# The Paranormal - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 8/21/26

An episode of [The Best of Coast to Coast AM](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1206175991), 22 Aug 2026, 19 min.

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Guest host Ryan Wrecker and paranormal investigator Chris Fleming discuss supernatural encounters with spirits from other realms, how to convince skeptics of the existence of ghosts, and stories of a soldier hearing demonic voices, and his own emotions while seeing the spirit of his dead father in the hospital during a medical emergency. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
[0:05] Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker.
[0:08] Speaker 2: Thank you for the emails, and I see some of
[0:10] Speaker 2: the questions coming in. I'll try to get to them.
[0:12] Speaker 2: Chris Fleming is her guest. Chris, you're kind of freaking
[0:15] Speaker 2: me out a little bit some of the things you're
[0:17] Speaker 2: describing here. I'm almost glad in a way that I've
[0:21] Speaker 2: never experienced it, and I don't want to. In a
[0:25] Speaker 2: way some of the things you're describing, I don't know
[0:27] Speaker 2: how I would handle it. Maybe we can fast forward
[0:31] Speaker 2: because you were talking about what it was like as
[0:33] Speaker 2: a kid as an adult. Do you have any messages
[0:37] Speaker 2: do you think people from the afterlife, or these ghosts
[0:41] Speaker 2: or whatever they may be, whatever you think they may be,
[0:43] Speaker 2: are trying to relay onto us. What are the messages
[0:47] Speaker 2: or any wisdom do you think we can take away
[0:49] Speaker 2: from this that we might be able to learn from it?
[0:53] Speaker 3: Well, where there's so many, because every one of them
[0:55] Speaker 3: is just like us. I mean, they've got a whole history,
[0:57] Speaker 3: a past, a trauma, and emotion, loved one or an attachment.
[1:02] Speaker 3: But the one thing is that, you know, I know
[1:06] Speaker 3: we're taught. I mean, I was raised Catholic and everything,
[1:08] Speaker 3: and I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, I
[1:10] Speaker 3: believe in all that I've had experiences. That's whole other story.
[1:13] Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is is that there
[1:15] Speaker 3: are these voids, there are these places in between. It's
[1:19] Speaker 3: not just Heaven Hell. There are these places that spirits
[1:23] Speaker 3: go that we don't fully understand that the Creator is
[1:26] Speaker 3: playing a part, because the Creator experiences everything through us.
[1:30] Speaker 3: What happens to a lot of these spirits is there's attachments.
[1:33] Speaker 3: Some type of attachment keeps them here. Okay, it could
[1:35] Speaker 3: be a trauma, can be an emotion, could be a location.
[1:38] Speaker 3: But then also there are certain spirits that they've lost
[1:41] Speaker 3: someone or they've had something happen and they didn't fulfill
[1:44] Speaker 3: it within that life. Yet they're given this quick mission,
[1:48] Speaker 3: like a voice tells them, and they go help somebody
[1:51] Speaker 3: like Harry. And not Harry, but Henry is in the
[1:54] Speaker 3: late eighteen hundreds in Boston and he was a import
[1:58] Speaker 3: exporter and his wife and kids got some type of plague.
