# Episode 309: Military Intelligence on NDEs & Special Signs from Beyond

An episode of [The Best of Coast to Coast AM](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1206175991), 18 Sep 2026, 51 min.

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Join Sandra alongside authors Don Winner and Lisa Laniewski for afterlife evidence and powerful signs that bring peace, comfort and healing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: And you're here.
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[0:04] Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural,
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[0:12] Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network. And right now,
[0:15] Speaker 2: let's start with Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.
[0:21] Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and
[0:25] Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only.
[0:29] Speaker 3: And do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to
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[0:40] Speaker 3: We would like to encourage you to do your own
[0:42] Speaker 3: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, I'm
[0:53] Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain. For over 25 years, I've been on a
[0:57] Speaker 3: journey to prove the existence of life after death. On
[1:01] Speaker 3: each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know that
[1:05] Speaker 3: our loved ones have survived physical death, and so will we.
[1:10] Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, we'll be talking
[1:14] Speaker 3: to a mom with a daughter in spirit who has
[1:16] Speaker 3: had and collects extraordinary stories of signs from across the veil.
[1:21] Speaker 3: But before that, I want to introduce you to Don Winner.
[1:25] Speaker 3: Don spent 20 years as a high-level strategic intelligence analyst
[1:30] Speaker 3: and linguist for the military. He has focused his analytical
[1:34] Speaker 3: attention on near-death experiences and is the author of the
[1:38] Speaker 3: brand new book, You're Going to Die Someday, Right? Near-Death
[1:42] Speaker 3: Experiences Reveal What Happens Next. You can find out more
[1:46] Speaker 3: about him at winnernde.com.
[1:50] Speaker 4: Straight out of high school, 1980, 18 years old, went
[1:54] Speaker 4: straight into the military. Just enlisted. Graduated in June. By September,
[1:58] Speaker 4: I was in Lackland Air Force Base in basic training.
[2:01] Speaker 4: And then I spent 20 years in the military. So
[2:03] Speaker 4: it was really broken up into several phases throughout the
[2:06] Speaker 4: 20-year career. The first six years was as a Korean linguist.
[2:10] Speaker 4: It was two years basically in training to learn how
[2:13] Speaker 4: to be a Korean linguist. And then two years assigned
[2:15] Speaker 4: in Korea, did two short-term tours back-to-back as a linguist doing...
[2:20] Speaker 4: intelligence collection. And then two years after that at the
[2:24] Speaker 4: National Security Agency in Fort Meade, Maryland. That was the
[2:27] Speaker 4: end of my first enlistment. So I was like, okay,
[2:29] Speaker 4: I want to re-enlist. But by that time I had
[2:32] Speaker 4: seen all of the career Korean linguists who had been
[2:35] Speaker 4: doing the exact same job for 20 years. That kind
[2:38] Speaker 4: of a career is basically back and forth between the
[2:40] Speaker 4: same locations and doing the same job. So I was like,
[2:43] Speaker 4: all right, I've been over there. I've been over here.
[2:45] Speaker 4: I kind of know what it looks like. I'm looking
[2:46] Speaker 4: for something a little bit different. So now it's 1986.
[2:50] Speaker 4: And if you think all over North Central America, Iran, Contra,
[2:54] Speaker 4: and all of that, what the Air Force needed, the U.S.
[2:57] Speaker 4: was afraid that Latin America, Central America was going to
[3:00] Speaker 4: fall like dominoes. This is Cold War stuff. Soviet Union
[3:03] Speaker 4: still existed. So they were concerned that that was going
[3:06] Speaker 4: to happen. So they woke up one day and realized
[3:08] Speaker 4: we need Spanish linguists. Well, there were lots of people
[3:11] Speaker 4: in the military that spoke Spanish. None of them were
[3:14] Speaker 4: trained and experienced linguists. intelligence collection, dedicated linguists. So the
[3:19] Speaker 4: Air Force gives you that one opportunity in your first enlistment.
[3:22] Speaker 4: If you'd like to change jobs, well, now's your time,
[3:25] Speaker 4: but it has to be something that they need. So
[3:27] Speaker 4: I said, okay, I want to be a Spanish linguist.
[3:29] Speaker 4: I want to go back through Monterey, California, do the
[3:31] Speaker 4: full language training back to Goodfellow, do the survival training,
[3:34] Speaker 4: and then go fly on C-130s and collect intelligence out
[3:37] Speaker 4: of Panama and as a Spanish language. And they said, perfect.
[3:41] Speaker 4: That's exactly what we need. And I went, okay, great.
[3:43] Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where the, you know,
[3:45] Speaker 4: what I wanted to do career-wise and what the Air
[3:47] Speaker 4: Force needed lined up perfectly. While I was there, I
[3:50] Speaker 4: finished off my bachelor's degree. And then I got selected
[3:53] Speaker 4: to attend a program at the Defense Intelligence Agency, which
[3:57] Speaker 4: was to learn about strategic intelligence. I did a master's
[4:02] Speaker 4: degree in strategic intelligence from the Defense Intelligence Agency. From there,
[4:06] Speaker 4: the Air Force says, well, we don't want to send
[4:08] Speaker 4: this guy to someplace else. So they sent me into
[4:12] Speaker 4: the special operations unit. And I spent the last five
[4:14] Speaker 4: years doing special operations intelligence in Latin America. And that
[4:19] Speaker 4: takes me to 20 years, retired from the Air Force,
[4:22] Speaker 4: spent five years working for a military contractor, also in
[4:25] Speaker 4: Latin America, also doing intelligence collection throughout Latin America for
[4:30] Speaker 4: the word is three letter agencies. And then after that,
[4:33] Speaker 4: I started my own business again in Panama. as an
[4:37] Speaker 4: investigative journalist. So I was reporting on things that were
[4:41] Speaker 4: happening in the Republic of Panama for the expat community
[4:43] Speaker 4: that lives there through a website called Panama Guide. And
[4:47] Speaker 4: because of that, I ended up doing the investigations into
[4:51] Speaker 4: the serial killers And I caught a guy named Wild Bill.
[4:54] Speaker 4: His name is William Dathan Holbert. And his wife was
[4:57] Speaker 4: Laura Michelle Reese, I believe. I forget her middle name.
[5:00] Speaker 4: But anyway, they were a husband-wife team. And they murdered,
[5:02] Speaker 4: I know that they murdered about 13 people. And I
[5:05] Speaker 4: got them to confess to six. Five in Panama and
[5:09] Speaker 4: one in Costa Rica. And then it became 2013. My
[5:13] Speaker 4: parents were getting into their 80s, and I decided it
[5:15] Speaker 4: was time to move back home to spend time with
[5:18] Speaker 4: my folks while I still could. My daughter was young
[5:21] Speaker 4: at the time, and my son had turned 18. So
[5:23] Speaker 4: we moved back from Panama, back to the Hudson Valley
[5:26] Speaker 4: region of New York. And I've been here since 13
[5:29] Speaker 4: years now. So back in New York.
[5:32] Speaker 3: Glad to have you back in the home base. So now,
[5:35] Speaker 3: how did you transition into wanting to study near-death experiences?
[5:40] Speaker 4: The thing there was my dad is 92 years old now.
