# Some Kind of Cryptid Creature - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 464

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 25 Mar 2025, 1 h 23 min.

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Tonight’s guest had his first Sasquatch sighting in September of 2021, near Tulsa, Oklahoma. Since then, he’s had multiple Sasquatch sightings and experiences in both Oklahoma and Michigan. Unfortunately, he came to the sobering reality that there might be a different kind of cryptid in the woods that might not be as safe to be around as the Sasquatch he had encounters with were. On tonight’s show, not only will he share his Sasquatch sightings with you, he’s going to lay out why he thinks Sasquatch aren’t the only cryptids out there, and why the woods might not be so safe to venture into. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to him do that. If you’ve had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 3 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 3 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: If you've had a Bigfoot siding and I would like
[0:02] Speaker 1: to be a guest, please go to bigfootewitness dot com
[0:06] Speaker 1: and let me know. I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
[0:11] Speaker 1: and I had gotten interested in the subject of Bigfoot
[0:14] Speaker 1: once again, as I had through several times in my life,
[0:20] Speaker 1: that what you seek are seek is seeking. You don't
[0:24] Speaker 1: go looking for Bigfoot, He'll find you. That's my advice.
[0:31] Speaker 1: It started in twenty eighteen. I had just moved to
[0:34] Speaker 1: Tulsa and I was listening to podcast. One podcast in
[0:40] Speaker 1: particular was called Strange Familiars, and it dealt with cryptids
[0:46] Speaker 1: and Bigfoot and fairies and elementals and strange experiences, strange places, ghosts, apparitions,
[0:55] Speaker 1: all of these things that I was into, things that
[0:59] Speaker 1: I had always been into, and I had always been
[1:02] Speaker 1: into Bigfoot, but I didn't know a lot about it.
[1:06] Speaker 1: And throughout my life there were certain times where I
[1:10] Speaker 1: felt drawn to try and explore the subject a little bit,
[1:16] Speaker 1: and this was one of those times. In twenty eighteen,
[1:21] Speaker 1: when I was listening to Strange Familiars podcast, I learned
[1:26] Speaker 1: that the gifting of animal skulls was a Sasquatch behavior
[1:32] Speaker 1: and that kind of rocked my world because I had
[1:36] Speaker 1: been gifted a small animal skull four years prior in
[1:42] Speaker 1: ah near Asheville, North Carolina. But before we get into that,
[1:47] Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about my experiences my signing in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
[1:53] Speaker 1: So there was a little bit of a gap between
[1:54] Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and my signing in twenty twenty one. At
[1:58] Speaker 1: the time, I didn't know where to go. I think
[2:01] Speaker 1: I had the misimpression that you had to go to
[2:06] Speaker 1: the most remote places to find them. And I wasn't
[2:10] Speaker 1: necessarily looking for Bigfoot, but I was interested in where
[2:13] Speaker 1: were they? And I was interested in tree structures. That's
[2:20] Speaker 1: kind of how I got started in it. That and elementals.
[2:24] Speaker 1: I've I was interested in elementals also before that, before
[2:28] Speaker 1: I really knew about Bigfoot, and then there was this
[2:31] Speaker 1: connection between them. I was a reiki teacher and I
[2:36] Speaker 1: had been an energy worker for a while and had
[2:40] Speaker 1: seen balls of energy on camera and things like that,
[2:46] Speaker 1: and I've seen pictures of elementals, so I got interested
[2:52] Speaker 1: in that as well, and I wanted to go out
[2:54] Speaker 1: into the woods and try and find them and take
[2:58] Speaker 1: pictures of them. And I didn't know that this just
[3:03] Speaker 1: sort of goes hand in hand with Bigfoot. So fast
[3:07] Speaker 1: forward a few years later. There was different times I
[3:10] Speaker 1: was looking at the map and it really all started
[3:13] Speaker 1: in twenty one for me and heaven Runstone Park and Hevenar, Oklahoma,
[3:19] Speaker 1: and it's the edge of the Washeta Mountains and the
[3:24] Speaker 1: sky is beautiful at night, and I thought this place
[3:27] Speaker 1: would be a great place to kind of try and
[3:29] Speaker 1: connect with the energy there. Little did I know that
[3:35] Speaker 1: that would sort of be my first sasquatch experience. That
[3:40] Speaker 1: night was wild. I heard lots of animal sounds. I
[3:46] Speaker 1: heard the coyotes come out. There was a group of
[3:48] Speaker 1: coyotes that were roaming around. And this place is sitting
[3:51] Speaker 1: on top of a mountain and the campsites are very
[3:55] Speaker 1: dispersed and there's not a lot of campsites, so they're
[3:59] Speaker 1: in the woods on top of this mountain and it's
[4:03] Speaker 1: very very dark, and I remember the wind was started
[4:07] Speaker 1: blowing some rustling the leaves, and you could hear these
[4:12] Speaker 1: coyotes and they were going all around, and I got
[4:15] Speaker 1: a little bit nervous, thinking that they're coyotes. It's like, well,
[4:18] Speaker 1: I hope they don't come around me or bother me.
[4:21] Speaker 1: And then I heard them go kind of down the
[4:25] Speaker 1: hillside just below where I was camping. So I was
[4:28] Speaker 1: hearing all this kind of animal activity going on. It
[4:32] Speaker 1: was kind of wild, and the wind picked up, and
[4:36] Speaker 1: I was doing a fire ceremony, which is something that
[4:40] Speaker 1: I really needed. And for those of the youth that
[4:43] Speaker 1: don't really know what a fire ceremony is, it's just
[4:46] Speaker 1: something that's kind of a traditional practice that's in a
[4:49] Speaker 1: lot of cultures, but it's it helps with cleansing and
[4:53] Speaker 1: renewal on a personal level, and you release what no
[4:58] Speaker 1: longer serves you into the fire. So I was doing that,
[5:01] Speaker 1: and since it was spring or Easter weekend, and I
[5:05] Speaker 1: invited whatever energy's positive energies were there to participate in
[5:12] Speaker 1: the fire ceremony a little did I know when that happened,
[5:17] Speaker 1: I started hearing footsteps, not just the coyotes. You could
[5:22] Speaker 1: hear the coyotes, but it sounded like there were footsteps
[5:27] Speaker 1: out people walking in the leaves. But it was dark,
[5:30] Speaker 1: you know, and usually like I could see, there was
[5:32] Speaker 1: other campers. They go up the whole side on their
[5:37] Speaker 1: little motorized all trained vehicles or in a truck and
[5:42] Speaker 1: they had flashlights, or the neighbor had a headlight. I
[5:45] Speaker 1: think there was only one other person camping around me
[5:47] Speaker 1: that night. And the funny thing was he took off
[5:50] Speaker 1: as soon as it got light, he took off because
[5:52] Speaker 1: I didn't even get a chance to like ask him
[5:55] Speaker 1: what he experienced, if he experienced anything, But the it
[6:01] Speaker 1: sounded like people were walking along the hill, and it
[6:07] Speaker 1: sounded like somebody slowly was creeping up to where I
[6:11] Speaker 1: was camped at. The weird thing was, you couldn't really
[6:16] Speaker 1: wander around in the dark out there because it was
[6:19] Speaker 1: so dark, and I remember looking around and just blackness
[6:24] Speaker 1: that's all you could see. And I would turn on
[6:26] Speaker 1: my head light at one point because I started getting
[6:29] Speaker 1: kind of nervous because it seemed like whenever I would
[6:31] Speaker 1: look or get interested in it, it would stop, and
[6:36] Speaker 1: then I would go back to what I was doing,
[6:39] Speaker 1: and it would just sound like it would it was
[6:41] Speaker 1: something was walking up or creeping just a little bit closer,
[6:44] Speaker 1: like taking steps in the leaves, and it was still
[6:47] Speaker 1: maybe thirty forty feet out from my campsite, and I'd
[6:53] Speaker 1: clip on my headlight and it just the beam wouldn't
[6:56] Speaker 1: even go that far. I mean, I couldn't even see
[6:58] Speaker 1: that far. I could just barely see to the edge
[7:00] Speaker 1: of my camp site. So I got a little spooked
[7:04] Speaker 1: at that point, in the middle of my fire fire ceremony,
[7:06] Speaker 1: I got creeped out because it sounded like something was
[7:09] Speaker 1: walking up on my camp site and I couldn't see anything.
[7:13] Speaker 1: And I said to myself, Okay, well, if you did
[7:19] Speaker 1: invite them, whatever it is, you invited it, and you're
[7:24] Speaker 1: hoping that it's positive. And this was kind of what
[7:28] Speaker 1: you came for. You know, this is what you're there for.
[7:30] Speaker 1: You can't get spooked or freaked out now. And there's
[7:33] Speaker 1: been these times where I've kind of had to say
[7:35] Speaker 1: that occasionally, but thankfully, everything that I've experienced has been
[7:40] Speaker 1: really positive. So and I know that that may not
[7:42] Speaker 1: be like what the typical experience is. If there is
[7:46] Speaker 1: a typical experience, I mean, I don't think there is.
[7:50] Speaker 1: So I woke up the next morning and packed up
[7:53] Speaker 1: and it was just a beautiful morning. I was really
[7:55] Speaker 1: excited after that. I was one to go back out again.
[8:01] Speaker 1: I started looking for like nature preserves and trails just
[8:07] Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time looking at maps looking
[8:09] Speaker 1: for places to go. I went to this one nature
[8:14] Speaker 1: preserve and I got a picture of what I think
[8:17] Speaker 1: is an elemental and sort of a not really a bush,
[8:22] Speaker 1: but like a tangle of brush. They make these like
[8:25] Speaker 1: nests and stuff people have seen like Sasquatch structures, and
[8:29] Speaker 1: then sometimes there's little little structures as well, or there'll
[8:32] Speaker 1: be these little tangles beneath trees and stuff. I think
[8:37] Speaker 1: sometimes those are like homes for elementals. And so I
[8:41] Speaker 1: started getting pictures of these elementals, these little guys, these
[8:45] Speaker 1: little creatures, and so that got me more interested in it.
[8:51] Speaker 1: And like I said, I did at the time, I
[8:52] Speaker 1: didn't know that this was kind of connected to Sasquatch
[8:56] Speaker 1: as well. So then my next experience was that summer
[9:04] Speaker 1: I started looking for places closer to home, and there
[9:11] Speaker 1: was a large park in Tulsa, and I drove there
[9:15] Speaker 1: on a Sunday afternoon after a rainstorm. It was flooded.
[9:19] Speaker 1: I couldn't even get in there to walk. But I
[9:22] Speaker 1: had the idea that there were trails there when I
[9:23] Speaker 1: looked at the map, and the funny thing was, you
[9:26] Speaker 1: can't really see some of the trails or exactly where
[9:29] Speaker 1: some of the trails are. You kind of have to know.
[9:31] Speaker 1: It's almost like a hidden gym. Behind there. It's almost
[9:34] Speaker 1: like a park behind a park, if that makes sense.
