# The Extraterrestrial Message - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 9/8/26

An episode of [The Best of Coast to Coast AM](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1206175991), 9 Sep 2026, 19 min.

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George Noory and author Richard Lawrence explore his research into alien contact on Earth, his own experience channeling psychic messages from benevolent extraterrestrials, and the aliens' plans for UFO disclosure and world peace. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
[0:05] Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norrie with you,
[0:08] Speaker 2: Richard Lawrence with us, an internationally respected spiritual teacher, psychic medium,
[0:12] Speaker 2: award-winning international best-selling author, and one of the world's leading
[0:16] Speaker 2: authorities on UFOs and their spiritual message. He has researched
[0:21] Speaker 2: UFOs for more than four decades. and was the first
[0:25] Speaker 2: to bring declassified CIA and Pentagon UFO files to Britain
[0:29] Speaker 2: in 1980. Richard, welcome back. How have you been?
[0:32] Speaker 3: I've been great, George. I was just trying to work
[0:35] Speaker 3: out how long, you know, when I first appeared with you,
[0:37] Speaker 3: I think it's over 20 years ago, you know.
[0:39] Speaker 4: It's been a long time. Where'd the time go, Richard?
[0:42] Speaker 4: Where'd it go?
[0:43] Speaker 3: I don't know, but you sound as if you're well.
[0:45] Speaker 4: I'm doing okay. Doing okay, my friend.
[0:48] Speaker 5: Good.
[0:48] Speaker 4: Watching the years go by, but staying healthy.
[0:51] Speaker 6: Well done. Great. Likewise.
[0:54] Speaker 4: Richard, did you know our friend, the late Nick Pope?
[0:57] Speaker 2: I did.
[0:57] Speaker 3: I mean, I'm, I came across him. I wasn't like
[1:00] Speaker 3: close to him, but of course, actually I spoke to
[1:03] Speaker 3: him on his first day at the ministry of defense.
[1:07] Speaker 3: And I said to him, I said, look, do you
[1:09] Speaker 3: believe in UFOs? Cause he took over, as you might know,
[1:11] Speaker 3: the UFO department, which existed then it was called secretariat
[1:15] Speaker 3: air too, I think. And I was in touch with
[1:18] Speaker 3: them already cause I've been campaigning forever on this. Um,
[1:22] Speaker 3: Almost since my teens, I'd say, almost. But anyway, I
[1:26] Speaker 3: spoke to him. I said, Nick, do you believe in UFOs?
[1:30] Speaker 3: And he said, not particularly. You know, I've just been
[1:34] Speaker 3: moved into this department. So I said, well, you will.
[1:38] Speaker 3: And sure enough, he made a career of it later.
[1:40] Speaker 4: You were exactly right. I miss that guy.
[1:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he stuck his neck out. You know, he
[1:47] Speaker 3: went so far. But like the government, all the government,
[1:52] Speaker 3: all this disclosure, I mean, I was doing disclosure, as
[1:54] Speaker 3: you mentioned in the intro, like 40 years ago when
[1:57] Speaker 3: it was laughed at, completely ruled out by most people.
[2:01] Speaker 3: But now, I mean, it's great to see it happening,
[2:04] Speaker 3: but we need to move beyond disclosure. And we need
[2:08] Speaker 3: to go to the next step, which is why they're here.
[2:12] Speaker 3: How can we cooperate with them?
[2:14] Speaker 4: Who are they?
[2:16] Speaker 1: Exactly.
[2:16] Speaker 4: How did you get involved in all of this?
[2:19] Speaker 3: Strangely enough, I was not looking particularly for UFOs. I
[2:25] Speaker 3: was looking for the purpose of life, inverted commas. And
[2:29] Speaker 3: that was an overriding thing with me since the age
[2:32] Speaker 3: of 14. So I'm not alone in that. But for me,
[2:35] Speaker 3: it was everything. And I tried various things. I was
[2:39] Speaker 3: at a school which was very Christian. It was a
[2:42] Speaker 3: very church school. And I was thinking of being a priest.
