that that
[52:16] Speaker 4: I think is the way to not do.
[52:18] Speaker 1: It right is to just to get AJ Brown.
[52:20] Speaker 5: So and I don't want it to be overlooked, like
[52:22] Speaker 5: AJ Brown could have one hundred and sixty targets this season, right,
[52:26] Speaker 5: they really could feed him and he's he has not
[52:29] Speaker 5: slowed down whatsoever in that Mett. I think people are
[52:31] Speaker 5: really traumatized from the Eagles experience with him.
[52:34] Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, you're seeing it with with Jalen Hurts,
[52:37] Speaker 4: ADP and stuff right now.
[52:38] Speaker 6: That's what is crazy too. It is way too cheap.
[52:41] Speaker 6: He's way too cheap.
[52:42] Speaker 5: Like I understand if you don't like that he doesn't
[52:44] Speaker 5: throw over the middle of the field or whatever.
[52:46] Speaker 6: But take Jalen Hurts in the seventh round when you
[52:49] Speaker 6: see him.
[52:49] Speaker 1: Agreed, how about Bashall Tuton?
[52:53] Speaker 4: He's rising a little bit because of the Chris Rodriguez stuff,
[52:56] Speaker 4: are you? I mean, I feel like this is the
[52:57] Speaker 4: great divide of the of fantasy football in twenty twenty.
[53:01] Speaker 1: Are you in or out on Bashall?
[53:02] Speaker 5: I'm I want to be in, but I'm kind of
[53:06] Speaker 5: out for the most part. I mean, I'm looking at
[53:08] Speaker 5: Trevion Henderson, Quinn, Shawn Judkins, Bucky Irving, there's even another
[53:13] Speaker 5: DeAndre Swift. All these guys go right around where he goes,
[53:17] Speaker 5: and I prefer all of those guys to him. So
[53:19] Speaker 5: it's gonna be hard for me to get to Baychell Tuton.
[53:22] Speaker 5: You know, I get it. We really like the Jaguars offense.
[53:25] Speaker 5: But I think you're paying this premium price right now
[53:29] Speaker 5: based on the Chris Rodriguez foot injury thing we saw. Well,
[53:34] Speaker 5: for one, there's a report that he's gonna be totally
[53:35] Speaker 5: fine for training camp, so he might Tuton might literally
[53:38] Speaker 5: fall back to the five to six turn or even
[53:40] Speaker 5: the sixth round. Then you just factor in that he
[53:43] Speaker 5: just couldn't get himself on the field last season, Like
[53:45] Speaker 5: that's that's not good for me. I don't view etn
[53:49] Speaker 5: as like this guy that you can never take off
[53:52] Speaker 5: the field, and Tuton couldn't even do it last year,
[53:55] Speaker 5: So I don't love that. So I think you're paying
[54:00] Speaker 5: a premium and you're really hoping for this mega efficiency
[54:05] Speaker 5: and touchdowns. But I think I think he's gonna get cheaper.
[54:11] Speaker 5: So from a market based game, I think you know
[54:14] Speaker 5: draft him in August when he's a six round pick.
[54:17] Speaker 5: I don't see how he keeps moving up, but if
[54:19] Speaker 5: he does, I probably won't have much of him. As
[54:21] Speaker 5: much as I want the Jaguars running back, I think
[54:23] Speaker 5: I just I'd go somewhere else with it.
[54:25] Speaker 4: It feels like there's a better chance than not that
[54:27] Speaker 4: Chris Rodriguez is like, we're not going to get to
[54:29] Speaker 4: training camp, and Chris Rodriguez is like, oh, his foot's
[54:32] Speaker 4: falling like a Joe Mixon situation or something like that.
[54:35] Speaker 4: Right where it's like, like, so, I think, probability wise,
[54:38] Speaker 4: you're probably right that Tutin could then just immediately see
[54:43] Speaker 4: a lower price. And if you're playing the long game here, right,
[54:46] Speaker 4: if if you're drafting in May through August and you
[54:48] Speaker 4: want to just capture as much CLV as possible, then
[54:51] Speaker 4: it would make sense to just kind of wait on
[54:53] Speaker 4: bashall if you're not if you're not d like I liked,
[54:56] Speaker 4: like I was a Tootin' truth through as it from
[54:57] Speaker 4: him as a prospect, I think that in season long
[55:00] Speaker 4: he's a target because of the way that other platforms
[55:03] Speaker 4: have him ranked stuff, because Bestball ADP is.
