# Becoming a Best Ball Bro: Zero RB Isn't Dead?

An episode of [The Late-Round Fantasy Football Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1224965828), 17 Jun 2026, 55 min.

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JJ and Rich kick off the show by discussing this week's biggest ADP risers and fallers before JJ sits down with BeatBestBall.com's Liam Murphy. The two chat about this year's best ball meta, building around two quarterbacks instead of three, and much more. ---------- Download the DraftKings Daily Fantasy app and sign up with promo code LATEROUND. Enter a lineup in the $20 million Best Ball contest for $25 and get a bonus ticket for a second entry — two shots at the title. Draft One, Get One, only on DraftKings. The Crown Is Yours. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Help is available for problem gambling. Call (888) 789-7777 or visit ccpg.org (CT). 18+ in most eligible states, but age varies by jurisdiction. Eligibility restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. 1 per customer. Must enter a lineup into the NFL Best Ball $20M Headliner Contest. $25 entry fee. Bonus issued as 1 ticket to NFL Best Ball $20M Headliner Contest. Ticket reward is site credit valid for use only on NFL Best Ball $20M Headliner Contest. Ticket reward is single-use and expires at contest lock on 9/9/26. See terms at https://www.draftkings.com/promotions. Ends 9/9/26 at contest lock. Sponsored by DraftKings. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: Rich. They did it.
[0:03] Speaker 2: The New York Knicks are the champions of the basketball world.
[0:08] Speaker 1: How are you feeling?
[0:08] Speaker 3: Man?
[0:09] Speaker 4: I have cried so many times since Saturday. Whatever the
[0:13] Speaker 4: opposite of doom scrolling is is what I've constantly been
[0:17] Speaker 4: doing on my phone, soaking in every video, every celebration,
[0:24] Speaker 4: every time I see Kat hug Patrick ewing.
[0:27] Speaker 5: I'm starting to like get for clemps now.
[0:29] Speaker 4: But just an incredible feeling that I'm sharing with many
[0:33] Speaker 4: people of my age, especially Mets, Jets Knicks fans, who
[0:39] Speaker 4: to this point in our lives had never experienced a championship.
[0:44] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[0:45] Speaker 2: I just got to say, as someone who's experienced five
[0:48] Speaker 2: championships and his adult life from his city's teams, welcome
[0:52] Speaker 2: to just being.
[0:52] Speaker 1: A normal fan and having a normal team.
[0:55] Speaker 3: I'm JJ and over the last couple of years, I've
[0:57] Speaker 3: been doing everything I can to be a best ball
[1:00] Speaker 3: and last season things finally fell into place.
[1:03] Speaker 1: I got fortieth in the DraftKings.
[1:05] Speaker 3: MILLI Contest, taking home twenty thousand dollars. Maybe I became
[1:09] Speaker 3: a best ball bro, But I'm still looking to learn
[1:11] Speaker 3: more about this game, and I still want others to
[1:14] Speaker 3: come on this ride with me.
[1:16] Speaker 1: So even if you consider me a best ball bro,
[1:18] Speaker 1: this could be your year.
[1:20] Speaker 2: This could be the year that you officially become a
[1:23] Speaker 2: best ball bro.
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[2:16] Speaker 1: The crown is yours.
[2:20] Speaker 2: Welcome into another episode of Becoming a Best ball Bro.
[2:24] Speaker 2: I'm JJ Zachareson, joined as always by my New York
[2:28] Speaker 2: Knicks loving rich Ryan Rich.
[2:31] Speaker 1: How's it going, buddy. I mean, I'm sure you're on
[2:32] Speaker 1: top of the world right now.
[2:33] Speaker 4: Absolutely. I was just in Vegas. I was in Vegas
[2:36] Speaker 4: four games, four and five. I don't think I dragged
[2:39] Speaker 4: a meaningful pot playing poker that entire time. But you
[2:42] Speaker 4: could not wipe the smile off my face regardless because
[2:46] Speaker 4: the New York Knicks are NBA champions.
[2:49] Speaker 1: Were you out there when the Canes won the Stanley
[2:51] Speaker 1: Cup too?
[2:52] Speaker 4: I had just gotten back that It's so funny. Vegas
[2:55] Speaker 4: has really turned into a hockey town. Makes sense with
[2:58] Speaker 4: all the success that they've had. And yeah, I did
[3:02] Speaker 4: not see anyone wearing night s gear or anything because
[3:07] Speaker 4: Carolina had just taken a stranglehold on that series. So
[3:11] Speaker 4: they're like there was no hockey viobs whatsoever in the city.
[3:14] Speaker 4: But yeah, I had a crazy run for them with
[3:16] Speaker 4: towards taking over right before the playoffs.
[3:18] Speaker 5: And then then somehow finally getting to the Cup finally.
[3:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, people people really don't realize. Number One,
[3:23] Speaker 2: people don't realize that the Hurricanes don't play in Charlotte.
[3:26] Speaker 2: A lot of people think that for like that live
[3:28] Speaker 2: outside North Carolina, they play in Raleigh, and it's it's
[3:31] Speaker 2: Raleigh's only professional team, right because Charlotte has the Hornets
[3:34] Speaker 2: and the Panthers and then Raleigh has the Hurricanes. And
[3:38] Speaker 2: because I you know, I have fam like my immediate
[3:40] Speaker 2: family all lives in Raleigh now and so I'm there
[3:42] Speaker 2: all the time, and I you know, I live in Charlotte,
[3:44] Speaker 2: and I don't think like the the the atmosphere for
[3:47] Speaker 2: the Canes is insane because it's right next like this,
[3:50] Speaker 2: the the arena is right next to NC States Football
[3:53] Speaker 2: Stadium and so you know, any any big football stadium
[3:56] Speaker 2: in big, big program football stadium.
[3:58] Speaker 1: Usually especially in because it's an.
[4:00] Speaker 2: Agricultural school, like there's farm farmland and stuff around, you know,
[4:04] Speaker 2: it is it is downtown Raleigh, like the school is,
[4:06] Speaker 2: but there's a lot of land there where people can
[4:09] Speaker 2: tailgate and stuff, right, and so Carolina Hurricanes games are
[4:14] Speaker 2: in this giant area where there's just so much tailgating
[4:17] Speaker 2: going on and so and it's their only professional team,
[4:20] Speaker 2: so it's a very very like popular like well you know,
[4:25] Speaker 2: uh backed NHL franchise the Hurricanes are. And I'm I'm
[4:28] Speaker 2: I'm glad and at least I'm hopeful that people were able.
[4:31] Speaker 1: To see that.
[4:32] Speaker 2: You know, I'm a Penguins fan through and through, but
[4:34] Speaker 2: just being in you know, I live, I've been lived
[4:36] Speaker 2: in North Carolina for twelve years now, and so like
[4:38] Speaker 2: the Canes are kind of like my you know, if
[4:40] Speaker 2: the Penguins don't do it, then it's I'm happy to
[4:42] Speaker 2: see the Canes do it. Jordan Stall when in con
[4:45] Speaker 2: smyth is an amazing story and he started, you know
[4:47] Speaker 2: with the pens and stuff. And I know that we're
[4:49] Speaker 2: talking hockey here and there's a football show, but I
[4:50] Speaker 2: gotta gotta shout out, you know, give a little bit
[4:52] Speaker 2: of love to those Canes fans out there because they
[4:55] Speaker 2: showed up, they showed out, happy for Rod, Brenda Moore,
[4:58] Speaker 2: just a cool story overall.
[5:00] Speaker 4: Sports man, the ultimate unifying force. Then we're going right
[5:03] Speaker 4: into the World Cup now, where little Cape Verde, a
[5:07] Speaker 4: small island off of West Africa, draws with Spain yesterday,
[5:11] Speaker 4: creating memories that the people from that country and the
[5:13] Speaker 4: players on that team will literally never forget.
[5:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool.
[5:17] Speaker 2: I mean, like I just think, not only that, but
[5:19] Speaker 2: you're getting all these people coming in from other countries
[5:21] Speaker 2: right now, and some of the most viral videos on
[5:23] Speaker 2: social media are these people from like Europe and just
[5:25] Speaker 2: random countries you know, outside of the United States that
[5:27] Speaker 2: are like, Wow, the people in the US are actually
[5:30] Speaker 2: kind of nice, and the food here is really cool,
[5:32] Speaker 2: and like the different dynamics of each state is just
[5:34] Speaker 2: super cool. How there's like a completely different world in
[5:37] Speaker 2: Arizona compared to Pennsylvania and stuff. And I don't know,
[5:40] Speaker 2: it's to me it's important to lead with this kind
[5:43] Speaker 2: of thing, you know, before we get to the more
[5:44] Speaker 2: meaningless stuff of best ball and whatnot, because I do
[5:48] Speaker 2: think that this is what sports are all about, is
[5:50] Speaker 2: bringing people together that wouldn't be brought together otherwise and
[5:52] Speaker 2: really having better perspective on what's going on around you
[5:56] Speaker 2: and what this world is really about.
[5:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, touch grass, have a beer with your neighbor and
[6:00] Speaker 4: watch a game. Life's gonna be so much better, I promise.
[6:03] Speaker 2: And maybe maybe maybe draft some best ball teams, maybe
[6:06] Speaker 2: maybe maybe click some names. We're gonna so today we're
[6:10] Speaker 2: gonna just go through some adp risers and followers. We
[6:13] Speaker 2: do have a guest that you guys will listen to
[6:14] Speaker 2: after we do this. But Rich kick things off, let's
[6:17] Speaker 2: talk about some some risers this week.
[6:20] Speaker 5: Once again.
[6:21] Speaker 4: The top two names repeats from last week, Greg greg
[6:25] Speaker 4: Ultic and ad Mitchell. They're the biggest risers, almost up
[6:28] Speaker 4: a full round and then up more than half around
[6:32] Speaker 4: our Zacharia Branch, a guy I besmirched last week in
[6:36] Speaker 4: George Hallane and yeah, shod White. So I'll about half
[6:40] Speaker 4: dozen there. I'll let you give your take on some
[6:43] Speaker 4: of these show.
