# It’s Right Behind You! - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 505

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 17 Oct 2025, 1 h 11 min.

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Dusty Ruth is the leader of BFRO expeditions in Ohio. He’s also an investigator for the Northern Kentucky Bigfoot Research Group. As you can imagine, Dusty has spent untold hours in the field, on Sasquatch investigations. Of all the experiences he’s had, in the field, the 3 sightings he’s had are, understandably, the most memorable ones. Dusty had his first sighting in 2019, while he was on an outing with the BFRO, in Ohio. That sighting was the first of two sightings he’s had through a thermal vision device, at night. After he had those two sightings, he had a daytime sighting. When he had that daytime sighting, he saw the Sasquatch without the help of any technology. He saw it with his unaided eyes. We hope you’ll tune into tonight’s show and listen to Dusty share the details behind all 3 of those sightings he’s had. If you’d like to report a Sasquatch sighting you had in Ohio or Northern Kentucky to Dusty or go out on an expedition with him, please send Dusty an email at DustyRuth1@gMail.com If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

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[0:14] Speaker 2: Hi there, my name is Dusty Ruth and I am
[0:18] Speaker 2: the leader of the BFRO Expeditions in Ohio. I have
[0:23] Speaker 2: been in the big footing for a number of years now.
[0:26] Speaker 2: I was looking for a hobby. I'd just gone through
[0:31] Speaker 2: a divorce and so I had extra time on my hands,
[0:35] Speaker 2: and I was kind of looking for a hobby that
[0:38] Speaker 2: I could do both while still being employed and after
[0:43] Speaker 2: I retired. Well, for twenty five years I had been
[0:48] Speaker 2: an investigator, and during that time I had to be
[0:53] Speaker 2: certified by the state and also had to receive a
[0:57] Speaker 2: number of hours in training for the job I was in,
[1:03] Speaker 2: and so I always signed up for the most interesting
[1:09] Speaker 2: training that I could that pertained to investigations, and so
[1:16] Speaker 2: I was able to get a lot of great training
[1:20] Speaker 2: concerning both interviewing and doing investigations. So I had always
[1:27] Speaker 2: been interested in bigfoot encryptids in general, and so I
[1:33] Speaker 2: had contacted a group who said that they were looking
[1:37] Speaker 2: for another investigator, particularly in the area that I lived,
[1:42] Speaker 2: which is southern Ohio, and so I contacted the head
[1:46] Speaker 2: of that organization and he wanted to speak to me
[1:50] Speaker 2: in person. So we arranged the time to meet and
[1:53] Speaker 2: I went and spoke or met with him and his wife.
[1:56] Speaker 2: That was a group at the time, it was called
[1:59] Speaker 2: a or American Primate Expeditions or Exploration or something like that. Anyway,
[2:08] Speaker 2: after being with them for a while, the group kind
[2:11] Speaker 2: of folded because of some health problems of Dan Baker,
[2:16] Speaker 2: who was the head of the group, and so he
[2:20] Speaker 2: archived all the information that was on Facebook. And as
[2:25] Speaker 2: soon as that happened, then I was contacted by the
[2:29] Speaker 2: BFRO and asked if I would like to be an
[2:33] Speaker 2: investigator for them. So I readily took them up on
[2:37] Speaker 2: that because of needing someone to go out and go
[2:43] Speaker 2: squatching with, you know, in the forest and things like that,
[2:46] Speaker 2: so I took them up on that opportunity. It was
[2:52] Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen that I had my first sighting, and
[2:59] Speaker 2: that was an actual expedition that the BFRO was doing.
[3:04] Speaker 2: I was a team leader of night ops. You know,
[3:07] Speaker 2: we split up into groups sometimes five seven or so
[3:12] Speaker 2: people and they're all led by a BFRO investigator well,
[3:17] Speaker 2: I was the leader of this particular group and we
[3:21] Speaker 2: were in a heavily forested area in southern Ohio and
[3:28] Speaker 2: one of the things that I do, i'd actually gotten
[3:31] Speaker 2: this idea from Robert Morgan, who was heavily involved with investigations,
[3:37] Speaker 2: especially in Ohio back in the day, and that was
[3:42] Speaker 2: when you go out to kind of sit in a
[3:44] Speaker 2: circle so that you're facing someone straight across from you,
[3:49] Speaker 2: and then what you do is you're sitting there, you
[3:52] Speaker 2: can talk, you know, in kind of low voices and stuff,
[3:55] Speaker 2: and while looking at the person across from you, and
[3:58] Speaker 2: it appears that you're sitting there talking to each other,
[4:03] Speaker 2: but actually what you're doing is you're looking over the
[4:05] Speaker 2: shoulders and past that person and basically watching their back
[4:10] Speaker 2: and while they're doing the same for you, and the
[4:13] Speaker 2: same way all around that circle. So that's what we
[4:17] Speaker 2: were doing. And there was seven members in the group
[4:23] Speaker 2: at that time, and one of the youngest people it
[4:26] Speaker 2: was their first expedition, and they started hollering that something
[4:32] Speaker 2: was throwing acorns or actually it was acorns and small
[4:37] Speaker 2: walnuts adam, and they had been hit. So this went
[4:43] Speaker 2: on for a little while off and on, and then
[4:46] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he yeld out that he saw
[4:49] Speaker 2: one and he was looking through a thermal, and so
[4:53] Speaker 2: I asked him. You know, I cautioned to everyone just
[4:57] Speaker 2: be quiet, be calm, you know, don't to do anything
[5:01] Speaker 2: to frighten Nick, because I wanted everybody in the group
[5:04] Speaker 2: to possibly have a chance to see it, so I said,
[5:08] Speaker 2: So I asked him, I said, where's that at and
[5:12] Speaker 2: he said it's right behind you, and I thought, oh great.
[5:16] Speaker 2: You know, because I had never seen one before. He
[5:19] Speaker 2: didn't happen to say how far it was behind me,
[5:22] Speaker 2: and so I didn't know whether it was four feet
[5:25] Speaker 2: behind me or whether it was twenty or thirty yards
[5:28] Speaker 2: behind me. So I just again told everyone, I said,
[5:32] Speaker 2: just stay calm, and I said, one at a time,
[5:35] Speaker 2: I said, everybody, take an opportunity to look back behind me.
[5:40] Speaker 2: I think there was probably about four or five thermals
[5:44] Speaker 2: in the group of seven people at the time, and
[5:46] Speaker 2: so everybody did, and then pretty much everybody was saying, oh,
[5:51] Speaker 2: I see it, I see it too well. I finally,
[5:54] Speaker 2: I calmly got up and walked to the other side
[5:57] Speaker 2: of the circle, and I started looking, and no matter
[6:01] Speaker 2: what I tried, I couldn't see anything. And so then
[6:05] Speaker 2: I kept thinking, well, you know, maybe these guys are
[6:08] Speaker 2: playing a trick or a joke on me, and there's
[6:10] Speaker 2: really nothing there. And so I'd go back and sit down.
[6:14] Speaker 2: And this kept going on for a while. I see it,
[6:17] Speaker 2: you know, a different one in the group. Oh, I
[6:19] Speaker 2: see it, And so I thought, yeah, sure, you know,
[6:22] Speaker 2: and I probably got up, I don't know, maybe at
[6:25] Speaker 2: least three times and walked across the circle and took
[6:29] Speaker 2: a look and never could see anything. And so I,
[6:32] Speaker 2: you know, I went back and sat down again. And
[6:35] Speaker 2: then so finally about the fourth time or so, I
[6:38] Speaker 2: got up and I walked across, you know, not excited
[6:42] Speaker 2: or anything. I didn't run, didn't do anything to try
[6:45] Speaker 2: to scare the individual off. And I'd already told everybody
[6:51] Speaker 2: ahead time, you know, don't point at it or anything.
[6:55] Speaker 2: If we see something, you know, use clock directions. And
[6:59] Speaker 2: so I had walked across the circle, and I started
[7:03] Speaker 2: looking with my thermal again, and lo and behold, I
[7:06] Speaker 2: did see it. And so I watched for a period
[7:10] Speaker 2: of time. It appeared to be standing up, looking around,
[7:17] Speaker 2: be peeking from behind a tree, and then it would
[7:20] Speaker 2: drop down low to the ground and continue peeking from
[7:25] Speaker 2: behind the tree. I never did see it come out
[7:29] Speaker 2: from behind the tree where I could see it full
[7:31] Speaker 2: body or anything. Just that I could see the head,
[7:34] Speaker 2: the arms, and the hands where it was like holding
[7:38] Speaker 2: onto the tree and reaching around the tree. And then
[7:42] Speaker 2: you know, I could see that the ears were on
[7:46] Speaker 2: the side of the head. They were not on top
[7:48] Speaker 2: of the head like a bear. They were on the
[7:50] Speaker 2: side of the head. I could see the eyes, and
[7:53] Speaker 2: of course, because I'm looking through a thermal, I can't,
[7:56] Speaker 2: you know, begin to see what color it is or
[7:59] Speaker 2: anything like that. And it was hard to with when
[8:03] Speaker 2: you're looking for a thermal. It's hard to tell exactly
[8:06] Speaker 2: how far away something is and how tall it may
[8:11] Speaker 2: be because it's smaller when you look to a thermal,
[8:15] Speaker 2: and it can appear to be farther away than what
[8:19] Speaker 2: it actually is. So anyway, five of the members of
[8:25] Speaker 2: the group ended up seeing it. Out of the seven
[8:28] Speaker 2: people that was in the group, those in the group
[8:32] Speaker 2: that saw it, there was besides me, there was my
[8:36] Speaker 2: youngest son, Wes. There was also John Darazovich, there was
[8:41] Speaker 2: Lori Russell, there was of the ones that saw it,
[8:46] Speaker 2: there was Wyatt ar Mint Chad ar Mint was in
[8:50] Speaker 2: the group but didn't see it. Ben his brother, did
[8:54] Speaker 2: see it. And Ben was the father of Wyatt see
[9:00] Speaker 2: two three, and so that might have been it anyway.
