# Deep in the Heart of Sasquatch Country - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 475

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 7 Jun 2025, 1 h 05 min.

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Tonight’s guest, Jerry Millwood Jr., lives in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, near the South Mountains Mountain Chain, in Western North Carolina. There are a lot of things about the area where Jerry lives that appeal to him. One of the most appealing things to him about living where he does, however, is the presence of Sasquatch there. While it’s true that some people would be ready to pull up stakes and move the moment they found out they had Sasquatch living close to their home, that’s not the case with Jerry. He loves the fact that he might see one at any given time while he’s walking around his property. On tonight’s show, Jerry’s not only going to share some of the sightings and experiences he’s had with them, he’s also going to share some experiences other eyewitnesses have shared with him. We hope you’ll listen to him do that. If you’ve had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: My name is Jerry Millwood Junior.
[0:03] Speaker 2: I'm a resident of western North Carolina in the foothills
[0:06] Speaker 2: of the Appalachian Mountains, near the mountain chain called the
[0:09] Speaker 2: South Mountains plural, and I lived near the town a Caser,
[0:14] Speaker 2: North Carolina, and I live deep in the heart of
[0:18] Speaker 2: Sasquatch country.
[0:20] Speaker 1: I have a.
[0:20] Speaker 2: Lifelong interest in this subject, as well as other paranormal
[0:25] Speaker 2: subjects and out of the ordinary subjects. I became interested
[0:29] Speaker 2: in all this as a child nineteen seventy something when
[0:33] Speaker 2: my grandfather took me to see Legend of Bargie Creek.
[0:36] Speaker 2: And then I got a book when I was ten
[0:38] Speaker 2: years old called Bigfoot by B. N. Slat and Alan Berry,
[0:42] Speaker 2: and then I was hooked on the subject. For entertainment purposes.
[0:46] Speaker 2: I moved into the foothills, went back to my roots.
[0:49] Speaker 2: A lot of my family came out of out of Appalachia,
[0:53] Speaker 2: and I began to have experiences, and I began to
[0:55] Speaker 2: talk to many different people over the last five years
[0:59] Speaker 2: or so about their experiences, and I am here to
[1:03] Speaker 2: share all of that with you and your listeners today.
[1:09] Speaker 2: My first Sasquatch sighting was in August of twenty seventeen
[1:15] Speaker 2: at about nine thirty that night, my wife and I
[1:19] Speaker 2: turned onto our dead end road there near the South Mountains,
[1:24] Speaker 2: and the lights of the vehicle swept a cornfield, now
[1:27] Speaker 2: the corn At that time of year, the corn was
[1:29] Speaker 2: fully grown, and we saw this sasquatch just standing a
[1:35] Speaker 2: couple feet outside of the cornfield looking at us. At first,
[1:39] Speaker 2: it was a big, dark silhouette. Got a little bit closer,
[1:42] Speaker 2: the details came in the focus, and as it registered
[1:47] Speaker 2: with me, I put the brakes on on the car.
[1:49] Speaker 2: My wife was keeping her eyes on the big foot,
[1:54] Speaker 2: and I put it in reverse, and my idea was
[1:56] Speaker 2: to get the headlights directly onto the cornfield. And as
[1:59] Speaker 2: I was doing that, it stepped into the corn and
[2:03] Speaker 2: I didn't get to see the actual creature anymore, but
[2:08] Speaker 2: I could see the top of its head, you know,
[2:11] Speaker 2: as it went the opposite direction in the cornfield, and
[2:14] Speaker 2: I could see the.
[2:16] Speaker 1: Corn stalks bending as it went.
[2:19] Speaker 2: I went back the next day during daytime hours, hoping
[2:22] Speaker 2: to find something of hair or footprints, but very hard
[2:26] Speaker 2: soil was We was in a semi dry period and
[2:29] Speaker 2: we have Carolina red red clay, so there were no tracks.
