# Up Close and Personal - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 484

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 9 Jul 2025, 1 h 06 min.

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Tonight’s guest, John Stasko, has been a paranormal investigator for 60 years and has had 5 Sasquatch sightings over the years he’s been investigating. His first sighting happened in a place called McMurray, Pennsylvania. While he was there, he walked up to within 15 feet from a huge male Sasquatch. John describes himself as not fearing anything, but even he realized that he was really pushing it, when he got that close to the Sasquatch. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to John recount that experience and share the details of his other experiences with Sasquatch. If you’d like to share a paranormal experience with John, please email him at Alien08061952@gmail.com If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hello. My name is John Stasco. I've been a paranormal
[0:04] Speaker 1: investigator sixty years. As of next month, I've had five
[0:09] Speaker 1: encounters with bigfoot, including one up close and personnel. Like
[0:15] Speaker 1: I said, I have been involved in over five thousand
[0:17] Speaker 1: types of different cases and regarding the paranormal, I do
[0:21] Speaker 1: not consider myself a bigfoot investigator alone, but a paranormal investigator,
[0:25] Speaker 1: and not an expert, but an explorer of the unknown.
[0:28] Speaker 1: I used to belong to an organization years ago, and
[0:32] Speaker 1: I got into it because I've had UFO sidings ten
[0:36] Speaker 1: in my life, starting at the age of five, so
[0:38] Speaker 1: that was primarily my main interest UFOs, alien abductions, that
[0:43] Speaker 1: type of thing. But one day I got a call
[0:46] Speaker 1: from one of the directors in the group I belonged to,
[0:48] Speaker 1: and a told me about a alleged bigfoot siding and
[0:52] Speaker 1: a place called McMurray, PA. Now McMurray Page is twelve
[0:55] Speaker 1: miles south of Pittsburgh, which is a fairly urban area,
[0:57] Speaker 1: which kind of surprised me. I've never been on a
[1:00] Speaker 1: bigfoot investigation prior to nineteen ninety one because that wasn't
[1:03] Speaker 1: my interest. But to defer to his request for me
[1:06] Speaker 1: to go there. I went along with my co investigator.
[1:09] Speaker 1: Now I'm six foot four and time I weighed about
[1:12] Speaker 1: twoint forty and my co investigator was six foot six
[1:15] Speaker 1: and a half six hundred and sixty pounds, So we
[1:18] Speaker 1: were two big guys and we go down to this
[1:20] Speaker 1: place and it was the horsemen's family. I can mention
[1:22] Speaker 1: their names because they're friends of mine, and they're both
[1:25] Speaker 1: preparing on the investigators themselves. I've trained them. Anyhow, I
[1:30] Speaker 1: got down here and we were on the case approximately
[1:32] Speaker 1: through a year, and during one incident, my friend was
[1:36] Speaker 1: down on these so called haunted railroad tracks adjacent to
[1:39] Speaker 1: their property. He started getting boulder sized rocks throwing atty.
[1:43] Speaker 1: Now I had an FM headset as well as he did,
[1:47] Speaker 1: so we didn't have to use walkie talkies. And I
[1:48] Speaker 1: was up in a tree for a better vantage point.
[1:52] Speaker 1: So he said, John, they're coming your way. So I
[1:55] Speaker 1: looked down. As I looked down, this is broad daylight.
[1:57] Speaker 1: I saw two sets of green glowing eyes looking at
[2:00] Speaker 1: So what do you think I did? Well? I shim
[2:02] Speaker 1: me down the tree as fast as I could, but
[2:04] Speaker 1: they disappeared well. Moving along, there's thirteen people all together
[2:10] Speaker 1: that were on this investigation. Eventually, about six or seven
[2:14] Speaker 1: months into the investigation, toward winter, I was getting ready
[2:18] Speaker 1: to walk out of the woods at night, and the
[2:20] Speaker 1: other people were out there watching. Now I usually go
[2:22] Speaker 1: into the woods by myself because I don't believe in
[2:25] Speaker 1: making a lot of noise. If I can hear other
[2:28] Speaker 1: people in the woods, so can bigfoot. Anyhow So, as
[2:31] Speaker 1: I started walking out, to juvenile bigfoot about seven feet
[2:35] Speaker 1: tall or so followed me out of the woods. This
[2:37] Speaker 1: was documented by Keith Bastieni who wrote the article. It
[2:42] Speaker 1: was published in Fate magazine. I believe was February and
[2:46] Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, and it'll go into more detail, but
[2:51] Speaker 1: we know there were two juvenile bigfoot there. And just
[2:54] Speaker 1: so you know, I do believe juvenile bigfoot are the
[2:57] Speaker 1: most mischief makers. They're not the adults. They're not mature enough,
[3:00] Speaker 1: so they caused a lot of problems, throwing rocks, you know,
[3:03] Speaker 1: all the things you would think that a juvenile would do. Anyhow,
[3:07] Speaker 1: So that was my first encounter with two juvenile bigfoot one.
[3:10] Speaker 1: Ayhow moving along, about a week later, I got this
[3:14] Speaker 1: is before cell phone. I got home around midnight from
[3:17] Speaker 1: that investigation and I get a call. It is this
[3:20] Speaker 1: is November now, late November, and it snowed a bit,
[3:23] Speaker 1: but not on the roads. So I get home when
[3:25] Speaker 1: my first wife tells me, John, you got a call
[3:28] Speaker 1: from the chief of police where I lived. I said,
[3:30] Speaker 1: what's up? He goes he didn't want to talk about
[3:32] Speaker 1: it in the phone, but they wanted you to come
[3:34] Speaker 1: up to this place called High School Hill. I said, okay.
[3:37] Speaker 1: So I had a jeep at the time with a
[3:39] Speaker 1: winch on the front, so I used to go pull
[3:41] Speaker 1: a lot of kids out that got stuck with her
[3:42] Speaker 1: four old drives and stuff. So I was assuming that's
[3:44] Speaker 1: what it was. So I go up armed only with
[3:48] Speaker 1: a five hundred thousand candlepower light and a stun gun.
[3:51] Speaker 1: I always carried a stun gun, a million vold stun gun,
[3:53] Speaker 1: because I carried a lot of money at that time.
[3:55] Speaker 1: I was a site supervisor for an environmental company. Anyhow,
[3:59] Speaker 1: so I go up there and it's around midnight or
[4:01] Speaker 1: so after little after midnight, i should say, And there's
[4:04] Speaker 1: twelve police officers from different municipalities on the right side
[4:08] Speaker 1: of the rill on this hill and thirty civilians standing there.
[4:11] Speaker 1: So I pulled up and his name was Charlie. I said, Charlie,
[4:14] Speaker 1: what's going on? He says, look up there, And I
[4:16] Speaker 1: looked at there's a high tension tire. And I looked
[4:20] Speaker 1: up and there was something leaning against this high tension tire.
[4:22] Speaker 1: But it was after midnight, so I didn't know what
[4:23] Speaker 1: it was. So there was a little bit of a rise.
[4:26] Speaker 1: So I started going up over the rise to see
[4:28] Speaker 1: what it was. And I look back and the police
[4:30] Speaker 1: officers aren't following me. I said, you guys coming or
[4:33] Speaker 1: what and you're going? Look at the size of that thing.
[4:35] Speaker 1: And I don't want to say what I'll say. Said,
[4:37] Speaker 1: I said, well, you guys got guns, he said. I said, look,
[4:40] Speaker 1: I'm going because my wife will tell you I'm not
[4:42] Speaker 1: afraid of anything. Anybody's ever went in the woods with
[4:44] Speaker 1: me'll tell you I'm not afraid of anything. My age,
[4:46] Speaker 1: what the heck? So I started walking up and I
[4:49] Speaker 1: got within i'd say thirty feet or whatever of this
[4:52] Speaker 1: thing was, and I smelled it before I actually got
[4:54] Speaker 1: a good look at it. It smelled the most horrible smell, like, oh,
[4:59] Speaker 1: it's like death, skunk leaves, mulch. It's hard to describe.
[5:06] Speaker 1: I can't even put it in words, but smell terrible.
[5:08] Speaker 1: That smell go with me till the day I die.
[5:11] Speaker 1: So I walked up and I got within twenty feet
[5:14] Speaker 1: or so of at this point, and I saw what
[5:16] Speaker 1: it was. Now, I'm six foot four. I weighed about
[5:20] Speaker 1: two forty at that time, so I'm not a little guy.
[5:23] Speaker 1: I slimmed down to two twenty one right now. But anyhow,
[5:26] Speaker 1: so as I walked closer, I got was in fifteen
[5:29] Speaker 1: feet of this thing. It was approximately and I know
[5:32] Speaker 1: because I measured what was leaning against the high tension tire.
[5:34] Speaker 1: It was around ten feet tall, massive shoulders, water than
[5:39] Speaker 1: my jeep and my SUV that I'm in now, dark
[5:42] Speaker 1: brown fur with reddish tinges. The head had almost neck,
[5:47] Speaker 1: almost no neck. Now here's the strange part. The eyes
[5:50] Speaker 1: glowed green like from within, not because I shine my
[5:56] Speaker 1: light on it, but because it had its own light.
[6:00] Speaker 1: I never see anything like that. Now. There are some
[6:02] Speaker 1: things in nature that can do that, you know. They
[6:05] Speaker 1: have they can generate, like fireflies can do it. Other
[6:07] Speaker 1: fishing to see can do it, you know, but I've
[6:10] Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. And it looked at me,
[6:14] Speaker 1: and like I said, it has its arms slightly crossed
[6:17] Speaker 1: and it's looking down at me. Now, I barely came
[6:19] Speaker 1: to its waist, okay, And I'm standing less than fifteen
[6:23] Speaker 1: feet away from this thing. And as it's looking down
[6:26] Speaker 1: to me. Now, I don't know if your viewers know
[6:28] Speaker 1: what infrasound is, but elephants and tigers can generate a
[6:32] Speaker 1: sound subsonic to paralyze or scare away prey. Okay. I
[6:38] Speaker 1: felt palpable waves of something hitting my chest, but I
[6:42] Speaker 1: didn't feel that it was meant to scare me. But
[6:45] Speaker 1: I felt which I can only describe as waves of
[6:48] Speaker 1: sadness hitting me, like I didn't like to be discovered
[6:52] Speaker 1: or bothered. So it's looking at me for about fifteen seconds.
