# Don’t Joke About Bigfoot. Bigfoot Is Real! - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 495

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 3 Sep 2025, 1 h 02 min.

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Tonight’s guest, Kirk Brandenburg, is a Sasquatch investigator who is based in Washington State. Kirk does most of his investigating in the Cascade Mountains but occasionally heads over to the Olympics or North Central Washington to look for evidence. Kirk has been interested in Sasquatch for as long as he can remember but what really set the hook in him was a conversation he had with a coworker, at a work-related party. You see, at that party, one of Kirk’s coworkers told him about a Sasquatch encounter he’d had. After listening to that coworker talk about his experience, Kirk had officially caught the Bigfoot bug. Never in his wildest dreams did Kirk ever think he’d go on to have his own experiences with Sasquatch but that’s exactly what happened. He also never would have thought he’d be responsible for helping to develop a new technology for more effective thermal vision technology but that’s exactly what he went on to do. On tonight’s show, he’s going to share some of his experiences with you and talk about that new thermal vision technology. We hope you’ll tune in, so you can listen to him do that. Kirk has a YouTube channel called “Study Sasquatch.” If you’d like to check it out his Study Sasquatch YouTube Channel, which we hope you will, please visit… https://www.youtube.com/@studysasquatch Here’s a link to part 1 of the New Mexico video Kirk mentioned… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQmXqMqELM Here’s a link to part 2 of the New Mexico video Kirk mentioned… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP4EbmWwfqU Here’s a link to the Log Peeker Video Kirk mentioned filming in the Blue Mountains… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANf3UoovssM Here’s a link to the video where Kirk, Doug Howe, and Boyd Omer went back to the North Cascades to revisit the place where Kirk had his sighting… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxgjgBV9YIE If you’ve had a Sasquatch sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. I’d love to hear from you. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

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[0:14] Speaker 2: My name is Kirk Brandenburg. I'm a sasquatch researcher based
[0:19] Speaker 2: in Washington State and I primarily work in the Cascades.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll drift over to the Olympics as well, or
[0:28] Speaker 2: even North central Washington, but most of the time I'm
[0:30] Speaker 2: in the central and southern Cascades of Washington. And I
[0:38] Speaker 2: first got into this subject when I was at a
[0:42] Speaker 2: work party and a friend told me about his sasquatch encounter,
[0:47] Speaker 2: and it totally amazed me. I'd always had an interest
[0:50] Speaker 2: in the subject, but after hearing his encounter and how
[0:55] Speaker 2: he told it, it really had an effect on me.
[0:57] Speaker 2: He's always a life of the party and joking and everything,
[1:00] Speaker 2: and we were all laughing at his jokes, and then
[1:03] Speaker 2: I made a comment something like, uh, like, that's as
[1:07] Speaker 2: silly as Bigfoot, and all of a sudden, all the
[1:09] Speaker 2: joy I left his face and he got super serious
[1:14] Speaker 2: and said, don't joke about that. That stuff's real, and
[1:18] Speaker 2: I cornered him later and said, why did you have
[1:21] Speaker 2: such a reaction, And then he told me about his
[1:24] Speaker 2: encounter and how he saw two sasquatches walking on a
[1:28] Speaker 2: road when he was delivering a dozer to a logging site,
[1:32] Speaker 2: and that had an effect on me to the point
[1:35] Speaker 2: where I thought, I got to start looking into this more.
[1:38] Speaker 2: I've always had an interest, but I got to get deeper,
[1:41] Speaker 2: and so I started researching on the internet. Found the
[1:45] Speaker 2: BFRO so that they had expeditions and at the time,
[1:50] Speaker 2: they had what was called the Blueboards on the BFRO
[1:53] Speaker 2: website and they would post synopsis or a report of
[2:01] Speaker 2: the expedition results when they would have expeditions. And there
[2:05] Speaker 2: was an expedition in Washington where the Sasquatches were walking
[2:09] Speaker 2: through the camp and there were multiple witnesses who saw them,
[2:13] Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, that's amazing. I got to get
[2:16] Speaker 2: involved in this, and so in nine I signed up
[2:19] Speaker 2: for my first BFRORO expedition here in Washington, and within
[2:24] Speaker 2: two years after that, I was organizing BFRO expeditions and
[2:28] Speaker 2: leading them. And I became an investigator with the BFRO
[2:33] Speaker 2: and ended up leading i'd say about ten expeditions. I
[2:36] Speaker 2: don't know, I've lost track, but it's a great way
[2:41] Speaker 2: to get involved in the subject, to meet people who
[2:44] Speaker 2: are interested in the subject, and to learn and then
[2:49] Speaker 2: go from there. I was encouraged people who are new
[2:53] Speaker 2: to the subject to consider signing up for a BFRO expedition. Yeah.
[2:57] Speaker 2: I know it costs a little bit of money, but
[2:58] Speaker 2: what you get from it is it's definitely worth it.
[3:02] Speaker 2: So I got into the subject then. And then one
[3:06] Speaker 2: of the new things coming on board was thermal cameras,
[3:11] Speaker 2: an ability to see in the dark, and they were
[3:14] Speaker 2: better than night vision devices. And one of the things
[3:19] Speaker 2: that often happened in my early camping trips research trips
[3:23] Speaker 2: with friends was my friends would see shadows moving between
[3:28] Speaker 2: trees and they do I say, I think there's a
[3:31] Speaker 2: big foot right over there. When during night walks, you know,
[3:34] Speaker 2: and I let my imagination run wild with them, and
[3:39] Speaker 2: it was fantastic. They were a bigfoot everywhere. And then
[3:43] Speaker 2: I got my hands on a thermal camera in twenty ten,
[3:47] Speaker 2: and we'd go on these same night walks and my
[3:50] Speaker 2: friends would be seeing bigfoots everywhere, and I'd look with
[3:52] Speaker 2: the thermal camera and I'd say, Nope, nothing there, Oh,
[3:56] Speaker 2: there's a bigfoot over there, I'd look and Nope, nothing there,
[4:01] Speaker 2: and I had an epiphany. I realized that people were
[4:08] Speaker 2: people were operating on hope and hype and letting their
[4:12] Speaker 2: imaginations run undisciplined, and I didn't want to be part
[4:17] Speaker 2: of that. I wanted reality, I wanted science, I wanted data.
[4:22] Speaker 2: I wanted something that was real. And my friends were
[4:27] Speaker 2: imagining these things running all over and the thermal camera
[4:31] Speaker 2: was showing that what they thought was there wasn't there.
[4:35] Speaker 2: And so I really got into thermal and in the
[4:39] Speaker 2: early days after twenty ten, I kind of became the
[4:43] Speaker 2: thermal guy in sasquatch research up here in Washington, and
[4:50] Speaker 2: I would always run my thermal camera during camping to
[4:55] Speaker 2: research trips, and run it overnight to to observe the
[5:01] Speaker 2: perimeter of the camps. And that's how I got my
[5:04] Speaker 2: first thermal video of what I believe is a sasquatch
[5:10] Speaker 2: in twenty eleven at a New Mexico BFRORO expedition. And
[5:17] Speaker 2: it's not the greatest. It does show a classic sasquatch
[5:21] Speaker 2: shape when zoomed in, but it's a long distance. It's
[5:25] Speaker 2: like one hundred and fifty yards away or more. And
[5:31] Speaker 2: it happened when it was really cold during a BFRORO
[5:36] Speaker 2: expedition and we had a big bonfire going in the
[5:39] Speaker 2: camp in the base camp, and I figured that I
[5:45] Speaker 2: would aim at toward what I thought would be the
[5:47] Speaker 2: point of approach where sasquatch would feel most comfortable up
[5:51] Speaker 2: on a ridge, and I set my thermal camera up
[5:55] Speaker 2: to record in that direction overnight. But just before before
[6:00] Speaker 2: I went to my tent to go to sleep, I
[6:03] Speaker 2: decided i'd scan one last time the perimeter with the
[6:07] Speaker 2: thermal camera and I saw this heat signature. Now, the
[6:15] Speaker 2: heat signature stood out from the surrounding trees, but there
[6:20] Speaker 2: are some other trees that were glowing as well. When
[6:24] Speaker 2: wind causes friction or their sap flowing or different conditions,
[6:29] Speaker 2: tree trunks can glow. And I was kept looking at
[6:32] Speaker 2: this trying to determine is that a biological heat signature
[6:36] Speaker 2: or as in an animal or a tree that's simply glowing.