[2:36] Speaker 2: But the fact that my wife was with me when
[2:38] Speaker 2: it happened. That was a godsend, because had I been
[2:40] Speaker 2: by myself, I don't know that I would have ever
[2:43] Speaker 2: told anyone outside of my wife.
[2:46] Speaker 1: But I kept it under wraps.
[2:48] Speaker 2: And I didn't talk about it with just anyone. I
[2:52] Speaker 2: spent a lot of time in the woods, and I
[2:54] Speaker 2: had already been finding things like tree breaks, tree breaks
[2:58] Speaker 2: of small trees that large in diamond, or trees that
[3:03] Speaker 2: the average human being can't grab and break, especially while
[3:08] Speaker 2: they're still alive. We call it a green break, and
[3:12] Speaker 2: that had already registered questions in my head. But again,
[3:15] Speaker 2: at that point in my life, it was merely a
[3:16] Speaker 2: subject of entertainment for me.
[3:18] Speaker 1: More or less.
[3:19] Speaker 2: I was interested in it, but it was mainly for entertainment.
[3:23] Speaker 2: But then when I had that sighting a bug bit
[3:26] Speaker 2: me was it? The subject just had me one hundred percent.
[3:31] Speaker 2: I was all in and started this quest because of
[3:36] Speaker 2: my curiosity.
[3:38] Speaker 1: The need to know.
[3:41] Speaker 2: Spent more time in the woods, started seeing more evidence.
[3:44] Speaker 2: And that's the general rule of this whole thing is
[3:47] Speaker 2: the more time you spend out in the field, out
[3:50] Speaker 2: in the woods, in the mountains, foothills, or wherever you live,
[3:55] Speaker 2: the more you increase your chances of finding evidence, and
[3:59] Speaker 2: the more that you crease your chances of actually having
[4:02] Speaker 2: a sighting of your own. I have an advantage that
[4:06] Speaker 2: many people don't. I live there, and every night i'm outside.
[4:11] Speaker 2: I've got thirteen dogs, and because of the fact that animals,
[4:17] Speaker 2: especially dogs in our area are killed or disappeared at
[4:21] Speaker 2: a very high rate, none of them get to run free.
[4:24] Speaker 2: So at night I'm taking all those dogs out, one
[4:26] Speaker 2: or two at a time, and often I will just
[4:28] Speaker 2: set a chair in my backyard and sit and listen
[4:33] Speaker 2: and watch. I have had more experiences than I can
[4:38] Speaker 2: count of hearing the various vocalizations wood knocks. The very
[4:45] Speaker 2: first unexplained we'll call that a noise that I heard
[4:49] Speaker 2: was a wood knock, and it was early in the morning,
[4:51] Speaker 2: about five point thirty before I retired, and I had
[4:56] Speaker 2: the window open. It was summer, and there was two
[4:58] Speaker 2: crystal clear tree knocks from across the road in a holler.
[5:04] Speaker 2: That was the very first time I actually ever heard anything,
[5:07] Speaker 2: and that was about in the summer of twenty fifteen,
[5:10] Speaker 2: but still yet I didn't necessarily mark it as a
[5:13] Speaker 2: milestone at the time. But since then, we've heard the
[5:17] Speaker 2: various types of whoops, wells ape like noises. If I
[5:25] Speaker 2: go inside and tell my wife, who's usually laying down
[5:29] Speaker 2: by the nd, hey there's a lot of ruckus in
[5:31] Speaker 2: the woods tonight. She's heard it all, she says. If
[5:35] Speaker 2: we don't have one standing in the backyard, I'm just
[5:37] Speaker 2: going to stay in bed. That's how commonplace it is.
[5:39] Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we hear the vocalizations every single night,
[5:43] Speaker 2: but we hear them a lot because I live in
[5:45] Speaker 2: the midst of it, and I count that now as
[5:47] Speaker 2: a blessing. During the winter months, which is the busiest time,
[5:52] Speaker 2: that's when we experience the most often. Every night it
[5:58] Speaker 2: may go for said, make nine ten days in a row,
[6:01] Speaker 2: we get to hear things.
