# More People, but Less Hardship?

An episode of [Science Talk](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/122384595), 25 Sep 2018, 28 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/SAM7899323571.mp3?updated=1702506202

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation CEO Sue Desmond-Hellmann talks about the just-issued Goalkeepers Report, tracking progress against poverty and disease even as the population keeps rising. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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