[9:37] Speaker 1: You have what you see is the normal park where
[9:39] Speaker 1: there's places where people park and they barbecue on a
[9:42] Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon and they can play. There's fields where they can,
[9:47] Speaker 1: you know, do different sports and activities, do disc GoF fish,
[9:52] Speaker 1: whatever else. You see that part of the park. But
[9:54] Speaker 1: then behind it there's all these nature trails and it
[9:57] Speaker 1: goes on for miles and miles and miles. And I
[10:00] Speaker 1: didn't realize that this is one of the largest city
[10:02] Speaker 1: parks in the country right here in Tulsa. So I thought, well,
[10:07] Speaker 1: this is a great spot. This has got to be
[10:09] Speaker 1: a perfect spot. And at the time, like before that,
[10:12] Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, I had to go out
[10:14] Speaker 1: to some far away place. But I had started watching
[10:17] Speaker 1: other YouTube channels and there was one that stood out
[10:20] Speaker 1: to me. There was this guy in Long Island, New York,
[10:24] Speaker 1: and he was talking about suburban sasquatch and I started
[10:29] Speaker 1: hearing these stories, especially in Oklahoma. A lot of stories
[10:32] Speaker 1: in Oklahoma that you hear are fishermen on like the
[10:37] Speaker 1: lakes and rivers will have sidings, and so I thought, well,
[10:41] Speaker 1: that's a good place to look and Another place that
[10:45] Speaker 1: they tell you to go are the lakes and river bottoms,
[10:48] Speaker 1: which is kind of like the drier areas, but it's
[10:51] Speaker 1: like a low lying area that tends to flood when
[10:54] Speaker 1: there's a lot of water. So that's where I started looking.
[10:57] Speaker 1: I started looking in the lakes and river bottoms. I
[10:58] Speaker 1: started looking in the park Untilsa. This craziest first experience
[11:05] Speaker 1: that I had in the park One summer afternoon, I
[11:11] Speaker 1: was walking back there into this this big nature area
[11:16] Speaker 1: or nature trail, and it's kind of in between a
[11:21] Speaker 1: reservoir and the park, like I said, kind of behind
[11:25] Speaker 1: the park in a sense, and and sort of a
[11:28] Speaker 1: low lying which again what you would call a bottom area.
[11:32] Speaker 1: It's you know, sometimes it would be sort of swampy.
[11:36] Speaker 1: And I was walking back there and I was the
[11:39] Speaker 1: only one there that day, and it was just so quiet,
[11:43] Speaker 1: like early quiet, And the first thing that I remember
[11:48] Speaker 1: that happened was out of the blue, I heard this
[11:51] Speaker 1: this tree break. I heard this crack, and it was
[11:55] Speaker 1: just like like it just seemed to go on forever.
[12:00] Speaker 1: It was like the longest just snap break, like a
[12:04] Speaker 1: huge tree limb brake. And my first thought was, well,
[12:09] Speaker 1: one was that it shattered the quiet of the forest.
[12:12] Speaker 1: It's the only way that I can describe it. And
[12:16] Speaker 1: when you talk about the hair stands up on the
[12:18] Speaker 1: back of your neck, I usually don't have that happen
[12:21] Speaker 1: or like to that degree. But that was the first
[12:23] Speaker 1: time I think that it happened. And yeah, so it
[12:28] Speaker 1: kind of gave me chills. And then my second thought was, well,
[12:32] Speaker 1: if that's a tree limb falling, it didn't hit the ground,
[12:36] Speaker 1: so if it fell naturally and hit the ground, I
[12:43] Speaker 1: would have heard it. And I knew that that wasn't natural.
[12:48] Speaker 1: Oh and I was looking at this big X off
[12:50] Speaker 1: in the distance when I heard it, and so the
[12:53] Speaker 1: trail happened to go the other way. It made a
[12:54] Speaker 1: loop loop back around, and I just thought, okay, well,
[12:57] Speaker 1: I'm just going to walk the other way. And this
[12:59] Speaker 1: was normally what I do when these things happen. I'm
[13:02] Speaker 1: out in the woods hiking. I don't always stick around,
[13:06] Speaker 1: but I'm not going to run away scared either. But
[13:09] Speaker 1: at the same time, if something doesn't want me there,
[13:11] Speaker 1: I'm not going to just stand there and keep on.
[13:13] Speaker 1: I give them their space as well. I try and
[13:15] Speaker 1: have respect for these creatures for whatever they are. And
[13:18] Speaker 1: I'm grateful for the experiences that I do have. So
[13:22] Speaker 1: I walked on around this trail and I think it's
[13:24] Speaker 1: a little over a mile or so, probably about a
[13:27] Speaker 1: third a mile and a third. And I was making
[13:30] Speaker 1: my way back around the loop on this creek, and
[13:36] Speaker 1: there's places in the trail where it kind of closes
[13:39] Speaker 1: in and it's not quite like a claustrophobic feeling, but
[13:45] Speaker 1: where it's just like walls of greenery on either side
[13:47] Speaker 1: and the trees are all down on either side, so
[13:50] Speaker 1: you're just kind of walled in, and the vines are
[13:52] Speaker 1: growing up everywhere, so it's just it's just almost like
[13:56] Speaker 1: just this one path that you can go one way.
[13:59] Speaker 1: You can go either forward or backward. And I was
[14:04] Speaker 1: looking at the way the trees had fallen down and
[14:08] Speaker 1: just kind of listening and it was really quiet again.
[14:13] Speaker 1: And then the second thing happened same day. After hearing
[14:16] Speaker 1: that tree limb crack and break and not hit the ground,
[14:22] Speaker 1: I heard what sounded like people's footsteps in the leaves.
[14:26] Speaker 1: You know, it just sounded like like a couple of
[14:28] Speaker 1: people just walking in leaves, like they don't have a
[14:32] Speaker 1: care in the world, and they're just kicking up leaves,
[14:36] Speaker 1: and this is summer, so the leaves are from last fall.
[14:41] Speaker 1: They're off the trail that's not on the main trail
[14:44] Speaker 1: because the trail is clear. And I was thinking I
[14:47] Speaker 1: was alone again and just to hear somebody walking in
[14:51] Speaker 1: the leaves, kind of just off trail and it was
[14:53] Speaker 1: just sort of ahead of me, about maybe twenty yards
[14:57] Speaker 1: or so, just kind of right around the next bind
[15:00] Speaker 1: that I couldn't quite see. And again, I don't know
[15:05] Speaker 1: that my hair quite stood up on the back of
[15:07] Speaker 1: my neck, but it's kind of that feeling. This is
[15:09] Speaker 1: the summer, it's hot, but you get that almost that
[15:13] Speaker 1: chill sensation, and you have to know. Because I was
[15:18] Speaker 1: still walking in that direction, I wasn't going to turn around,
[15:20] Speaker 1: so and I wanted to see what it was. But
[15:24] Speaker 1: I was pretty spooked at that point. And that was
[15:27] Speaker 1: probably one of the times and the most spooked that
[15:29] Speaker 1: I've gotten, I think since the started. I was hearing
[15:34] Speaker 1: what sounded like foot feet walking in leaves. It sounded
[15:38] Speaker 1: like something jumped or got up and kind of like
[15:44] Speaker 1: boom boom, and then just kind of walking leisurely away
[15:49] Speaker 1: in the leaves, like it wasn't hurrying but it wasn't
[15:53] Speaker 1: sticking around either, And so I walked ahead because I
[15:59] Speaker 1: wanted to, and I knew that I probably wasn't going
[16:01] Speaker 1: to see anything, but I wanted to know. I thought, well,
[16:05] Speaker 1: there's got to be there's got to be people there.
[16:06] Speaker 1: There's got to be somebody walking in the leaves, right,
[16:10] Speaker 1: And so I walk up ahead and I get around
[16:13] Speaker 1: the bend the corner that I couldn't see, or a
[16:16] Speaker 1: bend in the trail by this creek, and there's again
[16:21] Speaker 1: it's kind of all overgrown on either side, and then
[16:23] Speaker 1: on my left hand side, it's like another tree down
[16:26] Speaker 1: and it's not quite like a hollow log. I think
[16:28] Speaker 1: it was kind of hollow in the end, but it
[16:31] Speaker 1: was up so it was like a big root ball,
[16:33] Speaker 1: and it just looked like something could kind of just
[16:36] Speaker 1: lay over in there, just off the trail, and if
[16:41] Speaker 1: you could see what looked like a beaten path down
[16:45] Speaker 1: going down the bank towards the creek through the leaves,
[16:52] Speaker 1: and I realized that there was nobody there. There was
[16:55] Speaker 1: no people walking in the leaves, and so yeah, that
[16:58] Speaker 1: spooked me pretty good. But I was also excited too.
[17:02] Speaker 1: I was really excited at that point, and so I
[17:05] Speaker 1: left the park that day, and then I was just
[17:06] Speaker 1: hooked and I realized that I was having these experiences.
[17:11] Speaker 1: I'd gotten a strange picture too, of what looked like
[17:15] Speaker 1: this is kind of hard to describe, but it's there
[17:18] Speaker 1: was kind of a log or tree leaning out from
[17:21] Speaker 1: the creek, and it looked like somebody had almost kind
[17:24] Speaker 1: of carved or made a little indention of two eyes
[17:27] Speaker 1: and a smile in it. And then it had kind
[17:30] Speaker 1: of a forked or hooked branch coming up off of it,
[17:35] Speaker 1: just a short broken branch that almost looked like I
[17:38] Speaker 1: had hands or arms like it was holding something. And
[17:43] Speaker 1: there was this strange little blue creature that I can't describe.
[17:47] Speaker 1: It was just a little blue guy, which I thought
[17:52] Speaker 1: first might have been a toy, like maybe a toy
[17:55] Speaker 1: had gotten washed up in it when the creek had
[17:58] Speaker 1: swollen and risen, and I actually I was looking down
[18:03] Speaker 1: the bank at it, kind of down the embankment into
[18:08] Speaker 1: the creek, and I was trying to figure out if
[18:10] Speaker 1: a person could have put it in there, And it
[18:12] Speaker 1: was so far out and over into the creek that
[18:15] Speaker 1: I knew that I couldn't have reached it. It would
[18:17] Speaker 1: have taken somebody really tall if they had put it
[18:19] Speaker 1: in there. So I don't know if it was a toy,
[18:22] Speaker 1: but I look at it and I got a picture
[18:24] Speaker 1: of it, and I think that it was an elemental. So,
[18:28] Speaker 1: like I said, I started taking pictures of these elementals.
[18:30] Speaker 1: And then also that same summer, I went back after that,
[18:33] Speaker 1: like two or three weeks later, and I started getting
[18:35] Speaker 1: these weird pictures, just really weird pictures. And how it
[18:39] Speaker 1: usually starts is taking pictures of what I think or
[18:42] Speaker 1: sasquat structures, and then sometimes you'll catch something interesting in
[18:46] Speaker 1: the background, which may or not be a floating bigfoothead.