[6:56] Speaker 1: And I didn't have a camera on me because I
[6:57] Speaker 1: didn't go off very expecting to see this, expecting to
[7:00] Speaker 1: pull somebody out being stuck. So it's looking at me,
[7:04] Speaker 1: and it's looking at me, and it's tilting its head
[7:06] Speaker 1: back and forth, and it's you know, and then all
[7:09] Speaker 1: about after about fifteen second. Now, all the while, the
[7:12] Speaker 1: twelve police officers and the thirty siviliins are watching us. Now,
[7:15] Speaker 1: keep in mind they were all on the scene, forty
[7:18] Speaker 1: two of them before I even got there. This case
[7:20] Speaker 1: was documented as well. Okay, and after about fifteen seconds
[7:25] Speaker 1: or so, this thing moved faster than anything I've ever
[7:27] Speaker 1: seen in my life. Thirty feet and three steps, ten
[7:31] Speaker 1: foot stride, like a running stride. Dea'st off the sixty
[7:35] Speaker 1: mile an hour. Now. I've seen deer run. In fact,
[7:38] Speaker 1: I'm looking at deer right now running, and I've seen
[7:41] Speaker 1: rabbits run. This thing would have made those rabbits and
[7:43] Speaker 1: deer look like they were running slow. Now, this might
[7:46] Speaker 1: explain why some photographs, alleged photographs of what they consider
[7:50] Speaker 1: real bigfoot, are blurry. Now. I have a friend in
[7:53] Speaker 1: England named Ian Hawkins. He's an astrophysicist and an optical expert,
[7:58] Speaker 1: and he told me, if you have a regular camp
[8:00] Speaker 1: which doesn't have a fast shutter speed, any image that's
[8:03] Speaker 1: moving very fast will tend to blur. And I kind
[8:06] Speaker 1: of agree with that, and I can see why if I,
[8:09] Speaker 1: even if I'd had a camera, it would have blurred anyhow,
[8:12] Speaker 1: So I tried to run after it. Back then I
[8:15] Speaker 1: could run a lot faster than I can now, but
[8:17] Speaker 1: I couldn't. There's no way I could keep up with this,
[8:19] Speaker 1: But I tried I ran into these thick woods which
[8:22] Speaker 1: are like I'm looking at today, and I found hair samples,
[8:26] Speaker 1: but I could hear crashing through woods. The hair samples
[8:30] Speaker 1: I took back to a local university, and back then
[8:34] Speaker 1: the DNA procedure wasn't as good as it is today. Well,
[8:39] Speaker 1: I turned it into it to this lab and they
[8:41] Speaker 1: said in two weeks when it came back, that it
[8:43] Speaker 1: was an unknown harm in it. And the strange part
[8:46] Speaker 1: was the hair samples. The hair samples were transparent with
[8:51] Speaker 1: a slight reddish tinge Now, I want to tell your
[8:55] Speaker 1: viewers this that when I shined that five hundred thousand
[8:58] Speaker 1: candlepower light within within fifteen feet of this thing, that
[9:02] Speaker 1: light should have reflected back at me, should it not.
[9:06] Speaker 1: I mean, as powerful as a light is, I could
[9:07] Speaker 1: light up a hillside a mile away. But it didn't
[9:10] Speaker 1: do that. It seemed like it absorbed the light. I
[9:13] Speaker 1: can't explain that. Oneyhow it was so late and it
[9:18] Speaker 1: was snowy, but so I couldn't actually make copies of
[9:22] Speaker 1: the prints you know by plaster casting, because of the snow.
[9:25] Speaker 1: But anyhow, what I did measure was twenty two inches
[9:28] Speaker 1: of limp one step in front of the other, just
[9:32] Speaker 1: like Sir Edmund Hillary saw the tracks on Mount Everest. Okay,
[9:37] Speaker 1: they don't walk like we do, what side to side?
[9:39] Speaker 1: They walk in pretty much a straight line, one foot
[9:42] Speaker 1: in front of the other. Oneyhow so that I was
[9:45] Speaker 1: pretty excited about getting that closed, and people asked me
[9:48] Speaker 1: if I where I frayed. I said, no, I'm not afraid.
[9:50] Speaker 1: Why would If it wanted to kill me, it could
[9:52] Speaker 1: have rippen me in piece. Now, a mountain gorilla can
[9:56] Speaker 1: go up to five maybe six hundred pounds about six
[9:58] Speaker 1: foot tall. That's a bit went a mountain gorilla. The
[10:01] Speaker 1: strength of a mountain gorilla is probably that of twenty men. Now,
[10:05] Speaker 1: if you take and you double the height of a gorilla,
[10:08] Speaker 1: you quadruple the strength. So this creature probably had the
[10:12] Speaker 1: strength of eighty gorillas or eighty men. Rather, they could
[10:16] Speaker 1: have ripped my arms and legs off. Now, when I
[10:19] Speaker 1: looked at it for the time I got to look
[10:21] Speaker 1: at it, its face was almost like either a dark
[10:24] Speaker 1: gray or black. His forehead was pronounced. It didn't have
[10:28] Speaker 1: what's called a saginal breast like a gorilla. Although the
[10:32] Speaker 1: head was slightly raised on the top, it wasn't like
[10:35] Speaker 1: a gorilla's okay. So, and like I said, and the
[10:39] Speaker 1: hair the face was pretty much clear hair except around
[10:43] Speaker 1: the upper forehead and down around the nose and a
[10:47] Speaker 1: little bit around the mouth. Now, I couldn't tell what
[10:50] Speaker 1: if it was a male or female because the hair
[10:53] Speaker 1: was so long, which is about eighteen inches long. I
[10:55] Speaker 1: still have the hair samples, by the way, anyhow, so
[10:58] Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I did see its
[11:00] Speaker 1: teeth because it opened its mouth slightly. Now, it had
[11:03] Speaker 1: canines and molars, which tells me it's an omnivore, which
[11:07] Speaker 1: meat means it eats meat as well as vegetable matter, okay,
[11:12] Speaker 1: like we do. But it didn't. I didn't feel any
[11:15] Speaker 1: kind of threat coming from it or anything like that.
[11:17] Speaker 1: And I didn't feel any fear of it, and I'm
[11:19] Speaker 1: sure it didn't feel any fear of me. I think
[11:21] Speaker 1: it was more surprised that it got caught. Okay. Now,
[11:24] Speaker 1: that was a high tension line, okay, where it was
[11:27] Speaker 1: on leaning against this high tension tire. Now, earlier that week,
[11:30] Speaker 1: the same police officer had called me and said he
[11:32] Speaker 1: was making a routine parol patrol on a highway which
[11:36] Speaker 1: is maybe half a mile away he saw one squatting
[11:39] Speaker 1: and broad daylight watching traffic going up down the road. Now,
[11:42] Speaker 1: around that time, we had over five hundred book cases
[11:46] Speaker 1: around that whole area between Washington Green and Fad County,
[11:49] Speaker 1: most of which I went on and investigated. Anyhow, I'm
[11:53] Speaker 1: getting ahead of myself. The very next day, Mary rob
[11:56] Speaker 1: Jackson from Channel two News Katie Ka and here in
[11:59] Speaker 1: Pittsburgh called me and said, mister Stasko, I understand you're
[12:02] Speaker 1: the lead investigator for Washington Green at Fett Counties. I said, yes,
[12:05] Speaker 1: I am. What's going on? And she said, well, we've
[12:08] Speaker 1: had a sighting in a place called Cress And Heights,
[12:11] Speaker 1: supposedly a bigfoot. Can we come down and get you?
[12:14] Speaker 1: I said sure. Now it got really cold. It was
[12:17] Speaker 1: probably twenty below zero with the windshiel that day, so
[12:20] Speaker 1: they came down. I was dressed in a black snowsuit
[12:22] Speaker 1: with moon boots and I went up and there's this
[12:26] Speaker 1: church above this little town called Cress And Heights. It's
[12:29] Speaker 1: pretty isolated little town, maybe no more than one hundred
[12:31] Speaker 1: and fifty people, but they have a church up on
[12:33] Speaker 1: top of the hill. So we go up there and
[12:36] Speaker 1: there was two sets of tracks and when we got
[12:39] Speaker 1: out there these two sets of tracks. Now this is
[12:42] Speaker 1: less than five miles away from the sighting I just
[12:44] Speaker 1: told you about along power lines, mind you. And the
[12:48] Speaker 1: tracks were twenty two inches long for the big set,
[12:52] Speaker 1: which tells me that might have been the same creature,
[12:53] Speaker 1: and the other set was almost eighteen inches long. Now
[12:57] Speaker 1: they were in a straight line again, and they went
[12:59] Speaker 1: to the hillside. Now Mary rob was maybe five foot two,
[13:02] Speaker 1: I guess, and she couldn't. She tried to jump between
[13:05] Speaker 1: the tracks and couldn't do it. And I couldn't do it,
[13:07] Speaker 1: and I'm six four. So we followed the tracks to
[13:10] Speaker 1: the hillside in the snow, and we saw butt prints
[13:14] Speaker 1: where they squatted down looking down into the town. But
[13:17] Speaker 1: I didn't find any tracks further than that, which kind
[13:20] Speaker 1: of surprised me. I'm like, well, there should be more tracks.
[13:24] Speaker 1: So I went and I took a better look at
[13:25] Speaker 1: these tracks. The track you know you've heard backtracking by
[13:29] Speaker 1: the Native Americans. What they used to do step into
[13:32] Speaker 1: their tracks and walk backwards. These creatures walked in those
[13:35] Speaker 1: same tracks backwards into the dense brush, so you couldn't
[13:38] Speaker 1: follow them. Now that's amazing. But I also had something
[13:43] Speaker 1: called a soil compaction device. Actually, it measures the depth
[13:47] Speaker 1: of an imprint and can give you approximate weight. The
[13:51] Speaker 1: approximate weight of the big set of tracks was twelve
[13:53] Speaker 1: hundred pounds, which is larger than the grizzly bear. The
[13:56] Speaker 1: smaller set of tracks, mind you, were about eight hundred pounds,
[14:00] Speaker 1: almost eight hundred pounds. But here's the strange part. On
[14:03] Speaker 1: the left foot of the smaller creature, the weight was
[14:07] Speaker 1: one thousand pounds, and on the right foot it was
[14:09] Speaker 1: again almost eight hundred pounds. Why do you think that is? Well,
[14:15] Speaker 1: it was carrying something, could have been carrying a dead animal,
[14:19] Speaker 1: could have been carried in young sasquatch. I don't know anyhow.
[14:23] Speaker 1: So there's that case. Now let me move ahead. I've
[14:28] Speaker 1: been on a lot of UFO cases I mentioned earlier
[14:32] Speaker 1: when when you and I talked and I really wasn't
[14:34] Speaker 1: interested in bigfoot so much, I thought, well, it might exist,
[14:38] Speaker 1: maybe not, but I started talking. It was approximately seven
[14:41] Speaker 1: cases I was on where people had actually claimed to
[14:44] Speaker 1: see a bigfoot in close proxien me to a hovering
[14:47] Speaker 1: or landed UFO or going into or coming out of
[14:51] Speaker 1: a UFO. Well, that really piqued my interest. Now these
[14:55] Speaker 1: creatures are. When I looked into the one of the
[14:58] Speaker 1: ten foot tall one, I didn't see an animal looking
[15:01] Speaker 1: back at me. If you look in at a deer's eye,
[15:02] Speaker 1: you don't really don't see that kind of intelligence. Well,
[15:05] Speaker 1: when I looked into the eyes of that creature, I
[15:08] Speaker 1: saw stentience intelligence looking back at me. And for something
[15:12] Speaker 1: to be so elusive that most people never get to
[15:15] Speaker 1: see one, or it's never you know, never ever get
[15:18] Speaker 1: close to one that tells me it's smart. If you
[15:21] Speaker 1: would imagine now you know a tiger, for instance, in India,
[15:25] Speaker 1: how often do people see tigers? Not often until they
[15:28] Speaker 1: pounced because they attack from behind. Imagine giving a tiger
[15:32] Speaker 1: near human or human intelligence, how often would you see it?
