# Reptoid Aliens - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 9/7/26

An episode of [The Best of Coast to Coast AM](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1206175991), 8 Sep 2026, 20 min.

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George Noory and author John Rhodes discuss his research into UFOs and reptilian aliens, if the aliens may be coming from inside the Hollow Earth, and the death threats he received for trying to expose the existence of the reptilian aliens to mankind. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
[0:05] Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norrie with you.
[0:07] Speaker 2: John Rhodes with us, also known as the Crypto Hunter,
[0:11] Speaker 2: one of America's most outspoken and controversial UFO researchers. We'll
[0:15] Speaker 2: find out why. He is known around the world for
[0:18] Speaker 2: his pioneering work researching reports of reptilian humanoids, contacts in
[0:23] Speaker 2: his out-of-the-box perspective regarding UFOs, Alien Encounters, The Hollow Earth,
[0:28] Speaker 2: and Secret Government Technologies. Here he is back on Coast
[0:31] Speaker 2: to Coast, John Rhodes. Hey, John, how you been?
[0:35] Speaker 3: Hey, Tom, how are you?
[0:37] Speaker 2: Tom's okay, but George is even better. I'm sorry, I
[0:40] Speaker 2: was down there.
[0:42] Speaker 3: Back on the air again. Yes, hi, George, how are
[0:45] Speaker 3: you doing?
[0:46] Speaker 2: All good, John. What's new with you?
[0:49] Speaker 3: Well, as you know, it's been an interesting development recently
[0:53] Speaker 3: in the news, you know, in regards to... you know,
[0:56] Speaker 3: a disclosure and what people have brought up as issues
[1:00] Speaker 3: of conversation that haven't even been broached before. And I'm,
[1:03] Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about that. Even if nothing is revealed
[1:06] Speaker 3: to us, just the fact that we've changed the language
[1:10] Speaker 3: in ufology and in, in the human experience, wondering where
[1:14] Speaker 3: these creatures might be, because now they're saying, well, they're
[1:18] Speaker 3: obviously not human, but that doesn't mean that they're extraterrestrial either.
[1:22] Speaker 3: So it's a very interesting development and, in our discussions
[1:25] Speaker 3: with the government, which I'm not personally involved in, but
[1:28] Speaker 3: I'm just saying at the higher levels and bringing it
[1:31] Speaker 3: out to the public's awareness, it's just made major leaps.
[1:34] Speaker 2: Why is the government even finally releasing what they have
[1:38] Speaker 2: released to date, John? Why do you think that?
[1:41] Speaker 3: I think it's just a slow drizzle of information that's
[1:44] Speaker 3: supposed to overwhelm us. It's like the government giving us
[1:49] Speaker 3: millions of documents and expecting us to be able to
[1:52] Speaker 3: read it or even have an AI to read it.
[1:53] Speaker 3: It's not really possible. I think it's just the drizzle
[1:56] Speaker 3: of information coming out that's a desensitization process. And I'm
[2:02] Speaker 3: just getting a feeling sooner or later that there is
[2:05] Speaker 3: going to be presented some sort of an extraterrestrial, maybe
[2:09] Speaker 3: not a contact or something, but the presentation of an
[2:12] Speaker 3: extraterrestrial threat in order to unify a world order. and
[2:16] Speaker 3: bring everybody together under one law, one representation. Because it
[2:21] Speaker 3: might be, even in a peaceful contact, that the aliens themselves,
[2:25] Speaker 3: as we know them to be, may actually say, we
[2:28] Speaker 3: cannot go into different agreements with everybody, so we need
[2:31] Speaker 3: one voice for one world, so you guys have to
[2:34] Speaker 3: figure it out. And I think under those constraints, and
[2:37] Speaker 3: that kind of shock and awe, I think it would
[2:40] Speaker 3: really motivate people to change the world in some fantastic,
[2:44] Speaker 3: but very scary ways.
[2:47] Speaker 2: John, why are you labeled the controversial UFO researcher?
