# 560. When Does Masculinity Become Toxic? | David French

An episode of [The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1184022695), 7 Jul 2025, 1 h 12 min.

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Sparked by French’s recent New York Times article, “The Democrats’ $20 Million Man Problem,” he and Jordan Peterson discuss the societal failures contributing to male alienation—fatherlessness, loss of purpose, overmedication, and a culture that increasingly pathologizes masculinity. French shares personal insights as a father, veteran, and conservative commentator (Who is regularly published in Liberal outlets), and the two expand on themes of demoralization, the need for intentional rites of passage, and the psychological appeal of figures like Andrew Tate. The conversation closes with a stark agreement—we urgently need to reach young men with empathy, structure, and a meaningful vision for life. This episode was filmed on July 2nd, 2025 | Links | For David French: On X https://x.com/davidafrench?lang=en Read David’s work on the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french#latest Read David’s most recent book, “Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation” https://a.co/d/1Ne3VBS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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