[6:03] Speaker 1: Of course, I have a recorder.
[6:05] Speaker 2: I invested in a very nice recorder, and I've gotten
[6:07] Speaker 2: plenty of these vocalizations and these tree knocks and such things.
[6:11] Speaker 2: I've got them on audio recording. But in December of
[6:18] Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, one of my family members was staying with us,
[6:22] Speaker 2: and I won't say which, because he's in a profession
[6:27] Speaker 2: where I have to kind of protect him. And I
[6:30] Speaker 2: think the listeners, I think you guys will understand what
[6:33] Speaker 2: I'm saying, because if you've had an experience and you
[6:36] Speaker 2: share it, it can not just hurt you socially in
[6:40] Speaker 2: terms of people maybe giving you a hard time or
[6:43] Speaker 2: mocking you, but professionally there are some professions where it
[6:47] Speaker 2: could hurt. So that was a long way of saying,
[6:49] Speaker 2: I'm going to protect my witness's identity. And we heard
[6:54] Speaker 2: the dogs outside, the neighbors dogs not mine. We heard
[6:59] Speaker 2: them eating quite the ruckus and I went out to investigate.
[7:03] Speaker 1: It was about ten o'clock at night.
[7:05] Speaker 2: I had already finished walking my dogs, and I noticed
[7:09] Speaker 2: a redbone hound in particular, was pacing the outside of
[7:12] Speaker 2: my pasture fence up and down the hill, and it's
[7:14] Speaker 2: a very steep hill, and he was beside himself.
[7:17] Speaker 1: He was livid.
[7:19] Speaker 2: So I went back inside and got my family member
[7:22] Speaker 2: and I got a couple of spotlights, and I asked
[7:26] Speaker 2: my family member to grab his phone and we went
[7:29] Speaker 2: out and we went into the pasture because it was
[7:32] Speaker 2: clear that the dog was upset about something in the pasture.
[7:36] Speaker 2: I also noticed that my animals, malamas and my pacas
[7:39] Speaker 2: and my goats were all gathered up as far up
[7:42] Speaker 2: the hill as they could get, right beside the fence
[7:44] Speaker 2: as though they were seeking safety, and I instructed my
[7:47] Speaker 2: family member to take his phone into just pan back
[7:51] Speaker 2: and forth, and I was going to try to shine
[7:54] Speaker 2: the spotlights back and forth.
[7:58] Speaker 1: And for a quick glimpse.
[8:00] Speaker 2: We saw an absolutely massive creature at the very bottom
[8:05] Speaker 2: of my pasture, standing by a red oak tree. And
[8:09] Speaker 2: this is a couple of seconds before it just literally
[8:12] Speaker 2: turned and walked into the darkness, and I'm sure it
[8:15] Speaker 2: stepped right over my four foot filled wire fence. However,
[8:21] Speaker 2: my family member and who faithfully kept panting with his phone,
[8:28] Speaker 2: got a picture of it. And that's the one thing
[8:31] Speaker 2: that I've held back from the public that I haven't
[8:35] Speaker 2: released yet, but I do intend to do that.
[8:38] Speaker 1: When the time is right.
[8:40] Speaker 2: And extrapolating with the tree that was standing near, he
[8:45] Speaker 2: was looking at about seven and a half feet tall,
[8:49] Speaker 2: and I would guess that it's weighs upwards of four
[8:51] Speaker 2: or five hundred pounds, and it was over before I
[8:58] Speaker 2: even realized that it was a few seconds. But that
[9:03] Speaker 2: one even made an even bigger impact on me because
[9:06] Speaker 2: that one was standing one hundred yards give or take
[9:09] Speaker 2: from my back porch. That night, we also smelled the odor.
[9:17] Speaker 2: The odor of these creatures can be tremendously strong if
[9:22] Speaker 2: they're close enough to you. It's something we have experienced
[9:24] Speaker 2: many times, whether it be to us just living our lives,
[9:28] Speaker 2: being outside some at night, rarely during the day time
[9:30] Speaker 2: do we have any.