[2:53] Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's because in the beginning, my focus
[2:56] Speaker 3: was more in cryptozoology. And I started talking about beings
[3:00] Speaker 3: that were of Earth origin that had reached an intelligence, perhaps.
[3:05] Speaker 3: And that didn't really make cryptozoologists feel happy, because anytime
[3:09] Speaker 3: you start talking that way, they're so desperate to feel
[3:11] Speaker 3: taken seriously. And the in the field of investigations that
[3:16] Speaker 3: they want to distance themselves from somebody saying something like that. So,
[3:20] Speaker 3: and in addition to that, we have people who are
[3:22] Speaker 3: always using the terms extraterrestrial, and that was very difficult
[3:26] Speaker 3: to break through over the years because everybody was focused
[3:29] Speaker 3: on beings coming from off our planet and instead of
[3:33] Speaker 3: on our planet. And that was very, I guess, a
[3:35] Speaker 3: maverick approach that I was taking compared to what everybody
[3:39] Speaker 3: else was doing in ufology. So I was really, and
[3:42] Speaker 3: I still am, just kind of an outsider. So I'm
[3:46] Speaker 3: looking in. I'm a witness to history at this point because,
[3:50] Speaker 3: as you know, we've been in discussions for many, many,
[3:53] Speaker 3: many years about this subject matter And people all over
[3:57] Speaker 3: the world are acting like they've just discovered it. And
[3:59] Speaker 3: there's people now talking about, oh, I just discovered this
[4:02] Speaker 3: the other day. That kind of social reaction is bound
[4:07] Speaker 3: to take place. But it's important for us to recognize
[4:10] Speaker 3: what really happened in the past and how it developed.
[4:12] Speaker 3: Because I think we're coming into a time in which
[4:15] Speaker 3: we may actually have contact between species. I hope that
[4:19] Speaker 3: I'm alive to actually eyewitness that day occurring.
[4:24] Speaker 2: I hope you are, too, because you deserve it, my friend.
[4:26] Speaker 2: What got you involved in the first place with the
[4:28] Speaker 2: reptoid subject? How did you come into that?
[4:32] Speaker 3: Originally, I was just meeting people and hearing stories taking place.
[4:38] Speaker 3: I just needed something as a break, and I went
[4:41] Speaker 3: in to talk to people who were listening to UFOs
[4:44] Speaker 3: and everything, and I started noticing a pattern in which
[4:47] Speaker 3: one or two of them would pull me aside and
[4:49] Speaker 3: say something about a species that they didn't want to
[4:52] Speaker 3: talk to anybody else about because it was so different.
[4:55] Speaker 3: And I heard that enough from different groups that I
[4:58] Speaker 3: started moving from one group to another, chasing down a
[5:01] Speaker 3: pattern that I thought I was feeling and sensing. And
[5:04] Speaker 3: it just developed more and more. And when I started
[5:07] Speaker 3: discovering the work of paleontologist Dale Russell, who basically took
[5:12] Speaker 3: the advanced dinosaur named Truodon and advanced it morphologically through time,
[5:18] Speaker 3: forward through time, to show where it was physically headed,
[5:21] Speaker 3: he arrived at this upright model that looked what you
[5:24] Speaker 3: could describe as a reptilian humanoid. And he said that
[5:27] Speaker 3: if they had not died out 65 million years ago,
[5:31] Speaker 3: that eventually, if mammals didn't become what we were, that
[5:35] Speaker 3: these beings may have evolved a humanoid shape as well,
[5:38] Speaker 3: because the humanoid form may be something that's not so
[5:41] Speaker 3: unusual in the universe.
[5:44] Speaker 2: Who coined the phrase reptoid? Did that come from you?
[5:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, reptilian humanoids, it just kept, it was too long,
[5:53] Speaker 3: dribbling off the tongue all the time. So just in short,
[5:57] Speaker 3: I called them reptoids. It made sense. But of course,
[6:01] Speaker 3: over the years, competitive researchers developed their own terminology and
[6:05] Speaker 3: their own names for these beings. And of course, that's
[6:08] Speaker 3: just no different than history. When you look back in history,
[6:11] Speaker 3: All around the world, the ancient cultures reported similar type
[6:16] Speaker 3: of beings and recorded them in their own myths and
[6:19] Speaker 3: their own legends. And they all had different names. So
[6:24] Speaker 3: it's just, again, one magnitude, the same measurement.