[5:44] Speaker 4: And he had an episode where he basically, to make
[5:47] Speaker 4: a long story short, he had gotten dehydrated. He had
[5:49] Speaker 4: a stomach virus and he passed out. He ended up
[5:52] Speaker 4: being in the hospital for a day or two. And
[5:54] Speaker 4: then they got tested and they figured out it was
[5:56] Speaker 4: just a stomach bug and it was just dehydration. So
[5:59] Speaker 4: after a day or two, he went back home. And
[6:01] Speaker 4: then it was a week or two later, we were
[6:02] Speaker 4: talking about it. And he just mentioned casually that He said,
[6:05] Speaker 4: you know, the last thing I thought about before I
[6:07] Speaker 4: went down was I wonder if this is what it's
[6:09] Speaker 4: like to die. I went, OK, my 92 year old
[6:13] Speaker 4: father is thinking about death. Gotcha. So let me look
[6:17] Speaker 4: into that, you know, because I have ADHD with a
[6:19] Speaker 4: touch of autism. So what that translates to is that
[6:23] Speaker 4: when I get interested in something and I decide to
[6:25] Speaker 4: focus on it and study it, It's not normal. So
[6:30] Speaker 4: it's not like normal human stuff. I can go into
[6:33] Speaker 4: a topic and completely hyper focus on that for days,
[6:37] Speaker 4: weeks or months at a time. If I get interested
[6:40] Speaker 4: in something, it just completely consumes me and I'll forget
[6:43] Speaker 4: to do other things, eat or sleep, you know, wake
[6:46] Speaker 4: up at three in the morning and go, aha, and
[6:47] Speaker 4: then go run and jump on the computer and start
[6:49] Speaker 4: slamming away on a chapter or something. When you study
[6:52] Speaker 4: these things, you realize that near-death experiences happen to everybody
[6:56] Speaker 4: around the world, and it's just a function of being human.
[7:00] Speaker 4: When you look at enough of these things, and I've
[7:02] Speaker 4: looked at thousands of them, the details are always clearly
[7:05] Speaker 4: distinct and unique to that individual. The elements are so remarkably,
[7:10] Speaker 4: I mean, stupidly consistent to the point where you just,
[7:14] Speaker 4: and I went from, oh, that's interesting to that's intriguing
[7:16] Speaker 4: to what's astonishing to just, okay, that's just what happens.
[7:19] Speaker 4: I just accept them as fact. And for my purposes,
[7:21] Speaker 4: I look for flatline clinically dead. I mean, flatline in
[7:25] Speaker 4: the ambulance for half an hour, dead, cold, not breathing,
[7:28] Speaker 4: no brain activity, just dead. So the first thing that
[7:32] Speaker 4: typically happens is the out-of-body experience. So the soul separates
[7:36] Speaker 4: from the physical body. And very often the person is
[7:40] Speaker 4: looking down their body and going, oh, that poor guy
[7:42] Speaker 4: got hit.
[7:42] Speaker 1: By a bus.
[7:43] Speaker 4: I wonder what happened to him. There's often a disconnect
[7:45] Speaker 4: there where the person who's going off on a near-death
[7:48] Speaker 4: experience doesn't realize that the body that's laying there is them.
[7:52] Speaker 4: Very typically, there is a spirit guide there. Someone who says, hi,
[7:56] Speaker 4: how you doing? I'm here to help. It's okay. Because
[7:59] Speaker 4: there's a transition there because you're getting half on the
[8:02] Speaker 4: earth side and half on the other side. From there,
[8:05] Speaker 4: that's where you get a lot of these veridical experiences.
[8:08] Speaker 4: where people will see things that they're not supposed to
[8:11] Speaker 4: be able to see because they're dead. Like in another room,
[8:14] Speaker 4: down the hallway, in an upstairs back part of the house,
[8:17] Speaker 4: things that are impossible for a dead person to see
[8:20] Speaker 4: or hear or witness or experience because they're dead, but
[8:23] Speaker 4: then guess what? They saw it. So then from there,
[8:26] Speaker 4: there's typically a transition to a void, and then typically
[8:30] Speaker 4: a tunnel feature forms with a light at the end.
[8:34] Speaker 4: So they go towards the light. When they get to
[8:36] Speaker 4: the end of the light, they encounter the source of
[8:38] Speaker 4: life energy is the best way to describe it. We
[8:41] Speaker 4: humans have taken to call that light source God. At
[8:44] Speaker 4: that point now, you're communicating telepathically. The cool part about
[8:48] Speaker 4: that is any question that you can conceive of, you
[8:51] Speaker 4: get the answer instantly. Well, how does the universe work? Bam,
[8:54] Speaker 4: you got it all. Now, here's the cool part. Your
[8:57] Speaker 4: ability to conceive things as a soul is not limited
[9:00] Speaker 4: by the human meat sack brain, okay? You are limitless.
[9:05] Speaker 4: You can understand everything instantly, all of it. So basically,
[9:09] Speaker 4: you get all your questions answered, and then you move
[9:12] Speaker 4: off to the life review. The life review is your
[9:15] Speaker 4: entire life from basically the moment of conception to the
[9:18] Speaker 4: moment of depth, every interaction that you've ever had. So
[9:21] Speaker 4: your and my life review will now include this moment
[9:24] Speaker 4: in time. Okay. It's not like watching a movie. You
[9:28] Speaker 4: get the whole thing, poof, downloaded. Now, on the other side,
[9:32] Speaker 4: there's no time. Time is irrelevant. So you can take
[9:36] Speaker 4: your time in this life review process to learn how
[9:39] Speaker 4: you made other people feel. Did you make somebody feel good,
[9:42] Speaker 4: feel bad? The thing I like to say is that
[9:45] Speaker 4: life is a schoolhouse, not a courthouse. So there is
[9:48] Speaker 4: no judgment in this process done whatsoever. Okay. You finished
[9:51] Speaker 4: the life review. Now let's go off to the garden.
[9:54] Speaker 4: So the garden's a cool thing. You can see 360 degrees.
[9:57] Speaker 4: You can see things that you can't normally see with
[9:59] Speaker 4: your human eyes. eyes because now your vision is unlimited.
[10:02] Speaker 4: Then you go and guess what? In the garden, you
[10:04] Speaker 4: encounter ancestors who died before you were born. Like great,
[10:09] Speaker 4: great grandpa Horace. Oh, hey, how's it going? Never met
[10:12] Speaker 4: the guy. Know that he's my ancestor. So then after
[10:16] Speaker 4: the garden and after you meet the ancestors, then you
[10:18] Speaker 4: typically go off to the life planning reincarnation section. It's
[10:22] Speaker 4: the only way to describe it. There was one really
[10:24] Speaker 4: cool case. It was a Catholic guy. It was really Catholic.
[10:28] Speaker 4: And he was convinced because of his religious upbringing that
[10:31] Speaker 4: reincarnation was just not a thing. And they went, really?
[10:33] Speaker 4: Come on over here. So they pulled him over into
[10:35] Speaker 4: that section and they showed him a tapestry of like
[10:39] Speaker 4: 300 different lives that he had lived himself. And each
[10:43] Speaker 4: one was like a block. And he could zoom in
[10:45] Speaker 4: on any one of those and relive it, basically. Then
[10:49] Speaker 4: they also show you the life plan that you yourself
[10:52] Speaker 4: make before you come to live this life to make
[10:55] Speaker 4: your life more challenging, because it's kind of like a
[10:57] Speaker 4: more challenging and more difficult life. You learn more stuff.
[11:00] Speaker 4: And that just basically makes sense. And then at some point,
[11:03] Speaker 4: it's like, hey, you know, you really should go back.
[11:05] Speaker 4: Here's your life plan, and these are the things that
[11:07] Speaker 4: you have yet to do. This is what you wanted
[11:09] Speaker 4: to accomplish, and you only got halfway through it, so
[11:12] Speaker 4: you should go back. Because of my background as a
[11:15] Speaker 4: linguist and having lived in other countries, you understand clearly
[11:19] Speaker 4: that there are huge differences when it comes to culture
[11:22] Speaker 4: and language and religion and the way people just live
[11:25] Speaker 4: and how they live their lives. So what I'm including
[11:27] Speaker 4: in my website in this Winter NDE project is to
[11:32] Speaker 4: hunt down, look for, find, and analyze things near-death experiences
[11:35] Speaker 4: from around the world and looking for those commonalities and
[11:39] Speaker 4: looking for the differences. And then I'm also picking ones
[11:41] Speaker 4: that are very interesting and incredible. For example, there was
[11:45] Speaker 4: what I call a miraculous cure. So somebody is dying
[11:48] Speaker 4: from cancer or whatever, and they literally die from cancer
[11:51] Speaker 4: and they have a near-death experience. They go back. And
[11:54] Speaker 4: then when they return, their cancer has been cured. There
[11:57] Speaker 4: was the guy from India who died in, I think
[11:59] Speaker 4: it was like 1950. He died from a fever. He
[12:01] Speaker 4: was very sick. And then during his near-death experience, he
[12:04] Speaker 4: was like, hey, man, I died from this fever. Could
[12:06] Speaker 4: you guys give me something for something? So they basically
[12:08] Speaker 4: took him to this woman who gave him a tea
[12:10] Speaker 4: or a broth or something. And she's like, here, drink this.