[15:36] Speaker 1: Probably not at all until it's pounced. This I don't
[15:40] Speaker 1: feel this creature is an animal. I think it's something else.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Now I can speculate, and there's a lot of speculation
[15:47] Speaker 1: in this genre. I think these creatures are not descendants
[15:51] Speaker 1: of Gigantopithecus, nor are they descendants of the Denisovan. Okay,
[15:57] Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know about the Denisovan. It
[15:59] Speaker 1: was an early home and pretty tall seven eight feet tall.
[16:02] Speaker 1: Very massive. So I don't think it's either one of
[16:05] Speaker 1: those things. What I do think, and I mean, I
[16:09] Speaker 1: know there's going to be people in this genre. They're
[16:11] Speaker 1: going to jump all over mode, I have to say.
[16:13] Speaker 1: And I really don't care because I know what I saw.
[16:16] Speaker 1: I think these creatures are not terrestrial in nature. Okay,
[16:22] Speaker 1: I don't know where they came from. I don't know
[16:25] Speaker 1: what they're doing here, but I know what I saw.
[16:29] Speaker 1: Now let me move ahead. My wife and I were
[16:32] Speaker 1: taking a trip here all about two years ago to
[16:35] Speaker 1: go to Cooper's Rock State Park in West Virginia. There's
[16:39] Speaker 1: a long grade up there, and as we're going up
[16:41] Speaker 1: the great broad daylight, my wife looks out the window
[16:44] Speaker 1: and yells, there's something standing in the side, right in
[16:47] Speaker 1: the tree line. So I stopped real quick, but I
[16:50] Speaker 1: had a bad hit at the time, which I got replaced.
[16:52] Speaker 1: I tried to get out and see what it was.
[16:55] Speaker 1: It looked to be about an eight foot tall bigfoot
[16:57] Speaker 1: standing at the edge of the tree line. Ran into
[17:01] Speaker 1: the woods. Okay, I mean right broad daylight, watching traffic.
[17:07] Speaker 1: They're fairly inquisitive. Well, let me move ahead of further.
[17:12] Speaker 1: About six months ago or so, I was taking my
[17:16] Speaker 1: great grandson Elijah up to a park up here, and
[17:21] Speaker 1: it was, oh, we're the top of this park. It's
[17:24] Speaker 1: pretty isolated area and stuff. And I was showing him
[17:27] Speaker 1: how to ride his bike. And he was seven years old.
[17:28] Speaker 1: So I was sitting down and he's going around this
[17:31] Speaker 1: circle up there, and I'm watching him, and he said,
[17:34] Speaker 1: look at that, Pap, Pap. And I looked to my
[17:36] Speaker 1: right and about one hundred and fifty feet away, something
[17:38] Speaker 1: was sitting behind a tree. It's all black, and my
[17:42] Speaker 1: first thoughts, it's a person or a bear. I've seen
[17:44] Speaker 1: bear up there, okay. And then so my wife called
[17:49] Speaker 1: me about that time and I told her she I said, look, honey,
[17:53] Speaker 1: there is something. I think it's a bear. She said, well,
[17:55] Speaker 1: you better get Eli back to the suv. Get him
[17:58] Speaker 1: to safety. Now I could pray, Mum, if I had
[18:00] Speaker 1: to fight a bear, I would protect my great grandson.
[18:03] Speaker 1: But I deferred for him and I took him back.
[18:06] Speaker 1: As I'm walking back to the car, this thing stood
[18:09] Speaker 1: up on two legs. Now, there's a branch that it
[18:12] Speaker 1: stood up, and its head was taller than a branch.
[18:14] Speaker 1: I measured the next day. The branch is seven and
[18:16] Speaker 1: a half feet off the ground. This head the head
[18:18] Speaker 1: was probably six or seven inches above that. It was
[18:21] Speaker 1: all black. It walked on two legs into the woods. Okay,
[18:26] Speaker 1: so there's that. Now. I've been on a lot of
[18:29] Speaker 1: cases where, for instance, where there was a priest up
[18:33] Speaker 1: near Patsy Hillman Park in Brownsville which is now Patsy Himet.
[18:36] Speaker 1: It used to be a Luzern park. A priest told
[18:38] Speaker 1: me that during the winter months he went out to
[18:40] Speaker 1: put some garbage out early in the morning. He had
[18:42] Speaker 1: a pizza box he threw out the night before of
[18:44] Speaker 1: a couple of pieces of old pizza. This is a priest,
[18:47] Speaker 1: mind you. And he said he saw a family of bigfoot,
[18:50] Speaker 1: a large one, a slightly smaller one in a juvenile
[18:53] Speaker 1: going through his trash looking for food. I guess, okay, now,
[18:57] Speaker 1: this is a priest. I've talked to many people people
[19:00] Speaker 1: that have seen bigfoot. Unfortunately, because of all these negative
[19:05] Speaker 1: trolling they have on these big foot groups, you know,
[19:07] Speaker 1: and all that, people are afraid to come forward, okay
[19:11] Speaker 1: and talk about their experiences. Now, about two years ago,
[19:15] Speaker 1: Dan bin Waffe from ecbrro and Julie McQuaid and I
[19:19] Speaker 1: went to an investigation for an alleged puck wedgie. I
[19:23] Speaker 1: don't know if you know what a puck wedgie is.
[19:25] Speaker 1: Supposedly a mythical creature, whatever. But we go up and
[19:30] Speaker 1: the guy gave us the story. He's with his seventy
[19:32] Speaker 1: five year old mother. He owns this property. It's twenty
[19:35] Speaker 1: acres of boards, three or four hundred acres of woods,
[19:38] Speaker 1: and he said he looked down there with his mom
[19:40] Speaker 1: and he saw this creature about seventy five feet away
[19:42] Speaker 1: shaking a wild turkey so fast the feathers are flying everywhere.
[19:48] Speaker 1: So we asked for his permission to go out there
[19:50] Speaker 1: and do an investigation. He said yes, but he didn't
[19:52] Speaker 1: want his name put out there because of all the
[19:54] Speaker 1: derision because of this stuff. So the three of us
[19:58] Speaker 1: went out there. I sent Dan in at the time,
[20:01] Speaker 1: his fiance, about three hundred feet away with a walkie talkie,
[20:05] Speaker 1: and I decided to go up there and sit by myself,
[20:08] Speaker 1: walk through the woods as I normally do, and find
[20:10] Speaker 1: a spot and just sit. Well, we didn't see a
[20:13] Speaker 1: bigfoot or a puck lodgy. We saw two UFOs, which
[20:18] Speaker 1: I shined my powerful spotlight, and one of them came
[20:20] Speaker 1: toward us and landed and lifted up and moved to
[20:22] Speaker 1: the other side. But that was a Bigfoot investigation. But
[20:26] Speaker 1: again this same park area, now there's no airports close
[20:30] Speaker 1: to that, just so you know. So my wife and
[20:33] Speaker 1: I took oh it was in summertime. We took three
[20:36] Speaker 1: of our five great grandkids up to this park up
[20:38] Speaker 1: on top of the hill. It's a pretty good sized park.
[20:41] Speaker 1: And I'm standing here talking to another couple and they
[20:43] Speaker 1: have their kids are up their plane. And the man pointed,
[20:46] Speaker 1: he said, look at that, sir, about I don't know,
[20:49] Speaker 1: a couple hundred feet away, there's something standing at the
[20:51] Speaker 1: edge of the woods, about eight feet tall or so.
[20:54] Speaker 1: So I ran back to my sub to get my
[20:55] Speaker 1: bind aktars and it was gone that quick. So these
[20:59] Speaker 1: are the types of things. Now. There are some people
[21:03] Speaker 1: that call Bigfoot a descendant of an ancient harmony in
[21:06] Speaker 1: like a Gigantopithecus or a Denisovan or some other ancient
[21:11] Speaker 1: harmon or the missing Link. I tend to disagree, As
[21:16] Speaker 1: I said, I think it's not terrestrial, which means it
[21:18] Speaker 1: is either extraterrestrial or interdimensional. Some people believe this creatures
[21:22] Speaker 1: can come through a portal, they can floak themselves. I
[21:26] Speaker 1: don't go to that. I don't believe in that. I
[21:28] Speaker 1: think it's a I know it's a flesh and blood
[21:30] Speaker 1: creature first of all, not supernatural. It's got flesh and
[21:33] Speaker 1: blood like we do, okay, don't. It's intelligent, it's an
[21:37] Speaker 1: aware creature. So I don't know what exactly it is.
[21:41] Speaker 1: And I've seen them five times altogether, and I still
[21:44] Speaker 1: don't know what they are, but I know they exist.
[21:47] Speaker 1: And like I said, you're going to have viewers or
[21:49] Speaker 1: listeners saying, well, there's no such thing. Well, let me
[21:52] Speaker 1: just say this for the sake argument. How many people
[21:55] Speaker 1: know what a sela cant is? Well, not many unless
[21:59] Speaker 1: you're a really good reader or keep up on these things.
[22:02] Speaker 1: A Ceila cants was a armored fish about five feet
[22:05] Speaker 1: or so long. They's supposed to be extinct for about
[22:06] Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million years ago during the Fermian
[22:09] Speaker 1: extinction okay, which almost all life on Earth dissipated, not
[22:14] Speaker 1: the one that killed the dinosaurs that was much earlier later. Rather, anyhow,
[22:18] Speaker 1: the Ceila cant's been found swimming in the oceans alive,
[22:21] Speaker 1: at least seven of them, so far. Okay, So there's that. Now,
[22:26] Speaker 1: if I were to tell you and you to have
[22:27] Speaker 1: access to the Internet or Google or Encyclopedia, is there
[22:30] Speaker 1: anything like that? And I said to you, there's a
[22:32] Speaker 1: creature on Earth that's got the bill of a duck,
[22:35] Speaker 1: it's got the tail of a beaver, it's got poison
[22:37] Speaker 1: tip claws, fur lays eggs, and okay, what would you say,
[22:43] Speaker 1: You're crazy? It's called a platypus. Okay. They live New Zealand, Australia.
[22:50] Speaker 1: They exist other creatures as well. We're finding new species
[22:54] Speaker 1: every day, but we're losing about two thousand a year. Okay.