[6:42] Speaker 2: And eventually I thought, I can't tell that must be
[6:46] Speaker 2: a tree, So I stopped, stopped looking with my handheld
[6:50] Speaker 2: and I did not pursue it. I didn't walk toward it,
[6:54] Speaker 2: and I always regret that I should have walked out
[6:56] Speaker 2: to that thing, but I got recorded anyway quartered overnight,
[7:00] Speaker 2: and the next day a participant said something was moving
[7:04] Speaker 2: around to the south of camp exactly where I had
[7:07] Speaker 2: my thermal pointing. But I didn't get anything more recorded
[7:11] Speaker 2: overnight other than what I had recorded when I was
[7:14] Speaker 2: holding the thermal in my hand looking through it, and
[7:19] Speaker 2: it became known as the New Mexico Thermal Bigfoot video
[7:24] Speaker 2: and Finding Bigfoot. The TV show eventually went on to
[7:29] Speaker 2: use it in their New Mexico episode. So that was
[7:32] Speaker 2: my fifteen minutes of fame being involved in that TV show.
[7:37] Speaker 2: It was fun meeting the gang, the cast members. So
[7:42] Speaker 2: that was my first thermal experience, and I believe I
[7:46] Speaker 2: had another one later in the Blue Mountains of southeast Washington.
[7:52] Speaker 2: I again set the thermal camera up to monitor where
[7:57] Speaker 2: there was a game trail, and I thought, sasquatch, I
[8:00] Speaker 2: come in on that game trail and observe our camp
[8:02] Speaker 2: at night, and there's a log laying across the trail,
[8:07] Speaker 2: and then right behind the log, as observing from our camp,
[8:13] Speaker 2: the ground dropped off quickly in elevation, and overnight something
[8:22] Speaker 2: around like basketball head heat signature kept peeking slowly over
[8:28] Speaker 2: the top. Of the log and then dropping quickly. It
[8:32] Speaker 2: happened about five times, and that video, along with my
[8:36] Speaker 2: new Mexico video thermal videos, are both on my YouTube channel.
[8:43] Speaker 2: Study Sasquatch and if you look at the log peaker,
[8:49] Speaker 2: he comes up slowly, drops quickly, and I've tried to
[8:54] Speaker 2: make it into a bear, but the shape of the
[8:56] Speaker 2: bear head isn't right. Not a deer. The deer and
[8:59] Speaker 2: the ear would be prominent. Same with a bear. You'd
[9:03] Speaker 2: be able to see the ears. It's too big for
[9:06] Speaker 2: a raccoon and doesn't move like a raccoon, and I've
[9:10] Speaker 2: tried to turn it into some other animal because that's
[9:17] Speaker 2: kind of my the way I roll. I always say,
[9:22] Speaker 2: find any alternative explanation first, and if you once you've
[9:27] Speaker 2: eliminated all other possible explanations, then you can consider a sasquatch.
[9:33] Speaker 2: And that's where I've come with the New Mexico video
[9:37] Speaker 2: and with the log picker video from the Blue Mountains.
[9:41] Speaker 2: I've not been able to come up with what else
[9:44] Speaker 2: it could be. So those are my two video thermal
[9:51] Speaker 2: videos that I think are sasquatches. But then the most
[9:56] Speaker 2: interesting encounter I had was a daylight siding of a
[10:01] Speaker 2: sasquatch in the North Cascades National Park of Washington. What
[10:07] Speaker 2: happened was my friend Doug and I would go to
[10:14] Speaker 2: the North Cascades National Park. And to get there you
[10:19] Speaker 2: drive into Canada. You drive to Hope, British Columbia, and
[10:25] Speaker 2: then south from there into the North Cascades National Park.
[10:32] Speaker 2: I like to joke that it's the only national park
[10:35] Speaker 2: in America used by mostly Canadians because you drive in
[10:40] Speaker 2: there and all the cars of Canadian plates and in
[10:44] Speaker 2: the parking lot, it's kind of funny. Anyway, we got there.
[10:48] Speaker 2: We hike in. It's a six mile hike from the
[10:51] Speaker 2: Ranger Station parking area. And what's unique about this location
[10:57] Speaker 2: is that it's an alpine lake that has a marsh
[11:03] Speaker 2: on the west end, and in the spring, the snow
[11:08] Speaker 2: melts floods the lake and the silt drops down and
[11:12] Speaker 2: creates a perfect substrate for leaving tracks. And the best
[11:17] Speaker 2: times are July and August and September to go there,
[11:22] Speaker 2: And the location is covered with mosquitoes, and so most
[11:29] Speaker 2: campers don't like to go there because of that reason.
[11:34] Speaker 2: In fact, it's so unpopular that when you try to
[11:37] Speaker 2: reserve the campsite even the rangers have never heard of it.
[11:42] Speaker 2: And so the mosquitoes feed the frogs, and there are
[11:47] Speaker 2: several frogs bouncing around in the marsh, and we think
[11:51] Speaker 2: that the sasquatches like to feed on the frogs, and
[11:55] Speaker 2: that's why they leave the tracks in the marshy meadow.
[12:00] Speaker 2: I first found this location thanks to a fellow named
[12:02] Speaker 2: John Andrews, who's famous for recording the vocalizations from Stevens Pass, Washington.
[12:09] Speaker 2: John would go up there and have incredible experiences. He
[12:13] Speaker 2: told my friend Doug about it, and then Doug took
[12:16] Speaker 2: me there and we had incredible experiences. Well, one year,
[12:20] Speaker 2: Doug and I went in August and we got there
[12:24] Speaker 2: and there were no tracks in the marsh anywhere. And
[12:28] Speaker 2: then that night it rained hard, thunderstorms, high winds, and
[12:36] Speaker 2: then eventually it passed, and early in the morning I
[12:39] Speaker 2: got up and went out to check for tracks, not
[12:42] Speaker 2: expecting any dude to the conditions all night, and sure
[12:45] Speaker 2: enough there were two trackways walking through the marsh. One
[12:49] Speaker 2: was six and a half inches long each footprint, and
[12:53] Speaker 2: the other one was seven and three quarters inches long.
[12:56] Speaker 2: And that's what John Andrews and even the rangers have
[13:00] Speaker 2: found about this location. Over the years, the rangers go
[13:04] Speaker 2: in in the spring and they find barefoot tracks in
[13:08] Speaker 2: the snow when they know nobody's been back there, and
[13:11] Speaker 2: they're never longer than eight inches long. And Doug has
[13:17] Speaker 2: found tracks up there. And now on this trip, Doug
[13:19] Speaker 2: and I found these tracks. And here we are after
[13:24] Speaker 2: the thunderstorm all night and I found these two trackways
[13:28] Speaker 2: and they were just remarkable, and I documented them with
[13:32] Speaker 2: photographs and videos. And the substrate was so perfect that
[13:39] Speaker 2: the tracks on the bottom of the feet they left
[13:43] Speaker 2: dermal ridges. You could see it clearly. And we did
[13:49] Speaker 2: not take any casting material on that trip, and we
[13:54] Speaker 2: determined that we would come back as soon as we could,
[13:58] Speaker 2: and we came back in October, two months later, and
[14:03] Speaker 2: we hauled casting material. It's never fun to add weight
[14:08] Speaker 2: to your back on a backpacking trip, but we had
[14:11] Speaker 2: to get this casting material up there. So we got
[14:15] Speaker 2: there in October. And it was funny, if you remember,
[14:20] Speaker 2: back in the days, there was a time when there
[14:23] Speaker 2: was a government shut down and all the national parks closed,
[14:26] Speaker 2: and this was during that time, and we just walked
[14:29] Speaker 2: past the sign and said, well, we're going in anyway.
