# Late-Round Perspectives: Eric Balkman

An episode of [The Late-Round Fantasy Football Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1224965828), 16 Oct 2026, 1 h 04 min.

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The FFPC's Eric Balkman (@EricBalkman) joins JJ to discuss how high-stakes fantasy football players manage their teams, free agent auction budget strategies, how to gain an edge in an age of plentiful information, and more. Make sure to check out LateRound.com to become a member! The new Members Hub is the place for rankings and tiers, data dumps, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Eric Balkman is a content producer at the FFPC who
[0:03] Speaker 1: hosts a ton of shows, including the High Stakes Fantasy
[0:06] Speaker 1: Football Hour and the Rotovis High Stakes Lowdown. He's a
[0:09] Speaker 1: Packers season ticket holder, a loyal Brewers fan, and he's
[0:11] Speaker 1: got the most epic beard in the fantasy football space.
[0:14] Speaker 2: These are his late round perspectives.
[0:28] Speaker 3: I feel like complete crap for two reasons right now, JJ.
[0:32] Speaker 3: The first reason is I just rammed some venison summer
[0:36] Speaker 3: sausage down my gullet because I was starving, and I'm
[0:39] Speaker 3: totally regretting that decision right now. The second is I
[0:43] Speaker 3: spent nearly $ 6, 000 a few hours ago on.
[0:48] Speaker 3: Game six and game seven world series tickets for my
[0:52] Speaker 3: Milwaukee brewers.
[0:53] Speaker 4: Wow.
[0:54] Speaker 3: It may not get there. It may not get to
[0:56] Speaker 3: game six, may not get to game seven. And quite frankly,
[1:00] Speaker 3: it may not like, they may not get to the
[1:01] Speaker 3: world series.
[1:02] Speaker 4: They haven't beaten the Dodgers, you know?
[1:04] Speaker 3: Yeah. And, and by the time this, this airs, we'll know, but, but,
[1:08] Speaker 3: but I, I definitely, you know, it's one of those
[1:11] Speaker 3: once in a lifetime things.
[1:12] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:13] Speaker 3: And I was three years old when the brewers were
[1:16] Speaker 3: in the world series last time.
[1:17] Speaker 4: Obviously I don't remember it, And I just, I just remember.
[1:20] Speaker 3: The feeling of being at Pfizer forum when the box
[1:23] Speaker 3: won the title a few years ago.
[1:25] Speaker 4: Unbelievable. Hopefully we can replicate that this year. That's baseball.
[1:29] Speaker 4: That's baseball. Nobody cares.
[1:31] Speaker 1: Hey, to be fair, to be fair, this is the
[1:33] Speaker 1: third straight perspectives episode where we've opened up about baseball.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Dave Richard, two weeks ago, he was wearing a white
[1:40] Speaker 1: socks Jersey. Obviously we know, unfortunately how things went there.
[1:45] Speaker 1: And then fabs was on last week and he was
[1:46] Speaker 1: talking about the Yankees and we know how, I mean,
[1:48] Speaker 1: By the time he was talking about it, they had
[1:49] Speaker 1: already lost.
[1:51] Speaker 2: And then now, now you get the brew crew doing
[1:53] Speaker 2: their thing. I'm just sitting here.
[1:54] Speaker 1: Jealous as a pirates fan is my, I mean, I
[1:58] Speaker 1: haven't experienced the only thing that I've like kind of
[2:01] Speaker 1: experienced as an adult been, you know, that like 13, 14,
[2:05] Speaker 1: 15 type timeframe where they were like fun and decent. And,
[2:09] Speaker 1: but they just kept hitting these buzz saws in the
[2:11] Speaker 1: wild card round, you know, the, the, the playing game
[2:13] Speaker 1: every year.
[2:14] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:14] Speaker 3: I remember like one of the, like I would, I
[2:16] Speaker 3: was really getting into baseball when I was a kid.
[2:19] Speaker 3: those pirates Braves or that pirates Braves series when they
[2:21] Speaker 3: had the bonds and Bonilla and Vince like, and, and,
[2:25] Speaker 3: and wasn't it the bonds throw to the plate?
[2:28] Speaker 4: Yes.
[2:28] Speaker 3: Um, uh, Sid Breen, I feel like was the guy
[2:31] Speaker 3: that scored Francisco.
[2:32] Speaker 4: Cabrera was the guy that hit it.
[2:34] Speaker 3: And i'm and i was dude i and and like
[2:37] Speaker 3: i've changed a little bit on this but i was
[2:39] Speaker 3: a massive barry bonds fan like growing up yeah like
[2:42] Speaker 3: like from his pie and then he went to san
[2:44] Speaker 3: francisco i have an uncle who lives in san francisco
[2:46] Speaker 3: right outside san francisco so um like even when he
[2:49] Speaker 3: was a giant i was still following him i still
[2:51] Speaker 3: have like hundreds of barry bonds cards i was i
[2:54] Speaker 3: was absolutely loving bonds and the pirates too and i
[2:58] Speaker 3: i think that there's something like there's like this, and
[3:02] Speaker 3: I know you're not in Pittsburgh anymore, but I think
[3:04] Speaker 3: there's this like kinship that Pittsburgh and like Green Bay,
[3:07] Speaker 3: like Northeast Wisconsin. I think that there's a, there's a
[3:10] Speaker 3: lot of salt of the earth type people there. And
[3:12] Speaker 3: I feel like we're very, very similar Packers fans, Steelers fans, very,
[3:14] Speaker 3: very similar.
[3:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%.
[3:17] Speaker 1: That's why I look at Milwaukee, I know they're quote-unquote
[3:19] Speaker 1: division rivals and such, but I'm like, yeah, that would
[3:22] Speaker 1: be sweet. If you grew up in a smaller market area,
[3:27] Speaker 1: a Midwest city, whatever.
[3:30] Speaker 2: The case may be, you're not rooting for the Dodgers.
[3:33] Speaker 2: We'll say that much. You're just not.
[3:35] Speaker 1: It's similar to how I think a lot of people
[3:39] Speaker 1: view the Bills in football, where you're just like, Yeah,
[3:42] Speaker 1: I think Buffalo fans deserve this at some point, you know,
[3:45] Speaker 1: like at some point, let's hope that they get that
[3:48] Speaker 1: W because, you know, they've been through what they've been there.
[3:50] Speaker 1: Or you could say the same thing about I know
[3:52] Speaker 1: that you probably don't want to say don't want to
[3:53] Speaker 1: hear this, but.
[3:53] Speaker 2: Like Minnesota, right? The folks in Minnesota, like they're good people.
[3:58] Speaker 1: They probably not not have to live through what they've
[4:01] Speaker 1: lived through as sports fans.
[4:04] Speaker 4: I think that it just goes back to the mentality
[4:06] Speaker 4: of the underdog, right?
[4:07] Speaker 3: Like we, we America, it's funny because America loves winners
[4:12] Speaker 3: until what's the line from dark night until they live
[4:14] Speaker 3: long enough to see themselves become the villain.
[4:16] Speaker 4: Dodgers are a villain. Yankees have become a villain.
[4:19] Speaker 3: You know, you think about homes became a villain, right?
[4:22] Speaker 3: Like my homes became, that's a perfect example.
[4:24] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[4:24] Speaker 4: And, and America loves the underdog. Now here's the thing.
[4:27] Speaker 3: I know that if the brewers somehow find a way
[4:31] Speaker 3: to get to the world series and win it.
[4:32] Speaker 4: This year, that's where America's empathy ends.
[4:36] Speaker 3: Like then, then they're done with the brewers. Then they're,
[4:39] Speaker 3: then they're onto the rays or the guardians or what,
[4:41] Speaker 3: what have you. Cause, cause all they, they already want it,
[4:43] Speaker 3: you know? So we're good now. Milwaukee got their reward,
[4:46] Speaker 3: which I'm fine with. Like I, you root for who
[4:48] Speaker 3: you root for. Um, I don't really root against it.
[4:50] Speaker 3: I know I probably should root against like the Vikings
[4:53] Speaker 3: and the bears and so on and so forth. I don't,
[4:55] Speaker 3: I don't harbor ill will to those things. Maybe that doesn't,
[4:58] Speaker 3: I'm just not a true fan then.
[5:00] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[5:00] Speaker 2: You're just mature. That's all.
[5:02] Speaker 4: I think that's what it is.
[5:03] Speaker 3: And I'll tell you this, JJ, and I promise you
[5:06] Speaker 3: we're going to get to this in a second, like
[5:07] Speaker 3: what we're going to talk about. I had a local,
[5:11] Speaker 3: and you know what? I'm going to save this. I'm
[5:12] Speaker 3: going to save this because it's going to help answer
[5:14] Speaker 3: one of the questions. So I'll save it for now,
[5:16] Speaker 3: and we'll get back.
[5:16] Speaker 4: To it in a second.
[5:17] Speaker 1: Okay well let's talk about you first off beard looks
[5:19] Speaker 1: great thank you per use how long how long has
[5:22] Speaker 1: that been going.
[5:23] Speaker 3: August of 22 was the last time i had a
[5:26] Speaker 3: clean shaven face august i.
[5:28] Speaker 1: Literally i have no perspective of how long something like
[5:32] Speaker 1: that would take you know what i mean like because
[5:34] Speaker 1: i'm just trimming my i do like beard trimmer stuff
[5:36] Speaker 1: whatever and like that's just you know i i don't
[5:38] Speaker 1: i don't think about how long all that would go
[5:41] Speaker 1: for it was there a reason that you that you
[5:42] Speaker 1: went in that direction.
[5:43] Speaker 3: So this will help answer the question, but I have
[5:46] Speaker 3: two full-time jobs and kind of a quasi-part-time job.
[5:50] Speaker 4: So time is at a premium for me.
[5:52] Speaker 3: And I think back in August, it was right when
[5:54] Speaker 3: the cusp of draft season was hitting FFPC, and we
[5:57] Speaker 3: had the draft-a-thon coming up, and then obviously our Vegas events,
[6:00] Speaker 3: and then I was doing a lot of shows and
[6:02] Speaker 3: doing a lot of stuff. And it just got to
[6:04] Speaker 3: be one of those things where I just neglected to shave.
[6:07] Speaker 4: I just.
[6:08] Speaker 3: for a week or two and then i'm like you
[6:09] Speaker 3: know what i'm gonna grow it out see what it's
[6:11] Speaker 3: like and then it got to be the point and
[6:13] Speaker 3: and this is maybe like a a mental illness or
[6:16] Speaker 3: something i have i shouldn't use that term but some
[6:18] Speaker 3: sort of mental whatever where now i just want to
[6:20] Speaker 3: see how long i can get it right and and
[6:23] Speaker 3: and so i know that once i shaved my beard
[6:26] Speaker 3: off it will never be i will never grow it
[6:28] Speaker 3: to this length ever again for the rest of my
[6:29] Speaker 3: life i just yeah right it won't happen again So
[6:32] Speaker 3: now at this point, I want to see how long
[6:33] Speaker 3: I can get it. There's been talk about like, when
[6:35] Speaker 3: I do shave it off, are we going to do
[6:37] Speaker 3: it on a show? And why are we going to
[6:38] Speaker 3: like have some sort of like charity, you know, like
[6:41] Speaker 3: hook that up and, and we'll probably do something like that.
[6:44] Speaker 3: I'd like to say that 2027, the beard is gone,
[6:48] Speaker 3: but I've said that the last three years and it
[6:50] Speaker 3: hasn't come off yet.
[6:51] Speaker 2: So who does it, does it get obnoxious?
[6:54] Speaker 1: See like my, when mine gets like a little bit,
[6:56] Speaker 1: just like even just a little bit, I'm like, this is.
[6:58] Speaker 3: Getting like itchy and annoying and you know, I don't get,
[7:01] Speaker 3: I don't get itchiness anymore. And, and living in Northeast Wisconsin,
[7:04] Speaker 3: I mean, we have 11 month winters up here. So I, my,
[7:07] Speaker 3: my face always stays nice and warm. I will say like,
[7:10] Speaker 3: if I don't, and I do trim my mustache, if
[7:12] Speaker 3: that starts growing over my lip, then I get kind
[7:15] Speaker 3: of annoyed, but that's about it. I don't really, I'm
[7:17] Speaker 3: pretty laissez faire when it comes to the rest of it. Okay.
[7:20] Speaker 3: All right.