[55:05] Speaker 1: Not the same as season long ADP.
[55:06] Speaker 4: It's just like, go look at what's going on over
[55:08] Speaker 4: at ESPN, et cetera.
[55:10] Speaker 6: It's differ where do they got him.
[55:11] Speaker 4: He's more of like closer to like the twenty five
[55:15] Speaker 4: to thirty range running back, whereas here he's more of
[55:17] Speaker 4: like the twenty to twenty three ish range, right, And
[55:21] Speaker 4: that to me is enough of a difference to be like, yeah,
[55:24] Speaker 4: I mean, like now you're almost definitely getting him as
[55:26] Speaker 4: a as an RB three type in season long, which
[55:29] Speaker 4: I think is perfect for a player like Tuton. Like
[55:31] Speaker 4: if you go running back, running back, that's where I
[55:33] Speaker 4: feel more confident in getting a player like base All Turton,
[55:36] Speaker 4: because now you have that installation. But if you're not
[55:38] Speaker 4: going that direction, it's a little bit more difficult to
[55:41] Speaker 4: you know, rely on him in that way, especially in
[55:42] Speaker 4: basketball with what we had just talked about, you know,
[55:44] Speaker 4: and wanting to to not have take Zeros, et cetera.
[55:48] Speaker 4: And so yeah, I mean there's just different prices, you know,
[55:50] Speaker 4: in these different platforms and stuff.
[55:51] Speaker 1: And right now I'm a I'm a toutin truther and
[55:54] Speaker 1: I'm not even going like ham with this price right now.
[55:57] Speaker 5: Yeah, I like and I like the profile, like you said, right,
[55:59] Speaker 5: And I'll say this much, I wish I took a
[56:02] Speaker 5: lot more when he was in that like seventh eighth
[56:05] Speaker 5: round in the pre draft stuff.
[56:06] Speaker 6: That was the that was the time to buy.
[56:08] Speaker 5: But they also came out and there was a giant
[56:10] Speaker 5: report about how they wanted JK. Dobbins this offseason, and
[56:13] Speaker 5: the Broncos swooped in first and got him, So clearly
[56:15] Speaker 5: they're like looking for other running back help. They were
[56:18] Speaker 5: not planning on giving this guy, you know, two hundred
[56:22] Speaker 5: and eighty carries this season.
[56:23] Speaker 6: I don't think so.
[56:24] Speaker 1: But what do you think of this take? I had
[56:25] Speaker 1: this take with the JK.
[56:27] Speaker 4: Dobbins thing where everyone has tied Chris Rodriguez to Liam
[56:31] Speaker 4: Cohen because they have a history, right because he played
[56:33] Speaker 4: with him in Kentucky, and Chris Rodriguez was hand picked.
[56:36] Speaker 1: But doesn't the JK.
[56:37] Speaker 4: Dobbins report say the opposite of that that he wasn't
[56:40] Speaker 4: that Chris Rodriguez like wasn't there because they were, look,
[56:42] Speaker 4: they were gonna add somebody, and maybe JK. Dobbins was
[56:45] Speaker 4: the top guy that they wanted to add, And I
[56:47] Speaker 4: think that that would obviously impact, like maybe the way
[56:50] Speaker 4: they viewed twotant. But overall I'm reading this report, the
[56:52] Speaker 4: natural response is like, oh, they don't like Beasehall Tuton.
[56:55] Speaker 4: But I'm like, I think the response might be that, like,
[56:57] Speaker 4: they don't really like Chris Rodriguez the way that Peopothy.
[57:01] Speaker 6: You know, in the sad part is is like.
[57:06] Speaker 5: The fact that I am saying not to take Tuton
[57:09] Speaker 5: because of Chris Rodriguez really upsets me, honestly, because, like
[57:12] Speaker 5: I think Chris Rodriguez is very good whatsoever. Right, I
[57:16] Speaker 5: just worry because Trevor Lawrence had like nine rushing touchdown.