[22:58] Speaker 1: So they just recently, not all that long ago, discovered
[23:01] Speaker 1: the species of a chimpanzee type creature called a bonobo. Okay,
[23:06] Speaker 1: so there's that. Now. I can't attribute these things to
[23:12] Speaker 1: natural occurring phenomena. I would guess because of Native American
[23:16] Speaker 1: lar and legend that I think people should listen more
[23:19] Speaker 1: about to the Native Americans, because apparently bigfoot and sasquatch
[23:23] Speaker 1: type creature has been around for thousands of years interacted
[23:26] Speaker 1: with them as well. Now I will say this is
[23:31] Speaker 1: to my knowledge, the East Coast sasquatch, bigfoot for the
[23:36] Speaker 1: most part, the northeastern part are not They're not violent,
[23:40] Speaker 1: they're nomadic. They travel because of the high urban populations
[23:44] Speaker 1: we have in the eastern seaboard, except for the ones
[23:47] Speaker 1: down south, the like the Bogie Creek and folk monsters Okay,
[23:51] Speaker 1: these creatures seem to be more violent because there's less
[23:54] Speaker 1: people and become they've become more territorial. Then you move
[23:57] Speaker 1: to the Pacific Northwest. Now everybody's heard of Port Lock, Alaska.
[24:02] Speaker 1: That town had to be abandoned because people missing and
[24:06] Speaker 1: they were torn to pieces, not by a bear or
[24:09] Speaker 1: a cougar or a wolf or anything like that. They
[24:12] Speaker 1: attributed it to sasquatch. Now there's also loggers have supposedly
[24:17] Speaker 1: seen bigfoot sasquatch out that way as well, and they
[24:22] Speaker 1: said almost every encounter they've had it been a violent encounter.
[24:26] Speaker 1: So these creatures are more territorial. I think based on
[24:29] Speaker 1: the environment they're in and the location they're in. You
[24:33] Speaker 1: go to the Yetti and the Himalayas and the yerin
[24:35] Speaker 1: Okay and then the Himalay area in China, Okay, these
[24:40] Speaker 1: creatures seem to be more violent because there's less food there,
[24:43] Speaker 1: so they come in they take whatever animals are available
[24:46] Speaker 1: to them. Sometimes they take people, Okay, it just depends
[24:50] Speaker 1: on where they're located. Now, Supposedly the Yeti's a little
[24:54] Speaker 1: bit smaller in the year than the North American sasquatch.
[24:58] Speaker 1: That again could be attributed to environmental factors as well,
[25:02] Speaker 1: just like the snowshoe rabbit and the warm months it's brown.
[25:05] Speaker 1: In the cold months it turns white, right, Okay, So
[25:09] Speaker 1: there's that. Like I said, I just don't know what
[25:13] Speaker 1: these things are now. The UFO connection has me stemy. Okay.
[25:20] Speaker 1: There was one myth, supposedly from the Native American lord
[25:25] Speaker 1: that said that there was a sasquatch that lived amongst
[25:28] Speaker 1: this Native American tribe for a while, and it used
[25:30] Speaker 1: to heal people and used to help them. Now, the
[25:33] Speaker 1: Native American people, to my knowledge, are pretty honorable people
[25:37] Speaker 1: by and large, Okay, And I have some Native American
[25:40] Speaker 1: blood me as well, not as much as I'd like,
[25:43] Speaker 1: but I do believe a lot of what they have
[25:45] Speaker 1: to say because they're not liars. Okay. They talked about
[25:49] Speaker 1: this sasquatch that lived among them for a while and
[25:52] Speaker 1: then when it got ill and it was time for
[25:54] Speaker 1: it to die, it told them to take it to
[25:56] Speaker 1: a lake and to leave it at this lake and
[25:58] Speaker 1: it would be picked up. Well, supposedly a shield. They
[26:03] Speaker 1: knew what a shield was because Native Americas had they
[26:06] Speaker 1: made wooden shields when they went into battle with other groups,
[26:10] Speaker 1: and this shield came down from the sky and took
[26:12] Speaker 1: this sasquatch. So my opinion, based on what I've seen
[26:18] Speaker 1: and researched in almost sixty years, is these creatures are
[26:21] Speaker 1: not interdimensional. They are extraterrestrial. Now I want to talk
[26:28] Speaker 1: about that a little bit. I have a friend named
[26:30] Speaker 1: Linda Sigmund. She lives in Martinsville in West Virginia, and
[26:34] Speaker 1: she was one of the people that actually saw Mothman.
[26:39] Speaker 1: What people don't know is Mothman. She said, well, she
[26:42] Speaker 1: saw a ufo where it looked like it came out
[26:44] Speaker 1: of the UFO. Now, I talked to John Keel many
[26:48] Speaker 1: years ago at Laguardi Airport, who wrote the Book of
[26:50] Speaker 1: Mothman Prophecies, and he told me the same thing. So
[26:54] Speaker 1: my guess is that Mothman and these creatures are broad
[27:00] Speaker 1: here and left here for what some reason which I
[27:03] Speaker 1: don't know. I can speculate and say, well, maybe they
[27:05] Speaker 1: were problems where they were. Maybe they were brought here
[27:08] Speaker 1: to do investigations for the more dominant species. I don't know.
[27:12] Speaker 1: That's the only reason I mentioned moth Man and these
[27:15] Speaker 1: type of cryptis and stuff. Let's let's do this too.
[27:21] Speaker 1: I just talked to a fellow investigator this morning a
[27:23] Speaker 1: little bit about dog Man as well. Uh. He seems
[27:27] Speaker 1: to feel that dog Man is just a misidentified Bigfoot.
[27:31] Speaker 1: I really don't know. It's a possibility, and that's why
[27:34] Speaker 1: that's why I bring this up. I mean, I'm primarily
[27:37] Speaker 1: focusing with you on Bigfoot at this point, but you know,
[27:40] Speaker 1: we have people who have Down syndrome. They don't look
[27:43] Speaker 1: quite like other human being. There was a I think
[27:46] Speaker 1: it was a pair of boys in Mexico that grew
[27:48] Speaker 1: a lot of facial hair. They looked like werewolves. Okay,
[27:52] Speaker 1: so who's to say that Bigfoot is not actually or
[27:56] Speaker 1: a dog Man, it's not actually a misidentified Bigfoot or
[27:59] Speaker 1: maybe you know. I tend not to go into the
[28:02] Speaker 1: supernatural too much about this. You know, I don't, like
[28:07] Speaker 1: I said, I don't believe Bigfoot supernaturally. He's not I
[28:09] Speaker 1: saw him. He's flesh and blood just as much as
[28:11] Speaker 1: I am as far as dog man. I talked to
[28:15] Speaker 1: the lady down in west Or, Virginia when I went
[28:17] Speaker 1: down here recently for ECBR to speak, and she says
[28:21] Speaker 1: she saw a dog man type creature on her property.
[28:25] Speaker 1: I asked her if I could come back down again
[28:27] Speaker 1: and and you know, scope to territory out where she lived,
[28:31] Speaker 1: and she was kind of reluctant to do so. But
[28:34] Speaker 1: I understand that because a lot of people don't want it.
[28:36] Speaker 1: She says she don't want to get involved. But my
[28:38] Speaker 1: take on it could be I think it's a big book.
[28:41] Speaker 1: That might be a big book a misidentified Bigfoot. And
[28:43] Speaker 1: I know there's going to be people swear I'm down
[28:45] Speaker 1: there's dog man groups and stuff, and I'm not knocking in.
[28:48] Speaker 1: But I go where the facts lead me. I follow
[28:50] Speaker 1: scientific proof, scientific procedure. You know, I have to go
[28:56] Speaker 1: where the facts leading. I will tell you when I'm
[28:59] Speaker 1: using case I was on regarding Bigfoot. I got a
[29:02] Speaker 1: call about this supposed bigfoot sighting leaving tracks down in
[29:07] Speaker 1: Green County in Pennsylvania. So I and my fellow investigator
[29:11] Speaker 1: went down to check it out, and this guy come
[29:14] Speaker 1: off to meet us and stuff, and he wanted to
[29:16] Speaker 1: show us these tracks. So I know, look, I'm not
[29:20] Speaker 1: a doctor Meldrim as an expert in tracks, but I've
[29:22] Speaker 1: seen tracks before. Okay, I respect doctor Meldrim's work, but
[29:26] Speaker 1: he's never seen Bigfoot. He's found tracks anyhow. So I said,
[29:32] Speaker 1: let's go look at these tracks. And that's broad daylight, summertime.
[29:35] Speaker 1: I go look. And the first thing I noticed about
[29:38] Speaker 1: the tracks, where they weren't in a straight line. They
[29:40] Speaker 1: looked like they were made by a human walking big
[29:45] Speaker 1: tracks about eighteen inches long. The second thing I noticed
[29:49] Speaker 1: was the tracks were both left feet. As far as
[29:54] Speaker 1: I know, no bigfoot has two left feet.
[29:57] Speaker 2: Okay.
[29:58] Speaker 1: There was also no mid tarsel break, and the tracks
[30:02] Speaker 1: were absolutely flat and very well defined. The depth of
[30:06] Speaker 1: the tracks were about maybe a half an inch. Something
[30:10] Speaker 1: with that size foot would have left a lot deeper
[30:12] Speaker 1: imprint in that ground. So I said to the guy,
[30:16] Speaker 1: I said, I'm already skeptical. I'm going to retire Parallegel
[30:19] Speaker 1: by the way, and I've heard a lottery story you
[30:22] Speaker 1: can think about. But anyway, so the guy said he
[30:25] Speaker 1: had to go back in the house, and I said, well,
[30:27] Speaker 1: would you mind if we, you know, looked at your
[30:29] Speaker 1: your property. He goes, no, he had about twenty or
[30:32] Speaker 1: thirty acres of border woods. I said, okay, So we're
[30:35] Speaker 1: walking and we're looking around the property and stuff, trying
[30:37] Speaker 1: to follow these tracks, you know, which were about five
[30:40] Speaker 1: feet apart by the way. Anyhow, so I saw this building.
[30:43] Speaker 1: He had an outbuilding at the back of his property,
[30:46] Speaker 1: and there was a door slightly open. So normally I
[30:50] Speaker 1: wouldn't do this, but because I was already highly skeptical
[30:53] Speaker 1: about the two left feet and the way the tracks were,
[30:55] Speaker 1: you know that that kind of thing, I said to
[30:58] Speaker 1: my co investigator, I said, do me a favorite stand
[31:00] Speaker 1: outside the door and keep a lookout. The door was
[31:02] Speaker 1: already cracked open about a foot or so. I walked
[31:05] Speaker 1: inside and I'm looking around. There was a bench there,
[31:08] Speaker 1: a big, long work bench. What do you think I
[31:10] Speaker 1: found on the bench? I found a piece of wood
[31:13] Speaker 1: cut into the shape of a left bigfoot. So I
[31:18] Speaker 1: knew the guy was pulling my leg. So I walked
[31:22] Speaker 1: back out and I held it behind my back and
[31:25] Speaker 1: he came out of the house and I walked up
[31:27] Speaker 1: to him. I said, look, I was trying to give
[31:28] Speaker 1: him an out by the way, which he didn't take.
