# Where the Grafton Monster Lives - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 508

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 23 Oct 2025, 1 h 02 min.

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David Belford lives on a 22-acre property that is forested and mountainous, in West Virginia. He’s had two Sasquatch sightings and both of them happened while he was on his property. He’s also a team member of the WV Case Bigfoot Collective. That’s a Sasquatch investigation team that an investigator named Les O’Dell created. Dave has been into Bigfooting for 10 years or more. What sparked his interest in Sasquatch was a documentary he saw that featured Dr. Jeffery Meldrum. When Dave had his first sighting, in June of last year, he was taking his dog, Ted, out at 3 AM. After taking Ted out, Dave randomly glanced up to a hillside that’s visible from his backyard and was shocked by what he saw. We hope you’ll tune in to not only find out what he saw that night, but also what happened when he had his second sighting. If you’d like to check out the WV Case Bigfoot Collective Taylor County, WV Facebook Page, please visit… https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61574165976966 If you’d like to check out Dave’s Three Fork Creek Outdoors YouTube Channel, which we hope you will, please visit… https://www.youtube.com/@threeforkcreekoutdoors704 If you've had at least one Sasquatch sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. I'd love to hear from you. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

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[0:14] Speaker 2: My name is David Belford. I go by Dave.
[0:18] Speaker 3: I live in Grafton, West Virginia, and I live on
[0:23] Speaker 3: twenty two acres of property. It's mostly forested and mountainous
[0:28] Speaker 3: of course the Mountain State. I'm part of a team
[0:35] Speaker 3: with leslo'dell called the called the w V Case Big
[0:39] Speaker 3: Book Collective. On that team for about six six seven months,
[0:46] Speaker 3: we've done three campouts and in the mount National Forest,
[0:53] Speaker 3: two around Elkins and around Davis. As as for me
[1:02] Speaker 3: being in big footing, I've been in the big footing.
[1:06] Speaker 2: Jeez.
[1:07] Speaker 3: I want to say at least maybe ten years or
[1:14] Speaker 3: more since I saw doctor Meldrum on a documentary on
[1:18] Speaker 3: TV on the History Channel. I apologize for my starting.
[1:25] Speaker 3: As for my sightings, the first one happened June of
[1:37] Speaker 3: last year, right after the Grafton Monster Festival downtown, our
[1:42] Speaker 3: first one we've had in town.
[1:46] Speaker 2: It was about three in the morning. I was letting
[1:49] Speaker 2: our dog ted out.
[1:53] Speaker 3: And he went out to the yard I happened just
[1:56] Speaker 3: a glance up to the hillside across from the backyard,
[2:01] Speaker 3: which I said it was about thirty yards away. I
[2:07] Speaker 3: couldn't see the feet, but I could see the top
[2:10] Speaker 3: of the head down to about mid calf height because
[2:15] Speaker 3: of some weeds and high grass in the woods there
[2:17] Speaker 3: and feeline there. From what I saw, it's kind of
[2:23] Speaker 3: shaped head normally, and like I said, it's that's that
[2:27] Speaker 3: square on the on the shoulders.
[2:32] Speaker 2: I didn't see its eyes, unfortunately.
[2:34] Speaker 3: I think it was you know, facing away from me
[2:36] Speaker 3: or walking away when I saw it. Everybody describes the
[2:44] Speaker 3: color as reddish or brown or black. When I saw
[2:49] Speaker 3: was a grayish like sooty color. Because we have a
[2:55] Speaker 3: light on the back of our house that that uh
[2:57] Speaker 3: uh like it's this you called a dust a dust
[3:01] Speaker 3: the dawn light it hit shine enough light on there
[3:06] Speaker 3: two uh for me to see some detail, not everything, unfortunately.
[3:14] Speaker 2: Uh.
[3:14] Speaker 3: I actimate the size when I measured it afterward, to
[3:20] Speaker 3: be about six and a half foot tall. Uh, Like
[3:27] Speaker 3: I said it because I measured it to a branch
[3:29] Speaker 3: on one tree that I know is that that height.
[3:36] Speaker 3: And when I saw the.
[3:39] Speaker 2: The the the the sasquatch big foot as I believed
[3:43] Speaker 2: to be. It was.
[3:48] Speaker 3: Maybe a minute two minute long the sighting. I looked
[3:52] Speaker 3: away for maybe five five seconds because Ted was was
[3:57] Speaker 3: coming into the house from the backyard, and normally people
[4:03] Speaker 3: say that their dogs go crazy noticing these things in
[4:06] Speaker 3: the woods or smelling them.
[4:08] Speaker 2: There was no smell. I heard it walk away, but
[4:13] Speaker 2: Ted didn't go off.
[4:15] Speaker 3: I think he was just oblivious to anything going on,
[4:20] Speaker 3: and he wants you want to come back in the
[4:21] Speaker 3: house to go back to sleep. Like I said, the
[4:25] Speaker 3: color was pretty grayish. Six and a half foot tall,
[4:29] Speaker 3: conical shaped head shit square on my shoulders.
[4:34] Speaker 2: When I walked away. You you know.
[4:36] Speaker 3: If you've ever been in the woods, or if you're
[4:37] Speaker 3: a hunter or the outdoorsman in general, you know the
[4:41] Speaker 3: difference between a deer's walking and in a person or
[4:47] Speaker 3: by petal walk. This was surely by petel. At first,
[4:56] Speaker 3: I didn't really think I saw what I saw. I
[5:00] Speaker 3: was thinking myself, now, I can't get it lucky, and
[5:05] Speaker 3: I ain't that kind of person to get that lucky
[5:09] Speaker 3: to have a sighting. But I talked to my wife
[5:14] Speaker 3: about it, and she said, well, that's probably.
[5:17] Speaker 2: What you saw. Was it was a big foot.
[5:22] Speaker 3: Because we don't have say, we have bears around here,
[5:27] Speaker 3: but black bears don't get grayish or stutty colored like that.
[5:33] Speaker 3: And it was, like I said, the human shapes, but
[5:38] Speaker 3: bigger than a human.
[5:40] Speaker 2: Ah.
[5:42] Speaker 3: I can't tell you how white it was, because I was,
[5:45] Speaker 3: you know, it was dark and not dark, but light
[5:48] Speaker 3: only only real so much of the details. But I
[5:55] Speaker 3: knew I felt nervous afterwards because you if you ever,
[6:00] Speaker 3: you know, seeing something strange in the woods around where
[6:04] Speaker 3: you're familiar with, you get the.
[6:06] Speaker 2: Shakes that they call.
[6:08] Speaker 3: You know that they called when you running and they
[6:11] Speaker 3: see a buck to come to your stand, you get
[6:12] Speaker 3: buck fever. Well, that was the same feeling I got,
[6:20] Speaker 3: So I said, that's way. It didn't last that long
[6:22] Speaker 3: because it was at night or early in the morning.
[6:28] Speaker 3: But I didn't go right out and talk to anybody
[6:30] Speaker 3: about it, Excepond.
[6:31] Speaker 2: In my life.
[6:32] Speaker 3: I you know, kind of got it to myself until
[6:35] Speaker 3: I talked less about it one time mentioned it to him.
[6:39] Speaker 3: I told I told her about it at the last
[6:42] Speaker 3: camp out, which was last weekend or the weekend before last.
[6:50] Speaker 2: So that's for so much for that for that sighting. Uh.
[6:56] Speaker 2: My second sighting.