[12:12] Speaker 4: He drank that. And when he came back, not only
[12:15] Speaker 4: was he cured of his illness, he never got sick
[12:17] Speaker 4: again for the rest of his life. OK, so that's
[12:20] Speaker 4: going to be an upcoming article that I'm going to
[12:22] Speaker 4: do here this week is going to be the miraculous cure.
[12:25] Speaker 4: And I look at these things as subsets in the
[12:28] Speaker 4: data because obviously everybody who has a near-death experience does
[12:32] Speaker 4: not have a miraculous cure. But there are enough of
[12:34] Speaker 4: these things that there's plenty of them out there to
[12:36] Speaker 4: research and look at.
[12:38] Speaker 3: We'll stop here, take a quick break, and then we'll
[12:41] Speaker 3: come back and we'll talk about skeptics who have near-death
[12:43] Speaker 3: experiences and also this verifiable or veridical experiences that come
[12:50] Speaker 3: during NDEs. So we'll be right back with more of
[12:54] Speaker 3: Don Winner You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
[12:58] Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM, Paranormal Podcast Network.
[13:24] Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
[13:27] Speaker 3: Let's continue with NDE researcher Don Winner.
[13:32] Speaker 4: Skeptics are great. So one of the things that I
[13:34] Speaker 4: do for fun is I go hang out on these
[13:37] Speaker 4: atheist websites. And it's a lot of fun for me
[13:39] Speaker 4: to go out and then I just engage them with
[13:41] Speaker 4: facts and data and logic. The atheist ones are my
[13:43] Speaker 4: favorite because they start off as going, nope. And I
[13:47] Speaker 4: call them orthodox atheists. So they are 100%. Nope, it
[13:51] Speaker 4: don't happen. It's all made up. You die. The worms
[13:54] Speaker 4: eat your brain. That's it. Have a nice day. You
[13:56] Speaker 4: get one trip and that's all there is to it.
[13:58] Speaker 4: In other words, reincarnation is not real. There is no God.
[14:00] Speaker 4: There is no heaven. It's all baloney. And they're just
[14:03] Speaker 4: hardcore believers in nothing. It's okay. Well, then there is
[14:06] Speaker 4: an entire subset of people who were atheists, got hit
[14:10] Speaker 4: by a bus. And then guess what? Kind of hard
[14:13] Speaker 4: to be an atheist after you've had a conversation with God, bro.
[14:16] Speaker 4: And then people change. That's what happens. There's all kinds
[14:18] Speaker 4: of things that people have. that they hold to be true.
[14:22] Speaker 4: And then they find out that things are either slightly
[14:25] Speaker 4: different or significantly different when they have their near-death experience.
[14:29] Speaker 3: Not only do they change, but I've found most people
[14:32] Speaker 3: have these after effects that they want to be of
[14:36] Speaker 3: service to others. Life is about love and forgiveness and
[14:39] Speaker 3: kindness and helping others.
[14:41] Speaker 4: That's another very common thing that people who have a
[14:44] Speaker 4: near-death experience that very often their lives are completely changed
[14:48] Speaker 4: after death. And again, once you've been to the other
[14:51] Speaker 4: side and had those kinds of experiences and conversations, you
[14:54] Speaker 4: realize that the only thing that really matters is love.
[14:58] Speaker 4: That's the only currency that matters at all. And really
[15:01] Speaker 4: what the meaning of life comes down to, don't be
[15:04] Speaker 4: a butthead. Just make other people feel good about themselves
[15:06] Speaker 4: and be nice. Try to put a smile on everybody
[15:09] Speaker 4: else's face. When I leave the house now, I purposefully
[15:13] Speaker 4: go out of my way to find people who look
[15:15] Speaker 4: like they're having a bad day and make them feel
[15:18] Speaker 4: better about their day in little tiny things. It doesn't
[15:20] Speaker 4: have to be anything massive. And there's all kinds of
[15:22] Speaker 4: people who have made massive shifts in their lives. I mean,
[15:26] Speaker 4: quit their jobs. Now they're life coaches or mentors. But
[15:30] Speaker 4: that's very common.
[15:32] Speaker 3: I love that. So let's talk veridical experiences. These are
[15:35] Speaker 3: the verified ones, because in my mind, after studying and
[15:39] Speaker 3: hearing lots of stories that people can't possibly see something
[15:43] Speaker 3: if our consciousness is just in our bodies. And that
[15:46] Speaker 3: goes along with Ken Ring and all the experiments with
[15:48] Speaker 3: blind people who could see things. Do you have some
[15:52] Speaker 3: favorite veridical experiences?
[15:55] Speaker 4: I understand the concepts and I've got them and they're there.
[15:57] Speaker 4: What I don't have is the individual references. Like in 1932,
[16:00] Speaker 4: I can't quote names and places and the name of
[16:03] Speaker 4: the hospital, that kind of stuff. But one of my
[16:05] Speaker 4: favorite ones was the dust on the lights in the
[16:08] Speaker 4: operating room. So the woman had some kind of medical
[16:11] Speaker 4: experience and she's dead. Okay, so she dies. She leaves
[16:15] Speaker 4: her body and she's in the operating room and she's
[16:17] Speaker 4: up by the ceiling looking down on the scene and
[16:19] Speaker 4: they're frantically trying to save her life. She's sitting here
[16:22] Speaker 4: watching the scene and they're working away. And she notices,
[16:25] Speaker 4: she sees the top, the big dome lights that they
[16:28] Speaker 4: use in an operation. She's looking at the top of
[16:30] Speaker 4: the dome lights. She's like, those are dusty. She sees
[16:33] Speaker 4: dust on the top of the lights. And you would
[16:35] Speaker 4: think an operating room would be spotless. So anyway, they
[16:38] Speaker 4: save her life. She goes back into her body and
[16:41] Speaker 4: she was like, oh yeah, I saw you guys trying
[16:42] Speaker 4: to save me. And they're like, No, that's impossible. You
[16:45] Speaker 4: were dead. Yeah, I know. But I wasn't. I was
[16:47] Speaker 4: right over there hovering. They were like, no, probably not.
[16:50] Speaker 4: The doctors are always very skeptical about this stuff. And
[16:53] Speaker 4: she goes, really? You all need to clean them lights
[16:55] Speaker 4: because they're dusty. And they're like, huh? And then they looked.
[16:59] Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
[16:59] Speaker 4: They realize that, yeah, dusty lights in an operating room.
[17:02] Speaker 4: I just recently did an article. There was like my
[17:04] Speaker 4: top 10 favorite vertical, or not actually my favorite top 10,
[17:08] Speaker 4: but it was the most famous. And again, I can't
[17:10] Speaker 4: remember her name, the blind girl that she was blind
[17:14] Speaker 4: since birth. So she hadn't seen anything in her entire life.
[17:17] Speaker 4: And she was a singer and she would sing at
[17:20] Speaker 4: like bars and nightclubs and stuff. There was a bouncer
[17:23] Speaker 4: that was giving her a ride home at two o'clock
[17:25] Speaker 4: in the morning and he was driving drunk. They got
[17:27] Speaker 4: into an accident and she died. And now this is
[17:29] Speaker 4: a woman who had never seen anything ever in her
[17:31] Speaker 4: entire life. When she died, she saw a ring that
[17:34] Speaker 4: was on her finger. And again, this was the part
[17:37] Speaker 4: where she's trying to figure out who's that laying on
[17:39] Speaker 4: the road or whatever. And it was her, but she
[17:42] Speaker 4: saw the ring. It was a ring that she had
[17:44] Speaker 4: never seen before because she had never seen anything before.