[9:31] Speaker 1: Experiences where we live.
[9:34] Speaker 2: The odor has been so overwhelming at times that we
[9:38] Speaker 2: smelled it inside our house while we were sitting in
[9:40] Speaker 2: our living room or in our bedroom. I'm puzzled because
[9:44] Speaker 2: there's been other times when I knew they were close.
[9:47] Speaker 2: I heard walking in the thick Appalachian leaf litter of
[9:52] Speaker 2: the forest. And if you spend enough time in the
[9:55] Speaker 2: woods in a given area, you will become tuned in
[10:00] Speaker 2: to when you're hearing things out of the ordinary. And
[10:02] Speaker 2: it certainly was enough all these times that I've heard
[10:05] Speaker 2: the walking down in the woods just below my property.
[10:08] Speaker 2: I've heard the distinct sound of something heavy, flat footed
[10:13] Speaker 2: traversing the woods at the bottom of my property.
[10:17] Speaker 1: I have had a number of experiences.
[10:21] Speaker 2: When I have to go out to my pasture and
[10:23] Speaker 2: check do a headcount on my animals. If there's one missing,
[10:26] Speaker 2: I have to go find it, and often, for whatever reason,
[10:32] Speaker 2: maybe my animals just like to give me a hard time.
[10:34] Speaker 2: They will go all the way to the bottom of
[10:36] Speaker 2: the pasture, and again it's a very steep hill, and
[10:39] Speaker 2: the pasture terminates right at the deep woods, and interestingly enough,
[10:43] Speaker 2: there is an old graveyard in those woods. One occasion,
[10:48] Speaker 2: as I was spotlighting looking for my animal, there was
[10:53] Speaker 2: the first time I ever saw this, but not the last.
[10:57] Speaker 2: I illuminated a set of eyes looking at me in
[11:00] Speaker 2: the forest and they were red up until then, I
[11:04] Speaker 2: had only seen the green eye shine. And in all honesty,
[11:09] Speaker 2: it shook me up somewhat.
[11:12] Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting it.
[11:13] Speaker 2: And things tend to happen, the most dramatic things tend
[11:17] Speaker 2: to happen when you're not expecting it.
[11:19] Speaker 1: However that works, I don't know.
[11:21] Speaker 2: But one other occasion, I was down there again, same scenario.
[11:25] Speaker 1: I was looking for an animal.
[11:28] Speaker 2: In that case, it was an outpack of that that
[11:30] Speaker 2: wasn't accounted for, and something started whistling at me from
[11:35] Speaker 2: the woods. That was a very eerie, very eerie experience.
[11:42] Speaker 2: I know my woods. I've been a lifelong outdoorsman. I
[11:46] Speaker 2: know the nighttime sounds of western North Carolina and Appalachia
[11:49] Speaker 2: in general, and that was that was a clearly something
[11:57] Speaker 2: that was that was making this ongoing whistling sound on purpose,
[12:01] Speaker 2: and I could tell by the volume that it was
[12:03] Speaker 2: coming from a large creature.
[12:08] Speaker 1: And then as quick as that started, it stopped.
[12:11] Speaker 2: It was very close, and this is puzzling, and I
[12:14] Speaker 2: don't have an adequate explanation for it. But that night,
[12:18] Speaker 2: I know I was within thirty at the most forty
[12:21] Speaker 2: yards to the source of this whistling noise, but I
[12:23] Speaker 2: did not smell the smell. Another occasion, same thing, looking
[12:30] Speaker 2: for an animal in that case.
[12:32] Speaker 1: In this case, it was one of my cats that
[12:33] Speaker 1: got out of the house.
[12:34] Speaker 2: And I'm very protective of my animals, and I said,
[12:37] Speaker 2: oh no, big boy, you're not getting into these woods
[12:39] Speaker 2: because everything in.
[12:40] Speaker 1: These woods are going to want to eat you.