[9:06] Speaker 2: H those were the members of the group and the
[9:09] Speaker 2: ones that saw it. And so when we got ready
[9:14] Speaker 2: to leave, you know, this thing kept throwing h you know,
[9:18] Speaker 2: small walnuts and acorns at us for a while, was
[9:22] Speaker 2: just messing with us. Wasn't throwing anything large, wasn't throwing
[9:26] Speaker 2: anything particularly hard, you know, just hard enough to kind
[9:30] Speaker 2: of get it from where it was at to hit
[9:33] Speaker 2: us and mess with us. Then as we got up
[9:37] Speaker 2: to gather our stuff and finally leave after we'd been
[9:41] Speaker 2: there for a while, we stayed for a while, you know,
[9:43] Speaker 2: probably an hour and a half or something after that.
[9:47] Speaker 2: And then finally when we got up to go it through.
[9:53] Speaker 2: I don't want to say it larger. It wasn't a
[9:55] Speaker 2: large rock too. It was rock probably two to three
[10:01] Speaker 2: inches across and about about the same size, you know,
[10:05] Speaker 2: if he was going from with the heth and I
[10:09] Speaker 2: had been driving Kabwasaki mule up there, and it threw it.
[10:16] Speaker 2: The top was off the mule and it threw it,
[10:19] Speaker 2: and it landed right in the kawasaki and rattled around
[10:23] Speaker 2: in there, so it was quite loud. It actually actually
[10:27] Speaker 2: sounded like somebody was carrying an armload of boards that
[10:31] Speaker 2: was stacked and they just dropped them. That's kind of
[10:35] Speaker 2: what the similar sound to that, And so it took
[10:39] Speaker 2: us a little while to figure out what had made
[10:42] Speaker 2: that noise. But through some experimentation and stuff with taking
[10:48] Speaker 2: rocks the similar size, throwing the men's side beside that
[10:53] Speaker 2: was similar to the kawasaki, we were able to determine
[10:57] Speaker 2: that's what it was. And so anyway, we rode back
[11:01] Speaker 2: to our base camp where it was all excited, telling
[11:04] Speaker 2: our story and everything. Well, the next day we went
[11:08] Speaker 2: up back up there, several members of the BFRO went
[11:13] Speaker 2: we started doing an investigation during the sunlight hours. We
[11:19] Speaker 2: majored with a rangefinder from where I was sitting to
[11:24] Speaker 2: the tree where it was standing behind. It was about
[11:29] Speaker 2: it was twenty nine yards, maybe just a touch longer,
[11:34] Speaker 2: but about twenty nine yards for me was where the
[11:38] Speaker 2: tree was at. We were able to find several footprints
[11:43] Speaker 2: their tracks, and so we cast those and took them back.
[11:47] Speaker 2: I think there was total seven tracks that we were
[11:51] Speaker 2: able to cast didn't find any hair or anything like that,
[11:57] Speaker 2: but we did have the tracks in the cast as evidence.
[12:01] Speaker 2: We also were able to record Wyatt was actually the
[12:06] Speaker 2: one that did it. He recorded on his thermal that
[12:10] Speaker 2: he was looking through this thing, peeking from behind the
[12:14] Speaker 2: tree at us. And so anyway, we were happy that
[12:18] Speaker 2: we had that, and we had had the cast that
[12:21] Speaker 2: we had tried cast and so forth. So that was
[12:25] Speaker 2: the first get the sighting that I had was through
[12:30] Speaker 2: that thermal, and then the next one would have been
[12:36] Speaker 2: shortly thereafter. I'm also besides being with the BFRO, I
[12:40] Speaker 2: belonged to another group that's led by Tom Shay out
[12:45] Speaker 2: of Kentucky, and it's called the Northern Kentucky Bigfoot Research Group. Well,
[12:49] Speaker 2: I was with that group a little while later, same summer,
[12:54] Speaker 2: and we go out and we kind of set up
[12:59] Speaker 2: we don't really care camp intents. We set up some
[13:02] Speaker 2: campies and we'll just stay up all night and set
[13:05] Speaker 2: out in a lot of times gravity recliner chairs and
[13:09] Speaker 2: we'll set in those and just kind of watch and listen,
[13:13] Speaker 2: and once in a while people will take their chair
[13:16] Speaker 2: and go over sit around the campfire and talk and
[13:19] Speaker 2: chat over there. Well, on this particular night, my chair
[13:25] Speaker 2: was sitting up at the edge of base camp and
[13:29] Speaker 2: I was kind of keeping watch at that time while
[13:32] Speaker 2: some were asleep, some were over sitting around the campfire talking.
[13:38] Speaker 2: Tom happened to be with that group over at the
[13:41] Speaker 2: at the campfire. So I was setting up and watch
[13:45] Speaker 2: and setting watching in my chair, and it started to
[13:49] Speaker 2: get a little cool, so I thought, well, I'll grab
[13:52] Speaker 2: my sleeping bag and just use it kind of like
[13:56] Speaker 2: a quiller or blanket and throw it over top of myself.
[14:00] Speaker 2: But I was afraid at the same time that if
[14:02] Speaker 2: I did that, I thought I'm going to start getting
[14:05] Speaker 2: warm and then I'm going to get sleepy and fall asleep.
[14:08] Speaker 2: So I didn't want to fall asleep. But I thought, well,
[14:11] Speaker 2: I'll go ahead and I'll cover up with this sleeping bag.
[14:14] Speaker 2: But before I do, I'm going to use my thermal
[14:17] Speaker 2: and I'm going to start scanning the perimeter one more time.
[14:21] Speaker 2: So that's what I did, and I started to my
[14:24] Speaker 2: right as far right as I could turn, and I
[14:28] Speaker 2: started scanning slowly around in like a half circle in
[14:32] Speaker 2: front of me. And when I got around to about
[14:34] Speaker 2: the ten o'clock position, I saw something that was in
[14:38] Speaker 2: the typical shape as most people describe a big foot being.
[14:44] Speaker 2: He was large at the shoulders, he had a appeared
[14:48] Speaker 2: to have a wide chest, a kind of a block
[14:52] Speaker 2: here a colomical shaped head with kind of a point
[14:57] Speaker 2: on top. And I could only see it from a
[15:00] Speaker 2: the chest or midwaist up. So I thought it was
[15:04] Speaker 2: sitting like in a bunch of boushes or weeds and
[15:09] Speaker 2: grass or something like that. But with a thermal, I
[15:12] Speaker 2: couldn't tell, you know, really how big he was or
[15:16] Speaker 2: how far away he was. So I actually scanned past him,
[15:21] Speaker 2: then came back to him again, and I sit there
[15:25] Speaker 2: and I watched for a half hour, and this thing
[15:28] Speaker 2: never moved, and so I began to think, well, you know,
[15:32] Speaker 2: maybe it's my imagination, you know, maybe I'm really not
[15:35] Speaker 2: seeing what I thought I was seeing. And I had
[15:38] Speaker 2: the thermal set on what we call white hot. There
[15:42] Speaker 2: is white hot, there's black hot. There's also a color
[15:45] Speaker 2: palette that you can use. But for me, I tend
[15:51] Speaker 2: to be able to see better heat signature that's being
[15:55] Speaker 2: given off in white hot. It seems to catch my
[15:59] Speaker 2: eye quicker and better than what either black hat does
[16:03] Speaker 2: or the collar palette. So I sit there Anyway, I
[16:07] Speaker 2: was watching for about a half hour and this thing
[16:10] Speaker 2: never moved, didn't move an inch, you know, just perfectly still.