[17:47] Speaker 4: And then she goes on to talk about all of
[17:49] Speaker 4: the things that she could see during her near-death experience
[17:52] Speaker 4: that obviously she had never seen anything during her normal life.
[17:55] Speaker 4: And there's two different cases with a shoe outside. The
[17:58] Speaker 4: only way you could see this shoe outside on a
[18:00] Speaker 4: ledge or something is with a helicopter. But the person
[18:02] Speaker 4: left their body and they could see it. Another one
[18:04] Speaker 4: of my favorites was a guy, I forget if it
[18:06] Speaker 4: was mowing the lawn or got hit by lightning or something. Anyway,
[18:08] Speaker 4: he's in the front yard dead. And then his wife
[18:12] Speaker 4: and grandchildren are inside the house, upstairs in the back
[18:15] Speaker 4: of the house. They got no idea that he's dead
[18:17] Speaker 4: in the front yard. So he leaves his body, goes
[18:20] Speaker 4: up there, and he's in the room. listening to his
[18:25] Speaker 4: wife and the grandchildren talking about getting dressed. They're going
[18:28] Speaker 4: to go do something. And of course, it should have
[18:30] Speaker 4: been impossible for him to see or hear any of
[18:33] Speaker 4: that because he was in the front yard bed. So
[18:37] Speaker 4: that's also very common. And there's literally thousands of those
[18:40] Speaker 4: kinds of stories.
[18:41] Speaker 3: I can't get enough of those stories. Just recently, I
[18:44] Speaker 3: uncovered one just like your dust story. A lady had
[18:47] Speaker 3: floated out of her room in the hospital and there
[18:49] Speaker 3: were red stickers on top of the ceiling fans.
[18:53] Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
[18:53] Speaker 1: Okay.
[18:55] Speaker 3: Dust and red stickers. So she could see those. And
[18:57] Speaker 3: then a couple of personal ones from people that I've
[18:59] Speaker 3: met before I started studying this. There was one guy
[19:03] Speaker 3: who had flatlined an ambulance and he could read the
[19:06] Speaker 3: name tags of the guys in the ambulance with him.
[19:09] Speaker 3: And he went and he found them to thank them.
[19:11] Speaker 3: And then the other one, a quite obese woman who
[19:14] Speaker 3: had flatlined in the bathtub and the EMTs that came,
[19:20] Speaker 3: thankfully wearing name tags, One of them said something very derogative.
[19:24] Speaker 3: She had floated out of her body, witnessed the whole thing,
[19:28] Speaker 3: went and found him and said some pretty straightforward remarks
[19:33] Speaker 3: about criticizing her and her weight. And of course, leaving
[19:36] Speaker 3: them astonished that there's no way you could have known that.
[19:40] Speaker 3: And people that I've interviewed, some have had horrific, scary
[19:46] Speaker 3: near-death experiences. And then they see a pinprick of light
[19:50] Speaker 3: Some instinctively, even if they're an atheist, start to pray
[19:53] Speaker 3: and the light grows. What are your thoughts about the
[19:56] Speaker 3: negative ones like that? Could it be our subconscious mind
[20:01] Speaker 3: still connected?
[20:02] Speaker 4: Yes.
[20:03] Speaker 3: I don't believe that you're going to hell, you're going
[20:05] Speaker 3: to heaven. I think the worst part of our lives
[20:08] Speaker 3: are right here on earth. This is just my perspective.
[20:11] Speaker 4: Part of my research indicates clearly that hell does not exist.
[20:15] Speaker 4: Sin does not exist. That these are human man-made constructs
[20:20] Speaker 4: that are part of organized religions. That is not in
[20:23] Speaker 4: the near-death experience data. One of my best friends in
[20:26] Speaker 4: the whole world, Frank, lives in Phoenix. He was in
[20:30] Speaker 4: the Marine Corps at the same time that I was
[20:32] Speaker 4: in the Air Force. We were in language school together
[20:34] Speaker 4: and our careers paralleled to a certain extent. We've been
[20:36] Speaker 4: friends I talk to Frank all the time. So Frank
[20:39] Speaker 4: is a evangelical Christian. And what he does is he
[20:43] Speaker 4: spends a lot of his time at soup kitchens where
[20:48] Speaker 4: you have homeless people, drug addicts, mental illness, all of
[20:51] Speaker 4: these things. And what Frank says that what he tries
[20:54] Speaker 4: to do is he's I don't want to talk to
[20:55] Speaker 4: a group of people. He says, I'm trying to find
[20:57] Speaker 4: one person that I can help. And he's just trying
[21:00] Speaker 4: to mentor that one person. And I told him, I said, hey, Frank,
[21:03] Speaker 4: I'm working on a book about near-death experiences. He goes, oh,
[21:05] Speaker 4: I see those things all the time. That's all a
[21:07] Speaker 4: bunch of hooey. I'm like, what are you talking about, bro?
[21:10] Speaker 4: Turns out, and I was unaware of this, that there
[21:12] Speaker 4: is an entire subset of data. What's the best way
[21:15] Speaker 4: to say this? There are near-death experience accounts that have
[21:19] Speaker 4: been edited and selectively chosen specific parts. And then another
[21:25] Speaker 4: video person with a bias and an agenda says, then
[21:29] Speaker 4: takes that information, then they make a video trying to
[21:32] Speaker 4: prove their own bias. So let's say there's somebody who
[21:35] Speaker 4: is telling a near-death experience account and they'll mention something.
[21:40] Speaker 4: And then I saw Jesus cut. That's where they cut
[21:43] Speaker 4: the video They take that clip and then they go
[21:46] Speaker 4: on for half an hour to reinforce their own bias. Now,
[21:49] Speaker 4: if you go back and look at that original video,
[21:51] Speaker 4: the guy would say, well, I thought I saw Jesus,
[21:53] Speaker 4: but it turns out that was a spirit guy. That
[21:55] Speaker 4: wasn't Jesus. And then there's also the element of whatever
[22:00] Speaker 4: is in your brain at the moment of death is
[22:02] Speaker 4: what you carry over into the other side. So you
[22:06] Speaker 4: have these preconceived notions. And then the data is full
[22:10] Speaker 4: of those kinds of situations where you thought it was
[22:12] Speaker 4: one way, but then you find out that it's different.
[22:14] Speaker 4: Like the reincarnation, the Catholic guy with the reincarnation or
[22:17] Speaker 4: the atheist that is not much of an atheist anymore.
[22:20] Speaker 4: So that's very common. The other thing too, is that
[22:23] Speaker 4: sometimes near-death experiences are relatively brief. I'm talking on earth
[22:28] Speaker 4: for a matter of 30 seconds, right? So then you
[22:30] Speaker 4: don't really have very much time to reset into the
[22:35] Speaker 4: new other side reality, if that makes sense.
[22:39] Speaker 3: Why is it hard for people who've had near-death experiences
[22:43] Speaker 3: to verbalize when they come back?
[22:46] Speaker 4: Tell me what a color looks like that nobody else
[22:48] Speaker 4: has ever seen.
[22:50] Speaker 3: Or music that no ears have ever heard.
[22:52] Speaker 4: Tell me what dancing plants or talking plants and flowers
[22:55] Speaker 4: look like. Because our bodies, our eyes in particular, have
[23:00] Speaker 4: evolved to serve our purposes on this planet as humans
[23:03] Speaker 4: in meat sacks on Earth. Now, your soul doesn't have eyes,
[23:07] Speaker 4: so your vision is perfect. You can do things that
[23:11] Speaker 4: are otherwise impossible. So you're looking and you're seeing something
[23:14] Speaker 4: that's 500 miles away and you decide, oh, I'd like
[23:16] Speaker 4: to zoom in and see that. And you go, whoop,
[23:18] Speaker 4: now all of a sudden you can see it in
[23:19] Speaker 4: right there. And you're like, well, normally you can't do that.