[6:43] Speaker 2: How do you feel about the ad Mitchell rise, Like,
[6:46] Speaker 2: do you think that it's justified? And do you think
[6:48] Speaker 2: you know, we talked about this a little bit last
[6:49] Speaker 2: week in the way that this wide receiver room could
[6:52] Speaker 2: be deployed, in the way that Omar Cooper kind of
[6:55] Speaker 2: fits within that room. And my stance has been even
[6:57] Speaker 2: since Omar Cooper was drafted that that I think d
[7:00] Speaker 2: Mitchell still fits like a true X role best in
[7:02] Speaker 2: that offense. Is that what Jets Twitter and the Jets
[7:05] Speaker 2: world is saying as well.
[7:06] Speaker 4: For sure, the deployment of Omar Cooper seems to be
[7:11] Speaker 4: a giant question mark. And it's funny because we're seeing
[7:13] Speaker 4: the same thing on the other side of the ball
[7:15] Speaker 4: with Ponds, where because of his stature, everyone thinks he's
[7:18] Speaker 4: going to play inside corner, flat corner, but there's a chance.
[7:22] Speaker 5: That he plays outside as well.
[7:23] Speaker 4: So all eyes are on where Omar Cooper is going
[7:26] Speaker 4: to line up as the summer progresses and into preseason.
[7:30] Speaker 4: But for now, the way he's built, the speed that
[7:33] Speaker 4: he has, his ability to get downfield and create separation.
[7:37] Speaker 4: It's going to be eighties. Mitchell's job to lose, at
[7:39] Speaker 4: least on the outside. And I think overall, one of
[7:42] Speaker 4: the things that people are having a hard time perhaps
[7:45] Speaker 4: grasping about the Jets is that when you look at
[7:48] Speaker 4: this fifteen year playoff drought and you look at their
[7:51] Speaker 4: offensive output in terms of literally any major statistic, whether
[7:55] Speaker 4: it be EPA or DVOA, they've been so bad the
[8:00] Speaker 4: quarterback position from a learning Sam Donalds to Zach Wilson
[8:05] Speaker 4: to whatever the hell last year was when they were
[8:08] Speaker 4: tanking with a UFL quarterback under center. Most teams that
[8:13] Speaker 4: are bad, You've done this study many times over, there's
[8:17] Speaker 4: going to be some sort of regression when you are
[8:19] Speaker 4: so below the mean output, and the Jets have just
[8:23] Speaker 4: never been able to get there, right, because they've never
[8:25] Speaker 4: had even a bad quarterback playing. They've just had awful,
[8:29] Speaker 4: horri like, unimaginable quarterback.
[8:33] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[8:33] Speaker 4: So if do you just be run of the mill bad, right,
[8:36] Speaker 4: just a bad quarterback, the offensive output for this team
[8:40] Speaker 4: is going to far exceed people's expectations.
[8:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, you know, I still have a hard
[8:46] Speaker 2: time with Garrett Wilson, I will say, and clicking his name,
[8:50] Speaker 2: just because there's so many good wide receivers in that
[8:52] Speaker 2: area that I'm not gonna I don't, I don't. There's
[8:55] Speaker 2: only gonna be a couple in that range, and I'm
[8:57] Speaker 2: gonna be like truly overweight on and then that just
[8:59] Speaker 2: means it, I'll be a bit underweged on some others,
[9:01] Speaker 2: you know. But situationally, you know, I think Art Wilson's
[9:04] Speaker 2: a phenomenal player. It's just that like, at some point
[9:07] Speaker 2: we have to just be realistic about from what he's
[9:09] Speaker 2: done from a production standpoint, like a true production standpoint,
[9:12] Speaker 2: And I don't want to just keep projecting, projecting, projecting
[9:15] Speaker 2: every year and then it not happened, right, And if
[9:17] Speaker 2: I'm wrong, I'm wrong, that's you know, that's fine. I
[9:20] Speaker 2: just think if there weren't so many good wide receivers
[9:23] Speaker 2: going around him, it would be a different story, you know.
[9:24] Speaker 2: It'd be a lot easier to be like, yeah, I'll
[9:26] Speaker 2: bet on the talent, because I think he's really talented.
[9:28] Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell, though, I think is a great because none
[9:30] Speaker 2: of that Mitchell is really conducive to a Best Ball situation.
[9:33] Speaker 2: I talked about this on the Late Round show. I
[9:35] Speaker 2: recorded it just before this one. But it's similar like
[9:38] Speaker 2: like Brian Thomas, where there's like stories and you know
[9:41] Speaker 2: things are but he's actually like a player that you
[9:44] Speaker 2: like the Jags in general, I think the wide receivers
[9:46] Speaker 2: in general, where I want to get my exposure in
[9:48] Speaker 2: Best Ball right, But then also we know he's a
[9:51] Speaker 2: down the field, big play threat on the outside.
[9:53] Speaker 1: And that's how I view.
[9:55] Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell in a much worse situation, and like, I
[9:57] Speaker 2: don't think that he has the same ceiling, but Adie
[10:00] Speaker 2: Mitchell's been like like, look, I was one of his
[10:02] Speaker 2: biggest haters when he was drafted because people were so
[10:05] Speaker 2: obsessed with this dude, and I'm like, his production is
[10:08] Speaker 2: his age adjusted production college is not that good.
[10:12] Speaker 1: But I will say that Mitchell is out.
[10:14] Speaker 2: He's actually been better than what I expected now that
[10:17] Speaker 2: he's played in the NFL.
[10:18] Speaker 1: Per route run, he's been good in the NFL.
[10:21] Speaker 2: And so that's the kind of dart throw I want
[10:23] Speaker 2: to I want to make when I'm when I'm drafting
[10:24] Speaker 2: these Best Ball lineups.
[10:25] Speaker 4: And it's funny too because and I don't know how much.
[10:29] Speaker 4: I don't think you'd do this at all. But his
[10:32] Speaker 4: teammates score coming in obviously purely college based, like Xavier
[10:36] Speaker 4: Worthy really hasn't lived up to expectation either. So whatever
[10:40] Speaker 4: strength was going into that teammate score at Texas kind
[10:43] Speaker 4: of gets dinged a little bit too, because Avier Worthy
[10:46] Speaker 4: hasn't been that guy either in the league. I'll tell
[10:49] Speaker 4: you from a fans perspective, Jets fans are are really
[10:52] Speaker 4: excited about Adie Mitchell. I've got my I'm pumping the
[10:56] Speaker 4: brakes a little bit because when a good team is
[11:00] Speaker 4: okay and a smart team is okay, kind of just
[11:03] Speaker 4: like getting rid of an asset like that. My red
[11:05] Speaker 4: flag is always up in the culture, very well run organization.
[11:08] Speaker 4: But I mean as a throw in, as a guy
[11:10] Speaker 4: that in an awful wide receiver room right where we
[11:13] Speaker 4: back to back years of Malakai Corley and Arian Smith,
[11:18] Speaker 4: like he was definitely a sight for sore eyes.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like but like like both of those guys,
[11:24] Speaker 2: I remember going on your Jets show last year and
[11:26] Speaker 2: being like, Arian Smith is one of the worst wide
[11:27] Speaker 2: receiver picks I've ever seen in my life, right, like,
[11:30] Speaker 2: like legitimately and Malachi Corley to me, was one of
[11:32] Speaker 2: the worst wide receiver picks that I've ever seen.
[11:34] Speaker 1: Like it's like, at least there's some substance. Adie Mitchell.
[11:37] Speaker 2: So I do like the the Ady Mitchell rising, and
[11:40] Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like it for my portfolio, but
[11:41] Speaker 2: I like that the market is being pretty smart about it.
[11:44] Speaker 2: Greg Dolcich we talked. We've talked about him really good
[11:46] Speaker 2: last season per rout run numbers. Zachariah Branch I can
[11:50] Speaker 2: get behind, just because I don't think there's some obvious
[11:52] Speaker 2: picks late and he's got an opportunity ahead of him.
[11:55] Speaker 2: George Hallani is interesting, you know. I think that he
[12:01] Speaker 2: can play a third down role, which is gonna be
[12:03] Speaker 2: beneficial on a site like DK. But they've been talking
[12:06] Speaker 2: about him splitting like you know, first team reps and
[12:09] Speaker 2: such with with UH with Genarian Price, and I don't.
[12:13] Speaker 2: I just don't think that George Laani is that kind
[12:15] Speaker 2: of player. I remember prospecting him too. I just didn't
[12:18] Speaker 2: didn't see him in that way necessarily. I think Emmanuel
[12:21] Speaker 2: Wilson fits that role a little bit better, but they're
[12:24] Speaker 2: not seemingly using Wilson in that manner. So we just
[12:27] Speaker 2: have to kind of roll with what's.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Going on, uh, you know, with the deployment and what
[12:31] Speaker 1: we think might like how they might use these guys. Uh.
[12:35] Speaker 2: Rashad White, I think is a reaction to Jacory Krossky merit,
[12:39] Speaker 2: you know, and stuff going on there, and and also
[12:42] Speaker 2: some some positive coach speak with Rashad White, uh and
[12:45] Speaker 2: him being just like a reliable pass catcher.
[12:48] Speaker 1: I think White is like a very easy click, especially
[12:52] Speaker 1: if you go zero RB, like just a very easy
[12:55] Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be a league winner, but
[12:56] Speaker 1: I do think that that in a full on a
[12:58] Speaker 1: full PPR platform, he could he could do some work
[13:00] Speaker 1: and do some damage.
[13:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, And in Washington offense that personally, I'm I'm investing
[13:05] Speaker 4: in because.
[13:06] Speaker 1: I love Terry McLaurin.
[13:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, and I just believe in what I saw from
[13:11] Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels in year one. I'm like the throw against Cincinnati,
[13:15] Speaker 4: just the way he played in the playoffs. I'm a
[13:17] Speaker 4: believer in him, and thus I'm just a believer in
[13:20] Speaker 4: this offense as a whole.
[13:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, all right, who else we got right?
[13:24] Speaker 4: If we slide down a little, Probably the most impactful
[13:26] Speaker 4: move because it's a single ditch round is Toot bay
[13:31] Speaker 4: Shall tooting up seven spots going now at pick fifty five,
[13:36] Speaker 4: People are starting to catch on that maybe sen Bayhall
[13:40] Speaker 4: is the click here.