[6:58] Speaker 3: Was again on the property and I was up our
[7:02] Speaker 3: spring doing some maintenance on our spring created a spring
[7:05] Speaker 3: care of water the same distance about thirty thirty yards
[7:15] Speaker 3: I was. I heard something walking up there around the
[7:21] Speaker 3: spring area, and I happened to look up because I
[7:25] Speaker 3: figured I thought maybe it was a deer. But and
[7:29] Speaker 3: then I liked to look up and up by a
[7:35] Speaker 3: tree that sits up behind with the spring flows into
[7:39] Speaker 3: our tanks, there's and I saw something sitting and had
[7:46] Speaker 3: his arm up on the tree like it was holding
[7:49] Speaker 3: on and either looking at me or looking away from me.
[7:55] Speaker 3: This one was the classic reddish brown with the hair
[8:00] Speaker 3: kind of cascading or hanging off of the of the
[8:02] Speaker 3: arms like they say. You know, some people you mentioned
[8:06] Speaker 3: it in their in their statements for their reports. Didn't
[8:13] Speaker 3: make a noise. The smell was there. It was like
[8:17] Speaker 3: a mildewy sour smell let dog mud, no dead vegetation
[8:25] Speaker 3: type smell.
[8:30] Speaker 2: That one was a lot more.
[8:34] Speaker 3: Nervous to me because it was broad daylight and then
[8:37] Speaker 3: was that close again.
[8:40] Speaker 2: And but I never felt felt threatened in either one.
[8:46] Speaker 2: This one still not feeling not feeling threatened. Mm hmm.
[8:55] Speaker 3: I watched it for a good minute or two, and
[9:01] Speaker 3: I got a call from on my phone and of
[9:05] Speaker 3: course there's my parents can check up on us.
[9:09] Speaker 2: And I answered that.
[9:13] Speaker 3: The same, you know, conical shaped head, square on my shoulders.
[9:19] Speaker 3: But like I said, I was sitting and when I
[9:23] Speaker 3: looked up from the phone call, it was gone. Didn't
[9:28] Speaker 3: hear it walk away? Of course I wasn't pay attention
[9:30] Speaker 3: to time. I was talking to it to my dad.
[9:35] Speaker 3: But I figured it was any kind of normal forest animal,
[9:42] Speaker 3: I would have heard it, you know, running off, scampering
[9:45] Speaker 3: off and back into the woods, because there were dried
[9:50] Speaker 3: leaves on the ground still.
[9:51] Speaker 2: From from from from less bubble. I went up to
[9:55] Speaker 2: where it was. You could see where something had sat
[9:59] Speaker 2: down in a brush right there.
[10:01] Speaker 3: Well, there's a little I guess you call them Queen
[10:06] Speaker 3: Ann's lace flowers and bushes up there. You can see
[10:09] Speaker 3: where it's set and there was a trail going off.
[10:15] Speaker 3: I didn't follow it because I didn't want anything to
[10:18] Speaker 3: feel like I was, you know, actively trying to follow
[10:24] Speaker 3: it to where it didn't want me.
[10:32] Speaker 2: For that signing, that sting. That's about it for that
[10:36] Speaker 2: sighting I have had. We have had other experiences here, ah,
[10:42] Speaker 2: We've heard.
[10:44] Speaker 3: The call knocks. Some of them are can explain by what.
[10:50] Speaker 3: It's windy and the trees are swaying and granted, knocking together.
[10:56] Speaker 3: You expect to hear that when it's dead still and
[10:59] Speaker 3: you walk up in the woods. We're sitting outside and
[11:02] Speaker 3: and you hear that the stink of pop of what
[11:05] Speaker 3: that's wood or maybe maybe they do it with their
[11:11] Speaker 3: with their something something with their body.
[11:13] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[11:18] Speaker 3: We've had pebbles thrown at us in the woods. We've well,
[11:25] Speaker 3: i've heard, uh the thrashing around in a brush and
[11:31] Speaker 3: and there's something that we fourent out of the ground.
[11:34] Speaker 2: We didn't to investigate.
[11:35] Speaker 3: Because they figured that was, you know, some kind of
[11:39] Speaker 3: territorial or rest of display. And we've heard we've seen
[11:50] Speaker 3: the eye shining in the woods. It's usually amber reddish,
[11:58] Speaker 3: uh hm, but it's only been a quick, you know,
[12:03] Speaker 3: peak from from a high a tree, peek.
[12:05] Speaker 2: Back and again. Deer and bears don't do that.
[12:14] Speaker 3: I have done gifting or nound tier and I have
[12:17] Speaker 3: gotten a I placed a piece of fruit on the
[12:22] Speaker 3: stump up in the woods behind the house, went back
[12:26] Speaker 3: a number of days later, and there was a rock
[12:28] Speaker 3: placed where the fruit had been and I think I
[12:35] Speaker 3: mentioned to you I was working on a case down
[12:37] Speaker 3: the road front from me. If it's okay, if I
[12:41] Speaker 3: can I talk about that.
[12:43] Speaker 1: A little bit sure By all means, the.
[12:47] Speaker 2: Case I'm working on is a friend of the family.
[12:53] Speaker 3: He's had experiences at his previous property, and also this
[12:58] Speaker 3: one previous property. I was gonna work on it, but
[13:04] Speaker 3: he left that property, so I'm not able to go there.
[13:09] Speaker 3: This property he's had, he's had two or three sightings.
[13:13] Speaker 3: The first sighting, he he said he was outside abound
[13:18] Speaker 3: two in the morning, sitting at his on his porch
[13:22] Speaker 3: side of his house, and he's got a small property
[13:27] Speaker 3: maybe about acre and a half acre and a quarter
[13:30] Speaker 3: a lot, and there is woods on the other side
[13:33] Speaker 3: in the back. He texted me saying, hey, I you
[13:41] Speaker 3: know I saw this thing last night. Didn't see the body,
[13:45] Speaker 3: always saw always the eyes, and he said, if he
[13:48] Speaker 3: could come down, I can show you where I saw it.
[13:53] Speaker 3: He said the eyes were about six and a half
[13:56] Speaker 3: seven foot up to our limb or apple tree in
[13:59] Speaker 3: the front.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Yard, and they were green eye shine Grant.
[14:06] Speaker 3: Granted, you know, he doesn't have the greatest light for
[14:09] Speaker 3: his outside. He has these little solar lights on the
[14:14] Speaker 3: side of the house and then he has this little
[14:20] Speaker 3: tap light he wears or Bill's hat. Doesn't give you
[14:23] Speaker 3: that much detail on a subject with the eye shine.
[14:27] Speaker 3: He said it.
[14:28] Speaker 2: Moved from.
[14:32] Speaker 3: By his by his s one shed, across his driveway
[14:36] Speaker 3: and behind his his warehouse. And then he said, he
[14:42] Speaker 3: said it peeked out from behind the warehouse. So and
[14:48] Speaker 3: he said he didn't know what it was, so he
[14:50] Speaker 3: went inside to get his rifle. By the time he
[14:54] Speaker 3: came out, it was going and he was only inside
[14:56] Speaker 3: maybe a minute tops to g rifle and ammunition. So
[15:03] Speaker 3: I went down day day after and unfortunately his his
[15:11] Speaker 3: his his yard isn't inducive to collecting prints. But I
[15:18] Speaker 3: saw where this is. This thing had come up from
[15:21] Speaker 3: from from the quick bottom over the bank. And then
[15:24] Speaker 3: I had, I guess you'd say, you know, by logic,
[15:31] Speaker 3: followed this path of what have taken up into the
[15:35] Speaker 3: up to the pass to the next property over. And
[15:42] Speaker 3: I went back a couple of days later and did
[15:47] Speaker 3: overnight investigation. UH for the first hour or two didn't
[15:57] Speaker 3: have really any action or any UH experiences. I had
[16:04] Speaker 3: a recorder sitting on one hood of his truck, and
[16:13] Speaker 3: I was just looking around with the light.