[2:46] Speaker 3: And I don't wish to offend anyone at all when
[2:48] Speaker 3: I say this, but I didn't find that they could
[2:52] Speaker 3: answer some of my questions. I respect all religions, but
[2:55] Speaker 3: I didn't get the answers I was seeking, which was
[2:58] Speaker 3: really disappointing to me then. In fact, I walk around
[3:01] Speaker 3: Canterbury Cathedral. If you've heard of that, that's where I
[3:04] Speaker 3: went to school. which is like the main cathedral in England,
[3:09] Speaker 3: in tears. I was very disappointed. I mean, simple questions like,
[3:12] Speaker 3: for example, if Jesus is the one and only way,
[3:16] Speaker 3: what happened to people who were born before Jesus and
[3:21] Speaker 3: weren't given by God the one and only way? And
[3:25] Speaker 3: the person I was asking was the dean of the cathedral.
[3:28] Speaker 3: He's like the number two in the church there. because
[3:32] Speaker 3: the main archbishop in England is the Archbishop of Canterbury.
[3:36] Speaker 3: And he couldn't, you know, when you're 14, you can
[3:38] Speaker 3: see when you're being BS, you can see when someone's
[3:41] Speaker 3: not really leveling with you. And he didn't know. And
[3:45] Speaker 3: that was just one of the questions. Another one was
[3:46] Speaker 3: about life after death. So then I got onto my search.
[3:51] Speaker 3: I came across, I got very interested in Eastern religion,
[3:54] Speaker 3: which was very trendy then. I was at university and,
[3:56] Speaker 3: you know, the Beatles had been to a few years earlier,
[4:00] Speaker 3: but they'd been over to the Maharishi and there's meditation.
[4:03] Speaker 3: And so it was quite trendy, but for me, it
[4:05] Speaker 3: wasn't a trendy thing. I was really looking for the
[4:08] Speaker 3: meaning of it. And I found a lot of great
[4:10] Speaker 3: truths in the yoga field. I still do. And through that,
[4:14] Speaker 3: I came across Dr. King, who was a master of yoga, Dr.
[4:18] Speaker 3: George King, but was also a UFO contactee. And one
[4:23] Speaker 3: thing led to another, and I've devoted my life to that.
[4:27] Speaker 4: When did the channeling start for you?
[4:30] Speaker 3: So I was, I mean, if I think back to,
[4:34] Speaker 3: you know, I, and again, I'm, this isn't unique because
[4:37] Speaker 3: I've done so many sort of phone-ins in England where
[4:40] Speaker 3: people have phoned in just about psychic things. Cause my
[4:43] Speaker 3: bestselling book is, is unlock your psychic powers. It's not
[4:47] Speaker 3: my best book. I don't think, but certainly my bestselling internationally.
[4:51] Speaker 3: So I've done a lot of calls where I, so-called
[4:54] Speaker 3: ordinary people, people who wouldn't say they were psychic at all,
[4:58] Speaker 3: are phoning in and saying, well, look, this happened to me,
[5:01] Speaker 3: that happened to me. And these are psychic experiences that
[5:04] Speaker 3: everyday people are having. I'm sure there's people listening to
[5:07] Speaker 3: this show. Well, I guarantee there are people listening to
[5:10] Speaker 3: this show who've had psychic experiences, but some of them
[5:13] Speaker 3: will be people who don't really regard themselves as psychics,
[5:17] Speaker 3: but they're still having them. So that sort of thing
[5:20] Speaker 3: was happening to me in my childhood. But I set
[5:23] Speaker 3: out actually using the crystal ball, not because of its
[5:27] Speaker 3: sort of the connotations we think of it, but more
[5:30] Speaker 3: as a sort of Taoist symbol of the void in
[5:35] Speaker 3: which everything exists. To me, it was that. And I
[5:38] Speaker 3: started doing that, I would say, in my very early 20s.
[5:42] Speaker 3: And then that led to me being able to give
[5:45] Speaker 3: psychic readings. I gave hundreds of psychic readings in those days.