[18:51] Speaker 1: I don't know. Typically in fall is when I see
[18:57] Speaker 1: the most activity, and I think it was in September
[19:01] Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, I went to another nature preserve
[19:06] Speaker 1: and this place was really special. This is in the
[19:09] Speaker 1: green country of eastern Oklahoma, right at the edge of
[19:13] Speaker 1: the Ozarks, and it's just magical. I had this magical
[19:20] Speaker 1: experience there. There was a lot of tree structures there.
[19:23] Speaker 1: When I walked back there, it was an out and
[19:25] Speaker 1: back trail and so you walked to the end of
[19:28] Speaker 1: it and then you walk back. And as I was
[19:30] Speaker 1: walking back, all right, actually, when I was on my
[19:34] Speaker 1: way going back there, I felt like something brushed past me.
[19:40] Speaker 1: It was ninety degrees in the summer, and which was
[19:46] Speaker 1: cool for that time of year in Oklahoma. We had
[19:51] Speaker 1: a little bit of a breeze, but I felt like
[19:54] Speaker 1: this cool breeze and it wasn't quite chills, but it was.
[19:58] Speaker 1: It kind of gave me chills a little bit. And
[20:00] Speaker 1: then when I was walking back and I crossed this
[20:04] Speaker 1: bridge into this other area, going back to where these
[20:07] Speaker 1: structures were, I started hearing all these birds and all
[20:12] Speaker 1: these blackbirds started just coming from everywhere. I don't know
[20:17] Speaker 1: where they were coming from. There were so many blackbirds
[20:20] Speaker 1: it was crazy, and they were chirping. It was loud.
[20:24] Speaker 1: They were making all this racket and more of them
[20:28] Speaker 1: just started showing up, so there was like more and
[20:31] Speaker 1: more blackbirds, and I thought, oh, this is crazy. So
[20:35] Speaker 1: I just started walking, and as I was walking, the
[20:38] Speaker 1: blackbirds started following me, and there was more and more
[20:41] Speaker 1: of them, and they were following me all the way
[20:44] Speaker 1: back to this area with the tree structures.
[20:47] Speaker 2: And.
[20:49] Speaker 1: I had chills. It was ninety degrees in late summer
[20:54] Speaker 1: or early fall, and I had chills up and down
[20:58] Speaker 1: my back from this energy that I was experiencing. But
[21:02] Speaker 1: before I, like I said, before that happened, it felt
[21:04] Speaker 1: like something brush or woshed past me. And I learned
[21:08] Speaker 1: later learned that they're really fast too, because that wasn't
[21:13] Speaker 1: the first time that that happened. So after that, I
[21:20] Speaker 1: just every chance that I got every weekend, I would
[21:23] Speaker 1: go out. I would look for a place to go,
[21:25] Speaker 1: whether it was in the park in Tulsa, or whether
[21:27] Speaker 1: it was someplace close by or with an hour drive.
[21:31] Speaker 1: And there's a lake in the Tulsa area. It's really beautiful.
[21:37] Speaker 1: It's very rocky around it. There's these high rock walls
[21:41] Speaker 1: and part of it, and I wanted to go out
[21:44] Speaker 1: there and see it. So I drove out there one day.
[21:47] Speaker 1: It was a nice day. There was not a lot
[21:50] Speaker 1: of people out there. I don't think there was anybody
[21:52] Speaker 1: around when I went out there and I went by
[21:55] Speaker 1: the lake. So most of these lakes in Oklahoma, especially
[21:58] Speaker 1: Eastern Oklahoma, are core Engineers projects, meaning that they were built,
[22:02] Speaker 1: you know, after the dust Bowl and by the core
[22:06] Speaker 1: of Engineers. And there's a whole river system that connects
[22:09] Speaker 1: these lakes and they flow kind of flow one into
[22:12] Speaker 1: the other from the northeastern part of the state down
[22:16] Speaker 1: to the south and southeastern part of the state, and
[22:18] Speaker 1: that's where it totally gets its water from. So this
[22:23] Speaker 1: lake has an area that's sort of built around it
[22:27] Speaker 1: that was built by the core of engineers, And there's
[22:30] Speaker 1: a campground there on the other side of it of
[22:33] Speaker 1: where I was, and there's a place to park on
[22:37] Speaker 1: the lake shore, you know, with the grills and everything
[22:42] Speaker 1: for people to have a picnic. So there's also this
[22:47] Speaker 1: lagoon off on the opposite side of that before you
[22:51] Speaker 1: get to this campground, and it's kind of all wooded
[22:54] Speaker 1: around this lagoon. And I don't know if it's a
[22:59] Speaker 1: lagoon the correct word for it. It kind of looks
[23:03] Speaker 1: like what you call a cypress swamp as well too,
[23:06] Speaker 1: not like a big one, but just a small one.
[23:08] Speaker 1: And I don't know if there's cypress trees or not,
[23:10] Speaker 1: but it's where it has the trees that are kind
[23:12] Speaker 1: of growing up out of the water. And so it's
[23:16] Speaker 1: just this really pretty natural area and it's kind of
[23:19] Speaker 1: rocky around it a little bit. There's a rocky bank,
[23:22] Speaker 1: but it looks like it would be a good place
[23:24] Speaker 1: to fish. And there's this canal or channel are like
[23:31] Speaker 1: a creek that runs from the lagoon to the lake,
[23:37] Speaker 1: and it's not like a natural creek. It was again
[23:40] Speaker 1: dug by the core of engineers, so it's a man
[23:43] Speaker 1: made channel or creek that runs between this lagoon and
[23:47] Speaker 1: the lake. And I think there's a drainage tunnel that
[23:49] Speaker 1: it goes under, so you can't actually see it, and
[23:51] Speaker 1: there's a road that goes over it. So anyway, I
[23:56] Speaker 1: stopped and got out of the car and was just
[23:58] Speaker 1: checking out the spot because it looked like a cool spot,
[24:03] Speaker 1: and I was just kind of walking around. There was
[24:06] Speaker 1: a trail, sort of a trail on the left side
[24:09] Speaker 1: of it that went around this rocky part of the lake,
[24:12] Speaker 1: which you couldn't go very far, and it was growing up.
[24:14] Speaker 1: It looked like it would be a lot of rattlesnakes
[24:17] Speaker 1: in there and things like that. It looked like someplace
[24:20] Speaker 1: you didn't really want to go too far, a lot
[24:23] Speaker 1: of briers and things like that. But I was just
[24:26] Speaker 1: kind of exploring it a little bit, and then I
[24:28] Speaker 1: walked back around to the other side, kind of opposite
[24:32] Speaker 1: where I parked. It's sort of just opposite of the
[24:36] Speaker 1: little road, the road that connects to the campground, and
[24:40] Speaker 1: like I said, there's like a drainage tunnel and it
[24:43] Speaker 1: slopes down the hill, and then there's this creek or this,
[24:49] Speaker 1: like I said, this sort of man made channel, and
[24:53] Speaker 1: it's probably about twenty five feet wide, and it looks
[24:58] Speaker 1: like it's really deep. It just looks like a deep
[25:01] Speaker 1: sort of v channel. And on the other side of
[25:05] Speaker 1: that is this wooded area and it kind of comes
[25:10] Speaker 1: out and it sort of curves around and tapers into
[25:17] Speaker 1: the cypress swamp, lagoon or whatever it is. And then
[25:21] Speaker 1: on the right side it curves back into this really
[25:25] Speaker 1: thick wooded area. Now this is the eastern part of Oklahoma,
[25:28] Speaker 1: so again I said, it's ozarks, but it's also it's
[25:32] Speaker 1: this sort of mixed habitat that looks like scrub brush
[25:37] Speaker 1: and sage and then hardwoods, just a very diverse, harsh
[25:46] Speaker 1: sort of landscape. And it's also sort of rocky as well.
[25:52] Speaker 1: So on the opposite side, I look over, I come
[25:56] Speaker 1: to this little part where it goes down, it tapers
[25:59] Speaker 1: down by the creek or the canal, and I'm looking
[26:03] Speaker 1: at the other side over there, and that it goes
[26:06] Speaker 1: back up the bank these rocks, and then there's just
[26:11] Speaker 1: this tall grass. It's like, like I said, it's like
[26:14] Speaker 1: sage or sage brush, I think is the word that
[26:17] Speaker 1: I'm looking for, and trees and things like that. And
[26:21] Speaker 1: there's a tree sort of in the foreground, and about
[26:26] Speaker 1: ten feet out from that tree, it looked like something
[26:30] Speaker 1: sitting under that tree and it was just sitting there,
[26:34] Speaker 1: not moving. When I saw it, it stood out like
[26:39] Speaker 1: a sore thumb. It looked like something that did not belong.
[26:45] Speaker 1: And my brain is trying to tell me, or trying
[26:49] Speaker 1: to convince me that it's a rock. But I know
[26:53] Speaker 1: that it's not a rock, and it doesn't look like
[26:55] Speaker 1: a rock. But it's this thing that's sitting there looking
[26:59] Speaker 1: like trying to look like a rock. And it's black.
[27:03] Speaker 1: It's dark. I could see the top half of it
[27:06] Speaker 1: was sort of black and dark, and it didn't look
[27:11] Speaker 1: like anything else. It didn't match the surroundings. You know,
[27:16] Speaker 1: it just didn't look like the rocks were not that color.
[27:19] Speaker 1: You know, there were no rocks and I was looking around.
[27:21] Speaker 1: I was like, there's no rocks like that. And the
[27:26] Speaker 1: bottom half of it looked like it was covered up.
[27:29] Speaker 1: So I really couldn't get an idea how large, what
[27:34] Speaker 1: size this creature was, and I say a creature because
[27:37] Speaker 1: I really believe that's what it was. And it was
[27:44] Speaker 1: hard to get an idea. Most people say that the
[27:46] Speaker 1: Bigfoot or sasquatch are really huge creatures, and I'm not
[27:51] Speaker 1: saying it wasn't big in comparison to this tree that
[27:54] Speaker 1: it was sitting about ten feet from. It was definitely
[27:58] Speaker 1: wider than the tree, and it was sitting under the
[28:01] Speaker 1: canopy of this tree, so it was a big full
[28:03] Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a maple or something
[28:06] Speaker 1: like that where the has a big full canopy, but
[28:09] Speaker 1: it was kind of sitting under that, and it looked
[28:11] Speaker 1: like there was some branches that had fallen down, and
[28:14] Speaker 1: it was kind of sitting under that as well, like
[28:16] Speaker 1: a few branches were on its uh would have been
[28:22] Speaker 1: its left side, kind of covering it up. So it
[28:25] Speaker 1: looked like it was trying to hide in the brush
[28:28] Speaker 1: but not really. But also it looked like it was
[28:31] Speaker 1: blending in with a brush. And I actually got a picture.