[2:01] Speaker 3: They died. He was really upset. He was mad at
[2:03] Speaker 3: God for that. He got sick, he died, he said,
[2:06] Speaker 3: always remembers he goes into this void and hears this voice,
[2:10] Speaker 3: and this voice said to listen for another voice calling
[2:13] Speaker 3: for you. And all of a sudden, he said, he
[2:14] Speaker 3: heard my voice. And then so here he is that
[2:17] Speaker 3: dies in late eighteen hundreds, and he shows up at
[2:19] Speaker 3: what was in nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy three in
[2:22] Speaker 3: my living room, and he was called upon because he
[2:25] Speaker 3: was in this void, but there was no there's no
[2:27] Speaker 3: distance in anything between time and the spirit world. So
[2:31] Speaker 3: he showed up to communicate with me. And because of
[2:34] Speaker 3: him being a friendly ghost, so to speak, is I
[2:37] Speaker 3: learned a lot from him, which prepared me for what
[2:40] Speaker 3: came when the infestation came. Now there's other ghosts that
[2:43] Speaker 3: I'll just try to they don't care, they're jerks. Still
[2:45] Speaker 3: just try to. It's just like people. People play jokes
[2:47] Speaker 3: on one another. Some people don't want to be bothered,
[2:49] Speaker 3: they want to be annoyed. I mean, I've been to
[2:50] Speaker 3: so many houses around the world investigating, and there's some
[2:53] Speaker 3: ghosts like just leave us alone, you know, like, what
[2:55] Speaker 3: are you doing here? This is my house? And they
[2:57] Speaker 3: don't realize that they've passed because there's still holding on
[3:00] Speaker 3: to that. Now, perception is the biggest thing. You look
[3:04] Speaker 3: at near death experiences. I've had near death out of
[3:06] Speaker 3: bout experiences. I've studied those as well. Is that souls
[3:09] Speaker 3: when they leave the body, is they go wherever their
[3:13] Speaker 3: thoughts are. Sometimes it's curiosity, or sometimes it's like they're afraid,
[3:16] Speaker 3: I don't want to go, I want to be here.
[3:18] Speaker 3: So it's that free will that still plays its part
[3:22] Speaker 3: within your soul when you're no longer in the physical body. Now,
[3:25] Speaker 3: there's some they're tormented by their murder or their death
[3:29] Speaker 3: or whatever it is. And even those that have done that,
[3:32] Speaker 3: they're ashamed of it. So they retreat to the darkness,
[3:34] Speaker 3: to this void, and they stay there because they're afraid
[3:37] Speaker 3: to go anywhere else. But what happens is other negative
[3:40] Speaker 3: spirits that are ancient, that are very intelligent, try to
[3:43] Speaker 3: track them down or imprison them. So there's a lot
[3:47] Speaker 3: of stuff in scripture that talks about this, and a
[3:49] Speaker 3: lot of other cultures. I've had the you know, I think,
[3:52] Speaker 3: be to God that I've had the opportunity to go
[3:54] Speaker 3: to places all over the world to investigate this. You
[3:57] Speaker 3: have ancient spirits in Jamaica and in Mexico, the illusion
[4:01] Speaker 3: the duppies that I've come in contact with when we
[4:03] Speaker 3: went investigated for weeks there, and these spirits can turn
[4:07] Speaker 3: into animals. So if a ghost is standing there, it
[4:10] Speaker 3: can also it could change its form into a rat
[4:13] Speaker 3: or into a bat. I've seen this happen and it's
[4:16] Speaker 3: like it's mind blowing. But when you think of quantum
[4:19] Speaker 3: physics and particles moving with the law of observation, when
[4:24] Speaker 3: you are a spirit in your one hundred percent consciousness,
[4:27] Speaker 3: you're not restricted to a physical vessel that's in the
[4:30] Speaker 3: three dimensional that is solid and has to deal with
[4:33] Speaker 3: time and gravity. Your consciousness can malipulate its form. That's
[4:37] Speaker 3: what a ghost is. A ghost is basically a representation
[4:40] Speaker 3: of its former self. But when they've been around for
[4:43] Speaker 3: a long period of time and they understand that this
[4:45] Speaker 3: manifestation they're making is only on a past memory and
[4:48] Speaker 3: they start using other memories or other forms, they can
[4:50] Speaker 3: turn into that. To see that in other ancient cultures
[4:53] Speaker 3: that have been around for a long time is a
[4:55] Speaker 3: very freaky thing because it's not something that I grew
[4:58] Speaker 3: up seeing then turn into animals. Here I am in
[5:00] Speaker 3: other cultures they're turning in animals. So it's just to
[5:06] Speaker 3: understand that what we're really talking about is not ghosts.