[13:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we talked about this on the Late
[13:44] Speaker 2: Round show just a couple of minutes ago. But you
[13:46] Speaker 2: know in your podcast feed it's gonna be on Thursday,
[13:48] Speaker 2: and this is coming out on Wednesday.
[13:49] Speaker 1: But with there were the reports this week about JK.
[13:53] Speaker 2: Dobbins being like almost like getting a contract with Jacksonville,
[13:56] Speaker 2: maybe signing with Jacksonville, and that he was their priority
[13:59] Speaker 2: like off season look at running back, and everyone's like, oh,
[14:03] Speaker 2: this is bad for base Shall Tuton.
[14:04] Speaker 1: In my response is like, no, this is bad for
[14:05] Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez.
[14:06] Speaker 2: Because if the narrative with Chris Rodriguez is that they
[14:10] Speaker 2: were getting him because he's Liam Cohen's guy, is he
[14:12] Speaker 2: is he Liam Cohen's guy, If they were looking at JK.
[14:14] Speaker 2: Dobbins instead of Chris Rodriguez, you know, if anything, it
[14:18] Speaker 2: makes me feel more bullish about bay Shall Tuton. You know,
[14:21] Speaker 2: you can still get him at like the five six
[14:23] Speaker 2: turn and a lot of drafts like pretty frequently. You know,
[14:27] Speaker 2: obviously his ADP's up more to like the fifty six range,
[14:29] Speaker 2: like mid fifth round. I think you can draft him
[14:31] Speaker 2: as early as the beginning at the four or five
[14:33] Speaker 2: turn like that. I think that's where that's where his
[14:37] Speaker 2: like break even would be generally speaking. It's just that
[14:40] Speaker 2: I think in that area you're you're often looking still
[14:42] Speaker 2: at some wide receivers and stuff, which is fine, like
[14:45] Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle I love, But yeah, I mean I think
[14:47] Speaker 2: Tuton deserves to be going there. There's a lot of
[14:49] Speaker 2: upside for him. He's apparently been been crushing it so far,
[14:54] Speaker 2: you know, in these in these camps and stuff, and
[14:56] Speaker 2: so I am you know, as I've been saying, all
[14:59] Speaker 2: roads lead to base, shall Tuoton?
[15:02] Speaker 4: The only other single digit mover in a positive direction
[15:05] Speaker 4: in terms of rounds is Quintin Johnson up five point
[15:08] Speaker 4: six spots to eighty sixth in the eighth round, and
[15:12] Speaker 4: just the continuing drum beat of positivity around this Chargers offense.
[15:17] Speaker 5: Are you.
[15:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff about them using Johnston
[15:21] Speaker 2: for his yak, which is really important because that's really
[15:23] Speaker 2: what he does best.
[15:24] Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean I want to be a
[15:27] Speaker 1: little bit more overweight than.
[15:28] Speaker 2: I've been on QJ for sure, because I think that
[15:30] Speaker 2: he could be you know, everyone's like really high on lad,
[15:33] Speaker 2: but there's some stuff where you know there's there's a
[15:35] Speaker 2: chance he gets steamed up too high through the summer.
[15:39] Speaker 2: And then I've been drafting a lot of Trey Harris.
[15:41] Speaker 2: I've mentioned that, but that's more so just like he's
[15:43] Speaker 2: super cheap and it's a good offense, and he could
[15:45] Speaker 2: rotate in at times. But Qj's kind of in that
[15:48] Speaker 2: middle ground where you're like, should I be getting him
[15:50] Speaker 2: right now?
[15:50] Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, there's good quarterbacks here.
[15:52] Speaker 2: I need to force the issue a little bit more
[15:54] Speaker 2: because I do see an outcome where Quentin Johnson has
[15:56] Speaker 2: actually a pretty good season.
[15:57] Speaker 5: All right, we'll go to some followers.
[15:59] Speaker 4: He talked about coach speak having a positive impact on
[16:02] Speaker 4: a player. Two players who have had a hit because
[16:05] Speaker 4: of the other side of the coin are Emmanuel Wilson
[16:08] Speaker 4: and Eli Stowers. Wilson specifically running with the threes right
[16:11] Speaker 4: now in Seattle.
[16:13] Speaker 5: I saw one Yahoo headline.
[16:14] Speaker 4: Was like, do the Seahawks already regrets signing Emmanuel Wilson?
[16:19] Speaker 5: He's got do you.
[16:20] Speaker 1: Regret signing Emmanuel Wilson, like it's the most like inconsequential
[16:23] Speaker 1: thing of all time.
[16:23] Speaker 7: Two million dollars. What are we gonna do? We get
[16:26] Speaker 7: two million? To Emmanuel Wilson, he's down thirteen and a
[16:29] Speaker 7: half picks. And then Eli Stowers, who a Philadelphia b writer,
[16:33] Speaker 7: was saying he's had a very quiet spring. There was
[16:35] Speaker 7: one practice where he was running as the tight end
[16:37] Speaker 7: one and in this writer's estimation, didn't really do anything.
[16:41] Speaker 7: So some cold water on Wilson and Eli Stowers the latter.
[16:45] Speaker 7: I'm not worried about Stour. I'm not worried about a
[16:47] Speaker 7: rookie tight end in shorts in June.
[16:50] Speaker 5: But that's just me.
[16:51] Speaker 1: I'm not super worried about it. I mean, D'antavian Wicks
[16:53] Speaker 1: on the flip.
[16:53] Speaker 2: Side, was a riser on that list, and I think that, like,
[16:57] Speaker 2: I'm actually a little bit more concerned because of cost
[17:01] Speaker 2: of Makaya Lemon right now. When I was drafting Lemon
[17:04] Speaker 2: like fairly confidently, and then I started doing some research
[17:08] Speaker 2: in the draft guide, like for the draft guide, and
[17:10] Speaker 2: then like there's you know, the Dantavian Wis reports coming
[17:14] Speaker 2: out about him, you know, being their wide receiver too.
[17:17] Speaker 2: At least right now. Look, this is not an indictment
[17:19] Speaker 2: on the way that I view Mackay Lemon. I still
[17:21] Speaker 2: think Lemon's a good prospect, and I think that the
[17:23] Speaker 2: long term outlook looks pretty good. I just think that
[17:26] Speaker 2: he might end up being more of a late season
[17:29] Speaker 2: hammer as opposed to a full season hammer, and in
[17:32] Speaker 2: that range where he goes, you probably need a little
[17:35] Speaker 2: bit more of that full season points and output from
[17:38] Speaker 2: that player. So I've been backing up a little bit
[17:40] Speaker 2: on Makaya Lemon recently, and I just want to throw
[17:43] Speaker 2: that out there. Kind of plays into this whole Philadelphia think.
[17:45] Speaker 2: I agree though with with Stours. It's like, I don't know,
[17:48] Speaker 2: I think that you're just kind of hoping for like
[17:50] Speaker 2: like given his cost, you are hoping that he gets
[17:53] Speaker 2: late season production and that you know, maybe there's some
[17:56] Speaker 2: injuries and things just fall into place at the right
[17:58] Speaker 2: time for a guy like Stours. But he's still a
[18:01] Speaker 2: this is still a rookie tight end. There's there's a
[18:03] Speaker 2: there's more of a long term outlook for these kind
[18:05] Speaker 2: of player, especially Dallas Goddard.
[18:06] Speaker 4: Still there another tight end who is falling, this one
[18:10] Speaker 4: due to an absence. It looks like during off season activities.
[18:14] Speaker 4: Is Cleveland Browns tight end Harold Fannon. This is the
[18:17] Speaker 4: only single digit guy that made our list in the
[18:20] Speaker 4: eighth round.
[18:20] Speaker 5: Currently.
[18:21] Speaker 4: He dropped half around Fannin any amazing rookie season last year.
[18:27] Speaker 4: But the market cooling on Fannin.
[18:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably the only other call out that
[18:32] Speaker 2: we need on the followers list this week. And it's
[18:34] Speaker 2: you know, it's sad because I love Harold Fannin and
[18:37] Speaker 2: his mom is great, and it's you know, we we
[18:39] Speaker 2: uh hopefully we get to see Harold Fannon's mom again
[18:42] Speaker 2: at the Fantasy Football Expo this year.
[18:44] Speaker 5: But I love that there's people that have no idea.
[18:47] Speaker 1: There's people have no idea about this.
[18:48] Speaker 2: The lore the Harold Fannon's mom law the TLDR is
[18:53] Speaker 2: that that Kitchen and I met Harold Fannon's mom last
[18:56] Speaker 2: year at the Fantasy Football Expo and we got to
[18:59] Speaker 2: talk to her for about fifteen minutes, and I talked
[19:01] Speaker 2: about him being a duck footed prospect and the way
[19:03] Speaker 2: that he ran and stuff.
[19:04] Speaker 1: Knows fun, It was a lot of fun.
[19:06] Speaker 2: The fan in thing scares me because I was actually
[19:08] Speaker 2: more out on him even without this. I'm worried about
[19:11] Speaker 2: Fan and with all of the because he was like, like,
[19:14] Speaker 2: I think he's a very very good player, but he
[19:17] Speaker 2: did rely on volume to some degree last year because
[19:20] Speaker 2: his target shore was absurd down the stretch last season
[19:22] Speaker 2: when when David Njoko went down, and then they add
[19:24] Speaker 2: Casey Concepcio and they add Denzel Boston. You know, they
[19:28] Speaker 2: have a whole new offense that I do think is
[19:30] Speaker 2: helpful for tight ends with Todd Monkin, but we don't
[19:33] Speaker 2: know exactly how it's going to be deployed. And so
[19:35] Speaker 2: when I look at a player like Sam Laporta who
[19:38] Speaker 2: has a very stable environment and work, we're drafting in
[19:42] Speaker 2: June and we kind of need the stability a little
[19:44] Speaker 2: bit more, you know, with our single digit round picks,
[19:47] Speaker 2: I'd be more inclined to go that direction than than
[19:49] Speaker 2: Harold Fan in which I think he officially has flipped
[19:52] Speaker 2: Harold Fan and ADP. But regardless, I wasn't really that
[19:56] Speaker 2: in on Fan in to begin with, despite loving him
[19:59] Speaker 2: long term. And this is just another reason why I'm
[20:02] Speaker 2: not gonna.