[16:15] Speaker 2: In my R and down into the down to the
[16:19] Speaker 2: quick bottom and I had movement.
[16:25] Speaker 3: Well, the brushdown in the cuicker this time of years
[16:28] Speaker 3: is so thick you can't really see down, and the
[16:32] Speaker 3: I R just shows a white wall of of the
[16:39] Speaker 3: light back to the lens. I got that recorded on
[16:45] Speaker 3: my audio.
[16:49] Speaker 2: Again.
[16:51] Speaker 3: I was taking first, maybe deer, something natural, but the
[16:54] Speaker 3: cadence was all wrong. It was like if you with
[17:00] Speaker 3: to a person walking into the woods. You hear the crunch, crunch, crunch,
[17:04] Speaker 3: crunch of leaves down down down the bottom of the
[17:07] Speaker 3: crick h After that it stopped maybe a ten minutes
[17:16] Speaker 3: after that. It's but it's so steep down there you
[17:21] Speaker 3: can't without a rope or some kind of of device
[17:25] Speaker 3: to help you get up and down. After that, I decided, well,
[17:37] Speaker 3: I'll sit in an instruct for a while and run
[17:39] Speaker 3: the I R and and help the audio up on
[17:42] Speaker 3: top of the roof of.
[17:42] Speaker 2: The car in the truck and I ran the ran
[17:47] Speaker 2: the UH, the the UH audio for eight hours that night.
[17:54] Speaker 2: I'm still going over it.
[17:56] Speaker 3: I think I have a possible knock on on it
[17:59] Speaker 3: from that from from that direction facing away from the
[18:02] Speaker 3: house on the creek side.
[18:06] Speaker 2: You can hear the cars going by in the mine.
[18:08] Speaker 3: There's the mind of I'm out on the road. You
[18:11] Speaker 3: hear the mine sounds of that that round. But this
[18:15] Speaker 3: knock is closer to the to the quarter than it
[18:19] Speaker 3: is farther away. As for the ir recording facing out
[18:25] Speaker 3: to the orchard where the apple trees are, didn't get
[18:30] Speaker 3: anything on that.
[18:35] Speaker 2: I know about. He said about.
[18:40] Speaker 3: K thirty four o'clock in the morning, he came out,
[18:42] Speaker 3: and I was passed out of sleeping in the truck
[18:48] Speaker 3: because he gave me the truck to sleep in for
[18:50] Speaker 3: a night, to charge my phone and the camera and
[18:53] Speaker 3: iron everything. Because he came out, he said he heard
[18:57] Speaker 3: something rustling around on where he was doing some work
[19:02] Speaker 3: on the house. When I told him, I said, well,
[19:07] Speaker 3: I'll go through the audio and see what I find.
[19:11] Speaker 3: I haven't found that section in the audio yet, so
[19:14] Speaker 3: I said, I've been busy with stuff around my own property.
[19:18] Speaker 3: And then this last camp out was less in the team.
[19:22] Speaker 3: He called me again, texted me again, maybe three four
[19:28] Speaker 3: days ago. He said, I had another sighting. This time
[19:32] Speaker 3: there were two, he said. When it came out on
[19:35] Speaker 3: all fours, they looked like a dog would go on
[19:38] Speaker 3: all fours and then they stood up and started walking,
[19:43] Speaker 3: and again there'd be an eye shine.
[19:45] Speaker 2: He said.
[19:45] Speaker 3: There was one that was closer to the house. Now
[19:49] Speaker 3: there's a fence behind that wild house. One was closer
[19:51] Speaker 3: to that fence line, and one was out more towards
[19:54] Speaker 3: the road. Well, I said, okay, So I said, I'm
[20:04] Speaker 3: not gonna come out again and do another investigation every night. Uh,
[20:08] Speaker 3: I said, I can't guarantee anything, but I'll do my
[20:11] Speaker 3: best on the second investigation. So I'm planning on going
[20:18] Speaker 3: out out there tomorrow evening when it's not raining and
[20:24] Speaker 3: not cold or too cold.
[20:27] Speaker 2: Uh.
[20:31] Speaker 3: He said again with the green I shine. This guy is,
[20:37] Speaker 3: you know, not type to the idea. He's he's an old,
[20:44] Speaker 3: older gentleman and he's you know, he's been in this
[20:53] Speaker 3: holler for entire life. And you know, if you know
[20:57] Speaker 3: anything about the holler folks in this state, any any
[21:01] Speaker 3: state in Appalachet, they don't. They're not ones to to
[21:06] Speaker 3: to embellish on things like this. She did have no
[21:13] Speaker 3: witness there but that the second sighting. But that witness said,
[21:18] Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not going to believe it until I
[21:20] Speaker 3: see it up close, and I kind of told that person,
[21:24] Speaker 3: I said, well, it's rare to be that close. And
[21:30] Speaker 3: if you're that close, and you may not still believe it,
[21:35] Speaker 3: because you're going to be thinking if you're crazy. So
[21:45] Speaker 3: as for that, that's about it right now where where
[21:47] Speaker 3: I'm on on the on the investigation, I'm doing some
[21:51] Speaker 3: research into the area. Like I said, I know we
[21:56] Speaker 3: have the draft the monster, and in this area in
[22:00] Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven Robert Cockrell saw along with the other
[22:04] Speaker 3: side drive downtown Grafton. But I don't believe that's I'm
[22:09] Speaker 3: dealing with her. That's a whole different uh ball game
[22:15] Speaker 3: in my opinion to what the song. What I've seen,
[22:23] Speaker 3: and that's about all I have in a case I'm
[22:30] Speaker 3: working on.
[22:32] Speaker 1: Is that area known for sasquatch sightings.
[22:36] Speaker 3: Not particularly, I mean there have been sightings up up
[22:40] Speaker 3: at up at up to the lake, up the lake
[22:43] Speaker 3: at at at at at the park here at the
[22:48] Speaker 3: state Park, there have been some sightings and there have
[22:51] Speaker 3: been some some Prince found but Grafton is not really
[22:56] Speaker 3: a hot spot. I would I would say.
[23:01] Speaker 1: It sounds to me like Grafton does have a lot
[23:03] Speaker 1: of things to offer a Sasquatch. So do you have
[23:06] Speaker 1: any idea why it's not more popular of a place
[23:08] Speaker 1: for them.
[23:09] Speaker 2: Apparently, Well, you have uh places like Davis and Elkins
[23:18] Speaker 2: to to your southwest.
[23:20] Speaker 3: And and and uh west from the east southeast east,
[23:24] Speaker 3: Sorry about that. And they're a lot more bigger in
[23:31] Speaker 3: the in the Big Point area, more sightings of people,
[23:35] Speaker 3: you know, being out there, more for hunting and camping
[23:38] Speaker 3: and all that.
[23:40] Speaker 2: Uh.
[23:42] Speaker 3: And you have Sutton, of course, Sutton has the has
[23:46] Speaker 3: the big quit exum and the festive Lawyer every year,
[23:51] Speaker 3: and of course the of course where Sutton goes the
[23:53] Speaker 3: flat what's monster and all that. Rafton pretty much just
[24:00] Speaker 3: known for the graft and monster. But back back in
[24:02] Speaker 3: the back in the sixties seen by by Robert cockle
[24:09] Speaker 3: less Odell, who's I says, I'm a team there. He's
[24:13] Speaker 3: taken you know, some reports or heard some reports in
[24:17] Speaker 3: the area on graft and not too many. That's you know,
[24:24] Speaker 3: like I said, it's not really been a hotspot. I mean,
[24:28] Speaker 3: I mean, we have a lot of farm land and
[24:30] Speaker 3: a lot of the forest around here, and a lot
[24:33] Speaker 3: of your more sightings are going to be up up
[24:38] Speaker 3: at at at Tiger Lakes State Park.
