# UFO Skepticism - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 8/25/26

An episode of [The Best of Coast to Coast AM](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1206175991), 26 Aug 2026, 18 min.

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George Noory and Retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Kevin D. Randle discuss why Kevin is skeptical when it comes to Alien Abduction cases. He also gives his opinions on the cases of Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton and Roswell. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Now, here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
[0:04] Speaker 2: And we're back with Kevin Randall, his latest book, UFO
[0:07] Speaker 2: Sightings and Alien Visitations. Kevin, where's the best place to
[0:11] Speaker 2: get this book?
[0:13] Speaker 3: Right now, probably the easiest place to get it, I mean,
[0:15] Speaker 3: like right now, this minute, would be Amazon.com.
[0:19] Speaker 4: Super.
[0:20] Speaker 2: You have been somewhat skeptical of alien abductions. How come,
[0:23] Speaker 2: and where do you stand today?
[0:27] Speaker 3: Oh, I've been around that question for, again, literally decades.
[0:32] Speaker 3: I think I'm the first one to ever report the
[0:35] Speaker 3: aliens had come into the bedroom for the bedroom abductions
[0:37] Speaker 3: with the Pat Roach case, which I looked at in 1976.
[0:43] Speaker 3: And looking at it logically, I guess, the number of
[0:48] Speaker 3: abductions claimed makes no sense to me. They ran a
[0:54] Speaker 3: Roper poll back in the 90s, and there was, I think,
[0:57] Speaker 3: five key questions trying to determine how many people have
[1:01] Speaker 3: been abducted without asking, have you been abducted type question
[1:03] Speaker 3: to get a kind of a sample on that. And
[1:07] Speaker 3: the problem was nobody, almost nobody answered all five questions
[1:12] Speaker 3: in the way that would indicate that. So they reduced
[1:15] Speaker 3: it to four questions and then they determined about 3
[1:17] Speaker 3: million Americans have been abducted by aliens. You think it
[1:20] Speaker 3: was 3 million Americans. Look at how many around the
[1:23] Speaker 3: world have been abducted and where all the spacecraft parked.
[1:26] Speaker 3: How can they do all of this sort of thing? And,
[1:29] Speaker 3: The abduction is usually single witness. A lot of it
[1:32] Speaker 3: is derived from a hypnotic regression and other enhanced memory techniques.
[1:39] Speaker 3: And so it was a problem. I was talking to
[1:42] Speaker 3: Russ Estes and Bill Cohen. We did a book called
[1:45] Speaker 3: The Abduction Enigma, and we pretty well determined that the
[1:50] Speaker 3: answer to abductions rested on this planet. There were trustful
[1:56] Speaker 3: explanations for the abductions. all kinds of explanations, but they
[2:00] Speaker 3: were explanations. I had an opportunity to talk to Calvin
[2:04] Speaker 3: Parker then. And I may have mentioned this, Calvin Parker.
[2:08] Speaker 4: That's Pascagoula, right?
[2:10] Speaker 3: Pascagoula, Charles Hicks, Pascagoula, October of 1973. And in talking
[2:17] Speaker 3: to him, he mentioned in passing that there had been
[2:21] Speaker 3: witnesses to the abduction the next day. And I just
[2:26] Speaker 3: didn't really buy that. It just didn't make sense to me.
[2:29] Speaker 3: And yet there's a document that proves it, that there
[2:32] Speaker 3: were witnesses. The Air Force officer I mentioned, senior Air
[2:36] Speaker 3: Force officer signed a document dated October 12th, 1973, talking
[2:41] Speaker 3: about their interview with Hickson and Parker and talked about
[2:45] Speaker 3: at least four other witnesses they knew of the next day.
[2:48] Speaker 3: And this is a time when you're not looking at
[2:52] Speaker 3: social media. You don't go, I went out and bought
[2:54] Speaker 3: a Coke today. Uh, these sorts of things didn't get
[2:57] Speaker 3: that kind of publicity that quickly. So it seemed impossible
[3:01] Speaker 3: for that to happen. I talked to Parker a number
[3:04] Speaker 3: of times. I found him to be a very genuine individual.