[28:34] Speaker 1: I had a picture in a video and that was
[28:35] Speaker 1: kind of my first video that I made. But before that,
[28:41] Speaker 1: it just looked like when I saw it, like the
[28:44] Speaker 1: video didn't do it justice. And when I saw it,
[28:46] Speaker 1: it looked like it really stood out. And like I said,
[28:51] Speaker 1: it looked like it was trying to be a rock,
[28:53] Speaker 1: but it didn't really look like a rock. I just
[28:55] Speaker 1: can't explain it any other way. The weird thing when
[28:58] Speaker 1: you look at the picture and what I saw was
[29:03] Speaker 1: it looked like, and I know this is going to
[29:05] Speaker 1: sound crazy, but it looked like it had on a
[29:08] Speaker 1: hat or some type of headdress. The head or the
[29:13] Speaker 1: hat looked really funny and it was not. It was
[29:20] Speaker 1: not cone shaped what people think of. It looked like
[29:26] Speaker 1: almost like I had a roll to the front of it.
[29:29] Speaker 1: The only way I can describe it is it reminded
[29:31] Speaker 1: me almost of a Middle Eastern type headdress or almost
[29:36] Speaker 1: like what Bedouins would wear, or the thing kind of
[29:40] Speaker 1: around the head that sits on top of the head,
[29:42] Speaker 1: but it's got like not really a veil is the
[29:46] Speaker 1: word I'm looking for, but I called it a veil
[29:49] Speaker 1: or a shroud. It almost looked like it had this
[29:52] Speaker 1: material kind of hanging down off the sides of this
[29:55] Speaker 1: headdress or hat that it was attached to or tucked
[29:59] Speaker 1: up into, and it was kind of draped down under
[30:02] Speaker 1: the chin and around on both sides of its head,
[30:05] Speaker 1: so that all I could see was maybe barely the
[30:09] Speaker 1: top part of the mouth. It looked like it had
[30:11] Speaker 1: this big, sort of long, kind of plenty nose. It
[30:15] Speaker 1: was strange looking, and I could see these eyes. That's
[30:20] Speaker 1: how I knew that it was not a rock and
[30:24] Speaker 1: it was it was an actual creature, that it was something,
[30:26] Speaker 1: because I could clearly see the eyes. And in the
[30:28] Speaker 1: picture you can see the eyes. There's these big, kind
[30:33] Speaker 1: of round, dark looking eyes. It almost looks like it
[30:37] Speaker 1: had lenses or glasses on but there because they were
[30:39] Speaker 1: so dark. But there's the ree you can see, like
[30:43] Speaker 1: the what they call the ocular recess. You can see
[30:46] Speaker 1: that it's recess. It's got two eyes and a nose,
[30:50] Speaker 1: and just sort of the top part of the mouth,
[30:52] Speaker 1: and then the rest of its kind of chin or
[30:55] Speaker 1: whatever is hidden by this veil or shroud as I
[30:58] Speaker 1: called it, This that sort of draped over it, and
[31:01] Speaker 1: it seems to be sort of going over a part
[31:04] Speaker 1: of its shoulder or like it's holding it up to
[31:08] Speaker 1: on one part of the side. And I'm not sure
[31:10] Speaker 1: how they do what they do, but I know that
[31:12] Speaker 1: they have these abilities that they can blend into their surroundings,
[31:18] Speaker 1: and they can even be invisible to where you don't
[31:21] Speaker 1: see them at all. So this thing, whatever it was,
[31:24] Speaker 1: it wanted me to see it. It was there for
[31:26] Speaker 1: me to see it. And you know, your mind is
[31:31] Speaker 1: just trying to like maintain calm at the time because
[31:36] Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like, I don't believe what I'm seeing.
[31:38] Speaker 1: Even today when I talk about some of these things
[31:40] Speaker 1: that happen, it's still hard to believe to think about it.
[31:44] Speaker 1: But so this creature looked like it had this sort
[31:48] Speaker 1: of cloth draped in front of it. Is what I
[31:50] Speaker 1: saw it to be, or perceived it to be, kind
[31:53] Speaker 1: of hiding behind it, hiding in the grass, in the
[31:56] Speaker 1: in the brush, in the in the same brush. And
[32:01] Speaker 1: like I said, I couldn't see the bottom half of
[32:03] Speaker 1: it because it was covered up, and that grass is
[32:07] Speaker 1: really really high, I mean it's at least two or
[32:10] Speaker 1: three feet deep and there, so from all the way
[32:13] Speaker 1: down I couldn't see anything. I could just see kind
[32:18] Speaker 1: of like what would be a shoulder and maybe an arm,
[32:21] Speaker 1: And like I said, it seemed like it was just
[32:23] Speaker 1: sort of hiding it, but it was not moving the
[32:24] Speaker 1: whole time, And I thought, well, if this is I'm
[32:31] Speaker 1: supposed to have this encounter, the least I can do
[32:35] Speaker 1: is to just sit down and honor it for what
[32:37] Speaker 1: it is. And I sat there. I sat down on
[32:40] Speaker 1: a rock opposite the creek, staring at this thing. And
[32:45] Speaker 1: I don't know how long I stared at it. I
[32:48] Speaker 1: know that I didn't stare at it long. I want
[32:51] Speaker 1: to say it was ten minutes, but honestly, it probably
[32:54] Speaker 1: it probably felt like ten minutes, but really it was
[32:56] Speaker 1: probably like maybe two, just because I don't know, not
[33:01] Speaker 1: that I didn't have the patience for it or whatever,
[33:03] Speaker 1: but I knew at some point I was like, well,
[33:05] Speaker 1: I have to move before this thing is ever going
[33:07] Speaker 1: to move. I knew enough to know that I knew
[33:10] Speaker 1: that they could remain still for a long period of time.
[33:14] Speaker 1: And I just watched it. And this thing did not move.
[33:19] Speaker 1: It did not blink, It did not move at all.
[33:21] Speaker 1: And it was it looked like when you see the
[33:24] Speaker 1: picture of it too. It was facing me in the
[33:28] Speaker 1: grass or whatever, like just staring into my soul. Almost.
[33:36] Speaker 1: It was I don't know, it was weird, and I
[33:41] Speaker 1: knew that I would have to move, I'd have to
[33:43] Speaker 1: get up and move, and I knew that I couldn't
[33:47] Speaker 1: stay there. I also thought about I really wanted to
[33:50] Speaker 1: go get over there to it, but I also knew
[33:53] Speaker 1: that it knew that there was no way, and that
[33:56] Speaker 1: we had that space, that gulf of that that creak
[34:00] Speaker 1: between us. I didn't have a boat, I didn't have
[34:03] Speaker 1: a kayak. I didn't have any way to get over there.
[34:06] Speaker 1: It would have taken me a lot of effort to
[34:10] Speaker 1: walk all the way back around through those woods and
[34:15] Speaker 1: then kind of back onto that. It was almost like
[34:18] Speaker 1: a little island over there, and there to the right
[34:22] Speaker 1: of the lagoon that this thing was on, and it
[34:26] Speaker 1: was just thick. It was so thick back there. But
[34:29] Speaker 1: like I said, the edge of it was this just
[34:31] Speaker 1: kind of this scrub brush or sage brush, this tall grass,
[34:37] Speaker 1: and there was like like I said, sticks and stuff
[34:39] Speaker 1: like that. It looked like it was kind of sitting
[34:44] Speaker 1: in an old limb that had fallen down and was
[34:50] Speaker 1: across on one side of it, and then like I said,
[34:52] Speaker 1: the other side, it just almost looked like it had
[34:54] Speaker 1: something or its arm was kind of hidden and it
[34:58] Speaker 1: was blending into the grass and everything around it. But
[35:02] Speaker 1: what was cool about it was it was seating out
[35:04] Speaker 1: about ten feet from that tree, and when you look
[35:06] Speaker 1: at that picture, you can get an idea the size
[35:10] Speaker 1: of it, or the scale from the scale of that
[35:12] Speaker 1: picture that tree, because that's not a small tree in
[35:14] Speaker 1: that picture when it had a full canopy. I had
[35:19] Speaker 1: a lot of people say that when they saw it,
[35:22] Speaker 1: that they didn't believe it, that it was a rock.
[35:24] Speaker 1: And I think most people believed it, but because there
[35:29] Speaker 1: were naysayers, and because your mind tends to doubt things
[35:32] Speaker 1: like that as well. I actually went back. I went
[35:37] Speaker 1: back several times, but I had to go back and look.
[35:41] Speaker 1: I went back later that fall. I think I went
[35:42] Speaker 1: back two months later. This was early fall when I
[35:44] Speaker 1: had my sighting in twenty twenty one. I think it
[35:47] Speaker 1: was September or early October, because it was still warm
[35:51] Speaker 1: out it hadn't quite gotten cold. And then I went
[35:54] Speaker 1: back in November because I had to look and see
[35:59] Speaker 1: if it was still there. You know, I went back
[36:03] Speaker 1: several times to see if there was anything there, if
[36:06] Speaker 1: I would have some kind of experience or some kind
[36:08] Speaker 1: of encounter, thinking that you know, it would be the
[36:11] Speaker 1: same again, but it's never the same. It's always different,
[36:15] Speaker 1: and you never know, I mean, you can't predict when
[36:18] Speaker 1: you'll have something like that. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
[36:23] Speaker 1: But when I went back, I did have some other
[36:26] Speaker 1: interesting things happen, at least on camera. I did catch
[36:31] Speaker 1: what I believe are elementals or cryptids as well, possibly
[36:35] Speaker 1: another different creature. I'm really not sure what it is.
[36:41] Speaker 1: You know, people will say, I think when they start
[36:46] Speaker 1: out you start looking for bigfoot, you think you're thinking
[36:49] Speaker 1: in terms of this ape. And it's not an ape.
[36:52] Speaker 1: If anything, it's more advanced than we are, at least
[36:57] Speaker 1: what I'm seeing and what I'm experiencing. I think these
[37:00] Speaker 1: creatures are way more advanced than us by millions of years.
[37:05] Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is true of everybody's experience,
[37:08] Speaker 1: because I think a lot of this could be subjective
[37:10] Speaker 1: to the individual as well. But at least in my experience,
[37:16] Speaker 1: these creatures what I saw, I believed was an ancient one.
[37:22] Speaker 1: That was the name that came to me, and I've
[37:24] Speaker 1: heard other people refer to them as well. And I
[37:30] Speaker 1: don't know that that's a bigfoot, the typical it's not
[37:32] Speaker 1: the typical bigfoot that people associate with, sort of the
[37:36] Speaker 1: man ape in the woods. This is some kind of
[37:40] Speaker 1: advanced creature. It could be millions of years older than this.
[37:44] Speaker 1: They may not even be native to this planet. And
[37:48] Speaker 1: what I've seen, I think there's different types of these creatures.