[24:41] Speaker 2: Which is a state park here.
[24:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just one of those things that it is
[24:46] Speaker 1: hard for me to wrap my head around. Again. I've
[24:48] Speaker 1: never been to Grafton, but listening to you describe the area,
[24:51] Speaker 1: sure sounds like it's got a lot of resources where
[24:54] Speaker 1: a Sasquatch would be proud to call that area at home.
[24:57] Speaker 1: Maybe it's a situation whether there are tons of them around,
[25:00] Speaker 1: but they just don't make their presence known all that much.
[25:03] Speaker 1: It's really hard to say. You told us about how
[25:06] Speaker 1: you do field investigations with Lesso a dell there. How'd
[25:09] Speaker 1: you find out about him?
[25:10] Speaker 2: Now? Well, they or not.
[25:15] Speaker 3: I was looking for for, you know, something to watch
[25:18] Speaker 3: one day when we were waiting to go somewhere.
[25:22] Speaker 2: My wife and I found.
[25:24] Speaker 3: Uh, the small town Monsters and particularly the big Foot
[25:30] Speaker 3: beat Beyond the Trail episodes with With with Alex Petakov
[25:36] Speaker 3: and a couple of episodes were here in West Virginia
[25:40] Speaker 3: and featured less on them showing them around his areas
[25:45] Speaker 3: over in Oakins and Davis at at Law Forcane Loop
[25:51] Speaker 3: and Dolly Sides, And that's where I first learned about
[25:56] Speaker 3: less I'm like, well, he's local and I never thought
[26:00] Speaker 3: I meet him and I ended up meeting him.
[26:05] Speaker 2: Last year downtown at the Grafton and Monster Festival.
[26:10] Speaker 3: And him I became friends and everything. And we had
[26:16] Speaker 3: we had our first camp out you know, as a group,
[26:19] Speaker 3: not really a formalized team yet last October.
[26:25] Speaker 2: The twenty sixth to the twenty eighth last year at
[26:30] Speaker 2: Lall Fork of Milicans, and we had a good we
[26:37] Speaker 2: had a good time. Uh.
[26:41] Speaker 3: I'm going to say maybe February of this year is
[26:46] Speaker 3: when we formalized being the WV Case Bigfoot Collectives collective team.
[26:55] Speaker 3: And we had our second animal.
[26:58] Speaker 2: Camp out at at the at the Canane Loop area
[27:04] Speaker 2: of Davis back in April, and we had some you know,
[27:11] Speaker 2: we found some stuff there.
[27:13] Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it could be human, could be
[27:16] Speaker 3: could be sasquatch. We're not We're not hunder percent sure
[27:22] Speaker 3: because there were people there around the area at the
[27:26] Speaker 3: same time we were there. And then, like I said,
[27:32] Speaker 3: we had our third camp out the weekend of the tenth.
[27:38] Speaker 2: Through twelfth of this month. And I'll tell you one thing.
[27:44] Speaker 3: When I first met Less, I was kind of intimidated
[27:49] Speaker 3: and start struck at the same time because I was
[27:53] Speaker 3: walking around filming for my channel on YouTube, which is
[27:55] Speaker 3: outdoor channel. We're hunting a fishing and I walk I
[28:02] Speaker 3: walk up and I see him. He looked, he looks
[28:05] Speaker 3: at me and he does that commire gesture with a finger.
[28:10] Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, uh, that's less odell. What did I
[28:15] Speaker 3: do wrong?
[28:17] Speaker 2: I came over.
[28:18] Speaker 3: I came over to him, and he goes, what's your
[28:21] Speaker 3: what's your can on on YouTube? I'm like, okay, it's
[28:25] Speaker 3: a three or quick out doors, but I'm here covering,
[28:28] Speaker 3: you know, the the.
[28:29] Speaker 2: Equat side of things in outdoors. And uh, he goes, well,
[28:38] Speaker 2: you know you haven't had any sayings or anything.
[28:41] Speaker 3: We'll talk about you. I'm lawyers and uh me and
[28:45] Speaker 3: my wife Sam, we talked to him a little bit
[28:48] Speaker 3: about things. We don't really give out our general you know, area,
[28:53] Speaker 3: and we don't give out a property location too much
[28:57] Speaker 3: because you know, privacy and not really you know a
[29:01] Speaker 3: lot of people up here in our woods. And I'm
[29:05] Speaker 3: sure you can understand that. But like I said, I
[29:13] Speaker 3: met him last year and uh, I said before vest team, uh,
[29:20] Speaker 3: February of this year, and it's been long but ever since.
[29:24] Speaker 2: Uh, there are five of us. There were sex of us.
[29:29] Speaker 3: There are five of us who cover our general areas.
[29:33] Speaker 3: I cover UH cover Mott County, which is Taylor County
[29:40] Speaker 3: or Preston County if I have to.
[29:43] Speaker 2: One member Tammy Uh, I'm not a friend of Lessons.
[29:46] Speaker 3: She covers UH, Morgantown and and and Mona and Gelia County.
[29:52] Speaker 3: Our other member, Danny Buckner, covers UH around us around
[29:59] Speaker 3: Beckley and that area. I believe that's Randolph County or
[30:07] Speaker 3: a Fayette County. I'm I'm not quite sure. I forget
[30:13] Speaker 3: and less covers UH Marion County and anywhere else he
[30:19] Speaker 3: needs to be. And our other one member, Tony, lives
[30:22] Speaker 3: in Jersey and he we call him the Man of
[30:29] Speaker 3: the Man of fifty five counties, so he'll cover whatever wherever.
[30:33] Speaker 2: He needs to go.
[30:36] Speaker 1: Sounds like you guys cover a pretty wide area.
[30:40] Speaker 2: We try to.
[30:41] Speaker 3: I mean, there are some parts of the state that
[30:43] Speaker 3: we can't get to because we know, you know, working,
[30:48] Speaker 3: working and then having you know, personal lives and stuff
[30:52] Speaker 3: and not being able to.
[30:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time.
[30:55] Speaker 3: So I'm sure there are numerous more reports and sightings
[31:01] Speaker 3: that don't you know, don't hear about. But us being
[31:08] Speaker 3: you know, a pretty new team to to the UH,
[31:12] Speaker 3: to to the light.
[31:15] Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get you know, more cases in the future.
[31:21] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure that's a given. It's just a matter
[31:23] Speaker 1: of time. When you went on your first field investigation
[31:27] Speaker 1: with less, was there anything about the experience that was
[31:30] Speaker 1: different than you expected? If so, what was different?
[31:35] Speaker 3: Well, I'm a little bit bitter, guys, I've I'm that
[31:40] Speaker 3: I used to be it used to be heavy, and
[31:43] Speaker 3: and that was you know, kind of you know, I
[31:45] Speaker 3: lost base on the move here and with Sam everything
[31:49] Speaker 3: and I had you know, yeah, I grew up in
[31:52] Speaker 3: the woods and outdoors and you know, I can a fishing,
[31:55] Speaker 3: but I you know, let myself go for a couple
[31:57] Speaker 3: of years because I was taking our family who was
[32:01] Speaker 3: sick before I moved here. The thing that's different about
[32:08] Speaker 3: it was, you know, I expect that area to be
[32:11] Speaker 3: as as pretty as it is. You know, it's you know,
[32:17] Speaker 3: Law of Fork is a it's a it's a valley,
[32:21] Speaker 3: a big, real wide valley, and you had the campground
[32:24] Speaker 3: in the middle and the the law running through the
[32:29] Speaker 3: middle of it. We didn't really have too much activity
[32:40] Speaker 3: on my first my first field field investigation. On the
[32:44] Speaker 3: first day, we were basically exploring around the area around
[32:48] Speaker 3: the campground in that in that area, we had what
[32:54] Speaker 3: we thought we heard them. It was maybe some rock
[32:57] Speaker 3: clacks and maybe a whistle. And we had thought we
[33:02] Speaker 3: heard maybe talking up around the bend the river point.