[57:18] Speaker 5: I just want yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah, I
[57:22] Speaker 5: just worry that Tuton won't score that much. But maybe
[57:25] Speaker 5: he will.
[57:26] Speaker 6: I you know, it's a fair.
[57:27] Speaker 2: Look.
[57:28] Speaker 5: I like your third, your third running back. Take that's
[57:31] Speaker 5: a fun get him as your third. Yeah, that seems fun.
[57:34] Speaker 4: That's what I've been trying to do mostly. And then
[57:36] Speaker 4: obviously I'm doing enough drafts that I can just wait
[57:38] Speaker 4: till he falls. You know, I'm not I'm not at
[57:39] Speaker 4: the four like I'm still in the wide receiver tier
[57:42] Speaker 4: at that four or five turn area.
[57:43] Speaker 6: Yeah right, Yeah, we're taking Adda.
[57:46] Speaker 4: Into Jaalen Waddle and these guys who we know are
[57:48] Speaker 4: just good, especially on a full PPR platform. But if
[57:51] Speaker 4: he's like five six turn then yeah, like I'll especially
[57:55] Speaker 4: because in that area you're typically going running back, running
[57:58] Speaker 4: back or oftentimes you're going running back back, and so
[58:00] Speaker 4: he is your RB three and it's a lot easier.
[58:02] Speaker 4: Not only that, but if you get Touton in the
[58:04] Speaker 4: back half of the fifth and into the sixth, that's
[58:06] Speaker 4: also Trevor Lawrence Range in the in the seventh and
[58:09] Speaker 4: eighth like where he will generally go. So you can
[58:11] Speaker 4: like start Stack and Jags getting Parker Washington or Brian Thomas,
[58:14] Speaker 4: however we want to do it. So like that's kind
[58:16] Speaker 4: of the approach I've taken with Tooton is that I'm
[58:19] Speaker 4: not fading him by any means.
[58:20] Speaker 1: I'm just kind of picking and choosing where I end
[58:23] Speaker 1: up getting him.
[58:23] Speaker 6: That's fair.
[58:24] Speaker 5: I do the same thing with Trevon Henderson, who have
[58:26] Speaker 5: a huge stand on this year. So and I do
[58:28] Speaker 5: like him when he is my third running back. I
[58:30] Speaker 5: think he has that hammer ability to win you any
[58:34] Speaker 5: week possible. And so as a third, you know, maybe
[58:37] Speaker 5: maybe more up and down throughout the season, though with
[58:39] Speaker 5: Ramandre still there of course.
[58:41] Speaker 4: All right, the last guy I want to touch on,
[58:43] Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like like an etr effect
[58:47] Speaker 4: or something, because I think Silva's high on or like
[58:50] Speaker 4: moved him up his rankings a whole lot. But Quentin
[58:53] Speaker 4: Johnston was, like I swear, like a ninth or tenth
[58:56] Speaker 4: round pick one day, and then the next day he
[58:59] Speaker 4: on draftings with a six seven turn player out of
[59:02] Speaker 4: like literally in like a forty eight hour period. So
[59:05] Speaker 4: where are you at with QJ right now?
[59:08] Speaker 5: I was shocked. I saw him go in the sixth
[59:10] Speaker 5: round yesterday.
[59:11] Speaker 6: I'm out. I'm out on that price. I don't I
[59:14] Speaker 6: don't get it. He's not.
[59:17] Speaker 5: He doesn't have the full PPR kind of scammy thing
[59:20] Speaker 5: to him, so he's not gonna be this dominant target earner.
[59:24] Speaker 5: His whole thing is based on like his yak ability.