[37:52] Speaker 1: There's more than one type of Bigfoot. I think some
[37:56] Speaker 1: of them could be more native and terrestrial. I think
[38:00] Speaker 1: some of them could be much older, and maybe they
[38:03] Speaker 1: came from different planets or different star systems. Maybe there's
[38:08] Speaker 1: lots of different creatures like that that left their progeny
[38:11] Speaker 1: here or their descendants, or maybe they're here now for
[38:14] Speaker 1: whatever reason. I personally think part of why they're here
[38:19] Speaker 1: is to raise the vibration of the Earth. And that's
[38:22] Speaker 1: what my experience has been. Why I connect with them
[38:26] Speaker 1: is energetic. I connect with their energy and I experience
[38:32] Speaker 1: their energy. It's definitely a higher vibrational energy when I
[38:37] Speaker 1: have these experiences. And just one more thing about my
[38:42] Speaker 1: siding that happened in twenty twenty one. It was late summer,
[38:47] Speaker 1: early fall September of twenty twenty one near Tulsa. The
[38:54] Speaker 1: picture that I got, not only did I get a
[38:57] Speaker 1: picture of this creature, there was a UFO and the
[39:03] Speaker 1: sky above it. When I souped in there was a
[39:06] Speaker 1: silver disk and so that just kind of blew my
[39:09] Speaker 1: mind all together, thinking that, yeah, maybe there is this
[39:13] Speaker 1: supposed connection that you hear about between UFOs and Bigfoot.
[39:19] Speaker 1: So I definitely believe there's something to it. So we're
[39:23] Speaker 1: going back to the park in Tulsa. Everything happened so quick,
[39:28] Speaker 1: and that summer and fall of twenty twenty one, it's
[39:33] Speaker 1: hard to keep all the details straight up exactly when
[39:37] Speaker 1: they happened, because it just it was almost a blur.
[39:40] Speaker 1: There was so many things. It was literally every time
[39:44] Speaker 1: I went out to the park or I went out,
[39:46] Speaker 1: I was having some kind of experience, even if it
[39:48] Speaker 1: wasn't a siding. I was hearing things, I was getting
[39:53] Speaker 1: things on camera that I couldn't explain, getting pictures of Bigfoot,
[39:59] Speaker 1: and and I started gifting. I think that's what really
[40:05] Speaker 1: kicked it off after that, was I started gifting. I
[40:08] Speaker 1: didn't do it a lot, it was only a couple times,
[40:12] Speaker 1: but I thought it was Thanksgiving. I was all alone,
[40:17] Speaker 1: and I thought, I'll go hiking and I'll gift these
[40:21] Speaker 1: creatures in the woods in the park something. And I
[40:27] Speaker 1: walked back to the trail where I had the experience
[40:32] Speaker 1: the previous summer, where I heard the tree limb snap
[40:36] Speaker 1: and break and shatter, the quiet of the forest, and
[40:39] Speaker 1: I heard footsteps running in the leaves because I knew
[40:42] Speaker 1: they were there. I knew these creatures were right on
[40:46] Speaker 1: the edge of the city where the planes in the
[40:50] Speaker 1: green country of Oklahoma meets Tulsa. That's where you'll find them,
[40:59] Speaker 1: and that's summer. They were there, and I was thinking earlier,
[41:02] Speaker 1: I don't know how much of it does have to
[41:05] Speaker 1: do with food too, and food sources. I'm not entirely
[41:10] Speaker 1: convinced that they need to eat as much as people
[41:13] Speaker 1: think they do for a creature of that size or
[41:16] Speaker 1: the way that we do. But there were a lot
[41:19] Speaker 1: of deer I remember that season as well, just deer everywhere,
[41:25] Speaker 1: and there were a lot of small deer baby deer
[41:28] Speaker 1: pahons as well that had matured. Later that fall, I
[41:35] Speaker 1: found either two or three deer kills in the park,
[41:41] Speaker 1: and I was surprised that I had found them and
[41:43] Speaker 1: nobody had cleaned them up, because there's it's a big
[41:45] Speaker 1: park and there's a lot of people working there as well.
[41:49] Speaker 1: But I went back, I returned to the place of
[41:53] Speaker 1: that that crazy sounds that I heard of people walking
[41:57] Speaker 1: or footsteps and leaves, and I gifted there what I
[42:03] Speaker 1: thought was a structure that they had made or some
[42:07] Speaker 1: old fallen trees that had fallen, but there were a
[42:10] Speaker 1: lot of exes, small like small x'es around it a
[42:14] Speaker 1: lot of times. That's how I started identifying these sasquat
[42:18] Speaker 1: structures were the exes and things like that, And so
[42:24] Speaker 1: I left my offering for them there. I had some
[42:28] Speaker 1: oatmeal cream pies and they were these were the big
[42:32] Speaker 1: oatmeal cream pies. They're the really good ones. And they
[42:37] Speaker 1: had the they were decorated for Thanksgiving. They had like
[42:39] Speaker 1: the little googly eyes with some cut out construction paper
[42:44] Speaker 1: feathers on, so they looked like turkeys. And I left
[42:49] Speaker 1: a Canavian and sausages and I think a couple of oranges,
[42:55] Speaker 1: and so I went back. I left them, and I
[42:58] Speaker 1: went back the next day or a few day later,
[43:00] Speaker 1: and they were still there, and I thought, okay, well,
[43:03] Speaker 1: I'll just leave them. And when I went back, I
[43:09] Speaker 1: cracked the lid on the Vienna sausages because I didn't
[43:12] Speaker 1: know if they would know how to open it necessarily,
[43:16] Speaker 1: but I cracked the lid on it, but I didn't
[43:18] Speaker 1: peel the lid all the way back, because this is
[43:20] Speaker 1: something I've seen other people do, so I wanted to
[43:23] Speaker 1: try it out. Well. I went back a day or
[43:26] Speaker 1: two later after that, and when I went back, they
[43:32] Speaker 1: had gotten the offering. Oh. The first time I went back,
[43:35] Speaker 1: it looked like a scroll had knocked the stuff off
[43:38] Speaker 1: the log or something like maybe a critter had messed
[43:41] Speaker 1: with it. But here's the weird thing, and I've heard
[43:44] Speaker 1: other people say this as well. When they leave gifts,
[43:48] Speaker 1: the critters don't bother them, and so nothing had gotten
[43:51] Speaker 1: into this stuff. Like the oatmeal cream pies were still there.
[43:56] Speaker 1: They had just fallen off the log and were weighing
[43:58] Speaker 1: in the leaves. Picked them up and I put them
[44:01] Speaker 1: back on the log. And I picked up the can
[44:03] Speaker 1: of Vienna sausages that had fallen, and I just cracked
[44:07] Speaker 1: the lid on it and started to peel it back
[44:10] Speaker 1: just a smidge, just so it was barely open but
[44:14] Speaker 1: not pulled, and I left it sitting there. And so
[44:19] Speaker 1: I came back a few days later, it might have
[44:22] Speaker 1: been about a week later. I think I wasn't able
[44:24] Speaker 1: to go right away, but I wanted to give it
[44:27] Speaker 1: a few days or whatever before I go back out there.
[44:29] Speaker 1: And part of my thinking too was not only just
[44:32] Speaker 1: to follow up on it, but also to check or
[44:36] Speaker 1: to clean up the trash, because I didn't want to
[44:38] Speaker 1: leave trash in the park, and there was already a
[44:40] Speaker 1: lot of trash in there, but I wasn't going to
[44:43] Speaker 1: leave trash from gifting. So I went back and I looked,
[44:50] Speaker 1: and sure enough something they had gotten the Oatmelk cream
[44:56] Speaker 1: pies and they had eaten them, and the wrappers were there,
[45:00] Speaker 1: still quite cleanly opened, and I picked up the wrappers
[45:04] Speaker 1: and I saw the Vienna sausage can laying under the leaves,
[45:08] Speaker 1: and so I picked that up and the lid had
[45:11] Speaker 1: been completely removed. It had been completely torn off and
[45:14] Speaker 1: taken off the can. So something with hands had to
[45:18] Speaker 1: have picked that can up and taken the lid off
[45:21] Speaker 1: of it. So after that, after gifting them, I felt
[45:28] Speaker 1: like I had really connected with them and their energy.
[45:32] Speaker 1: And this was Thanksgiving. The day that I went in
[45:37] Speaker 1: the park Thanksgiving and left the gifts, there was nobody there.
[45:42] Speaker 1: I was the only one in that park, and in
[45:47] Speaker 1: a way that was kind of eerie, but in a
[45:48] Speaker 1: way it was kind of good as well. I feel
[45:50] Speaker 1: like usually most times when I've had these experiences is
[45:55] Speaker 1: when I've been completely alone or just me and the
[45:58] Speaker 1: sasquatch people, and I call them I also I generally
[46:02] Speaker 1: refer to them as the forest people as well, because
[46:05] Speaker 1: that's what I started thinking that when I started realizing
[46:08] Speaker 1: that there's maybe more than just one type of sasquatch
[46:13] Speaker 1: or creature or being in the woods, I started thinking
[46:17] Speaker 1: them as just forest people in general, not to sort
[46:20] Speaker 1: of lump them all together. But it could mean, you know, elementals,
[46:24] Speaker 1: It could mean anything, really, And don't even get me
[46:28] Speaker 1: started on that other cryptid because when I heard about that,
[46:32] Speaker 1: I was just getting into Bigfoot, and I was like,
[46:35] Speaker 1: you mean I just got I just learned about Bigfoot.
[46:39] Speaker 1: You mean there's something else in there that I got
[46:41] Speaker 1: a fear in the woods. I wasn't ready for that,
[46:45] Speaker 1: and I try not to think too much about that.
[46:48] Speaker 1: Like I said, again, most of my experiences, they've all
[46:51] Speaker 1: been positive. It didn't always start out that way, though,
[46:55] Speaker 1: at least in a sense. I think a lot of
[46:57] Speaker 1: this the way people say, well, or it's positive or negative,
[47:01] Speaker 1: it has to do with the way people perceive it.
[47:03] Speaker 1: Sometimes what could be seem like a negative thing may
[47:10] Speaker 1: not necessarily be as scary as you may first think.
[47:15] Speaker 1: I think a lot of sightings and encounters are misinterpreted
[47:21] Speaker 1: as well. My own experience and what I know about
[47:25] Speaker 1: them is they have a wicked sense of humor as well.
[47:29] Speaker 1: So we were gifting the forced people in the park
[47:33] Speaker 1: in Tulsa. That's where most of my sightings were. There
[47:39] Speaker 1: were several different parks. In each one of the parks
[47:43] Speaker 1: in Tulsa, I had what I'd love to be as siding.
[47:47] Speaker 1: It's not always what you would think of in a
[47:49] Speaker 1: typical sense. I can't say I saw them move a
[47:53] Speaker 1: lot of times. What I think I'm seeing our juveniles.