[33:06] Speaker 3: We had big one too, but that but least a
[33:11] Speaker 3: couple of the other guys.
[33:12] Speaker 2: Have went out there around that bend and didn't see anything.
[33:16] Speaker 3: Because I was I was thinking, I said, well, maybe
[33:18] Speaker 3: there's some some some some people up there, you know,
[33:22] Speaker 3: fishing or or or you know, just out hiking.
[33:28] Speaker 2: Wasn't anybody out there?
[33:32] Speaker 3: The second day we went to a place where less
[33:36] Speaker 3: you know has been before a lot of times.
[33:38] Speaker 2: Uh. It's a place called Butchered. Their name uh uh.
[33:50] Speaker 3: Oceola is the name of the of the area. And
[33:54] Speaker 3: the the in the area is not not a lot
[33:57] Speaker 3: of parking. There's a place on a trail you can
[34:00] Speaker 3: two vehicles, you know, back to back or side to
[34:02] Speaker 3: side if you have to. We went up, yeah, and
[34:10] Speaker 3: we have maybe the team that split into two groups.
[34:15] Speaker 3: One went up on one side of the creek the
[34:19] Speaker 3: creek and me and Lesson Tammy and his and let's
[34:23] Speaker 3: his son Mason.
[34:24] Speaker 2: Then one to the one side the other side of
[34:28] Speaker 2: the crypt. We went up. We found a print.
[34:31] Speaker 3: It was maybe a size nine.
[34:35] Speaker 2: H s and shoe.
[34:37] Speaker 3: So we figured this pie a person wearing you know,
[34:42] Speaker 3: the smaller foot maybe you know up there hiking around
[34:45] Speaker 3: or up there and you setting up for hot season.
[34:50] Speaker 2: We found where something had went across a a the
[34:56] Speaker 2: root of a tree and a log, and the moss
[34:59] Speaker 2: had been you know, brushed off. And then I told
[35:06] Speaker 2: Lesson said that could have.
[35:07] Speaker 3: Been you know, bear, the person or anything natural, because
[35:12] Speaker 3: when we're we're not going to one hundred percent say
[35:14] Speaker 3: it was big foot. As for the third part of that,
[35:20] Speaker 3: that day we went up to where he ever be
[35:24] Speaker 3: told about and found before a tree structure or a
[35:28] Speaker 3: supposed tree structure. Well, some of the stuff when my
[35:33] Speaker 3: structure can be explained by dead fallow or people maybe.
[35:39] Speaker 3: But the one part gets me is the cross member
[35:42] Speaker 3: top where it's this branch or a smaller log laying
[35:48] Speaker 3: perfectly horizontal to the to the ground on the line,
[35:53] Speaker 3: and all the all these other limbs and logs play
[35:57] Speaker 3: in this tree. Now you know, again I can't say
[36:03] Speaker 3: that it's a punter big foot. It could have been
[36:05] Speaker 3: somebody up there, you know, doing bushcraft or just you know,
[36:09] Speaker 3: wanting to, you know, make somebody think that was bigfoot.
[36:13] Speaker 3: But the area is kind of hard to get into
[36:16] Speaker 3: because you have to go up you know, there's no
[36:19] Speaker 3: really established trails, and not a lot of people you know,
[36:23] Speaker 3: know about it aside from people who are up there,
[36:26] Speaker 3: you know, locally hunting or lived there locally. I did
[36:32] Speaker 3: have one funny part of that exhibition where we went
[36:37] Speaker 3: out a different way than me came in. We went
[36:40] Speaker 3: out and I found out that this part of this
[36:42] Speaker 3: area was a bug. And I found it out it
[36:46] Speaker 3: was because my left legs that sank down into the
[36:50] Speaker 3: bog got me deep and Danny was on the wind
[36:57] Speaker 3: radio calling lesson it was by something Settle hang on,
[37:01] Speaker 3: Dave stuck. Yeah, so it we had we we we
[37:07] Speaker 3: we we had a one half of a time, you know,
[37:10] Speaker 3: getting me out of that because when a bog, you know,
[37:14] Speaker 3: you get your foot, it doesn't want to it doesn't
[37:17] Speaker 3: want want.
[37:18] Speaker 2: To want to let go.
[37:22] Speaker 3: And I was sure I was going to lose lose
[37:23] Speaker 3: a boot that day when we got out and I
[37:30] Speaker 3: just I said, okay, you know, I'm done with the
[37:34] Speaker 3: with the part of the area for the day.
[37:39] Speaker 2: I'm I'm ready to go back to to to the
[37:42] Speaker 2: trucks that that lad was was soaked and I had
[37:47] Speaker 2: you know, water and right inside of the boat and everything.
[37:51] Speaker 3: Uh So then after that, you know, I said, not
[37:57] Speaker 3: much happened on that you know trip, that campound that
[38:02] Speaker 3: that field field field investigation. Our second field investigation was
[38:09] Speaker 3: this past April at uh at at the at the
[38:13] Speaker 3: Canaane Loop area around Davis.
[38:17] Speaker 2: That one.
[38:20] Speaker 3: We went out to where less they had been before,
[38:23] Speaker 3: you know, and had taken Alex and and I and
[38:26] Speaker 3: I from from from from beyond the trail. In one
[38:31] Speaker 3: of the episodes, we found some some some some footprints
[38:38] Speaker 3: and some some and and of course you know, let's
[38:40] Speaker 3: showed us the time before the rock stack. Uh yeah,
[38:45] Speaker 3: what I seen before. You know, the rocks stack rocks,
[38:49] Speaker 3: and these rocks are are heavy, and they're clean, and
[38:52] Speaker 3: they didn't come from from around around the area where
[38:54] Speaker 3: they're at. And our thinking on that is, okay, who's
[39:00] Speaker 3: going to carry rocks across the swamp just just to
[39:05] Speaker 3: stack them up in this you know this you know
[39:08] Speaker 3: tower like you know uh form, I mean, any same
[39:15] Speaker 3: person is not going to do that just to do it.
[39:21] Speaker 3: As for the footprints, you know, and I said, that
[39:23] Speaker 3: there are people coming and going during that weekend, but
[39:27] Speaker 3: it was raining, so who's on Who's again, Who's who's
[39:31] Speaker 3: across the swamp to go over the hiking Me and
[39:35] Speaker 3: my friend Danny Buckner, we had found what we call
[39:38] Speaker 3: the trackway, and this is a series of maybe thirteen fourteen,
[39:44] Speaker 3: maybe fifteen tracks, you know, going out from the from
[39:49] Speaker 3: the woodline to the swamp, and they were following the
[39:53] Speaker 3: deer tracks. What's weird about that trackway is that there
[39:59] Speaker 3: was one set of tracks that turned around like it
[40:03] Speaker 3: was looking behind it, behind itself.
[40:07] Speaker 2: And we still haven't we and we still haven't been
[40:09] Speaker 2: able to figure that that one out.