[59:26] Speaker 5: I guess, but no, I am. I'm out on the
[59:29] Speaker 5: sixth round. I don't think you're gonna I don't think
[59:31] Speaker 5: he's better than lad. I don't think you're ever gonna
[59:33] Speaker 5: be the wide receiver one on the Chargers. I think
[59:35] Speaker 5: the Chargers inherently also want to run the absolute crap
[59:39] Speaker 5: out of the ball. They have everything in their power
[59:42] Speaker 5: to do that. Blocking full back, blocking tight end, one
[59:46] Speaker 5: of the best of lines in the league, two really
[59:48] Speaker 5: good running backs. I think you're just paying for a
[59:51] Speaker 5: very expensive, inconsistent spike week guy like I dare to say,
[59:57] Speaker 5: I'd like take Rashid Shahi or something.
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, The interesting thing with QJ is that if you
[1:00:04] Speaker 4: want to, like I try to like arbitrage a little
[1:00:07] Speaker 4: bit with season long right where sure, if I'm out
[1:00:10] Speaker 4: on a guy in Best Ball or if I don't
[1:00:12] Speaker 4: like his price, you can look at season long and
[1:00:14] Speaker 4: see his price totally different in season long with QJ.
[1:00:16] Speaker 4: If you guys want QJ exposure, my recommendation would be dry.
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: He's gonna be a tart. He's actually a dart throw
[1:00:22] Speaker 4: in the draft guy this year spoiler alert because he
[1:00:25] Speaker 4: goes after wide receiver fifty on an ADP, on all
[1:00:28] Speaker 4: these other platforms. And so if you want to get
[1:00:31] Speaker 4: QJ exposure, do it in season long. I think he's
[1:00:33] Speaker 4: a great season long pick because there's some outs for him,
[1:00:36] Speaker 4: and there's especially if you're in more of a half
[1:00:38] Speaker 4: PPR environment, like you said, like I, I like the
[1:00:40] Speaker 4: fit from a yact perspective all of that.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: But if you're taking QJ in the.
[1:00:44] Speaker 4: Same range as these elite quarterbacks and like somebody like,
[1:00:47] Speaker 4: it's it's crazy to me, it's wild, and maybe maybe
[1:00:50] Speaker 4: we're idiots at the end of the year, but I
[1:00:51] Speaker 4: just I don't I don't see it right now.
[1:00:54] Speaker 6: You know, through week five. Last year, I felt like
[1:00:56] Speaker 6: an idiot.
[1:00:57] Speaker 5: Son, dude, I've been burned by QJ so bad I had.
[1:01:01] Speaker 5: He was my most drafted player, one of my most
[1:01:03] Speaker 5: drafts players his rookie season. Yeah, and then I was
[1:01:06] Speaker 5: so burned. I was like, I'm never drafting you again.
[1:01:08] Speaker 5: And then sophomore year just goes off as a fifteenth
[1:01:11] Speaker 5: round pick. So yeah, I feel yah, I don't want
[1:01:14] Speaker 5: to be chasing the dragon there.
[1:01:16] Speaker 4: Speaking of fades, do you have any pretty hard fades
[1:01:19] Speaker 4: in the in the early rounds this year?
[1:01:21] Speaker 6: I do.
[1:01:22] Speaker 5: I have a I have a pretty strong fade on
[1:01:25] Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor right now, which does freak me out because
[1:01:28] Speaker 5: we know, yeah, he's got he has the ability to
[1:01:31] Speaker 5: drop forty every single week. He is one of the
[1:01:34] Speaker 5: most talented running backs in the NFL. But I'm I
[1:01:38] Speaker 5: have the same feeling that this is kind of what
[1:01:41] Speaker 5: happened with like Saquon last year. You know, Saquon in
[1:01:44] Speaker 5: twenty twenty four had like six or like five sixty
[1:01:48] Speaker 5: yard touchdown runs. It was the the Eagles franchise record
[1:01:52] Speaker 5: of fifty yards or maybe the NFL record honestly, of
[1:01:56] Speaker 5: these touchdown runs, and I feel like Taylor did that
[1:01:59] Speaker 5: you did great last year with that, but you're coming
[1:02:02] Speaker 5: into an offense that has a quarterback with a torn achilles.
[1:02:05] Speaker 5: The backup is Riley Leonard, who I don't think is
[1:02:07] Speaker 5: very good. Or maybe it's Richardson. I'm not even sure there,
[1:02:10] Speaker 5: but either way, I don't think it's a great situation.