[6:28] Speaker 2: Let's talk about the various hypotheses involved with this. Let's
[6:32] Speaker 2: talk about terrestrial reptoid hypothesis. What does that mean, John?
[6:37] Speaker 3: It's basically talking about how we... In the past, we
[6:42] Speaker 3: had stories in literature and in early filmmaking, which really
[6:49] Speaker 3: we were talking about the monsters all the time in
[6:53] Speaker 3: ancient myth. They were talking about creatures coming up from underground.
[6:56] Speaker 3: And it wasn't until really in the 1940s that, and
[7:00] Speaker 3: Orson Welles, of course, launched it out previous to that,
[7:02] Speaker 3: but the event that really changed everybody's heads and turned
[7:06] Speaker 3: them around towards outer space was, of course, the sightings
[7:10] Speaker 3: that Kenneth Arnold had. And then everybody was looking upwards.
[7:14] Speaker 3: And it was very difficult since that time to be
[7:17] Speaker 3: able to get people to cast their eyes down towards
[7:19] Speaker 3: the Earth, because you might be imagining what's available out there,
[7:23] Speaker 3: and scientists aren't going to tell you, even if they knew.
[7:26] Speaker 3: But if you start looking on your own planet, to
[7:29] Speaker 3: where we've only discovered about maybe 18% of life at
[7:31] Speaker 3: this point, That, you know, that there's a lot of
[7:35] Speaker 3: life out there we have not met. And I guarantee
[7:38] Speaker 3: you there are some big, big surprises out there. And
[7:42] Speaker 3: it just if they're small pocket civilizations, perhaps they have
[7:47] Speaker 3: been ancient and have retreated under the earth during surface
[7:51] Speaker 3: devastations in antiquity. So we have no idea really what's
[7:55] Speaker 3: underneath the surface of the planet. And the government doesn't
[7:58] Speaker 3: really want us to venture in there. So they want
[8:01] Speaker 3: us to be disposable on the outside like a human shield.
[8:05] Speaker 2: Might this also tie into the hollow Earth theory?
[8:10] Speaker 3: Yes and no. You know, there's a lot of people
[8:12] Speaker 3: that believe that just like a geode can form, the
[8:15] Speaker 3: Earth would also maybe form also with a hollow interior.
[8:19] Speaker 3: Even centrifuge would spin from an inner core of the
[8:22] Speaker 3: heavier iron and atoms outwards. So you'd get a more
[8:26] Speaker 3: dense crust forming and the lighter... density materials would be
[8:31] Speaker 3: internal and subjected to great heat. And during the times
[8:36] Speaker 3: of millions and millions of years of this happening, you know,
[8:39] Speaker 3: these pocket little bubble packs and volcanoes and tunnels and
[8:43] Speaker 3: systems have opened up all over the Earth. One two-thousandths
[8:47] Speaker 3: of this Earth's surface has an opening underground. And I
[8:51] Speaker 3: think it was, remember years ago, we had, you had
[8:54] Speaker 3: her talk on the air, the gal that was the
[8:57] Speaker 3: caver down in Mexico. that went down there and she
[9:02] Speaker 3: went down like two or three rope steps and she
[9:05] Speaker 3: found tracks underground that were reptilian but the surprise was
[9:10] Speaker 3: there was no sign of that dragging a tail so
[9:13] Speaker 3: the scientists that were underground there had thought that maybe
[9:18] Speaker 3: this was a bipedal creature. So these are the kind
[9:21] Speaker 3: of reports that scientists get that they just hold close
[9:24] Speaker 3: to the chest because once they start talking it's not
[9:27] Speaker 3: beneficial to them. Dale Russell came up with the dinosauroid
[9:31] Speaker 3: thought experiment. I was in conversations with him in the
[9:34] Speaker 3: earliest development of my research, and he told me it
[9:37] Speaker 3: was just not economically sound to continue the line of
[9:44] Speaker 3: research that I was in. And it was really because
[9:47] Speaker 3: there's pressures to not go there from all directions. And
[9:51] Speaker 3: when I was first looking into the reptilian thing, the
[9:54] Speaker 3: most interesting thing I found was that I never seemed
[9:57] Speaker 3: to find any kind of outside pressure until I started
[10:02] Speaker 3: dealing with the fact that I was presenting them from
[10:05] Speaker 3: a terrestrial point of view. Then all of a sudden,
[10:08] Speaker 3: I started having people around me that were locked into
[10:12] Speaker 3: certain security channels and stuff like that that I had
[10:15] Speaker 3: known through family contacts and stuff just start backing away.