[14:32] Speaker 2: So we went in and we got to the camp
[14:36] Speaker 2: and sure enough we found two trackways when we arrived
[14:41] Speaker 2: fresh that had just been laid down, but the vegetation
[14:44] Speaker 2: in the marsh had grown over the last two months,
[14:47] Speaker 2: and so the substrate wasn't as perfect. But we took photographs, videos,
[14:52] Speaker 2: and this time we got casts. We carried enough material
[14:57] Speaker 2: to make two casts and they turned out pretty well.
[15:04] Speaker 2: So later on I was involved in a project with
[15:07] Speaker 2: the Olympic Project and I showed all of these photographs
[15:11] Speaker 2: and the casts to doctor Jeff Meldrum and he looked
[15:15] Speaker 2: at him and ponder thought, and then he turned to
[15:20] Speaker 2: me and said, well, yeah, pointing at the pictures and
[15:23] Speaker 2: the casts, you can see here from this tendon and
[15:27] Speaker 2: this area over here, and that, you know, pretty much
[15:30] Speaker 2: all went over my head. I'm not a physical anthropologist
[15:34] Speaker 2: like he is. Anyway, the bottom line was, he said,
[15:37] Speaker 2: these are not human footprints. And he said, let me
[15:42] Speaker 2: know if he get any more data from that location,
[15:45] Speaker 2: and so I assured him I would. Unfortunately, we have
[15:48] Speaker 2: not we found any more tracks from that location, but
[15:52] Speaker 2: I did have a sighting close by, and I'll explain
[15:56] Speaker 2: that in a moment. So, based on the track finds
[16:01] Speaker 2: from John Andrews, Doug Howe, my friend, and myself. Through
[16:06] Speaker 2: the years, we continued to visit the site, and one year, myself,
[16:13] Speaker 2: Doug Howe, Kurt Hipke, and John Bronson all hiked into
[16:19] Speaker 2: the location here in the North Cascades National Park where
[16:24] Speaker 2: I'd found the tracks in Castidam. We were camped at
[16:28] Speaker 2: the lake site and everything was quiet, nothing was happening.
[16:34] Speaker 2: So what we decided to do was hike a couple
[16:37] Speaker 2: more miles to another camp that was further into the wilderness.
[16:44] Speaker 2: And so we packed up and hiked down to that camp,
[16:49] Speaker 2: and it was just after sunset when we arrived, and
[16:54] Speaker 2: we found that it was occupied. Normally the camp is
[16:58] Speaker 2: empty when we're up in the area and we're exploring,
[17:02] Speaker 2: and it was occupied by twelve high school girls and
[17:07] Speaker 2: two older female guides. So fourteen ladies in total were
[17:13] Speaker 2: in the camp. And we sat out on the main trail,
[17:18] Speaker 2: or stood out on the main trail for a while
[17:20] Speaker 2: pondering like, okay, well, where are we going to camp now?
[17:24] Speaker 2: It's almost dark. We got to find a spot to
[17:27] Speaker 2: set up, and we don't want to camp in there
[17:30] Speaker 2: and make these ladies uncomfortable. We're eight miles into the
[17:34] Speaker 2: wilderness from the nearest Ranger Station parking lot and four
[17:40] Speaker 2: guys come into their camp. They're not going to be happy.
[17:43] Speaker 2: We didn't want to make them uncomfortable. So we were
[17:46] Speaker 2: contemplating what we would do, and Doug and Kurt said, well,
[17:53] Speaker 2: let's go in and talk to the gals anyway, and
[17:56] Speaker 2: Johnny and I said, no, we're just going to stay
[17:59] Speaker 2: out here. Don't want to freak him out. So Johnny
[18:02] Speaker 2: and I stayed down on the main trail. Doug and
[18:06] Speaker 2: Kurt walked in the trail, which is about twenty yards
[18:11] Speaker 2: off the main trail, into the camp and they were
[18:15] Speaker 2: going to go talk to the ladies see if they'd
[18:18] Speaker 2: had any sasquatch or weird activity going on regarding possible
[18:23] Speaker 2: sasquatch encounter. And so as Doug and Kirch are walking
[18:30] Speaker 2: into the ladies camp, all fourteen of the ladies are
[18:35] Speaker 2: sitting around the fire pit and a picnic table that
[18:39] Speaker 2: was there made out of logs, and they were all
[18:42] Speaker 2: looking at Doug and Kurt. Doug and Kurt, We're both
[18:47] Speaker 2: looking at them, trying to be friendly, and Johnny and
[18:53] Speaker 2: I are on the main trail and I'm watching the
[18:56] Speaker 2: whole scene unfold, and where we're standing on the main
[18:59] Speaker 2: trail is higher in elevation. As you go into the
[19:02] Speaker 2: camp it drops a little bit. So I'm looking over
[19:05] Speaker 2: the top of Dug and Kurt's head, and I'm looking
[19:08] Speaker 2: over the top of all the ladies in the camp.
[19:12] Speaker 2: And as Dug and Kurt are within maybe ten yards
[19:16] Speaker 2: of the ladies, I noticed behind the ladies movement and
[19:26] Speaker 2: what's back there is a very large tree that had
[19:31] Speaker 2: broken off about seven feet high. And this tree, probably
[19:38] Speaker 2: from the wind, broke off about seven feet from the
[19:41] Speaker 2: ground and then fell over and broke into more segments
[19:48] Speaker 2: big chunks of log. And one of the chunks of
[19:52] Speaker 2: log was leaning against the seven foot stump at a
[19:57] Speaker 2: forty five degree angle. What I saw was a bipedal
[20:08] Speaker 2: dark figure running from the stump down the forty five
[20:15] Speaker 2: degree angle log leaning against it to the ground, and
[20:20] Speaker 2: then it turned and ran into the woods behind the ladies.
[20:27] Speaker 2: And as it ran, it was jumping back and forth
[20:31] Speaker 2: left and right, left and right, kind of like if
[20:34] Speaker 2: you've ever seen that Ninja Warrior athletic competition TV show
[20:41] Speaker 2: where the participants jumped from slanted platform to slanted platform
[20:47] Speaker 2: left to right, left, to right. That's what it looked
[20:50] Speaker 2: like it was doing. And then it disappeared into the woods.
[20:56] Speaker 2: None of the ladies noticed it. I asked later, Dug Kurt.
[21:00] Speaker 2: They didn't notice it because they were all focused on
[21:03] Speaker 2: each other. I was looking over the whole scene and
[21:06] Speaker 2: I could see it behind the ladies, But at the time,
[21:14] Speaker 2: my mind told me that it was a child. I thought, oh, wow,
[21:19] Speaker 2: that kids having a ball running around out here in
[21:22] Speaker 2: the woods, and he's really athletic and having a good time.
[21:27] Speaker 2: And I didn't think much more of it other than
[21:32] Speaker 2: that kids having a great time. Doug and Kurt came
[21:37] Speaker 2: back after talking to the ladies and we decided to
[21:41] Speaker 2: go back up trail and camp in a different location.