[1:02:13] Speaker 5: And I also think the Colts just got off to
[1:02:15] Speaker 5: this extremely hot start that is not going to be
[1:02:18] Speaker 5: repeatable for the most part, I think, and he could
[1:02:21] Speaker 5: bury me like he could you need Jonathan Taylor against
[1:02:24] Speaker 5: the Browns week seventeen potentially. Yeah, So that's where I'm like,
[1:02:29] Speaker 5: you know, I'm definitely going to mix in some Taylor
[1:02:32] Speaker 5: at the end of my maybe at the end of
[1:02:34] Speaker 5: August once I can see how many Taylor teams I
[1:02:36] Speaker 5: have basically, but yeah, from an advance rate perspective, I
[1:02:41] Speaker 5: don't think that I'm gonna want Jonathan Taylor.
[1:02:45] Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look at his splits from week one
[1:02:49] Speaker 4: to week ten last year, which is when he like
[1:02:51] Speaker 4: everyone is sort of like anchored to what he did.
[1:02:53] Speaker 4: You know, during that stretch, he averaged like twenty seven
[1:02:56] Speaker 4: and a half PPR points per game. It was crazy,
[1:02:58] Speaker 4: like he was he was going absolutely nuts. And I
[1:03:00] Speaker 4: think that people look at like the other split you know,
[1:03:02] Speaker 4: out of this, you know, past week ten, and they
[1:03:05] Speaker 4: assumed that, oh, that was just because Daniel Jones was out,
[1:03:08] Speaker 4: but even the next three games after that split, because
[1:03:10] Speaker 4: I think it was that Falcons game that was overseas
[1:03:12] Speaker 4: where he like went nuts, went absolutely ham Jonathan Taylor did.
[1:03:15] Speaker 4: And then after that game he averaged like twelve PPR
[1:03:19] Speaker 4: points per game for three weeks, and then Daniel Jones
[1:03:21] Speaker 4: went down and he averaged thirteen point three PPR points
[1:03:24] Speaker 4: per game down the stretch, which really like, again, we
[1:03:28] Speaker 4: know the ceiling is there, but also I'm not sitting here.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: I don't want to bet on Indianapolis.
[1:03:34] Speaker 4: Literally, they were the best team in touchdowns per game
[1:03:37] Speaker 4: through that the first ten weeks last year.
[1:03:39] Speaker 5: And that's crazy, right, Like they were the best team
[1:03:42] Speaker 5: in the NFL. Like, if you had a through Week eight,
[1:03:44] Speaker 5: if you had the Super Bowl odds, it was probably
[1:03:46] Speaker 5: Colts to go to the Super Bowl.
[1:03:48] Speaker 4: Right, right, And and Daniel Jones now coming off the
[1:03:51] Speaker 4: Achilles and you know, just general regression, Like I think
[1:03:55] Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor's a general fade this year just because he's
[1:03:58] Speaker 4: placed in a tear, you're above the Gentes and even
[1:04:02] Speaker 4: like the James Cooks, if you want to throw him
[1:04:03] Speaker 4: in there, if if he does end up catching more
[1:04:05] Speaker 4: passes like the reports are saying or whomever, I think
[1:04:08] Speaker 4: he's just in the same tier as these guys, even
[1:04:10] Speaker 4: like a like, are you going to be shocked if
[1:04:12] Speaker 4: like Chase Brown outscores Jonathan Taylor this year in full PPR.
[1:04:15] Speaker 5: NO, I think after CMC goes, I think you kind
[1:04:18] Speaker 5: of enter a very flat tier honestly, all the way
[1:04:21] Speaker 5: down to Chase Brown. Henry yeaheah, totally agree, totally agree.