[10:19] Speaker 3: and they didn't want anything to discuss because it was
[10:23] Speaker 3: a touchy subject. And, you know, I can understand that.
[10:29] Speaker 3: At one point, you know, I had death threats coming
[10:31] Speaker 3: to me, and I had to go to the FBI
[10:33] Speaker 3: down in Las Vegas about them because they were coming
[10:35] Speaker 3: over the Internet, and I explained to them what was happening. And,
[10:39] Speaker 3: you know, during the early research of that, it earned
[10:42] Speaker 3: no respect because their attitude with me was, what do
[10:46] Speaker 3: you expect?
[10:49] Speaker 2: What kind of person would be making death threats to you?
[10:52] Speaker 2: Some wacko?
[10:53] Speaker 3: Well, you know, Noel, some people who are religiously invested
[11:00] Speaker 3: feel that this reptilian humanoid form has something to do
[11:06] Speaker 3: with the devil or demons. You remember when disclosure and
[11:09] Speaker 3: discussion started talking about the alien, the four alien types,
[11:13] Speaker 3: when the reptilian alien was brought up as one of
[11:16] Speaker 3: the four types and Immediately, there were reactions in religious areas,
[11:21] Speaker 3: and the whole subject matter was written off as demonic.
[11:25] Speaker 3: And then I think that was from our vice president.
[11:27] Speaker 3: So we have to be careful because some people may
[11:30] Speaker 3: give up reason when they're scared. And we understand demonic
[11:37] Speaker 3: possessions can take place, but one of the most important
[11:41] Speaker 3: things is we have a physical world. We need to
[11:43] Speaker 3: determine what's going on to protect it. And who is
[11:47] Speaker 3: it that we live with? And perhaps we need to
[11:52] Speaker 3: get used to other creatures that have gained intelligence before
[11:55] Speaker 3: we deserve the right to reach out and have contact
[11:58] Speaker 3: with something that's off our planet. We don't know how
[12:00] Speaker 3: they think.
[12:01] Speaker 4: And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.
[12:02] Speaker 4: This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen and Malachi
[12:05] Speaker 4: Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. I understand that Malachi, who's eight,
[12:10] Speaker 4: almost nine years old now, was suffering with Not just
[12:14] Speaker 4: one or two warts, but I mean a significant outbreak
[12:17] Speaker 4: of warts all over his body. So significant it impacted
[12:19] Speaker 4: his ability to really function.
[12:22] Speaker 5: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to write.
[12:25] Speaker 5: It was Ty's book actually that got me thinking about it.
[12:28] Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immunomodulator. And so
[12:32] Speaker 1: I can see that it would work.
[12:34] Speaker 4: And so at what point did you see that there
[12:36] Speaker 4: was actually improvement? It was really going to work?
[12:39] Speaker 5: Well, look, we really started to notice it around 12
[12:41] Speaker 5: weeks later. you can see these things actually getting smaller
[12:45] Speaker 5: and smaller and then going down to where they're just
[12:48] Speaker 5: little red marks. The whole things are gone. And we're
[12:50] Speaker 5: talking about one the size of a walnut. I thought,
[12:53] Speaker 5: no way that's going to.
