# Hauntings - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 9/23/26

An episode of [The Best of Coast to Coast AM](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1206175991), 24 Sep 2026, 20 min.

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George Noory and psychic medium Victoria Gross discuss her paranormal investigations of haunted sites around the country and in Southern California, the importance of proper training when dealing with ghosts and spirits, and why places of tragedy are often haunted by spirits. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
[0:05] Speaker 2: And welcome back. George Norrie with you. Victoria Gross with us. Psychic, medium,
[0:09] Speaker 2: and paranormal investigator. She's the author of the book Ghosts
[0:12] Speaker 2: of Orange County and featured in the Ghost of Hollywood
[0:14] Speaker 2: book series by Maria Brooks. Victoria was also the story
[0:18] Speaker 2: producer on the television series My Ghost Story and the
[0:22] Speaker 2: show An Unknown Encounter. Tonight we talk about Hauntings worldwide
[0:27] Speaker 2: on Coast to Coast. Victoria, welcome to the program.
[0:30] Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me. It's good to be here.
[0:34] Speaker 2: This is your first time on the show ever, isn't it?
[0:37] Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
[0:39] Speaker 2: Are you a regular listener?
[0:41] Speaker 3: Yes, I am. I've been listening to Coast to Coast,
[0:44] Speaker 3: I remember, probably since the 90s.
[0:48] Speaker 2: It goes way back to the Art Bell days.
[0:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, right. It was right after Art Bell, yeah.
[0:54] Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit more about you and your background.
[0:57] Speaker 3: Well, my background is I am a psychic and a
[1:00] Speaker 3: medium and paranormal investigator. I was the story producer on
[1:05] Speaker 3: My Ghost Story, the first two specials and the first season,
[1:10] Speaker 3: and then the story producer on Case Files Unknown, which
[1:14] Speaker 3: aired on Destination America in 2015. And I started not.
[1:22] Speaker 3: I started my psychic work probably about 40 years ago,
[1:26] Speaker 3: not realizing that's what I was going to be doing.
[1:31] Speaker 3: I was looking for a church, and I just moved
[1:33] Speaker 3: to Corona here in California, and I found a church
[1:38] Speaker 3: called Corona Light. And I thought, well, that's good. It's
[1:40] Speaker 3: the name of a beer. I'll go there. And it
[1:42] Speaker 3: was a great spiritualist church. So that's what started me
[1:46] Speaker 3: in my training doing psychic work. I do palmistry, crystal gazing, tarot,
[1:54] Speaker 3: and I also teach different things on metaphysics.
[1:57] Speaker 2: That's fantastic. And how did you key in on Ghosts
[2:01] Speaker 2: of Orange County out there in California?
[2:06] Speaker 3: I was featured in Marla Brooks' book series, The Ghosts
[2:10] Speaker 3: of Hollywood, the three books. And so... Schiffer, publisher, contacted
[2:16] Speaker 3: me to do a book on Orange County because there
[2:19] Speaker 3: were so many different places. And a lot of the
[2:23] Speaker 3: stories in the book were my own, but I have
[2:25] Speaker 3: also used other people and, of course, given them credit
[2:30] Speaker 3: with that, their stories.
[2:33] Speaker 2: How many ghosts are in Orange County, Victoria?
[2:36] Speaker 3: Oh, I think there's a lot. I think there's a
[2:40] Speaker 3: lot of ghosts everywhere. You know, my Being a paranormal investigator,
[2:45] Speaker 3: I was really blessed to work with some wonderful groups.
[2:49] Speaker 3: The first group I worked with was Rob Wodowski, who
[2:54] Speaker 3: is an archaeologist. And to be honest, I wasn't really
[2:58] Speaker 3: interested in hunting for ghosts. He's an archaeologist, and so
[3:03] Speaker 3: we would just do... these old homes and just like
[3:11] Speaker 3: Rosemary Clooney's home and just different places that we could
[3:15] Speaker 3: go into. And being an antique dealer, I always loved
[3:18] Speaker 3: the antique part of it. And so part of the
[3:22] Speaker 3: joke was after a while, they would send me in
[3:24] Speaker 3: first just to get that out of my system because
[3:26] Speaker 3: I'm looking at all the old tiles and everything. And
[3:30] Speaker 3: then I go back and look for the ghost. So
[3:33] Speaker 3: with With that, you know, it just got my interest
[3:37] Speaker 3: more into working on these paranormal investigations, but also hearing
[3:45] Speaker 3: the stories of people for my book. And when we
[3:49] Speaker 3: were doing the shows, hearing those stories, because everybody has
[3:53] Speaker 3: a ghost story if they know it or not. So
[3:56] Speaker 3: in Orange County, L.A. County, we have a lot.