[7:20] Speaker 2: Well, let's talk football. Let's talk.
[7:22] Speaker 4: Sure.
[7:22] Speaker 3: Yes.
[7:22] Speaker 4: Okay.
[7:23] Speaker 1: First off, Introduce yourself to the Perspectives family here listening.
[7:28] Speaker 1: Your background, you've been around for a minute. You and
[7:30] Speaker 1: I have done shows together at times periodically through the year.
[7:34] Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a really long time at this point,
[7:35] Speaker 1: but how did you get going and what are you
[7:38] Speaker 1: doing now in the space?
[7:39] Speaker 3: So originally, FFPC co-founder Dave Gerzak, I worked for him.
[7:44] Speaker 3: I still work for him for another gig for an
[7:47] Speaker 3: e-commerce website that he owns. And, um, I started that
[7:51] Speaker 3: in 2002 now in 2008. Um, and this is a
[7:55] Speaker 3: little bit of background on the high stakes fantasy football
[7:57] Speaker 3: industry in 2008, the dominant force out there was, and
[8:00] Speaker 3: it had been for, for the better part of a
[8:02] Speaker 3: decade was the world championship of fantasy football. There were
[8:05] Speaker 3: whispers and rumors and beliefs among certain players that maybe
[8:09] Speaker 3: this did not have the longevity, that maybe that contest
[8:14] Speaker 3: was not in the greatest of spaces. So three guys, Dave,
[8:19] Speaker 3: Alex Kaganovsky, who's the other FFPC co-founder, and then another
[8:21] Speaker 3: silent partner who, because of his job in the financial industry,
[8:26] Speaker 3: he could not really be a part of the FFPC.
[8:29] Speaker 3: So he, so it was those two guys and they
[8:32] Speaker 3: started the FFPC in 2008. Now, um, they would, we'd
[8:36] Speaker 3: have a live event out in Las Vegas and it varied.
[8:39] Speaker 3: Like sometimes it's at Rio, sometimes that Caesars, uh, right
[8:42] Speaker 3: now we're at Planet Hollywood, but they would have these
[8:44] Speaker 3: live events out there where people are drafting teams. Now,
[8:46] Speaker 3: the way we do it and the way we've done
[8:48] Speaker 3: it the last 10 years is as people are drafting
[8:51] Speaker 3: players and we're putting the stickers up on the board,
[8:53] Speaker 3: we have a, we have an app where we're entering
[8:55] Speaker 3: in the picks and Well, back in 2008, we didn't
[8:58] Speaker 3: have that. So when the drafts would get done around,
[9:01] Speaker 3: you know, eight o'clock, nine o'clock Pacific time, Dave would
[9:05] Speaker 3: email me and say, Hey, put yourself on the clock.
[9:07] Speaker 3: This is for the other gig I was working for.
[9:08] Speaker 3: I need you to enter in all these rosters. And
[9:10] Speaker 3: he and I had been playing fantasy football for like
[9:12] Speaker 3: 10 years together.
[9:13] Speaker 4: So he knew, you know, whatever.
[9:15] Speaker 3: So then I did that, and then it became a
[9:17] Speaker 3: yearly thing, and then sort of like my duties expanded,
[9:20] Speaker 3: and then when I graduated college late, I graduated in 2011,
[9:25] Speaker 3: and then in 2012, I was looking for a gig.
[9:28] Speaker 4: So I was a double major.
[9:29] Speaker 3: I was journalism and then radio, TV, film, and I
[9:32] Speaker 3: was looking for a gig in local television and local radio,
[9:35] Speaker 3: and I kept working that other gig with Dave while
[9:38] Speaker 3: I was looking for a job, and he said, hey,
[9:39] Speaker 3: why don't you just start a podcast?
[9:42] Speaker 4: And I said, well, yeah, I hadn't really considered that,
[9:44] Speaker 4: but sure.
[9:45] Speaker 3: So we started an FFPC podcast titled The High Stakes
[9:48] Speaker 3: Fantasy Football Hour.
[9:49] Speaker 4: It aired at night.
[9:50] Speaker 3: It still airs at nine o'clock or 10 o'clock Friday nights.
[9:53] Speaker 3: And it was sort of like there was another longstanding
[9:56] Speaker 3: high stakes fantasy football podcast that went out right before it.
[9:59] Speaker 4: So it was kind of like... a block.
[10:00] Speaker 3: Like you got two hours of your dose of high
[10:02] Speaker 3: stakes fantasy football. So so I yeah, I said, let's
[10:05] Speaker 3: do that. And then that expanded into now I'm doing
[10:10] Speaker 3: four shows for FFPC. As of January 1st of this year,
[10:14] Speaker 3: I became full-time there. They started just giving me more
[10:17] Speaker 3: and more responsibilities and stuff. And so now I'm technically
[10:22] Speaker 3: an employee of it. And Brian Drake from... uh, fantasy
[10:27] Speaker 3: points said something when he was watching one of my shows,
[10:29] Speaker 3: he was in the chat and he said, well, Eric
[10:31] Speaker 3: Balkman is, he's gotta be one of the most underrated
[10:33] Speaker 3: fantasy analysts out there.
[10:34] Speaker 4: And I, and I, well, I appreciate that.
[10:36] Speaker 3: I really resent it because I am just sort of
[10:38] Speaker 3: like a bystander and all this soaking up as much
[10:41] Speaker 3: information as I can. And I feel like that's what
[10:43] Speaker 3: I've been doing with FFPC. uh, over the course of
[10:46] Speaker 3: the last, you know, nearly 20 years now is talking
[10:49] Speaker 3: to high stakes players, talking to other people in the
[10:51] Speaker 3: industry and just trying to become a better fantasy football player.
[10:53] Speaker 3: And JJ, isn't that what we're all just trying to
[10:56] Speaker 3: do is win more games, win more leagues.
[10:58] Speaker 4: I think that's what the whole idea is.
[11:00] Speaker 2: A hundred percent, man.
[11:01] Speaker 1: I mean, that that's, that's a big reason why I
[11:02] Speaker 1: wanted to start perspectives when I did, you know, a
[11:04] Speaker 1: few years ago is that I wanted to have a
[11:07] Speaker 1: show that was not just me spewing information to an audience.
[11:11] Speaker 1: And it was me having these conversations, learning more you know,
[11:14] Speaker 1: perspectives coming from the idea of getting other people's perspectives.
[11:18] Speaker 1: And it's been great from that standpoint, you know, like
[11:21] Speaker 1: it's a really important thing to have these conversations, to
[11:24] Speaker 1: talk to people. I mean, you've now talked to every
[11:28] Speaker 1: high stakes person out there, right?
[11:31] Speaker 4: I mean, I would say this, it is far from it.
[11:33] Speaker 4: Like there are so.
[11:34] Speaker 3: Many, like originally, and I'll just tell you this, just
[11:36] Speaker 3: a bit of background on the original podcast that started
[11:39] Speaker 3: the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour. The original idea was
[11:42] Speaker 3: to get people excited to come out and draft not
[11:46] Speaker 3: only with the ffpc but draft live with us in
[11:48] Speaker 3: las vegas right yeah and then that quickly evolved within
[11:52] Speaker 3: like a year and you know i'm talking to all
[11:54] Speaker 3: these guys that are and women too that are putting
[11:56] Speaker 3: up serious cash um of their own money to try
[12:00] Speaker 3: to win you know six and seven figure grand prize
[12:02] Speaker 3: and like nobody ever hears about them and this was
[12:04] Speaker 3: like kind of pre-twitter a little bit like obviously before
[12:08] Speaker 3: twitter exploded but like none of these people have an
[12:10] Speaker 3: avenue and, and they have, they have, they have such
[12:13] Speaker 3: great fantasy minds. And so I think that's what, what
[12:15] Speaker 3: all the shows sort of evolved into is like people
[12:18] Speaker 3: that didn't have an avenue to, to, to really help
[12:22] Speaker 3: other people be better fantasy players. I think that's what
[12:25] Speaker 3: the high stakes fantasy football hours become is, is, is
[12:28] Speaker 3: people you would never hear of or they get lost
[12:31] Speaker 3: in the sauce you know you know because the louder
[12:33] Speaker 3: voices drown them out or whatever um i just feel
[12:36] Speaker 3: like that's like a nice little corner forget the high
[12:38] Speaker 3: stakes industry just a nice little corner of the fantasy
[12:40] Speaker 3: football industry yes you get perspectives from all these different
[12:44] Speaker 3: people from all these different walks of life and it's
[12:46] Speaker 3: made me a better player too um getting out of
[12:49] Speaker 3: my own echo chamber i don't know if you dealt
[12:50] Speaker 3: with this jj when you were coming up But getting
[12:53] Speaker 3: out of my own echo chamber was hard. It was really,
[12:56] Speaker 3: really difficult for me to embrace other philosophies and other
[12:59] Speaker 3: strategies and other player evaluations. And I think once I
[13:02] Speaker 3: was really accepting of that, I definitely became a better
[13:05] Speaker 3: player for sure.
[13:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, a lot of people listening to this
[13:08] Speaker 1: probably have no idea that like, I don't know, 10
[13:11] Speaker 1: years ago, I'd say was at its peak when there
[13:13] Speaker 1: were like literal wars, you know, through words on the
[13:17] Speaker 1: internet between folks who are, you know, more high stakes
[13:21] Speaker 1: players versus analysts that out there that maybe weren't playing
[13:24] Speaker 1: in some of these leagues. I think what's been really
[13:27] Speaker 1: cool since that point in time when it probably peaked,
[13:29] Speaker 1: I don't know, I'd say like 10 years ago or
[13:31] Speaker 1: so where it was like, The fantasy industry was kind
[13:33] Speaker 1: of on the come up and there were like more
[13:35] Speaker 1: and more analysts that were doing it for money and
[13:37] Speaker 1: for their job. And then obviously you have these players
[13:40] Speaker 1: who are putting a lot of money on the line
[13:42] Speaker 1: and trying to be profitable and lucrative from just playing
[13:46] Speaker 1: the game when those clashes were happening. Which I think
[13:49] Speaker 1: there was like, if I were to like diagnose that,
[13:52] Speaker 1: I think it was like envy on both sides.
[13:54] Speaker 2: You know, it was like a, it was.
[13:55] Speaker 1: Like the, you know, the high stakes players were like, wait,
[13:58] Speaker 1: why are you getting an audience? And then the people
[14:00] Speaker 1: with an audience were like, oh, I can play better
[14:02] Speaker 1: than you can.
[14:03] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[14:03] Speaker 1: So it was like, it was just sort of this,
[14:05] Speaker 1: like a lot of people just not having any self-awareness
[14:08] Speaker 1: and understandably so, because you're trying to protect what you do, right?
[14:11] Speaker 2: You're trying to protect yourself.
[14:12] Speaker 1: The thing that you feel very passionate about. But what's
[14:15] Speaker 1: been really cool, I think is that like, I've gotten
[14:17] Speaker 1: to know a lot of people who now play, I mean,
[14:19] Speaker 1: whether through you and some of the shows we've done
[14:21] Speaker 1: or like just in general, you know, cause like, you know,
[14:24] Speaker 1: I've then been introduced to some people through that audience or,
[14:27] Speaker 1: you know, whatever.
[14:28] Speaker 2: The case may be.
[14:29] Speaker 1: I think it's been cool to see how there's been
[14:31] Speaker 1: like a merging of, of these worlds and a little
[14:34] Speaker 1: bit like you, you see like really, really good high
[14:37] Speaker 1: stakes players that are giving advice now.
[14:40] Speaker 4: Right?
[14:40] Speaker 1: That are working for some websites and stuff, right? Or
[14:43] Speaker 1: you see people who... I think Bestball has helped too,
[14:46] Speaker 1: where you have these platforms that you're able to at
[14:49] Speaker 1: least show that you're putting money on the line, that
[14:51] Speaker 1: you're doing this. And then I think there's a little
[14:53] Speaker 1: bit more respect then from either side, etc, etc. I
[14:56] Speaker 1: think the more that you get introduced to, okay, I'm
[15:00] Speaker 1: an analyst.
[15:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I play more money than most people in fantasy football.
[15:03] Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.
[15:04] Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not doing the, the, the 50, 60, 70,
[15:08] Speaker 1: $ 80, 000 type stuff that, you know, some other people are doing.