[12:41] Speaker 2: And I wound up at the bottom next to the woods,
[12:44] Speaker 2: and as I was getting ready to scoop the cat up,
[12:47] Speaker 2: I realized it wasn't even my cat. And from the woodline,
[12:53] Speaker 2: I'm going to estimate thirty yards at the most I
[12:57] Speaker 2: got yelled at, and I'm going to it's a poor
[12:59] Speaker 2: a to empty, but I'm going to imitate that for you.
[13:03] Speaker 1: The first part of it was a.
[13:06] Speaker 2: Followed by this sound of exhaling air, and I can
[13:10] Speaker 2: only equate it to if you took a giant inner
[13:14] Speaker 2: tube or a giant tire and slashed it all of
[13:17] Speaker 2: a sudden, and the whooshing sound of that air coming
[13:20] Speaker 2: out of that tire is what it reminded me of,
[13:24] Speaker 2: like a big tractor tire or something. And on another occasion,
[13:29] Speaker 2: I was in my pasture, and this was very late
[13:31] Speaker 2: at night because I was off schedule. I noticed deer
[13:36] Speaker 2: or inside my pasture, and not just one or two,
[13:40] Speaker 2: there was seven or eight. And to the eastern side
[13:45] Speaker 2: of my pasture is a field.
[13:46] Speaker 1: And it's unkept. It's not mode.
[13:49] Speaker 2: And I got yelled at again with that deep base,
[13:53] Speaker 2: low frequency yelled.
[13:57] Speaker 1: And I could actually feel.
[13:58] Speaker 2: It'd fill the base vibrations. It was close enough. I
[14:02] Speaker 2: had heard people testify as to that before. I wasn't
[14:05] Speaker 2: sure if I believed them and that, but that night
[14:07] Speaker 2: I became a believer. And if you're close enough to
[14:11] Speaker 2: them and they do this deep base vocalization, you will
[14:14] Speaker 2: actually feel it. I felt it like I was standing
[14:17] Speaker 2: next to a giant base speaker at a concert. One
[14:21] Speaker 2: of the other big parts to all of this was
[14:24] Speaker 2: I put together as team and we started trying to
[14:28] Speaker 2: camp during the winter months and do night hikes, and
[14:32] Speaker 2: we've been doing that since twenty twenty, since November of
[14:36] Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And the first the first time that we
[14:39] Speaker 2: did it, we set up camp in a creek bottom.
[14:42] Speaker 2: We planned our night hike. We hiked onto high ground.
[14:47] Speaker 2: There's a ridge that runs south on my property. We
[14:50] Speaker 2: heard a vocalization. It was that same deep base guttural
[14:56] Speaker 2: sound followed by that sound of air pushing or blowing.
[15:05] Speaker 2: That got our attention. We stopped and we stayed silent.
[15:09] Speaker 2: We observed, and I will give everybody out there listening
[15:13] Speaker 2: to this podcast a piece of advice if you're doing this,
[15:16] Speaker 2: if you're going out and you're bigfoot hunting or hunting
[15:21] Speaker 2: any other cryptid, don't go out with the group and
[15:24] Speaker 2: everybody's got your flashlights shining in seventeen different directions and
[15:28] Speaker 2: everybody's loud, Move silent, stop and listen and observe. And
[15:33] Speaker 2: that's what we did. We could hear something walking down
[15:36] Speaker 2: at the base of the ridge that we was on.
[15:40] Speaker 2: We continued our height, no other incidents. We reached a
[15:46] Speaker 2: terminus and we turn around and we backtracked as we
[15:48] Speaker 2: were coming down off of the high ground on the
[15:51] Speaker 2: western end of that ridge. Out of the blue, from
[15:55] Speaker 2: our right to our left, a rock came in thrown
[15:59] Speaker 2: from aarticularly wooded area and it.
[16:03] Speaker 1: Almost hit the guy in front of me. It came.
[16:06] Speaker 2: I had the headlight on on my hat and I
[16:10] Speaker 2: saw the object, and at first I thought it was
[16:14] Speaker 2: a bat, But then when I heard it thud on
[16:16] Speaker 2: the ground, everybody heard it thud on the ground. We stopped.