[20:03] Speaker 4: Be in when I've gotten the first pick. There is
[20:07] Speaker 4: just it seems like on a platter that Detroit Chicago stack,
[20:13] Speaker 4: of which I've been sliding Laporte in there in there
[20:17] Speaker 4: quite a bit, so I'm right there with you.
[20:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, we do have a guest for
[20:23] Speaker 2: today's show. It's one that I've had on each year,
[20:26] Speaker 2: one that I've got to know through Best Ball and
[20:28] Speaker 2: through doing this show, and you know I've hopped on
[20:30] Speaker 2: stream with him in the past.
[20:32] Speaker 1: But it's Liam Murphy.
[20:33] Speaker 2: He's another big, big Best Ball winner as we had
[20:37] Speaker 2: last week with Pat Corane. He's from Beatbeestball dot Com.
[20:40] Speaker 2: He also has his YouTube channel at Chess Liam. He's
[20:43] Speaker 2: a he's a chess instructor, like a chess teacher, so
[20:46] Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing.
[20:48] Speaker 1: With that game as well.
[20:49] Speaker 2: But I talked to Liam about the current meta why
[20:52] Speaker 2: I think this is the most interesting part with Liam.
[20:54] Speaker 2: Why he likes two quarterback builds more than most people,
[20:59] Speaker 2: So you guys will get some insight into that, which
[21:00] Speaker 2: I thought was interesting, his tight end approach so much
[21:03] Speaker 2: more was a great conversation. So, without further ado, here
[21:05] Speaker 2: is my chat with Liam Murphy. All right, Liam, So,
[21:23] Speaker 2: as you look at the Best Ball landscape right now,
[21:26] Speaker 2: specifically over on DraftKings, what's one of the biggest differences
[21:29] Speaker 2: that you see year over year. Do you think that
[21:31] Speaker 2: it's the same that we're seeing year over year? Are
[21:33] Speaker 2: are there major differences or do you think it's mostly
[21:35] Speaker 2: what we saw last year.
[21:37] Speaker 6: No, it's major differences, And I think that's a fun
[21:40] Speaker 6: puzzle piece. Right. For the past couple of years, I
[21:43] Speaker 6: would say the market has mostly remained the same. And
[21:47] Speaker 6: it's not really clear to me exactly why we're seeing
[21:50] Speaker 6: these wide market changes, but the market is very different,
[21:54] Speaker 6: specifically at running back and quarterback. I would say running
[22:00] Speaker 6: back since BBM two, so that's twenty twenty one. Since
[22:06] Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty, we have not seen running
[22:09] Speaker 6: backs of this expensive in drafts. And with quarterback like
[22:15] Speaker 6: used to be able to get like CJ. Stroud or
[22:19] Speaker 6: the other rookie guys who went literally second in the draft,
[22:22] Speaker 6: they would be like eighteenth round draft picks, right. Or
[22:25] Speaker 6: you think of Matt Stafford last year and he was
[22:32] Speaker 6: whatever like a fifteenth round pick, especially after the back stuff,
[22:36] Speaker 6: or Daniel Jones was like a seventeenth round pick. Even
[22:39] Speaker 6: the stinkers of the quarterbacks like Geno Rogers Mendoza. I'm
[22:45] Speaker 6: looking at a high stakes draft I did yesterday on DraftKings.
[22:49] Speaker 6: They're gone by the fourteenth round. So the true stinkers
[22:52] Speaker 6: are like job security guys, the Atlanta quarterbacks, the Browns quarterbacks,
[22:58] Speaker 6: like it's way different there. And then of course at
[23:01] Speaker 6: running back, we got about five running backs maybe six
[23:06] Speaker 6: consistently going in the first round. We have not seen
[23:08] Speaker 6: that forever, and even like the dead zone guys of yesteryear,
[23:16] Speaker 6: that's probably like the fifth round to the tenth round,
[23:21] Speaker 6: where like, some of these guys are gonna be big hits,
[23:23] Speaker 6: and I like some of them. So I'm talking to
[23:25] Speaker 6: anyone from like Swift scatter Bow down to Dobbin's White
[23:32] Speaker 6: or whatever, something like something whatever range you want to
[23:34] Speaker 6: say there, some of them gonna be a big hits.
[23:36] Speaker 6: Some of them are gonna be silent killers. Maybe Chuba
[23:39] Speaker 6: like some of these guys I'm softer on.
[23:41] Speaker 1: But that's what I'm seeing. What about you?
[23:43] Speaker 6: You know?
[23:44] Speaker 1: I agree?
[23:44] Speaker 2: I think the big thing that kind of a continuation
[23:47] Speaker 2: like a trend, you know, like like it was happening
[23:50] Speaker 2: a little bit last year and now it's just continued
[23:52] Speaker 2: as the quarterback thing that you mentioned, where I guess
[23:54] Speaker 2: my question back to you about the quarterback stuff, is
[23:58] Speaker 2: that you now are seeing those lower end QB twos,
[24:02] Speaker 2: mid range QB two is being pushed up, right, They're
[24:06] Speaker 2: being drafted earlier. Is that making you want to get
[24:10] Speaker 2: the elite quarterbacks more? Because obviously if you can't get
[24:14] Speaker 2: the value as late, that would mean getting the value
[24:17] Speaker 2: early is a little bit easier to swallow, you know,
[24:21] Speaker 2: just given the cost of that. And then on top
[24:24] Speaker 2: of that, I talked to Pat Koran last week, who
[24:27] Speaker 2: was very much fading Josh Allen given the cost. And
[24:30] Speaker 2: so this plays into that, right where if some of
[24:33] Speaker 2: these quarterbacks are going a little bit earlier and you're
[24:35] Speaker 2: not able to get a guy in around eighteen that
[24:37] Speaker 2: you were reliably were able to get two or three
[24:40] Speaker 2: years ago, does that make you lean into the Josh
[24:43] Speaker 2: Allen thing more?
[24:44] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[24:44] Speaker 6: I saw that question on the sheet and I think
[24:46] Speaker 6: it should be brought up now. So I'm happy you
[24:47] Speaker 6: did that. You know, like the consensus thought process is
[24:51] Speaker 6: you have to get three quarterbacks, you need three quarterbacks
[24:54] Speaker 6: in every draft, and you need it by X round
[24:57] Speaker 6: or whatever. And I think that is so misguided and
[25:01] Speaker 6: just reacting to last year and relax and lacks all
[25:04] Speaker 6: contexts where again, the reason why three quarterback hit is
[25:08] Speaker 6: because you could literally get Matt Stafford, Daniel Jones, Like
[25:12] Speaker 6: these were the cheap bets you could get. Okay, these
[25:14] Speaker 6: these are the guys you could get the undrafts Jackson Dart,
[25:17] Speaker 6: guys who were legit top five quarterback options in Fantasy
[25:21] Speaker 6: for weeks at a time. And now the late round
[25:24] Speaker 6: options are Gino Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Tua Mendoza, Brissette. Like,
[25:29] Speaker 6: ask yourself, are these guys going to hit in the
[25:32] Speaker 6: way that Stafford did? Are they gonna hit in the
[25:34] Speaker 6: way that Daniel Jones did? And like to me, the
[25:37] Speaker 6: answer is obviously no. Maybe you could say, like if
[25:41] Speaker 6: anyone is, it's gonna be Mendoza because he was a
[25:43] Speaker 6: high draft pick. So sure, like that's a that's a
[25:45] Speaker 6: mystery box that I'm willing to do. So I'm I
[25:49] Speaker 6: don't feel compelled to do three quarterback in every draft,
[25:52] Speaker 6: like I'm comfortable to get to by the like Baker
[25:57] Speaker 6: Mayfield line depending so I'll go a thin is like
[26:00] Speaker 6: Goffin Baker or you know, Kyler Murray and bow Nicks.
[26:06] Speaker 6: What some combo of this not saying I won't take
[26:10] Speaker 6: a third quarterback, but I'm not so stringent where it's
[26:13] Speaker 6: like I need my third quarterback, I need my third quarterback,
[26:16] Speaker 6: and then yeah, of course, Like I think it's very
[26:18] Speaker 6: shortsighted to view Josh Allen and be like he's a fade.
[26:21] Speaker 6: Like I think it's pretty easily level one thinking where
[26:25] Speaker 6: you look at Josh Allen, he goes in the third,
[26:27] Speaker 6: and I'll admit, there's no real rhyme or reason why
[26:30] Speaker 6: he should have such a gap on Lamar, Joe Burrow,
[26:34] Speaker 6: maybe some of these Drake May's, Jayden Daniels, Dak Cale
[26:38] Speaker 6: William guys who go in the fifth through sixth. But
[26:42] Speaker 6: what you should be thinking through is like what's the
[26:45] Speaker 6: cost of the stack. So if we look at Josh
[26:47] Speaker 6: Allen and like, let's just pick Drake May, Okay, so
[26:52] Speaker 6: AJ Brown and Drake May, you got to burn a
[26:55] Speaker 6: second round pick to get AJ Brown, where Josh Allen
[26:58] Speaker 6: and DJ or or Josh Allen, Dalton Kinkaid whatever, Like,
[27:03] Speaker 6: you're not spent, You're getting a second round player instead
[27:06] Speaker 6: of AJ Brown. So I don't really think it's that
[27:09] Speaker 6: expensive of a price to spend on Josh Allen, And
[27:12] Speaker 6: it honestly just doesn't even really matter where like where.
[27:15] Speaker 6: It's like, look, if you want a full faded player,
[27:18] Speaker 6: that's a variance question. That's a risk tolerance question. To me,
[27:22] Speaker 6: I think it's obviously no. I'm out at Josh Allen
[27:25] Speaker 6: at a second round cost like that to me is
[27:27] Speaker 6: just a little ridiculous. But I was doing a five
[27:30] Speaker 6: five five yesterday. He felt to me to the back
[27:32] Speaker 6: of the third. Sometimes he goes to the fourth. I
[27:35] Speaker 6: think it's a no brainer to mix them in there,
[27:38] Speaker 6: especially because you should be asking yourself like can this
[27:40] Speaker 6: be a guy you need to win the contest? And
[27:43] Speaker 6: the answer is so obviously yes. Where he gets the Dolphins,
[27:46] Speaker 6: Like can Josh Allen drop forty against the Dolphins?