[15:11] Speaker 1: And so, but, but like, I think that, that when
[15:14] Speaker 1: you put yourself in those shoes of the other person,
[15:17] Speaker 1: you know, you're able to then, you know, have a
[15:19] Speaker 1: little bit more, uh, you know, humility of what, with
[15:22] Speaker 1: what you're doing, but then also respect for, for what, what.
[15:25] Speaker 2: They're doing as well. And I think that's what we've
[15:28] Speaker 2: seen over the years.
[15:29] Speaker 4: And it's so difficult to do that.
[15:31] Speaker 3: I mean, we are, just as humans, just normally, we
[15:33] Speaker 3: are so committed to our own self-interest in everything.
[15:37] Speaker 4: Like, it's just, it's not being selfish. It's just how, like,
[15:40] Speaker 4: we kind of are, right?
[15:42] Speaker 3: One of the things that I'm always most proud of,
[15:44] Speaker 3: and I remember the war, like, there was a lot
[15:46] Speaker 3: of jealousy, like, as you said, on both sides. Um,
[15:50] Speaker 3: one of the things that I'm always proud of when I, when,
[15:52] Speaker 3: when we have a guy like, I think there's three
[15:55] Speaker 3: guys and I'm probably forgetting some other people, but I
[15:57] Speaker 3: think about when we had Monty fan on, um, um,
[16:01] Speaker 3: high stakes fantasy football or like 10 plus years ago.
[16:04] Speaker 4: Now this dude's working for Roto-Viz, right?
[16:06] Speaker 3: We had Dwayne McFarlane on who's absolutely crushing it and
[16:09] Speaker 3: fantasy life. Um, And his first ever podcast appearance was,
[16:12] Speaker 3: was on our show season two.
[16:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
[16:16] Speaker 3: And, and, uh, and then we have, um, a B bag,
[16:18] Speaker 3: but Tova who granted like probably didn't need us. Like
[16:21] Speaker 3: he came on our show and then he won back
[16:23] Speaker 3: to back mid stakes titles, which was just insane.
[16:26] Speaker 4: He didn't need us for that.
[16:27] Speaker 3: But again, like his first media before he started his
[16:30] Speaker 3: own podcast, was, was on our show.
[16:32] Speaker 4: So, and, and I think about, and then you flip
[16:33] Speaker 4: it over to the, to the reverse side.
[16:35] Speaker 3: I remember in Peter Overzet and Pat Corain, um, were
[16:38] Speaker 3: drafting at the FFPC live events for the first time.
[16:41] Speaker 4: Right.
[16:41] Speaker 3: And, uh, and even they, I, you could tell they
[16:43] Speaker 3: were a little intimidated, not, not, not afraid, but maybe
[16:46] Speaker 3: a little intimidated of like, I remember one of the
[16:49] Speaker 3: things that they said, what in one of the shows
[16:51] Speaker 3: that they were doing out there, they were talking about
[16:53] Speaker 3: their portfolio and they're playing in one FFPC main event
[16:56] Speaker 3: league at the time. And they're like, This is the portfolio,
[16:58] Speaker 3: you know, the better part of $ 2, 000 buying. And now
[17:00] Speaker 3: you look at those guys and they're doing, you know,
[17:03] Speaker 3: dozens of main events every year and all these other things.
[17:06] Speaker 3: So I think social media and the ability for anybody
[17:11] Speaker 3: to have a microphone and a camera has been both
[17:13] Speaker 3: a blessing and a curse. It's definitely helped those two
[17:17] Speaker 3: sides get together. Obviously with the pros versus Joe's thing
[17:20] Speaker 3: that we have with FFPC every year, that's always a
[17:23] Speaker 3: big hit to where, where, you know, the Joe's have
[17:26] Speaker 3: an opportunity to prove that they know more than the
[17:28] Speaker 3: pros and the pros on the flip side can, can,
[17:31] Speaker 3: can absolutely be vindicated by, by winning their leagues or
[17:34] Speaker 3: winning the whole thing, you know? And, And I think
[17:36] Speaker 3: that carries a lot of respect with analysts too, or with,
[17:39] Speaker 3: with regular players as well, when pros are battling these
[17:43] Speaker 3: high rolling Joes and they're still getting it done.
[17:45] Speaker 4: I think there's something there.
[17:46] Speaker 2: I'll say, I'll say this to kind of wrap this up.
[17:48] Speaker 1: Is that like, like when I hear, you know, just
[17:51] Speaker 1: by talking to folks that are sort of in that
[17:53] Speaker 1: in more your arena and such, when I hear that
[17:56] Speaker 1: some high stakes players are like listening to my podcast
[17:59] Speaker 1: or something like that, there is no greater feeling for
[18:01] Speaker 1: me than, i would love to be the show that
[18:04] Speaker 1: and uh someone like that's listening to or or you
[18:06] Speaker 1: know a show that analysts are listening to because they
[18:09] Speaker 1: care about that like that is there's no better like
[18:11] Speaker 1: i mean there's no better feeling and there's no better
[18:13] Speaker 1: honor than that as as an analyst doing this kind
[18:15] Speaker 1: of stuff so like yeah as the years have gone
[18:18] Speaker 1: on i just think it's cool that you know the
[18:19] Speaker 1: two worlds have merged more and more but like i
[18:22] Speaker 1: said you've been talking to these people for for years
[18:24] Speaker 1: now i say these people uh like like they're you
[18:27] Speaker 1: know like like cavemen that that no one knows who
[18:30] Speaker 1: they are.
[18:30] Speaker 4: And cave women and cave.
[18:32] Speaker 1: Women yes yes of course um what do you think
[18:35] Speaker 1: though like with the with these high stakes players what
[18:37] Speaker 1: do you think is one thing that separates them as
[18:39] Speaker 1: fantasy managers as players compared to the average fantasy manager.
[18:43] Speaker 3: So there is a certain sect of like, okay, when
[18:46] Speaker 3: you think about high stakes fantasy football players, there's a
[18:48] Speaker 3: lot of people that believe that these are just people
[18:51] Speaker 3: with way too much money and, and just, just want
[18:54] Speaker 3: the action.
[18:55] Speaker 4: And you know what?
[18:55] Speaker 3: That's probably the case with, with a certain section of,
[18:58] Speaker 3: that's probably the case of a certain section of everything, right? There's,
[19:01] Speaker 3: there's just, there's, there's, there's a certain amount of people
[19:03] Speaker 3: that have, they don't know what to do with all
[19:05] Speaker 3: this money.
[19:05] Speaker 4: And, and, you know, this is an outlet for them.
[19:08] Speaker 3: I do think that the majority of the people who
[19:12] Speaker 3: play in our FFPC main event, which again is like
[19:15] Speaker 3: a $ 2, 000 buy-in, I think the majority of them, it's
[19:19] Speaker 3: still a really significant amount of money. And when you
[19:23] Speaker 3: are investing that of your own money, where if you
[19:25] Speaker 3: don't win, you're out that cash, you see a real
[19:29] Speaker 3: dedication to being up on waivers. making sure that you're
[19:33] Speaker 3: getting the most recent possible information before you hit your lineups,
[19:38] Speaker 3: looking weeks ahead on the schedule to make sure that
[19:41] Speaker 3: you're getting your roster in a position to not only
[19:44] Speaker 3: win this week, but when next week and the week
[19:46] Speaker 3: down the road. So I I think that the casual
[19:49] Speaker 3: player and like, I don't know if you've experienced this JJ,
[19:51] Speaker 3: but like, there's been plenty of times, you know, like
[19:54] Speaker 3: I play in probably like 40 or 50 leagues. Right.
[19:56] Speaker 3: there's times when I don't want to submit waivers and
[19:58] Speaker 3: I don't want to, I don't want to do any
[20:00] Speaker 3: of this. And I just want to check out and
[20:01] Speaker 3: watch a movie or watch a television show. I think
[20:04] Speaker 3: there's a lot of these high stakes players. That's not
[20:06] Speaker 3: how it operates. Like it is football is life for them.
[20:09] Speaker 3: Fantasy football is life for them. And I think the, the,
[20:12] Speaker 3: the dedication, the time commitment, the attention to detail, I
[20:16] Speaker 3: think that's what.
[20:17] Speaker 4: Separates, you know, the, the, you know, the, if high.
[20:22] Speaker 3: Players, that's what separates them from the other 99, uh,
[20:26] Speaker 3: the people who will casually play, the people will get
[20:29] Speaker 3: into it, um, you know, and really, really prep for
[20:32] Speaker 3: their draft. And then they start off one in three.
[20:34] Speaker 3: And instead of like hunkering down and trying to dig
[20:36] Speaker 3: themselves out, they just kind of like, they're waiting for, for, for,
[20:39] Speaker 3: you know, fantasy basketball or, or playoff, you know, fantasy
[20:43] Speaker 3: football stuff. So I think just, it's just, it's I
[20:45] Speaker 3: think there is a there is a work ethic that
[20:48] Speaker 3: that comes with a lot of these, not everybody, but
[20:51] Speaker 3: with a lot of these high stakes players. And I
[20:52] Speaker 3: think that's what sort of separates them from from everybody else.
[20:55] Speaker 1: That's a really good point that I didn't even really
[20:57] Speaker 1: consider as much. I think that what you brought up
[21:00] Speaker 1: about the thinking ahead stuff, you know, like there are many,
[21:03] Speaker 1: many leagues where on FFPC in particular, right, where I'm
[21:07] Speaker 1: looking at waivers each week.
[21:09] Speaker 2: And I'm trying to do that as best as I can.
[21:12] Speaker 2: And then I see a move happen. And I'm like, wait.
[21:14] Speaker 1: And then I look and I'm like, oh, they're literally
[21:16] Speaker 1: like two weeks ahead right now. They're picking up this
[21:19] Speaker 1: defense for this particular... They're thinking through that roster. And
[21:22] Speaker 1: like you said, it's really difficult to do that when
[21:25] Speaker 1: you do have a lot of teams because you have
[21:27] Speaker 1: to think deeply about each one of those teams as
[21:29] Speaker 1: you're managing them. But I have noticed that, especially on FFPC,
[21:33] Speaker 1: where it's going to be... You will find some tough competition,
[21:36] Speaker 1: but you're going to also... You're going to feel better
[21:39] Speaker 1: about those wins when you get them, and you're going
[21:41] Speaker 1: to be able to really see how you stack up
[21:44] Speaker 1: against the top players. There's a lot of content creators
[21:47] Speaker 1: that are out there that are bragging about the leagues
[21:50] Speaker 1: that they're winning and et cetera, et cetera.
[21:52] Speaker 2: And I do think that if you're in that position
[21:55] Speaker 2: where you keep.
[21:56] Speaker 1: Winning and you're doing really well in your home leagues
[21:58] Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I think it's a good idea
[22:00] Speaker 1: to try out a platform like FFPC for that reason.
[22:03] Speaker 3: And I'll say this too, like Alex Kaganovsky, our co-founder,
[22:07] Speaker 3: he always says too, and I think this is totally
[22:09] Speaker 3: appropriate and accurate, that the step from your home league,
[22:14] Speaker 3: your office league, what have you, wherever your buddies league,
[22:17] Speaker 3: to playing in the ffpc it's not really that big
[22:20] Speaker 3: of a leap i mean it is it is it
[22:21] Speaker 3: is a pretty small step and we've had people plenty
[22:25] Speaker 3: of times that come in and crush it right away
[22:28] Speaker 3: now there's i think definitely the majority of people will
[22:31] Speaker 3: come in in their first year in the ffpc and
[22:33] Speaker 3: i've had so many people come on the show yeah
[22:34] Speaker 3: i got my rear end kicked that first year i
[22:36] Speaker 3: didn't know what was going on but then the year
[22:38] Speaker 3: two it seems like you're kind of used to it
[22:40] Speaker 3: there's no intimidation 100% You've done it before. And, and we,
[22:43] Speaker 3: and I've seen those players go on to win four
[22:45] Speaker 3: or five, six, seven figure grand prizes, you know?
[22:48] Speaker 4: So it, it, it can happen. I mean, I think
[22:52] Speaker 4: it's like, what's the, what's the phrase?
[22:53] Speaker 3: Once you're thinking about being retired, you're already retired. I
[22:56] Speaker 3: think once you're thinking about playing an FFPC, you should
[22:59] Speaker 3: just play because I.