[23:22] Speaker 4: So there's all kinds of, and I've got an entire
[23:25] Speaker 4: chapter in my book, words can't describe. That's a commonality
[23:28] Speaker 4: of near-death experiences.
[23:29] Speaker 3: I took a look at some of the verifiable NDEs
[23:33] Speaker 3: on Don's website. There's a case of the tennis shoe.
[23:36] Speaker 3: A woman named Maria flatlined in a hospital room, floated
[23:39] Speaker 3: out of the building, saw a single dark blue tennis
[23:41] Speaker 3: shoe sitting on a high third-story exterior window ledge, which
[23:46] Speaker 3: would have been invisible from the ground. She described the
[23:49] Speaker 3: exact way the shoelace was tucked under the heel and
[23:53] Speaker 3: a social worker had to literally crawl out of a
[23:56] Speaker 3: window and found it exactly as Maria saw it. Then
[24:00] Speaker 3: there's Al Sullivan. While his body lay unconscious and his
[24:04] Speaker 3: eyes were taped shut, Al popped out of his body
[24:07] Speaker 3: and looked down. He noticed many things in great detail,
[24:10] Speaker 3: including the operating room surgeon flapping his arms in a
[24:14] Speaker 3: weird way, like a chicken with his hands tucked under
[24:17] Speaker 3: his armpits. When Al woke up, he asked the doctor
[24:20] Speaker 3: why he did that. The surgeon went pale. There was
[24:23] Speaker 3: no way anyone could have seen how he was avoiding
[24:27] Speaker 3: contaminating his gloves while directing his staff. And then there's
[24:31] Speaker 3: a story of Pam Reynolds, who had her brain entirely
[24:34] Speaker 3: drained of blood for a critical operation. She was clinically
[24:38] Speaker 3: dead with specialized clicks playing in her ear at a
[24:42] Speaker 3: very loud level. Yet her consciousness watched the entire scene,
[24:46] Speaker 3: perfectly described the unique bone saw the surgeon used, and
[24:50] Speaker 3: accurately recalled the exact conversation the nurses had about her
[24:55] Speaker 3: small arteries. Friends, these are not hallucinations. They are validated,
[24:59] Speaker 3: proving that you are an eternal being, completely independent of
[25:04] Speaker 3: your physical body. When we get back from the break,
[25:07] Speaker 3: we'll hear about signs from loved ones. You're listening to
[25:11] Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife. on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
[25:15] Speaker 3: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
[25:18] Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
[25:41] Speaker 3: And next, you're going to hear from my good friend,
[25:43] Speaker 3: Lisa Lanuski. She's a mom. She's highly educated. She's a
[25:48] Speaker 3: grief educator. And she's been collecting signs of the afterlife.
[25:54] Speaker 3: Here's her story.
[25:56] Speaker 5: So I am just your typical person. I'm a wife
[26:01] Speaker 5: of about 40 years. I have two children. I have
[26:06] Speaker 5: three grandchildren. I have a bachelor's degree in education with
[26:10] Speaker 5: two different certifications. I have a master's degree in counseling.
[26:15] Speaker 5: I have post-graduate classes. I have my certification in grief education.
[26:22] Speaker 5: My children were very, very educated. My daughter got a
[26:26] Speaker 5: full scholarship to the University of Florida. And from there,
[26:30] Speaker 5: when she was just a junior, she got the dream
[26:33] Speaker 5: job of her life in New York City. She always
[26:35] Speaker 5: wanted to be a buyer for Macy's Corporation. And she
[26:39] Speaker 5: found out that she was going to be going into
[26:41] Speaker 5: their executive development program when she was just a junior.
[26:44] Speaker 5: My son got an appointment at the Naval Academy in Annapolis.
[26:49] Speaker 5: I'm saying this not to brag on my family or
[26:52] Speaker 5: anything like that, but to show you that education is
[26:56] Speaker 5: really important to us. I have a very good friend.
[26:58] Speaker 5: And one thing that she says all the time about
[27:01] Speaker 5: me is, you don't suffer fools.
[27:04] Speaker 3: And that's true.
[27:06] Speaker 5: I don't believe everything that I hear. I'm naturally a
[27:09] Speaker 5: skeptical person. I like to listen. I like to observe,
[27:13] Speaker 5: you know, weigh information against information.
[27:17] Speaker 3: That I already have.
[27:18] Speaker 5: I tell you these things because I'm not just someone
[27:21] Speaker 5: who's going to believe.
[27:23] Speaker 3: I always have to test it against what.
[27:26] Speaker 5: I've already come to learn and just test it against
[27:30] Speaker 5: things that I've been learning my whole life. I've had
[27:33] Speaker 5: a Roman Catholic upbringing. And so all of my understanding
[27:38] Speaker 5: of life after life really came from that. Or I
[27:42] Speaker 5: should say from my two grandmothers who were very devout Catholics.
[27:46] Speaker 5: We never talked about afterlife or anything like that. I
[27:50] Speaker 5: was very fortunate to have four grandparents alive that I
[27:54] Speaker 5: got to know and who were extremely, extremely influential in
[27:58] Speaker 5: my life. But that's something that we never, ever talked about.
[28:02] Speaker 5: I never heard them talk about it. I just always
[28:05] Speaker 5: knew that from a really young age, I questioned, like,
[28:10] Speaker 5: what is this all about? It never made sense to me,
[28:13] Speaker 5: even as a young person, that we could be born,
[28:17] Speaker 5: that we could live for several decades and then die
[28:22] Speaker 5: and then nothing. And then there would be nothing. I
[28:25] Speaker 5: never understood the point of it. You know, I've always
[28:29] Speaker 5: thought of God as someone who was just so loving.
[28:34] Speaker 5: Every time I thought of God, it was all about love.
[28:36] Speaker 5: So my question was like, well, what is this?
[28:38] Speaker 3: I don't get it.
[28:39] Speaker 5: Explain, like, why are we here? And that was just
[28:43] Speaker 5: a real big theme for most of my life. I
[28:46] Speaker 5: have wonderful, wonderful memories of my grandparents. And I was
[28:51] Speaker 5: very sad when each one of them died. They all
[28:54] Speaker 5: died in a 20 year span between when I was
[28:56] Speaker 5: 15 and 35. They all died. And I was really,
[29:00] Speaker 5: really sad because they were such a huge part of
[29:03] Speaker 5: my life. But even then, I thought this is very
[29:07] Speaker 5: much in the natural order. You know, grandparents are supposed
[29:11] Speaker 5: to die before the rest of us. And I understood
[29:14] Speaker 5: the concept of that. I was in Texas at the
[29:17] Speaker 5: time when I got that phone call that nobody ever
[29:21] Speaker 5: wants to get. I was with my children on vacation
[29:23] Speaker 5: with some friends because we were all going to be
[29:25] Speaker 5: moving within a matter of a month or so. I
[29:28] Speaker 5: got that phone call that nobody wants to get. My
[29:31] Speaker 5: father had been killed in an automobile accident. And of course,
[29:35] Speaker 5: it was absolutely devastating. You know, my father was only
[29:38] Speaker 5: 53 years old at the time. I had two very
[29:41] Speaker 5: young children. So I was devastated. Got back to Pennsylvania
[29:46] Speaker 5: where my family was. You know, we were all trying
[29:49] Speaker 5: to process this. But I will say that even at
[29:51] Speaker 5: the time, I was in my 30s at the time,
[29:55] Speaker 5: and I still thought, well, it's in the natural order.
[30:00] Speaker 5: I mean, I hated the way that he died, but
[30:03] Speaker 5: in my crazy 31-year-old mind, I thought, well, at least,
[30:08] Speaker 5: at least he had a wife. At least he got
[30:10] Speaker 5: to have grandchildren. At least he had all these friends,
[30:13] Speaker 5: you know, until all of his children got to be
[30:16] Speaker 5: 53 and well beyond. Then I realized how very, very
[30:20] Speaker 5: young 53 years old is. But in a short time,
[30:23] Speaker 5: I just got back to life. A couple of months
[30:26] Speaker 5: after my dad died, I was taking a shower. You'll
[30:30] Speaker 5: see that showers are a thing for me with signs.