[27:49] Speaker 1: Yes?
[27:49] Speaker 6: Is that pretty realistic?
[27:51] Speaker 1: Yes?
[27:52] Speaker 6: Right, So to me, I'm not fading him. And then
[27:54] Speaker 6: to your point, when I get Josh Allen, Yeah, I
[27:57] Speaker 6: can just take Josh Allen, Maleiku Willis, Josh Tyler, shuck
[28:01] Speaker 6: Josh Allen, CJ. Stroud, and I don't need to fool
[28:05] Speaker 6: around in this like round seven to eleven range where
[28:08] Speaker 6: a lot of people are going three quarterback?
[28:10] Speaker 1: What do you think your portfolio will end up as
[28:13] Speaker 1: when you look at two versus three quarterback builds like
[28:15] Speaker 1: how just so people listening would like have an idea
[28:18] Speaker 1: of where your head's at with sort of the you know,
[28:20] Speaker 1: the the proportion of the two. I generally lean to QB.
[28:24] Speaker 6: It's worse for advance rate, but it's like I don't
[28:30] Speaker 6: care about advance rate as much as other people, Like
[28:33] Speaker 6: I'm okay rolling up in December and people making fun
[28:37] Speaker 6: of me and being like he only advanced twenty three
[28:40] Speaker 6: teams like that's not I'm not playing for looking good,
[28:44] Speaker 6: yeah fifteen. I'm playing what I think is optimal to
[28:48] Speaker 6: win the contest. And so yeah, I will do three
[28:50] Speaker 6: quarterback when it makes sense, like say I have a
[28:52] Speaker 6: Cardinal Tait and I already have Dart and Love and
[28:56] Speaker 6: cam Ward's there.
[28:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll mix it.
[28:58] Speaker 6: I'll take him, but I'm not gonna pay ask him
[29:00] Speaker 6: if I think there's a literal difference maker at the position,
[29:03] Speaker 6: like I'm looking to go three quarterback more when it's
[29:06] Speaker 6: like I have Malik Willis Tyler shuck, Yes, I really
[29:10] Speaker 6: want a third on that because it's all like kind
[29:12] Speaker 6: of mystery box y. I personally like the Malik Willis bet,
[29:16] Speaker 6: but it is uncertain. So I lean more two QB.
[29:21] Speaker 6: But and I don't know Zach like I don't. I'm
[29:24] Speaker 6: also not in such a nerd with it where I'm like,
[29:26] Speaker 6: I have eighteen like I'm just drafting East draft. And
[29:31] Speaker 6: that's what why best Ball is great. It's like you draft,
[29:33] Speaker 6: you're done, let's find out who wins at the end
[29:36] Speaker 6: of the year. Like I'm not using the caddy. I'm
[29:39] Speaker 6: not going through like I know roughly who I'm taking
[29:41] Speaker 6: in who I'm not.
[29:42] Speaker 2: When you refer to the playoff weeks right and you
[29:44] Speaker 2: refer to the two quarterback build versus three quarterback, is
[29:47] Speaker 2: that something that you are saying, I have outs at
[29:52] Speaker 2: wide receiver, running back in a stack that other people
[29:55] Speaker 2: might not because they spent that on a quarter that
[29:58] Speaker 2: that pick on a quarterback instead of boot sting up
[30:00] Speaker 2: or bolstering that or just another running back and wide
[30:03] Speaker 2: receiver that could potentially hit or is it a larger
[30:06] Speaker 2: roster construction thing also where you know that in you know,
[30:11] Speaker 2: if the meta right now is three quarterback and you
[30:13] Speaker 2: know that a lot of these teams are three quarterback,
[30:15] Speaker 2: you just have an inherent edge because there's just a
[30:17] Speaker 2: different roster construction that you're using once you get to
[30:21] Speaker 2: the playoffs.
[30:22] Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I guess it does boil down to
[30:24] Speaker 6: my core philosophy is hitting a difference maker at a
[30:27] Speaker 6: skill position is more important than having a third quarterback
[30:31] Speaker 6: got And so yeah, look, does it suck when one
[30:33] Speaker 6: of your quarterback gets hurt or both get hurt and
[30:36] Speaker 6: you got a dead team. Sure, but you think of
[30:39] Speaker 6: the guys who make you win this contest, having another
[30:42] Speaker 6: shot at getting or shot Penny that year, a mon Ross,
[30:46] Speaker 6: Saint Brown his rookie year. These are the things to
[30:49] Speaker 6: me that decide who wins the contest and who doesn't.
[30:53] Speaker 6: And we do see quarterbacks separate at times, of course,
[30:56] Speaker 6: And so yeah, technically you have another shot of that
[30:58] Speaker 6: if you tack on Tua. But again, like I'm not
[31:02] Speaker 6: panicked with it, Like, as long as I have two guys,
[31:05] Speaker 6: I feel reasonable. And I it comes back to me
[31:08] Speaker 6: from like your home league. Like, pretend you have a
[31:10] Speaker 6: home league, you have a good team, and your only
[31:12] Speaker 6: quarterback is Jordan Love. You're not feeling like your team
[31:16] Speaker 6: is like dead each week? Right, Like, yeah, okay, you're
[31:18] Speaker 6: not feeling great, but you got Jordan Love, you got
[31:21] Speaker 6: a second guy, reasonable, right, but yeah, I do want
[31:25] Speaker 6: to have more shots at landing the difference maker, which
[31:28] Speaker 6: to me comes at running back in white.
[31:29] Speaker 2: El okay, and then the you know, as you noted
[31:32] Speaker 2: at the top, how running back seems to be. You know,
[31:35] Speaker 2: it's funny because like in season long, itself like not
[31:37] Speaker 2: best ball. I think it's more or less the same
[31:39] Speaker 2: of what we've seen. But I also think that part
[31:41] Speaker 2: of the best ball thing maybe maybe you would agree
[31:44] Speaker 2: or disagree, but I think there's at least part of
[31:46] Speaker 2: this is like the narrative of the taut where like
[31:50] Speaker 2: touts over the you know, maybe maybe not last year
[31:53] Speaker 2: as much, but definitely the year before that and the
[31:55] Speaker 2: year before that, we're super zero RB heavy right, like
[31:58] Speaker 2: like very much. So that was the mindset that a
[32:00] Speaker 2: lot of touts were going with, and I think that
[32:02] Speaker 2: part of the narrative to here is that like touts
[32:05] Speaker 2: are not doing that as much, and like they're more
[32:07] Speaker 2: open to more robust running back builds. Like I think
[32:10] Speaker 2: that is kind of fueling what this meta has become,
[32:13] Speaker 2: which is you know, going more running back heavy stemming
[32:15] Speaker 2: from that. Let's just assume that like it's super running
[32:19] Speaker 2: back heavy, and like we it gets more running back
[32:21] Speaker 2: heavy as the summer goes on, and like that's the
[32:23] Speaker 2: way that that the drafts are unfolding. Is this a
[32:27] Speaker 2: season then where you want to zig while others are
[32:30] Speaker 2: zagging and you actually want to lean into a zero
[32:33] Speaker 2: RB build?
[32:33] Speaker 6: More so, I always try to do a mix of
[32:37] Speaker 6: builds every year, right, Like, I don't want to go
[32:40] Speaker 6: all zero RB any year. I don't want to go
[32:43] Speaker 6: all here running back in a year. I think to
[32:46] Speaker 6: your point, yeah, a lot of touts probably drafted zero
[32:49] Speaker 6: RB and did bad and that felt bad and so
[32:51] Speaker 6: they're they're changing that. But no, I think also to
[32:54] Speaker 6: your point, yes, this is a great year to go
[32:56] Speaker 6: zero RB. Where definitions on that like mix?
[33:00] Speaker 1: Yes, it rives me nuts.
[33:02] Speaker 6: And though it's like, what what is zero back? Zero
[33:05] Speaker 6: running back?
[33:06] Speaker 5: To you?
[33:06] Speaker 6: Is it Tony Pollard?
[33:07] Speaker 1: Does your RB one?
[33:08] Speaker 5: Is it?
[33:08] Speaker 1: Rashad White? Is your RB one?
[33:10] Speaker 6: Like those are two different things.
[33:13] Speaker 2: You know.
[33:14] Speaker 6: To some people, it's like Travis etn as there RB one.
[33:17] Speaker 6: It's like, dude, you took him the third round, Like
[33:19] Speaker 6: what are we talking about? But like let's say I
[33:23] Speaker 6: think to most people first running back around round seven,
[33:27] Speaker 6: which would be the Warren Stevenson Harv Range like there
[33:32] Speaker 6: are guys to like in that range. Uh, you know,
[33:35] Speaker 6: I also like, like, you know, Kenneth Gainwell, I like
[33:41] Speaker 6: the Steelers guys, Jonathan Brook. So I mix up my builds,
[33:46] Speaker 6: and my ranks almost always lean more wide receiver heavy,
[33:50] Speaker 6: where it's just hard for Darius Slayton to turn into
[33:53] Speaker 6: Jamar Chase. It's not that hard for Jordan Mason with
[33:58] Speaker 6: volume to turn into a points per game. We saw
[34:01] Speaker 6: that last year when Aaron Jones got hurt, and so, yeah,
[34:04] Speaker 6: I mix it up. But I do think to your
[34:05] Speaker 6: point's a good year to do the zero RB, especially
[34:08] Speaker 6: because running back prices are more expensive and less people
[34:11] Speaker 6: are doing it.