[5:10] Speaker 3: We're talking about consciousness, consciousness existing outside of the body.
[5:14] Speaker 3: We're at Waverley Hills and I captured this amazing through
[5:17] Speaker 3: using the spirit the early spirit spirit box, which was
[5:20] Speaker 3: the hackshack box Bill Chapel had when I worked with him.
[5:23] Speaker 3: He'd taken a box and radio. It's spinning around. I'm
[5:25] Speaker 3: asking the ghosts. I says, you know, do you know
[5:26] Speaker 3: your dad? And a woman says, I didn't die? And
[5:30] Speaker 3: I've got it. It's clear as day, and it's amazing
[5:32] Speaker 3: because in what she's right, you don't die your consciousness,
[5:37] Speaker 3: you know, even in scripture says there's the celestial body.
[5:39] Speaker 3: In the terrestrial body, you move into the celestial body,
[5:42] Speaker 3: which is the spirit, the soul.
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[6:04] Speaker 1: Yeah.
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[7:13] Speaker 2: Let me bring up this one email that came up,
[7:16] Speaker 2: and I think this is a good jumping off point.
[7:19] Speaker 2: One person said, basically, what you're talking about are things
[7:25] Speaker 2: that cannot be proven or disproven. So setting aside things
[7:30] Speaker 2: like bits of audio that may have been captured. Maybe
[7:33] Speaker 2: you have a recording something that could be held in
[7:37] Speaker 2: you know, and listened to and debate it, because some
[7:40] Speaker 2: people will hear those and they'll debate. Okay, maybe use
[7:42] Speaker 2: why It kind of sounds like, well, well, let me
[7:45] Speaker 2: let me ask it in this way. How can for
[7:48] Speaker 2: someone who's never had an experience, how can you prove
[7:51] Speaker 2: it to them in a way where it's evidence where
[7:54] Speaker 2: they you can say, okay, I can I can now
[7:57] Speaker 2: accept this.
[7:59] Speaker 3: Well that's different. That's based on someone's awareness and their
[8:01] Speaker 3: perception as well as their own personal beliefs. Because I've
[8:04] Speaker 3: gone through that, I've had someone that is completely skeptical.
[8:07] Speaker 3: All of a sudden, they have an experience like oh
[8:08] Speaker 3: my god, you're talking to them, No, you're really talking
[8:10] Speaker 3: to them, and they're hearing the conversation, they become a believer.
[8:13] Speaker 3: I had a father doing the psyched kids. He didn't
[8:15] Speaker 3: believe in this stuff, right, and I'm trying to tell
[8:17] Speaker 3: him this is real. You know, I had to deal
[8:19] Speaker 3: with this. My daddy tried to ignore it. You know,
[8:20] Speaker 3: please just open yourself up to allow yourself to be
[8:23] Speaker 3: perceptive to whatever's going on here. And he witnessed the
[8:27] Speaker 3: one telephone book with the pages moving by itself, and
[8:31] Speaker 3: then a door opened and close, and he said he
[8:33] Speaker 3: was sitting there watching it, and he went over there
[8:35] Speaker 3: and there's no draft, no wins. So he started having
[8:37] Speaker 3: experiences as soon as he opened himself up to this,
[8:40] Speaker 3: because it's all belief system, it's the free will. But
[8:42] Speaker 3: then you have some people they've had experiences, no matter
[8:45] Speaker 3: how many times they've had experiences, there's a fear factor
[8:48] Speaker 3: that is into play. There's an identity crisis into is
[8:51] Speaker 3: it because now the whole identity was based on a
[8:53] Speaker 3: certain religion or a certain belief and they're not able
[8:56] Speaker 3: to accept that. So it's hard for them. So it's
[8:58] Speaker 3: best for them to ignore it or just try to
[9:00] Speaker 3: debunk it in their own mind. So you're gonna have
[9:02] Speaker 3: people like that, and there's nothing wrong with it. But
[9:05] Speaker 3: the other thing too, is that people need to understand.