[40:14] Speaker 3: That weekend was a lot of rain and wind and mud,
[40:19] Speaker 3: kind of miserable except for the first day and then
[40:22] Speaker 3: then the second day we went up and we explored
[40:24] Speaker 3: Dollar sides. Didn't really do any squats in that area.
[40:29] Speaker 3: We just went up to look at bare rocks and
[40:31] Speaker 3: what they call the the magic tree, which is uh uh,
[40:38] Speaker 3: a pine some kind of cypress or pine tree that
[40:42] Speaker 3: grows in this little cove of pines around it.
[40:46] Speaker 2: And it's pretty mum hum.
[40:51] Speaker 3: This last this last Campion trip, we had what I
[40:57] Speaker 3: call it the expedition that we had.
[41:00] Speaker 2: Uh nice past weekend.
[41:03] Speaker 3: But we can before last weekend and uh all fourk again,
[41:10] Speaker 3: I'll tell you when we got there it was eerily,
[41:14] Speaker 3: eerily quiet. You really hear hear birds that much? You
[41:20] Speaker 3: really seeing squirrels. You know, I saw maybe three deer.
[41:25] Speaker 2: And the entire.
[41:26] Speaker 3: Weekend when I went up on the high road above
[41:32] Speaker 3: this the smap area and the blog and the creek.
[41:38] Speaker 2: You know that that now, that day was a weird experience.
[41:43] Speaker 2: M hmm. But I'll tell you about the first day first.
[41:47] Speaker 3: Uh, Danny, Danny and me and uh someone someone someone
[41:54] Speaker 3: that Danny and Less had met and met at.
[41:58] Speaker 2: This year is big for Festival Down the Sun and
[42:02] Speaker 2: his name is Chris Me.
[42:05] Speaker 3: Chris and Danny went out to the on the trail
[42:08] Speaker 3: behind camp to set up an audio and and a
[42:14] Speaker 3: camera trap that Danny had built. We set it up
[42:18] Speaker 3: and again I said, it was it was early quiet,
[42:21] Speaker 3: and we setting it up and we thought we heard
[42:26] Speaker 3: what was a whistle, now a low whistle. Often to myself,
[42:31] Speaker 3: well maybe it could have been through the pine trees,
[42:34] Speaker 3: but it it was too low to the ground, and
[42:39] Speaker 3: it was you know, on the ridge overlooking above where
[42:44] Speaker 3: we were in this field, and I thought.
[42:50] Speaker 2: I told Danny about it.
[42:52] Speaker 3: I said, well, I ran the recorder and if I
[42:55] Speaker 3: find anything on it, I'll, you know, I'll send it
[42:58] Speaker 3: to everybody. So that was the first day, you know,
[43:02] Speaker 3: you know, we just you know, sat around the campfire
[43:04] Speaker 3: after that, you know, telling stories and experiences and everything.
[43:09] Speaker 3: The second day we went out again to Osiola. I
[43:15] Speaker 3: went up on this uh last Danny and Chris and
[43:21] Speaker 3: Tanny went down to the where we were last year.
[43:26] Speaker 3: I went up with a friend of the group's husband.
[43:30] Speaker 3: Her name is Vesta. Her husband's names and grandson, Brody
[43:34] Speaker 3: Neowen and Brodie went up to uh this uh grouse,
[43:39] Speaker 3: this uh grouse hunting area. I caught the high road
[43:45] Speaker 3: and we walked for maybe a mile and.
[43:50] Speaker 2: Or so.
[43:51] Speaker 3: Brodie and Owen broke off, you know, went one way
[43:54] Speaker 3: out Utayn the road and I was walking and I heard,
[43:59] Speaker 3: you know, this is whistling sound. Well I got I
[44:05] Speaker 3: got out my my my recorder.
[44:09] Speaker 2: And I turned it on and.
[44:13] Speaker 3: The first whistle, I mean, it could have been a bird,
[44:16] Speaker 3: but I'm doubtful because we didn't hear birds that much,
[44:19] Speaker 3: you know.
[44:20] Speaker 2: The weekend I recorded it. I'm pretty sure.
[44:28] Speaker 3: I got it on recording, and I was walking and
[44:32] Speaker 3: I heard something moving behind me. Well, I stopped and listened,
[44:37] Speaker 3: and I saw it was three deer, the only three
[44:40] Speaker 3: deer I have seen.
[44:41] Speaker 2: The whole weekend.
[44:43] Speaker 3: And I said, okay, and I started and I'm walking
[44:46] Speaker 3: along again, and I heard again, I heard her knock.
[44:54] Speaker 3: So I called on the radio down to the rest
[44:57] Speaker 3: of the team and I said, hey, guys, did did
[44:59] Speaker 3: anybody do it?
[45:00] Speaker 2: Not?
[45:01] Speaker 3: I didn't the response, and I started walking again. I'm like, okay, now,
[45:09] Speaker 3: maybe maybe it was them, and they didn't hear another video,
[45:13] Speaker 3: and then I was walking a little bit further and
[45:16] Speaker 3: I heard that, you know that, like like somebody trying
[45:21] Speaker 3: to try trying to get your attention to whistle, And okay, okay,
[45:28] Speaker 3: I definitely got the recording and that definitely wasn't me
[45:32] Speaker 3: and I from where it was, it wasn't Owen Brodie
[45:35] Speaker 3: because they were, you know, a couple of miles back,
[45:38] Speaker 3: a mile or so back on a separate path, and
[45:43] Speaker 3: from where they were where I wouldn't have hurt them.
[45:46] Speaker 3: And I called them the radio again down there lesson
[45:48] Speaker 3: Danny and then and I said, did you guys will whistle.
[45:53] Speaker 3: Well maybe two minutes later less and all of them
[45:59] Speaker 3: come up from where they are. Danny said, I was
[46:04] Speaker 3: about ready to answer you on the second time when
[46:07] Speaker 3: you heard, you know, said in a whistle, And I said,
[46:09] Speaker 3: that wasn't us with a knock and the whistle. I'm like, okay,
[46:15] Speaker 3: so I don't know what that was.
[46:17] Speaker 2: Then. I didn't see anything. I just heard it.
[46:22] Speaker 3: And by myself. No, this is weird. I'm by myself
[46:30] Speaker 3: right now. When I heard these things, I'm like, that's
[46:34] Speaker 3: a good thing.
[46:35] Speaker 2: I have the the the the bigknife for me this time,
[46:39] Speaker 2: because I don't know if there's somebody who is playing
[46:42] Speaker 2: mussing around or you know, it was actually, you know,
[46:47] Speaker 2: a big foot. You always are inside of caution.
[46:51] Speaker 3: When you're out in the woods like that. So we
[46:56] Speaker 3: all got together and we started walking up and on
[46:59] Speaker 3: the road and we got about I made a quarter
[47:04] Speaker 3: mile up and let's split off from me. Danny, Cammy
[47:10] Speaker 3: and Chris and he went down looking for these beaver
[47:14] Speaker 3: pines that were an area. And we were doing calls
[47:20] Speaker 3: back and you know, back and forth, and once a
[47:23] Speaker 3: while didn't get anything response to those. Well don't say
[47:31] Speaker 3: it was quiet, really quiet, which was weird in it
[47:36] Speaker 3: self because normally when we were there, you know, birds
[47:39] Speaker 3: us in and you know, you see squirrels and everything.
[47:43] Speaker 3: You see the birds. Look, you see the birds, you know,
[47:45] Speaker 3: flipping into through the trees and everything. We were walking
[47:51] Speaker 3: back down the road towards the gate at the bottom
[47:55] Speaker 3: of the road, and we were.
[47:57] Speaker 2: Walking along and let's says.