[16:16] Speaker 2: And so I began to think about, this thing is
[16:21] Speaker 2: not what I thought it was, you know, because it
[16:23] Speaker 2: hasn't moved. And so I thought, maybe it's just my imagination,
[16:27] Speaker 2: you know, that I'm wanting to see a big foot,
[16:31] Speaker 2: and maybe my mind is leading me there and it's
[16:35] Speaker 2: not really a bigfoot. So I thought, I've got to
[16:37] Speaker 2: get somebody else, you know, to see this thing to
[16:40] Speaker 2: get verification. So I started hollering at Tom, who again
[16:44] Speaker 2: was sitting over a to campfire, and I said, Tom, Tom,
[16:48] Speaker 2: I said, come here a minute. So Tom come over
[16:51] Speaker 2: and sat down in the chair closest to me, and
[16:54] Speaker 2: he said, what is it? And I said, I said,
[16:56] Speaker 2: it looks like there's a bigfoot out there. At about
[16:59] Speaker 2: my ten o'clock, so Tom got out his night vision
[17:03] Speaker 2: equipment and he started looking. And as he starts scanning
[17:08] Speaker 2: around also he gets to about that final he said, oh,
[17:12] Speaker 2: I see it. Said I see it too, and I said,
[17:15] Speaker 2: weird thing. Tom. I said, I've been watching this thing
[17:17] Speaker 2: for a half hour, and I said it hasn't moved.
[17:21] Speaker 2: I said that hasn't moved at all. Well, right about
[17:24] Speaker 2: the time that I said that, it started moving, kind
[17:27] Speaker 2: of doing the swaying thing back and forth from side
[17:31] Speaker 2: to side, which a lot of people do describe Bigfoot's
[17:35] Speaker 2: doing when they know that they've been seen. Some people
[17:40] Speaker 2: think just conjecture, but some people think that they do
[17:44] Speaker 2: that when they're under stress and they're trying to make
[17:47] Speaker 2: up their mind what they're going to do next. But
[17:50] Speaker 2: you know, of course, we really don't know why they
[17:53] Speaker 2: do that, but they do tend to do that a lot,
[17:56] Speaker 2: and that's what this one started doing. Well, immediately after
[18:00] Speaker 2: he started crawling and he crawled up and crawled behind.
[18:07] Speaker 2: When he started this stuff, then we could see all
[18:10] Speaker 2: loving you know, it wasn't just the top half. So
[18:14] Speaker 2: he crawls up and he gets behind two trees, and
[18:18] Speaker 2: he's hiding behind these trees. Well, then at that point
[18:20] Speaker 2: we couldn't see him any longer, and so we continue watching. Well,
[18:25] Speaker 2: because of all the excitement that was taking place in
[18:29] Speaker 2: us seeing this thing, some other members of our group
[18:33] Speaker 2: happened to hear us talking and they came over to
[18:36] Speaker 2: and that again was John Jiazovich, who again is part
[18:40] Speaker 2: of this group, and there was Ben Taylor and his father,
[18:44] Speaker 2: Rich Taylor, and so there's five of us, and of
[18:47] Speaker 2: course they're grabbing their thermals and night vision and so forth,
[18:51] Speaker 2: and they go to watching. Well, he came out from
[18:54] Speaker 2: behind those two trees, and he crawled up behind two
[18:59] Speaker 2: more trees, and he got behind them and he stayed
[19:03] Speaker 2: behind them for a while. And through all this, you
[19:06] Speaker 2: know it's taking some time because he staying behind these
[19:10] Speaker 2: trees for a little bit of time. And then he
[19:13] Speaker 2: leaves those two trees and he crawls up what appears
[19:17] Speaker 2: to be behind another large tree, which we actually found
[19:21] Speaker 2: out next day wasn't that far from us, and I'll
[19:25] Speaker 2: explain that and the investigation that we did as part
[19:29] Speaker 2: of this sight. So he crawls up behind appears to
[19:33] Speaker 2: crawl up behind this large tree, and we watch and
[19:36] Speaker 2: watch and watch, and it never came out during this
[19:41] Speaker 2: whole time. I had first seen the thing that right
[19:44] Speaker 2: about two o'clock in the morning, and at this point
[19:49] Speaker 2: we lost sight of him behind that tree about three
[19:52] Speaker 2: thirty and then I actually quit watching about four o'clock
[19:58] Speaker 2: because we didn't see him in more So, the next
[20:02] Speaker 2: morning we get up and once it becomes starts becoming daylight.
[20:07] Speaker 2: We go out in the area and we start our investigations,
[20:11] Speaker 2: started looking for tracks, first of all, and I will
[20:15] Speaker 2: say that we didn't never saw any tracks during the
[20:18] Speaker 2: time that this creature was doing all the crime. Here's
[20:22] Speaker 2: the really weird thing about this whole thing was that
[20:26] Speaker 2: he never made a sound. He was perfectly quiet. There
[20:30] Speaker 2: was no rustling of leaves, there was no breaking the sticks,
[20:35] Speaker 2: just complete silence. And that kind of amazed us. How
[20:39] Speaker 2: he was able to move across the grass, the weeds,
[20:43] Speaker 2: the sticks, and so forth and never make any noise whatsoever.
[20:49] Speaker 2: It was just amazing. And so next morning we were
[20:53] Speaker 2: out and we went to the area where I first
[20:56] Speaker 2: saw him and saw why we weren't able to see
[20:59] Speaker 2: the bottom half. There was a dried creek bed there
[21:02] Speaker 2: which had water in spots, but mostly dry, and he
[21:06] Speaker 2: was actually in this dry creek bed and was well,
[21:11] Speaker 2: I don't know whether he was leaning against the bank
[21:15] Speaker 2: or whether he was just standing behind the bank or what,
[21:19] Speaker 2: but this bottom half of the bank or the bank
[21:22] Speaker 2: was covering the bottom half of him. And there was
[21:26] Speaker 2: a rotted trunk of a tree there and he was
[21:32] Speaker 2: behind that also, so that all the bank in the
[21:36] Speaker 2: rotted stump was covering his bottom half, and that's why
[21:41] Speaker 2: we weren't able to see him. Well, we could tell
[21:44] Speaker 2: about where he came up out of the creek bank
[21:48] Speaker 2: and then started crawling through the leaves and stuff. We
[21:53] Speaker 2: were able to determine the trees that he had gotten behind,
[21:56] Speaker 2: the first two trees, then the next two trees, and
[22:00] Speaker 2: then what happened when he came up to that last tree,
[22:03] Speaker 2: and we measured that that ended up being about forty
[22:07] Speaker 2: feet from where I was actually sitting in the gravity
[22:10] Speaker 2: recliner that last tree. And while I think, and this
[22:16] Speaker 2: is supposition on my part, but I think what happened
[22:19] Speaker 2: was there was a branch of that dry creek bed
[22:23] Speaker 2: that ran directly behind that tree, and so I don't
[22:27] Speaker 2: think he ever actually came up behind the tree. I
[22:31] Speaker 2: think he just came up in line with that tree,
[22:36] Speaker 2: got down in that dry creek bed, and then was
[22:39] Speaker 2: able to crawl out of there without us seeing him
[22:42] Speaker 2: or actually knowing which direction he went. And we looked
[22:47] Speaker 2: around that dry creek bed tried to find tracks and
[22:49] Speaker 2: things like that, and we weren't able to find any.
[22:52] Speaker 2: So we really don't know which way he went, whether
[22:55] Speaker 2: he came back the direction from which he came, or
[22:58] Speaker 2: whether he was able to get on around us farther
[23:02] Speaker 2: to my left and get out that way. You could
[23:05] Speaker 2: have went out that way and sat up in there
[23:07] Speaker 2: and watched us from there and without us knowing it,
[23:11] Speaker 2: because we didn't know where he went anymore. And at
[23:14] Speaker 2: this time, our base camp was kind of in a hollow,
[23:19] Speaker 2: and there was a kind of a steep ridge to
[23:23] Speaker 2: I guess it would be the east of us, and
[23:26] Speaker 2: then there was a ridge to the west of us,
[23:29] Speaker 2: and so he could have got up to either one
[23:33] Speaker 2: of those or even in behind us and watched us
[23:37] Speaker 2: and we wouldn't have known it. So anyway, that was
[23:42] Speaker 2: that sighting. We were able to record part of that.
[23:48] Speaker 2: We do have a still photo that we took from that.
[23:53] Speaker 2: You can see in the still photo this individual being
[23:58] Speaker 2: on all fours. Some people describe as like belly crowing
[24:04] Speaker 2: things like that. He wasn't. This one wasn't really. I
[24:09] Speaker 2: wouldn't say it was on his belly although he was low.
[24:13] Speaker 2: Some people talk about kind of a spider crawl. I
[24:16] Speaker 2: wouldn't even call it that. You can see his legs
[24:21] Speaker 2: are kind of splayed out in the back almost like
[24:24] Speaker 2: a frog, you know, and you can see his feet
[24:27] Speaker 2: and actually on his feet, the picture was good enough
[24:31] Speaker 2: that you could actually count the toes and you could
[24:34] Speaker 2: see the little bit of separation in the toes and
[24:38] Speaker 2: the and his hands I would describe the left hand
[24:43] Speaker 2: being out front, was kind of open, just opened palm
[24:48] Speaker 2: on the ground. And you can count his five digits
[24:52] Speaker 2: on his on his hands, four fingers and his thumb,
[24:56] Speaker 2: so you can see it that well. Now, the weird
[24:59] Speaker 2: thing was in the right hand. It wasn't spread out
[25:03] Speaker 2: flat on the ground. It was curled up in a fist.
[25:08] Speaker 2: And this is what's odd because in that fist he
[25:13] Speaker 2: had something in the fist that was pointed on the end.