[31:31] Speaker 1: He should have anyhow, I said, look, I said, I
[31:33] Speaker 1: think somebody's pranking. He goes, what do you mean. I
[31:36] Speaker 1: pulled this out from behind my back. I said, I
[31:38] Speaker 1: found this in your shed. He started stuttering, getting all
[31:41] Speaker 1: bent out of shape. He said, well, I don't know
[31:43] Speaker 1: anything about that. I said, well, I think somebody's pranking. No, no,
[31:46] Speaker 1: these are real bigfoot track and I put it down
[31:49] Speaker 1: on one of the tracks and showed him it match perfectly.
[31:53] Speaker 1: I said, I think somebody's pranking. Oh no, no, they're real.
[31:55] Speaker 1: They're real. I said, well, look, I appreciate you letting's
[31:59] Speaker 1: come down here to look around your property, you know. And
[32:01] Speaker 1: I wrote the report up and I says, you have
[32:03] Speaker 1: a good day, he or anything else, give us a call.
[32:05] Speaker 1: Well he never called us back as we caught it,
[32:07] Speaker 1: so that was a hoaxer. Okay, people do this kind
[32:10] Speaker 1: of stuff, and that's what makes it so difficult in
[32:13] Speaker 1: the genre. You know, when I first started doing these
[32:16] Speaker 1: kind of investigations many many years ago, like I said,
[32:19] Speaker 1: almost six decades now, there there was a lot of
[32:22] Speaker 1: fringe groups coming popping up, people getting claimed to be
[32:26] Speaker 1: taken to venus and uranus and all kinds of crazy stuff,
[32:30] Speaker 1: and it made us the laughing stock. They're real investigators,
[32:32] Speaker 1: laughing stocks of the genre. And I've always tried to
[32:37] Speaker 1: maintain legitimacy and everything I've done, you know. And the
[32:41] Speaker 1: nice thing about I've had witnesses for every one of
[32:43] Speaker 1: my sightings. Every one of them, whether it be Bigfoot
[32:46] Speaker 1: or UFOs or whatever, always had witnesses. They're all documented.
[32:51] Speaker 1: And like I said, there were times I wasn't able
[32:53] Speaker 1: to actually get out into the woods for one reason
[32:56] Speaker 1: or another. But I always continue my research, my reading
[33:00] Speaker 1: to catch up. I always wanted to know what's going on,
[33:04] Speaker 1: but it makes it really difficult for people to come forward.
[33:08] Speaker 1: There's been over sixteen thousand sightings of Bigfoot. Can you
[33:11] Speaker 1: imagine how that's when people came forward? How many more
[33:15] Speaker 1: people that didn't come forward? You maybe four times that many?
[33:19] Speaker 1: Why because they're afraid to come out and get ridiculed,
[33:22] Speaker 1: the derision, people getting called hoaxers, liars, you know, crazy stuff. Recently,
[33:28] Speaker 1: one of one of the groups I'm in, my director
[33:34] Speaker 1: caught a guy it had actually bought I guess it
[33:37] Speaker 1: was a gorilla mask painted in black, took a picture
[33:41] Speaker 1: of and claimed it was a real Bigfoot. Well, guess what.
[33:43] Speaker 1: My director actually found that mask and called him on it.
[33:49] Speaker 1: This is the kind of stuff we're talking about. You know.
[33:52] Speaker 1: I was in a bigfoot group, oh maybe three years ago,
[33:56] Speaker 1: and I had nice conversations with the director group. He
[33:59] Speaker 1: invited me in a group expert, et cetera, et cetera.
[34:02] Speaker 1: So one day I talked to him. I said, look,
[34:04] Speaker 1: I said, why don't you why don't you try to
[34:05] Speaker 1: coordinate with other, you know, like minded bigfoot groups around
[34:09] Speaker 1: the country. Well, he started getting really angry at me
[34:12] Speaker 1: and custo, and he says, look, I'm trying to grow
[34:14] Speaker 1: my group. I don't want to you know, do I
[34:15] Speaker 1: don't want to say what he said, because you have
[34:17] Speaker 1: your viewers. They might be young and adults as well.
[34:20] Speaker 1: I'm trying to be very respectful here to them. And
[34:23] Speaker 1: he basically kicked me out of his group. Well guess what,
[34:27] Speaker 1: he wanted to join the groups I'm in. I let
[34:30] Speaker 1: him in, Okay, but he's been very quiet about it. Okay,
[34:34] Speaker 1: but this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, Vick.
[34:37] Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to get a database put together.
[34:41] Speaker 1: There are some good investigators in the genre. Les o'dale
[34:45] Speaker 1: down in West Virginia, Dan Ben Waught in Virginia, Mike
[34:49] Speaker 1: Hartman in Ohio, Bill Rigby and Butler pa you know,
[34:56] Speaker 1: and of course I put myself in that category as well.
[34:59] Speaker 1: You know, we're we're legit. You know. I don't ascribe
[35:03] Speaker 1: to a lot of these shows on TV. And I'll
[35:06] Speaker 1: tell you why. It's entertainment. You got some one of
[35:09] Speaker 1: these shows. I'm not going to mention this name. These
[35:11] Speaker 1: guys go out with guns, sometimes they have alcohol, and
[35:15] Speaker 1: they're out there trying to hunt bigfoot. Let me just
[35:17] Speaker 1: ask you a question. If you ever shot at a
[35:21] Speaker 1: grizzly bear or even a black bear or anything, and
[35:23] Speaker 1: you wounded it but didn't kill it and it got away.
[35:26] Speaker 1: Now it's unable to take and hunt for food for
[35:29] Speaker 1: whatever reason because it's wounded, and now it doesn't like
[35:32] Speaker 1: human beings and they can't differentiate between one human being
[35:35] Speaker 1: and another. So here comes Joe Blow walking into the
[35:38] Speaker 1: woods again, who never bothered in another soul, except he's
[35:41] Speaker 1: taking a walk to the woods, and you got an
[35:43] Speaker 1: enraged bigfoot who was wounded or shot at. What do
[35:47] Speaker 1: you think is going to happen to that guy? That
[35:49] Speaker 1: poor human beings is going to get torn to pieces
[35:52] Speaker 1: because somebody shot at it. My goal has always been
[35:56] Speaker 1: a to find out what the creatures are, okay, to
[36:00] Speaker 1: study them alive, and two to get it put on
[36:04] Speaker 1: the endangered species list. So a bunch of knuckleheads don't
[36:08] Speaker 1: go out in the woods and start trying to shoot
[36:09] Speaker 1: at it and kill it. Okay, that's my goal, to
[36:14] Speaker 1: the knowledge and to protect it. Okay, simple as that.
[36:19] Speaker 1: I don't take guns into the woods with me. I
[36:21] Speaker 1: take my trustee walkie talkie, my bionic ear, my night vision,
[36:27] Speaker 1: my body cam, and you know, I'll take my hunting
[36:31] Speaker 1: knife with me, of course, but that's if I got
[36:33] Speaker 1: to fight a bear. Oh I also have bear spray.
[36:35] Speaker 1: I take it with me just in case. But you know,
[36:38] Speaker 1: I when I confronted or that I was confronted by
[36:42] Speaker 1: a ten foot tall bigfoot less than fifteen feet away
[36:46] Speaker 1: from me and didn't try to harm me or lift
[36:49] Speaker 1: a hand to hurt me, and it could if it
[36:51] Speaker 1: could have torren me to pieces. That tells me something.
[36:54] Speaker 1: It's intelligent, doesn't want to bother anybody. The young ones might.
[36:59] Speaker 1: The young ones are immature, just like our juvenile delinquents. Okay,
[37:03] Speaker 1: they create mischief. But the other thing I want to
[37:06] Speaker 1: mention too, the East Coast bigfoot doesn't seem to be
[37:09] Speaker 1: the kind of creature that's going out to try to
[37:11] Speaker 1: get farm animals. And the reason I believe that to
[37:17] Speaker 1: be is because if a farmer started losing farm animals,
[37:21] Speaker 1: he's going to send people out to look for see
[37:24] Speaker 1: what's going on. Right, Okay, so I think Bigfoot knows that. However,
[37:29] Speaker 1: and I've never heard of a case in the East
[37:31] Speaker 1: Coast of a bigfoot taking any cattle, sheep or anything
[37:35] Speaker 1: like that. Maybe cats or dogs or something like that,
[37:38] Speaker 1: but they're missed. Okay, they're cats and dogs. But the
[37:43] Speaker 1: West Coast north, I should say, the Pacific Northwest is
[37:45] Speaker 1: a little different story. Okay, you have cattle mutilizations and
[37:50] Speaker 1: things of this nature going on, animals disappearing, people disappearing.
[37:55] Speaker 1: Some people say that bigfoot can be carnivorous humans. Well,
[38:01] Speaker 1: that's a possibility too. I mean, we have human species
[38:05] Speaker 1: that prey upon one another, cannibalistic. Other people say to me, John,
[38:10] Speaker 1: how come we never find a big foot body? Well,
[38:13] Speaker 1: I come back and I say this, how many of
[38:15] Speaker 1: you ever found a dead bear in the woods. I've
[38:17] Speaker 1: never found a dead bear in the woods, and I
[38:19] Speaker 1: used to hunt. I've killed free bear in my life,
[38:21] Speaker 1: and probably almost one hundred deer in my life. But
[38:27] Speaker 1: I've never found a dead bear, carcass, or even bones
[38:30] Speaker 1: of a dead bear. Okay, well, let's just let's just
[38:34] Speaker 1: speculate for a second about that. We know that some
[38:38] Speaker 1: early civilization, early groups of humans or whatever, used to
[38:41] Speaker 1: do ritual cannibalism. Maybe they eat they're dead. I don't know.
[38:46] Speaker 1: Maybe they bury their dead. I know that people used
[38:49] Speaker 1: to believe that in Neanderthal man was a primitive savage creature.
[38:53] Speaker 1: We now know that they had religious rights. They buried
[38:58] Speaker 1: their dead. Okay, why not bigfoot. You've got a lot
[39:02] Speaker 1: of caves in this area. We have a lot of
[39:04] Speaker 1: abandoned mines in this area. There's an extensive cave system
[39:08] Speaker 1: under the whole United States. Okay, maybe they live underground.
[39:12] Speaker 1: We had a case in nineteen forty seven down close
[39:15] Speaker 1: to where I lived, where they didn't call it what
[39:17] Speaker 1: they called it a hairy man. Somebody saw, well, several
[39:20] Speaker 1: people saw this creature coming out of water. They suppose
[39:24] Speaker 1: in a river under an embankment. Maybe they dig under
[39:29] Speaker 1: the embankment. Sometimes like alligators do. Okay, they can live
[39:33] Speaker 1: just about anywhere. Now, these creatures can be seen in
[39:38] Speaker 1: the daytime or nighttime. I believe they're more arboreal, which
[39:43] Speaker 1: I mean they can do both. They have extreme vision, okay,
[39:47] Speaker 1: extreme hearing, extreme strength. They're almost inexhaustible, okay compared to
[39:52] Speaker 1: a human being. There's been photos taken and videos taken
[39:55] Speaker 1: of alleged Bigfoot climbing a mountain faster than you can imagine,
[39:58] Speaker 1: or moving fast. Okay, human beings couldn't keep up with them.