[9:07] Speaker 3: We talk about Paradola and all this other stuff, but
[9:09] Speaker 3: it goes way deeper than that. And I know this
[9:11] Speaker 3: because when you talk about the human brain, you know
[9:14] Speaker 3: when you look at a qEEG qeg's what it does.
[9:17] Speaker 3: It takes like a scan of the whole brain, looks
[9:19] Speaker 3: at all the different frequencies. Neuroscientists know that our brains
[9:24] Speaker 3: have thousands of different frequencies. So you can have one
[9:26] Speaker 3: hundred people in a room and everybody's on a different frequency. Okay,
[9:30] Speaker 3: you can have five people in a room. Two people
[9:32] Speaker 3: hear that sound, but the other three don't. Why because
[9:34] Speaker 3: those two people have similar brain frequencies, so they're able
[9:38] Speaker 3: to receive and recognize those frequencies when the other three aren't.
[9:41] Speaker 3: Same thing comes into play with EVPs. Okay, certain people
[9:44] Speaker 3: can hurt hear certain tones and certain frequencies. Why others can't.
[9:48] Speaker 3: That's because their brain is functioning at a specific frequency
[9:53] Speaker 3: in their body. Now, what we found is entities, especially
[9:57] Speaker 3: negative entities, can learn to figure out what your brain
[10:00] Speaker 3: frequency is. So what happens is, for example, at a
[10:02] Speaker 3: Navy seal he went to. He was in Afghanistan, he
[10:06] Speaker 3: was in Somalia. He came back. He had PTSD. Be's
[10:08] Speaker 3: hearing these voices, these demonic voices telling them to do stuff.
[10:11] Speaker 3: So I go to his house. All of a sudden,
[10:13] Speaker 3: you asked earlier, how do you feel. I can tell
[10:16] Speaker 3: when there's a negative entity. They had a really dark,
[10:18] Speaker 3: dark feeling, a heavy heaviness as soon as you walk
[10:21] Speaker 3: in the room. I was a lifeguard for years. It
[10:23] Speaker 3: feels like I'm walking through water, really thick water. Oh boy,
[10:27] Speaker 3: there's something heavy here. And because emotions negativity, hate, anger
[10:31] Speaker 3: contains heavy frequencies, so I know right now, okay, there
[10:34] Speaker 3: is something negative. So I asked him. I said, you said,
[10:36] Speaker 3: you hear these voices? Yeah, what are you hear? He says, Well,
[10:38] Speaker 3: tells me to go back to war because our guys
[10:40] Speaker 3: are getting killed. I got to go back there because
[10:42] Speaker 3: one of my Navy seals died and stuff like that,
[10:43] Speaker 3: and I feel guilty, so I want to go back.
[10:46] Speaker 3: I said, okay, So I take out my sony digital recorder,
[10:49] Speaker 3: witnessed in front of three other people. I said, the
[10:51] Speaker 3: entity that's here, I can hear you. I sent you,
[10:54] Speaker 3: but you want to tell all of us which you've
[10:56] Speaker 3: been telling him. I play it back and it says,
[11:00] Speaker 3: go dude, war. Everybody in the room freaks out except him.
[11:05] Speaker 3: He just shakes and said, Yep, that's the voice. And
[11:08] Speaker 3: everybody's like, how did you know? I said, because I've
[11:10] Speaker 3: been dealing I'm fifty nine years old, now, okay, I've
[11:13] Speaker 3: been dealing with this since I was three years old.
[11:16] Speaker 3: That's a lot of experience, no matter where I've gone
[11:18] Speaker 3: in the world. So I know, you just you go
[11:21] Speaker 3: through it so much you become just conditioned. Right. So
[11:24] Speaker 3: for me, it's like I've used the tools that we
[11:26] Speaker 3: have in the paranormal community and other things that have
[11:28] Speaker 3: never really been in the paranormal community to try to
[11:31] Speaker 3: measure these things. So now if he's telling us he
[11:34] Speaker 3: hears a voice, and he's hearing it right now, but
[11:36] Speaker 3: we don't hear it, and then we play the recorder
[11:38] Speaker 3: when we play it back, and there it is, how
[11:41] Speaker 3: do you refute that that's telling us that the frequency
[11:44] Speaker 3: that he's hearing, we're not. But the digital recorder is
[11:48] Speaker 3: going to pick up the environmental frequency that's in that room.