[23:00] Speaker 1: Think you'll be pleased at what happens. Yeah, 100%. Another
[23:03] Speaker 1: question I have for you is that do you think,
[23:05] Speaker 1: because I feel like you're in this unique position because
[23:08] Speaker 1: you're talking to players just as frequently as other analysts
[23:13] Speaker 1: and such. It's not just the people who are putting
[23:16] Speaker 1: together video content and podcasts and stuff like that. You're
[23:20] Speaker 1: digging into and having conversations with people who are just
[23:22] Speaker 1: playing and that they're very passionate about this and they
[23:25] Speaker 1: can share their thoughts, etc.
[23:26] Speaker 4: etc.
[23:27] Speaker 1: And so I think that that's a really unique angle
[23:29] Speaker 1: to pick your brain from. And so do you think
[23:32] Speaker 1: after having conversations with these folks, like there's so much
[23:35] Speaker 1: information out there right now, I say this in my
[23:39] Speaker 1: draft guide every year. My home league, my main home
[23:42] Speaker 1: league that's been around since the early 2000s, 2001 or 2002.
[23:47] Speaker 2: My dad's in it. My dad's in his late 70s.
[23:50] Speaker 1: He doesn't follow football nearly as closely as I do.
[23:54] Speaker 2: But he can Google things.
[23:57] Speaker 1: He can talk to AI and ask who the best
[24:01] Speaker 1: sleepers are this year. And then I can come together
[24:03] Speaker 1: and give him some list that he can go to
[24:05] Speaker 1: the auction draft and try to you know, draft those players.
[24:09] Speaker 1: Do you think that the edge for, you know, that,
[24:12] Speaker 1: that these best players you've talked to that they've had
[24:15] Speaker 1: in the past has been shrinking because of the readily
[24:17] Speaker 1: available information that's out there? 150,000%.
[24:19] Speaker 3: Um, the, the, the edge, the edge still exists, but
[24:25] Speaker 3: it is much more difficult to find.
[24:26] Speaker 4: You know, you think about, you talked about your league
[24:28] Speaker 4: that you've.
[24:29] Speaker 3: Been playing in with your buddy since the early 2000s.
[24:31] Speaker 3: Think about what it was like getting information back then
[24:34] Speaker 3: for submitting lineups or submitting waivers or whatever, compared to
[24:37] Speaker 3: now where you just go on your phone, you type
[24:40] Speaker 3: in a player's name onto your X app, and boom,
[24:43] Speaker 3: you have the latest information like that. So I think
[24:46] Speaker 3: it's made finding information completely easier. I think it's been
[24:51] Speaker 3: a godsend, and people who are trying to get out
[24:54] Speaker 3: information to a mass amount of people fast. It's been
[24:57] Speaker 3: easier to do it via X and social media and
[25:00] Speaker 3: podcasts and everything like that.
[25:03] Speaker 4: I still think there's an edge.
[25:05] Speaker 3: I think that some of our best players, I don't
[25:07] Speaker 3: know how they do it, but as far as the
[25:11] Speaker 3: players that they draft... um, each and every year that, that,
[25:15] Speaker 3: that they, they always seem to find that mid round
[25:17] Speaker 3: guy that, and some of that's volume drafting too. I mean,
[25:20] Speaker 3: obviously if you draft in a bunch of leagues, you're
[25:21] Speaker 3: going to hit on some sleepers here and there.
[25:24] Speaker 4: So I still think an edge exists.
[25:26] Speaker 3: Um, but man, you really got to scratch and claw
[25:28] Speaker 3: for it because everybody else's perfect example is this. So I,
[25:33] Speaker 3: I can't play an FFPC because I'm an employee. However,
[25:36] Speaker 3: I can play in the Kentucky fantasy football state championship, KFFSC,
[25:39] Speaker 3: which which my Friday night cohost, Farrell Elliott, who hosts
[25:42] Speaker 3: the pros versus Joes with me, he runs that.
[25:44] Speaker 4: So I have a bunch of leagues there.
[25:45] Speaker 3: I remember back in the day when I go to
[25:47] Speaker 3: this live event in Louisville and like, you'd have these.
[25:50] Speaker 4: People come out of the woodwork on Sunday.
[25:53] Speaker 3: And with, with, you know, with apologies to anybody who
[25:55] Speaker 3: has a magazine, there's a lot of good magazines out there,
[25:57] Speaker 3: but they roll up with magazines and they're, and they're
[26:00] Speaker 3: drafting from that.
[26:01] Speaker 4: And, and they're picking guys.
[26:02] Speaker 3: That tore their ACLs, you know, picking guys that, that,
[26:05] Speaker 3: you know, just way, you know, eight rounds too early.
[26:08] Speaker 4: And it was a feast. Like you would just, you
[26:10] Speaker 4: would feast on these.
[26:11] Speaker 3: It was always Sunday, like Friday and Saturday. It was
[26:12] Speaker 3: pretty sharp, but Sunday you could always, could always feast
[26:15] Speaker 3: on these other, you know, newbie drafters that are just
[26:17] Speaker 3: coming in. That's not the case anymore. And it hasn't
[26:19] Speaker 3: been the case for like 10 years. Like everybody who
[26:22] Speaker 3: is playing is, in high stakes fantasy football. I think
[26:25] Speaker 3: everybody who's playing in, even in casual leagues, it is
[26:29] Speaker 3: so easy to find information that you really, if you
[26:32] Speaker 3: want an edge, if you want an information edge, good luck.
[26:35] Speaker 4: I mean, it exists out there. I haven't found it.
[26:37] Speaker 3: Like I know it's out there cause I know people
[26:38] Speaker 3: are exploiting it, but it is so difficult to find nowadays.
[26:42] Speaker 3: But the other 99% of the information, 95% of the information,
[26:46] Speaker 3: it's so easy to find right now.
[26:47] Speaker 4: And it's really leveled the playing field quite a bit.
[26:50] Speaker 2: So I talked to fabs about this last week.
[26:52] Speaker 1: I think it's, it's, it's very much related to, to this,
[26:56] Speaker 1: where there was something that was posed. I think crack
[26:58] Speaker 1: rock might've been the one that, that posted on Twitter.
[27:01] Speaker 3: Another, another former guest of the high stakes fantasy football.
[27:04] Speaker 3: And that guy's a riot. So, so JJ, you ever,
[27:08] Speaker 3: have you ever heard the term crank and purple?
[27:10] Speaker 2: I don't think so.
[27:11] Speaker 4: Okay crank and purple.
[27:13] Speaker 3: Is something it's so so the ffpc draft boards are
[27:16] Speaker 3: all color-coded where you know running back yeah yeah yeah
[27:19] Speaker 3: so crack rock was the guy who i believe it
[27:21] Speaker 3: was crack rock coined the phrase crank and purple when
[27:24] Speaker 3: he would he would draft a bunch of tight ends
[27:26] Speaker 3: early right crank and purple used to mean three tight
[27:30] Speaker 3: ends to start off the draft because the tight ends
[27:32] Speaker 3: are all purple now i found out from darren armani
[27:34] Speaker 3: from fantasy mojo three tight ends to start off your
[27:37] Speaker 3: ffpc draft is known as the purple sasquatch So there's
[27:40] Speaker 3: all these different terms out.
[27:42] Speaker 4: There right now, but crack rock coin crank and purple.
[27:44] Speaker 2: That's very funny.
[27:45] Speaker 4: And that was a trending hashtag for a while because
[27:47] Speaker 4: they had any, that's hilarious.
[27:49] Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, so like, like I think he was
[27:51] Speaker 1: the one who originally posted on Twitter, but it was
[27:52] Speaker 1: something along the lines of, I at least saw him
[27:54] Speaker 1: in like in a thread about it.
[27:55] Speaker 4: Right.
[27:56] Speaker 1: But it was something along the lines of if you
[27:58] Speaker 1: didn't pay attention to anything in the pre in like August.
[28:01] Speaker 2: That was, that was news item related, right?
[28:04] Speaker 1: Like, I guess I should say like news items, like
[28:07] Speaker 1: injuries and stuff would be one thing, but I mean
[28:09] Speaker 1: more of like hype train type stuff, right?
[28:11] Speaker 2: Would you be better off not listening to that than
[28:13] Speaker 2: listening to that?
[28:14] Speaker 1: And the more that I've thought about it, the more
[28:17] Speaker 1: I do think at this point, probably if you're doing
[28:21] Speaker 1: the research, probably if you're ignoring that stuff, it's, it's likely,
[28:24] Speaker 1: you know, a better idea to, to not be consuming
[28:28] Speaker 1: a whole bunch of, you know, beat writer reports and
[28:30] Speaker 1: stuff like that.
[28:31] Speaker 2: I think if you've been doing this for a long time,
[28:33] Speaker 2: you kind.
[28:33] Speaker 1: Of know which beat reporters kind of know what they're
[28:35] Speaker 1: doing and which ones are a little bit just like
[28:38] Speaker 1: throwing stuff at a wall. But like, I think that
[28:40] Speaker 1: part of like, And it's really hard to do this because, again,
[28:46] Speaker 1: going back to we're human and we're going to have
[28:48] Speaker 1: biases and it's just hard for a lot of people
[28:51] Speaker 1: to think this way. This is where I think some players,
[28:55] Speaker 1: whether they're analysts or not, whether in best ball, whether
[28:59] Speaker 1: in these high stakes leagues on FFPC, they're very good
[29:03] Speaker 1: at tuning out what these hype trains end up being
[29:07] Speaker 1: for the most part, especially when there's not as much
[29:10] Speaker 1: substance to it. Cause there's a lot of times where
[29:12] Speaker 1: I don't want to say I fall victim to the
[29:14] Speaker 1: hype train, but even when I do some research, I'm
[29:17] Speaker 1: still like, like like like if i go in with
[29:20] Speaker 1: a preconceived notion that a player is really really good
[29:23] Speaker 1: or like is is is being hyped right as being
[29:26] Speaker 1: really good and then i find data that maybe suggests
[29:29] Speaker 1: that this player is a little bit overrated it's very
[29:32] Speaker 1: hard and i try my best but i'm just trying
[29:35] Speaker 1: to be you know honest here it's very hard to
[29:38] Speaker 1: then say i'm gonna go against 99% of people right
[29:41] Speaker 1: now and say that this data point or these, you know,
[29:45] Speaker 1: all of this data suggested this player isn't nearly as
[29:48] Speaker 1: good as what is being.
[29:49] Speaker 2: Hyped out there.
[29:50] Speaker 1: I'll bring it down a little bit, but it's, it's not,
[29:52] Speaker 1: you know, every year I look back, I'm like, why
[29:54] Speaker 1: did I do that?
[29:55] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[29:55] Speaker 1: And so, I think for me, what I'm getting at
[29:58] Speaker 1: here is that I have started to lean into the
[30:02] Speaker 1: idea of essentially just doing the opposite of what the
[30:05] Speaker 1: market sentiment is saying. I did that actually with Malik Neighbors,
[30:10] Speaker 1: for instance, when Jackson Dart went down, right?
[30:12] Speaker 2: Where I had a take where... And then I.
[30:14] Speaker 1: Again, after that first week where Jameis and Malik had
[30:17] Speaker 1: a horrible game against Tennessee, I think it was in
[30:20] Speaker 1: the rain, I brought that back a little bit, and
[30:23] Speaker 1: I wish I never did because then obviously the last
[30:25] Speaker 1: two weeks have gone the way that they've gone. But regardless,
[30:29] Speaker 1: it's very easy to log on to Twitter and just
[30:31] Speaker 1: see everyone saying Malik Neighbors is dust. And if you
[30:35] Speaker 1: just keep reading that, you're just reinforced by this idea that, oh,
[30:38] Speaker 1: I must be the problem and that I'm seeing it
[30:40] Speaker 1: this way, but it's actually... This other way, because so
[30:44] Speaker 1: many other people are seeing it that way. So I
[30:46] Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is, like, do you think there's
[30:47] Speaker 1: validity to the idea of just saying, like, what if
[30:51] Speaker 1: the edge that we can have is actually just going
[30:54] Speaker 1: against market sentiment and not leaning into this?
[30:57] Speaker 3: This could be like a three-hour show. In the future, JJ,
[31:03] Speaker 3: plan this for something in the offseason, in the drafting season,
[31:06] Speaker 3: and just delve into this.
[31:10] Speaker 4: There's so much to unpack.