[40:04] Speaker 1: So when I go into the woods and I either
[40:07] Speaker 1: by myself or if I take other people, and I
[40:10] Speaker 1: don't like to take giant groups of people like you
[40:12] Speaker 1: see on these some of these shows on TV, well
[40:15] Speaker 1: they'll go in with a camera crew and they make noise.
[40:18] Speaker 1: They're talking the whole time. Look if you can hear
[40:21] Speaker 1: another human being in the woods, soakn Bigfoot. That's why
[40:25] Speaker 1: I look at what I do and what I plan
[40:27] Speaker 1: to do to help these people. I'm going up in
[40:30] Speaker 1: the mountains with here in a couple of weeks, I
[40:33] Speaker 1: go out what I do when I go on an investigation,
[40:35] Speaker 1: I go and I look in a game trail. Earlier
[40:37] Speaker 1: in the day. If I find a game trail that's
[40:40] Speaker 1: heavily worn, what I'll do is, I'll set up two
[40:43] Speaker 1: trail camps, one across from each other. I'll take my seat,
[40:47] Speaker 1: wear my gilly suit and sit down in that seat
[40:50] Speaker 1: and sit for hours and not make a sound or move,
[40:54] Speaker 1: and if something comes across, I got it. That's what
[40:57] Speaker 1: I do. I recommend any anybody that's listening to your
[41:01] Speaker 1: podcast right now that if you're going to go out
[41:03] Speaker 1: and be an investigator, silence is key. Be quiet, okay,
[41:09] Speaker 1: don't make it sound okay. And if you're in the
[41:12] Speaker 1: woods and all of a sudden it goes from them,
[41:13] Speaker 1: you're hearing birds chirp and other animals and it gets
[41:16] Speaker 1: real quiet. There's something in the woods with them. It's
[41:19] Speaker 1: making them quiet. Just listen, pay attention. But you're not
[41:25] Speaker 1: going to get this if you sit in your house
[41:26] Speaker 1: and you write a book about what you think Bigfoot
[41:28] Speaker 1: is or anything for that matter. You got to put
[41:31] Speaker 1: boots on the ground. And I give all the credit
[41:34] Speaker 1: in the world to those people like Dan and Less
[41:37] Speaker 1: and Bill and Mike Hartman and these kind of guys
[41:40] Speaker 1: that go out into the woods and they put their
[41:41] Speaker 1: lives on. You're literally putting your lives on the line
[41:44] Speaker 1: because it's not just big but you might be concerned about.
[41:47] Speaker 1: You might run into bears, you could run into wolves
[41:50] Speaker 1: or coyotes. You can run into anything or a crazy
[41:54] Speaker 1: human being in the woods. We have here in this
[41:57] Speaker 1: part of the state, the Appalachian Trail, which you know
[42:00] Speaker 1: there's a lot of people get killed on that trill, okay,
[42:03] Speaker 1: by other human being. So you've got to be careful
[42:06] Speaker 1: when you're in the woods. Use common sense techniques. Be quiet,
[42:10] Speaker 1: make sure you let people know when you go into
[42:11] Speaker 1: the woods what time to expect you back, and if
[42:14] Speaker 1: you're not back by that time, let them know your
[42:15] Speaker 1: approximate location if you can, okay, make sure take a whistle,
[42:21] Speaker 1: let people know where you're at, glow sticks something in
[42:24] Speaker 1: case you get hurt. This is what I do. Like
[42:28] Speaker 1: I said, I follow sound procedures. I can't guarantee you're
[42:32] Speaker 1: going to see a bigfoot. What I can say is
[42:35] Speaker 1: that if you follow these procedures, you have a better
[42:38] Speaker 1: chance of seeing a bigfoot instead of sitting in the
[42:42] Speaker 1: house and writing a book about it. And unfortunately, I
[42:45] Speaker 1: knew people back in the day that used to go
[42:47] Speaker 1: out in the woods, and they used to do actual
[42:50] Speaker 1: infield investigations and for one reason or another run my
[42:53] Speaker 1: age in fact, or younger than me. All they do
[42:56] Speaker 1: now is publish books to make money. Some years ago,
[43:01] Speaker 1: I actually went to this festival which I won't name,
[43:05] Speaker 1: and everybody up front. There was three or four guys
[43:08] Speaker 1: up there pumping books to an audience of about three
[43:10] Speaker 1: hundred people. That's all they were doing, and about other
[43:14] Speaker 1: people's experiences. That's great, that's wonderful, But they were pumping
[43:17] Speaker 1: books to make money. So at the end of their presentations,
[43:22] Speaker 1: they asked if anybody in there wanted to speak. Now,
[43:25] Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the front row, so I put my
[43:27] Speaker 1: hand up, of course, because I like to talk, and
[43:31] Speaker 1: they said, go ahead and talk. I talked for about
[43:33] Speaker 1: twenty five minutes or so, and when I got done speaking,
[43:36] Speaker 1: I got a standing ovation from everybody in there. Not
[43:39] Speaker 1: to brag, but because I put against common sense thing.
[43:43] Speaker 1: I talk about people, the things that people want to hear,
[43:47] Speaker 1: not about what they speculate or trying to buy somebody
[43:51] Speaker 1: else's books. And just so you know, I've been asked
[43:53] Speaker 1: to write books recently by some of my best friends
[43:56] Speaker 1: and even My wife wants me to write books before
[43:59] Speaker 1: I die, but I don't have the time for it
[44:02] Speaker 1: at this point. I do have files, extensive files, which
[44:06] Speaker 1: I will give to somebody that I trust to carry
[44:09] Speaker 1: on the work that I've already been on. There's an
[44:12] Speaker 1: old saying that we stand on the shoulders of giants. Okay, Well,
[44:17] Speaker 1: I stand on the soldiers, the shoulders of guys like
[44:19] Speaker 1: Grover Krantz, a man I deeply respect and never got
[44:23] Speaker 1: a chance to meet. Okay, Bob Gimlin, these guys, Okay,
[44:30] Speaker 1: I stand on their shoulders, and I hope somedays somebody
[44:34] Speaker 1: will stand on my shoulders and they'll look and they'll
[44:36] Speaker 1: do the same things that I've done and continue to
[44:38] Speaker 1: work and get the answers that I want and that
[44:41] Speaker 1: everybody wants. It's stems something like this. And for all
[44:44] Speaker 1: you people out there that are listening to this right now,
[44:46] Speaker 1: you experienceers, Okay, don't be afraid to come forward. I'll
[44:51] Speaker 1: give you. I'll if I'm allowed to do so. In
[44:54] Speaker 1: this podcast, I'll give you some groups I believe in
[44:57] Speaker 1: that will listen to what you have to say, including
[45:00] Speaker 1: Vic's podcast. Here. You know, I didn't get had this
[45:04] Speaker 1: first time much talk with VIC. I'm willing to come
[45:06] Speaker 1: back in the future and talk about other things as well.
[45:08] Speaker 1: I've been on number five thousand cases, by the way,
[45:10] Speaker 1: different kinds of cases, all kinds of stuff. But there
[45:14] Speaker 1: are groups that you can join that are legit. Mike
[45:17] Speaker 1: Hartman's Group in Ohio Okay, Dan ben Wads Group, ECBRO,
[45:22] Speaker 1: Brian king Sharp's Sasquatch Odyssey Okay. These are legitimate groups.
[45:28] Speaker 1: I recommend them highly so if you want to get
[45:32] Speaker 1: in there and listen to and have people actually help
[45:34] Speaker 1: you out in And just one other thing I want
[45:36] Speaker 1: to say about this. When anybody has an experience and
[45:41] Speaker 1: I go to do an investigation, the only thing I
[45:44] Speaker 1: could You know, everybody wants closures, some kind. The only
[45:48] Speaker 1: closure I can ever give somebody is this, I believe you.
[45:52] Speaker 1: That's it. Because they can't make a big foot appear,
[45:55] Speaker 1: and neither can I. But they want somebody to hear
[45:57] Speaker 1: what they have to say and to believe what they
[46:00] Speaker 1: have to say. And for all you hoaxers out there,
[46:03] Speaker 1: I got words for you. The words there is I'm
[46:05] Speaker 1: watching and if I find out you're hoaxing, guess what
[46:12] Speaker 1: or anybody in any of the groups I am find
[46:13] Speaker 1: out your hoax, and you're going to get put out
[46:15] Speaker 1: there real quick because you're hurting the genre. And for
[46:19] Speaker 1: the rest of you, they're writing books that have ever
[46:21] Speaker 1: set foot in the woods. I advise you to do
[46:24] Speaker 1: so so you know a little bit more about what
[46:26] Speaker 1: you're talking about. Get out there and put boots on
[46:28] Speaker 1: the ground.
[46:30] Speaker 2: If anyone listening to tonight's show winds up having a
[46:32] Speaker 2: close encounter with the sasquatch sometime down the road, what
[46:37] Speaker 2: advice would you give them for how to handle that.
[46:40] Speaker 1: Well, first of all, if most people don't carry cameras
[46:44] Speaker 1: and there was, they have their phones, though, So what
[46:46] Speaker 1: I would recommend is you have your phones fully charged,
[46:49] Speaker 1: first of all. And here's the problem. Even when people
[46:52] Speaker 1: do see sasquatch, they're so taken, they've never they're not
[46:54] Speaker 1: expecting to see it, right, So what do they do.
[46:57] Speaker 1: They're taken aback. By the time they react, sasqu watch
[47:00] Speaker 1: is gone. So it's going to be pretty tough to
[47:03] Speaker 1: get a photograph of these things. But what I would do,
[47:07] Speaker 1: if you encounter a sasquatch long enough try to get
[47:10] Speaker 1: a picture of it, Do not approach it. You don't
[47:14] Speaker 1: know what you're dealing with. Here, you're dealing with a creature.
[47:16] Speaker 1: It could rip you in half and not even think
[47:18] Speaker 1: about it. Okay, but try to call keep as calm
[47:23] Speaker 1: as you can. Try to get some pictures. If you
[47:25] Speaker 1: see footprints, tell somebody about it. The head can do
[47:28] Speaker 1: plaster cast to take footprints. Do not disturb the footprints, though.
[47:34] Speaker 1: Look around the footprints for hair samples. If you get
[47:38] Speaker 1: hair samples, you can put them in either a plastic
[47:41] Speaker 1: bag or they have other things you can use to
[47:42] Speaker 1: put them in where the DNA is not degraded, okay,
[47:47] Speaker 1: or damage to are contaminated. You're all going to be afraid.