[11:52] Speaker 3: Digital recorders will tend to pick up more frequencies and
[11:54] Speaker 3: white noise and background noise than we can hear. So
[11:59] Speaker 3: when you play it back, when you hear that direct response,
[12:01] Speaker 3: and then you can even say, hey, what's my name?
[12:03] Speaker 3: And it says your name? And you know how many
[12:05] Speaker 3: fingers am I holding up? Says two? It says three.
[12:07] Speaker 3: We call that direct response method, which William Role had
[12:10] Speaker 3: termed years ago, is the direct response method when you
[12:13] Speaker 3: ask the entity or the spirit a specific question and
[12:16] Speaker 3: it gives you a specific response. Something I've been doing
[12:19] Speaker 3: since I was a little kid in the seventies. So
[12:22] Speaker 3: when I get that in front of someone that's hearing voices,
[12:25] Speaker 3: then that shows they're actually hearing these voices. Now, we've
[12:28] Speaker 3: been doing this for decades and the paranormal with EVPs,
[12:31] Speaker 3: sure there's things people I don't hear it. Okay, you
[12:34] Speaker 3: don't hear it because your brain's on there. Now, if
[12:36] Speaker 3: we did a QEG with your brain, my brain, everybody else,
[12:38] Speaker 3: and I've had two qeeds done in the last ten years,
[12:42] Speaker 3: is we could take a look at the brain mapping
[12:43] Speaker 3: and see what the difference is why you're not hearing that.
[12:47] Speaker 3: Then if we create a frequency that's in your brain frequency,
[12:50] Speaker 3: you're gonna hear it and we're not. So that's something
[12:53] Speaker 3: the paranormal doesn't even know that. I've studied in neuroscience
[12:56] Speaker 3: because I've been fascinated about this stuff because my dad
[12:58] Speaker 3: had CTE from playing hockey, had brain damage. I had
[13:01] Speaker 3: a TBI, so I wanted to learn about this. And
[13:03] Speaker 3: when learning this, you know, these doctors were tell me
[13:06] Speaker 3: about frequencies and stuff. I'm like, wait a minute, so
[13:08] Speaker 3: I went down that rabbit hole. Now this can explain it.
[13:12] Speaker 2: Okay, let's look at some practical applications for this. Sometimes
[13:16] Speaker 2: when couples buy a house for the first time, if
[13:19] Speaker 2: they're Catholic, they'll send a priest through it first to
[13:21] Speaker 2: kind of bless the house. Does any of that work?
[13:23] Speaker 2: Does that help maybe settle things down?
[13:26] Speaker 3: It helps with One factor is the priest has to
[13:30] Speaker 3: be a believer, has to be experienced in this stuff,
[13:34] Speaker 3: and has to have the proper intent, because we've had
[13:36] Speaker 3: some priests going they don't believe in this and it
[13:38] Speaker 3: doesn't do anything. We've had people that are not priests,
[13:42] Speaker 3: such as myself, go in there, do these prayers and
[13:45] Speaker 3: then they're gone. I had a case in Uh, it
[13:48] Speaker 3: was in Naperville. It was probably about seven years ago.
[13:51] Speaker 3: I go there. I sense these entities, their daughters seeing it.