[34:12] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:13] Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been trying to the Other thing too, is
[34:15] Speaker 2: that when you mix up strategy, this is what I've experienced,
[34:17] Speaker 2: at least in doing more of the max entering and
[34:21] Speaker 2: playing a lot more over the last couple years. When
[34:23] Speaker 2: you do different strategies, you're getting exposure to different players
[34:27] Speaker 2: just naturally, right Like that to me screwed me a
[34:31] Speaker 2: couple of years ago was that I was going more
[34:33] Speaker 2: zero RB heavy, which I think, yes, it was a
[34:35] Speaker 2: good year for going not zero RB.
[34:38] Speaker 1: But at the same time.
[34:39] Speaker 2: More so, in my opinion, it's that you're getting certain
[34:42] Speaker 2: exposure to the same players over and over again, as
[34:44] Speaker 2: opposed to having the right mix of players right just
[34:47] Speaker 2: just naturally based on that strategy. And I think that
[34:50] Speaker 2: also is like an untalked about part of being a
[34:54] Speaker 2: little bit more flexible with the strategy.
[34:55] Speaker 1: Overall.
[34:56] Speaker 6: That's a great point, and I can think of a
[34:58] Speaker 6: couple examples that highlight that. One of the years where
[35:01] Speaker 6: Nico Collins was a big hit, he was around around
[35:05] Speaker 6: like ten or eleven wide receiver, and as someone who
[35:08] Speaker 6: was drafting a lot of zero RB, I thought I
[35:11] Speaker 6: had my wide receivers checked. So who am I taking
[35:13] Speaker 6: in those rounds? I'm taking running backs, So I'm missing
[35:16] Speaker 6: on the Nico. Same thing this year, where again I
[35:19] Speaker 6: would say my teams are more wide receiver heavy. I'm
[35:22] Speaker 6: not getting as much of the Jaden Higgins of the world,
[35:26] Speaker 6: who I find a reasonable bet. But like when I
[35:29] Speaker 6: need to take a running back, and it's kind of
[35:31] Speaker 6: like the last guys you feel good about, I'm just
[35:34] Speaker 6: inherently getting a little bit less of that if I'm
[35:36] Speaker 6: going to a heavy wide receiver. So if Jadon Higgins
[35:39] Speaker 6: is a big hit. I'm not missing it because I
[35:40] Speaker 6: dislike Jaydon Higgins. I actually kind of like like the
[35:42] Speaker 6: bet I'm missing it because of my builds. So yeah,
[35:45] Speaker 6: I think that's a great point where mixing up the
[35:47] Speaker 6: builds you go for RBS heavy, now you're just getting
[35:50] Speaker 6: different types of players because they live in different pockets
[35:53] Speaker 6: of the draft.
[35:54] Speaker 2: It even extends the quarterback stuff too, right, because if
[35:57] Speaker 2: you're not like let's say you're not getting Josh Allen,
[36:00] Speaker 2: you aren't in a position very frequently to get like
[36:03] Speaker 2: a Lamar or you know that five six range and
[36:05] Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like we know, there's you know,
[36:08] Speaker 2: I think that like from a value perspective, we would
[36:10] Speaker 2: all we would, we would probably a lot of people
[36:12] Speaker 2: would agree that, Like towards the end of the single
[36:14] Speaker 2: digit rounds, you know into the double where you see
[36:16] Speaker 2: that like giant pocket of quarterbacks go, you're probably double
[36:20] Speaker 2: tapping frequently in a lot of drafts, and you're probably
[36:22] Speaker 2: going and that's you're doing that more frequently if you
[36:24] Speaker 2: don't get Josh Allen, if you don't get Lamar Jackson,
[36:27] Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, I noticed this, like
[36:29] Speaker 2: fortunately pretty early on and like what my portfolio was
[36:32] Speaker 2: looking like. But I was like, man, I like these
[36:34] Speaker 2: running backs and wide receivers in this.
[36:36] Speaker 1: Range, but I'm not getting them. Yeah, I'm not getting them.
[36:39] Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my gosh, I gotta stop doing
[36:41] Speaker 2: this because now all of a sudden, like my Kenneth
[36:43] Speaker 2: Gainwell exposure or my Jonathan Brook's exposure when I love Brooks,
[36:46] Speaker 2: I love the Brooks bet this year, right and I'm worthy.
[36:49] Speaker 6: Or Pittman or pearstill like whoever they are.
[36:52] Speaker 2: For you exactly, and like that, all of a sudden,
[36:54] Speaker 2: you're like, holy crap, I don't I don't have the
[36:56] Speaker 2: right mix of players right now, just because I'm not
[37:00] Speaker 2: doing that other thing. And so there's other ways of
[37:02] Speaker 2: getting round, like if you want to full fade Josh
[37:03] Speaker 2: Allen or if that's like what your mission is this year,
[37:07] Speaker 2: just keep that in mind, like keep that part in mind,
[37:09] Speaker 2: you know.
[37:10] Speaker 6: And that's why I say it's it's shortsighted to fade
[37:12] Speaker 6: Josh Allen because it doesn't realize like what we're diving
[37:15] Speaker 6: into in the more deep it deeper, like you know,
[37:17] Speaker 6: exposure questions here, like to me, Okay, Cale Williams, Drake
[37:22] Speaker 6: May it feels like we're maybe we're crowning them a
[37:25] Speaker 6: little bit early, or maybe we're undervaluing them whatever. Like
[37:28] Speaker 6: to me, they feel like, I'm confused why Jackson Darti's
[37:31] Speaker 6: four rounds cheaper than them who had a bunch of good,
[37:35] Speaker 6: fancy games runs the ball. But I simply am gonna
[37:38] Speaker 6: take them sometimes just to get exposure to them. And
[37:41] Speaker 6: so to your point, I'm now taking more of the
[37:45] Speaker 6: whatever running back, wide receivers, tight ends in that round
[37:49] Speaker 6: eight through nine, and I don't want to be the
[37:51] Speaker 6: guy every eight and nine. This is where I get
[37:53] Speaker 6: my quarterbacks because that's what's best for advance rate. It's
[37:55] Speaker 6: like you're not thinking about how do you win.
[37:58] Speaker 1: H It's a difference between doing a lot of drafts
[38:00] Speaker 1: and two drafts, you know. For like like if I
[38:02] Speaker 1: was doing if I was doing like a volume, yeah
[38:05] Speaker 1: right right.
[38:06] Speaker 2: If I'm doing five best ball drafts, I'm probably okay, Like.
[38:10] Speaker 6: Hey, get you home to you guys, Yeah Jersey.
[38:13] Speaker 2: You have yeah, right right, that's my pocket at quarterbacks.
[38:16] Speaker 2: I'll get those there, and I'll do that in all
[38:17] Speaker 2: five drafts. But if you're listening to this and you're
[38:19] Speaker 2: doing fifty plus one hundred plus, you know, two hundred
[38:22] Speaker 2: plus teams then and drafts. Then I would advise to probably,
[38:26] Speaker 2: you know, mix up the strategy portion of things, and
[38:30] Speaker 2: I would argue it might even like lean quarterback more
[38:34] Speaker 2: than the other strategies because even when you go zero RB,
[38:38] Speaker 2: and even when you go robust RB, you at least
[38:41] Speaker 2: can like, like, you know, you're getting five plus six
[38:44] Speaker 2: plus of a certain position, usually right of the running
[38:48] Speaker 2: back and wide receiver, but like a quarterback you're getting
[38:50] Speaker 2: two or three, And so if you're not getting one
[38:53] Speaker 2: at that point in time, then you're you're you're running
[38:56] Speaker 2: the risk of then them drying out.
[38:58] Speaker 1: And you're not happy.
[38:59] Speaker 2: So like you're you're feeling worse to get them in
[39:00] Speaker 2: that range, and so like like you can at least
[39:03] Speaker 2: get those other running back and wide receivers in round nine,
[39:06] Speaker 2: in round ten if you go zero RB or if
[39:08] Speaker 2: you go robust RB, But if you're going non early
[39:11] Speaker 2: round quarterback all the time, then then you're really running
[39:14] Speaker 2: into a wall in terms of not getting exposure to
[39:16] Speaker 2: those players.
[39:17] Speaker 6: So, yeah, it doesn't feel good when you take Josh
[39:19] Speaker 6: Allen and then quarterbacks start falling past ADP. But what
[39:23] Speaker 6: happens way more, especially on DK, is like you take
[39:26] Speaker 6: Josh Allen and then three Drafters take four quarterbacks, and
[39:29] Speaker 6: now you're like, oh my god, I'm sitting pretty with
[39:31] Speaker 6: great value. I just spent like a third or fourth whatever.
[39:35] Speaker 6: All I got to fade is like, you know, Ted
[39:38] Speaker 6: McMillan or Buka or someone like this being the guy
[39:41] Speaker 6: you need this year. But I'm able to take my
[39:44] Speaker 6: QB two not stress it while other people are taking
[39:47] Speaker 6: now Aaron Rodgers in the tenth round because they're they're
[39:51] Speaker 6: reacting to what the room is doing.
[39:54] Speaker 2: One of the big talking points that I've you know,
[39:56] Speaker 2: I like. I talked to Davis a little bit about
[39:58] Speaker 2: this on his show. He seemed to not be nearly
[40:02] Speaker 2: as concerned this year about Week seventeen. In Week seventeen matchups,
[40:05] Speaker 2: at least compared to previous seasons. Is that something that
[40:09] Speaker 2: you have started to fade more or is it something
[40:11] Speaker 2: that you're leaning into more? How are you looking at
[40:13] Speaker 2: Week seventeen?
[40:14] Speaker 6: Week seventeen remains important to me. I have not really
[40:18] Speaker 6: changed how I approach it. I do not force it
[40:21] Speaker 6: in every single draft. There are some drafts where I
[40:23] Speaker 6: simply take guys who I think are good bets. However,
[40:27] Speaker 6: that also kind of ties into like me just trying
[40:31] Speaker 6: to pick individual gems from Week seventeen games. I like,
[40:34] Speaker 6: like I want a piece of Jaguars commanders. I want
[40:37] Speaker 6: a piece of Cowboys giants. So even when I'm not
[40:39] Speaker 6: doing a full game stack, I'm still Week seventeen is
[40:42] Speaker 6: still top of mind because I believe it's very important. Yeah,
[40:45] Speaker 6: and there are lots of teams where I try to
[40:47] Speaker 6: get a lot of Week seventeen mini correlation breaking ties,
[40:52] Speaker 6: and most of the teams I've won contests with have
[40:54] Speaker 6: had something like ten to twelve plus players week seventeen
[40:59] Speaker 6: mini correlation, And it's another good way just to vary
[41:01] Speaker 6: your bets, like right, so it's like you have Jaden Reid, Oh,
[41:05] Speaker 6: I take Jayden Higgins instead of Jalen Coker because they
[41:08] Speaker 6: play Week seventeen things like that.