[3:09] Speaker 3: I think the original abduction that they talked about, that
[3:12] Speaker 3: he and Hickson and Parker talked about, is legitimate. There
[3:18] Speaker 3: is no real logical Earth-based explanation for it. Once they
[3:23] Speaker 3: were returned by the alien creatures, for example, They went
[3:28] Speaker 3: to the sheriff's department. They're left in a room by
[3:32] Speaker 3: themselves with a tape recorder running because the theory would be, well,
[3:36] Speaker 3: if they're making the story up, they'll talk about the
[3:38] Speaker 3: hoax and we'll get some kind of a clue. But
[3:40] Speaker 3: they didn't do that. They were clearly upset by the
[3:43] Speaker 3: whole thing. Parker's life was really turned upside down by
[3:46] Speaker 3: this event. And it haunted him his entire life. But
[3:52] Speaker 3: I talked to both Hicks and I talked to Parker.
[3:55] Speaker 3: I found Parker to be very, very genuine in what
[3:58] Speaker 3: he said. But what got me was the number of
[4:01] Speaker 3: witnesses who had some knowledge or some involvement in the abduction,
[4:08] Speaker 3: seeing it. I know that Philip Klass, when he went
[4:13] Speaker 3: into his investigation of the abduction and wrote about it
[4:18] Speaker 3: in his book, I think UFOs Explained, or maybe it
[4:20] Speaker 3: was his book, book on alien abductions, he mentioned that
[4:28] Speaker 3: most of his analysis, I should say, was about the
[4:32] Speaker 3: search for the polygraph examiner to give him the lie
[4:35] Speaker 3: detector test and why this examiner was probably not the
[4:40] Speaker 3: best man to do that. And it's page after page
[4:42] Speaker 3: after page of that, not really talking about what Hickson
[4:45] Speaker 3: and Parker said, not really talking about what the sheriff's
[4:48] Speaker 3: office and the sheriff's deputy said and that sort of thing.
[4:50] Speaker 3: It's he didn't like the polygrapher because the guy they'd
[4:53] Speaker 3: gone to new Orleans to get the polygraph operator. And
[4:59] Speaker 3: there would have been, there should have been polygraph operators
[5:01] Speaker 3: closer to Pascagoula to do it, but New Orleans isn't
[5:03] Speaker 3: that far from Pascagoula. So they went to a detective
[5:07] Speaker 3: agency in new Orleans and got the, um, polygraph operator there.
[5:13] Speaker 3: But the, the, the whole point is, uh, The analysis
[5:17] Speaker 3: that Clark, the analysis that Klass makes is based on
[5:24] Speaker 3: the training and the ability and the questions asked by
[5:28] Speaker 3: the polygraph operator and not about the abduction itself and
[5:32] Speaker 3: the other witnesses that have come forward since then, but
[5:36] Speaker 3: who identified the very next day. Philip Klass talks about
[5:39] Speaker 3: how the abduction site is close to a major highway
[5:43] Speaker 3: and there should have been people on the highway that
[5:44] Speaker 3: saw it. Well, it turns out there were. And it
[5:47] Speaker 3: was the next day. But if you look at the
[5:48] Speaker 3: highway and the way it's oriented and the vegetation, it's
[5:52] Speaker 3: almost impossible to see from the highway down into that
[5:55] Speaker 3: area going one direction. You'd have to look back over
[5:59] Speaker 3: your shoulder to see it. And on the other side
[6:01] Speaker 3: of the highway, you probably can't get a good look
[6:03] Speaker 3: at it. So you take a look at that. But
[6:05] Speaker 3: it was the Hickson-Parker abduction that kind of got me
[6:09] Speaker 3: to thinking about, and that's the one thing you have
[6:11] Speaker 3: to do in almost any area of research or investigation.
[6:15] Speaker 3: I mean, you don't want to get so hung up
[6:17] Speaker 3: on where you're coming from that you reject information or
[6:21] Speaker 3: evidence that doesn't fit your narrow theory. And I'm engaged
[6:25] Speaker 3: into a bit of an argument on my blog with
[6:29] Speaker 3: a guy who insists that all the Roswell witnesses are liars,
[6:32] Speaker 3: and it was a Project Vogel balloon. And I can't
[6:35] Speaker 3: get him to understand that the documentation eliminates Project Mogul
[6:40] Speaker 3: and not all the witnesses were liars. Some of them
[6:42] Speaker 3: were very good. And some of the liars that came forward, we,
[6:46] Speaker 3: and again, it's Tom, Don, and me, exposed them as
[6:49] Speaker 3: the liars. We're the ones that found out they weren't
[6:51] Speaker 3: telling the truth and reject their testimony, even though we
[6:55] Speaker 3: had accepted it in the beginning. So yeah, that was
[6:59] Speaker 3: kind of where I look at the abduction phenomena and
[7:04] Speaker 3: I think, okay, If there's alien abduction, the Hickson-Parker experience
[7:10] Speaker 3: is probably a good one. In the book, I talk
[7:13] Speaker 3: about a number of abductions in 1973 because, you know,
[7:18] Speaker 3: that's the Hickson-Parker era. And I talked to Pat Roach,
[7:23] Speaker 3: who came forward in 1975, 1976. She'd read an article
[7:29] Speaker 3: that I'd written in Saga's UFO Report. And wrote and
[7:34] Speaker 3: said that she knew how a family could be abducted. Unfortunately,
[7:37] Speaker 3: the story that I had written about there turned out
[7:40] Speaker 3: to be a hoax. Carl Lorenzen had originally given me
[7:43] Speaker 3: the information, Carl Lorenzen being one of the leaders of
[7:46] Speaker 3: the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization, about a fellow in Argentina.