[47:52] Speaker 1: I don't know anybody maybe other than myself. It's Dina
[47:56] Speaker 1: Sasquatch up close and personal that it's not going to
[47:59] Speaker 1: be afraid. Because here you are walking through the woods
[48:01] Speaker 1: and you see a creature between eight and ten feet tall,
[48:04] Speaker 1: all of a sudden in front of you. Maybe it
[48:06] Speaker 1: growls at you. It's scarce of you know. You might
[48:09] Speaker 1: wet yourself, okay for all I know, But don't try
[48:13] Speaker 1: not to be afraid. Do not make a move. If
[48:16] Speaker 1: you've got a weapon on you, do not shoot at it.
[48:20] Speaker 1: The only way I would I ever recommend you shoot
[48:22] Speaker 1: at a creature like that, is if it's coming at
[48:24] Speaker 1: you in a threatening manner, which I mean Keith Bard
[48:28] Speaker 1: running full speed at you. Okay, but do not shoot
[48:32] Speaker 1: at it. Okay. Be careful what you see in the
[48:36] Speaker 1: woods too. By the way, there are people out there
[48:38] Speaker 1: hunters out there with bow hunters, and they use gilly
[48:40] Speaker 1: suits or they use full camo gear, which I have both.
[48:43] Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not trying to get shot at
[48:46] Speaker 1: or anything of that nature. I don't want to end
[48:48] Speaker 1: up on my head on somebody's trophy wall. But just
[48:52] Speaker 1: be careful. But try and try to document, you know,
[48:55] Speaker 1: is when you calm down, try to document the area
[48:58] Speaker 1: you've seen it. Okay, write down everything you can remember
[49:02] Speaker 1: about it. The best thing you can do is try
[49:04] Speaker 1: to draw pictures as fast as you can before the
[49:07] Speaker 1: details go out of your mind. Okay. The date, the time,
[49:11] Speaker 1: and the place. You can contact myself or any of
[49:15] Speaker 1: these groups I just mentioned as well. You know, I
[49:19] Speaker 1: would not advise you to contact other groups that are
[49:24] Speaker 1: only in it to put you down or anything of
[49:26] Speaker 1: this nature. Mike Cook's another guy. He's down here in Kentucky.
[49:31] Speaker 1: He's a pretty good guy too. You can can contact
[49:34] Speaker 1: him as well, but there's a little some legitimate groups.
[49:37] Speaker 1: If you are able to get footprints in a picture, great, great, okay,
[49:42] Speaker 1: that would be wonderful and stuff, but don't try to
[49:45] Speaker 1: contaminate the area. If you find the tracks, look around
[49:47] Speaker 1: for hair samples. Do not disturb the area find them.
[49:51] Speaker 1: Your tracks can range anywhere from I don't know, thirteen
[49:55] Speaker 1: fourteen inches all the way up to twenty two inches
[49:57] Speaker 1: maybe longer. I just want to say this too, while
[50:01] Speaker 1: I'm matter, there's been people to claim Bigfoot's twenty feet tall.
[50:05] Speaker 1: I don't go for that at all. I don't believe
[50:07] Speaker 1: that for a second. I believe the maximum might be
[50:10] Speaker 1: between ten and twelve feet tops, which is large. Okay,
[50:15] Speaker 1: that's as large as the ancient cave bear ark totis. Okay.
[50:19] Speaker 1: So yeah, and I know a lot about paleontology and
[50:23] Speaker 1: anthropology and things of this nature. But anyhow, yeah, try
[50:26] Speaker 1: not to be too afraid. I mean, you're going to
[50:28] Speaker 1: be in awe. You're gonna be scared at first, but
[50:30] Speaker 1: you're going to be in awe what you saw, and
[50:31] Speaker 1: you're going to tell somebody, But you're going to be
[50:34] Speaker 1: afraid to. But there are people that will listen to
[50:37] Speaker 1: what you have to say, you know, and I'm one
[50:39] Speaker 1: of them, and I'll be more happy to talk to
[50:41] Speaker 1: you anytime, as long as it's not in the middle
[50:43] Speaker 1: of the night. Okay.
[50:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, some people will do that too. Good idea to
[50:48] Speaker 2: put that out there.
[50:50] Speaker 1: Yeah they have already.
[50:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what that's like. Do you base your
[50:55] Speaker 2: opinion on them being extraterrestrials on their ability to do
[50:58] Speaker 2: things like push over big mature trees, run so fast
[51:03] Speaker 2: and do so many of these other amazing things they do,
[51:06] Speaker 2: or something else.
[51:08] Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this. I base it on
[51:10] Speaker 1: the fact that of the seven cases where people the
[51:13] Speaker 1: credible people have seen this, including one man was a
[51:16] Speaker 1: police officer, Okay, he has no reasonable lie. And I
[51:19] Speaker 1: mean when you go out as an investigator, you have
[51:22] Speaker 1: to be gaptical to a point, but open mind, okay.
[51:26] Speaker 1: And when you see somebody and you can see the
[51:29] Speaker 1: emotions rising in them, okay, and they're able to show
[51:33] Speaker 1: you and their story doesn't change, It stays the same
[51:36] Speaker 1: every time. Okay. They can show you the area, they
[51:39] Speaker 1: can tell you the time of day, that kind of stuff.
[51:42] Speaker 1: You got to kind of tend to believe what they're
[51:43] Speaker 1: saying as far as the extraterrestrial encounter, and I don't
[51:48] Speaker 1: subscribe to the interdimensional thing. I got a friend that
[51:51] Speaker 1: says they're in indimensional. All that's he's entitled to his opinion.
[51:54] Speaker 1: But he's never seen a bigfoot. Okay, I have Okay,
[51:59] Speaker 1: I don't believe they're in dimensional as far as with
[52:01] Speaker 1: their abilities. Well, look at it this way. A gorilla
[52:03] Speaker 1: can knock over a small tree, right. I remember when
[52:07] Speaker 1: I was a kid, I went up to Washington Fairgrounds
[52:09] Speaker 1: up here in Pennsylvania and I was up there and
[52:13] Speaker 1: I was in the band at the time, and that's
[52:15] Speaker 1: when they used to allow animals to fight humans. And
[52:18] Speaker 1: they had an orangutang was about five feet paul with
[52:20] Speaker 1: a seven foot armspan and had a round cage and
[52:23] Speaker 1: he had a muzzle on this thing because they have fangs.
[52:26] Speaker 1: And this marine got in there to fight this oranguting.
[52:28] Speaker 1: You get one hundred dollars if you lasted three minutes. Well,
[52:31] Speaker 1: he walked in. The first thing he did was punch
[52:33] Speaker 1: the orangutang in the face, and the orangutang ran up
[52:35] Speaker 1: the side of the cage with his feet reached down
[52:38] Speaker 1: and beat this guy half to death, so nobody else
[52:41] Speaker 1: went in. They took him out in an ambulance. It
[52:44] Speaker 1: was a marine about six two about two twenty. Anyhow,
[52:48] Speaker 1: if you walk further down, they had a six hundred
[52:50] Speaker 1: pound mountain gorilla sitting in the cage there. You know
[52:52] Speaker 1: these big truck tires. He was taking his truck tire,
[52:56] Speaker 1: bending it like I would bend a bottle cap back
[52:59] Speaker 1: and forth. And you've got one hundred dollars if you
[53:01] Speaker 1: last at one minute. Nobody try to get in the
[53:03] Speaker 1: cage with a gorilla. So if a gorilla can do it,
[53:06] Speaker 1: and other animals can do it, why not a bigfoot.
[53:09] Speaker 1: As far as it's speed, well you have the cheet
[53:12] Speaker 1: It can run seventy miles an hour. Doesn't mean it's
[53:14] Speaker 1: extra terrestrial, but it can run seventy miles an hour. Okay,
[53:18] Speaker 1: so I mean I can. Look. You're a product of
[53:21] Speaker 1: your environment, okay, look at okay, why do chimpanzees have
[53:26] Speaker 1: long arms? Let me ask you that. Well, i'll tell
[53:29] Speaker 1: you why. Well, first of all, they swing in trees
[53:31] Speaker 1: a lot, don't they. And they also climb trees to
[53:34] Speaker 1: avoid predators, don't they? Bigfoot has long arms too, so
[53:38] Speaker 1: wherever it's from, it's not the top predator. It can
[53:41] Speaker 1: climb trees. We have accounts of young Bigfoot especially climbing trees.
[53:47] Speaker 1: So if you have long arms, you want to climb
[53:49] Speaker 1: trees to get away from something. Chimpanzees have the strength
[53:52] Speaker 1: of seven men. Okay, So these are natural creatures we
[53:57] Speaker 1: know exist. Okay, so why not Bigfoot? And like I
[54:00] Speaker 1: started to say, you are a product of your environment.
[54:02] Speaker 1: What creature on Earth? Do you know that it has
[54:04] Speaker 1: green glowing eyes? That eyes glow all by themselves. I
[54:09] Speaker 1: believe that big Book can see in different spectrums. We
[54:11] Speaker 1: as human beings, only see in a very narrow spectrum. Okay,
[54:16] Speaker 1: these creatures can see in the night. We need night
[54:18] Speaker 1: vision goggles for that, we need infrared thermal imagers for that.
[54:23] Speaker 1: They don't okay. They exist in the environment. Every environment
[54:28] Speaker 1: on Earth. They live and they can live in the swamp,
[54:29] Speaker 1: they can live in in the snow, they can live
[54:31] Speaker 1: in the mountains. I mean, my god, these creatures so
[54:35] Speaker 1: highly adaptable. You know, they don't need technology. We as
[54:38] Speaker 1: human beings, we can live anywhere on Earth, but we
[54:41] Speaker 1: need technology. We can live at the South Pole, right
[54:44] Speaker 1: but we have to have technology that let us stay there.
[54:47] Speaker 1: They don't. These creatures live than the him Malayas. They
[54:51] Speaker 1: don't have technology, but they live there. They live in
[54:55] Speaker 1: deep forest and like I said, in swamps, they don't
[54:58] Speaker 1: have technology. I just don't know what to make of them.
[55:02] Speaker 1: I mean, the more answers I think I find, the
[55:06] Speaker 1: more questions. It's like going down in one rabbit hole going
[55:09] Speaker 1: into another one. I just don't know. And that's why
[55:12] Speaker 1: I call myself an explorer of the unknown, not an expert.