[4:00] Speaker 2: In your paranormal investigations, what is the strangest story you've
[4:06] Speaker 2: come across?
[4:10] Speaker 3: Well, I would say the strangest would be from one
[4:14] Speaker 3: of the shows that I was a producer on. And
[4:19] Speaker 3: that would have been the Ghost That Scream that we
[4:22] Speaker 3: did on Destination America. Barry Conrad is the creator of
[4:26] Speaker 3: that show. And I worked with him on that. And
[4:30] Speaker 3: that was a story that came out of Minneapolis from
[4:33] Speaker 3: a psychic, Echo Bodine. and a police officer, Brian Coyle.
[4:38] Speaker 3: This happened in 1984. And this is where, and it's
[4:42] Speaker 3: all over the internet now, where you can actually see
[4:46] Speaker 3: the image of the spirit of the boy after he
[4:50] Speaker 3: was killed in a car accident. I think that was
[4:53] Speaker 3: probably the most unsettling story that I've ever done. And
[4:59] Speaker 3: we have so many photographs that were taken by the
[5:03] Speaker 3: police officer. And at that time, there was no computer.
[5:07] Speaker 3: These were all developed by the police lab. So they
[5:11] Speaker 3: weren't forged or faked or anything like that. But they
[5:14] Speaker 3: were really incredible, incredible photographs. And I think of a
[5:20] Speaker 3: spirit that left the body at the time of the accident.
[5:24] Speaker 3: So I think that would be one of the most
[5:28] Speaker 3: heartwarming about stories I worked on. As far as an investigation,
[5:33] Speaker 3: one of the most kind of creepiest stories, I have two.
[5:39] Speaker 3: One was the Hollywood Wax Museum, but the first one
[5:42] Speaker 3: was at the Plummer Auditorium in Fullerton, California. It was
[5:48] Speaker 3: with Rob's group. And what we did, we were doing
[5:51] Speaker 3: an experiment because we had previously done an investigation at
[5:57] Speaker 3: a mortuary in Pasadena that was now being used as
[6:01] Speaker 3: an office. And these people were wondering why they were
[6:04] Speaker 3: so tired all the time. It was like, well, it
[6:07] Speaker 3: was a no brainer. It's a mortuary. So we took
[6:11] Speaker 3: the EVP from that. And when we were doing an
[6:15] Speaker 3: investigation at the Plummer Auditorium in Fullerton, we thought, OK,
[6:20] Speaker 3: let's play the EVP from the mortuary to see if
[6:24] Speaker 3: there's anything that's going to change because the plumber is
[6:26] Speaker 3: also very haunted in its own way. So we were
[6:29] Speaker 3: sitting up in the balcony and. And as we're playing
[6:34] Speaker 3: the EVP, you could just hear, you could just sense
[6:37] Speaker 3: the whole vibration of the place changed and it got
[6:40] Speaker 3: very heavy. And then all of a sudden over the
[6:44] Speaker 3: balcony wall, a hand just appeared just for a split
[6:48] Speaker 3: second and then it was gone. So that was pretty,
[6:53] Speaker 3: I thought, interesting, you know, and a little scary also.
[6:58] Speaker 2: What have you concluded, Victoria, about what all this is
[7:01] Speaker 2: and what it means?