[21:47] Speaker 2: And I asked Doug and Kurt, well, okay, what's the
[21:51] Speaker 2: story from the camp and they said, oh, it's just
[21:54] Speaker 2: twelve high school girls and they're two adult guides. They're
[22:00] Speaker 2: on a trip for graduating from high school. And I said, oh,
[22:09] Speaker 2: what about the children in camp and Doug said, no,
[22:13] Speaker 2: there are no children in camp. And I said, yes,
[22:19] Speaker 2: there are children in camp. I saw one, and Doug says, no,
[22:23] Speaker 2: it's just the twelve I school girls and they're two guides.
[22:26] Speaker 2: Nobody else is in camp, and I said, Doug, there's
[22:31] Speaker 2: a child in that camp and he said, no, Kirk,
[22:34] Speaker 2: there isn't. I said, all right, something's going on, and
[22:39] Speaker 2: I obviously started putting the puzzle pieces together. And based
[22:45] Speaker 2: on the tracks that we had found through the years
[22:48] Speaker 2: and the casts and the photographs and doctor Meldrum's conclusion,
[22:54] Speaker 2: we had determined that based on the size of the
[22:57] Speaker 2: tracks and the depth of their sinking into the substrate,
[23:03] Speaker 2: that we were looking at creatures that were about four
[23:07] Speaker 2: feet tall and muscular, either fat or muscular, but living
[23:13] Speaker 2: out in the woods, we'd have to go with muscular.
[23:16] Speaker 2: And so I got to think, in wo wow, the
[23:21] Speaker 2: thing I saw, what I thought was a human child,
[23:25] Speaker 2: would fit the size of what we're looking for. That's
[23:28] Speaker 2: leaving these tracks about four feet tall. So the next
[23:32] Speaker 2: morning we got up and the ladies we heard them
[23:36] Speaker 2: leave at sunrise, and so they were out of there,
[23:39] Speaker 2: and we packed up camp, went back down to the
[23:43] Speaker 2: camp that the ladies had now abandoned, and we did
[23:47] Speaker 2: a recreation, and sure enough, the object of the subject
[23:53] Speaker 2: that I saw was four feet tall, and my recollection
[23:59] Speaker 2: is that it was all dark in color, uniform color,
[24:03] Speaker 2: but I chalked it up at the time that due
[24:06] Speaker 2: to the distance that I didn't see the differentiation of
[24:10] Speaker 2: colors and the clothing when I thought it was a child.
[24:13] Speaker 2: But then once I realized it wasn't a child, it
[24:16] Speaker 2: was the subjects that were leaving the tracks at the
[24:20] Speaker 2: marsh in the lake, I realized that it was most
[24:25] Speaker 2: likely all one uniform color, the long hair covering its body.
[24:30] Speaker 2: And Doug got up onto the stump to try to
[24:40] Speaker 2: figure out why it had jumped down from there, and
[24:45] Speaker 2: what he realized was that when the tree broke off,
[24:49] Speaker 2: creating the stump, it left the outer cambium layer and
[24:54] Speaker 2: bark for about four feet and as you stood the
[25:00] Speaker 2: top of the stump, you could be concealed by this
[25:06] Speaker 2: ue shaped horseshoe shaped layer of bark and cambium layer
[25:12] Speaker 2: that had remained on the top of the stump when
[25:15] Speaker 2: the tree broke off. And then there's this slit in
[25:19] Speaker 2: the middle of this well you could call a shield
[25:23] Speaker 2: that only enables you to see directly into the camp
[25:27] Speaker 2: where the ladies were. And we speculated that this creature
[25:33] Speaker 2: was on top of that stump, behind that shield of
[25:37] Speaker 2: bark and cambium layer and observing the ladies in camp
[25:43] Speaker 2: when we arrived. The time is a little bit unusual though,
[25:47] Speaker 2: because it wasn't dark. The sun had set, but there
[25:50] Speaker 2: was still plenty of light and somehow it had gotten
[25:54] Speaker 2: onto that stump without them noticing it although it wasn't
[25:58] Speaker 2: dark yet. That's something I've never been able to fully understand.
[26:02] Speaker 2: But humans are notorious for not paying attention to what's
[26:08] Speaker 2: going on around them, so I can definitely see thanks
[26:12] Speaker 2: to some vegetation that would obscure the sitelines and paying
[26:16] Speaker 2: attention to the fire pit. And I think they were
[26:19] Speaker 2: also eating that the ladies wouldn't notice, and that the
[26:23] Speaker 2: subject would have been able to sneak into the position
[26:26] Speaker 2: to take that observation post on top of the stump.
[26:31] Speaker 2: And I have revisited this location and back in September
[26:39] Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and made a complete video showing everything,
[26:45] Speaker 2: describing everything, and people who are interested in my encounter
[26:51] Speaker 2: what I saw can look at that video on my
[26:54] Speaker 2: study Sasquatch YouTube channel to get a better understanding of
[26:58] Speaker 2: the whole layout. But so it was interesting because we
[27:05] Speaker 2: found the tracks and then finally saw what is probably
[27:10] Speaker 2: leaving the tracks and a lot of people wonder why
[27:14] Speaker 2: is it so small, why is it only four feet tall? Well,
[27:18] Speaker 2: some people speculate that it's a valley where the sasquatches
[27:25] Speaker 2: park their children for the summer, kind of like sending
[27:28] Speaker 2: them to summer camp rookery, if you will, and the
[27:35] Speaker 2: kids are left there to take care of themselves, so
[27:40] Speaker 2: to speak, and monitor humans and learn about them by
[27:44] Speaker 2: watching them. Another theory is that it's a different species.
[27:50] Speaker 2: It's a small stature species that's different than the common
[27:55] Speaker 2: sasquatch that's seen more often that's a larger size. One
[28:01] Speaker 2: thing that's interesting is that the Native American traditions in
[28:06] Speaker 2: north central Washington south central British Columbia have a oral
[28:13] Speaker 2: tradition of a small of stature wild man of the
[28:18] Speaker 2: woods that is about four feet tall, not large like
[28:23] Speaker 2: the standard sasquatch the most people think of. There are
[28:29] Speaker 2: other pockets, like there's an area on the border between
[28:34] Speaker 2: Idaho and Montana in central Idaho where it borders Montana
[28:42] Speaker 2: south west Montana where similar situation is set up a
[28:49] Speaker 2: lake with a marsh and tracks have been found that
[28:55] Speaker 2: are less than eight inches and local lore says there
[29:00] Speaker 2: is a wild man of the woods there as well.
[29:02] Speaker 2: That's small of stature, around four feet tall, and so
[29:07] Speaker 2: it's possible that there is another species out there, and
[29:11] Speaker 2: that's what I lean toward. I don't think it's a rookery.
[29:14] Speaker 2: I don't think it's young being parked there from the
[29:17] Speaker 2: larger sasquatches, because we've never found any tracks longer than
[29:24] Speaker 2: eight inches, and they don't they act like curious teenagers,
[29:33] Speaker 2: which is what I think is often accountable for encounters
[29:39] Speaker 2: and activity in camps when you're dealing with the large sasquatches.
[29:43] Speaker 2: But these guys are often interactive. When we camp at
[29:49] Speaker 2: the mosquito ridden Lake, they do all kinds of wood
[29:55] Speaker 2: knocks and scamper through and around our camp. One thing
[30:01] Speaker 2: that's really unique at this mosquito ridden lake is that
[30:08] Speaker 2: there's a large rock in the west end of the marsh,
[30:13] Speaker 2: and the marsh is surrounded by willow trees. And we
[30:17] Speaker 2: will go out there and take a stick, sturdy stick,
[30:24] Speaker 2: and we'll whack on the rock a sequence of numbers,
[30:30] Speaker 2: like we'll hit it three times, and we'll hit it
[30:32] Speaker 2: five times, and we'll hit it seven times, whatever the
[30:35] Speaker 2: sequence is, and then we'll leave an audio recorder running,
[30:39] Speaker 2: and we'll walk back to our camp about two hundred
[30:41] Speaker 2: and fifty yards away, and the audio recorder has picked up,
[30:48] Speaker 2: coming from the south up the slope of the nearby mountain,
[30:54] Speaker 2: a matching sequence of wood knocks. If we did it
[30:58] Speaker 2: three five and seven times on the rock we walk away. Later,
[31:03] Speaker 2: within ten minutes from the woods will come three five
[31:06] Speaker 2: and seven knocks. So we think it's these shorter, these
[31:12] Speaker 2: four foot tall creatures who live up there who are
[31:16] Speaker 2: interacting with us. It's fascinating location, fascinating experiences, and I
[31:22] Speaker 2: was finally able to see one. We think that the
[31:25] Speaker 2: guy I saw was observing the ladies. It's possible that
[31:29] Speaker 2: he was just curious because there were humans out there.