[55:15] Speaker 1: And as I said earlier to your viewers, there is
[55:17] Speaker 1: no such thing as experts. Anybody tells you when you
[55:20] Speaker 1: call them or talk to them and says they're an
[55:21] Speaker 1: expert in bigfoot or anything paranormal for that matter, are
[55:25] Speaker 1: lying to you and delusional and full of nonsense, because
[55:29] Speaker 1: there are no experts in these fields. We're all seekers
[55:32] Speaker 1: of the unknown, explorers of the unknown. And I send
[55:36] Speaker 1: a word of caution to your viewers too, to a
[55:40] Speaker 1: lot of these shows they put on TV. You can't
[55:43] Speaker 1: take a lot of these shows for face value. For instance,
[55:46] Speaker 1: one show I know of every noise they hear in
[55:49] Speaker 1: the wood is bigfoot related. Well, just so you know,
[55:52] Speaker 1: trees rub against each other and make noise. Not every
[55:56] Speaker 1: structure in the woods is made by a bigfoot. Trees
[55:58] Speaker 1: do fall down, and they fall in certain ways that
[56:00] Speaker 1: looks sort of like tepees too. It's not bigfoot, doesn't
[56:04] Speaker 1: mean it's bigfoot related. You have to use common sense, Okay,
[56:09] Speaker 1: simple as that do. I ascribe to the UFO connection
[56:15] Speaker 1: only because these creatures have been around for one thousands
[56:18] Speaker 1: of years. In my opinion, based on my research and
[56:22] Speaker 1: by Native American law and legend, they've been around a
[56:25] Speaker 1: long time, long before the rising of any real civilization
[56:30] Speaker 1: in this country or anywhere in the world for that matter. Okay,
[56:35] Speaker 1: and accounts from like the people live in Himalaya as
[56:39] Speaker 1: a sharp us. Okay, these people are not highly educated,
[56:44] Speaker 1: but they know about a bigfoot type creature they call yetti.
[56:48] Speaker 1: So I think these creatures were brought here millennia ago.
[56:52] Speaker 1: Now for what purpose, Well, again, I can only speculate.
[56:56] Speaker 1: Maybe they were brought here by the little gray aliens
[56:59] Speaker 1: which are and maybe at that time during the Paleolithic
[57:03] Speaker 1: era when we had megafloora megafaunnel like the saber toothed
[57:06] Speaker 1: lion and tiger, the giant dire wolf okay, the ad
[57:12] Speaker 1: Andrew sharkas okay, which is the biggest land predator at
[57:15] Speaker 1: the time. Maybe they were afraid to do that work
[57:18] Speaker 1: themselves on the ground, so they send Bigfoot, who are
[57:20] Speaker 1: big and powerful and can climb trees and are intelligent
[57:23] Speaker 1: to do their work for them. I don't know. I
[57:27] Speaker 1: just don't know. Again, these are all speculations, and I
[57:29] Speaker 1: won't sit down and write a book about that because
[57:31] Speaker 1: it's again it's speculations. I want answers, concrete answers, and
[57:36] Speaker 1: the only way I want to get is if I
[57:37] Speaker 1: go out in the woods. Now people say they want
[57:40] Speaker 1: to go out look for Bigfoot, and my question is this,
[57:43] Speaker 1: what do you do when you find him? Okay, well,
[57:47] Speaker 1: you're not going to capture him. You're not going to
[57:49] Speaker 1: last at them with a rope or throw a chain
[57:51] Speaker 1: on even bring him drag him back to civilization, because
[57:54] Speaker 1: they're just too powerful. I've often asked, and I put
[57:58] Speaker 1: it out there that I'm willing to go with if
[58:01] Speaker 1: some organization, some philanthropist has a lot of money and
[58:05] Speaker 1: they're willing to spend it for their interest in Bigfoot,
[58:09] Speaker 1: to fund an expedition for a year i'd go on it.
[58:13] Speaker 1: I take people that I trust with me, and experts
[58:16] Speaker 1: like doctor Meldrine, an real anthropologist, you know. Even even
[58:22] Speaker 1: what's the young ladies? The lady's name the gorilla expert.
[58:27] Speaker 1: Oh jeez, she says, that's a Diane Fosse. I'm sorry,
[58:31] Speaker 1: a little bit of a little. You know, I'm old,
[58:33] Speaker 1: and I sometimes I get a little for I have
[58:35] Speaker 1: some timers going on. Sometimes I remember, sometimes I don't.
[58:39] Speaker 1: But uh, even she says the possibility exists that they
[58:42] Speaker 1: are real, and she says that I take her word
[58:45] Speaker 1: over anybody. Okay, I'm not knocking to work with legitimate people.
[58:51] Speaker 1: But there's been so many sightings. Even if one percent
[58:53] Speaker 1: of these sightings are true, that means they exist. Correct,
[58:57] Speaker 1: they exist? What are they? I don't know, and nobody
[59:03] Speaker 1: really knows. Now. There's also speculation the governments recovered some
[59:07] Speaker 1: wounded or dead Sasquatch when they had the fires and
[59:11] Speaker 1: when Mount St. Helens erupted. I kind of believe that.
[59:14] Speaker 1: I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I
[59:17] Speaker 1: kind of believe that. I got to tell you one
[59:20] Speaker 1: more thing now, I have a brother that worked late
[59:24] Speaker 1: at night till eleven o'clock at night and he was
[59:26] Speaker 1: driving down that same highway I told you where the
[59:28] Speaker 1: police officer saw bigfoot squatting alongside the road. He got
[59:33] Speaker 1: off working around eleven. He was traveling down this road
[59:36] Speaker 1: and he saw lights and police officers and there was
[59:40] Speaker 1: two cars that were crashed, both facing the same direction.
[59:44] Speaker 1: My brother pulled up and he asked the local police
[59:47] Speaker 1: chief who was there and what's going on. The police
[59:49] Speaker 1: chief says, I don't know. The state police won't let
[59:51] Speaker 1: us get close, and there's military police and army people here.
[59:56] Speaker 1: They were transporting what he said looked like about an
[59:58] Speaker 1: eight foot tall creature on a journey and putting in
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: the back of one of these deuce and a half trucks.
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: They were in charge of recovering whatever it was. I
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: guess these two cars hit this thing and just destroyed
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: the both cars on this highway, and that was only
[1:00:14] Speaker 1: a few hundred yards away from my ten foot tall one.
[1:00:18] Speaker 1: So why would the government get involved? What do they
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: know that we don't know? I mean, I could go
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: on and on and on. Maybe you'll have me back
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: on your show, because I have lot of stuff to
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: tell you about. But we were kind of living in time.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to bring you back. That's music to
[1:00:33] Speaker 2: my ears. And I do have one more question for you.
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: I think I've got a pretty good bead on where
[1:00:38] Speaker 2: you stand on a lot of these points, but here's
[1:00:41] Speaker 2: one that I'm not too sure about. You said that
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: you don't think they're interdimensional, But do you think they
[1:00:46] Speaker 2: can mind speak with eyewitnesses?
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: Yes, yes I do, And I'm gonna tell you something
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: about that. If they can do that, do you know
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: any other creature on the plan that can do that?
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: Any natural creature on none? Not one? Right That alone
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: should tell you all you need to know. I believe
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: that it could talk. I believe they have a rudimentary language.
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: I mean, the Native Americans said they could speak, and
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: these mind talk with them. So why not? Simple as that?
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: Why not? So yeah, I believe that you know, and
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: I think sometimes too, that these creatures can sense what
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: your your intentions are toward them. If you go into
[1:01:25] Speaker 1: the woods loaded for bear and you want to you
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: have a gun on your side, and you want to
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: you're excited, and you want to hunt one down, maybe
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: shoot at it or whatever, I think these creatures can
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: sense it and you won't see one. But I think
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: if you go in there with an open mind and
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: a clear mind and a clear heart, your chances are
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: better at seeing something than if you did it the
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: other way. I believe that, and I always go into
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: the woods like that. I don't go in with any
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: harm in my heart or anything, harm anything or anyone.
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: I go in here to get answers. If I see one, great,
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: I've seen them five times times, five times, okay, since
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Before that, I ever saw one because
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: I never looked for him, as simple as that. I
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: was into the UFO thing, okay, and all the ghosts
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: and all that. I have ghosts on my phone right now.
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: Ghost pictures I just took about well just before Christmas
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: at a castle and brownsold people and I wasn't even
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: on an investigation. Was a tour ou lot and other
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: people saw him too. But anyhow, I'll send you those
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: pictures if you want to see him. I also got
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: pictures of UFOs that Howard Over taught me was on
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: the ground. I have witnesses for that too, Okay. I
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: mean I got all kinds of stuff. I mean, I
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: just look, the more I learned, the less I know.
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: That's why I quit it. You know, I try to
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: be a student of everything. I don't know everything, but
[1:02:50] Speaker 1: every day I try to learn something new. Like I said,
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: I know a lot about anthropology and paleontology. You know.
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: Astronomy is my main hobby, just so you know, I
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: know what to look at in the night sky. I'm
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: a really good tracker. My dad was a police chief
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: where I was. He taught me his investigated tech. Deciced
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: to go with him to rest people for crying out
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: loud when I was young. So I took the things
[1:03:13] Speaker 1: he taught me on doing a proper investigation, and I
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: modified it to what I do now. And that's what
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: I like to teach people how to do it the
[1:03:22] Speaker 1: right way. Don't go in the woods making a lot
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: of noise expecting the seeing, and you're gonna see anything.
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: You're not gonna even see a deer. You don't want
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: to see a rabbit if you make enough noise, right,
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: you know. But these shows, like I said, they have
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: them on TV, they're every noise in the woods big Foot.
[1:03:36] Speaker 1: Every tree branch of breaks, a bigfoot made it. Every
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: structure or any three falls on the ground, a big
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: foot made it. No If we're only that easy. If
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: it were only that easy, I've had five encounters in
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: sixty years. That should tell you all, you know, all
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: you need to know. And the thing about that is
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: other people saw him before I did. They were on
[1:03:59] Speaker 1: site before I was even there. You know. My wife
[1:04:01] Speaker 1: saw the one going up to Cooper's Rock, West, Virginia
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: before I even saw it. So yeah, I mean, it's
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: just it's just crazy. Yeah, I don't believe. I don't
[1:04:10] Speaker 1: believe they use portals. I mean, I don't know. Maybe
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: they do, but I've never seen one, never seen a portal.
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: Until I do, I can say, well, I don't know
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: if I'll be open mind enough saying maybe it's a possibility. Okay. Anyhow,
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: So that's what I got to say for today.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: Well that's fair.
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: That is fair.
[1:04:29] Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, John, if anyone listening
[1:04:32] Speaker 2: wants to report a sighting for an encounter to you,
[1:04:36] Speaker 2: is there an email address that they could use to
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: do that?
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: Yes, there is, and it's a pretty easy one too.
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: It's Alien A. L. I E. N eight six one
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: five two at gmail dot com. That's my birthday, by
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: the way, eight six fifty two. So I expect a
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: birthday card from you, Dick on my birthday.
[1:04:59] Speaker 2: It's a the mail, all right.
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: You're a good in then. Well, thanks again so much
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: for coming on sharing all these experiences with us, John,
[1:05:08] Speaker 2: and of course you're always welcome to come back for
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: a part.
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: Too, No problem, we can do that if you want.
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: After I come back from my investigation up on the
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: six and twenty seven, we can do one after that.
[1:05:20] Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, I'll be here.
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: Just let me know, all.
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: Right, buddy, Thank you, take care and thank you for
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: having me on, and thank you to all your listeners
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: as well well.
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Have a good night.
[1:05:38] Speaker 3: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
[1:05:42] Speaker 3: Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
[1:05:46] Speaker 3: like to be a guest on the show, please go
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd
[1:05:52] Speaker 3: love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, Have a
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: great night.

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