[25:18] Speaker 2: Now I can't say that it was sharp or anything.
[25:21] Speaker 2: I can say it was pointed. So whether he took
[25:24] Speaker 2: like a stick, whether he took a bone like a
[25:28] Speaker 2: rib bone or something like that and kind of ground
[25:32] Speaker 2: it down to where it was pointed on the end,
[25:35] Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, but I can say that
[25:39] Speaker 2: to his inside was the longest part of this object.
[25:45] Speaker 2: So pointing actually like toward the other hand, that was
[25:49] Speaker 2: the longest part sticking out was on that side. On
[25:53] Speaker 2: the other side, the outer part of him, pointing away
[25:56] Speaker 2: from his other hand was what appeared to be something
[26:00] Speaker 2: sticking out like that. So, in other words, his hand
[26:04] Speaker 2: wasn't at the end of this object. On one side
[26:07] Speaker 2: there was several inches sticking out. On the other side,
[26:11] Speaker 2: there was perhaps one or two inches sticking out, so
[26:16] Speaker 2: looked like in the photo that it possibly even could
[26:19] Speaker 2: have been a knife that he had found somewhere. You know,
[26:24] Speaker 2: just don't know. My guess is that he was probably
[26:28] Speaker 2: using whatever that object was in his hand to dig with,
[26:33] Speaker 2: perhaps dig roots and things of that nature. I think that,
[26:37] Speaker 2: you know, there's been other times that there's been reports
[26:39] Speaker 2: made of them carrying different tools that they would use
[26:44] Speaker 2: to dig with, and so that's perhaps what he was doing. Also,
[26:49] Speaker 2: we just don't know. At no time did this thing
[26:52] Speaker 2: ever throw anything at us. He never appeared to be
[26:56] Speaker 2: aggressive in any way, never number any kind of violence.
[27:02] Speaker 2: As I said, he didn't make any sounds, no vocalizations,
[27:07] Speaker 2: no stick popping, cracking, any anything like that. It was
[27:11] Speaker 2: completely silent. It seemed like he was just interested in
[27:15] Speaker 2: trying to get as close to us as it could.
[27:18] Speaker 2: Whether that was just in an effort to see us
[27:21] Speaker 2: better and see what we were doing, or whether it
[27:24] Speaker 2: was like playing some kind of a game and you know,
[27:29] Speaker 2: playing with another big foot that we didn't see and
[27:32] Speaker 2: was just trying to, you know, on a dare, you know,
[27:35] Speaker 2: try to see if it could get as close to
[27:37] Speaker 2: it as it could. So anyway, that was my second sighting,
[27:44] Speaker 2: both of those first two being with thermals. My third
[27:49] Speaker 2: sighting actually took place a few years later, which would
[27:52] Speaker 2: have been two years ago. I think it was two
[27:56] Speaker 2: years ago this month, we were back at the same locate.
[28:00] Speaker 2: I was with the Northern Kentucky group, only this time
[28:03] Speaker 2: it was during the daytime and we were sitting around
[28:07] Speaker 2: a fire. It wasn't really a cold day. It was
[28:10] Speaker 2: a kind of a warm day, I would say, maybe
[28:15] Speaker 2: high sixties something of that nature, and so we had
[28:20] Speaker 2: a fire going and we were sitting around this fire
[28:22] Speaker 2: again in a circle. We were talking as we were
[28:26] Speaker 2: sitting there. The person sitting across from me was a
[28:30] Speaker 2: lady by the name of jan l who is part
[28:33] Speaker 2: of the group. I was actually talking to her at
[28:37] Speaker 2: the same time looking behind her, and there was other
[28:42] Speaker 2: members of the group I can't remember who all was there.
[28:44] Speaker 2: That day. There was Tom Shay, I think Keith Lofton
[28:48] Speaker 2: might have been there, maybe John Gerizovich. I know Ben
[28:52] Speaker 2: Taylor was there. Rich Taylor was there, and my son
[28:56] Speaker 2: Wes was there. My son had where we're sitting now.
[29:03] Speaker 2: We are still in base camp, but we had moved
[29:06] Speaker 2: our base camp and the owner of the property is
[29:09] Speaker 2: I'm not going to name who that is, but a
[29:12] Speaker 2: real nice guy that lets us use the property whenever
[29:15] Speaker 2: we want to. He knows there's big boots that come
[29:19] Speaker 2: on to his property, and he'd cleared up or cleared
[29:23] Speaker 2: off a spot for us on the ridge that would
[29:27] Speaker 2: have been to kind of our west northwest from where
[29:32] Speaker 2: our base camp had been down in this hollow. So
[29:36] Speaker 2: now we're on top of the ridge, so it gives
[29:40] Speaker 2: us a better vantage point from which to see. Is
[29:44] Speaker 2: a little harder for the bigfoots to get up on
[29:46] Speaker 2: there now and to watch us below them, so it
[29:50] Speaker 2: kind of gave us the advantage being up on there.
[29:53] Speaker 2: So that's where we're sitting. We're sitting around this fire,
[29:57] Speaker 2: and my son had decided he was kind of a
[30:01] Speaker 2: little board at the time. He decides to take off
[30:03] Speaker 2: take a walk, so there is a trail that goes
[30:07] Speaker 2: out of one side of this base camp and it
[30:11] Speaker 2: kind of circles around through the woods and comes back
[30:14] Speaker 2: in the other side. So he had taken out of
[30:17] Speaker 2: the trail that was mostly to our east northeast and
[30:23] Speaker 2: went walking. And as I was sitting there looking behind
[30:29] Speaker 2: Jan and talking, I happened to see if there was
[30:33] Speaker 2: a canopy of trees. And there was an opening in
[30:37] Speaker 2: this canopy of trees, not really large. I can't say
[30:42] Speaker 2: how long the opening was, but in that opening there
[30:48] Speaker 2: are sunlights coming in. There's no trees in the opening.
[30:53] Speaker 2: And I saw this bigfootstep out of the canopy of
[30:56] Speaker 2: trees through that opening and back into a canopy of
[31:00] Speaker 2: trees on the other side. Okay, so I right away
[31:04] Speaker 2: I said something to the group. I said, hey, I
[31:05] Speaker 2: said I just saw bigfoot, And so of course they
[31:08] Speaker 2: all get excited and where you know, and so I
[31:12] Speaker 2: described about where it was at, and so right away
[31:15] Speaker 2: Tom said, he said he looked around the camp to
[31:18] Speaker 2: see who all was there. He said, well, who's missing?
[31:21] Speaker 2: And we determined that the only one missing from base
[31:24] Speaker 2: camp at that time was my son Wes. Wes is
[31:28] Speaker 2: about six foot tall something like that, and he had
[31:33] Speaker 2: left the camp going out of the east side east
[31:38] Speaker 2: to the northeast side. He left the camp going out
[31:43] Speaker 2: that trail that way. So immediately Tom had said, well,
[31:48] Speaker 2: you know which way to go at that point, I said,
[31:50] Speaker 2: he went this way, and he said what was he wearing?
[31:53] Speaker 2: And I couldn't remember. I couldn't remember what he had
[31:56] Speaker 2: on when he had left, because I didn't pay that
[31:59] Speaker 2: much attention to it, actually, And so anyway, Tom jumps
[32:04] Speaker 2: in the side beside that we had it out there
[32:06] Speaker 2: with us, and I think Ben Taylor got in with him,
[32:09] Speaker 2: and they took off down the trail. They went looking
[32:12] Speaker 2: for Wes. Well, they circled around the trail that again
[32:19] Speaker 2: ran in kind of a semi circle around the camp,
[32:22] Speaker 2: out through the woods and back on the other side,
[32:25] Speaker 2: and they found Wes. And if I'm sitting let's say
[32:28] Speaker 2: again at clock positions, and I'm sitting there and facing
[32:38] Speaker 2: like the twelve o'clock position, six o'clocks behind me, I
[32:42] Speaker 2: would say they found Wes that probably maybe about the
[32:47] Speaker 2: nine o'clock position, at nine o'clock maybe ten o'clock position,
[32:53] Speaker 2: and they had brought him back to base camp. Well,
[32:57] Speaker 2: when Wes got back to base camp. We noticed right
[33:00] Speaker 2: away Wes had on a light gray pair of shorts
[33:04] Speaker 2: and a sleeveless light gray t shirt to kind of
[33:08] Speaker 2: match the shorts. So this individual that I had seen
[33:13] Speaker 2: was it was just solid pitch, almost a shiny black collar,
[33:19] Speaker 2: and so there's no way that it was Wes, and
[33:22] Speaker 2: we could tell that right away. And so this thing
[33:27] Speaker 2: that I saw, once it had stepped out from the
[33:30] Speaker 2: canopy of trees and crossed through the open space over
[33:34] Speaker 2: to the other canopy of trees, took off of maybe
[33:37] Speaker 2: about three seconds. And so a lot of people asked me, well,
[33:41] Speaker 2: you know, did you get a photo? And I said, well, no,
[33:44] Speaker 2: there's no way I got a photo. I had my
[33:47] Speaker 2: phone in my pocket. I wear usually wear cargo shorts,
[33:53] Speaker 2: cargo pant long pants, and it was in the bottom
[33:56] Speaker 2: pocket with the flap sealed, and so it took all
[34:01] Speaker 2: of the three seconds for me to actually see this
[34:04] Speaker 2: creature and realize what I was looking at. So I
[34:08] Speaker 2: had no time to your reach down and snap my
[34:12] Speaker 2: the pocket and my pants, get the phone out, get it,
[34:16] Speaker 2: you know, pointed at and get it in view and
[34:19] Speaker 2: hold the phone steady to get a picture. I just well,
[34:23] Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen. So but the net we
[34:25] Speaker 2: did the next best thing we could. Uh. West got
[34:29] Speaker 2: a stick and we tied an orange shirt to the
[34:33] Speaker 2: top of it, and uh he and Jan we each
[34:38] Speaker 2: had walkie talk I had a walkie talking, West had one.