[31:32] Speaker 2: It's also curious that there was a gender influence, that
[31:36] Speaker 2: it was a young male observing the human females and
[31:40] Speaker 2: that that was the object of his curiosity. But regardless,
[31:45] Speaker 2: I saw it and it matched the description of what
[31:49] Speaker 2: we were expecting from the footprints we've been finding. And
[31:53] Speaker 2: it's just a fascinating area to go up there, and
[31:58] Speaker 2: I'll be trying to return as often as I can.
[32:01] Speaker 2: It was difficult during COVID because you couldn't travel freely
[32:06] Speaker 2: across the border, but once all those restrictions lifted last year,
[32:09] Speaker 2: we were back up there. I'll probably be going again
[32:13] Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. So those were my sightings, the
[32:18] Speaker 2: two thermal video recordings I got, and then the daylight
[32:22] Speaker 2: siding in the North Cascades National Park, and that all
[32:26] Speaker 2: leads back to my getting involved in the subject through
[32:31] Speaker 2: thermal imaging, using thermal cameras, trying to get real video
[32:37] Speaker 2: evidence of these creatures and not letting my imagination run
[32:40] Speaker 2: wild and think that something's out there that really isn't.
[32:45] Speaker 2: And so the thermal aspect is what I have continued
[32:49] Speaker 2: to pursue. I would use the video outworks on my
[32:56] Speaker 2: handheld thermal camera I Fleer HS three twenty four, because
[33:01] Speaker 2: if you recorded onboard with the unit, it would record
[33:05] Speaker 2: in a lower resolution, but if you use the video outport,
[33:09] Speaker 2: I would get a higher resolution image in my videos.
[33:13] Speaker 2: And so I found a DVR with motion detection and
[33:18] Speaker 2: would record to that using the thermal cameras video outport.
[33:22] Speaker 2: And then my friend Nathan was at the same time,
[33:27] Speaker 2: unbeknownst to me, developing thermal camera systems and developing systems
[33:34] Speaker 2: that would run for long term, and we got to
[33:38] Speaker 2: know each other and came to a meeting of the
[33:41] Speaker 2: minds and developed some interesting thermal technology that nobody else
[33:47] Speaker 2: is using today. We have thermal recording units we call
[33:51] Speaker 2: them tru Truths that can operate for up to three
[33:56] Speaker 2: weeks in the wild in the remote location and record
[34:02] Speaker 2: thermal video twenty four hours a day three weeks and
[34:07] Speaker 2: it's all the videos are triggered by motion detection motion activation.
[34:13] Speaker 2: And we have formed a project called the Sasquatch Surveillance
[34:19] Speaker 2: Project and we have members of Nathan Bronis, Bart Catino,
[34:26] Speaker 2: boyd Omer, Chris Spencer, Rebecca Slick Spencer, and myself. We
[34:34] Speaker 2: are currently running six of these units and servicing the
[34:41] Speaker 2: equipment every two to three weeks and reviewing the video.
[34:45] Speaker 2: And we have not yet gotten a sasquatch on thermal
[34:49] Speaker 2: video in the approximate a little over a year that
[34:53] Speaker 2: we've been running them, but we remain enthused to to
[35:00] Speaker 2: the project and determine that eventually it will happen. We
[35:06] Speaker 2: have some active locations where we get a lot of
[35:10] Speaker 2: activity in terms of wood knocks and vocalizations, but as
[35:16] Speaker 2: many people know who have been in the subject for
[35:18] Speaker 2: very long, they know that These sasquatches are not stupid.
[35:23] Speaker 2: They're very aware, very knowledgeable, very very keen on knowing
[35:29] Speaker 2: what's going on around them. And trailcams don't work very
[35:35] Speaker 2: well because they can see them, hear them, smell them.
[35:39] Speaker 2: But our thermal cameras are inserted into metal AMMO cans
[35:46] Speaker 2: and so there is no light emitted, there's very very
[35:51] Speaker 2: little electronic sound emitted, and it blocks the EMF because
[35:59] Speaker 2: the metal cans are essentially a Faraday cage and so
[36:04] Speaker 2: there's no MF able to be de detected, and it
[36:09] Speaker 2: also subdues any odors. So what we do is we
[36:14] Speaker 2: bury these AMMO cans containing the battery and the thermal
[36:19] Speaker 2: equipment into hillsides, into stumps, into logs, and then bury
[36:25] Speaker 2: them in moss. It's quite convenient here in western Washington
[36:29] Speaker 2: that there's a lot of moss and it's a great
[36:35] Speaker 2: material to work with to conceal and camouflage our equipment.
[36:40] Speaker 2: We've tried to set up our equipment in eastern Washington
[36:43] Speaker 2: where there's no moss, and it's a lot harder. You
[36:47] Speaker 2: have to use sticks and chunks of bark, et cetera.
[36:52] Speaker 2: And the concealing isn't as effective, as in western Washington
[36:56] Speaker 2: with the moss. So we've had hunters that we've recorded
[37:00] Speaker 2: standing right in front of our thermal cameras looking at
[37:04] Speaker 2: the thermal cameras and they don't even see them because
[37:09] Speaker 2: all that is sticking out all The only thing that's
[37:11] Speaker 2: possibly visible is the round lens, and even that we
[37:16] Speaker 2: use a five micron thick layer of plastic over the
[37:21] Speaker 2: lens which thermal can see through, but it takes off
[37:25] Speaker 2: the reflection the sheen that the lens could possibly throw off,
[37:31] Speaker 2: reflection of the light from the sun that somebody could
[37:35] Speaker 2: possibly see it, including a sasquatch. So we were doing
[37:39] Speaker 2: everything in terms of concealing and reducing possible detection by
[37:45] Speaker 2: both humans and sasquatch. Protecting against humans so there's no
[37:50] Speaker 2: damage or theft, protecting against sasquatches so that they want
[37:53] Speaker 2: to know what's there and they'll walk in front of it.
[37:56] Speaker 2: So far that hasn't happened, but we remain determined and
[37:58] Speaker 2: believe that it will happen. I am one hundred percent
[38:03] Speaker 2: convinced that these are physical beings. They eat, poop, breed, sleep,
[38:11] Speaker 2: and they leave behind trace, and that they are not
[38:17] Speaker 2: interdimensional or spiritual I simply follow the evidence. I know
[38:23] Speaker 2: there are a lot of people that think otherwise, but
[38:25] Speaker 2: the evidence that we've encountered, that we've seen and experienced
[38:32] Speaker 2: indicate that they're just a very knowledgeable, smart, intelligent, physically
[38:39] Speaker 2: capable and the command their surroundings, and that's how they're
[38:47] Speaker 2: able to avoid our technology. But eventually they have to
[38:52] Speaker 2: make a mistake or eventually we have to get better
[38:55] Speaker 2: at concealing them, and it will happen.
[38:59] Speaker 1: When it comes to your and what they are, Kirk,
[39:01] Speaker 1: it's obvious that you're an aghpor, but are you open
[39:04] Speaker 1: to the possibility that they just might have abilities that
[39:08] Speaker 1: go above and beyond that.