[12:54] Speaker 1: Wow.
[12:55] Speaker 5: It's just been miraculous to see him get into a
[12:57] Speaker 5: pair of shoes.
[12:58] Speaker 1: Yes.
[12:59] Speaker 4: How wonderful.
[13:00] Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy and confident.
[13:03] Speaker 4: Absolutely wonderful.
[13:04] Speaker 5: Our friends that have seen it, they're just blown away.
[13:07] Speaker 6: Ty, this is awesome.
[13:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.
[13:09] Speaker 6: Another amazing story.
[13:10] Speaker 4: Why?
[13:11] Speaker 6: We're talking about carnivora. Call them to awaken your immune
[13:14] Speaker 6: system and protect yourself now.
[13:15] Speaker 2: Call 1-866-836-8735.
[13:19] Speaker 6: That's 1-866-836-8735 or visit carnivora.com C-A-R-N-I-V-O-R-A carnivora.com Now what would
[13:31] Speaker 6: the interdimensional hypothesis consist of?
[13:36] Speaker 3: Um, tricky one. Okay, so when you look at the
[13:40] Speaker 3: myths and you start gathering together with the research and
[13:44] Speaker 3: you start thinking what's the trail and where does it
[13:47] Speaker 3: lead between all of it, it looks like maybe perhaps
[13:50] Speaker 3: a long time ago there was, and I'm reaching out there, okay,
[13:55] Speaker 3: this is just, I'm just subjecting myself to imagining what
[14:01] Speaker 3: it would be like, that an alien species out there
[14:07] Speaker 3: that was mainly reptilian humanoid lived on the planet prior
[14:11] Speaker 3: to human occupation or human evolution where we reached the
[14:15] Speaker 3: level that we have. And that something devastating happened And
[14:20] Speaker 3: that most of them died thrusting their souls out of
[14:24] Speaker 3: their body into another dimension nearby, which we call death.
[14:29] Speaker 3: And it was overwhelmed with souls on that side. And
[14:32] Speaker 3: they found it impossible to be able to physicalize themselves
[14:37] Speaker 3: in our dimension again. And they were trapped out there.
[14:41] Speaker 3: Some people believe this is where demons may come from.
[14:44] Speaker 3: It's something that's trying to break through. And it's interesting.
[14:50] Speaker 3: It's scary if you think of it that way. But
[14:54] Speaker 3: I remember years ago, this was like 95, 94, 95.
[14:59] Speaker 3: I was dating this gal and she had a friend
[15:02] Speaker 3: and the friend, her friend brought her boyfriend over and
[15:05] Speaker 3: they had dinner with us. And the boyfriend who we
[15:08] Speaker 3: had known before was very sad. And it turns out
[15:11] Speaker 3: that his daughter had died. And we saw them maybe
[15:18] Speaker 3: about two years later, and we had dinner, and then
[15:20] Speaker 3: he seemed fine. And we said, well, how did you
[15:23] Speaker 3: recover so strong? How did you recover like that? And
[15:26] Speaker 3: he goes, well, you know, my job is pruning garden
[15:29] Speaker 3: in a churchyard. And he says, and I was thinking
[15:33] Speaker 3: about my daughter as I was pruning these roses, and
[15:36] Speaker 3: all of a sudden I found myself in another place.
[15:39] Speaker 3: It was strange. It was strange. It was a town's
[15:44] Speaker 3: public square, a small village square, and there was a fountain,
[15:48] Speaker 3: and I was sitting on the edge of the fountain,
[15:49] Speaker 3: and my daughter was sitting with me. And everybody was
[15:53] Speaker 3: dressed in robes, and they were walking about, and she's
[15:57] Speaker 3: talking to me and asking me not to be sorrowful
[16:00] Speaker 3: because where everybody goes is so beautiful that that's why
[16:03] Speaker 3: nobody really wants to come back. And she said she's
[16:06] Speaker 3: very happy there, and she wanted him to rest his sorrows.