[48:00] Speaker 3: Hold up a minute, I have seen something dark, you know, move,
[48:05] Speaker 3: you know, through through this gap in the trees down there,
[48:10] Speaker 3: maybe fifty sixty yards away. And he goes down and
[48:16] Speaker 3: he said, there's nothing there, a prince or anything in
[48:19] Speaker 3: the leaves, but you can see where something big, you know,
[48:21] Speaker 3: went down over the bank and there are these two
[48:24] Speaker 3: forked sticks at the bottom of this tree, you know,
[48:27] Speaker 3: stuck in the ground. And he said, where I saw that.
[48:32] Speaker 3: That there's you know, these three orange marks went where
[48:38] Speaker 3: they're going to cut on the trees down. Okay, Well
[48:44] Speaker 3: that's you know strange. And Danny had a sighting the
[48:50] Speaker 3: same day at the same time up and you know
[48:55] Speaker 3: about that time, you know, I went to Brodie, have
[48:59] Speaker 3: you hey go that had we joined the group from
[49:02] Speaker 3: behind us and it wasn't that they saw it first.
[49:06] Speaker 3: The second time you said, he says something it was us,
[49:12] Speaker 3: and uh, yeah, the first two settings we can't explain,
[49:19] Speaker 3: you know, you know, logically, because I said, there wasn't
[49:24] Speaker 3: really any deer, it seems, except for those three that
[49:27] Speaker 3: had gone across the road and up the mountain.
[49:29] Speaker 2: More I said, I'm still going.
[49:36] Speaker 3: Through through through the audio front front from that from that, uh,
[49:39] Speaker 3: from now, and so hopefully I captured more than just
[49:43] Speaker 3: you know, those you know sounds I had told you
[49:46] Speaker 3: I heard it. So it's it's, it's it's it's been
[49:53] Speaker 3: interesting that the past year and a half.
[49:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah, you're still getting your
[50:00] Speaker 1: feet wet when it comes to being an investigator, but
[50:03] Speaker 1: sure sounds to me like you're off to a great start.
[50:05] Speaker 1: So yeah, that's definitely a good thing. When you had
[50:09] Speaker 1: your first sighting Dave and Jane of last year, can
[50:12] Speaker 1: you think of anything you experienced that you think is
[50:14] Speaker 1: lost on people who have never seen the Sasquatch?
[50:19] Speaker 2: Just as I said, the all and the holy Emily,
[50:23] Speaker 2: Holy Moly, feeling like and then no, no, it can't be.
[50:30] Speaker 2: You know, in your mind you're thinking, no, it can't be. Yeah,
[50:35] Speaker 2: you know, I believe in that they put one percent.
[50:40] Speaker 2: But I never thought, you know, I you know, have
[50:42] Speaker 2: my you know very own you know experience in sightings.
[50:46] Speaker 1: You never do until you actually have the experience. And
[50:49] Speaker 1: be honest, Now, when you have that first sighting, were
[50:52] Speaker 1: you actually thinking holy Moly, Holy Moly or something else?
[50:57] Speaker 2: I was thinking Holy Emily, And now I was thinking, well,
[50:59] Speaker 2: it's three in the morning, and I'm kind of tired.
[51:02] Speaker 2: Am I seeing things or you know? I came back
[51:06] Speaker 2: and I said, the next morning, I can't next that
[51:10] Speaker 2: there weren't In the morning, I told Sam about my wife. Sam.
[51:15] Speaker 3: I said, I couldn't have been because I was awake,
[51:17] Speaker 3: because you know, I said, Teddy Bart, I was awake
[51:21] Speaker 3: and I had gotten up and and.
[51:24] Speaker 2: Once I'm up, you know, in the morning, I'm pretty
[51:27] Speaker 2: much awake. But I told her, I.
[51:30] Speaker 3: Said, maybe I was seeing things just and I said,
[51:33] Speaker 3: but I can't be.
[51:34] Speaker 2: I was awake.
[51:36] Speaker 1: Oh no, you weren't seeing things. You saw what you saw,
[51:39] Speaker 1: and that's all there is to it. Surprisingly, that sighting
[51:42] Speaker 1: lasted one to two minutes. You said, was there anything
[51:46] Speaker 1: that you noticed or took away from the sighting that
[51:48] Speaker 1: you don't think you would have noticed if the sighting
[51:50] Speaker 1: wouldn't have lasted so long.
[51:54] Speaker 3: The movement, you know, the movement was if you're if
[51:57] Speaker 3: you've ever seen the I'm sure you've seen the the
[52:00] Speaker 3: the the the Passion Demon film. It was that kind
[52:05] Speaker 3: of movement, but slower. No, like it was like maybe
[52:10] Speaker 3: it was older, you know, an older animal or older subject. No,
[52:17] Speaker 3: And I said, unfortunately I didn't see the face of
[52:21] Speaker 3: the eyes. I saw the general body of it, you know,
[52:25] Speaker 3: because it was you know, you know that a side profile.
[52:29] Speaker 1: I should say, well, you can only see what you
[52:33] Speaker 1: can see due to how he was positioned and how
[52:36] Speaker 1: he was moving away from you. And speaking of movement,
[52:39] Speaker 1: as the sasquatch was walking away from you, did you
[52:42] Speaker 1: notice it placing its feet directly under its body, consequently
[52:46] Speaker 1: forming prints that were in the straight line or is
[52:49] Speaker 1: that something that you didn't notice?
[52:51] Speaker 3: I said, I said, the first sighting, the first and
[52:53] Speaker 3: second sightings, there was the brush up here in the
[52:58] Speaker 3: tall grass up here on on that red shode across
[53:02] Speaker 3: from the house. So I didn't unfortunately I didn't see
[53:07] Speaker 3: its feet, but it seemed like it would have been
[53:11] Speaker 3: you know, making ile prints.
[53:14] Speaker 2: But the area is you know, a lot a lot
[53:16] Speaker 2: of you know, you know, deep leaf litter, and you
[53:19] Speaker 2: know and and and you know rock, So it's not
[53:23] Speaker 2: really that producive for a prince.
[53:25] Speaker 1: I should say, Oh, sure, that's totally understandable. You described
[53:31] Speaker 1: him as being a kind of almost dirty gray color.
[53:34] Speaker 1: You think it's possible that it might have been a
[53:37] Speaker 1: darker color. But he was just filthy. He was dirty,
[53:40] Speaker 1: and that just made him look that shade of dirty gray.
[53:44] Speaker 3: That's possible, that's possible. That's very possible. It could have
[53:49] Speaker 3: been like a lighter brown color. And the way the
[53:52] Speaker 3: lighting is on the on the house, on the side
[53:54] Speaker 3: of the house here, house here, it gives a a
[53:58] Speaker 3: grayish shoe to touch is So that's very, very possible.
[54:02] Speaker 2: It could have been you know that, you know, a
[54:05] Speaker 2: different color of that.
[54:07] Speaker 1: From what I saw, it probably wasn't the case. I mean,
[54:11] Speaker 1: these guys that normally seemed to be pretty clean, But
[54:14] Speaker 1: I mean, anything's possible. We are talking about beings of
[54:17] Speaker 1: the wild. So maybe he did get into something really
[54:20] Speaker 1: dirty and that's why he looked the way he did.
[54:22] Speaker 1: It's really hard to say. Like I said, now, your wife,
[54:26] Speaker 1: Sammy said, was only a person close to you who
[54:29] Speaker 1: you told about your sighting for some time you didn't
[54:32] Speaker 1: have any friends that you could trust not to laugh
[54:35] Speaker 1: at you back then.