[30:33] Speaker 5: But anyway, I was taking a shower and I was
[30:35] Speaker 5: thinking of my dad and I was crying and I
[30:37] Speaker 5: was washing my hair. And I was thinking because my
[30:40] Speaker 5: dad was my son's godfather and my son was only
[30:44] Speaker 5: two years old at the time. And I was thinking
[30:47] Speaker 5: how I was so lucky to have had time with
[30:49] Speaker 5: my grandparents. My son will never have that. My dad
[30:52] Speaker 5: will never get to see. And I was just having
[30:54] Speaker 5: thoughts about him. And all of a sudden I heard
[30:56] Speaker 5: a loud crash to the floor of the bathtub. And
[31:00] Speaker 5: I looked down and the shampoo bottle was laying on
[31:04] Speaker 5: the top floor. And I thought, well, that's really weird
[31:06] Speaker 5: because I have a thing that went over the shower
[31:09] Speaker 5: that has ledges, you know, for all everything's held in.
[31:11] Speaker 5: They don't just fall out. And so I didn't think
[31:14] Speaker 5: of it. I didn't really think anything of it right away.
[31:16] Speaker 5: I picked it up and I put it back and
[31:18] Speaker 5: I rinsed my hair and I turned around and it
[31:20] Speaker 5: was rinsing my hair. When I turned around, I heard
[31:22] Speaker 5: another crash. And it was the conditioner bottle was on
[31:26] Speaker 5: the floor of the shower.
[31:28] Speaker 3: And immediately, as soon.
[31:29] Speaker 5: As that happened, I thought of my dad. And instead
[31:33] Speaker 5: of crying, I started to laugh. And I said, did
[31:36] Speaker 5: you do that? Because that's never happened before. It didn't
[31:39] Speaker 5: happen again. But that real melancholy mood that I had,
[31:44] Speaker 5: you know, at the time just kind of dissipated. And
[31:48] Speaker 5: I thought about him for a few seconds. I don't
[31:49] Speaker 5: know at the time whether I thought like I didn't
[31:52] Speaker 5: know anything about, you know, being energy beings and the
[31:55] Speaker 5: ability to move things from one spot to another. So
[31:59] Speaker 5: I just thought I was happy. I was happy because
[32:01] Speaker 5: I wasn't feeling so sad anymore. And we just went
[32:04] Speaker 5: on with life. You know, we had 14 more years
[32:07] Speaker 5: being in the military and moving around and my husband
[32:10] Speaker 5: off to Afghanistan, off to Iraq, all these other kinds
[32:12] Speaker 5: of things. And I had my challenges with my kids.
[32:15] Speaker 5: I was mostly raising them alone. And especially my daughter,
[32:18] Speaker 5: she was a, she was a toughie. And I don't
[32:20] Speaker 5: think that she would be too upset for me to
[32:22] Speaker 5: say that, you know, they had great opportunities. They went
[32:25] Speaker 5: to college. My son was in college in 2014. And
[32:30] Speaker 5: now we're fast forwarding to 2014 Thanksgiving week. And we
[32:36] Speaker 5: got that call again. But this time it was my daughter.
[32:40] Speaker 5: And my daughter who was living in New York and
[32:42] Speaker 5: who was working for Macy's Corporation and who had many
[32:46] Speaker 5: different struggles, but she was doing very, very well with
[32:49] Speaker 5: her job. She was doing much better with her personal life.
[32:53] Speaker 5: She had died in her sleep. The telephone call that
[32:55] Speaker 5: we got was from the police. But you know, 25-year-olds
[32:59] Speaker 5: don't just die in their sleep. So there was a
[33:01] Speaker 5: big investigation that went on. She was out of state.
[33:04] Speaker 5: It was Thanksgiving week. We were out of state. So
[33:08] Speaker 5: we weren't able to see her at all for a week.
[33:13] Speaker 5: It was a week before they released her body and
[33:15] Speaker 5: let her come back. And, you know, from the moment
[33:19] Speaker 5: that I saw her in the funeral home, I immediately knew.
[33:25] Speaker 3: You are not in there.
[33:27] Speaker 5: I mean, it was her beautiful body that was laying there,
[33:30] Speaker 5: but it was devoid of, I mean, I knew she
[33:34] Speaker 5: had died, but she was completely devoid of all energy.
[33:38] Speaker 5: And one thing about Amber is she was energetic. She
[33:41] Speaker 5: was a super, super energetic person. She was always splitting
[33:46] Speaker 5: from one thing to the next. And I just immediately thought,
[33:50] Speaker 5: you know, where the heck are you? Like, where does
[33:53] Speaker 5: that go? Um, you know, so it was a really
[33:57] Speaker 5: surreal experience, but now she's been gone for seven days
[34:03] Speaker 5: and we have had unbelievable signs happening for seven days
[34:07] Speaker 5: that immediately I attributed them to her immediately starting the
[34:12] Speaker 5: very first day that we heard. But I talk about
[34:15] Speaker 5: lots of those in my first book, God Wings and
[34:18] Speaker 5: Amber Waves. So I'm not going to really get into
[34:20] Speaker 5: them too much, but I also recognized, this was months later,
[34:27] Speaker 5: that we had had a text conversation. Amber and I
[34:29] Speaker 5: had had a text conversation on Thursday and she died
[34:33] Speaker 5: that weekend. And we talked on the phone literally from
[34:37] Speaker 5: the moment that girl got up. You know, she's walking
[34:40] Speaker 5: to the subway, we're talking. She has to get off
[34:42] Speaker 5: because she's getting on the subway. I'll catch you when
[34:45] Speaker 5: I get up the steps. 15 minutes later, phone rings again.
[34:48] Speaker 5: We talked constantly and texted constantly. But Two days before
[34:53] Speaker 5: she died, I had asked her something in a text
[34:57] Speaker 5: and she texted me back. And I have these texts
[35:00] Speaker 5: and I want to just make sure that I have
[35:02] Speaker 5: it right. She said, we both know this body won't
[35:06] Speaker 5: be having children anytime. So that seems like a very
[35:09] Speaker 5: cruel thing for you to say, or maybe just delusional. Now,
[35:13] Speaker 5: let me just say, that is not my daughter. That
[35:17] Speaker 5: is not a way that we.
[35:19] Speaker 3: Talked to each other.
[35:21] Speaker 5: And this was in response to my watching a commercial
[35:25] Speaker 5: and saying, oh, when you have children, I want to
[35:28] Speaker 5: be called Nana instead of Grandma. And the response, which
[35:32] Speaker 5: came immediately, was we both know that this body won't
[35:35] Speaker 5: be having any children, that it was cruel and delusional.
[35:38] Speaker 5: And I just texted back like, what's this drama all about?
[35:42] Speaker 5: You know, I'm not cruel or delusional. She apologized and said,
[35:46] Speaker 5: I'm just having a bad night and we just let
[35:49] Speaker 5: it go. And it was only months and months later
[35:52] Speaker 5: when I was going back to our texts, because I
[35:55] Speaker 5: had never gotten a text like that from her before.
[35:57] Speaker 5: What did she mean that her body knew or I
[36:01] Speaker 5: should know that that body would not be having any children?
[36:05] Speaker 5: You know, I started to think about it. Like, did
[36:06] Speaker 5: her soul know this?
[36:08] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[36:09] Speaker 5: But it was just something because we were having so
[36:11] Speaker 5: many signs that just kept coming and coming and coming.