[34:41] Speaker 2: So I got Wes and Jan positioned out where I
[34:46] Speaker 2: actually saw this thing come into the daylight, and uh,
[34:50] Speaker 2: you know till I move up, move back, you know,
[34:52] Speaker 2: a little bit to your right, a little bit to
[34:54] Speaker 2: your left. Got him positioned exactly where I saw this thing.
[34:58] Speaker 2: They looked around a little bit and and they saw
[35:00] Speaker 2: some impressions in the grass where you could see something
[35:04] Speaker 2: probably large had had walked through there and smashed the
[35:08] Speaker 2: grass down, but nothing no intentions in the earth that
[35:12] Speaker 2: could be cast. Using the stick with the orange shirt
[35:16] Speaker 2: tied to it, I would tell Wes to via the
[35:20] Speaker 2: walkie talkie to raise the stick, you know, higher and higher,
[35:24] Speaker 2: And I actually was able to get him to direct
[35:28] Speaker 2: the stick up to about where I saw this thing's
[35:31] Speaker 2: head and its head was we figured about two to
[35:36] Speaker 2: three foot above my son's head. So we figured the
[35:41] Speaker 2: thing think was about eight to nine feet tall, like
[35:45] Speaker 2: I said, and it was just it was so black
[35:49] Speaker 2: that was actually glistening in the in the sunlight. With
[35:52] Speaker 2: the sun shining off of this thing's hair, it was
[35:56] Speaker 2: just kind of amazing both how dark it was and
[36:01] Speaker 2: at the same time just very shiny. It wasn't all
[36:05] Speaker 2: the hair didn't appear matted or anything like that, just
[36:11] Speaker 2: I would say sleek, although it was large. I mean,
[36:15] Speaker 2: it wasn't slender, I'm not saying that, but just the
[36:19] Speaker 2: hair was kind of sleek and just almost as if
[36:24] Speaker 2: it had brushed it or something like that. But it
[36:26] Speaker 2: was just so shiny that that sun was just glistening
[36:30] Speaker 2: off of it. So that was all that we were
[36:34] Speaker 2: able to do with that because there wasn't anything there
[36:37] Speaker 2: that we could cast or anything. My guess is, and
[36:41] Speaker 2: again this is a guess. I think he was probably
[36:44] Speaker 2: either sitting or standing behind some tree out there in
[36:48] Speaker 2: the woods, probably watching us around the campfire, and then
[36:53] Speaker 2: when my son started walking that trail, I think it
[36:58] Speaker 2: had gotten bored with watching them because we weren't doing anything,
[37:01] Speaker 2: just sitting there talking, and when my son started walking
[37:04] Speaker 2: around that circular trail that it didn't got interested in
[37:09] Speaker 2: my son because it was actually even though we at
[37:13] Speaker 2: the time didn't know where my son was at on
[37:15] Speaker 2: the trail. The direction this bigfoot walked when it was
[37:19] Speaker 2: walking from part of the woods through the opening end too.
[37:23] Speaker 2: The other part of the woods was toward the direction
[37:26] Speaker 2: where my son was where we found him, and so
[37:30] Speaker 2: I think that my son probably attracted his attention and
[37:34] Speaker 2: it got to be curious, which they do, and then
[37:38] Speaker 2: began walking, you know, walked through from the woods having
[37:44] Speaker 2: been watching us, into that clearing into the other part
[37:47] Speaker 2: of the woods over toward the direction where my son
[37:50] Speaker 2: was to see what he was up to. And that's
[37:54] Speaker 2: when we were able to find my son and get
[37:57] Speaker 2: him back to camp so we could see what he
[37:59] Speaker 2: was wearing, and quite kind of questioned him. He had
[38:03] Speaker 2: not seen this thing, He didn't hear the thing, He
[38:05] Speaker 2: didn't know the thing was even there. So anyway, that
[38:10] Speaker 2: was the story on that one. That was the only
[38:15] Speaker 2: daylight I guess, the only daylight sighting that I've had
[38:21] Speaker 2: was that one. It lasted, like I said, just about
[38:24] Speaker 2: three seconds. That was all again, really didn't I never
[38:29] Speaker 2: noticed any kind of a smell with any of the
[38:32] Speaker 2: three sightings that I had, No one in any of them,
[38:40] Speaker 2: you know, the first two being the thermal ones. No
[38:43] Speaker 2: one else noticed any kind of a smell With the
[38:46] Speaker 2: one that I saw in the daylight. No one reported
[38:50] Speaker 2: any kind of a smell. And now it is possible
[38:53] Speaker 2: that the wind could have been blowing the other direction
[38:57] Speaker 2: or something of that nature, but we never noticed any
[39:01] Speaker 2: kind of a smell with any of the three. I
[39:04] Speaker 2: was the only one that saw the last one. It
[39:09] Speaker 2: was exciting for me with the first one, the first
[39:13] Speaker 2: thermal sighting I saw. I certainly I told a lot
[39:16] Speaker 2: of people with that one because I'm so excited that
[39:19] Speaker 2: I saw one, but also because we were part of
[39:22] Speaker 2: this expedition that probably had about fifty maybe even between
[39:28] Speaker 2: fifty and sixty members as part of this expedition. And
[39:33] Speaker 2: the next day we always do what we call deep briefing,
[39:38] Speaker 2: where around ten and eleven o'clock in the morning, we'll
[39:41] Speaker 2: have all the teams come together. We always have a
[39:44] Speaker 2: note taker in each group, and that person takes very
[39:49] Speaker 2: copious notes. They'll write down if there's a sighting, if
[39:54] Speaker 2: there's some type of vocalization, anything like anything that happens
[40:01] Speaker 2: during that night ops. The note taker will write down
[40:06] Speaker 2: the time, they'll write down the direction from which say
[40:10] Speaker 2: the vocalization came that kind of thing, and then we
[40:14] Speaker 2: share it with each other next day and see if
[40:17] Speaker 2: there's any correlation between two groups maybe hearing the same thing,
[40:22] Speaker 2: and see if there's any kind of patterns things like that.
[40:25] Speaker 2: A lot of times we'll plot those things on a map,
[40:28] Speaker 2: like where we're at, where we heard, say, a vocalization from,
[40:33] Speaker 2: and where the other groups were that kind of thing.
[40:38] Speaker 2: So I certainly we reported it at that debriefing. The
[40:43] Speaker 2: next day, we also had two experienced members of the
[40:47] Speaker 2: BFRO interviewed each of us that were part of my
[40:52] Speaker 2: night Offs group. They interviewed its separately so that we
[40:55] Speaker 2: all didn't have the opportunity to hear what the other
[40:58] Speaker 2: people said, and basically, well all of us that saw
[41:02] Speaker 2: it said the same thing, you know what we knew
[41:05] Speaker 2: what it to be, and described the same thing. You know,
[41:09] Speaker 2: acorns and small walnuts being thrown at us, this thing
[41:14] Speaker 2: peaking and us from behind a tree. You know, all that,
[41:17] Speaker 2: you know matched up together, and they determined that it
[41:21] Speaker 2: was a big foot, especially after we had gone out
[41:23] Speaker 2: there and cast these tracks and stuff at the at
[41:26] Speaker 2: the location. So yes, I certainly did tell a lot
[41:32] Speaker 2: of people about that one the next one that I
[41:36] Speaker 2: saw with the thermal, which was with the Northern Kentucky
[41:38] Speaker 2: group we had. We didn't immediately go out of there
[41:43] Speaker 2: and announce it to the world. Now now Tom the
[41:46] Speaker 2: next day, once it was daylight and we'd been out
[41:49] Speaker 2: looking for tracks and things like that, he did record
[41:53] Speaker 2: me via video and I think that he put that
[41:57] Speaker 2: on the Northern Kentucky UH website that they were running
[42:01] Speaker 2: at that time. It maybe even be on YouTube. I'm
[42:04] Speaker 2: not certain, but we told people kind of via that
[42:10] Speaker 2: that way. Also, I talked about it at different times
[42:15] Speaker 2: that I've given talks at conferences and things like that.