[54:37] Speaker 2: Well, I did with less, but at the time the time,
[54:41] Speaker 2: I only know less.
[54:42] Speaker 3: Or maybe about a week to two weeks at time,
[54:46] Speaker 3: and I would really didn't, you know, I want to
[54:50] Speaker 3: bother him because I know, you know, with it, because
[54:53] Speaker 3: it ends you so so short of a sighting, you know,
[54:57] Speaker 3: and you know, me not really being.
[55:01] Speaker 2: Sure if if that's what I saw, I didn't want to,
[55:05] Speaker 2: you know.
[55:06] Speaker 3: And then of course my my my mom and my
[55:09] Speaker 3: dad cousins they're not really you know, believers, you know,
[55:14] Speaker 3: and they'd say, oh, it was just something else you saw.
[55:17] Speaker 3: You know how people say, you know, oh you're crazy
[55:20] Speaker 3: and all that.
[55:22] Speaker 1: Really is a shame you have to worry about that,
[55:24] Speaker 1: But it's understandable. That's how it is in a lot
[55:27] Speaker 1: of cases with regards to how people respond to being
[55:30] Speaker 1: told that sort of thing. When you had your second sighting,
[55:34] Speaker 1: you were on the phone. How close did you come
[55:36] Speaker 1: to just hanging up though, well, I can't.
[55:40] Speaker 2: What's the hand up? No, I didn't because I was,
[55:47] Speaker 2: you know, with my dad, and I don't talk to them,
[55:51] Speaker 2: I don't see them, you know that often so I
[55:54] Speaker 2: could talk to them a lot more.
[55:57] Speaker 3: And I saw this thing, and you know, I kind of,
[56:04] Speaker 3: you know, hint it. I was seeing something and my
[56:07] Speaker 3: dad was like, what what what is it?
[56:08] Speaker 2: I said, to be.
[56:10] Speaker 3: Honest, I don't know, because again, my dad's you know,
[56:12] Speaker 3: my dad was a gaining more than cart ranger for
[56:14] Speaker 3: for years. And you know, sure, I'm sure they I'm
[56:19] Speaker 3: sure that the die of seeing things, but they don't
[56:23] Speaker 3: talk about it. And if you don't mention anything about that,
[56:26] Speaker 3: you know, they kind of brush it off as that.
[56:29] Speaker 2: That's not what it was. It was something else. It
[56:30] Speaker 2: was a bear.
[56:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to be awfully frustrating. And I totally
[56:35] Speaker 1: understand why you didn't tell him then. But down the road,
[56:38] Speaker 1: have you ever told him what you actually saw?
[56:41] Speaker 3: I have, and he's like, well, you know, I'm not
[56:45] Speaker 3: going to you know, say you didn't see that, But
[56:48] Speaker 3: I'm also not going to you know, you know, confirm
[56:51] Speaker 3: you know it, you know.
[56:52] Speaker 2: Because I don't believe in.
[56:56] Speaker 3: But I support you what you're doing, you know, as
[56:58] Speaker 3: a you know, as a big foot.
[57:01] Speaker 1: Well that's a really good response. I'm impressed. There are
[57:05] Speaker 1: a lot of reasons behind why sasquatch investigators do what
[57:08] Speaker 1: they do, why do you investigate them?
[57:13] Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I've had a you know, curiosity,
[57:17] Speaker 3: you know, and you know, and you know, I've always
[57:22] Speaker 3: known there's more to the wilderness in our world than
[57:26] Speaker 3: just you know, the normal everyday wildlife that you see
[57:30] Speaker 3: on documentaries and pictures that in books that we learned
[57:34] Speaker 3: about in school.
[57:36] Speaker 2: And and when the woods goes and the woods go quiet, as.
[57:40] Speaker 3: They do, these things are around even when predators are known. No,
[57:47] Speaker 3: even when our creatures around it goes quiet, there's there's
[57:49] Speaker 3: something else in the woods with you. It's not just you,
[57:54] Speaker 3: and I especigate because I'm curious and I want to
[57:56] Speaker 3: learn more.
[57:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny how it works when the woods go
[58:00] Speaker 1: quiet like that. Not only do you find out a
[58:02] Speaker 1: lot about what's out there in the woods sharing the
[58:04] Speaker 1: woods with you, but in most cases, you find out
[58:07] Speaker 1: a lot about yourself. Like I said, it's really funny
[58:10] Speaker 1: how that works. Now, if things go sideways on a
[58:14] Speaker 1: field investigation between you, Tammy, and Less, who'd be the
[58:18] Speaker 1: most likely one to try to break the land speed record?
[58:21] Speaker 1: Heading back to.
[58:22] Speaker 4: The truck, Dave, ah Phbi me, I understand, you.
[58:33] Speaker 3: Know what they're my friends in all but you know,
[58:36] Speaker 3: friends have a saying a friends don't use friends as
[58:41] Speaker 3: big put food. Well, it comes down to it, if
[58:45] Speaker 3: it's me or them, it's funny me.
[58:49] Speaker 1: So you're coming clean and admitting if you notice less
[58:52] Speaker 1: moving past you heading back to the truck, you're not
[58:54] Speaker 1: above tripping them.
[58:55] Speaker 2: Then no, but I don't but you know, not not
[59:02] Speaker 2: not really, but.
[59:05] Speaker 1: No, I understand, I do. Well, we're almost done here.
[59:10] Speaker 1: With that said, please promote your YouTube channel one more
[59:12] Speaker 1: time for us.
[59:14] Speaker 3: My YouTube channel is three four Creak Outdoors. It's it's
[59:18] Speaker 3: all one, It's all one, all together those spaces, and
[59:25] Speaker 3: I have a mixture on there. I'm only small channel.
[59:28] Speaker 3: You know, maybe you know forty forty forty people who
[59:32] Speaker 3: watch me. I don't know if a lot of our
[59:35] Speaker 3: humans are not a cue bots. I have mixture on
[59:40] Speaker 3: there of hunting, fishing, and course you big footing. I
[59:44] Speaker 3: have the video of my post post investigation of my
[59:50] Speaker 3: last feel investigation on the.
[59:52] Speaker 2: Case I'm working on.
[59:55] Speaker 3: I explained, you know, everything that went wrong I was
[59:58] Speaker 3: told and I showed it examples of how the creature
[1:00:03] Speaker 3: was looking out from behind the whitehouse. Two neighbors you
[1:00:09] Speaker 3: know at a neighbor. And also on Facebook, I have
[1:00:17] Speaker 3: attached to my page the WV case Bigfoot Collective Taylor
[1:00:22] Speaker 3: County w V which is the which is you know,
[1:00:25] Speaker 3: because I'm the Taylor County I'm a Taylor County investigator
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: for the team, so you can find me find me
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: on there too.
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: Well, that makes it really easy and so everyone knows listening,
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: I'm going to post links to both Dave's YouTube channel
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: and also to the Bigfoot Collective. That way, if you
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: do want to report a citing to them, you can
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: do that very easily that way. And also if you
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: want to check out Dave's YouTube channel, which I hope
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: you do, of course, that'll make that really easy to
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: do as well. But having said all that, Dave, I
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing those
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: experiences with this. I really appreciate it.
[1:01:01] Speaker 2: If I'm at all, it's been.
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: Greed to have in you. And please remember if I
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: can never help you out, just let me know, all right. Well, yeah,
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: like I said, thanks again so much for your time
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: and have a great night.
[1:01:20] Speaker 4: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
[1:01:24] Speaker 4: Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would.
[1:01:27] Speaker 2: Like to be a guest on the show. Please go
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report.
[1:01:33] Speaker 4: We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: a great night.

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