[31:11] Speaker 3: To answer the question, blanket yes or no, is there
[31:15] Speaker 3: validity to it?
[31:16] Speaker 4: Obviously, yes.
[31:17] Speaker 3: There is definitely validity to it. Is it something I
[31:20] Speaker 3: would want to subscribe to completely? Absolutely not.
[31:23] Speaker 4: Right.
[31:24] Speaker 3: I think that, you know, you think over the years,
[31:27] Speaker 3: you know, think about throw injuries out.
[31:29] Speaker 4: Right. Like you said, it's talking about hype trains.
[31:31] Speaker 3: You know, there there is an Arian Foster hype train
[31:34] Speaker 3: that if you would have ignored that, you probably cost
[31:37] Speaker 3: you leagues when you could have gotten that dude in
[31:39] Speaker 3: like the sixth or seventh round. And he went on
[31:41] Speaker 3: to be fantasy running back one that year. You hurt
[31:44] Speaker 3: yourself if you ignored that. More recently, Puka Nakua, I think,
[31:47] Speaker 3: is a perfect example. His rookie year where there is
[31:52] Speaker 3: definitely a section of people that the truthers that were
[31:57] Speaker 3: saying like, look, I'm telling you right now, this guy's
[31:59] Speaker 3: going to crush it.
[32:00] Speaker 4: And most people ignored that. And then what happened? He
[32:02] Speaker 4: crushed it and he was awesome.
[32:04] Speaker 3: James Robinson is another example, the free agent running back
[32:07] Speaker 3: from Jacksonville. I think if you look back, you know,
[32:10] Speaker 3: when people talk about what does preseason matter, remember Victor
[32:13] Speaker 3: Cruz that one year where he was just crushing it
[32:15] Speaker 3: in preseason. And so many people are like, I'm not
[32:17] Speaker 3: buying into that hype train. Like it's, it's, it's obviously
[32:20] Speaker 3: going to end when regular season starts.
[32:22] Speaker 4: And you know what? It took a knee injury to
[32:23] Speaker 4: really end it. And that was years later for Victor Cruz.
[32:26] Speaker 3: So you do end up, if you blanket cut all
[32:29] Speaker 3: that out, then yes, you will end up missing out
[32:31] Speaker 3: on stuff.
[32:31] Speaker 4: Now flip side of that, I think it's important.
[32:35] Speaker 3: NFL teams are not under any obligation to put out
[32:38] Speaker 3: certain information, most injury information, in the offseason.
[32:42] Speaker 4: And when do we crave football the most, JJ? It's
[32:45] Speaker 4: in the offseason. It's when we can't watch it.
[32:49] Speaker 3: And as a result, I think it's just natural for
[32:51] Speaker 3: us to overrate every single thing that We see in
[32:55] Speaker 3: the news some stuff that wouldn't even qualify as news
[32:58] Speaker 3: in October or November. But we're spending an hour talking
[33:02] Speaker 3: about it on a show, just that topic in June
[33:07] Speaker 3: or whatever. So I think that goes into it as well.
[33:10] Speaker 3: It's a fine line. I mean, you kind of... You
[33:13] Speaker 3: cannot totally ignore it. You cannot totally embrace it. You
[33:17] Speaker 3: have to, you have to kind of, and it just
[33:20] Speaker 3: comes with experience, right? I mean, you, I'm sure you
[33:23] Speaker 3: over the years have learned, like you can sniff out when,
[33:27] Speaker 3: when something has got, you know what, this isn't real.
[33:29] Speaker 2: This is big.
[33:29] Speaker 3: Yeah. And you're never going to be 100% right. That's
[33:34] Speaker 3: just the way it is. But I think with experience
[33:37] Speaker 3: and especially dealing with coaches and beat writers, just more reps,
[33:42] Speaker 3: I think, gives us– it just makes us better fantasy players.
[33:45] Speaker 3: And there's no replication for that. You can't just all
[33:48] Speaker 3: of a sudden advance. It just– It comes with time.
[33:51] Speaker 3: And I think over time, our educated guesses become more educated,
[33:55] Speaker 3: but they're still just that.
[33:56] Speaker 4: They're still just guesses.
[33:58] Speaker 3: And so to buy into the hype train in preseason
[34:03] Speaker 3: is sometimes good.
[34:03] Speaker 4: Sometimes it can be very bad as well.
[34:07] Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of confirmation bias, as you're noting,
[34:09] Speaker 2: that goes on with this, right? Like, if you.
[34:12] Speaker 1: I also think like there's... I try to obviously marry
[34:16] Speaker 1: my analysis with what the hype trains are, you know? Like,
[34:20] Speaker 1: for instance, like I... You know, I could sit here
[34:23] Speaker 1: and talk about Parker Washington because I liked Parker Washington
[34:25] Speaker 1: this year. And then obviously he's doing what he's doing.
[34:27] Speaker 1: And there was a hype train with him. But I
[34:29] Speaker 1: want to go in the opposite direction and say, like,
[34:31] Speaker 1: we don't I mean, I guess we don't know what
[34:32] Speaker 1: the result is going to be.
[34:33] Speaker 2: But I liked Luther Burden this year.
[34:34] Speaker 3: Right.
[34:35] Speaker 2: So I go into the season. He's getting some hype.
[34:37] Speaker 1: I still think that people are kind of overstating what
[34:39] Speaker 1: the true hype was for Burden, because it's not like
[34:42] Speaker 1: he got into like mid round three or anything like
[34:46] Speaker 1: that in most drafts. You know, you're still like a
[34:48] Speaker 1: four or five turn for a lot of drafts and
[34:50] Speaker 1: stuff like that. But regardless of all of that, regardless
[34:53] Speaker 1: of those semantics, the Luther Burden stuff, the stuff that
[34:57] Speaker 1: drives me nuts more is that some people are buying
[35:00] Speaker 1: into the hype train simply because of previous season yards
[35:05] Speaker 1: per outrun or the fit with Ben Johnson only. But
[35:10] Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and I'm like, no, I actually loved
[35:13] Speaker 1: this dude as a prospect. I thought that there was
[35:15] Speaker 1: so much juice to his game there. coming out of
[35:18] Speaker 1: school and then everything since then has only confirmed that
[35:22] Speaker 1: for me and when i go down through my like
[35:24] Speaker 1: from a process standpoint and things just keep getting confirmed
[35:27] Speaker 1: and yes it's not been three years yet it's only
[35:29] Speaker 1: been a year and change for for burden in the
[35:31] Speaker 1: nfl that's when i'm like yeah i'll lean into this
[35:34] Speaker 1: a little bit of course i understand that it could
[35:35] Speaker 1: go south you know this is why he's a fourth
[35:38] Speaker 1: rounder or fifth rounder in some leagues like that's fine
[35:40] Speaker 1: but you know you're weighing that cost benefit another really
[35:43] Speaker 1: good example of this is like jayden blue last year
[35:46] Speaker 1: right and i liked jayden blue as a prospect but
[35:49] Speaker 1: a lot of people were liking him and he got
[35:51] Speaker 1: the hype train going because he was fast and uh
[35:55] Speaker 1: he was playing for the cowboys and there was an
[35:57] Speaker 1: opening in that backfield right my i think my job
[36:00] Speaker 1: and duty as an analyst is to kind of dissect
[36:02] Speaker 1: those situations and explain why i would be in or
[36:06] Speaker 1: out on a certain player you know like that is
[36:08] Speaker 1: getting hyped or who's not whatever the case may be
[36:10] Speaker 1: like And I think that one of the problems is
[36:13] Speaker 1: that when we then finish a season and we look
[36:15] Speaker 1: back on that season and we say, oh, you fell
[36:19] Speaker 1: victim or I, JJ, fell victim to some hype train,
[36:22] Speaker 1: it's very important to go and look at what was
[36:24] Speaker 1: your process when doing that and was there a backbone
[36:27] Speaker 1: to what you were doing when you decided to make
[36:30] Speaker 1: that choice?
[36:30] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[36:32] Speaker 1: And even Jalen Waddle this year, who's going to play tonight,
[36:35] Speaker 1: we're recording this before Thursday, so this is not a
[36:37] Speaker 1: take on.
[36:38] Speaker 2: what's going to happen tonight obviously he's been a bust thus.
[36:40] Speaker 1: Far but i think there's enough data and evidence and
[36:43] Speaker 1: stuff to like i'm not really that mad about the
[36:45] Speaker 1: process of being like into jaylen waddle this year you
[36:48] Speaker 1: know and like i don't want a result like i
[36:51] Speaker 1: did not expect the broncos to be a bottom five
[36:53] Speaker 1: offense you know like i i didn't expect them to
[36:55] Speaker 1: be this bad offensively that was the problem you know
[36:57] Speaker 1: i don't know if it was a waddle problem per
[36:59] Speaker 1: se And so there's that kind of stuff where there's
[37:01] Speaker 1: so much nuance when we go back and we look
[37:04] Speaker 1: at who was hyped, what was hyped, why they were
[37:06] Speaker 1: hyped and all that kind of stuff. I think it's
[37:08] Speaker 1: important to just make sure that like what you're doing
[37:10] Speaker 1: is logical and reasonable when you make that choice. And
[37:12] Speaker 1: then you can't be that mad if you missed out
[37:14] Speaker 1: on that, you know, whether good or bad, if that
[37:17] Speaker 1: choice was logical when.
[37:18] Speaker 4: You made it.
[37:18] Speaker 3: I think the other thing to keep in mind, and
[37:20] Speaker 3: these are all great points too, I think the other
[37:22] Speaker 3: thing to keep in mind if you want to keep
[37:24] Speaker 3: it simple, because obviously a person like you who does
[37:28] Speaker 3: this for a living that spends so much of his
[37:31] Speaker 3: life with your prospect model, with all your models really,
[37:34] Speaker 3: with everything that you and Brandon and David, everybody at
[37:38] Speaker 3: Late Round is doing, you have the luxury, not that
[37:40] Speaker 3: it's a luxury, it can be a burden at some point,
[37:42] Speaker 3: but you have the luxury of sitting down and really
[37:45] Speaker 3: taking the time to crunch all this stuff down and
[37:47] Speaker 3: trusting your process and then testing that process and then
[37:50] Speaker 3: enhancing and improving that process. There are so many casual
[37:54] Speaker 3: players out there, myself included, that don't have the time.
[37:58] Speaker 4: To do that.
[37:58] Speaker 3: And I think one of the things when we see
[38:01] Speaker 3: these hype trains build in the preseason and in drafting
[38:06] Speaker 3: season is just ask yourself one question. And it's not
[38:10] Speaker 3: a perfect substitute, but it is a significant substitute for
[38:13] Speaker 3: everything that you're doing. Just ask yourself, well, what happened?
[38:17] Speaker 3: What happened to create this hype? Did something happen? Was
[38:22] Speaker 3: this created by a bunch of people talking about this
[38:25] Speaker 3: guy on X? Or was there something definitive that just
[38:29] Speaker 3: happened in training camp, preseason, a situation or whatever? And oftentimes,
[38:34] Speaker 3: if you answer the question, we're like, what? I'm not
[38:37] Speaker 3: sure what happened. All of a sudden, then I think
[38:39] Speaker 3: that's kind of a hype train that you can ignore.
[38:42] Speaker 3: Once you have your process of whatever it is, everybody's
[38:47] Speaker 3: got their own thing. High stakes players, content creators, everybody's
[38:50] Speaker 3: got their own thing. But once you have that, I
[38:53] Speaker 3: think as long as you're constantly working to improve it,
[38:56] Speaker 3: then if you're wrong on something, you're wrong on something.
[39:00] Speaker 4: And I meant to bring this up. This is a
[39:02] Speaker 4: good time to bring this up.
[39:03] Speaker 3: One of the things that I think you do so well,
[39:05] Speaker 3: and Ben Gretsch is another person that really embodies this,
[39:08] Speaker 3: and there's others out there too, but you two are
[39:10] Speaker 3: the first people I think of about this. I think
[39:12] Speaker 3: of like sort of like the new modern fantasy analyst
[39:17] Speaker 3: that is just like, you know, going for clicks and
[39:19] Speaker 3: quick quips on, on X or whatever, like X is,
[39:22] Speaker 3: you know, this guy's the next Amon Roth St.
[39:24] Speaker 4: Brown with not a whole lot of process behind that,
[39:27] Speaker 4: you know?