[7:50] Speaker 3: And after the story came out, a couple of months later,
[7:53] Speaker 3: Carl says, unfortunately, we found out that story's a hoax,
[7:55] Speaker 3: but it led to Pat Roach. Pat Roach did call
[7:59] Speaker 3: the police after the abduction took place. And the police,
[8:02] Speaker 3: of course, said, well, she's a nut. She can't believe
[8:03] Speaker 3: anything she said. But it gave us the date of
[8:06] Speaker 3: the abduction. I think that Pat Roach experienced an episode
[8:10] Speaker 3: of sleep paralysis. But this is the case where it
[8:12] Speaker 3: was reported the aliens were in the house. I think
[8:14] Speaker 3: it's the first time that was reported. The aliens had
[8:17] Speaker 3: come into the house for the bedroom abduction. But I believe,
[8:20] Speaker 3: and I say this with reservations, The Pat Roach case is,
[8:25] Speaker 3: I believe, sleep paralysis. That does not mean that every
[8:28] Speaker 3: other case is explainable by sleep paralysis. Others have other
[8:32] Speaker 3: terrestrial explanations. But when you get to the Hicks and
[8:34] Speaker 3: Parker abduction, you don't have that explanation. And I think
[8:38] Speaker 3: that kind of turned me around on looking at the
[8:41] Speaker 3: abductions with still a skeptical eye, but one that was
[8:46] Speaker 3: more acceptive of the testimony of the witnesses involved and
[8:49] Speaker 3: a distinct possibility that there's something like that going on
[8:53] Speaker 3: that does involve an alien presence, I guess would be
[8:58] Speaker 3: the way to say it. I was just thinking that
[9:00] Speaker 3: if you want to eliminate interstellar flight, that we can
[9:05] Speaker 3: fall back on the idea maybe it is some kind
[9:08] Speaker 3: of interdimensional problem going on that leads to some of
[9:11] Speaker 3: this activity as well. But I think there's something more
[9:14] Speaker 3: to it than just the psychological problems of some people
[9:18] Speaker 3: and hoaxes that people have been springing on us about that.
[9:21] Speaker 5: And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.
[9:23] Speaker 5: This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
[9:26] Speaker 5: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who's eight,
[9:31] Speaker 5: almost nine years old now, was suffering with Not just
[9:35] Speaker 5: one or two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak
[9:37] Speaker 5: of warts all over his body. So significant it impacted
[9:40] Speaker 5: his ability to really function.
[9:42] Speaker 6: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to write.
[9:46] Speaker 6: It was Ty's book actually that got me thinking about it.
[9:48] Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immunomodulator. And so
[9:52] Speaker 1: I can see that it would work.
[9:54] Speaker 5: And so at what point did you see that there
[9:57] Speaker 5: was actually improvement?
[9:58] Speaker 1: Is really going to work?
[9:59] Speaker 6: Well, look, we really started to notice it around 12 weeks.
[10:02] Speaker 6: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller
[10:06] Speaker 6: and then going down to where they're just little red marks.
[10:09] Speaker 6: The whole things are gone. And we're talking about once,
[10:11] Speaker 6: you know, one the size of a walnut. I thought,
[10:13] Speaker 6: no way that's going to.
[10:15] Speaker 3: Wow.
[10:15] Speaker 6: It's just been miraculous to see him get into a
[10:18] Speaker 6: pair of shoes.
[10:19] Speaker 1: Yes. How wonderful.
[10:21] Speaker 6: It's great to see him so happy and confident.
[10:23] Speaker 5: Absolutely wonderful.