[42:19] Speaker 2: I've described that situation, the last one the daylight, citing
[42:26] Speaker 2: that I had by this time. You know, I don't
[42:28] Speaker 2: want to sound like, you know, this is getting to
[42:32] Speaker 2: be old hat and not exciting for me, because it
[42:36] Speaker 2: is exciting every time I do I am able to
[42:40] Speaker 2: see one, and especially with the last one being an
[42:46] Speaker 2: actually being able to see it with my naked eye,
[42:49] Speaker 2: it was exciting, but it perhaps lost a little bit
[42:54] Speaker 2: from the first one or two, because by this time
[42:58] Speaker 2: it was the third I had seen one. But this
[43:02] Speaker 2: one was different in that it would did take place
[43:05] Speaker 2: during the daylight, and it was with the naked eye.
[43:07] Speaker 2: Said that that too was exciting, but I didn't go
[43:11] Speaker 2: out of there and broadcast it to a bunch of people. Again,
[43:15] Speaker 2: I have told the story at conferences and different times
[43:20] Speaker 2: that the people have had me out to speak, podcasts
[43:24] Speaker 2: that I've done, things like that. I have told this
[43:27] Speaker 2: story and a lot of times, you know, when I
[43:31] Speaker 2: am speaking and things like that, people will ask me it's,
[43:34] Speaker 2: you know, always allowed time for questions and answers. And
[43:38] Speaker 2: one of the things that I always do is allowed
[43:42] Speaker 2: time for questions and answers, and they'll want to know
[43:45] Speaker 2: if I haven't mentioned it, whether I've ever seen one,
[43:48] Speaker 2: and what the circumstances were and so forth, and so
[43:52] Speaker 2: then if I haven't brought it up because of my
[43:55] Speaker 2: subject matter being a little different, then you know, they
[44:01] Speaker 2: ask me that, and I always tell them the story
[44:03] Speaker 2: about how that took place and stuff.
[44:06] Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you're never going to see a sasquatch with your
[44:09] Speaker 1: un needed eyes for the first time ever again, Dusty,
[44:13] Speaker 1: And with that in mind, I'm not sure if that's
[44:16] Speaker 1: even something that you thought about before. But with that
[44:18] Speaker 1: in mind, do you find that fact a little disappointing?
[44:26] Speaker 2: That I'm never gonna see one for the first time again. Wow,
[44:32] Speaker 2: I would have to say no, because I'm hoping that
[44:38] Speaker 2: maybe the next time it'll be for a longer period
[44:42] Speaker 2: of time. Uh, the one that we the second, Well,
[44:46] Speaker 2: both of the first two with the thermal were for
[44:48] Speaker 2: quite a long period of time, I'd say a couple
[44:50] Speaker 2: of hours each one, you know, with them dodging behind
[44:54] Speaker 2: the trees and so on and so forth. But both
[44:59] Speaker 2: of those were for quite a bit longer. The third
[45:02] Speaker 2: one was only for about three seconds. I would like
[45:05] Speaker 2: to see one with the naked eye for a longer
[45:08] Speaker 2: period of time. Not so much really. Oh, that's one
[45:12] Speaker 2: thing I left out. Once we measured this, we measured
[45:16] Speaker 2: it to be about seventy yards from where I was
[45:19] Speaker 2: sitting to where the sasquatch was that I saw with
[45:23] Speaker 2: the naked eye. I would like to see one for
[45:27] Speaker 2: a longer period of time, maybe about the same distance.
[45:30] Speaker 2: Not really up closed, you know, but I always look
[45:36] Speaker 2: forward to that. I'm also very fascinated with the sounds
[45:43] Speaker 2: that they make. I put out what we call long
[45:46] Speaker 2: duration recorders or ld rs, and make up me and
[45:50] Speaker 2: my son West make up ourselves. They have stereo microphones.
[45:55] Speaker 2: They're encased in PVC pipe. They're sealed, so the proof.
[46:01] Speaker 2: We have a recorder in there that I can program
[46:03] Speaker 2: to come on at any time that I want, go
[46:06] Speaker 2: off at anytime I want. I usually set it to
[46:08] Speaker 2: go come on at night at nine o'clock, to go
[46:12] Speaker 2: off the next morning about seven o'clock. I can leave
[46:16] Speaker 2: it out because we use a battery bypass. I set
[46:22] Speaker 2: it so that operates off of two D cell batteries
[46:26] Speaker 2: instead of two triple A batteries, and I can leave
[46:29] Speaker 2: it out in the woods. I've got as many as
[46:31] Speaker 2: fifty two nights on there before before having to change
[46:34] Speaker 2: the batteries in the micro SD cards, and so I'm
[46:38] Speaker 2: fascinated with that aspect of bigfoot research. I love to
[46:43] Speaker 2: record big pots, whether they're making vocalizations or throwing rocks,
[46:49] Speaker 2: breaking sticks near my recorder, that kind of thing. And
[46:53] Speaker 2: then of course I have to take the change the batteries,
[46:56] Speaker 2: put in a new SD card, set it to go again,
[47:00] Speaker 2: bring the SD card back home. I uploaded to my laptop,
[47:05] Speaker 2: and through using a software program called Audacity, I'm able
[47:10] Speaker 2: then to not only hear whatever sounds are being made,
[47:16] Speaker 2: but I can actually see a big visual signature within
[47:22] Speaker 2: the Audacity program and watch a spectrogram of because each
[47:28] Speaker 2: of these sounds are assigned a visual signature in this program.
[47:34] Speaker 2: So I can see what a knock looks like. I
[47:38] Speaker 2: can see what a whoop looks like. I can see
[47:41] Speaker 2: what how looks like a scream, and all these look
[47:46] Speaker 2: no matter what bigfoots or whatever whatever they're coming from,
[47:52] Speaker 2: the whoops all look you know, I won't say exactly
[47:55] Speaker 2: the same, but very similar. So I can tell what
[47:58] Speaker 2: a hoop or what a whoop is. I can tell
[48:01] Speaker 2: what a scream one of HOW is without having to
[48:04] Speaker 2: listen to it, and I can look at it and
[48:06] Speaker 2: see and review it much quicker than I can if
[48:12] Speaker 2: I sit there and I'm listening to each one, and
[48:14] Speaker 2: then if I'm going through it visually and looking at
[48:18] Speaker 2: these signatures on this spectrogram, I can if I see
[48:23] Speaker 2: something that looks like a whoop, I will stop it,
[48:27] Speaker 2: I will rewind it back, and I'll start listening to
[48:31] Speaker 2: it shortly before I see the signature, and I can
[48:34] Speaker 2: listen to it and then either verify yes, that was
[48:37] Speaker 2: a whoop or no, it was something else. That type
[48:42] Speaker 2: of thing, and the neat thing about it is a
[48:45] Speaker 2: lot of times with your ear it's hard to distinguish
[48:49] Speaker 2: sometimes between a gunshot and a knock. I won't say
[48:54] Speaker 2: all the time, but sometimes it is. Well, when you're
[48:57] Speaker 2: looking at the spectrogram on a desk, you can tell
[49:01] Speaker 2: a difference easily between whether it's a knock, whether it's
[49:05] Speaker 2: a gunshot, whether it may be fireworks going off that
[49:09] Speaker 2: type of thing. And so to me that's fascinating. And
[49:13] Speaker 2: then when I find something that is interesting, like a
[49:17] Speaker 2: vocalization or something like that, or sometimes even a sound
[49:22] Speaker 2: that I can't distinguish what it is but just doesn't
[49:26] Speaker 2: sound like it blongs in the forest, then I can
[49:30] Speaker 2: go in and I can make a clip of it,
[49:32] Speaker 2: and I'll save it. I do save all of the
[49:37] Speaker 2: audio that I've retrieved over the years. I save the
[49:40] Speaker 2: original SD cards. I don't erase them, I save them.
[49:44] Speaker 2: I also back them up in laptop and put them
[49:48] Speaker 2: on an external hard drive. And then I also have
[49:51] Speaker 2: the clips that I've made from each of those audio
[49:58] Speaker 2: or sounds that I've retrieved with the recorder. So I'm
[50:05] Speaker 2: fascinated with that part of it. And then having been
[50:08] Speaker 2: an investigator in my previous career, as I said, I
[50:14] Speaker 2: was an investigator for twenty five years. My boss then
[50:18] Speaker 2: retired and they then promoted me to his position, so
[50:22] Speaker 2: it was called an administrator, and so then I actually
[50:27] Speaker 2: supervised the rest of the investigators for another eleven years
[50:32] Speaker 2: before I retired. So I'm interested in the aspects of
[50:36] Speaker 2: collecting all different kinds of evidence, which includes the course,
[50:40] Speaker 2: casting tracks, gathering of hair, will lift. I've taught members
[50:45] Speaker 2: of my team, my BFRO team, how to lift fingerprints
[50:52] Speaker 2: because sometimes they'll leave hand prints, fingerprints and things like
[50:55] Speaker 2: that on our vehicles when we have expeditions. Of the
[51:00] Speaker 2: places that we have our expedition, usually it's the place
[51:03] Speaker 2: that we go to most often, they will actually come
[51:06] Speaker 2: into our base camp usually almost every night. They tend
[51:11] Speaker 2: to come in somewhere between three o'clock and five point thirty.