[39:12] Speaker 2: Yes, I definitely think that they are simply used to
[39:19] Speaker 2: being in the woods and using their senses. Human beings
[39:26] Speaker 2: are bombarded daily with radio signals, Wi Fi frequencies, all
[39:33] Speaker 2: kinds of things bombarding our senses, and just living in
[39:39] Speaker 2: cities and the television, the radio, and the traffic, all
[39:44] Speaker 2: the noise from communities, we become desensitized. Where if you
[39:51] Speaker 2: go out and live in the woods like the Sasquatches
[39:54] Speaker 2: do twenty four hours a day their entire lives, your
[39:58] Speaker 2: senses are heightened, your awareness, your knowledge your understanding of
[40:02] Speaker 2: the woods is vastly superior to humans. And so I
[40:07] Speaker 2: think that's their main special ability is that this is
[40:13] Speaker 2: the way they've always lived and they know what's going
[40:16] Speaker 2: on around them. And we come out there and we
[40:18] Speaker 2: install a camera bary it, they probably were watching us.
[40:24] Speaker 2: Or also when you walk into the woods, there's a
[40:27] Speaker 2: ripple effect. The squirrels will chatter, the birds will give
[40:33] Speaker 2: off alarm calls, the ravens will give a special call
[40:38] Speaker 2: their language indicating hey, there's a human or a threat
[40:42] Speaker 2: in the woods. And then that's like a ripple that
[40:45] Speaker 2: spreads through the forest of somebody's here. The sasquatch doesn't
[40:51] Speaker 2: even have to be there watching us for the ripple
[40:54] Speaker 2: to reach them, to let them know that we're there.
[40:58] Speaker 2: And I think that's what happens, that they know that
[41:02] Speaker 2: think that we're installing equipment or leaving equipment behind, that
[41:06] Speaker 2: they're ware of that. They're smart enough to know that
[41:11] Speaker 2: they should avoid, especially if you're in an area where
[41:15] Speaker 2: we've been trying to do most of our work, where
[41:18] Speaker 2: we've been interacting with these sasquatches for a long time.
[41:21] Speaker 2: They learn, they get smart, They figure out what your
[41:25] Speaker 2: intent is, what you're trying to accomplish, and they can
[41:30] Speaker 2: read body language. I think they're experts at reading body language.
[41:34] Speaker 2: They can just see how a human is moving and
[41:37] Speaker 2: determine what their intent is because if you're moving a
[41:41] Speaker 2: certain way, like you're trying to hunt, they can see
[41:45] Speaker 2: that and they go, Okay, that guy's hunting. If you're
[41:47] Speaker 2: out there looking for mushrooms, you move a different way
[41:51] Speaker 2: and they say, oh, that guy's looking for mushrooms, etc.
[41:54] Speaker 2: And so they can figure this stuff out. And so
[41:58] Speaker 2: we're currently looking for new areas where we want to
[42:03] Speaker 2: go where sasquatches who live in different areas have been
[42:07] Speaker 2: less less interfered with or have had less interaction with humans,
[42:15] Speaker 2: and the hopes that possibly we can find sasquatches who
[42:20] Speaker 2: are less onto us. They haven't figured out what we're
[42:24] Speaker 2: trying to do quite as well yet, and so hopefully
[42:29] Speaker 2: then we could maybe go in install cameras and the
[42:34] Speaker 2: sasquatches would be more cooperative in terms of walking walking
[42:38] Speaker 2: in front of them.
[42:39] Speaker 1: I used to be convinced, without a doubt that these
[42:43] Speaker 1: guys were just flesh and blood creatures that didn't have
[42:45] Speaker 1: any special abilities. But I've got to tell you Kirk,
[42:49] Speaker 1: because time has gone by and I've spoken with so
[42:51] Speaker 1: many very credible eyewitnesses who reported seeing them do things
[42:55] Speaker 1: that could only be explained away by them having special abilities,
[43:00] Speaker 1: just don't know anymore. I mean, there have been so
[43:02] Speaker 1: many people who when I got into this about twenty
[43:05] Speaker 1: years ago, and I'm not a researcher, but nonetheless, when
[43:08] Speaker 1: I got into this about twenty years ago, these were
[43:11] Speaker 1: people who, I mean, they presented it as they would
[43:15] Speaker 1: never buy into the possibility that these guys had any
[43:19] Speaker 1: special abilities. But now present day, those same people they
[43:23] Speaker 1: swear up and down they've experienced them do things that
[43:26] Speaker 1: could only be explained away by them being able to
[43:29] Speaker 1: do things that are well above and beyond what a
[43:31] Speaker 1: flesh and blood creature could do. So I'm not really
[43:34] Speaker 1: sure what to think about that.
[43:38] Speaker 2: Granted, if I had experienced some phenomenon that friends have
[43:45] Speaker 2: reported or other researchers have reported, such as mind speak
[43:50] Speaker 2: or being frozen, were put to sleep, or or things
[43:58] Speaker 2: like that, I would follow the evidence. But myself and
[44:03] Speaker 2: my colleagues have not experienced that. Why, I don't know.
[44:08] Speaker 2: I don't have an explanation. I don't know if the
[44:10] Speaker 2: people who do experience. It are experiencing some type of
[44:15] Speaker 2: spiritual phenomenon or some type of physical phenomenon that is
[44:21] Speaker 2: a result of their brains, their electronic circuitry, if you will,
[44:28] Speaker 2: being wired differently than mine. I don't know, but all
[44:33] Speaker 2: I can do is put myself out there to get
[44:37] Speaker 2: my own experiences, to reach my own conclusions, and follow
[44:42] Speaker 2: the evidence that I encounter, and that's what I'm doing.
[44:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that's all you can do, and you
[44:51] Speaker 1: can only work with the experiences that you have with
[44:55] Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, you might have some people who
[44:57] Speaker 1: are around them all the time for years and they
[45:01] Speaker 1: never experienced anything that you would even think would be
[45:04] Speaker 1: something to do with supernatural abilities or spiritual ones. So yeah,
[45:09] Speaker 1: you'll have that. I mean, all you can do is
[45:11] Speaker 1: just deal with what you've experienced, and that's it. What
[45:15] Speaker 1: would you say has been the most profound thing you've
[45:17] Speaker 1: learned about them in all the years you've been doing
[45:19] Speaker 1: this well?
[45:22] Speaker 2: With our current project, we've been running it for over
[45:24] Speaker 2: a year and we have not yet gotten a sasquatch
[45:27] Speaker 2: on our thermal cameras, but other people at other times
[45:30] Speaker 2: have gotten them on thermal video, so I know it
[45:35] Speaker 2: can happen. Barcentino has a famous thermal video from the Sierras.
[45:43] Speaker 2: It was a early version of the thermal cameras with
[45:48] Speaker 2: low resolution, and it was having a flaw in the
[45:53] Speaker 2: image quality at the time that made the image quite unimpressive.
[46:00] Speaker 2: But if you review his recreation, the in depth recreation
[46:07] Speaker 2: that they went through, that there's no doubt that those
[46:10] Speaker 2: had to be sasquatches. My two experiences from New Mexico
[46:14] Speaker 2: and the Blue Mountains, I believe those are sasquatches. Other
[46:17] Speaker 2: people Barcatino again before his thermal camera could record. He
[46:23] Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven watched his sasquatch for over
[46:27] Speaker 2: five minutes. I think that was about how long he
[46:32] Speaker 2: watched it at an area called Bumping Lake in Washington.
[46:37] Speaker 2: There are many people who are seeing these creatures with
[46:40] Speaker 2: thermal cameras, so it can happen, and that is the
[46:47] Speaker 2: main thing I've learned through these years is that it's
[46:50] Speaker 2: happened before, it can happen again, and I think just
[46:53] Speaker 2: determination and persistence will help the thermals eventually record the subjects.