[10:25] Speaker 1: Our friends that have seen it, they're just blown away.
[10:27] Speaker 5: Ty, this is awesome.
[10:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.
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[10:51] Speaker 4: When they were alive, did you know Bud Hopkins or Dr.
[10:54] Speaker 4: John Mack?
[10:56] Speaker 1: I knew Hopkins.
[10:57] Speaker 3: Um, uh, in fact, uh, Hopkins, when Hopkins did his book,
[11:02] Speaker 3: I was asked to review it for the, um, journal
[11:05] Speaker 3: of scientific, uh, exploration. So I spoke with him and
[11:09] Speaker 3: I spoke with him a number of times about that,
[11:13] Speaker 3: about his work. So yes, I knew Bud Hopkins. I
[11:16] Speaker 3: did not know John Mack. Russ Estes and Bill Cohen
[11:21] Speaker 3: interviewed John Mack on tape. And John Mack said something
[11:24] Speaker 3: that struck me as kind of weird. He said there
[11:27] Speaker 3: was a strange matching between the abduction researcher and the experiencer,
[11:31] Speaker 3: meaning that Bud Hopkins found cold calculating scientists as the abductors.
[11:40] Speaker 3: David Jacobs found those creating the hybrids. John Mack found
[11:43] Speaker 3: those with a Western or an Eastern philosophy. And he
[11:47] Speaker 3: thought that it was a strange matching. And I think, well,
[11:49] Speaker 3: let's turn it around. Maybe it's the philosophy of the
[11:52] Speaker 3: researchers sort of imprinting their ideas on the abductees in
[11:56] Speaker 3: some fashion. But yeah, so I didn't talk to him.
[12:01] Speaker 3: I watched the tapes that Russ and, and, Bill had
[12:06] Speaker 3: gotten on him, but I never, I never corresponded with him.
[12:09] Speaker 3: I never spoke with him personally, but talked to Hopkins
[12:11] Speaker 3: and I talked to, or corresponded with, uh, David Jacobs.
[12:15] Speaker 3: And of course I know Kathleen Martin as well. And
[12:18] Speaker 3: I've talked to her. We had an interesting thing going
[12:21] Speaker 3: on in the Roswell, uh, festival this year, they had
[12:25] Speaker 3: a panel on abductions and I was on the panel with, uh,
[12:29] Speaker 3: Travis Walton and Kathleen Martin. And, uh, And I was,
[12:32] Speaker 3: of course, there because I wanted to talk about the
[12:35] Speaker 3: Pascagoula abduction because I think it's an important case. And,
[12:40] Speaker 3: you know, I've talked to Travis Walton several times and
[12:44] Speaker 3: communicated with him. I knew Mike Rogers and a couple
[12:51] Speaker 3: of the other guys who were on that team when
[12:54] Speaker 3: Walton was abducted back in 1975. So I've got a
[12:55] Speaker 3: lot of.
[12:59] Speaker 3: Information about abductions, I think the number of true abductions,
[13:03] Speaker 3: like the number of true UFO sightings, is very, very narrow.
[13:08] Speaker 3: And I think most of the people who are involved
[13:10] Speaker 3: in telling their stories about alien abduction have had some
[13:15] Speaker 3: kind of experience, but it's relatable to a terrestrial event
[13:18] Speaker 3: as opposed to an alien event. But there are some
[13:21] Speaker 3: that are exploiting that phenomenon for their own game, telling
[13:26] Speaker 3: wild tales that really make no sense.
[13:29] Speaker 4: What do you think of the Barney and Betty Hill case,
[13:31] Speaker 4: one of the original abduction cases?
[13:36] Speaker 3: I'm very ambivalent about that one. In fact, I told
[13:40] Speaker 3: Kathleen Marden at one point that I was concerned about
[13:43] Speaker 3: it being alien, but it may have had more to
[13:47] Speaker 3: do with Betty's interest in UFOs. And she was very
[13:50] Speaker 3: interested in UFOs prior to the abduction. And Benjamin Simon,
[13:55] Speaker 3: their psychiatrist.
[13:57] Speaker 4: I interviewed him, by the way.
[14:00] Speaker 3: And well, then you know that he said, well, he
[14:02] Speaker 3: didn't believe they were abducted by aliens, but he believed
[14:05] Speaker 3: they had some kind of a shared experience.