[5:50] Speaker 3: And This led to me channeling, long story short. But
[5:54] Speaker 3: what I have found out about channeling is number one,
[5:56] Speaker 3: it's very difficult to do properly. It's very difficult. Now,
[6:00] Speaker 3: a lot of channelers won't say that. And if they
[6:03] Speaker 3: don't find it difficult, if they never found it difficult,
[6:07] Speaker 3: I don't think they are reliable channels. I'm sorry to
[6:11] Speaker 3: offend anyone, but I think this is something where you've
[6:14] Speaker 3: got to have powers of concentration above the average to
[6:19] Speaker 3: do it properly. And I was lucky, again, I learned
[6:22] Speaker 3: a lot from Dr. King, who was a master of yoga,
[6:25] Speaker 3: who'd practiced yoga for eight hours a day for 10
[6:27] Speaker 3: years before he sort of declared himself as an extraterrestrial medium.
[6:34] Speaker 3: And so my own journey has been one of, you know,
[6:39] Speaker 3: progressively advanced in people, but from this earth, but on
[6:46] Speaker 3: very high realms indeed. And most recently this year, John
[6:51] Speaker 3: of Patmos, who was the Saint John who gave the
[6:57] Speaker 3: book of Revelation. That was absolutely amazing experience. But again,
[7:02] Speaker 3: I don't believe he's extraterrestrial. That Saint, there's another Saint
[7:05] Speaker 3: John who was the disciple of Jesus, of course. I
[7:09] Speaker 3: believe he's from this earth, but I have managed of
[7:12] Speaker 3: late to channel very advanced individuals from very high realms
[7:19] Speaker 3: of this earth And this is the point, the more
[7:23] Speaker 3: advanced the medium, the higher the caliber of the intelligence
[7:29] Speaker 3: that they can channel. That gets missed a lot too
[7:31] Speaker 3: by channelers. And it makes sense because you're gaining a rapport.
[7:37] Speaker 3: And to gain a rapport with the communicating intelligence, you
[7:40] Speaker 3: have to be on the same mental level, approximately anyway,
[7:45] Speaker 3: during the time of that message being received. And if
[7:48] Speaker 3: you aren't able to reach that level, you won't be
[7:52] Speaker 3: able to channel that level of intelligence.
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[9:24] Speaker 2: Richard, when you get into the mode to channel, how
[9:27] Speaker 2: do you put yourself in that situation?
[9:31] Speaker 3: Well, as I mentioned, I use yoga practices. I use
[9:35] Speaker 3: deep breathing exercises very much and other things such as
[9:39] Speaker 3: mantra meditation. what you might call meditation but what you
[9:44] Speaker 3: are doing when you're channeling of course is you are
[9:47] Speaker 3: receiving so i mean i run courses on on psychic
[9:51] Speaker 3: development a lot and you know i have not so
[9:54] Speaker 3: much as i used to but i still do i'm
[9:56] Speaker 3: running a retreat this month up in the north of England.
[9:58] Speaker 3: But you have to sort of put your mind in
[10:02] Speaker 3: a receptive mode. Now, this is where concentration is vital.
[10:07] Speaker 3: Because if you can't do that and maintain a certain
[10:12] Speaker 3: level of concentration at the same time, then your imagination
[10:16] Speaker 3: will kick in. And then you'll start to imagine things
[10:21] Speaker 3: which aren't channeling. They're coming from you and not from the...
[10:24] Speaker 3: And this is very, very common, sadly. And this is
[10:29] Speaker 3: why you have so many channels who contradict each other
[10:33] Speaker 3: about extraterrestrials. So they can't all be right if they're
[10:36] Speaker 3: contradicting each other.
[10:38] Speaker 2: How do you know you're channeling something that is benevolent
[10:42] Speaker 2: as opposed to something that is not?
[10:45] Speaker 3: Well, that's a great point, actually. So this is where
[10:48] Speaker 3: the spiritual level of the medium is vital. So you
[10:53] Speaker 3: have to be– first of all, you've got to have discrimination.
[10:57] Speaker 3: You've got to recognize– now, I will give an example.
[11:00] Speaker 3: Some years ago, I got a message from someone who was–
[11:09] Speaker 3: This is going to sound really strange. I don't want
[11:13] Speaker 3: to be rude to this person who's on another realm,
[11:15] Speaker 3: not this one. But I didn't particularly like the vibration
[11:18] Speaker 3: of them. But another guide said to me, take the message.
[11:23] Speaker 1: And so I did.