[7:03] Speaker 3: Well, I think it means a lot of different things
[7:06] Speaker 3: because there's so many different types of hauntings. There's so many,
[7:10] Speaker 3: you know, we've got your residual haunting, which is like
[7:13] Speaker 3: a video tape recorder. You know, the famous story of
[7:18] Speaker 3: the woman walking down the stairs in a white dress
[7:21] Speaker 3: at nine o'clock every night in a haunted place. That
[7:24] Speaker 3: would be your video recording of an incident, maybe a tragic,
[7:29] Speaker 3: a very traumatic incident that happened there that is imprinted
[7:34] Speaker 3: into the ethers. And then you have your intelligent hauntings,
[7:38] Speaker 3: which would be, you know, the actual spirit. And then
[7:42] Speaker 3: your portals of different places that would be opening to
[7:46] Speaker 3: different dimensions. And then your egregores or thought forms. And
[7:51] Speaker 3: those are, Those kind of hauntings, I call them also
[7:58] Speaker 3: bottom feeders because when a person dies, and I'm talking
[8:04] Speaker 3: about extreme, extreme addiction. then if they're not able to
[8:09] Speaker 3: cross over, they still need to feed off of the
[8:12] Speaker 3: living for their addiction. So that is, well, that's more
[8:17] Speaker 3: of the bottom feeder where a thought form is generated
[8:21] Speaker 3: by the atmosphere. There was a video I saw a
[8:25] Speaker 3: number of years ago on a protest. And out of
[8:30] Speaker 3: the protest, there was a black cloud that just rose
[8:36] Speaker 3: up and just swirled around. Now, that would be an egregore,
[8:39] Speaker 3: a thought form. Because that's from all the anger and
[8:44] Speaker 3: the frustration of that whole massive crowd with create that
[8:49] Speaker 3: thought form. But people can create thought forms just by having, again,
[8:56] Speaker 3: extreme addictions or, you know, extreme negativity, anything that's really
[9:02] Speaker 3: on the lower level of consciousness.
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[9:10] Speaker 5: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who's eight,
[9:15] Speaker 5: almost nine years old now, was suffering with Not just
[9:19] Speaker 5: one or two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak
[9:22] Speaker 5: of warts all over his body. So significant it impacted
[9:24] Speaker 5: his ability to really function.
[9:27] Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to write.
[9:30] Speaker 6: It was Ty's book actually that got me thinking about it.
[9:33] Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immunomodulator. And so
[9:37] Speaker 1: I can see that it would work.
[9:39] Speaker 5: And so at what point did you see that there
[9:41] Speaker 5: was actually improvement? Is it really going to work?
[9:44] Speaker 6: Well, look, we really started to notice it around 12
[9:46] Speaker 6: weeks later. you can see these things actually getting smaller
[9:50] Speaker 6: and smaller and then going down to where they're just
[9:53] Speaker 6: little red marks.
[9:54] Speaker 1: The whole things are gone.
[9:54] Speaker 6: And we're talking about once you know one the size
[9:57] Speaker 6: of a walnut i thought no way that's gonna wow
[10:00] Speaker 6: it's just been miraculous to see him get.
[10:02] Speaker 1: Into a pair of shoes yes How wonderful.
[10:05] Speaker 6: It's great to see him so happy and confident.
[10:08] Speaker 5: Absolutely wonderful.
[10:09] Speaker 1: Our friends that have seen it, they're just blown away.
[10:11] Speaker 2: Ty, this is awesome.
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[10:35] Speaker 2: Were you always a believer?
[10:40] Speaker 3: Well, I think so, but I can't say that I
[10:45] Speaker 3: was interested in ghost or even the psychic part. I'm,
[10:51] Speaker 3: Looking back, it explains my life. In fact, I just
[10:54] Speaker 3: reconnected a number of years ago with my childhood neighbor
[10:58] Speaker 3: who And she said, don't you remember when we were seven,
[11:01] Speaker 3: you would read everybody's palms on the porch?
[11:04] Speaker 2: That's seven years old. And I'm like, I.
[11:08] Speaker 3: Don't remember that. Or I would play, you know, witch
[11:12] Speaker 3: under the tree. And then come to find out many
[11:15] Speaker 3: years later, my ninth great grandmother, Margaret Scott, was hung. Actually,
[11:20] Speaker 3: it was yesterday, the anniversary, as one of the witches
[11:22] Speaker 3: in Salem. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
[11:26] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[11:26] Speaker 3: You know, I can't say I was psychic all my life,
[11:29] Speaker 3: but looking back at my life as a child, yeah,
[11:35] Speaker 3: it makes sense. And I had a UFO experience that
[11:39] Speaker 3: I didn't even know what it was until many years
[11:43] Speaker 3: later when I was speaking with someone else. But I was...
