# Defending the Castle When the Moats Are Drained

An episode of [2Bobs—with David C. Baker and Blair Enns](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1219490591), 19 Nov 2025, 31 min.

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One characteristic of our industry is disappearing moats. After a brief overview of the fourteen moats we've lost from 1965 to today, we'll look at what turf we really have left to defend and what the future will look like if we get this right. It'll be very different, and you'd better get ahead of it.

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