[39:28] Speaker 3: And even if there was like, that's an awfully specific
[39:31] Speaker 3: thing to say what you, what you and Gretch do. And,
[39:34] Speaker 3: and all the time to the point where, where like, I, it's,
[39:38] Speaker 3: it blows me away that people aren't bludgeoned over the
[39:41] Speaker 3: head with this is you're always talking about range of outcomes.
[39:44] Speaker 3: You guys are always like, yes, we're, I like this guy.
[39:48] Speaker 3: Could he fall flat on his face?
[39:50] Speaker 4: Absolutely. Could he be an MVP? Absolutely.
[39:53] Speaker 3: So you're talking about range of outcomes when it comes
[39:56] Speaker 3: to be this stuff. And I just think that the
[39:58] Speaker 3: more that, with apologies to anybody who's watching this who
[40:01] Speaker 3: speaks in absolutes, In regards to fantasy or betting or
[40:04] Speaker 3: whatever it is, I tend to kind of ignore that
[40:07] Speaker 3: kind of stuff because it just doesn't give me a
[40:09] Speaker 3: whole lot of faith in your process, number one. And
[40:12] Speaker 3: then number two, what happens when you're wrong? You were
[40:15] Speaker 3: so sure of this, and then you were wrong about that.
[40:17] Speaker 3: Where do you go from there? So I think you
[40:19] Speaker 3: do an excellent job of that, and it's a good
[40:21] Speaker 3: reminder for anybody who is watching you and you and
[40:25] Speaker 3: Ben and whoever. Um, it's, it's a good reminder to,
[40:29] Speaker 3: to know that even if you are a great fantasy player,
[40:32] Speaker 3: you're probably still getting it wrong at least 35%, 40%
[40:35] Speaker 3: of the time.
[40:36] Speaker 4: And there's no shame in that.
[40:37] Speaker 3: All right.
[40:38] Speaker 1: I want to ask you about free agent budgets. This
[40:40] Speaker 1: is something that I honestly, you know, I have a
[40:43] Speaker 1: process for like everything. And I have a, like a, I,
[40:46] Speaker 1: I have like a subconscious process with fab, right?
[40:49] Speaker 2: Like where I.
[40:50] Speaker 1: Kind of know what direction I want to go in
[40:52] Speaker 1: and what, and it's more of an experience thing for me, right?
[40:54] Speaker 1: Where it's just like, I've just been playing this for
[40:56] Speaker 1: so long and I've been doing, you know, going into
[40:58] Speaker 1: waivers for so long. I generally know, you know, what
[41:01] Speaker 1: to usually expect from certain players, whatever. But how do you, like,
[41:06] Speaker 1: what is your process when you're deciding if you're going
[41:08] Speaker 1: to like spend 70% of your fab for a player?
[41:11] Speaker 4: Okay, so just real quick, real quick story.
[41:14] Speaker 3: The KFFSC holds a Super Bowl Sunday drafting weekend where
[41:19] Speaker 3: I draft like 10 teams, not best ball, but like
[41:22] Speaker 3: we're managed leagues out there. And as a result, we
[41:25] Speaker 3: don't always draft the best players. Like this year, for example,
[41:29] Speaker 3: when the first FAB round came in September, we Nobody
[41:33] Speaker 3: drafted Dijon Stribling back in February. Nobody drafted Marshawn Lloyd,
[41:38] Speaker 3: Jacoby Lane. Jacoby Lane, I guess, was about half and half.
[41:42] Speaker 3: But I ended up blowing. I didn't think I'd win
[41:44] Speaker 3: all these players in the majority of those leagues, and
[41:46] Speaker 3: I did. And so I had very little fab left
[41:50] Speaker 3: in those leagues, which has been very challenging running those leagues.
[41:53] Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to me is if you
[41:56] Speaker 3: believe in a guy, go get the guy. I'm a
[42:00] Speaker 3: proponent of spending more earlier in the season than later
[42:05] Speaker 3: in the season.
[42:06] Speaker 4: I don't like saving it.
[42:08] Speaker 3: I just feel like there's been so many times where
[42:10] Speaker 3: it's sort of like ending a salary cap draft where
[42:13] Speaker 3: you have money left on the table. Like, well, why
[42:15] Speaker 3: the heck didn't I go that extra buck on this player?
[42:17] Speaker 3: So I tend to spend early. I tend to spend
[42:20] Speaker 3: a lot early and I'll kind of like, you know,
[42:23] Speaker 3: ration it out after that for injuries and bye weeks and.
[42:27] Speaker 4: So on and so forth. I'll tell you this right now,
[42:29] Speaker 4: David Hubbard.
[42:30] Speaker 3: Who won the 2016 FFPC main event along with Nelson Sousa,
[42:34] Speaker 3: Hubbard owns a ton of teams. And with Steve Yergalos,
[42:39] Speaker 3: the series, those two have sort of partnered up, Steve G,
[42:42] Speaker 3: Fantasy Sopranos, for those people who are watching who know.
[42:45] Speaker 3: And Hubbard told me once that He will try to
[42:51] Speaker 3: spend the majority of his fab in September and October
[42:55] Speaker 3: so he doesn't have a whole lot to mess around
[42:57] Speaker 3: with later on in the season. Because he runs so
[43:00] Speaker 3: many teams, he doesn't want to have to worry about
[43:03] Speaker 3: fab and all the significant difference makers in those leagues.
[43:07] Speaker 4: It's easier to... If he goes in on guys, he
[43:10] Speaker 4: believes in, in September. And quite frankly, that's just good advice.
[43:12] Speaker 3: Like I think that the biggest hits sometime come in September,
[43:16] Speaker 3: you know, right away after week one, after week two,
[43:18] Speaker 3: after week three. So I'm, I'm a big proponent of
[43:21] Speaker 3: spending a lot, spending early and you never know, like,
[43:24] Speaker 3: like I just, I continue to get good buys and
[43:26] Speaker 3: discounts off, you know, as you know, players, I never
[43:29] Speaker 3: would have thought I was going to get where I'm
[43:31] Speaker 3: just bidding like the keep them honest type bids.
[43:33] Speaker 4: And I ended up winning the player. You never know.
[43:35] Speaker 3: There are certain players that just don't like spending at all.
[43:39] Speaker 3: And you can use that to your advantage if you
[43:40] Speaker 3: are out there spending and constantly improving that churn of
[43:44] Speaker 3: those last two or three players on your roster.
[43:47] Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been really toying with
[43:49] Speaker 1: in my brain, at least, I haven't really thrown it
[43:51] Speaker 1: out there as like a take, but like it's sort
[43:53] Speaker 1: of the opposite of a chopped league or a guillotine league,
[43:55] Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, where in a chopped
[43:57] Speaker 1: guillotine league, I tell people to just hold as much
[43:59] Speaker 1: as you possibly can because probabilities on your side to
[44:02] Speaker 1: not spend.
[44:03] Speaker 2: But the difference.
[44:04] Speaker 1: Between that and a regular season long format where there's
[44:08] Speaker 1: 12 teams and is that, you know, that the player
[44:10] Speaker 1: pool is getting better and better every week as teams
[44:12] Speaker 1: get chopped.
[44:13] Speaker 3: Right.
[44:14] Speaker 1: And so you want to play bully later on in
[44:16] Speaker 1: the season because the entire point of that format is
[44:19] Speaker 1: the free agent budget bidding, right? And so the thing
[44:24] Speaker 1: that I toyed with, though, saying that I haven't really
[44:26] Speaker 1: talked through as much is that when you are spending
[44:30] Speaker 1: early in your season, you're, you are getting that player
[44:33] Speaker 1: for the entirety of the season then, as opposed to
[44:36] Speaker 1: waiting and then just getting that player in week 13 onward,
[44:39] Speaker 1: you know, like of course, if Seth McGowan is sitting on,
[44:42] Speaker 1: on waivers right now, right. And Jonathan Taylor goes down
[44:45] Speaker 1: and it's week 11 and Taylor's out for the sea.
[44:48] Speaker 1: Everyone knock on wood right now, but Taylor's, you know,
[44:50] Speaker 1: out for the season. Seth McGowan would be a blow
[44:53] Speaker 1: your fab kind of player, right. Because, you know, he's
[44:56] Speaker 1: more than likely going to take on a pretty big
[44:57] Speaker 1: role in in the Colts offense. But again, you're, you're
[45:00] Speaker 1: getting that, like, it would be great to have all
[45:02] Speaker 1: of your, your cash there. I get it, but you're
[45:04] Speaker 1: also getting that player for only week 12 onward. And
[45:08] Speaker 1: that's not going to be at necessarily as beneficial if
[45:10] Speaker 1: you're like a fringe playoff team or something like that.
[45:12] Speaker 1: And so there is that like nuance of like when
[45:15] Speaker 1: you are getting that player and actually obtaining that player
[45:17] Speaker 1: as well.
[45:18] Speaker 2: To be able to reap the rewards of that player
[45:21] Speaker 2: moving forward versus.
[45:22] Speaker 1: And then not only that, but as the season goes on,
[45:24] Speaker 1: you know, more and more handcuffs end up getting rostered
[45:27] Speaker 1: because we get a better idea of what the landscape
[45:30] Speaker 1: looks like. And we're dropping the ninth and 10th round
[45:34] Speaker 1: players that just didn't work out. You know, that they
[45:36] Speaker 1: were sitting on our roster in September that we're like, yeah,
[45:38] Speaker 1: maybe it's just some variance and they're going to bounce
[45:40] Speaker 1: back in week three or four and then they don't.
[45:42] Speaker 2: And then they're just worthless assets for your team. So
[45:45] Speaker 2: then what do you do?
[45:46] Speaker 1: Well, it's like every week with my rest of season rankings, Eric,
[45:49] Speaker 1: the handcuffs just go higher and higher in my rest
[45:52] Speaker 1: of season rankings because we're learning more information about the
[45:56] Speaker 1: other players that we had hoped for.
[45:58] Speaker 2: But they're not doing anything.
[46:00] Speaker 1: They're clearly going down a path this season where the
[46:03] Speaker 1: hopeful 10th round wide receiver is just not going to
[46:05] Speaker 1: do anything.
[46:06] Speaker 2: I'd rather just have you know, uh, Brian Robinson or whoever, right.
[46:09] Speaker 1: You know, from a rest of season rankings perspective. So
[46:11] Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of that nuance that gets
[46:13] Speaker 1: lost with, with the free agent, uh, bidding, um, that,
[46:16] Speaker 1: that really, I haven't sat down enough to really sit
[46:18] Speaker 1: and like process it out.
[46:20] Speaker 2: That's probably gonna be an off season thing for me though.
[46:22] Speaker 3: I think the other day, just real quick on the,
[46:24] Speaker 3: on the, on the injury way type guys, you know, we,
[46:27] Speaker 3: we have this wide receiver depth and this tight end
[46:29] Speaker 3: depth and this quarterback depth and you know, in like
[46:32] Speaker 3: the high stakes arena, like an FFPC main event, big gorilla,
[46:34] Speaker 3: baby gorilla, whatever. And you need that depth for the
[46:36] Speaker 3: bi-week gauntlet. But once those buys are done and then
[46:39] Speaker 3: you get to the league playoffs and then you get
[46:41] Speaker 3: to the championship round where it's like this three-week sprint,
[46:44] Speaker 3: then you kind of like, I have seen so many
[46:46] Speaker 3: teams with horrible depth win a million bucks or win
[46:50] Speaker 3: 500,000 because they're, number one, they built the team top heavy.
[46:56] Speaker 3: So they can, the lineup sort of sets itself. um,
[47:01] Speaker 3: there's not a whole lot of question of, of, of
[47:04] Speaker 3: getting your start sits wrong because your bench is so bad,
[47:07] Speaker 3: but then you cut all that depth away and then
[47:09] Speaker 3: you load up with all these injury away type running
[47:11] Speaker 3: backs at the end. And then if something happens, Oh
[47:14] Speaker 3: my God, you can go from 300th place up to
[47:17] Speaker 3: first place like that.
[47:18] Speaker 4: With one, you know, with one, one week.
[47:21] Speaker 3: Um, and if you have those guys on your roster too,
[47:24] Speaker 3: and I think like, you know, an FFPC, when you
[47:27] Speaker 3: get to the league playoffs, the four teams that make
[47:29] Speaker 3: your 12 team playoff, they can still bid on players.