[13:54] Speaker 3: The husband doesn't believe. I got my recorder going. He's
[13:57] Speaker 3: in the room. When we play it back and there's
[13:58] Speaker 3: the voices. He hears it in these reaked out He's
[14:00] Speaker 3: now a believer. And his daughter's telling them stuff that
[14:03] Speaker 3: I picked up because I'm asking her questions because I
[14:05] Speaker 3: know what I'm feeling and seeing her daughters saying yeah,
[14:07] Speaker 3: that's what I see, and she describes them. They're like,
[14:09] Speaker 3: how did you know that is? Because I went through
[14:11] Speaker 3: this as a kid. I know they come out of
[14:12] Speaker 3: the closet. I know what these things do. So in
[14:16] Speaker 3: that investigation, one of the ghosts there says you need
[14:21] Speaker 3: a priest, that it was not going to leave because
[14:24] Speaker 3: of me, And I said, okay, So I called Father Mike.
[14:27] Speaker 3: Father Mike was in the demon house. He's a friend
[14:28] Speaker 3: of mine. He's in Indiana. So he came with my
[14:31] Speaker 3: friend Brad, and I think they brought Father Robert as well.
[14:34] Speaker 3: They went to that house and blessed it. It was gone.
[14:38] Speaker 3: Now you might ask why is this happening? Why is
[14:40] Speaker 3: this happening? Well, next door is a funeral parlor.
[14:45] Speaker 2: Oh okay, so.
[14:47] Speaker 3: There's spirits coming and going next door?
[14:50] Speaker 2: Sure, well what about you know, I've talked to different
[14:53] Speaker 2: people about this, and they say, after death there's a
[14:56] Speaker 2: spirit guy that kind of helps guide you in a
[14:59] Speaker 2: way to try to ease you into the afterlife. The
[15:02] Speaker 2: way you're describing it, it's more of a void where
[15:05] Speaker 2: you're just basically lost until you figure out what's happening here.
[15:09] Speaker 2: So what are these people that are walking around aimlessly
[15:14] Speaker 2: that really don't know what's going on? Were they not
[15:17] Speaker 2: grabbed by a guide or how does that work?
[15:19] Speaker 3: You think? I'm writing a book called The Void, and
[15:22] Speaker 3: it's about the white room in the dark room. Okay,
[15:23] Speaker 3: the dark room's not negative. It's basically where you have
[15:26] Speaker 3: to look at your future and which path you're going
[15:28] Speaker 3: to go down. What happens is there's free will. Okay,
[15:31] Speaker 3: Like I had a near death experience in twenty ten.
[15:34] Speaker 3: I stopped breathing after a car accident. Next thing, you know,
[15:37] Speaker 3: I'm standing right in front of this guide and I'm
[15:39] Speaker 3: looking at the guide and I know where I'm at.
[15:41] Speaker 3: I mean, I read the book by Betty Edi, you know,
[15:43] Speaker 3: Daniel Brinkley spoke to him. You know all these people
[15:47] Speaker 3: I've studied near I said, oh my god, this is
[15:49] Speaker 3: I'm ready to go in. I said, right, I'm not
[15:51] Speaker 3: going back. And the Guide says, well, he goes. You know,
[15:54] Speaker 3: we kind of watched it says, no, the rule of
[15:56] Speaker 3: the universe. I'm telling the Guide this is free will.
[15:59] Speaker 3: So if I want to go back, I don't have
[16:00] Speaker 3: to go back. And he says, you know what, You're
[16:01] Speaker 3: absolutely right. So right there, and this is a whole
[16:04] Speaker 3: nother story too, but the fact right there is that
[16:07] Speaker 3: we have free will. Sometimes our time is up. Sometimes
[16:11] Speaker 3: it's not. So what happens is when the light comes,
[16:14] Speaker 3: when angels come, when guides come, or even loved ones,
[16:16] Speaker 3: they can turn themselves away and say I don't want
[16:19] Speaker 3: to go, or I'm going to stay here. I'll give
[16:21] Speaker 3: you a case in point. March twenty fifth of this year,
[16:24] Speaker 3: I had my twelfth bone marrow biopsy because I had
[16:26] Speaker 3: leukemia and I've been through it before. Well, I ended
[16:32] Speaker 3: up my brain oxygen dropped to fifty percent, almost died,
[16:36] Speaker 3: and as was what happened, they had me an emergency room.