[36:14] Speaker 5: And not just for me. They happened to my sister
[36:17] Speaker 5: all the time. My sister was her godmother. And they
[36:20] Speaker 5: happened to one of her very best friends in New
[36:23] Speaker 5: York all the time. And they just kept coming and
[36:25] Speaker 5: coming to me. So I just journaled everything. I wrote
[36:28] Speaker 5: down everything when it happened, the day, everything that I
[36:31] Speaker 5: could remember about the signs. And I started trying to
[36:36] Speaker 5: figure out where all of my daughter's energy was. And
[36:40] Speaker 5: does she still exist? Does she exist somewhere? Because it
[36:43] Speaker 5: was really difficult to imagine going on for 10, 20, 30,
[36:47] Speaker 5: 40 years. without her, if there was no her somewhere.
[36:52] Speaker 5: So I started just reading everything I could get my
[36:55] Speaker 5: hands on. And in 2016 is when I found your book,
[37:01] Speaker 5: We Don't Die, A Skeptic's Discovery of Life After Death.
[37:04] Speaker 3: Friends, you never know how your words make a difference
[37:07] Speaker 3: because I never knew that a turning point for Lisa
[37:11] Speaker 3: was reading my book. When we come back from the break,
[37:15] Speaker 3: we'll hear some of Lisa's favorite stories of signs, Ask
[37:20] Speaker 3: you if you have any signs from your loved ones
[37:24] Speaker 3: and also how we can be a clearing for more
[37:28] Speaker 3: signs or to get signs from our loved ones in
[37:32] Speaker 3: our lives. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades
[37:36] Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
[37:40] Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
[38:05] Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Our guest, Lisa Lanuski, has, of course,
[38:09] Speaker 3: her own signs from the afterlife, but has been collecting
[38:12] Speaker 3: them from others. Let's continue.
[38:16] Speaker 5: One of the more touching stories, and I know very
[38:19] Speaker 5: difficult for this woman to write, she had two children
[38:24] Speaker 5: who both died in a car accident together. And she's
[38:27] Speaker 5: really held herself very responsible for She and her husband
[38:31] Speaker 5: were obviously absolutely devastated. She had a 19-year-old and a 14-year-old.
[38:37] Speaker 5: The 19-year-old went to pick up the 14-year-old and they
[38:40] Speaker 5: were both killed coming back. And she couldn't process any
[38:44] Speaker 5: of this at all. She had no knowledge of afterlife.
[38:49] Speaker 5: It was just everything for her to just get up
[38:51] Speaker 5: every single day. The police had given her back her
[38:55] Speaker 5: son's wallet and her son's phone. And those were put
[38:58] Speaker 5: into his room. And the children's rooms weren't touched. She
[39:01] Speaker 5: did not even go into these for years. When she
[39:05] Speaker 5: tells me that she was literally living out of her
[39:08] Speaker 5: washer and dryer and just washing it, wearing it again,
[39:11] Speaker 5: washing it, couldn't do anything. About seven months after this accident,
[39:17] Speaker 5: her husband received a voice message on his phone from
[39:21] Speaker 5: her son. And it just said, hi, dad, miss you.
[39:26] Speaker 5: And 19 seconds of just air before the call dropped.
[39:30] Speaker 5: And they went crazy. They didn't know what to do. Now,
[39:34] Speaker 5: she had never turned the service off for the phone,
[39:37] Speaker 5: but the phone was long dead and it had never
[39:40] Speaker 5: been moved. It was in her son's room on the nightstand.
[39:43] Speaker 5: They contacted Verizon. How could this have happened? This got
[39:47] Speaker 5: stuck in a like a log, a backlog. And they
[39:49] Speaker 5: just came through and they said, no, this is a current,
[39:54] Speaker 5: they did all these diagnostics and no, it was a
[39:56] Speaker 5: current call. And she said, that's not possible. That is
[39:59] Speaker 5: not possible. The phone has never been moved. It's been
[40:01] Speaker 5: in the same spot for seven months. It is dead
[40:03] Speaker 5: as a door. They wanted to know about shutting the
[40:06] Speaker 5: service off. No, she didn't want the service shut off,
[40:08] Speaker 5: but it was just like, explain. And there was no explanation.
[40:12] Speaker 5: There was absolutely no explanation for it. Other than that
[40:17] Speaker 5: a young person, was able to manipulate some electronics, which
[40:21] Speaker 5: we know through instrumental transcommunication happens. And it happens very
[40:26] Speaker 5: often with young people because they're very adept at this.
[40:30] Speaker 5: They were very adept at it in life. They're very
[40:32] Speaker 5: adept at it on the other side too. And she's
[40:35] Speaker 5: never gotten another one. They've never gotten anything else. But
[40:38] Speaker 5: that was enough to convince her, oh my gosh, maybe,
[40:44] Speaker 5: maybe from the other side.
[40:46] Speaker 3: Oh, wow. Let's just talk about some categories. Names. So
[40:50] Speaker 3: there's one about Jake, right? Appearing on a truck? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[40:56] Speaker 5: When the lady was with her mom. Yes. So this
[40:59] Speaker 5: was relatively soon, too, after Jake died. And her mother
[41:03] Speaker 5: was telling her, you know, we need to get out.
[41:05] Speaker 5: You can't stay in the house all the time. We
[41:06] Speaker 5: need to get out. And They were talking and she
[41:09] Speaker 5: just said, other people get signs. I just want a
[41:12] Speaker 5: sign from him that will let me know that he's okay.
[41:15] Speaker 5: I believe that he's okay, but I need a sign.
[41:18] Speaker 5: And I don't know where they went. They went and
[41:20] Speaker 5: did something. They got back in the car and she
[41:23] Speaker 5: just turned the car on and her mother said, oh
[41:26] Speaker 5: my God, look. And she looked up and she said
[41:29] Speaker 5: right in front of her was a semi, a truck.
[41:34] Speaker 5: And the whole entire side of the truck was white.
[41:38] Speaker 5: There was no graphics on it, no anything other than Jake,
[41:44] Speaker 5: just Jake. And she said, immediately, I knew it was
[41:49] Speaker 5: right there, right in front of my face. I said,
[41:51] Speaker 5: I just need a sign. And it was okay, big
[41:54] Speaker 5: enough for you. The morning that we found out that
[41:58] Speaker 5: my daughter died, we were in a different home. It
[42:01] Speaker 5: wasn't even our home. It wasn't in our state. It
[42:04] Speaker 5: was a family member's home. We were taking care of
[42:07] Speaker 5: their animals because they were gone away. And we were
[42:10] Speaker 5: all going to be getting ready for Thanksgiving together. So
[42:12] Speaker 5: that's why we were there so many days before. But
[42:15] Speaker 5: this is the end of November in Pennsylvania.
[42:18] Speaker 3: It is cold.
[42:19] Speaker 5: It is gray. And immediately outside of the kitchen window,
[42:23] Speaker 5: there was a red-tailed hawk sitting on the stone wall
[42:26] Speaker 5: looking into the kitchen. At that time, I didn't understand
[42:31] Speaker 5: anything really about signs. The only thing that I'd ever
[42:34] Speaker 5: really had was the shampoo thing with my dad. I'd
[42:37] Speaker 5: never given it any thought. My husband knew that was
[42:41] Speaker 5: the most unusual thing to see at that time of year,
[42:44] Speaker 5: sitting so close to the window, looking in at us
[42:48] Speaker 5: to the point where he took his cell phone out
[42:50] Speaker 5: and took a picture of it. That has continued to
[42:53] Speaker 5: be a sign for him always, especially if there's something
[42:57] Speaker 5: critical going on in his life. You talk about apparitions
[43:02] Speaker 5: and visions and things. You've got a story in your
[43:04] Speaker 5: book that a woman's, was it her mom that showed
[43:06] Speaker 5: up in a Hawaiian mumu?
[43:09] Speaker 3: Oh, at the pool.
[43:09] Speaker 1: Yes.
[43:10] Speaker 3: Will you tell that story?
[43:11] Speaker 5: Sure. Again, I'm not going to remember her name. Anyway,
[43:15] Speaker 5: she was at the pool, at a local community pool.