[1:04:25] Speaker 5: When you're looking late in drafts, who are who are
[1:04:27] Speaker 5: you targeting frequently? Right now, my most drafted player actually
[1:04:31] Speaker 5: is a late round quarterback. So it's Fanda Mendoza. I
[1:04:36] Speaker 5: don't know if this because it is late, but oh,
[1:04:38] Speaker 5: that's late any anytime. We've basically found out over the
[1:04:42] Speaker 5: last few seasons that the sims absolutely agree with three quarterbacks,
[1:04:47] Speaker 5: especially on the twenty round DraftKings. We so it's like,
[1:04:52] Speaker 5: let's pull the lever of rookie mystery box Mendoza. But
[1:04:56] Speaker 5: also the mystery box isn't much of a mystery. This
[1:04:59] Speaker 5: is like the Heisman winner, Championship Indiana quarterback who is
[1:05:04] Speaker 5: you know, he's a beast. Like physically, he's huge, which
[1:05:07] Speaker 5: I love. He's got all the quarterback skill sets for
[1:05:10] Speaker 5: the physical aspect, but he also has a rushing side
[1:05:14] Speaker 5: to him, which I think people underestimate.
[1:05:16] Speaker 6: I think his ability.
[1:05:17] Speaker 5: He's like maybe not like obviously Lamar or anything like that,
[1:05:22] Speaker 5: but he's got like a Trevor Lawrence in him where
[1:05:24] Speaker 5: you get around the goal line, and this guy's got
[1:05:26] Speaker 5: a nose for the end zone. So when I can
[1:05:28] Speaker 5: take that third quarterback who I know is going to
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: be starting at the end of the season. Yes, I
[1:05:33] Speaker 5: do not think Kirk is playing the whole season. You know,
[1:05:35] Speaker 5: I don't know if there are Kirk Truthers out there
[1:05:37] Speaker 5: that think he is. But you factor Clint Kubiak to
[1:05:41] Speaker 5: absolutely elite, elite weapons with Bowers and Gentee that you
[1:05:45] Speaker 5: can throw the ball to, and his ability to run
[1:05:48] Speaker 5: in touchdowns at after pick one P seventy right now
[1:05:52] Speaker 5: is a fantastic lever to pull in my opinion. And
[1:05:55] Speaker 5: then on top of that, Week sixteen he plays the
[1:05:58] Speaker 5: Titans in a dome, and in Week seventeen he plays
[1:06:01] Speaker 5: the Cardinals in the dumb. So if you have Mendoza
[1:06:04] Speaker 5: by week sixteen on a playoff best ball team, you
[1:06:08] Speaker 5: are I think you're feeling so good about your chances.
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that call.
[1:06:14] Speaker 4: I think that that's one of the uh you know,
[1:06:17] Speaker 4: in going three quarterback if you get two pretty established
[1:06:19] Speaker 4: guys where you're like, I could just settle here and
[1:06:21] Speaker 4: be done. That quarterback like he's been one that I
[1:06:24] Speaker 4: just kind of tag on, especially if I got Bauers early,
[1:06:27] Speaker 4: it's easy or.
[1:06:28] Speaker 6: Just a cardinal. If you took Jeremiah Love for McBride,
[1:06:30] Speaker 6: just have the bringback.
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally agree. That's a great call. Love that all.
[1:06:34] Speaker 4: Right, Before I let you go, give me give me
[1:06:36] Speaker 4: a bold take for this twenty twenty six season.
[1:06:40] Speaker 5: Bold take for this twenty twenty sixth season. I'm I'm
[1:06:43] Speaker 5: going to say, man, yeah, it's like you can go
[1:06:46] Speaker 5: a bunch of different directions. You do a player take,
[1:06:48] Speaker 5: do a macro take. Let's do a macro take. I'm
[1:06:50] Speaker 5: going to say wide receivers matter. I think people are
[1:06:54] Speaker 5: completely out of the loop with what they're doing at
[1:06:57] Speaker 5: wide receiver. I think the fact that people can look
[1:07:01] Speaker 5: down at a roster and think that Jalen Cokers your
[1:07:05] Speaker 5: wide receiver four, but I have all these awesome quarterbacks,
[1:07:08] Speaker 5: and running backs is not the way to play. People
[1:07:11] Speaker 5: are overdrafting quarterback early. They're even taking potentially too many
[1:07:16] Speaker 5: running backs if you hit on the mid the ambiguous
[1:07:19] Speaker 5: round running backs, Like every single year there is Washington, Minnesota,
[1:07:24] Speaker 5: Tennessee a bunch of different ambiguous running back rooms this season,
[1:07:28] Speaker 5: to where you can just take your anchor early, maybe
[1:07:30] Speaker 5: double anchor if you want, and then wait a little bit.