[16:21] Speaker 2: The guy in front of me said he caught it
[16:23] Speaker 2: coming in just as it was maybe a foot or
[16:28] Speaker 2: two from him, and he moved his head backward just
[16:30] Speaker 2: a little bit, and we were very excited. We went
[16:35] Speaker 2: back to camp stayed the rest of the night. Only
[16:38] Speaker 2: one other incident where we heard some vocalizations. We heard
[16:41] Speaker 2: the classic hoop noises generally what we hear in my area,
[16:46] Speaker 2: and people have slight variations in their vocalizations that they
[16:50] Speaker 2: hear from region to region, but it sounds something like
[16:52] Speaker 2: this wop or sometimes just a single hoop whoop, just
[17:00] Speaker 2: a single whoop. So we were excited to plan the
[17:05] Speaker 2: next one and the next. The next one was in
[17:11] Speaker 2: the late winter, approaching springtime when camp that would have
[17:18] Speaker 2: been about February of twenty twenty one, we again did
[17:24] Speaker 2: the same thing and we had a number of experiences
[17:29] Speaker 2: that night with the vocalizations, and something was shadowing us
[17:34] Speaker 2: off in the distance.
[17:34] Speaker 1: As we hiked, we could hear it moving.
[17:37] Speaker 2: We actually think that there may have been more than
[17:39] Speaker 2: one that was kind of shadowing us. I think that
[17:43] Speaker 2: you go into their home there woods at a time
[17:45] Speaker 2: that they're not accustomed to. I believe they do keep
[17:48] Speaker 2: an eye on us. But it was it was that
[17:53] Speaker 2: following November when we had the most incredible experience. And
[18:00] Speaker 2: I don't list this per se is saying that I
[18:02] Speaker 2: saw a bigfoot for sure, but I believe very much
[18:08] Speaker 2: that we saw one. One of my team members saved
[18:12] Speaker 2: his money up and bought a very high end scope
[18:15] Speaker 2: and it wasn't mounted on a rifle, but very good
[18:19] Speaker 2: thermal scope. And we reached a point in the hike
[18:23] Speaker 2: when we sat down to observe and we begin to
[18:26] Speaker 2: be overwhelmed by the smell. And I knew by then
[18:31] Speaker 2: the smell being that strong, that odor which will send
[18:34] Speaker 2: your nostrils, I knew it was close, and so my
[18:38] Speaker 2: team member got my attention and whispered, and I went
[18:42] Speaker 2: to him, and he held the scope out. He said,
[18:44] Speaker 2: don't move the scope, just look through it. And I looked,
[18:48] Speaker 2: and I saw the thermal signature of a large tree.
[18:51] Speaker 2: It turned out to be a big pine tree. Behind
[18:54] Speaker 2: the tree, there was two thermal signatures, which I attributed
[18:59] Speaker 2: to being shoulders, and I was trying to make sense
[19:03] Speaker 2: of what I was seeing. And as I was studying
[19:06] Speaker 2: it through that scope, I saw a face peek out.
[19:08] Speaker 1: From behind the tree.
[19:09] Speaker 2: Clear thermal signature of the face and the thermal signature
[19:13] Speaker 2: told me there wasn't hair on that area, whereas the
[19:17] Speaker 2: thermal signature of the shoulders. It was obvious that there
[19:22] Speaker 2: was a source of heat, but that it was being
[19:24] Speaker 2: muffled somewhat. And I believe that it was been The
[19:28] Speaker 2: thermal signature was being muffled by hair, and it looked
[19:32] Speaker 2: at me. And I turned to my teammate and I said,
[19:36] Speaker 2: something just looked at me from behind that tree.
[19:38] Speaker 1: He said, yes, I saw it several times.