[14:08] Speaker 4: Well, with what he told me, this is what I've
[14:11] Speaker 4: asked him. I was 21 years old when I interviewed
[14:13] Speaker 4: him back in 1971. And I said, Dr. Simon, were
[14:17] Speaker 4: they lying to you? He said, no. He said, I
[14:21] Speaker 4: don't know what happened to them, but whatever happened to them,
[14:25] Speaker 4: they believe it to be true.
[14:29] Speaker 3: And that's the thing with a lot of the abduction
[14:32] Speaker 3: people you talk to. They believe it's alien. Philip Klass
[14:37] Speaker 3: once told me that he thought we should give them
[14:42] Speaker 3: all a lie detector test to determine whether or not
[14:44] Speaker 3: the experience took place. And I said, Philip, it's not
[14:47] Speaker 3: going to work because they believe they were abducted. That
[14:51] Speaker 3: doesn't mean they were abducted by alien creatures. They had
[14:53] Speaker 3: an experience that they believe leads them to that conclusion.
[14:56] Speaker 3: They're going to pass the test. So giving them lie
[14:59] Speaker 3: detector test is kind of a, right.
[15:01] Speaker 4: They're not lying. They believe it to be true.
[15:04] Speaker 5: Yes.
[15:04] Speaker 6: Yes.
[15:05] Speaker 3: They believe it to be true. Did Barney and Betty
[15:06] Speaker 3: Hill get abducted? I don't know. I think they had,
[15:10] Speaker 3: they had obviously had some kind of shared experience and
[15:12] Speaker 3: they obviously believe they were abducted.
[15:14] Speaker 1: And Dr.
[15:15] Speaker 3: Simon confirmed they believed it, but that we need the
[15:19] Speaker 3: next step. And that's, that's the one thing that people,
[15:22] Speaker 3: what do you, what do you want? And I, you know, just,
[15:25] Speaker 3: over the fence into the extraterrestrial, but I would like
[15:28] Speaker 3: to see the physical evidence. I'd like to see the craft.
[15:31] Speaker 3: I'd like to see the bodies. I wish that we
[15:34] Speaker 3: weren't caught up in this dump of evidence or sightings
[15:42] Speaker 3: periodically by the government, which rarely has anything that we
[15:46] Speaker 3: didn't already know. They're not giving us anything new, any stuff.
[15:51] Speaker 3: And I say, okay, we look through all this information.
[15:55] Speaker 3: Where's the stuff on Roswell? Where's the stuff on Leveland?
[15:59] Speaker 3: Both very important sightings, but there's nothing that you find.
[16:03] Speaker 3: In the Roswell case, there's the FBI telex that talks
[16:08] Speaker 3: about the information getting to Fort Worth and the FBI
[16:13] Speaker 3: agent talking to Major Curtin. In fact, the FBI agent
[16:16] Speaker 3: spells Curtin's name wrong. about what happened there. That's the
[16:21] Speaker 3: only document that appears in the Roswell case, and yet
[16:24] Speaker 3: it was filled, the newspapers were filled with stuff about
[16:27] Speaker 3: Roswell back in 1947. If you look at the data
[16:30] Speaker 3: dumps we've gotten from these data dumps, there's an awful
[16:35] Speaker 3: lot of newspaper articles included in that material, and information
[16:39] Speaker 3: from UFO organizations that leaned from the, I believe, everything
[16:46] Speaker 3: to Everything is wrong. We've got to look at that.
[16:50] Speaker 3: Short-lived organizations, long-lived organizations, all of that sort of thing.
[16:54] Speaker 3: But there's nothing about Roswell. I found nothing about Leveland.
[16:57] Speaker 3: I'm looking for that stuff. I've reported on a couple
[17:01] Speaker 3: of the sightings that took place recently that's in there.
[17:09] Speaker 3: which are unresolved, but we can't get any additional information
[17:14] Speaker 3: about it. So unresolved is basically unidentified. That doesn't necessarily
[17:18] Speaker 3: take us to the extraterrestrial. I want to take that
[17:20] Speaker 3: step over the fence into the evidences.
[17:25] Speaker 4: Here's debris.
[17:27] Speaker 3: Here's the body. Here's what our research has told us.
[17:30] Speaker 3: I don't think there's going to be a mass panic
[17:32] Speaker 3: because everybody's going to say, you know, this happened like
[17:33] Speaker 3: 80 years ago.
[17:34] Speaker 4: Who cares?
[17:35] Speaker 3: It hasn't affected my life at all. Of course, it's
[17:37] Speaker 3: affected my life because I keep going to Roswell. That's
[17:39] Speaker 3: another story.
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