# #512 Sleep Optimization and CBT for Insomnia with Ashley E. Mason, PhD

An episode of [The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1198732014), 19 Jan 2026, 2 h 07 min.

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What Dreams May Come Breeze through your next visit for insomnia. Learn how to comfortably approach insomnia and optimize sleep. We touch on specifics such as cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia or the effects of various sleep-related drugs/supplements, and how to taper down from them. We are joined by Ashley E. Mason, PhD (UCSF). Claim CME for this episode at curbsiders.vcuhealth.org! Patreon | Episodes | Subscribe | Spotify | YouTube | Newsletter | Contact | Swag! | CME Show Segments • Intro • Case • Understanding patient’s goals • Cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia • Stimulus control • Sleep Hygiene • Time-in-bed restriction • Impact of different medications/substances on sleep • Tapering off medications • Outro Credits • Producer and Writer: Matthew Watto MD, FACP • Producer, Show Notes, Infographic, and Cover art: Edison Jyang, MD • Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP • Reviewer: Sai S Achi, MD, MBA, FACP • Showrunners: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP • Technical Production: PodPaste • Guest: Ashley E. Mason, PhD Disclosures Dr. Mason has disclosed the following: Financial Relationships: Evolve Global, consulting fee and stock options; Oura Health, consulting fee. The Curbsiders report no relevant financial disclosures. Sponsor: FIGS Take 15% off your first order at Wearfigs.com with the code FIGSRX. Sponsor: Continuing Education Company Visit CMEmeeting.org/curbsiders and use promo code Curb30 for 30% off all online courses and webcasts. Sponsor: Mint Mobile Shop Mint Unlimited Plans at mintmobile.com/CURB.

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