[41:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of how I've approached it as well.
[41:13] Speaker 2: I mean it helped me, Like I feel like, once
[41:15] Speaker 2: you experience it at helping you too. Anecdotally You're like, Okay,
[41:20] Speaker 2: I see this, right, Like I see this, and that's
[41:22] Speaker 2: what it like it did for me last year in
[41:23] Speaker 2: Week seventeen it's like I get, like you can. You
[41:25] Speaker 2: can fully understand and grasp why you're making those correlated
[41:29] Speaker 2: bets in that week, because obviously that's the money week
[41:32] Speaker 2: and you set, you're sitting.
[41:33] Speaker 6: And there's simply some years there's going to be games
[41:35] Speaker 6: you have to have right to win, and that's not
[41:37] Speaker 6: guarant some it could be that there's a bunch of
[41:40] Speaker 6: evenish games, yeah, and you could get there a lot
[41:43] Speaker 6: of ways, but more often than that, there's going to
[41:45] Speaker 6: be a game you need. And also, although the finals
[41:48] Speaker 6: field is big about a thousand players, you do not
[41:51] Speaker 6: need a ninety nine point ninety nine percentile outcome. You
[41:54] Speaker 6: do not need to beat a million entrants, even though
[41:56] Speaker 6: there's a million entrants in the contest, need to be
[41:59] Speaker 6: twelve twelve and then a thousand and so maybe you
[42:03] Speaker 6: can win with a top eighty five percentile team, and
[42:07] Speaker 6: correlating is an easier way to do that versus picking
[42:11] Speaker 6: random players and saying that you have the hand of
[42:14] Speaker 6: God and you're picking the nuts. Yeah, it is what
[42:16] Speaker 6: you're trying to do if you're trying to beat a
[42:18] Speaker 6: million entrants, not a thousand, right.
[42:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. We haven't talked about tight end very much.
[42:23] Speaker 2: Are you in or out on elite tight end this year?
[42:26] Speaker 6: It's a very interesting question. And again I would ask you, like,
[42:30] Speaker 6: is elite tight end only mcbrideen Bowers?
[42:32] Speaker 1: Is it down too lovely to you?
[42:34] Speaker 2: We can put Loveland in there, and even even if
[42:36] Speaker 2: you want to even go to Warren if you want
[42:38] Speaker 2: to talk about him.
[42:39] Speaker 6: So it's an interesting question to me because Okay, yes
[42:42] Speaker 6: I'm drafting them, especially McBride, who falls to the third round.
[42:48] Speaker 6: Like I kind of like some offenses who just have
[42:51] Speaker 6: like I call it the stink, like the Cardinals stink,
[42:54] Speaker 6: the Jets stink, the Brown stink, like people are too
[42:57] Speaker 6: confident that these teams stink. Yeah, yeah, they're probably not
[43:00] Speaker 6: going to be great, But you're also getting a discount
[43:04] Speaker 6: on the players because of this. And so I do
[43:07] Speaker 6: want Bowers, McBride, Loven simply because you might need them,
[43:11] Speaker 6: and it gives you the flexibility to do weirder lineup constructions,
[43:15] Speaker 6: like you can take Bowers and only one other tight
[43:18] Speaker 6: end and then just have extra shots at running back
[43:21] Speaker 6: or wide receiver.
[43:23] Speaker 1: At the same time.
[43:24] Speaker 6: Though I really like this, Dalton Kincaid, Travis Kelce, godd
[43:28] Speaker 6: or Ferguson range and then even cheaper. I think the
[43:32] Speaker 6: chig Juwan, Breton Strange, Kenyan Sadik, this type of range
[43:36] Speaker 6: is reasonable, and of course at the end of the
[43:38] Speaker 6: draft you even have like the Mika Sicki's Pat Fryarman,
[43:40] Speaker 6: Like there's a lot of Every single year, there's a
[43:44] Speaker 6: lot of tight ends to sell yourself on. There are
[43:47] Speaker 6: going to be years you need an elite tight end
[43:49] Speaker 6: to win, So I do mix it up. Like if
[43:52] Speaker 6: I was just trying to advance teams, I would pass
[43:55] Speaker 6: on them because I do think more likely than not,
[43:58] Speaker 6: at elite tight end is worse for your advance rates
[44:01] Speaker 6: for best ball because you know you're passing on elite
[44:05] Speaker 6: running backs and wide outs. And it's very easy to
[44:08] Speaker 6: take three random guys and cobble together twelve points a week, right,
[44:13] Speaker 6: But I'm trying to win. So do I think Holston
[44:15] Speaker 6: Lovelin could be the guy you need against the Lions
[44:17] Speaker 6: Week seventeen?
[44:18] Speaker 1: I do?
[44:19] Speaker 6: Do I think Bowers could be the guy you need?
[44:20] Speaker 5: I do?
[44:21] Speaker 1: Do I think McBride could be the guy you need?
[44:23] Speaker 1: I do?
[44:23] Speaker 6: And also like, hey, if they're just averaging twenty points
[44:26] Speaker 6: a game or something, PPR. That helps for advance rates too,
[44:29] Speaker 6: So it's kind of like it's a win win where
[44:31] Speaker 6: it's like if they're bad for advancing, they're going to
[44:33] Speaker 6: be more unique. If they're good for advancing, cool, I'm
[44:36] Speaker 6: advancing more teams, so I'm always into elite tight end.
[44:39] Speaker 6: But yeah, there's a lot of guys to like throughout there.
[44:42] Speaker 2: So in those in those early rounds, is there a
[44:45] Speaker 2: pick that you're going to be heaviest on this year
[44:47] Speaker 2: that you that you look at and you and you
[44:49] Speaker 2: feel there's mentally.
[44:51] Speaker 6: Common helple, I feel in my bones. One I'll go.
[44:55] Speaker 6: You know, I guess early. What are we calling early?
[44:58] Speaker 6: We calling early? Round five plus round three plus, let's
[45:01] Speaker 6: go a three plus? Okay, round three plus, let's go
[45:04] Speaker 6: with Jeremiah Love. Okay, to me, dude, one third in
[45:08] Speaker 6: the draft, I understand, it's a worse draft class than normal,
[45:12] Speaker 6: but this is the cheapest we've had a generational running
[45:14] Speaker 6: back prospect ever, be in a market where running backs
[45:19] Speaker 6: are more expensive than ever. So to me, that's just
[45:21] Speaker 6: like a close your eyes and let the chips falls.
[45:24] Speaker 2: They may.
[45:24] Speaker 6: I'll bet on the ultra talented guy while everyone else
[45:28] Speaker 6: is just saying Cardinals have to stink.
[45:30] Speaker 1: Probably has a.
[45:30] Speaker 6: Tough schedule during the regular season, but once he gets
[45:33] Speaker 6: to the playoffs, he has a pretty tasty schedule, culminating
[45:38] Speaker 6: with the Raiders week seventeen. So even if it's kind
[45:41] Speaker 6: of tough sledding, especially on DK where it's PPR, I
[45:44] Speaker 6: just like his ability to get catches. I like his
[45:47] Speaker 6: ability to be a home run hitter. It's a running
[45:49] Speaker 6: back bet. I actually like And it seems kind of
[45:52] Speaker 6: crazy to me that you can go like Love in
[45:55] Speaker 6: the it he'll fault to the end of the third.
[45:57] Speaker 6: Sometimes it's crazy Love there, and then within a round
[46:01] Speaker 6: you got Javonte Williams, which is like or you know,
[46:05] Speaker 6: it's like.
[46:05] Speaker 1: Kind of an inspiring player.
[46:07] Speaker 6: Yeah, just like plotters like, yeah, you're trying to get
[46:10] Speaker 6: fifteen points a game, like Jeremiah Love is a swing
[46:12] Speaker 6: at true league winning upside even though his team is
[46:15] Speaker 6: not good.
[46:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that pick.
[46:17] Speaker 2: What about some some players that you're looking at late
[46:21] Speaker 2: in drafts that that you I feel like, I don't know.
[46:23] Speaker 2: I talked to to Crane about this a little bit.
[46:25] Speaker 2: I've mentioned this on the show. In general, it feels
[46:28] Speaker 2: like a weaker year in the late rounds right now.
[46:32] Speaker 1: Now.
[46:32] Speaker 2: It could just be I'm living in the moment right
[46:35] Speaker 2: now and it's June, and more players are going to
[46:38] Speaker 2: emerge and we're going to feel better about them when
[46:39] Speaker 2: we start to understand situation a little bit more. But
[46:42] Speaker 2: you know, Crane brought it up, and I agree with
[46:43] Speaker 2: them where it's like, also, this rookie class is not
[46:46] Speaker 2: that strong, it's not very deep, and so all of
[46:49] Speaker 2: a sudden, you know you don't have the same like
[46:52] Speaker 2: Day two wide receiver bets that.
[46:53] Speaker 1: You usually feel good about.
[46:54] Speaker 2: There weren't as many day day two running backs either,
[46:58] Speaker 2: that would push players down, and then you get better
[47:01] Speaker 2: rookies late.
[47:01] Speaker 1: Then do you agree? Maybe you disagree?
[47:03] Speaker 2: And then are you are there any players that you're
[47:05] Speaker 2: you're drafting frequently late right now?
[47:07] Speaker 6: Okay, So i'd actually I disagree in a sense where
[47:11] Speaker 6: from a certainty angle may be true, but you know,
[47:15] Speaker 6: late round picks are always certain. But I'm gonna list
[47:18] Speaker 6: some names here, and we know what these guys can be.