[47:56] Speaker 1: They're young, they're a little bit smaller than what you
[47:59] Speaker 1: would typically think bigfoot is. They're typically hiding, they're in
[48:03] Speaker 1: a tree, and they're sort of blending in like they do.
[48:07] Speaker 1: But when I like one time I saw one at
[48:10] Speaker 1: Turkey Mountain and I've got a picture of that one,
[48:15] Speaker 1: and I clearly saw it. It was standing out like
[48:17] Speaker 1: I could see a face almost just kind of topped
[48:20] Speaker 1: down like you couldn't see that again, you couldn't see
[48:22] Speaker 1: the top of its head, but just maybe a slight
[48:25] Speaker 1: point and it was kind of squished down. It looked
[48:28] Speaker 1: like it was kind of flattening out or whatever. They
[48:31] Speaker 1: can change their their shape and size, I think, as
[48:35] Speaker 1: well as their appearance and blending into to their surroundings.
[48:39] Speaker 1: But this was just in the side of a tree. Again,
[48:41] Speaker 1: it looked like it stuck out like a sore thumb.
[48:42] Speaker 1: It looked like someone that didn't belong. And I'm not
[48:45] Speaker 1: the only one that's in the park on a Saturday.
[48:47] Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, how many other people see this? Like
[48:50] Speaker 1: do they did they not see that there's a big
[48:52] Speaker 1: foot in the tree right there? I don't know. But
[48:56] Speaker 1: also again, I think a lot of this is subjective,
[48:58] Speaker 1: So maybe I'm only one that's having these sightings or whatever.
[49:02] Speaker 1: Maybe I'm the only one that can see it. And
[49:05] Speaker 1: sometimes that's the case, but I know again, and I
[49:08] Speaker 1: didn't start out to make a channel and put these
[49:11] Speaker 1: on there, but I wanted some way to document it,
[49:13] Speaker 1: so I started getting these pictures and video of these things,
[49:16] Speaker 1: and other people see them as well, and other people
[49:19] Speaker 1: seem to be having these similar same experiences as well.
[49:24] Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm special in any way having
[49:27] Speaker 1: these experiences. I think that this is part of a
[49:30] Speaker 1: collective effort. It's something that's going on between our people
[49:36] Speaker 1: and their people. I think that they've been around for
[49:40] Speaker 1: a long time, and I think there was times where
[49:43] Speaker 1: we were probably a lot closer to the Susquatch people
[49:45] Speaker 1: than we are today and not afraid of them. I
[49:48] Speaker 1: think there was probably a time when they were probably
[49:50] Speaker 1: seen as our big brother. And if you look at
[49:52] Speaker 1: other cultures in the world, there are stories of the
[49:56] Speaker 1: helpful Sasquatch, of them helping out, of them building things.
[50:01] Speaker 1: And from what I've seen, I believe it's true. They
[50:04] Speaker 1: can make, you know, teepees in the woods. They can
[50:07] Speaker 1: make all kinds of structures up overnight and you have
[50:09] Speaker 1: no idea how to get there. And I've seen things
[50:14] Speaker 1: that just defy rational explanation. I know that they have
[50:17] Speaker 1: abilities beyond what we think of or what we have.
[50:21] Speaker 1: I think they have more ways of communicating than we do,
[50:25] Speaker 1: everything from empathy to the things that they do making
[50:29] Speaker 1: bird calls. That's how a lot of my contact is
[50:35] Speaker 1: as well. I get strange bird calls, al calls. A
[50:39] Speaker 1: lot of times the crows will start sounding off to
[50:42] Speaker 1: kind of let me know they're there. And since I've
[50:45] Speaker 1: moved to Michigan, it's been ravens. I've got a lot
[50:48] Speaker 1: of raven activity. I hear ravens all the time. Sometimes
[50:51] Speaker 1: they are ravens, but sometimes I think they're making raven
[50:54] Speaker 1: calls or alcohols. Getting back to sort of wrap up
[51:02] Speaker 1: what happened in Oklahoma after Thanksgiving and gifting them, I
[51:10] Speaker 1: saw when I was going back in the woods, there
[51:13] Speaker 1: was a blind down on the way on the path
[51:17] Speaker 1: back on the right hand side, just off the trail,
[51:20] Speaker 1: and it looked like there was It looked alive, It
[51:23] Speaker 1: looked like there were creatures in it. And I felt
[51:28] Speaker 1: like that day on Thanksgiving that I was not alone
[51:33] Speaker 1: in the park, I felt all this energy and it
[51:38] Speaker 1: hit me hard then, like immediately, but it lasted for days,
[51:45] Speaker 1: Like I felt like I was just on this other
[51:48] Speaker 1: vibrational kick for days after that from being just being
[51:52] Speaker 1: in their presence and being around them. My intuitive sense
[51:56] Speaker 1: tells me that there were a lot of visitors or guests,
[52:00] Speaker 1: if you will, that there were some there that are
[52:03] Speaker 1: not normally there in the sense that you would normally
[52:07] Speaker 1: think of. They were there visiting to help sort of
[52:11] Speaker 1: with the energy and to help kind of mediate things
[52:15] Speaker 1: with the ones that were there locally, not in a
[52:20] Speaker 1: non peaceful sense, but in the energetic sense, and so
[52:26] Speaker 1: I gifted a second time later that fall, or it
[52:30] Speaker 1: was actually early winter, it was about Christmas. I went
[52:34] Speaker 1: back to the park and I took them a bag
[52:37] Speaker 1: of peanuts, like a big bag or a couple of
[52:40] Speaker 1: bags of peanuts, and I can't remember what else, a
[52:43] Speaker 1: couple of food items.
[52:44] Speaker 2: I know.
[52:45] Speaker 1: I left a couple of carrots in there as well,
[52:47] Speaker 1: and I left them on a stump by the creek.
[52:50] Speaker 1: And at the time, I felt like something was watching
[52:54] Speaker 1: me from across the creek again, just on the other side,
[52:57] Speaker 1: like kind of peering around the tree. I knew that
[53:02] Speaker 1: they were watching me, and so I left the gifts
[53:07] Speaker 1: for him there on the stump. I came back the
[53:10] Speaker 1: next day to check on it. So I immediately wanted to
[53:13] Speaker 1: follow up, and I knew that they were going to
[53:16] Speaker 1: go for those peanuts, and sure enough they had. It
[53:19] Speaker 1: was two bags of peanuts I got from the dollar store,
[53:22] Speaker 1: and it looked like something had picked up the bag,
[53:26] Speaker 1: taken the peanuts out and taken about one or two steps,
[53:29] Speaker 1: which for them it might have been one step, but
[53:31] Speaker 1: it was maybe ten fifteen feet away from the stump,
[53:35] Speaker 1: and it looked like the bags had been sliced cleanly open,
[53:39] Speaker 1: which is another thing that I've heard, that they'll use
[53:41] Speaker 1: a fingernail to slice the bags open on one end.
[53:45] Speaker 1: And the peanuts were gone, and it looked like they
[53:48] Speaker 1: tossed the carrots off to the side. Of course, they
[53:50] Speaker 1: didn't want those, and they took I can't remember what
[53:54] Speaker 1: it was, but it was some kind of sweet treat.
[53:56] Speaker 1: I think it was cookies. I gave them some cookies
[53:58] Speaker 1: and the cookies were gone, So I picked up the
[54:03] Speaker 1: trash and proceeded to go hiking through the park. And
[54:09] Speaker 1: again this park in Tulsa, Oklahoma, there were sasquat structures,
[54:14] Speaker 1: there was TP. The TP actually moved. It moved from
[54:18] Speaker 1: one location to a next to another one. There was
[54:21] Speaker 1: a teaching pavilion, and that same summer they took it
[54:25] Speaker 1: down stick by stick at night and moved it to
[54:28] Speaker 1: another location where it was a little less obvious, which
[54:33] Speaker 1: I thought at the time when I saw the TP
[54:36] Speaker 1: being taken down, I didn't realize that it was slowly
[54:39] Speaker 1: being taken them down. It wasn't. It didn't just happen overnight,
[54:43] Speaker 1: as it were. It was just slowly being taken apart,
[54:47] Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I wonder if the parks people
[54:51] Speaker 1: didn't want the TP there. And I was hiking one
[54:56] Speaker 1: day and through another section and found the TP had
[54:59] Speaker 1: been rebuilt in another location and done even better than
[55:04] Speaker 1: it was before. It was almost like they didn't quite
[55:06] Speaker 1: complete it where it was the first time, but they
[55:09] Speaker 1: moved it, and they had covered it with bark, like
[55:15] Speaker 1: large pieces of bark off of an old, large tree
[55:19] Speaker 1: that was decaying nearby, and they put all this bark
[55:24] Speaker 1: around it so that it was covered. It was just
[55:26] Speaker 1: the most perfect tepee that I've ever seen. And getting
[55:32] Speaker 1: back to the gifting of the food, I was walking
[55:37] Speaker 1: from one area of the park to another, and it
[55:40] Speaker 1: was this sort of wide open meadow crossing that into
[55:45] Speaker 1: another section, a wooded area of another part of the park,
[55:51] Speaker 1: and these trails would just go on for miles. But
[55:54] Speaker 1: as I was crossing over into this other section right
[55:59] Speaker 1: before where I entered it on my trail, on the
[56:02] Speaker 1: trail of the pathway, I looked down and I saw
[56:07] Speaker 1: this thing that's just just sticking out. I was like, well,
[56:10] Speaker 1: that's weird. And it was black, and normally you think, well,
[56:13] Speaker 1: it looks like something that's you know, I don't know,
[56:17] Speaker 1: I say it, but it just it looked like something
[56:21] Speaker 1: that didn't belong and I kind of been over and
[56:26] Speaker 1: I immediately just sort of knew it was a gift.
[56:29] Speaker 1: I can't explain it any other way. I didn't know
[56:32] Speaker 1: what it was at first, but I knew it was
[56:34] Speaker 1: for me. And I had just gifted those guys that food,
[56:42] Speaker 1: so it was this a gift in return. I bent down,
[56:46] Speaker 1: I picked it up, and sure enough, it was this
[56:49] Speaker 1: black crystal. It was the weirdest black rock you've ever seen.
[56:55] Speaker 1: It looks like a large black thumb tip, is the
[56:59] Speaker 1: only way that I can discribe it. And I had
[57:02] Speaker 1: no idea what this was. I was like, I've never
[57:04] Speaker 1: seen a rock like this, and I should know because
[57:07] Speaker 1: I'm meant a raki and I'm into crystals and things
[57:09] Speaker 1: like that. I have. I have a ton of crystals.
[57:10] Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they knew, they knew what to
[57:13] Speaker 1: give me the perfect gift, and so I had this crystal.