[1:07:33] Speaker 5: That is the way to play. Even Broncos. Now, the
[1:07:35] Speaker 5: first Broncos running back goes off round eight. That's an
[1:07:38] Speaker 5: awesome running back room. So there's that, and I would
[1:07:41] Speaker 5: just say get your strong wide receivers early. They do matter.
[1:07:44] Speaker 5: When you are looking down at a team in week fifteen,
[1:07:47] Speaker 5: Week sixteen, you don't want to see Jalen Cokers, your
[1:07:49] Speaker 5: wide receiver four that you need a big game out
[1:07:51] Speaker 5: of that week when you have to beat one in
[1:07:53] Speaker 5: fifteen people in the pot or whatever you want to.
[1:07:56] Speaker 5: You want to look down and see like, okay, sick,
[1:07:59] Speaker 5: maybe this team barely advanced at a heart of time,
[1:08:01] Speaker 5: but now I'm looking down at Jamar Chase Nico Collins, Rice,
[1:08:06] Speaker 5: and my running backs are still good enough to where
[1:08:08] Speaker 5: they can they're they're obviously good enough because this team
[1:08:10] Speaker 5: advanced kind of thing.
[1:08:11] Speaker 6: So yeah, that's that's what I that's what I would say.
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: I love that.
[1:08:15] Speaker 4: I also think that, like this is a really good
[1:08:17] Speaker 4: year to mix up your structural drafting and like don't
[1:08:21] Speaker 4: be super rigid with like just doing the same thing
[1:08:24] Speaker 4: over Not only have I learned through doing this that
[1:08:27] Speaker 4: that's just a really easy way to like get your
[1:08:29] Speaker 4: exposure in a good place right by not just doing
[1:08:32] Speaker 4: the same thing over and over again. Because if you're
[1:08:34] Speaker 4: just drafting running backs early over and over again, you're
[1:08:36] Speaker 4: gonna have zero AJ Brown. You're gonna have zero Drake London.
[1:08:38] Speaker 4: You're gonna you're just not gonna have these guys who
[1:08:40] Speaker 4: we know objectively are real. Like I even look at
[1:08:43] Speaker 4: my portfolio sometimes I'm like, oh crap, I don't have
[1:08:45] Speaker 4: nearly enough Drake London right now, even though I don't
[1:08:47] Speaker 4: like love London this year in a situation compared to
[1:08:50] Speaker 4: other guys, but I'm like, I understand that he has
[1:08:53] Speaker 4: that outcome of just destroying in a playoff week because
[1:08:56] Speaker 4: it's Drake freaking London, right, especially in a full PPR platform,
[1:08:59] Speaker 4: And so.
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: I think it's just really it's a great call out.
[1:09:02] Speaker 4: Like it's very easy to listen to shows like this
[1:09:05] Speaker 4: and be like, all right, it's optimal to go running back,
[1:09:08] Speaker 4: running back and then to you know, do whatever you
[1:09:10] Speaker 4: want with these middle round quarterbacks and stuff. But like
[1:09:13] Speaker 4: you you can't let wide receiver fall aside because it
[1:09:16] Speaker 4: is still a very very important position.
[1:09:18] Speaker 6: Exactly. Yep, that's that's really about it.
[1:09:20] Speaker 5: Yeah, and then back to the earlier point is like
[1:09:23] Speaker 5: you know, put put Drake London on a gent team.
[1:09:25] Speaker 5: I'm not saying you have to start wide receiver, wide receiver,
[1:09:28] Speaker 5: take an anchor running back, and then pound wide receiver
[1:09:31] Speaker 5: like have have your wide receiver five or six or sorry,
[1:09:36] Speaker 5: wide receiver five be something really fun, like maybe it's
[1:09:38] Speaker 5: a Makai Lemon in the eighth round. Yeah, so you're
[1:09:41] Speaker 5: looking down down the stretches, getting more targets than than
[1:09:45] Speaker 5: Smith or whatever, like in you you're advancing that team
[1:09:48] Speaker 5: that could be that could be a really fun squad
[1:09:50] Speaker 5: for you.