[47:00] Speaker 2: What's unique about the thermal is that you can't hide
[47:04] Speaker 2: from it if you're using night vision camouflage still is effective,
[47:10] Speaker 2: but if you're using thermal, every part of a living
[47:15] Speaker 2: creature's body gives off heat and will be seen with
[47:19] Speaker 2: that thermal camera. So if it's hiding behind a bush,
[47:22] Speaker 2: you're still going to get several heat signatures through the
[47:26] Speaker 2: foliage to let you know that it's there and what
[47:29] Speaker 2: a shape is. If you look in that an image
[47:31] Speaker 2: from a trailcam, for instance, you're not going to know
[47:35] Speaker 2: the difference between a stick and a leg, and it's
[47:39] Speaker 2: oft and hard to determine or interpret what the image
[47:43] Speaker 2: is showing. But if you're looking with thermal, then it
[47:46] Speaker 2: will show you the difference between a stick, which will
[47:49] Speaker 2: be cold, and a leg, which will be hot. And
[47:52] Speaker 2: that's why our thermal cameras are currently superior, as they
[47:56] Speaker 2: can see for one thousand feet any image that any
[48:02] Speaker 2: heat signature that is moving, and the motion detection will
[48:07] Speaker 2: trigger and it'll be recorded, whereas a trailcam only sees
[48:10] Speaker 2: maybe eighty one hundred freet at the absolute most, and
[48:15] Speaker 2: then oftentimes if it's at the outer edge of that distance,
[48:18] Speaker 2: it's very difficult to determine what you're even looking at.
[48:22] Speaker 2: That's why you see a lot of these trail camera
[48:23] Speaker 2: photos that just show glowing eyes, you can't see any
[48:27] Speaker 2: of the body, but with thermal you can see everything,
[48:30] Speaker 2: and our cameras will trigger instantly as well. Trail camera,
[48:36] Speaker 2: the image comes in and the sensor has to first
[48:39] Speaker 2: detect it and then has to send a signal to
[48:41] Speaker 2: the camera to turn on and start recording because it's
[48:45] Speaker 2: based on motion first, and then record. Our systems record
[48:51] Speaker 2: the video and instead of a sensor starting the recording
[48:56] Speaker 2: the video, the change in color of the pixels in
[49:01] Speaker 2: the video image starts the recording, and so as soon
[49:05] Speaker 2: as the heat sitting insure enters the side of the
[49:08] Speaker 2: frame of the field of view, it instantly starts recording,
[49:12] Speaker 2: so you get the entire subject as it's moving through
[49:15] Speaker 2: your field of view. And we're going to eventually hope
[49:19] Speaker 2: to make these available for other people to start to
[49:22] Speaker 2: use as soon as the tariffs get worked out between
[49:26] Speaker 2: China and the United States, because we're importing the thermal
[49:30] Speaker 2: cameras from China and it's a very high quality item
[49:34] Speaker 2: with a significant image quality, and we're excited to be
[49:39] Speaker 2: able to bring those two people as soon as the
[49:41] Speaker 2: tariffs get sorted out.
[49:44] Speaker 1: Wow, that's a really impressive technology you guys created.
[49:48] Speaker 2: Hats off too, Thanks Bud. It's been a lot of
[49:52] Speaker 2: work and a lot of time communicating halfway across the
[49:59] Speaker 2: world with our Chin I need a supplier. There's a
[50:01] Speaker 2: language barrier, there's a time barrier, there's a cultural barrier.
[50:05] Speaker 2: But we worked it all out. We also had some
[50:08] Speaker 2: technological problems. We had to have them reprogram things for
[50:11] Speaker 2: us to meet our needs, and it was fascinating when
[50:15] Speaker 2: they found out what we were trying to do. Actually,
[50:18] Speaker 2: they just thought we were a customer with some industrial application.
[50:23] Speaker 2: But then when we had a zoom meeting with them
[50:26] Speaker 2: and explain to them, no, we're using these in the
[50:28] Speaker 2: woods to try to get thermal images of wildlife, including bigfoot,
[50:32] Speaker 2: they were just blown away, like, seriously, you're using our
[50:36] Speaker 2: cameras to try to find bigfoot. And they were really
[50:41] Speaker 2: into it after that, and they were fully on board
[50:44] Speaker 2: helping us get everything programmed the right way so that
[50:47] Speaker 2: their thermal cameras would meet our functional needs.
[50:52] Speaker 1: Oh I bet they were. I'm not sure if you
[50:54] Speaker 1: knew this or not, but over in China they took
[50:57] Speaker 1: the sasquatch phenomenon a lot more seriously than it's taken
[51:00] Speaker 1: over here.
[51:02] Speaker 2: Well, yes, we expected that. It's called the year in there.
[51:07] Speaker 2: But the fellows we were working with, once we started
[51:10] Speaker 2: talking explaining that we were trying to get video of Bigfoot,
[51:14] Speaker 2: they started putting the pieces together and said, oh, yeah,
[51:17] Speaker 2: we have something here similar, and then they started taking
[51:22] Speaker 2: that more seriously. The tech guys that we were working
[51:25] Speaker 2: with did not take it seriously, but then once they
[51:29] Speaker 2: were working with us, they started to get more interested
[51:32] Speaker 2: in the subject.
[51:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole Sasquatch thing is a funny way of
[51:36] Speaker 1: doing that to people. I'm not appreciated. At first, they
[51:40] Speaker 1: just brush it off, but the more they find out,
[51:43] Speaker 1: the more seriously tend to take it.
[51:46] Speaker 2: Well, well, once you've had sightings or had encounters that
[51:52] Speaker 2: included audio, And that's one of the things that I
[51:57] Speaker 2: failed to mention regarding are YouTube channel is we've had
[52:01] Speaker 2: many audio experiences where we've recorded their vocalizations, We've heard
[52:05] Speaker 2: their vocalizations and experienced them that way, and there's no
[52:09] Speaker 2: other explanation for what could be making those sounds. And
[52:12] Speaker 2: believe me, I've tried, as I said earlier, I try
[52:16] Speaker 2: to eliminate every other possibility before all even consider Sasquatch,
[52:19] Speaker 2: and all my analysis and my conclusions have shown that
[52:24] Speaker 2: the only thing that could be making these vocalizations that
[52:28] Speaker 2: we've recorded on audio, it had to be sasquatch and
[52:34] Speaker 2: I had. In twenty eleven, I recorded what's called the
[52:38] Speaker 2: triple Moan howl, and then in twenty twenty at the
[52:41] Speaker 2: same location, I recorded what's called the Ie singing vocalization,
[52:47] Speaker 2: and they're both quite phenomenal. And in addition, we have
[52:50] Speaker 2: several recordings of wood knocks, rock clocks, rocks being thrown
[52:55] Speaker 2: into camp. One video on our channels called the Bombardment
[53:00] Speaker 2: to where we came in late at night, like about
[53:04] Speaker 2: two am. We arrived at camp set up, and then
[53:07] Speaker 2: about six am some Sasquatches came through and just started
[53:11] Speaker 2: throwing all kinds of material into our camp and then
[53:15] Speaker 2: also pounding on trees' loud power knocks. And it's all recorded,
[53:23] Speaker 2: so you can have audio encounters as well and as
[53:28] Speaker 2: well as seeing them visual encounters, and both of them
[53:34] Speaker 2: are powerful. Once you've experienced, you were determined to seek
[53:39] Speaker 2: answers figure out what's going on.
[53:42] Speaker 1: At least I was, well, it's all about the answers
[53:47] Speaker 1: when it comes to sasquatch research, just the topic in general.
[53:50] Speaker 1: There are way too many questions not nearly enough answers.