[57:17] Speaker 1: And it was kind of a mystery at first, and
[57:19] Speaker 1: I was asking around and I went to I think
[57:22] Speaker 1: I went to a rock shop in Tulsa and they
[57:25] Speaker 1: told me take it to the Mineral Society said, they'll
[57:28] Speaker 1: know what it is. And I have this friend who's
[57:31] Speaker 1: he's incredible, incredibly smart guy. His name is Brian, and
[57:37] Speaker 1: he has a channel called Montaka is Strange and shout out.
[57:41] Speaker 1: Brian's a great guy. He's so smart. And I showed
[57:45] Speaker 1: it to him or sent him a picture, and he
[57:47] Speaker 1: knew what it was immediately. He said, that looks like
[57:49] Speaker 1: the salt. And I looked it up and sure enough.
[57:54] Speaker 1: The only basalt in Oklahoma is in the Panhandle for
[57:59] Speaker 1: her miles away from Tulsa, four hundred miles away from
[58:03] Speaker 1: where I found this rock is where this came from.
[58:07] Speaker 1: And it's volcanic, and out in the western part of
[58:11] Speaker 1: Oklahoma and New Mexico, there are volcanoes out there and
[58:15] Speaker 1: there's all this basalt. The only basalt that is in
[58:18] Speaker 1: Oklahoma comes from Black Mesa. And I never got a
[58:22] Speaker 1: chance to go out there, but I heard all these
[58:23] Speaker 1: stories about Black Mesa and there's a bigfoot of Black Mesa.
[58:28] Speaker 1: It's just all kinds of stories. People go out there
[58:30] Speaker 1: to look at the sky at night and that are
[58:32] Speaker 1: in the summer. They go up there to SkyWatch, but
[58:34] Speaker 1: there's nothing out there for miles and miles and miles.
[58:36] Speaker 1: You have to pack everything in. You have to pack
[58:38] Speaker 1: all your food, all your water, everything for the time
[58:42] Speaker 1: that you're out there, because there's just nothing around for miles.
[58:45] Speaker 1: But it's the best place to SkyWatch. And if you
[58:47] Speaker 1: ever look you want to see a cool place, look
[58:49] Speaker 1: up Black Mesa. So I found that this crystal that
[58:54] Speaker 1: they gave me, that the Sasquatch people gave me, came
[58:59] Speaker 1: from four hundred miles away, and that blew my mind,
[59:03] Speaker 1: and ever since then, I've kept the crystal with me.
[59:08] Speaker 1: So I would like to think my experiences didn't always
[59:12] Speaker 1: start out as this kind, gentle and benevolent. It's definitely
[59:19] Speaker 1: been a learning experience. And my friend Mike likes to
[59:22] Speaker 1: say Sasquatch school, and a lot of ways, I feel
[59:25] Speaker 1: like that's what it is. I feel like it's a lesson.
[59:29] Speaker 1: Each time you go out there in the woods, it's
[59:31] Speaker 1: always a lesson that you're trying to learn, or you're
[59:34] Speaker 1: trying to learn from them. They don't speak to me
[59:38] Speaker 1: directly in terms of what people think of as mind
[59:41] Speaker 1: speaker or anything like that, but I do feel like
[59:44] Speaker 1: I have this connection to them. I had this dream
[59:48] Speaker 1: one time that winter. It was after they gifted me
[59:52] Speaker 1: the black Crystal. I dreamt that they were had moved
[59:58] Speaker 1: into my yard and they had built these structures like
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: they do, and they were living there in my yard,
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: and it was kind of weird. It was like a
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: kind of a creepy feeling, but kind of like it's
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: hard to describe. It's like a really gentle and loving
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: and protective feeling, but also kind of a feeling that
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: you don't mess with in any way, shape or form ever.
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: But like that feeling was kind of protecting me and
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: protecting my home. And ever since then, I've had this
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: connection to them. I felt connected to them through that dream,
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: and other people have experienced that as well, I think,
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: not necessarily the same dream, but have experienced establishing a
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: connection to them in the form of a dream. And
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: I have to think about that. Like, so, I had
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: all these things happen, and I wanted this opportunity to
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: come talk about it because there was so much that happened,
[1:00:57] Speaker 1: especially in twenty twenty one when it started. But before that,
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: I have to think about what happened in North Carolina
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, and I had just experienced some loss
[1:01:11] Speaker 1: of family at that time. I was still interested in
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: the elementals and energy and reiki. I was just kind
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: of getting into it or on my path. I didn't
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: expect Bigfoot to show up at my front door or
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: my back door for that matter. I had just moved
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: to western North Carolina near Asheville. I was almost in
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: the woods of Candler, North Carolina, about a mile from
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: Mount Pisco on Pisco Highway, and I was staying in
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: this little cabin or cottage. It had a rock foundation
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: that was handmade, and hand hewn woods, siding and pan
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: It was so old. It was built in the thirties
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: and when the wind would blow through, you'd feel the
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: wind coming through the walls. In the winter it was
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: so cold. But before that happened, we had just moved in.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: It was October of twenty fourteen. We had just been
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: getting settled in and had not lived there long. And
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: the weirdest thing happened. We started having this phantom odor
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: come and go, and especially in the front part of
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: the house, and it was always We didn't spend a
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: lot of time in that part of the house either.
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: We were usually in the back and there was a
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: living room and then a bedroom and a bathroom off
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: that living room in the front part of the house,
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: and then it had like a porch, not a huge porch,
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: but a covered porch with steps, And it was like,
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: if you got near the kitchen, you're walking into the
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: kitchen towards that room or into the living room. It
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: was like this wall of funk would hit you. The
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: only way I can describe it, it was the strongest
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: smell of musk and urine. I couldn't figure out where
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: it was coming from. And I can't remember if it
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: was the first time or the second time. This happened
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: about three times, but I know after the second time
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: that I went, I started looking for what creature could
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: have possibly made the stench in the front part of
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: the house, and I opened the front door and I
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: was looking around. I went out there with a flashlight,
[1:03:41] Speaker 1: just looking all around the porch, convinced that some kind
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: of like either a feral cat or something, some kind
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: of skunk or something had sprayed the front part of
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: the house. And I don't know why I thought it was.
[1:03:55] Speaker 1: It had to have been outside, because you know, again
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: I had no frame of reference for this kind of thing.
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: The weird thing was when I go outside, I don't
[1:04:05] Speaker 1: smell it. I smell fresh air, and I come back
[1:04:09] Speaker 1: inside and you can smell it. It's in the house,
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: it's in the living room. And this odor would just
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: come and hang out. It would linger for like thirty
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: minutes or so, and then as weird as it would come,
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: it would just dissipate, it would be gone. I later
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: called it a phantom otor, but at the time, I'd
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: never heard of a phantom otor. I don't know if
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: there's if that's even a thing, but that's what I
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: call it. That's a word, for all I know, I
[1:04:42] Speaker 1: made up, but that's what it was. It was a
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: phantom otor that would come and go. So about a
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: week or ten days after that, again, I think this
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: was about the course out of the course of about
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: three weeks or so in October that it was just
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: completely weirded out. And it happened again, just like before.
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: It was this odor, this wall of funk in the
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: front part of the house. And like I said, the
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: second time I went out, I was looking around. I
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: didn't see anything. And then it happened again. And I
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: remember the third time. I don't think it stick around.
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: It stayed around long. Whatever it was, it just seemed
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: to kind of come and go. It's like, oh, there's
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: that smell again, and then it seemed to go. The
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: next thing that happened after that, we only had one
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: car at the time, and I was married at the time,
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: and had gone out to pick my wife up from
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: work in the afternoon, and we had come home. It
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: was probably about four or five o'clock in the afternoon,
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: still kind of early, still sort of daylight out, like
[1:05:53] Speaker 1: it hadn't gotten dark yet, and I had noticed that
[1:05:58] Speaker 1: there's pine needles all over the back porch. Now the
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: back porch we would park. The driveway was beside the
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: back porch, so we would park in the back and
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: go in and out the back door. Typically we didn't
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: go in and out the front door. But when I
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: saw the pine needles, I thought, well, that's odd. And
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: I didn't put two and two together, Like, I just
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: didn't none of this like clicked for me. It was
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: just kind of like one of those things, Well that's annoying,
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: it's like, but it's one of those things that sticks
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: in your brain that you kind of remember. It's like, well,
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: why are all these pine needles all over the back porch?
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: And it's a covered porch, and there was a pine
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: tree nearby, but not to where they would have just
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: have fallen under it. And so I'm thinking, well, do
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: they blow onto the back porch. But it didn't look like,
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: you know, we'd had heavy wind and everything. It didn't
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: look like anybody had been out there doing landscaping. And
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: the only person that would have done landscaping. And I
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: don't even know why my brain thought this, but this
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: is just you try and look for rash all answers
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: or explanations to things when you don't understand them. And
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: for some reason, I was thinking landscapers are mystery landscapers,
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: Like we must have some mystery landscapers out there throwing
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: pine needles around. And I didn't see any other pine needles.
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: I'm like, they're just on the back porch. And I
[1:07:16] Speaker 1: just I was like, okay, we'll just forget it. So
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: I swept them off, forgot about it, right, you know,
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: in the midst of these other the phantom odor coming
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: in going. So another few days later had passed or
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: a week later, and it happens again. I come home,
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: it's afternoon, it's still daylight. There's pine needles all over
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: the back porch, and I'm thinking, who in the heck
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: keeps leaving these darn pine needles all over the back porch.
[1:07:47] Speaker 1: I have to sweep them up, and it kind of
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: ticked me off, so I'm out there just sweeping them up. Finally,
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: the last thing that happened, I was gifted a small
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: animal skull. And at the time that this happened, let
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: me back up. We were going out that morning and
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: it opened the back door and there's a small, little
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: animal skull and I don't know what it was, maybe
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: some kind of rodent. It wasn't very big, but it
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: wasn't like a mouse. It was bigger than that, you know,
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: maybe three inches long. And the way they it was positioned,
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: it was facing the back door, so that when I
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: opened the back door, it's like it's looking at me,
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: but it's sitting on the step, or not the step,
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: but the platform right before the step there was one
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: step down, so somebody put it there where I would
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: have seen it and where it was looking at the
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: back door. And you know, my wife was with me
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: at the time. We both were kind of weirded doubt
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: about it. For whatever reason, I don't know why. I
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: think it was all of these things. I think it
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: was a combination of these things. They were just like,
[1:09:05] Speaker 1: something weird is going on and we don't quite know
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: what it is. And even being like into the metaphysical
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: and reiki master teachers and not having a frame of reference,
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: I had no idea that this was anything weird or
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: like paranormal. I mean, it was definitely weird, but like
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: it never occurred to me that it would be sasquatch
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: or bigfoot related, and we were creeped out about it,
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: and I mentioned it. Probably shouldn't have mentioned it to
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: my landlord, but I did mention it to my landlord,
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, it's just kind of weird.
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: All an animal probably left it. I'm like, you really
[1:09:39] Speaker 1: think an animal just kind of set it on the
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: step like that the way it's looking at the back door,
[1:09:44] Speaker 1: so that you clearly see that there's an animal school
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: looking at you as you go out the back door.