[11:47] Speaker 3: Just coming home from church, it was in the evening
[11:51] Speaker 3: and I was just laying down in the back seat
[11:54] Speaker 3: and all of a sudden I saw a beautiful gold
[11:58] Speaker 3: and purple gyroscope, very small, just following the car through
[12:04] Speaker 3: the window. And I'm just watching this follow all the
[12:09] Speaker 3: way home. And I don't know what this was. And
[12:11] Speaker 3: I never mentioned it until many years later. So I've
[12:15] Speaker 3: had these wonderful experiences not knowing what they were.
[12:20] Speaker 2: We're talking with Victoria Gross about hauntings. Her website is
[12:23] Speaker 2: linked up at coasttocoastam.com, tied to her book, Ghosts of
[12:27] Speaker 2: Orange County. These investigations that you conduct, do you bring
[12:33] Speaker 2: any special equipment with you?
[12:36] Speaker 3: I don't personally, but, you know, if I'm working with
[12:39] Speaker 3: the team, I've worked with Rob's team and North Orange
[12:41] Speaker 3: County Paranormal Society. They have their all their equipment, you know,
[12:47] Speaker 3: their cameras and their EMS and thermometers. So they all
[12:52] Speaker 3: bring the equipment. But I personally don't bring anything. I
[12:56] Speaker 3: just bring myself. You know, I may bring a pendulum
[12:59] Speaker 3: at times sometimes. And I have worked with the Ouija board,
[13:02] Speaker 3: which I'm okay doing. But usually, if I'm just out
[13:07] Speaker 3: on an investigation, I'm just going to be going in
[13:11] Speaker 3: not knowing anything about what it is I'm investigating and
[13:15] Speaker 3: just using my senses on that.
[13:19] Speaker 2: What have you concluded, Victoria, about what the spirit world
[13:23] Speaker 2: might be?
[13:23] Speaker 3: Oh, I think it might be a lot of different things.
[13:27] Speaker 3: It just depends. You know, I've always been taught, and
[13:30] Speaker 3: this is how I feel, that when we pass over,
[13:35] Speaker 3: our level of consciousness is where we're going to be. And,
[13:39] Speaker 3: you know, I think there's different layers. And it has
[13:43] Speaker 3: been my experience when people have died all of a sudden.
[13:51] Speaker 3: It has been my experience that I have seen them
[13:53] Speaker 3: in a hospital room on the other side because there
[13:56] Speaker 3: are people that do take care of them. There's nurses,
[14:00] Speaker 3: there's hospital rooms because they have to adjust to the
[14:06] Speaker 3: different dimensions. You know, I don't think we just die
[14:09] Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, we're there. I think we go
[14:12] Speaker 3: through different layers, so depending on our consciousness. But my
[14:17] Speaker 3: experiences have shown me that, especially if people have died tragically,
[14:24] Speaker 3: there are people on the other side that do help
[14:26] Speaker 3: them to adjust to their new surroundings. So it may
[14:30] Speaker 3: take more time for some people and it may not
[14:33] Speaker 3: for others.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Do you believe, Victoria, in evil spirits?
[14:39] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was always taught, you know, just because
[14:43] Speaker 3: they're dead doesn't mean they're smart or nice, you know.
[14:47] Speaker 3: I think we have to be really cautious when we're
[14:51] Speaker 3: working with the paranormal that we do need to be
[14:55] Speaker 3: trained in whatever way that may be. I've been trained
[14:59] Speaker 3: as a medium at the Arthur Finley College, at the
[15:04] Speaker 3: church that I went to. I do believe that there
[15:08] Speaker 3: are the evil spirits. Now, I think so much has
[15:12] Speaker 3: been brought out like everything's a demon, and I don't
[15:15] Speaker 3: believe that. I think there are demons, but I think
[15:20] Speaker 3: if most people encountered them, they would be running the
[15:24] Speaker 3: other way. Not everything is a demon. You've got your
[15:27] Speaker 3: lower thought forms. You've got your egregores. You've got a
[15:31] Speaker 3: lot of lower entities. So, yeah. If there are bad
[15:36] Speaker 3: people here, they're going to be bad people there. So
[15:39] Speaker 3: we do need to know the terrain that we're walking
[15:42] Speaker 3: into just to go over and say, oh, I want
[15:45] Speaker 3: to do an investigation without even knowing anything or working
[15:50] Speaker 3: as a medium. You know, it can be very dangerous.