[51:14] Speaker 2: They've never ever done any type of damage, no type
[51:18] Speaker 2: of violence or aggressiveness whatsoever. Sometimes they get brave and
[51:23] Speaker 2: they'll go up and they may scratch a tent. The
[51:27] Speaker 2: people have heard them walk around the tents, run by
[51:30] Speaker 2: the tents, mess with the coolers, mess with campers. They've
[51:35] Speaker 2: left fingerprints and handprints before on vehicles. We have obtained
[51:41] Speaker 2: casts from tracks at right end base camp, we've obtained tracks,
[51:49] Speaker 2: and from just outside base camp in the woodline, we've
[51:55] Speaker 2: had sightings of them. One the neat thing, I think
[52:01] Speaker 2: this is really neat. I get super excited over the
[52:05] Speaker 2: small ones, the little tracks, because although large tracks are
[52:11] Speaker 2: still hard to find, the little tracks to me, are
[52:15] Speaker 2: more rare. One thing, they don't cause the indention in
[52:20] Speaker 2: the ground that the large, heavy ones do. And a
[52:22] Speaker 2: lot of times also we believe that they ride on
[52:26] Speaker 2: the backs of their mothers or fathers, just like small
[52:32] Speaker 2: great apes do at the zoo. You know, just see
[52:34] Speaker 2: him riding on the back or shoulders, and we believe
[52:37] Speaker 2: these things do also. But anytime we find one of those,
[52:41] Speaker 2: that's just super cool. We did find a set I
[52:46] Speaker 2: think it's about seven inches down in Kentucky, down the
[52:49] Speaker 2: area where Tom does his investigation Tom Shay, and that
[52:54] Speaker 2: was cool. But then this last time when we had
[52:58] Speaker 2: an expedition, we had one September, actually we were out
[53:03] Speaker 2: there twice in September, two different weekends, and one weekend
[53:07] Speaker 2: my son found some that were about five inches. Well
[53:11] Speaker 2: up to that point I had never seen a five
[53:14] Speaker 2: inch one in my life, not in person, but he
[53:18] Speaker 2: was able to find I think it was. He's a
[53:21] Speaker 2: cast three in that area right there where we have
[53:26] Speaker 2: our base campus on top of a ridge, and they'll
[53:31] Speaker 2: come up over the ridge on either side, and they
[53:36] Speaker 2: have a little path in the woods or within the
[53:41] Speaker 2: tree line where they sometimes walk, and that's where he
[53:45] Speaker 2: was able to find. Actually, besides finding the little one,
[53:49] Speaker 2: he found one that was about fourteen inches, which we
[53:52] Speaker 2: assume was the mother. And the mother had probably been
[53:56] Speaker 2: carrying the little one and then it either got off
[53:59] Speaker 2: or she put it down or something of that nature,
[54:02] Speaker 2: which allowed him then to cast that one. I almost
[54:07] Speaker 2: if you don't mind, there is one other tale. I'd
[54:09] Speaker 2: like the tale one of the other locations that we
[54:13] Speaker 2: investigate in the southern part of iiO. We did find
[54:18] Speaker 2: a track line trackway and we're able to measure and
[54:24] Speaker 2: cast tracks out of it. And I will say this,
[54:27] Speaker 2: there's there's another couple of people that that claim that
[54:33] Speaker 2: they cast the largest trackway ever cast in Ohio. That
[54:37] Speaker 2: may have been true at one time. I actually did
[54:40] Speaker 2: see that trackway myself was at that location, and they
[54:47] Speaker 2: got some great I won't deny this. They got some
[54:50] Speaker 2: great tracks out of there. But the trackway that we
[54:54] Speaker 2: found then later, which was like a couple of years ago,
[54:59] Speaker 2: is much longer. There's more tracks out of that we
[55:02] Speaker 2: were able to cast. Uh, it is longer in distance,
[55:07] Speaker 2: there's more tracks. So my son was actually the one
[55:11] Speaker 2: again that casts that one, and it is quite a
[55:16] Speaker 2: bit longer than the one, the other one that where
[55:20] Speaker 2: they purport that they have the longest track way ever cast.
[55:25] Speaker 2: Like I said, that may have been true at one time,
[55:27] Speaker 2: but it's no longer true. The one we have as
[55:30] Speaker 2: the longest one. Tom Shehay has seen the evidence from it.
[55:34] Speaker 2: He's seen the cast and he's verified that yes, they're
[55:39] Speaker 2: not human, that they are bigfoot tracks. And I'll add
[55:44] Speaker 2: this too. For the most people have probably heard of
[55:46] Speaker 2: Tom Shay. He's got the most cast of anybody's to
[55:51] Speaker 2: the Mississippi. He usually shares his cast with Cliff Berrickman
[55:56] Speaker 2: of the North American Bigfoot Center out in Oregon, and
[56:02] Speaker 2: so you know Cliff has seen them also all of
[56:07] Speaker 2: Tom's finding, so Tom knows what he's talking about. He's
[56:11] Speaker 2: probably one of the best, if not the best tracker
[56:15] Speaker 2: in the United States and really nosy stuff as far
[56:20] Speaker 2: as being able to track these creatures and cast the
[56:25] Speaker 2: tracks and stuff, and like I said, Tom's seen all
[56:28] Speaker 2: of our stuff and verified the Yes, it is a bigfoot,
[56:32] Speaker 2: it's not a human. There's other parts of that story
[56:36] Speaker 2: too that as far as other evidence that we found
[56:39] Speaker 2: there where that took place that I don't know whether
[56:43] Speaker 2: we have enough time to go into that or not,
[56:45] Speaker 2: but that's could be a story for another day.
[56:49] Speaker 1: Sure, if you'd like to go into a By all means.
[56:52] Speaker 2: Okay, Well, this thing had come out of the woods.
[56:56] Speaker 2: There was a woods there, there was a pond kind
[57:00] Speaker 2: of it walked out of the woods into the pond,
[57:03] Speaker 2: back out of the pond. Now, one of the other
[57:06] Speaker 2: reasons that we believed that this was not a human
[57:10] Speaker 2: was because it came out of the woods, walked in
[57:12] Speaker 2: the pond back out. No human in the right mind
[57:16] Speaker 2: is going to walk into that pond and back out
[57:18] Speaker 2: when there's people that fish in that pond, so which
[57:22] Speaker 2: means there would probably be fishing hooks and things like
[57:25] Speaker 2: that down there in the water. It circled the pond.
[57:30] Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, whether you're looking for fish
[57:33] Speaker 2: what it was looking for, but it was digging up
[57:37] Speaker 2: fresh water muscles that were down in the mud. When
[57:41] Speaker 2: we were there. It was very very muddy. Matter of fact,
[57:45] Speaker 2: I fell at one time because I had just had
[57:49] Speaker 2: surgery and I had a hip replaced, and one of
[57:54] Speaker 2: my kind of as we were walking around this pond,
[57:57] Speaker 2: it's kind of slope there, So one of my feet
[58:00] Speaker 2: was downhill, the other one was uphill, and the one
[58:04] Speaker 2: that was downhill kept sliding in this mud, and so
[58:09] Speaker 2: you know, I ended up going down and and so
[58:12] Speaker 2: got back up and stuff. And as we were walking around,
[58:16] Speaker 2: you know, following these tracks and stuff, we were able
[58:20] Speaker 2: to find several places where it had shoved its fist
[58:24] Speaker 2: or its hand down in the ground and was pulling
[58:28] Speaker 2: out these fresh water muscles, and it would crack the
[58:32] Speaker 2: shells open. Sometimes it would just it would appeared to
[58:36] Speaker 2: eat the muscle and just throw the shell down. At
[58:41] Speaker 2: other places, it piled the shells up very neatly in
[58:45] Speaker 2: a pile. And we found two or three of those
[58:48] Speaker 2: piles of shells, and so, you know that that was
[58:53] Speaker 2: pretty cool to be able to find that and see
[58:56] Speaker 2: how orderly it had been in piling up these shells.
[59:01] Speaker 2: We do have photographs of all that. We have photographs
[59:03] Speaker 2: of the tracks. We measured all of them. We used
[59:07] Speaker 2: the little markers that we use when doing you know, investigations.