[53:53] Speaker 1: So I get it, I really do. When you had
[53:57] Speaker 1: that sighting in the North Cascades, you saw the SaaS
[54:00] Speaker 1: watch over the heads of those women, you said, But
[54:02] Speaker 1: how close would you say it would have been to
[54:04] Speaker 1: them or behind them when you first saw it?
[54:08] Speaker 2: Oh? Great, good point. Yes, I would figure that the
[54:13] Speaker 2: sasquatch was about twenty five yards behind the ladies, and
[54:20] Speaker 2: plus it was behind some foliage, and so I could
[54:25] Speaker 2: see it because I was elevated, But if you were
[54:27] Speaker 2: in the camp where the ladies were, it would have
[54:31] Speaker 2: been much more difficult for them to have noticed it,
[54:34] Speaker 2: as well as Doug and Kurt. That's one of the
[54:37] Speaker 2: things that really bothered me was how come Doug and
[54:40] Speaker 2: Kurt were not able to see it as they walked
[54:43] Speaker 2: in and they were looking right in that direction. But
[54:47] Speaker 2: in my revisit to the location, I determined, or I
[54:52] Speaker 2: was able to figure out that where Doug and Kurt
[54:54] Speaker 2: were standing, there's a tree between them and where the
[54:59] Speaker 2: subject was that I I saw, and that tree, the
[55:02] Speaker 2: tree trunk was blocking their view of what I saw,
[55:08] Speaker 2: and that made me feel better, because, like, how could
[55:11] Speaker 2: I see it from where I was, but Doug and
[55:13] Speaker 2: Kurt couldn't because they both had good vision and were
[55:16] Speaker 2: very aware. But the reason they weren't able to see
[55:19] Speaker 2: it was because of that obstruction.
[55:22] Speaker 1: From the way you described them moving in to talk
[55:24] Speaker 1: with those ladies, I got the impression that they were
[55:27] Speaker 1: almost in your line of sight, right between you and
[55:29] Speaker 1: that sasquatch subject. But now it sounds like they were
[55:33] Speaker 1: off to the side a little bit. They weren't that
[55:36] Speaker 1: far off to the side, though, were they.
[55:38] Speaker 2: No, Doug and Kurt were off to the side because
[55:42] Speaker 2: they were still going in the trail to where the
[55:44] Speaker 2: ladies were, But the sasquatch was pretty much right behind
[55:47] Speaker 2: the ladies twenty to twenty five yards, and in my
[55:52] Speaker 2: line of sight, I had to look directly over the
[55:56] Speaker 2: center of the group of ladies to see the subject
[56:02] Speaker 2: run down the forty five degree angle log and then
[56:06] Speaker 2: off into the woods.
[56:08] Speaker 1: That makes sense, Okay, Yeah, I heard you see the
[56:11] Speaker 1: ed look over their heads, the women's heads to see
[56:14] Speaker 1: the sasquatch. But yeah, was mixed up on. We're Dug
[56:18] Speaker 1: and Kurt were exactly relative to that. Yes, that makes sense. Now,
[56:23] Speaker 1: you initially thought the sasquatch was a kid, You said,
[56:26] Speaker 1: did a move like a kid? Or did you only
[56:29] Speaker 1: think it was a kid due to its size?
[56:32] Speaker 2: It is due to the size, yes, and the fact
[56:35] Speaker 2: that there were a bunch of ladies in camp. It
[56:38] Speaker 2: all made sense to me that one of them had
[56:41] Speaker 2: brought their child along and the kid had come along
[56:47] Speaker 2: on the backpacking trip. But I do remember thinking, wow,
[56:51] Speaker 2: that kid is very athletic and agile as it ran
[56:58] Speaker 2: into the woods, bouncing left and right. Why it ran
[57:01] Speaker 2: that way, I'm not sure it might be a defense mechanism,
[57:04] Speaker 2: like if it was make itself more difficult to get
[57:07] Speaker 2: shot at. I have no explanation, but that's what it did.
[57:13] Speaker 2: It was bouncing back and forth left and right as
[57:16] Speaker 2: it ran into the woods away from the camp, and
[57:21] Speaker 2: all I could think of was, Wow, that kid's having
[57:23] Speaker 2: fun and very agile. I didn't know what the train
[57:31] Speaker 2: was like at that time when I saw it, I
[57:34] Speaker 2: kind of thought that it might have been crossing a creek.
[57:38] Speaker 2: And when you run across a creek, you know you're
[57:40] Speaker 2: looking for high spots, rocks or logs that you bounce
[57:46] Speaker 2: back and forth on as you're crossing a creek so
[57:48] Speaker 2: you don't get your feet wet, and that's what it
[57:50] Speaker 2: kind of looked like it was doing. And so I
[57:53] Speaker 2: remember thinking, oh, maybe it's crossing a creek back there
[57:56] Speaker 2: or a marshy area and it's trying not to sink
[57:59] Speaker 2: in and get its feet wet. But I at the
[58:02] Speaker 2: time was only thinking it was a human. It wasn't
[58:06] Speaker 2: until I was informed that it wasn't. That there weren't
[58:10] Speaker 2: any children in camp, and once we did the recreation
[58:15] Speaker 2: confirming its size and that that is exactly the size
[58:18] Speaker 2: we were looking for to match the tracks we found,
[58:21] Speaker 2: that's when it clicked that, Okay, this was most likely
[58:26] Speaker 2: the target subject that we're looking for that's leaving these
[58:31] Speaker 2: tracks behind.
[58:33] Speaker 1: Well, you had every reason to think it was just
[58:35] Speaker 1: a kid, so you can't be faulted for that. Well,
[58:39] Speaker 1: we're about out of time, Kirk, but before we get
[58:41] Speaker 1: out of here, please take this time to promote your
[58:43] Speaker 1: study Sasquatch YouTube channel.
[58:47] Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I've mentioned it a couple times already because
[58:49] Speaker 2: it contains a lot of the content from our research.
[58:52] Speaker 2: Endeavor to stay away from hype and stick with real
[58:58] Speaker 2: results that we found in terms of audio and thermal
[59:02] Speaker 2: video and track findes and we've made we try to
[59:09] Speaker 2: keep it real and no sensationalism. And it's on YouTube
[59:15] Speaker 2: and the channel is called The Study Sasquatch and you'll
[59:20] Speaker 2: find many videos there from myself, Nathan Bronis, Chris Spencer
[59:25] Speaker 2: and Rebecca Slick Spencer and Boyd Omer and mart Catino
[59:31] Speaker 2: also are part of our group. They help us with
[59:33] Speaker 2: funding and make everything possible and where very grateful for
[59:38] Speaker 2: their involvement and participation.
[59:41] Speaker 1: Well, that's a good team you've put together there. One
[59:44] Speaker 1: last thing, if there was just one video from your
[59:46] Speaker 1: channel that a person could check out, which video would
[59:50] Speaker 1: you recommend?
[59:52] Speaker 2: Return to Nightmare Valley. That's the video that shows the
[59:58] Speaker 2: camp where the ladies were and the stump and the
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: log that the creature that I saw was located where
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: it was on the stump and then ran down the
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: log and everything is explained so you can take the
[1:00:13] Speaker 2: story that I've just shared of my experience and then
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: look at the video and see the location and put
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: the whole situation together so you understand it better.
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: Wow, it sounds like you do things the right way
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: on that channel. That's impressive and for everyone listening if
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: you want to check out study Sasquatch YouTube channel, which
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: we hope you do, please go to the description for
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: tonight's show and you'll find some wings to videos on
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: that channels. Well's the channel itself, so, like I said,
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: we definitely hope you check that out. But having said that, Kirk,
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: the details of all those experiences with us.
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: I really appreciate it, all right, Thank you, Vick. It's
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: been a pleasure to be here in speaking with you.
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: Well, that goes two ways. Thanks than you in so
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: much for your time and have a great night. That's
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff.
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot
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[1:01:22] Speaker 1: hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a great night.

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