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: And maybe this is me. Maybe it's just the way
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: I perceive things, But that was not my thought either,
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: was that an animal just happened to drop it or
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: leave it. But I tried to just be like okay,
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: so I wrote it off in my mind and I
[1:10:02] Speaker 1: just let it go and I forgot about it. I
[1:10:05] Speaker 1: blocked it out. I forgot all of this. But that's
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: not even half of it. So let's go back to
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: what I said at the beginning, don't go looking for Bigfoot.
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: He'll find you. At that time in twenty fourteen, when
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: we had just moved in to that cabin, that was
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: the first time I started looking up YouTube videos of
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: Bigfoot and got interested in it again. And I didn't
[1:10:35] Speaker 1: expect him to show up at my door. And there
[1:10:41] Speaker 1: was one video that I was watching by a very
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: well known but very controversial bigfoot investigator, and I won't
[1:10:53] Speaker 1: say his name, but I was watching a video of
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: his and what I saw, because I was interested in ructures,
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: were trees that looked like they had been bent or
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: broken in half at right angles and set at right
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: angles so that they were all pointing the same way.
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: And he was saying that this was a structure. Well,
[1:11:15] Speaker 1: later that spring, after all of this stuff happened, and
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: we went through the winter, it was a pretty mild winter.
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: We only had a little bit of snow. I had
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: been wanting to go up the top of Mount Pisca.
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: I had been wanting to drive up there. It's a
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: very steep drive. It's just nothing but switchbacks. It's one
[1:11:36] Speaker 1: of the most famous drives out there, especially for a
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: motorcycle enthusiasts. There's a lot of motorcycle enthusiasts that go
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: up that way to the Blue Ridge Parkway. So when
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: you go up Pisca Highway and you go up Mount Pisca,
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: when you get to the top, it teas at the
[1:11:54] Speaker 1: Blue Ridge Parkway. And so I'd been wanting to go
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: up there so and I was just waiting for it
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: to open after the winter in the spring when they
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: opened the gates or the roads back up. And so
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: I drove up there one day and got almost to
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: the top, and I was coming up on my left
[1:12:17] Speaker 1: hand side, I saw the same structure that I had
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: seen that previous fall in the video, where it looked
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: like trees had been bent and broken and set at
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: right angles, and they were all perfectly set the same
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: way and about the same height. Looked like a stand
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: of at least about seven of them on my left
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: hand side of the road, and they were pointing down
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: the mountain, down the valley below, down Pisca Highway and
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: Hominy Creek and I glanced across the other side of
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: the road where it drops off the side of the mountain,
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: and there was a standard tree there that were bent
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: the same way, so it looked like, I don't know,
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: something broke them and crossed the road, but I could
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: not figure out how that would have happened. And I've
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: never seen trees like that since then. But when I
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: saw that, it just stuck in my mind as hey,
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: maybe there's you know, maybe they're up there. Maybe that
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: was a sasquat structure, And so that was kind of
[1:13:28] Speaker 1: one of the first things before I connected this other
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: thing that was happening at the same time with Bigfoot.
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: That intrigued my interest enough that it got me interested
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: in looking for sasquat structures and elementals when I went out.
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: And the other thing that I saw when I was
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: up there, once I got up to the right before
[1:13:51] Speaker 1: the parkway was it looked like a tree had fallen down,
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: and that's probably why they were late in opening the
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: road to the parkway, was because they had a block
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: tree down there. So I was kind of wondered about
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: that as well. You hear about things like that, but
[1:14:05] Speaker 1: I never connected that time. In twenty fourteen to any
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: kind of bigfoot or sasquatch behavior until twenty eighteen when
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: I started listening to Strange Familiars podcast and I realized
[1:14:20] Speaker 1: that the gifting of an animal skull was bigfoot behavior
[1:14:25] Speaker 1: and I connected that and then it just kind of
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: blew my mind. It just opened up all these doors,
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: I think for me. And the other thing about that
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: was also I learned that the pine needles was another
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: thing that they do, and they probably did that to
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: get my attention. It was almost like, Hey, I'm leaving
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: these pine needles here on your backstep. Pay attention. Hey,
[1:14:53] Speaker 1: I'm leaving these pine needles here. Pay attention. Hey, I'm
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: leaving this animal skull here. Did you pay attention? And
[1:15:02] Speaker 1: like I said, I was creeped out at the time
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: and tossed the animal skull. But when I realized that
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: it was a gift from a bigfoot, I was I
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: felt terrible. I felt so awful about it. I just
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: felt like, oh, please, please, you know, come back, come back.
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: I want your gifts. I want your gifts, I want
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: what you have to offer. I want you to teach me.
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: I want to have this connection with you. And so
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: I think I've kind of been working towards that since then.
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: The weird thing about all of that, it was almost
[1:15:29] Speaker 1: like the first experience in twenty fourteen was so weird
[1:15:33] Speaker 1: that I had no frame of reference. It was almost
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: like when it happened again in Start in twenty twenty one.
[1:15:40] Speaker 1: It was different. The nature of it was different. It
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: had changed to where it was more gentler, and it
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: was it was not something that I did not have
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: a frame of reference for. I had an understanding of
[1:15:50] Speaker 1: it then, But also it was never anything more than
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: I could handle at any one time, if that makes sense.
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: And I realized that wasn't the only time that I
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: had had something possibly Bigfoot related in my life in
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: North Carolina growing up as a kid. I was six
[1:16:11] Speaker 1: years old in the mountains of West Jefferson, and it
[1:16:14] Speaker 1: was a weird little town, a weird time in the seventies.
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I remember that. But we
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: had just gotten a new mobile home and put it
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: on this land. Now there was already a building, there
[1:16:27] Speaker 1: were buildings, and there was a small separate apartment building
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: already on this land, so that was established, and there
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: was a kind of on the hillside. But there was
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: a big field up above where this was that they
[1:16:41] Speaker 1: would go hunting or ride dirt bikes and things like that.
[1:16:43] Speaker 1: On We put a mobile home on this land and
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: it hadn't been there like a week or two, and
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: started having rocks thrown at it at night, and my
[1:16:53] Speaker 1: mother and I were creeped out, her especially. It's one
[1:16:59] Speaker 1: of those things that you know, ever forget and you
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: always wonder about for all of your life. And when
[1:17:06] Speaker 1: I heard that the rock throwing was a big Foot
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: behavior at the same time, it just all of these
[1:17:14] Speaker 1: things just clicked for me, and I was like, Oh,
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: that's it. I've been having these experiences since I was
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: a kid, basically throughout my life that I was, you know,
[1:17:25] Speaker 1: sort ofant meant to have these experiences with them. So
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: the other thing that's happened that was really blowing my
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: mind since moving to Michigan. It was two summers ago
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: after I first moved here. I was in the woods
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: near a Ministy National Forest and it was in a
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: nature preserve and it was a long trail about three
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: miles long, and I was hiking through. It's just nothing
[1:17:53] Speaker 1: but woods, that's the only way I can describe it,
[1:17:55] Speaker 1: and just hiking and I remember that I started hearing ravens.
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: At the time, I wasn't sure if they were crows
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: or ravens. I've since learned and isolated that they are ravens,
[1:18:07] Speaker 1: and I know the difference now between crows and ravens.
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: But a lot of my experience here in Michigan has
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: been hearing these calls, whether it's alcohols or ravens, And
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: sometimes I think the birds will start up, But also
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: I think the sasquatch can make bird calls as well.
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: They'll make crow calls, They'll make all kinds of calls,
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: they can mimic anything. I've heard them make the most beautiful,
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: just one off bird calls of birds that you don't
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: ever hear, like a whipper will, Like there's no whipper
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: will in the trees at night, but you'll just hear
[1:18:43] Speaker 1: a whipper will call, and I think, oh, that's them.
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: So I started hearing these ravens squawking all around, and
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: I was videoing and just kind of walking along the trail,
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: and off to my right, something catches my eye and
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: I'm hearing this commotion. I'm hearing what sounds like branches breaking,
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: stick snapping, and these crowcalls all around, and it sounds
[1:19:14] Speaker 1: like something rustling, kind of off in a distance from
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: me and the bushes or something. And I'm trying to
[1:19:20] Speaker 1: look off to my right, and I'm still videoing or
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: filming straight ahead, but I'm kind of looking through the
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: trees off to my right, trying to figure out what's
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: going on. And then I see and I'm thinking. I'm
[1:19:34] Speaker 1: thinking that because I'm hearing this raven, that there must
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: be a bird or a raven stuck in a tree
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: or something. It's making a racket. There's something wrong with it.
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: So I'm looking and I'm trying to look to see
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: for this bird or whatever it is it's making this racket.
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: And I see a sapling and I don't know how
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: tall this was, but it was probably six to eight
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: feet tall. It was not a huge tree. It was
[1:19:58] Speaker 1: a small, skinny tree, but it was still when I
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: got up closer, it was taller than I thought. It
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: was just guessing at how tall the height was. It
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: was probably six seven feet and it looked like the
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: top of it was bending back. And when I saw that,
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: I didn't see anything bending it. I didn't see anything
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: making a tree bend. But I'm hearing stuff go off
[1:20:22] Speaker 1: all around me. I'm hearing things and I'm seeing things
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: that I can't explain. And this was just a matter
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: of seconds. But I have a camera in my hands recording.
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: I didn't think, oh, I got to record this. No,
[1:20:36] Speaker 1: I didn't. The only thing I could think is what
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: is bending that tree? And I see it bending, and
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: I'm hearing this, and it sounds like a four hundred
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: pound raven, an invisible four hundred pound raven is stomping
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: off on two feet through the bushes, breaking sticks as
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: it go and squawking, making raven calls. That's the only
[1:21:03] Speaker 1: way I can describe it. And I could hear it
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: sounded like it was something else off in the distance.
[1:21:08] Speaker 1: Now I don't know if it was the same thing
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: or not, but and I know that they can move
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: incredibly fast, faster than you would think, and so fast
[1:21:15] Speaker 1: that you can't see them. But something took off through
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: the bushes. It beat a path through there, just making
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: a racket. And it was not a raven. It was
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: definitely not flying. It was on the ground. And I
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: have no idea. I can't say that it was a
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: big photo of sasquatch, but based on everything else, I've experienced.
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: It's it had to have been or it was some
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: kind of cryptid like that, some kind of cryptid creature.
[1:21:42] Speaker 1: So that's my experiences in Oklahoma and Michigan and North Carolina. Vic,
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: I'd like to thank you for giving me this opportunity
[1:21:50] Speaker 1: to share them with your audience. Thanks so much.
[1:22:01] Speaker 2: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
[1:22:04] Speaker 2: Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
[1:22:08] Speaker 2: like to be a guest on the show, please go
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[1:22:14] Speaker 2: love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a
[1:22:18] Speaker 2: great night.

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