[11:25] Speaker 3: And the message was a good one. It was a
[11:28] Speaker 3: basic one, but it was a good one. It was
[11:30] Speaker 3: a kind of a religious, basic religious one, but good. Now,
[11:36] Speaker 3: I'm only giving that as an example because you have
[11:38] Speaker 3: to be mindful of the vibration, the energies around. And
[11:44] Speaker 3: if that other guide hadn't advised me to take it,
[11:46] Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done. Now, it turned out the person
[11:49] Speaker 3: who delivered that, I don't think I've ever said this
[11:51] Speaker 3: on radio before, was in a group or band or
[11:56] Speaker 3: whatever you call it, which I didn't know really well
[11:58] Speaker 3: at all, called Run DMC. And this surprised a lot
[12:04] Speaker 3: of people, but it was quite a christian thing i
[12:07] Speaker 3: didn't know anything about them but all i can say
[12:09] Speaker 3: is i took the message down it's in one of
[12:11] Speaker 3: my books god's guides and guardian angels just after i
[12:15] Speaker 3: got it though i probably within half an hour i
[12:19] Speaker 3: got a phone call from a dj in england whose
[12:24] Speaker 3: shows i appeared on fairly often in those days on
[12:26] Speaker 3: stations um called mike allen passed on now it's quite
[12:31] Speaker 3: well known in london um What I didn't know, though,
[12:35] Speaker 3: was that he was the person who brought Run DMC
[12:39] Speaker 3: to the UK. So I was able to ask him.
[12:43] Speaker 3: So I just read the message to him and he said, well,
[12:46] Speaker 3: that actually is a message for two people because you've
[12:49] Speaker 3: got overlapping voices in the way that's delivered. Well, of course,
[12:53] Speaker 3: I then found out that Run DMC had two rappers
[12:57] Speaker 3: working one after another. Anyway, I've digressed a long way
[13:00] Speaker 3: from your question, which is, So that wasn't interference. But
[13:04] Speaker 3: you do have to be very mindful of dark force intelligences, of,
[13:13] Speaker 3: you know, that kind of energy. And you can detect
[13:15] Speaker 3: it because you're not going to lose control. Now, where
[13:18] Speaker 3: it's dangerous, and it is dangerous, and Dr. King used
[13:22] Speaker 3: to say, you know, it's safer to pitch a tent
[13:24] Speaker 3: on the freeway. Yeah. You know, if you just give
[13:31] Speaker 3: over your mind, if you enter what you might call
[13:33] Speaker 3: a negative trance where you don't have any control at
[13:36] Speaker 3: all and you just give over to a communicating intelligence,
[13:40] Speaker 3: you're wide open then for interfering intelligences. And there are
[13:45] Speaker 3: many of them, unfortunately, sadly, on lower realms who want
[13:50] Speaker 3: to cause confusion, particularly in the UFO movement and will
[13:53] Speaker 3: claim to be from the Pleiades or Syria or wherever
[13:56] Speaker 3: it might be. and will give perhaps a sort of
[14:00] Speaker 3: high-sounding message, but all their real intent is to delude
[14:04] Speaker 3: the medium and a lot of other people who might
[14:07] Speaker 3: follow that medium.
[14:09] Speaker 2: At what point, Richard, did your channeling crossover the UFO investigations?
[14:17] Speaker 3: Well, funny enough, when I was first bringing out UFO information,
[14:22] Speaker 3: I did get a number of communicators who were had
[14:27] Speaker 3: been connected in their lives to this. So some of
[14:32] Speaker 3: them I hadn't heard of, actually. And their names elude
[14:35] Speaker 3: me now. But there was a person, well, two well-known.
[14:39] Speaker 6: People, actually.
[14:40] Speaker 3: One was Winston Churchill.
[14:42] Speaker 4: Wow.