[47:21] Speaker 6: So I actually think it's an incredibly unique year where
[47:25] Speaker 6: we are potentially drafting league winners and I'm gonna say
[47:28] Speaker 6: Tank Dell Brandon, IU Tyreek Hill, these types of guys
[47:34] Speaker 6: who were like, they're not all all of them are
[47:37] Speaker 6: not thirty five right, Like they're young, they're coming off injury,
[47:41] Speaker 6: they have varying degrees of whatever going on, Travis Hunter.
[47:44] Speaker 6: So we're drafting ultra talented guys late in drafts and
[47:50] Speaker 6: in June, in May. I'm into it. I'm into risking
[47:54] Speaker 6: the zero for what Brandon au could be on the
[47:57] Speaker 6: Commanders Tyreek Kill. That one's a little tougher for me
[48:00] Speaker 6: because I do have some of him, but still it
[48:03] Speaker 6: just seems like he's like super injured. So I'm taking
[48:06] Speaker 6: the risk on these guys, and it's not gonna feel
[48:09] Speaker 6: good if they're all zeros. I'm not doing it in
[48:11] Speaker 6: every draft, but I'm generally interested in doing the tank.
[48:15] Speaker 6: I especially at Yuke. Like I'm in on the Ayuke thing.
[48:18] Speaker 6: I know, I know it can be bad. I feel
[48:22] Speaker 6: like we're gonna get Like how I think it's gonna
[48:24] Speaker 6: go is he's gonna show up in August, get cut
[48:27] Speaker 6: and signed to the Commanders and it's Terry and Brandon
[48:31] Speaker 6: Ayuk for the Commanders. You know, Yeah, And I don't
[48:33] Speaker 6: know how healthy is Like, I'm not a doctor. I'm
[48:35] Speaker 6: not grinding his Instagram videos, but I think he's gonna
[48:39] Speaker 6: play man.
[48:39] Speaker 1: And none of that.
[48:40] Speaker 2: But I I think, you know, this is something that
[48:42] Speaker 2: that I've definitely played into more when when you when
[48:46] Speaker 2: you draft more teams and stuff. But like the CLV
[48:49] Speaker 2: that you can get on some of these guys that
[48:52] Speaker 2: are more ambiguous, right that we know, like Stefan Diggs
[48:55] Speaker 2: is like like, well, like we saw with Keenan Allen
[48:58] Speaker 2: last year, I like that a lot, you know, like
[49:00] Speaker 2: it's this idea that Keenan Allen last season was a
[49:03] Speaker 2: free agent.
[49:04] Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, he.
[49:05] Speaker 6: Didn't even say Dobbins JK Dobbins. I was smashing this
[49:08] Speaker 6: time of year. But because people were like, oh, is
[49:10] Speaker 6: he gonna sign right and.
[49:12] Speaker 2: And you know, like Dobbins found a good spot and
[49:13] Speaker 2: he rose a lot, and then Alan, the initial instinct
[49:17] Speaker 2: with him was like, Ah, this isn't like the greatest
[49:19] Speaker 2: spot in the world for Keenan Allen to thrive even
[49:21] Speaker 2: still as adp went up like five rounds, you know,
[49:24] Speaker 2: so like it feels like that's going to happen with
[49:26] Speaker 2: each of these guys when they I mean like imagine
[49:30] Speaker 2: if I you signed with a Command or you know,
[49:32] Speaker 2: gets traded or something.
[49:33] Speaker 1: Where will he go? Like, legit, where will he go?
[49:35] Speaker 1: In drafts?
[49:35] Speaker 6: I think he's gonna go, Like if we get a
[49:38] Speaker 6: positive reports, he's probably going around like the DK Metcalf
[49:41] Speaker 6: Chris Godwin range, right, like, yeah, I got to go
[49:45] Speaker 6: there day one, but yeah, right, like it could it
[49:47] Speaker 6: could gradually get to that point.
[49:49] Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, like that would be peak.
[49:51] Speaker 6: People would be like, oh okay, And so I don't
[49:54] Speaker 6: know if I really want to be doing that, and
[49:56] Speaker 6: so I'm happy to take And again I don't want
[49:59] Speaker 6: every single team have potentially dead a yuke on it.
[50:02] Speaker 6: But I think you're kind of silly if you're a
[50:05] Speaker 6: volume drafter not drafting them because to me, like when
[50:08] Speaker 6: I first started playing basketball, I think one of the
[50:10] Speaker 6: worst feelings in the world for me personally would be
[50:14] Speaker 6: only drafted in August and knowing that there's seventeenth around
[50:17] Speaker 6: Brandon I you teams on out there that I don't
[50:20] Speaker 6: get a chance to get. Yeah, like I would, I'd
[50:23] Speaker 6: be like, I don't.
[50:24] Speaker 5: I don't like that, you know, and.
[50:26] Speaker 2: It might it might not work right, it might not
[50:28] Speaker 2: pan out, but that's the that's the expected value, you
[50:31] Speaker 2: know equation. You're running through in your head whenever you're
[50:34] Speaker 2: whenever you're making that pick.
[50:35] Speaker 6: And ultimately a couple of zeros are not going to
[50:38] Speaker 6: kill you anyway. So it's like if I use the
[50:41] Speaker 6: zero and I've built a team, especially a team that maybe,
[50:44] Speaker 6: like you know, there's different sides of coin, for like,
[50:47] Speaker 6: what's a good time of year to go RB heavy
[50:49] Speaker 6: zero RB? I would say early, Like right now is
[50:53] Speaker 6: a good time to go RB heavy because you don't
[50:55] Speaker 6: have to weigh through the uncertainty, Like you don't have
[50:57] Speaker 6: to weigh through the uncertainty of like, oh is it Johnson?
[51:00] Speaker 5: Is it?
[51:01] Speaker 6: Nick Singleton, is it? Emmanuel Wilson is whatever? Like, Yeah,
[51:06] Speaker 6: on the other side of the coin, it can be
[51:07] Speaker 6: a good time to go zero RB because Saquon Barkley
[51:11] Speaker 6: tears his ACL two weeks from now, where's Tank Bigsby
[51:15] Speaker 6: going in drafts? Right? Like we know he's gonna be
[51:18] Speaker 6: a third round pick, so that will not feel good
[51:21] Speaker 6: not having exposure to that when he was a eighteenth
[51:25] Speaker 6: round pick or whatever. So yeah, like, and we've had
[51:28] Speaker 6: like people are very reactive to what's worked in the
[51:31] Speaker 6: past and bad at adding context, We've had very healthy
[51:35] Speaker 6: off seasons for running backs in particular for a couple
[51:39] Speaker 6: of years running now, and that eventually is not going
[51:42] Speaker 6: to be the case. Yeah, yeah, at least to this
[51:44] Speaker 6: degree for sure.
[51:45] Speaker 2: All Right, before I let you go, give me a
[51:48] Speaker 2: fire tick, give me, give me, give me, give me
[51:50] Speaker 2: a bold proclamation about what could go down here.
[51:53] Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six.
[51:54] Speaker 6: Okay, I got two for you, Okay, Jaguar Smith and
[51:58] Speaker 6: Jigba Parker Washington top twelve wide receiver this year.
[52:04] Speaker 1: There we go Brock Purty MVP.
[52:08] Speaker 6: With Mike Evans coming in with ten plus touchdowns thirteen
[52:13] Speaker 6: hundred plus yards. I like both these bets, Mike Evans,
[52:17] Speaker 6: Parker Washington. The Washington one is just like, I look
[52:21] Speaker 6: at what he did last year, and having watched those games,
[52:24] Speaker 6: the dude was legit torching people.
[52:26] Speaker 1: Oh okay, amazing.
[52:28] Speaker 6: Great, So people could say it was because of Brian
[52:30] Speaker 6: Thomas Junior was hurt and Hunter was hurt. All true,
[52:34] Speaker 6: but also the dude is legit good in my opinion,
[52:36] Speaker 6: and I just don't see him going from what he
[52:38] Speaker 6: was doing, including the real NFL playoffs, to being a
[52:42] Speaker 6: stone zero. So sure I want to be taking Brian
[52:45] Speaker 6: Thomas Junior as well in case, it was all injury
[52:49] Speaker 6: and Brian's we get back this Brian Thomas junior rookie
[52:53] Speaker 6: year thing, and then the Mike Evans thing is like
[52:55] Speaker 6: last year. I tweeted out, like, people don't understand Matt
[52:59] Speaker 6: Stafford could win the MVP this year, and this was
[53:02] Speaker 6: during him going in and out of the cryo chamber.
[53:05] Speaker 6: And why do I feel that way? I felt that
[53:07] Speaker 6: way because Devanta Adams was in town, and that is
[53:10] Speaker 6: a whole other calculus. Mike Evans coming to the forty
[53:13] Speaker 6: nine ers gives me just different feel like this could
[53:16] Speaker 6: be the year where Perdy just throws a you know,
[53:19] Speaker 6: six red zone touchdowns to Mike Evans on top of
[53:21] Speaker 6: what he'll usually get. You got questionable talent around Mike Evans.
[53:26] Speaker 6: We don't know what Kittle will be, We don't know
[53:29] Speaker 6: when Kittle will play. CMC is getting older, We don't
[53:32] Speaker 6: know how good Ricky Pearsall is. I do believe Purdy
[53:35] Speaker 6: is good, and I believe in Big Mike if he
[53:37] Speaker 6: stays healthy, could legit smash.
[53:41] Speaker 1: Yeah. I like it. I like it. Liam, This is great.
[53:44] Speaker 2: Let everyone know where they can find you, your YouTube channel,
[53:47] Speaker 2: where you're drafting all that.
[53:49] Speaker 6: Yeah, you can search me up on YouTube, Liam Murphy.
[53:51] Speaker 6: I am not the runner in college. I am or
[53:54] Speaker 6: the guy with the dogs. They have more subs than me,
[53:57] Speaker 6: but I do best of all, and Beatbastball dot com
[54:01] Speaker 6: is where I do my fantasy football write ups and whatnot.
[54:05] Speaker 1: Awesome.
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[54:07] Speaker 2: the members hub, the Draft guide, pre order that thing
[54:10] Speaker 2: that's going to be live on July tenth, a little
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[54:19] Speaker 1: Otherwise, everyone, thanks for tuning in.

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