# SE Radio 665: Malcolm Matalka on Developing in OCaml with Zero Frameworks

An episode of [Software Engineering Radio - the podcast for professional software developers](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/120906714), 23 Apr 2025, 56 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/seradio/665-malcolm-matalka-developing-ocaml-open-frameworks.mp3?dest-id=23379

Malcolm Matalka, founder of Terrateam, joins host Giovanni Asproni to talk about the reasoning behind choosing a not-so-widespread language (OCaml) and (almost) totally avoiding frameworks for the development of Terrateam. While discussing the reasons for choosing this specific programming language and the advantages and disadvantages of using external frameworks, they also consider a range of related topics, including static vs. dynamic typing, the use of monorepos, and the advantages of choosing a single language that can be used both for web front ends and server back ends. The episode ends with lessons learned that can be applied to other contexts and projects. Brought to you by IEEE Computer Society and IEEE Software magazine.

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