[14:43] Speaker 3: And he had, as I found out later, because records
[14:48] Speaker 3: were released under the Public Records Act, been lied to
[14:52] Speaker 3: by government officials. in the Ministry of Defense. He tried
[14:56] Speaker 3: to find out what flying saucers were. They called them
[14:59] Speaker 3: flying saucers then, I think in 1952, I believe. And
[15:04] Speaker 3: he'd had a whole, it's all been published now, a
[15:07] Speaker 3: lot of nonsense given back to him by the Admiral
[15:11] Speaker 3: of the Fleet or the Lord High Admiral or somebody
[15:14] Speaker 3: had passed him a lot of cover-up nonsense. So then
[15:18] Speaker 3: I learned something which has come out actually recently in
[15:21] Speaker 3: disclosure in America, that just because you're prime minister or
[15:25] Speaker 3: even president, it doesn't mean you're being told the truth
[15:28] Speaker 3: by the deep state. So what Winston Churchill wanted to
[15:32] Speaker 3: do was let it be known that he himself had
[15:38] Speaker 3: been lied to, that he wasn't covering up, but he
[15:42] Speaker 3: didn't know.
[15:42] Speaker 1: So that was one.
[15:44] Speaker 3: And another one, which is quite surprising, was Pope John XXIII.
[15:51] Speaker 3: And I do think that he had been approached possibly
[15:56] Speaker 3: by extraterrestrials. I think he might've had some regrets, but anyway,
[16:00] Speaker 3: you know, that he hadn't taken it further. But anyway,
[16:03] Speaker 3: he too was in a situation of control and of
[16:06] Speaker 3: cover up. And I don't think the Pope was kind
[16:09] Speaker 3: of in charge of the Vatican really. And now we know,
[16:14] Speaker 3: now we know, of course, even in the last five
[16:17] Speaker 3: years that the Vatican actually had a crashed UFO, which
[16:22] Speaker 3: was sent over to America. So this is, decades before
[16:25] Speaker 3: a lot of these disrevelations are coming out.
[16:28] Speaker 4: How did you come across information like that, Richard?
[16:33] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, those two were cases of
[16:37] Speaker 3: early channeling. And I think they were interested in me, actually,
[16:40] Speaker 3: because of what I was doing. I do remember one occasion, actually,
[16:44] Speaker 3: when I was going to do a TV show. And
[16:46] Speaker 3: this was in the early 80s. And I was up
[16:48] Speaker 3: against a really difficult chap who won't be known in America,
[16:52] Speaker 3: but he's very well known here. So Patrick Moore was
[16:54] Speaker 3: his name. And he was a massive debunker of UFOs.
[16:58] Speaker 3: He was an astronomer. And he actually said that he
[17:02] Speaker 3: didn't believe there was life anywhere in the universe other
[17:05] Speaker 3: than this Earth. Now, of course, no astronomer would say that.
[17:09] Speaker 3: But in those days, they did. So I was kind
[17:12] Speaker 3: of younger. I was in my 20s. I was going
[17:15] Speaker 3: to appear with him. I was quite nervous, really, because
[17:18] Speaker 3: he was a very intellectual man. And I got a
[17:22] Speaker 3: message the night before from Winston Churchill, I do remember,
[17:27] Speaker 3: and he said, I will be in the wings. This
[17:29] Speaker 3: was the message, you know, tomorrow. They were interested in
[17:33] Speaker 3: getting the truth out, maybe because they thought they should
[17:35] Speaker 3: have got more truth out when they were here. I
[17:38] Speaker 3: don't know. Anyway, went along to the TV studio. There
[17:44] Speaker 3: in the wings, this sounds absurd, was a massive photograph
[17:49] Speaker 3: of Winston Churchill.
[17:51] Speaker 6: Literally.
[17:53] Speaker 3: And that's because the item before me was a vote
[17:56] Speaker 3: by the audience on who is your favorite Britain in history.
[18:01] Speaker 3: And the person who won was Winston Churchill. So when
[18:04] Speaker 3: I walked onto stage to do this interview, the whole
[18:09] Speaker 3: audience was really crying out the name Winston Churchill, because
[18:14] Speaker 3: that's who they'd voted for. And I walked out and
[18:16] Speaker 3: did the UFO interview with this astronomer. And I did
[18:19] Speaker 3: demolish him, really. which isn't usual because, in fact, so
[18:26] Speaker 3: much so that he refused to appear with me ever again,
[18:29] Speaker 3: which I took as a great compliment.
[18:31] Speaker 1: Wow. Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight
[18:37] Speaker 1: at 1 a.m. Eastern and go to coasttocoastam.com for more.

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