[47:32] Speaker 3: And I think there's always like, kind of like a
[47:34] Speaker 3: chase and not a chase. I don't know what the
[47:35] Speaker 3: right term is for it, but a battle to try
[47:37] Speaker 3: to have more money than the other three teams in
[47:40] Speaker 3: the playoffs. So if there's anybody out there, you can
[47:43] Speaker 3: be the bully and pick those guys up, use those
[47:45] Speaker 3: against those guys to, to advance the playoffs.
[47:48] Speaker 4: And then, maybe win a million bucks. So that's, that's
[47:50] Speaker 4: fat dude.
[47:51] Speaker 3: Fab's another thing that, that I think is it's, it's
[47:54] Speaker 3: more art than, than science.
[47:57] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[47:57] Speaker 3: Like maybe there's some science to it that I just
[47:59] Speaker 3: haven't popped onto it yet. I, I just.
[48:01] Speaker 4: Think it's just, it's luck. It's, and, and it's, and
[48:04] Speaker 4: it's experience, you know, just like, yeah.
[48:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten the question like through the years where
[48:08] Speaker 1: they're like, when's the where people are like, when's the
[48:09] Speaker 1: best time to spend? And I've done research to see
[48:12] Speaker 1: like where when league winners pop and.
[48:15] Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
[48:15] Speaker 1: It's really hard to find like a definitive like line
[48:18] Speaker 1: for it. And so the more that I've been toying
[48:21] Speaker 1: with it is more of like thinking about from the
[48:23] Speaker 1: game theory perspective of like, When people are picking up backups,
[48:26] Speaker 1: backup running backs, mostly, cause that's, that's what we're going
[48:28] Speaker 1: to spend the most money on. Or, um, you know, like,
[48:31] Speaker 1: like thinking about having that player, like we said, for
[48:35] Speaker 1: a long period of time, as opposed to week 10
[48:37] Speaker 1: onward or whatever the case may be. So like, it's
[48:39] Speaker 1: more of the game theory stuff and thinking about how,
[48:41] Speaker 1: how managers are managing their rosters throughout the season, as
[48:45] Speaker 1: opposed to when the league winners actually hit, you know,
[48:48] Speaker 1: and when those league winners are, are, you know, whether
[48:51] Speaker 1: it's September, October, November, December, um, i i don't think
[48:54] Speaker 1: there's necessarily a true answer for that but i think
[48:57] Speaker 1: all the other stuff leans into what you were saying
[49:00] Speaker 1: of spending early and doing that because you're getting those
[49:05] Speaker 1: players for a long period of time and then as
[49:07] Speaker 1: the season goes you have more information and when you
[49:09] Speaker 1: have more information you start cutting that cutting that bait
[49:12] Speaker 1: you know you're just getting rid of the guys that
[49:13] Speaker 1: just aren't doing anything on your bench you know.
[49:16] Speaker 3: Absolutely i think that there's no real, I think the
[49:19] Speaker 3: part of the reason that you haven't found, or it's
[49:21] Speaker 3: been real difficult to find out when the league winners
[49:23] Speaker 3: hit league winners hit at different times of the year.
[49:25] Speaker 3: You know, sometimes, sometimes it's a torn ACL in September.
[49:28] Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a quarterback change in November. Like you just,
[49:31] Speaker 3: you never really know. And, and it's, it's all over
[49:34] Speaker 3: the place.
[49:35] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[49:36] Speaker 1: It's early, obviously, but when we look back on this season,
[49:40] Speaker 1: Do you think that we're going to see that a
[49:44] Speaker 1: particular draft strategy won out? Or do you think that
[49:47] Speaker 1: this is going to be one of those seasons where
[49:50] Speaker 1: you could go in a lot of different directions with
[49:52] Speaker 1: what the optimal strategy was this year?
[49:54] Speaker 3: I think the latter it's, it's tough to pick one
[49:57] Speaker 3: right now. I think if there's one strategy, I I'm
[50:00] Speaker 3: sure if they, if you're going to tell me, you know, bulky,
[50:04] Speaker 3: tell me one right now that, that worked out in
[50:06] Speaker 3: 2026 is week six. I think if there's one, I
[50:09] Speaker 3: have to say it's, and I know this is something
[50:11] Speaker 3: that you've kind of gone away from as far as
[50:13] Speaker 3: branding goes, but late round quarterback, I think has, has
[50:17] Speaker 3: been working out this year for a lot of people,
[50:19] Speaker 3: you know, whether it's best ball, whether it's, whether it's redraft.
[50:22] Speaker 3: I mean, if, if you ended up skipping over the
[50:25] Speaker 3: josh allen's the lamar jackson's the the drake may is
[50:28] Speaker 3: another great example if you end up skipping over those
[50:31] Speaker 3: and and then you hit on guys like jordan love
[50:34] Speaker 3: rock purdy um jacoby brissett matthew stafford to a certain
[50:37] Speaker 3: degree kyler murray we'll see what happens there bryce freaking
[50:41] Speaker 3: young for God's sake.
[50:43] Speaker 4: Jared Goff is another one. Absolutely. I think, or Tyler
[50:46] Speaker 4: Shuck is another one.
[50:47] Speaker 3: I think like if you, I mean, you could have
[50:49] Speaker 3: waited and gotten like a, a, a Shuck Bryce young
[50:53] Speaker 3: team and just load it up everywhere else. And you're
[50:55] Speaker 3: probably sitting pretty good right now. Now it's certainly, it
[50:58] Speaker 3: takes a special type of person to do that. And I'm,
[51:00] Speaker 3: I know I'm definitely not one of them, but I
[51:02] Speaker 3: think that that's looking good right now. One of the
[51:04] Speaker 3: things that, that has always been an outlier to me
[51:06] Speaker 3: as far as another strategy goes is is how healthy
[51:09] Speaker 3: these running backs have stayed.
[51:11] Speaker 4: And JJ, I can't, I can't remember if it was
[51:12] Speaker 4: you who was talking about this.
[51:14] Speaker 3: This was like for a few months ago, we talk
[51:15] Speaker 3: about the receiver injuries that have happened, like the soft tissue,
[51:20] Speaker 3: the quads, the hamstrings or whatever. It seems like that's
[51:23] Speaker 3: more prevalent in receivers than we're seeing in running backs.
[51:25] Speaker 3: And I obviously know, Um, Barkley has gone down, um, and,
[51:29] Speaker 3: and we don't know what's going to happen with him. Um,
[51:31] Speaker 3: and HN had the freak ACL, but you look at
[51:34] Speaker 3: all these other guys that were drafted at the top
[51:36] Speaker 3: of the main event in FFPC Gibbs Robinson cook.
[51:39] Speaker 4: I got the list in front of me.
[51:40] Speaker 3: McCaffrey Taylor, Chase Brown, Kenneth Walker Hampton has, has, has underwhelmed,
[51:45] Speaker 3: but it hasn't been because of injury. Um, Derek Henry, I,
[51:48] Speaker 3: you know, all those guys at the top, those first
[51:51] Speaker 3: two rounds, you know, it looks like if you went with, uh,
[51:54] Speaker 3: running back running back to start off you're probably in
[51:56] Speaker 3: a good spot um you brought up and i think
[51:58] Speaker 3: this changed the way i i drafted a little bit
[52:00] Speaker 3: this year but like the death of the wide receiver
[52:03] Speaker 3: too where i put more of an emphasis on getting
[52:05] Speaker 3: these these target earners earlier in the draft and then
[52:09] Speaker 3: as a result you know normally that works you know
[52:11] Speaker 3: for for the zero rb crowd but now the zero
[52:15] Speaker 3: rb um running backs that you're getting in the ninth
[52:17] Speaker 3: and tenth round they get pushed up too I think
[52:20] Speaker 3: that's a combination of things.
[52:21] Speaker 4: I think it's better drafting.
[52:22] Speaker 3: It's more information out there and it's just more experienced
[52:26] Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. So it's been difficult
[52:28] Speaker 3: to pinpoint one. But if I had to pick one
[52:32] Speaker 3: at this point, I think late round quarterback has certainly
[52:34] Speaker 3: been working out for a lot of people so far.
[52:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been.
[52:37] Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, Josh Allen's smashing. He's doing his thing.
[52:40] Speaker 1: He's clearly... If you draft a Josh Allen, you're not sad.
[52:43] Speaker 2: That's for sure.
[52:44] Speaker 4: No. And I think the best part of his schedule
[52:46] Speaker 4: is coming up, too.
[52:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
[52:48] Speaker 4: It's a big Allen blow-up.
[52:49] Speaker 1: What he's doing on the ground right now is one
[52:51] Speaker 1: of the most insane things I've ever seen in fantasy football.
[52:54] Speaker 2: It's crazy.
[52:54] Speaker 1: But with that being said, I think that, yeah, I mean,
[52:57] Speaker 1: there's been... you know we i did an episode on
[53:00] Speaker 1: the late round quarterback like back in july where i
[53:02] Speaker 1: thought it was a really good year for it and
[53:04] Speaker 1: a resurgence for it the funny thing is we're not
[53:06] Speaker 1: even seeing the mobile quarterbacks necessarily be the reason for
[53:10] Speaker 1: that because a lot of them been hurt you know
[53:11] Speaker 1: jayden daniels got hurt lamar jackson got hurt jackson dart's
[53:13] Speaker 1: been hurt uh jalen hurts now is has this blood
[53:16] Speaker 1: clot but he's been banged up a little bit slash
[53:18] Speaker 1: they haven't been that good so he hasn't drake may
[53:20] Speaker 1: hasn't played that well so it's been just this like
[53:24] Speaker 1: There's been a lot of good quarterbacks, like you said,
[53:26] Speaker 1: that have been usable. I think that we're in a
[53:28] Speaker 1: in a very real era of platooning, you know, like
[53:32] Speaker 1: of just a lot of people still have this old
[53:35] Speaker 1: school mentality. I say old school, but I really mean
[53:37] Speaker 1: between like 2014 to 2020, let's say. of only drafting
[53:43] Speaker 1: one quarter. This is less FFPC because it's obviously a
[53:45] Speaker 1: little bit deeper on FFPC. But in a typical league,
[53:49] Speaker 1: they're drafting one quarterback and they're not worrying about getting
[53:52] Speaker 1: a second quarterback. And I remember writing my draft guide
[53:55] Speaker 1: a couple years ago of like, if you just draft
[53:57] Speaker 1: two late round quarterbacks, right? Like two guys that are
[54:00] Speaker 1: late that you feel decent about, maybe one's more of
[54:02] Speaker 1: like a high ceiling, you know, mobile guy. One's just
[54:05] Speaker 1: like a Jared Goff type. You can platoon those guys.
[54:08] Speaker 1: Number one, you'll have a better hit rate than drafting
[54:11] Speaker 1: a middle round quarterback in general, just based on the
[54:13] Speaker 1: historical numbers.
[54:14] Speaker 2: So, cause you're drafting two of them.
[54:16] Speaker 1: But also you can play by matchup at the position
[54:18] Speaker 1: and you can absolutely, like I played, you know, Jordan, I've,
[54:21] Speaker 1: I've teams with Jordan love and Brock Purdy and, And
[54:23] Speaker 1: I just played Jordan Love last week over Purdy. Like
[54:26] Speaker 1: I had him ranked over him, gained, you know, nine
[54:28] Speaker 1: or 10 points or so by doing that.
[54:30] Speaker 2: And you can do that each week. And I think
[54:32] Speaker 2: that's the era that we're in more.
[54:36] Speaker 1: You know, obviously, if you're in a shallow league, you
[54:37] Speaker 1: can get away with only rostering one and using the
[54:40] Speaker 1: waiver wire and streaming and stuff.
[54:41] Speaker 2: Streaming is just more difficult these days.
[54:43] Speaker 1: It's just not as easy to do because the percent
[54:45] Speaker 1: roster number, I think leagues are shifting.
[54:48] Speaker 2: More and more to more of the platoon style and
[54:50] Speaker 2: rostering more than one quarterback.
[54:52] Speaker 3: Even in like the 12 team, 20 round drafts, which
[54:56] Speaker 3: are pretty deep. I was still as of like 2021
[54:59] Speaker 3: or whatever it was, 2020, I was still just drafting
[55:02] Speaker 3: one quarterback and then just, you know, but then I,
[55:05] Speaker 3: it was the year and I can't remember what year
[55:07] Speaker 3: it was, but Stafford got hurt and he was my
[55:10] Speaker 3: only quarterback in like five or six leagues. And I
[55:12] Speaker 3: was scrambling and there just was no quarterbacks there. on
[55:15] Speaker 3: the waiver wire and a take by teams that year.