[59:13] Speaker 2: I have numbers and stuff on them to show where
[59:16] Speaker 2: the various tracks were. We we measured both the track, this, this,
[59:23] Speaker 2: the step, the strides between the various tracks. You could tell,
[59:31] Speaker 2: especially since we you know, cast them, that the tracks
[59:35] Speaker 2: were all in a very linear fashion, one behind the other,
[59:41] Speaker 2: not not in a straddle like humans walk right leg,
[59:46] Speaker 2: left leg, that kind of stuff. These things walked right foot,
[59:49] Speaker 2: left foot, but it was all almost a very straight
[59:53] Speaker 2: line as it walked around this pond. So we have
[59:58] Speaker 2: photographs of all that. We were very opious in the
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: way that we collected the evidence, the measuring that we did,
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: the casting of the tracks. We still have all those
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: casts and stuff, and so we tried to do a
[1:00:12] Speaker 2: very thorough job, very detailed job when we're investigating. You know,
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: by virtue of me having been an investigator in my life,
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: I know how to do the proper gathering of evidence,
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: and I thought other team members with the BFRO how
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: to do that. As a matter of fact, I've had
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: scavenger hunts before where we divide up into teams and
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: they had to go from point to point and use
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: the proper methods of gathering evidence and actually take photos
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: and videos of them gathering evidence at these locations, whether
[1:00:52] Speaker 2: it be a hair that was put out, say on
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: a fence, or whether it was a track or you
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: know whatever us and they had to use evidence envelopes
[1:01:03] Speaker 2: to collect like the hair and things like that, or
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: if it was something kind of wet, you know, they
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: would use glass specimen bottles to collect that. In again
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: with the proper instruments they would use like tweezers to
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: collect hair and so forth. They would wear nitrile gloves
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: when they would collect the evidence of a lot of times,
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: I like to use particularly the black ones, because then
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: you can use you can hold up, say, if you've
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: got a reddish brown hairway hair, silver hair, you can
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: hold those up against it and use the contrast in
[1:01:43] Speaker 2: the gloves to photograph the hair. The only thing that
[1:01:48] Speaker 2: doesn't show up well would be a black one, of course,
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: but they all know how to do that, and they
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: know how to lift the fingerprints and how to use
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: the backer background to show contrast for those fingerprints, depending
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: on what kind of dusting material that they're using. So
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: you know, they in my belief, they've been well trained
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: whenever we have an expedition, we're always willing to take
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: the attendees and show them how to collect evidence properly.
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: We take them out on night op night ops at
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: night to locations where that we've either had a sighting
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: and we found tracks things of that nature where we
[1:02:37] Speaker 2: know there have been bigfoots, and try to give them
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: the opportunity to see or hear some have some kind
[1:02:44] Speaker 2: of encounter, some type of experience. And then again we
[1:02:47] Speaker 2: come back and the next day we get up and
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: we discuss that at our debriefing. We have thermals on hand,
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: we have night vision on hand, things of that nature,
[1:02:58] Speaker 2: and we'll allow them to try those when we're out
[1:03:00] Speaker 2: doing night ops and so they can get a feel
[1:03:03] Speaker 2: for what that's like and see what that's like. A
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: lot of times on these expeditions we find tracks and
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: we're able to cast those, so that's cool. We get
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: hair samples at times. A lot of times we do
[1:03:20] Speaker 2: get the fingerprints and stuff where they've gone up and
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: been nosy and snooping around cars and looking in the
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: windows and things like that. We're of the belief that
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: we've gone there enough times that they perhaps recognize our
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: tents and our campers, our vehicles, and that they know
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: then who we are, and they know that we're safe,
[1:03:46] Speaker 2: that we don't bother them, we don't try to hurt
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: them any anyway. So I think that's why they're comfortable
[1:03:52] Speaker 2: coming up in our base camp, because we're no threat
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: to them in any way. So I guess, Yeah, I've
[1:04:02] Speaker 2: got a thousands more stories, but you know, I'll stop there.
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: Well, i'd love to hear them. If you're up for
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: coming back some time to share more of these experiences
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: with us, all I have to do is let me know,
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: because I'd love to bring you back on.
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be glad to just let me know, as
[1:04:17] Speaker 2: long as we can get it scheduled in advance to
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: where you know, I make sure that I've got the
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: time and I'm free to do it.
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: Well, that's music to my ears. I really do appreciate it.
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: And before we get out of here, Dusty, if anyone
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: listening would like to share a sighting they had in
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: Ohio with you, what's the best way for them to
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: do that?
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: Well, the best thing for him to do would be
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: to get on the b f r O website. It's
[1:04:42] Speaker 2: actually www. Dot b f r O dot net. Don't
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: put dot org or dot dot com or anything. Put
[1:04:52] Speaker 2: dot net. That's a gay n www dot b f
[1:04:56] Speaker 2: r O dot net. There's you can get on there
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: and there's a screen that you go to where you
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: can log the report, give a thorough or detailed description
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: of what you've seen, where it was at, and so forth.
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: Then we as investigators, we've got the largest database in
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: the world. You can actually go on there and you
[1:05:19] Speaker 2: can do reports made in your individual states and counties.
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: But you can log your report and one of us,
[1:05:26] Speaker 2: as an individual, will take your report and we'll go
[1:05:30] Speaker 2: out and investigate. I will share this with you a
[1:05:34] Speaker 2: lot of times. If I'm out doing a speaking engagement,
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: I'll pass out my business cards which has actually my
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: real cell phone number on it and it's got my
[1:05:45] Speaker 2: email address. I'll give you my email address, which is
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: Dusty Ruth the number one numeral one at gmail dot com.
[1:05:56] Speaker 2: So it's Dusty d Usdy Ruth are uh one at
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Anytime that you would want to talk
[1:06:07] Speaker 2: to me or anything, you feel free to do so,
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: you can contact me via that email. Once you've done
[1:06:15] Speaker 2: that and you tell me what you want to talk
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: about and so forth. Probably a range of time then
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: in which to call you and discuss it with you
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: over the phone. And I always encourage people to do that.
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: You know, anytime that they want to talk, if they
[1:06:28] Speaker 2: got any questions anything, feel free to call me. Yeah,
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: contact me via email first and then I'll call you
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: and we'll range the time to sit down and talk together.
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: And so if you want to come on in one
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: of our expeditions, i'd encourage you to do that again.
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: Go to the BFRO website again. It's got some links
[1:06:50] Speaker 2: on there that you can go to and you can
[1:06:52] Speaker 2: see where the various expeditions are being given in the
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: United States. We are actually having three in Ohio next year.
[1:07:05] Speaker 2: Usually we have two. We have one and man in September.
[1:07:08] Speaker 2: We're adding a third one next year in October, So
[1:07:11] Speaker 2: we'll have one in May one in September. Those will
[1:07:14] Speaker 2: be at our usual location where we do have them
[1:07:18] Speaker 2: come into base camp. Like I said, the third one's
[1:07:21] Speaker 2: going to be at a new location that we kind
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: of went out and scouted out this past June, and
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: so we're going to give that a try in October.
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: So you can go on there. You can see when
[1:07:32] Speaker 2: those are going to be. You can also contact us
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: on that via that website ask any questions regarding how
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: much it is that kind of stuff. We're not allowed
[1:07:44] Speaker 2: to give out exact the exact location. I can give
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: you the general part of Ohio, but we don't give
[1:07:51] Speaker 2: out the exact location unless you have registered, and then
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: I give it out about a week before to keep
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: people from hopefully coming out in hoaxus and that kind
[1:08:01] Speaker 2: of thing. But we encourage you to, if you're in rested,
[1:08:04] Speaker 2: to sign up for one of our expeditions and come.
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: We'll try to teach you everything we can. We will
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: answer any of your questions, and I can't promise you
[1:08:15] Speaker 2: a citing but I will promise you that you will
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: have a great time and you'll make friends there you'll
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: have the rest of your life.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: I believe you, Dusty, I'll bet that is a great time.
[1:08:26] Speaker 2: It is. I've got some of my best friends that
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: I have right now are people that I met at
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: the very first expedition I ever attended as an attendee,
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: and some of those people are members of my BFRO
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: team right here in Ohio. It is a great time.
[1:08:46] Speaker 2: We have a good time. Like I said, a lot
[1:08:48] Speaker 2: of times we do have activity, but we have people
[1:08:52] Speaker 2: that follow us and come back every time. You know,
[1:08:56] Speaker 2: they enjoy just coming together and being with our friends
[1:08:59] Speaker 2: together in and one thing, you do know a lot
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: of times when you go someplace, you may not have
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: anything in common with somebody. I can guarantee you, if
[1:09:11] Speaker 2: you're interested in Bigfoot, you come to one of our expeditions,
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: you at least have one thing in common. You know,
[1:09:18] Speaker 2: you all have an interest in Bigfoot before you ever come,
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: so that that gives you a start right there toward
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: a friendship.
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: A very good start. Desty, thank you so much again
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: for coming on to share all these experiences with us.
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: Oh it's been fun. I enjoy it, Vic, and I
[1:09:38] Speaker 2: thank you for asking me to do it. Where I'm
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: always interested in letting people know what we've experienced, and
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: you know what our experiences have been in investigating reports
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: and other research that we've done in trying to find
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: out Yeah, I don't really look at the trying to
[1:09:59] Speaker 2: prove the big what exists, you know, That's not what
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: I'm all about. I'm more interested in their behavior. I
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: know they exist, I've seen them, you know. I'm more
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: interested in their behavior and what they do and why
[1:10:11] Speaker 2: they do what they do.
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: Got to give it to you, Dusty, You're one heck
[1:10:15] Speaker 1: of an ambassador for the field. You really are.
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you.
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. But yeah, just telling them like it
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: is I really am. But having said that, thanks again
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: so much for your time. I really do appreciate it.
[1:10:29] Speaker 1: And if I can never help you out in the future,
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: please let me know.
[1:10:33] Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Vic, thank you very much.
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: Oh you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: have a great night. That's it for another episode of
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff.
[1:10:52] Speaker 2: If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like.
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: To be a guest on the show, please go to
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report.
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you.
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, have a great night.

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