[15:53] Speaker 3: So it's nothing to really poo-poo or go in without
[15:59] Speaker 3: some type of education and knowledge of what we're doing.
[16:04] Speaker 2: Have you ever found yourself in a situation that you figured,
[16:07] Speaker 2: I better get out of this right now?
[16:11] Speaker 3: Yes. And, you know, that goes to really, it was
[16:17] Speaker 3: someplace here in Southern California a long time ago, and
[16:20] Speaker 3: it was a very creepy place. And how this does
[16:24] Speaker 3: affect us is that, yeah, you know, I did get
[16:27] Speaker 3: out of there, and some of the people that I
[16:29] Speaker 3: was with, we left. But I didn't know until a
[16:35] Speaker 3: couple weeks later because I got really depressed after that.
[16:39] Speaker 3: I just... It was hard to sleep. I got depressed.
[16:42] Speaker 3: And I even had a friend of mine tell me,
[16:44] Speaker 3: she goes, God, there's something wrong with you. I just
[16:47] Speaker 3: feel something really negative about you. And I'm like, well, thanks.
[16:50] Speaker 3: That makes me feel better. And then I was talking
[16:54] Speaker 3: to another medium that had also been on that same investigation.
[16:58] Speaker 3: And she was saying the same thing. And we're like, oh,
[17:01] Speaker 3: my gosh, no matter how much we protect herself or
[17:04] Speaker 3: say our prayers, things do happen. So we do have
[17:09] Speaker 3: to be aware of how it can affect us, definitely.
[17:16] Speaker 2: Have you ever been confronted by the devil?
[17:19] Speaker 6: No.
[17:23] Speaker 3: Worked with a couple in Hollywood, but not besides that.
[17:27] Speaker 3: But nothing evil?
[17:29] Speaker 2: I would say.
[17:36] Speaker 3: I felt evil around me, but not confronted by the devil.
[17:43] Speaker 3: I think I have a strong protection around me that,
[17:47] Speaker 3: you know, and I'm not one to really get off
[17:51] Speaker 3: on going into really gruesome places, you know, like, I mean.
[17:58] Speaker 3: I don't even want to go up to Alcatraz or anything.
[18:01] Speaker 3: I just don't try to get into those kind of environments,
[18:05] Speaker 3: though I wouldn't shy away if it was for a
[18:10] Speaker 3: legitimate reason. But just to go into a creepy environment,
[18:14] Speaker 3: it's like, you know what? Hey, you know, I work
[18:19] Speaker 3: in L.A. I work on Ventura Boulevard. We get a
[18:22] Speaker 3: lot of stuff there. So, you know, I have my
[18:25] Speaker 3: fill in this world. And so I try to maintain
[18:31] Speaker 3: not having that in this world and not having that
[18:34] Speaker 3: in the other world. But yeah, I mean, there is
[18:37] Speaker 3: evil and we do need to be aware of that.
[18:41] Speaker 2: Why would you say that in places of turmoil like Gettysburg,
[18:46] Speaker 2: where lots died during the Civil War, that it tends
[18:50] Speaker 2: to be haunted?
[18:53] Speaker 3: Well, you know, you've got so many people that died there.
[18:58] Speaker 3: And when we were doing my ghost story, we did
[19:01] Speaker 3: a really good clip. One of the guests that we
[19:04] Speaker 3: had had taken footage and it was like soldiers just
[19:09] Speaker 3: walking across the field. Now, were they the actual spirits
[19:14] Speaker 3: or was it more of the residual? So I think
[19:18] Speaker 3: when there is so much trauma that you're going to
[19:20] Speaker 3: get a lot of residual energy there. Because I think
[19:25] Speaker 3: it makes a ripple in the ethers. That's the only
[19:28] Speaker 3: way that I can explain it. It makes a ripple
[19:31] Speaker 3: in the ethers. So that trauma, and that was extreme
[19:34] Speaker 3: trauma with thousands of people, that it does stay. And
[19:42] Speaker 3: this footage that we saw from our guests when Barry
[19:46] Speaker 3: and I were doing my ghost story was really incredible.
[19:50] Speaker 3: incredible because you could just see them walking through the field.
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