[55:17] Speaker 3: So now I've made the point of like, you know, always,
[55:20] Speaker 3: even if I draft the quarterback early, I'm taking a
[55:22] Speaker 3: second one just so I'm not left in the lurch.
[55:24] Speaker 3: But then if you're going to employ that strategy, well,
[55:27] Speaker 3: why not pick up two and play matchups? Because if
[55:31] Speaker 3: you pick up two and play matchups with those guys,
[55:34] Speaker 3: chances are you can wait and stack up your other
[55:36] Speaker 3: positions and you're really not hurting anything about the opportunity
[55:39] Speaker 3: costs of drafting, you know, Jackson.
[55:41] Speaker 4: Or May or Burrow or Allen or any of these guys.
[55:44] Speaker 4: Maybe not Alan. He's an alien.
[55:46] Speaker 3: But yeah, but but getting two of these other guys
[55:49] Speaker 3: that you can play matchups with. I just I think
[55:51] Speaker 3: that's that's my preferred way to go. And certainly, you know,
[55:56] Speaker 3: you hit on a bunch of guys that have been
[55:57] Speaker 3: crushing it from the mid rounds and late rounds this
[55:59] Speaker 3: year at quarterback. And people are very happy if they
[56:02] Speaker 3: employed that strategy.
[56:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to ask you a Packers question before
[56:07] Speaker 1: we sort of wrap all this up.
[56:08] Speaker 4: Everyone always does.
[56:09] Speaker 3: Everyone always does.
[56:11] Speaker 1: What's going on with this backfield? Are we going to
[56:13] Speaker 1: see someone emerge? And then I also, like, have you
[56:15] Speaker 1: heard anything? This is like a deep cut. And I
[56:17] Speaker 1: know that maybe this is completely irrelevant for most of
[56:20] Speaker 1: the audience, but I still want to get into it.
[56:23] Speaker 1: I've added Savion Williams in a couple of leagues to
[56:25] Speaker 1: just stash on IR, right?
[56:28] Speaker 2: Like, do you think there's a chance that he ends
[56:30] Speaker 2: up seeing some work?
[56:31] Speaker 1: Because Marshawn Lloyd right now is last in the NFL
[56:33] Speaker 1: in yards after contact per attempt.
[56:35] Speaker 2: I know that he had a decent outing last week.
[56:38] Speaker 1: He'll probably be fine against Dallas because it's Dallas, you know,
[56:40] Speaker 1: but like, like, is something going to happen to this backfield?
[56:43] Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like the Josh Jacobs thing is
[56:44] Speaker 1: going in the wrong direction from him getting in terms
[56:46] Speaker 1: of him getting on the field.
[56:48] Speaker 2: We don't have to dig into that.
[56:49] Speaker 1: But is there anything that we're going to see of
[56:52] Speaker 1: relevance from this backfield at some point?
[56:54] Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things that was not
[56:56] Speaker 3: talked about early on, and now it is, is how
[57:00] Speaker 3: bad the Packers offensive line was. And Green Bay historically
[57:03] Speaker 3: does not make significant in-season changes outside of their roster.
[57:09] Speaker 3: You know, they might bench a guy, bring a guy
[57:11] Speaker 3: up from the practice squad, or maybe give a younger
[57:13] Speaker 3: guy a shot who's already on the active roster. Very
[57:16] Speaker 3: rarely do we see what happened after that Atlanta game.
[57:19] Speaker 3: where Brian Gutekunst went out and got Lake and Tomlinson
[57:22] Speaker 3: and Kevin Zeitler and, and Mackay Becton. Like that was,
[57:26] Speaker 3: that was a pretty significant thing for me to see that. So,
[57:29] Speaker 3: and what did they do with the running back position? Well,
[57:32] Speaker 3: not a whole lot. I mean, they're still giving, they
[57:34] Speaker 3: made the Caleb Johnson trade obviously before the season started,
[57:37] Speaker 3: but I think you can kind of see that, that
[57:39] Speaker 3: he may have run his course in Green Bay with
[57:42] Speaker 3: the action that Pierre Strong got this week over him.
[57:45] Speaker 3: I think Lloyd is who he is at this point.
[57:48] Speaker 3: This is basically his rookie year. I mean, he's had
[57:51] Speaker 3: these nasty injuries and appendectomy, throw that in there, the
[57:55] Speaker 3: last couple of years. So I still don't think we can...
[57:58] Speaker 3: I think this is like him being a rookie. I
[58:00] Speaker 3: think next year we could see a more complete, more
[58:04] Speaker 3: polished player. But as of right now, I don't really
[58:07] Speaker 3: think we're going to see anything more significantly from him.
[58:10] Speaker 3: And if we do, quite frankly, it's probably because the
[58:12] Speaker 3: improved play of the offensive line.
[58:13] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[58:14] Speaker 3: I don't envision anybody stepping up in this backfield.
[58:17] Speaker 2: I don't.
[58:18] Speaker 4: Certainly it's possible. Josh Jacobs comes back this season.
[58:21] Speaker 3: I don't think I think the NFL does not want
[58:23] Speaker 3: a repeat of the Ray Rice situation where they let
[58:27] Speaker 3: this guy come off the exempt list. And then in November,
[58:30] Speaker 3: we see this video and it's really bad, what have you.
[58:32] Speaker 3: Savion Williams is a guy who is on my taxi
[58:36] Speaker 3: squad still in two dynasty leagues, and I'm keeping him there.
[58:41] Speaker 4: We'll see what happens.
[58:42] Speaker 3: I think with players like this, and I don't know
[58:45] Speaker 3: why I'm doing it with Savion Williams because it's not
[58:47] Speaker 3: like I'm very bullish on him. I think he's a
[58:49] Speaker 3: fun player, and certainly when he was healthy last year,
[58:52] Speaker 3: they were using him on special teams.
[58:53] Speaker 4: They used him a little bit on offense.
[58:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
[58:55] Speaker 4: Um, Matt Waldman from.
[58:56] Speaker 3: Football guys, he said this one time and it's always
[58:58] Speaker 3: stuck with me when we talk about these gadget players.
[59:01] Speaker 4: Well, what happens to gadgets?
[59:02] Speaker 3: Sometimes they fall between the couch cushions and you they're
[59:05] Speaker 3: never found again right and and it's kind of true
[59:08] Speaker 3: with williams too like he just might be a gadget
[59:11] Speaker 3: guy that maybe sometimes they they focus in on him
[59:13] Speaker 3: and utilize him but you're never going to know when
[59:15] Speaker 3: that is and and quite frankly as long as i
[59:18] Speaker 3: can keep him on my taxi squad for free and
[59:20] Speaker 3: if you can keep him on your ir for free
[59:22] Speaker 3: right sure.
[59:23] Speaker 4: There's there's something to be.
[59:24] Speaker 3: Said for that But active roster, if I got to
[59:27] Speaker 3: put him in a 20-man roster right now, I'm looking
[59:30] Speaker 3: elsewhere because I don't really think the juice is worth
[59:32] Speaker 3: the squeeze.
[59:33] Speaker 1: I think that you're just hoping and crossing your fingers
[59:36] Speaker 1: that a Cordero Patterson outcome happens. And as we know,
[59:40] Speaker 1: that took like 40 years to happen. He was in
[59:43] Speaker 1: the league for a while before we finally saw. But yeah,
[59:46] Speaker 1: that's the comp, of course. I think it's just interesting.
[59:49] Speaker 1: Like it's, it's one of those things I want to
[59:50] Speaker 1: toss out there on a show so that like, if
[59:54] Speaker 1: you start to see it happen, you're like, Oh yeah,
[59:55] Speaker 1: that if there's one backfield where a random weird thing
[59:59] Speaker 1: could happen, it would probably be backfield.
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: Right.
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: Cause it's just so weak right now.
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: But I also don't think that the coaching staff is
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: one that would get super weird with it. You know,
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: that would like really embrace a Savion Williams as like a,
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: 10 to 12 touch player or something like that.
[1:00:15] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[1:00:16] Speaker 1: So that's, that's more of the downside case. He is
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: a really interesting prospect just from the standpoint of like
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: what he brought to the table as a, as a hybrid,
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: you know, I'm, I'm usually not much of a tweener
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: kind of guy. Like I'm not really into the, into
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: the running back wide receiver hybrid types, but, Um, but
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: when they're free and you can throw them on IR, sure.
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: You know, I'll do that all day.
[1:00:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:00:35] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's what it comes down to
[1:00:37] Speaker 3: that right now. The cost benefit is definitely like you
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: should be doing it.
[1:00:41] Speaker 4: There's nothing. Yeah.
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: There's no reason.
[1:00:43] Speaker 4: Exactly.
[1:00:44] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:00:44] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:00:45] Speaker 3: All right.
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: Before I let you go, give me a bold prediction
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: for week six.
[1:00:50] Speaker 3: And this gets back to what we're talking about with
[1:00:55] Speaker 3: range of outcomes, right? Because I could be very bold
[1:00:58] Speaker 3: and people could call me an idiot and then this
[1:01:01] Speaker 3: could happen.
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: How about this?
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: Since I'm a Packers guy, season ticket holder, love my
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: green and gold. Sunday night football now um we won't
[1:01:10] Speaker 3: get Micah Parsons this was supposed to be the the
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: Micah Parsons revenge game and he's still not ready and
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: I don't know if he's coming back next week and
[1:01:17] Speaker 3: and I I think the latest I read on that
[1:01:19] Speaker 3: was that he is he wants to take a little
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: bit extra time to make sure that his body is
[1:01:23] Speaker 3: balanced and he's not overcompensating for it which is great
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: which makes sense let's go with this a bold prediction
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: Sunday night football Packers, Cowboys, both teams score in the 40s.
[1:01:36] Speaker 3: Jordan Love and Dak Prescott combine for eight touchdown passes, right?
[1:01:42] Speaker 3: Marshawn Lloyd scores three touchdowns this week. One through the air,
[1:01:47] Speaker 3: two on the ground. And we see CeeDee Lamb and
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: George Pickens both have 130-yard games. uh this year at
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: the same time first time we've seen it all season
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: um and i'll say golden this is maybe this isn't
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: even bold anymore but i'll say golden and watson combined
[1:02:05] Speaker 3: for four touchdowns as well so i'm very excited.
[1:02:07] Speaker 5: To see this game oh it should be a good
[1:02:09] Speaker 5: game the fireworks are going to be out this is
[1:02:12] Speaker 5: so and we have been like dude the sunday night
[1:02:15] Speaker 5: and the thursday night and the monday night games this
[1:02:17] Speaker 5: year have been just chef's kiss awesome You can't plan
[1:02:21] Speaker 5: it the way that it's been happening.
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: But I think that the Packers and Cowboys continue that.
[1:02:26] Speaker 3: I don't know who wins, but I know it will
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: be entertaining.
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. Eric, this was great, man. I love
[1:02:31] Speaker 2: talking to you. Love having these conversations. And hopefully people
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: There was some stuff that we were going to get
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: to of certain specific players and stuff. But I think
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: that the process-oriented stuff, the psychological-related stuff and how our
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: brains work while we're managing our teams... It's really, really
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: important and something that's just not talked about enough. So
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Let everyone know where they
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: can find you and what you're doing.
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric Balkman on X. I do, during the season,
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: I do four shows. Tuesday nights at 10 p.m. is
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: the Rotovis High Stakes Lowdown. Wednesday nights at 10 p.m.
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: is the High Stakes Fantasy Football Hour. Thursday nights at
[1:03:06] Speaker 3: 7 p.m. is FFPC Insider Access. Friday nights at 10 p.m.
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: is HSFF Hour Extra Reps. All of those are on
[1:03:14] Speaker 3: the FFPC YouTube X and Facebook pages. And obviously, if
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: you connect with me on X, you're going to see
[1:03:20] Speaker 3: links to all that as well. So, yeah, it's a
[1:03:22] Speaker 3: great time to be a football fan. And it's always
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: good chopping it up with you, JJ. This was a
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: lot of fun. I have a tendency to ramble. Thank
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: you for being forgiving in that regard. But this was awesome, man.
[1:03:34] Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks again for coming on.
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