# The Search for an Exciting Moderate

An episode of [Pod Save America](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1192761536), 26 Jul 2026, 1 h 15 min.

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What does a positive vision for the center-left look like? Can moderation still excite the Democratic base? Matt Yglesias, who writes the Slow Boring newsletter and hosts The Argument podcast, talks to Jon about his vision for the Democratic Party and why he believes more Democrats need to embrace heterodoxy. The two discuss how the policy debate could play out in the upcoming presidential primary, the role charisma and attention-getting play in politics, and which Democrats are best positioned to win in 2028. For a transcript of this episode, email transcripts@crooked.com

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