[16:38] Speaker 3: They're trying to revive me and everything, and I'm there
[16:40] Speaker 3: and I'm listening to them and I can see them.
[16:41] Speaker 3: I'm like, I just want to go to sleep because
[16:43] Speaker 3: I'm feeling myself shift out of my body. They're like, no, no, no, no.
[16:45] Speaker 3: All of a sudden, a portal opens up. Now, that's
[16:47] Speaker 3: just this past March twenty fifth Northwestern Hospital, Downtown Chicago.
[16:50] Speaker 3: I see a portal open up. There's my dad and
[16:52] Speaker 3: some of my relatives, and my dad's like, son, if
[16:55] Speaker 3: you want to go, now, you can go. And I
[16:57] Speaker 3: start crying. I'm like, no, Dad, I don't want to go.
[17:00] Speaker 3: Oh he says, are you sure? I said yes, I said,
[17:02] Speaker 3: I'm doing music right now. I'm doing this. I just
[17:04] Speaker 3: beat cancer two years ago. I'mdad, why would I go
[17:07] Speaker 3: after a bone marrow? Bobsye? And I'm crying and the
[17:10] Speaker 3: doctors and nurses like, who are you talking to? And
[17:11] Speaker 3: I'm telling them it's recorded. It's recorded in the doc
[17:14] Speaker 3: that I saw my dad, I saw the angels, and
[17:16] Speaker 3: I saw my loved ones and I decided not to go.
[17:18] Speaker 3: It's in two doctors' reports. Okay. My point of stating
[17:22] Speaker 3: this is is that they said, okay, they closed up
[17:25] Speaker 3: and they left. I'm still here. So even in life,
[17:31] Speaker 3: and you you could look at other people that have
[17:33] Speaker 3: had near death experiences out of body, they talked to
[17:35] Speaker 3: the guides or angels, loved ones and they decided to
[17:37] Speaker 3: come back. But there are certain people sometimes well no
[17:40] Speaker 3: it's over. Your body's not in the type of condition
[17:42] Speaker 3: where you can come back. So there's the free will
[17:45] Speaker 3: that can play when there's intent and purpose involved to
[17:48] Speaker 3: come back into this life. But then also these ghosts
[17:51] Speaker 3: and spirits can get stuck here because they choose their
[17:54] Speaker 3: free will not to go. Now, what I've learned from
[17:56] Speaker 3: guides from angels and all these years that I've done demonic,
[17:59] Speaker 3: we've done de liverance and stuff with demons where demons
[18:01] Speaker 3: will sometimes hold these people here in negative entities, or
[18:04] Speaker 3: there might be another ghost, you know, lying to these
[18:07] Speaker 3: other spirits and they don't cross over. Is they have
[18:09] Speaker 3: free will. Now, the angels won't come and just take
[18:11] Speaker 3: them because they have the free will. They're like, the
[18:13] Speaker 3: time is not over for where people are getting judged
[18:17] Speaker 3: and they have to go over where everything's wiped out,
[18:19] Speaker 3: starting clean right now. It's like you have these choices.
[18:23] Speaker 3: So if you follow a life where you believe in
[18:25] Speaker 3: this and that and then your death comes. You know
[18:28] Speaker 3: where you're going, but even if you don't, and you
[18:31] Speaker 3: call out. You look at atheists that have called out
[18:33] Speaker 3: for Jesus or whatever else, and all of a sudden,
[18:35] Speaker 3: the angel appears whatever and takes them over. That's the
[18:37] Speaker 3: free will. The free will is so important. So the
[18:39] Speaker 3: answer to your question is what is the intented purpose
[18:42] Speaker 3: of the spirit and what is the free will? The
[18:44] Speaker 3: use of the free will when you are in between
[18:48] Speaker 3: and the afterlife.
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