[16:12] Speaker 3: And then as he was telling us over dinner this event,
[16:18] Speaker 3: he started looking strange. I said, well, what's wrong? And
[16:21] Speaker 3: he goes, well, something really strange. Now, these people knew
[16:25] Speaker 3: nothing about my interests. He said, when I was looking
[16:30] Speaker 3: at her, her eyes had vertical slit pupils like a snake.
[16:35] Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
[16:36] Speaker 3: And he says, and then ever since that happened, he says,
[16:41] Speaker 3: I was completely and totally at peace. Okay, this is
[16:46] Speaker 3: the strength of a spiritual, psychologically spiritual, psycho-spiritual event that
[16:54] Speaker 3: takes place in which just the imagery overlay over human
[16:59] Speaker 3: form had somebody react so strongly that they pulled him
[17:04] Speaker 3: out of a deep sorrow like that. It didn't scare him, huh?
[17:09] Speaker 3: It didn't scare him at all. So it's very interesting
[17:13] Speaker 3: because you have to wonder what's going on. And there
[17:17] Speaker 3: is a deep part of the human brain that we
[17:19] Speaker 3: inherited from the reptiles before we were mammals. And that
[17:23] Speaker 3: means there's some sort of a reach back in that
[17:26] Speaker 3: genetic consciousness. And sometimes that can unveil itself before us.
[17:31] Speaker 3: And some people believe these are physical encounters when they're
[17:34] Speaker 3: actually projections from their own imagination. And they're very difficult
[17:40] Speaker 3: to tell apart. because the people who have them in
[17:45] Speaker 3: the dream state are very invested emotionally in the experience,
[17:51] Speaker 3: just as what they are when they're physical. But it's
[17:54] Speaker 3: very hard to determine which are real and which aren't,
[17:58] Speaker 3: because we have been informed and we have looked at
[18:01] Speaker 3: the reports that these beings have technology that enables them
[18:05] Speaker 3: to change the density of their atomic form and move
[18:07] Speaker 3: through solid matter, so you cannot hurt them. You cannot
[18:12] Speaker 3: imprison them. You cannot do anything. And this, of course,
[18:15] Speaker 3: follows along with the reports, which I know you've heard
[18:17] Speaker 3: about people saying, well, I was horizontal and I saw
[18:20] Speaker 3: the ceiling moving and I realized they were taking me out,
[18:22] Speaker 3: but there was no structure, but we went through a wall.
[18:25] Speaker 3: And then you've heard those stories yourself. So there's some
[18:28] Speaker 3: sort of technology out there that enables an advanced civilization
[18:33] Speaker 3: to change atomic matter so it doesn't have any weight. Well,
[18:36] Speaker 3: we know that they're doing something strange with craft. So
[18:39] Speaker 3: they probably experiment in all kinds of ways, including creating
[18:42] Speaker 3: some sort of an exotic dolly or forklift that's made
[18:45] Speaker 3: of electromagnetic energy. So it's very difficult to tell which
[18:51] Speaker 3: of these reports are real and which aren't, especially now
[18:54] Speaker 3: because there's been so much social contamination with people who
[18:57] Speaker 3: are just writing books and making up stories that the
[19:02] Speaker 3: real research starts fading out and getting washed away. And
[19:05] Speaker 3: so right now it's an experience for all of us
[19:08] Speaker 3: to sit back and see what the government's going to
[19:10] Speaker 3: say next. I'm concerned that the pro-military industrial congressional complex
[19:17] Speaker 3: and science complex is going to look at this as
[19:19] Speaker 3: an opportunity to maybe have some sort of a global
[19:23] Speaker 3: conflict and out of it thin the crowd a little
[19:26] Speaker 3: bit and make the shock and awe, have us all
[19:28] Speaker 3: think of a new world as well as a new
[19:31] Speaker 3: world order. And I think we might just kind of
[19:34] Speaker 3: be in... We might be the actors and the actresses,
[19:38] Speaker 3: the unwilling and unknown actors and actresses in the whole
[19:42] Speaker 3: game plan.
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