[43:19] Speaker 5: And she said it was really loud. Lots and lots
[43:21] Speaker 5: of people, lots of kids splashing around, everything. And then
[43:25] Speaker 5: for her experience was that everything got completely quiet. And
[43:32] Speaker 5: on the other side of the pool was her mother
[43:35] Speaker 5: standing in a Hawaiian muumuu. And her mom was standing
[43:39] Speaker 5: over there and her mother shared with her, but not speaking.
[43:43] Speaker 5: She didn't yell to her across the pool, but she said,
[43:45] Speaker 5: I got the message from my mother that she had
[43:48] Speaker 5: died from a pulmonary embolism. And it really shook this woman,
[43:53] Speaker 5: you know, and then. Everything was exactly as it was before,
[43:56] Speaker 5: noisy and children making noise. Mom wasn't there anymore, but
[44:01] Speaker 5: she was really affected by this. And so she called
[44:04] Speaker 5: her sister to make sure that her mother was okay.
[44:07] Speaker 5: And her sister had said that her mom was taken
[44:10] Speaker 5: to the hospital. She called the hospital and they couldn't
[44:15] Speaker 5: give her any information on her mother. And so her
[44:18] Speaker 5: sister had told her, no, that's.
[44:19] Speaker 3: Where she's taken.
[44:19] Speaker 5: You know, we're coming and whatever, we're doing our thing.
[44:23] Speaker 5: She just had the feeling. She called the morgue of
[44:26] Speaker 5: the hospital and they could not understand how this woman
[44:31] Speaker 5: knew that her mother was there because they hadn't even
[44:33] Speaker 5: processed her yet. They hadn't done anything. She had died
[44:37] Speaker 5: of a pulmonary embolism. And she had given that, that
[44:41] Speaker 5: she was okay. She gave it to her daughter. Like
[44:43] Speaker 5: it was a pulmonary embolism and I might be getting
[44:45] Speaker 5: it wrong. And I think that story might be in
[44:47] Speaker 5: my book.
[44:48] Speaker 1: It is.
[44:49] Speaker 5: But whatever, there were so many stories and I couldn't
[44:52] Speaker 5: include them all. I'm putting some of them on my
[44:54] Speaker 5: website now. I don't want to not include people's stories
[44:58] Speaker 5: because they're so sacred. And especially if you haven't told
[45:01] Speaker 5: it to someone else before, or even if you have
[45:04] Speaker 5: and you just want to share it. I think that,
[45:07] Speaker 5: what our loved ones on the other side do to
[45:10] Speaker 5: get these messages to us. And then we have to
[45:13] Speaker 5: be so receptive to take them. They deserve to be shared.
[45:16] Speaker 5: And so they added another page to my website for stories.
[45:21] Speaker 5: And I'm just going to continue adding to it. I
[45:24] Speaker 5: just encourage people to send them in. And if you
[45:26] Speaker 5: don't want them shared, you can just say for your
[45:28] Speaker 5: eyes only, don't share it. That's fine. I just think
[45:30] Speaker 5: it's so encouraging because, you know, early on in grief,
[45:37] Speaker 5: and I know I speak for you also, you don't
[45:40] Speaker 5: know the truth of what's out there. I wanted to
[45:43] Speaker 5: tell our listener today that some of the chapters in
[45:45] Speaker 5: Lisa's book are signs in nature, signs in unexpected places,
[45:51] Speaker 5: when messages come through others, signs that arrive through technology,
[45:58] Speaker 5: when we can't really explain it, recognizing and staying open
[46:03] Speaker 5: to signs. She's got 40-ish stories in her book, God
[46:08] Speaker 5: Winks and Hearts Heal, shared stories of signs and messages
[46:12] Speaker 5: from the other side. So what can we do as
[46:15] Speaker 5: human beings to be more aware of signs? And can
[46:19] Speaker 5: we ask for specifics? I think that we can ask
[46:22] Speaker 5: for specifics, but I don't think that's necessarily what we're
[46:26] Speaker 5: going to get. Some people have told me that, you know,
[46:28] Speaker 5: they asked and they got what they wanted. I think
[46:32] Speaker 5: that it's just more about us being as relaxed and
[46:36] Speaker 5: as open and trying to get ourselves. So you are
[46:40] Speaker 5: not going to be open to signs if you are
[46:45] Speaker 5: watching television and you're responding to emails on your iPad
[46:50] Speaker 5: and you're listening for the oven thing to go off.
[46:54] Speaker 5: You know, the multitasking is great. It's what we do
[46:57] Speaker 5: all the time, but we're not in an open state.
[47:00] Speaker 5: So what I have found is just being quiet for
[47:04] Speaker 5: a little while, just sitting, just thinking about my loved one,
[47:08] Speaker 5: just letting the thoughts come and go. A lot of
[47:11] Speaker 5: times for me, just thinking about certain memories is really helpful.
[47:16] Speaker 5: Getting out of the house, getting outside, Even when you
[47:19] Speaker 5: can hear the birds and the water and all that
[47:22] Speaker 5: other stuff, the wind is blowing. There's still an ability
[47:25] Speaker 5: to calm yourself and enjoy all of that, but go inward.
[47:31] Speaker 5: Writing things down is really helpful for me because I
[47:36] Speaker 5: tend to dismiss things way too easily. Even now, 12
[47:41] Speaker 5: years later, I'm still like, I wonder. You know, I
[47:46] Speaker 5: write it down because you go back and you can
[47:49] Speaker 5: see patterns in things. Just the other day, three things
[47:53] Speaker 5: in a row happened. I told my husband afterwards and
[47:57] Speaker 5: I'm like, that's crazy. Isn't that crazy? But you can
[48:00] Speaker 5: encourage signs just by talking to your loved ones and
[48:04] Speaker 5: letting them know you're open to it. You can send
[48:08] Speaker 5: anything to me and I'm open. I'm not frightened. I'm
[48:11] Speaker 5: not going to be skeptical because I know that you
[48:14] Speaker 5: love me and I know that you want me to
[48:16] Speaker 5: be okay.
[48:17] Speaker 3: Boy, do our loved ones love us and they want
[48:21] Speaker 3: us to be okay. They know how difficult life is.
[48:25] Speaker 3: Lisa loves hearing about signs. You can read them on
[48:29] Speaker 3: her website and you can send them to her. Her
[48:32] Speaker 3: website is lisalanuski.com. Let me spell her last name. L-A-N-I-E-W-S-K-I. Also,
[48:42] Speaker 3: if you want to find out more about Don Winner
[48:45] Speaker 3: and read many of the articles on his website, it
[48:49] Speaker 3: is winnernde.com. I know we now have over 300 episodes
[48:57] Speaker 3: of Shades of the Afterlife. There's so many different reasons
[49:00] Speaker 3: to believe so many stories. I hope you scroll back
[49:04] Speaker 3: through them. Or if you haven't heard them in a
[49:06] Speaker 3: long time, pick one randomly. From all the stories of
[49:11] Speaker 3: the afterlife, the commonality is this life is for loving,
[49:17] Speaker 3: being forgiving, being kind. making a difference for others, and
[49:23] Speaker 3: going after our dreams. Those we see are just another
[49:26] Speaker 3: one of us with their own worries, fears, tough times.
[49:30] Speaker 3: But each and every one of us has those invisible
[49:34] Speaker 3: cheerleaders all around us that we will see again. And yes,
[49:39] Speaker 3: don't forget to come visit me at wedontdie.com, get a
[49:42] Speaker 3: free copy of my book, come to our free Sunday
[49:45] Speaker 3: gathering with medium demonstration included. And lastly, if any of
[49:49] Speaker 3: these episodes make a difference, get into conversation with people
[49:53] Speaker 3: about them. You never know who's hurting and that these
[49:57] Speaker 3: words could make a difference for In closing, I'm Sandra Champlain,
[50:01] Speaker 3: and from the very bottom of my heart, thank you
[50:04] Speaker 3: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
[50:09] Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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