[1:09:50] Speaker 4: So yeah, love that call out, BBG man. Let everyone
[1:09:53] Speaker 4: know where they can find you and and what you
[1:09:55] Speaker 4: guys are doing. Over the Toxic Tower. What you're doing
[1:09:57] Speaker 4: on your YouTube channel, just just shout it all out.
[1:10:00] Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you JJ, thanks for having me. It's been great.
[1:10:03] Speaker 5: We are live on the Best Ball Guy YouTube channel.
[1:10:07] Speaker 5: Just type in best Ball Guy and you'll find it.
[1:10:09] Speaker 5: I go live twice a week where I do three
[1:10:11] Speaker 5: hours plus of live best ball drafting. I'm also on
[1:10:15] Speaker 5: a show that is I don't really know how to
[1:10:18] Speaker 5: even describe toalksower. Maybe JJ can do a better version
[1:10:21] Speaker 5: than me, but it's like a comedy show yet analytical show.
[1:10:26] Speaker 6: For Best Ball as well, called the Toxic Tower. It is.
[1:10:28] Speaker 5: It is a fantastic time. We do that show, one
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: public show a week and then also one member's only
[1:10:34] Speaker 5: show a week for five dollars. You can become a
[1:10:36] Speaker 5: member over there, So go check it out, man. Yeah,
[1:10:38] Speaker 5: if you search Toxic Tower on YouTube or Best Ball
[1:10:43] Speaker 5: Guy on YouTube, you should come across that.
[1:10:45] Speaker 4: I think that Toxic Tower is great because in the
[1:10:48] Speaker 4: fantasy football space, you don't find a lot of shows
[1:10:51] Speaker 4: where people are just like openly disagreeing with one another.
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: And you guys are all.
[1:10:55] Speaker 4: Buddies and like, you can you can do that openly
[1:10:57] Speaker 4: and not trash.
[1:10:59] Speaker 1: But just say like, you know, you're not being smart
[1:11:01] Speaker 1: with this.
[1:11:01] Speaker 4: Take whatever, and you guys can can you know, give
[1:11:04] Speaker 4: each other crap for it, but it allows the from
[1:11:07] Speaker 4: a user perspective and a watcher perspective, it's very entertaining.
[1:11:10] Speaker 4: But also like we need more of that, just general debate.
[1:11:14] Speaker 4: I think, like I'm guilty of it.
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: You know.
[1:11:16] Speaker 4: I have people on the show all the time where
[1:11:18] Speaker 4: they say something and I might disagree with it, and
[1:11:20] Speaker 4: I try to push back a little bit. But it's
[1:11:21] Speaker 4: not always the easiest thing to do. But when you're
[1:11:23] Speaker 4: comfortable with that person and those people, it's a lot
[1:11:26] Speaker 4: easier to do it and have fun with it. So
[1:11:28] Speaker 4: I would definitely check out the Toxic Tower. All great guy,
[1:11:32] Speaker 4: PPR Tyler, I'm.
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: Still kind of iffy.
[1:11:34] Speaker 6: We're still coming around to him.
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see.
[1:11:37] Speaker 4: As always, guys, make sure you check out Late Round
[1:11:39] Speaker 4: dot com. The Late Round Draft Guide will be out
[1:11:41] Speaker 4: on Friday, actually probably Thursday night, so if you go
[1:11:44] Speaker 4: pre order that now, you will get it. There's weekly updates,
[1:11:48] Speaker 4: you get rankings and tiers, there's tons of game theory stuff.
[1:11:50] Speaker 4: I'm finished writing it. We're in sort of the editing
[1:11:53] Speaker 4: phase right now. And it's going to be about three
[1:11:56] Speaker 4: hundred pages long. It is a is a very very
[1:11:58] Speaker 4: beastly guy. It's the longest and most in depth that
[1:12:01] Speaker 4: I've done, so check it all out lateround dot com. Otherwise, everyone,
[1:12:06] Speaker 4: thanks for tuning in.

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