[19:41] Speaker 2: It went on long enough that several members of the
[19:44] Speaker 2: team got their turn looking through the scope, and finally
[19:47] Speaker 2: my team member that had the scope got the scope
[19:49] Speaker 2: back and he was kind of giving us a play
[19:51] Speaker 2: by play, and he said, it's moving backwards. He said,
[19:55] Speaker 2: it's literally walking backwards, and it did so in such
[19:59] Speaker 2: a way that it removed itself in our eyeline.
[20:06] Speaker 1: It was moving backwards.
[20:08] Speaker 2: And it got out from behind the tree, so we
[20:13] Speaker 2: was able to get more of a look at it
[20:15] Speaker 2: as it disappeared into the dense foliage. It was an
[20:18] Speaker 2: area that had been clear cut about six years earlier,
[20:21] Speaker 2: so it's very thick with undergrowth and small saplings. You
[20:25] Speaker 2: could hear it as it moved, and it got more
[20:29] Speaker 2: distant and more distant. The smell finally dissipated. We were
[20:34] Speaker 2: very excited about that, obviously, so we observed you got
[20:38] Speaker 2: to have patience.
[20:40] Speaker 1: You have got to have a lot of patience.
[20:44] Speaker 2: Even though we were was sure it moved out of
[20:46] Speaker 2: the area, we stayed put for another half an hour
[20:51] Speaker 2: and then we backtracked and started heading back to camp.
[20:55] Speaker 2: And as we got about halfway back to camp, we
[20:59] Speaker 2: were clearly being shadowed off to our left, which had
[21:03] Speaker 2: been to our south again by at least one We
[21:07] Speaker 2: could hear the footsteps. We smelled the smell faintly, but
[21:11] Speaker 2: at the time, as I recall, the wind was working
[21:13] Speaker 2: against us and.
[21:17] Speaker 1: It followed us all the way until.
[21:19] Speaker 2: We were getting ready to descend to our camp that
[21:22] Speaker 2: was set up in the very same creek bottom. We
[21:24] Speaker 2: camp at the same place, We take the same night hike,
[21:27] Speaker 2: because if something's working, you keep going with it. About
[21:32] Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning, my friend, the one that
[21:36] Speaker 2: had the thermal scoat, and he had his wife with
[21:40] Speaker 2: him and his eighteen year old son. His wife woke
[21:44] Speaker 2: the rest of us up, and we were surrounded on
[21:46] Speaker 2: three sides the clear sound of several things in different,
[21:51] Speaker 2: three different directions, walking flat footed in the heavy undergrowth.
[21:57] Speaker 1: Just beyond us. There was a laurel thicket.
[22:00] Speaker 2: On one side of us, and you could tell, we
[22:02] Speaker 2: could tell that it was just beyond that laurel ticket,
[22:05] Speaker 2: and it sounded like they were merely circling us.
[22:09] Speaker 1: We caught the smell.
[22:10] Speaker 2: They were close enough to catch the smell once again,
[22:15] Speaker 2: and then that went on thirty minutes.
[22:18] Speaker 1: Thirty minutes of that. Now he got his scope out.
[22:23] Speaker 2: It is very difficult, even with a thermal scope, even
[22:27] Speaker 2: in the winter, if something's far enough away, you're only
[22:29] Speaker 2: going to catch just patches of the thermal image. When
[22:35] Speaker 2: you've got undergrowth and trees and things between you. And
[22:39] Speaker 2: what you're looking at. But we saw the clear thermal images,
[22:42] Speaker 2: had the smell, we could hear the sound. Finally, at
[22:45] Speaker 2: about three thirty in the morning, it stopped and that
[22:47] Speaker 2: was it. We wound up going to sleep, woke up
[22:51] Speaker 2: about eight eight that morning, and that was that was
[22:55] Speaker 2: our most successful And we think that they came in
[22:59] Speaker 2: on us because that was the first time that we
[23:02] Speaker 2: had a female with us. And my teammate actually came
[23:07] Speaker 2: up with that idea. He said, I'm going to bring
[23:09] Speaker 2: my wife because I think that it may possibly be
[23:13] Speaker 2: a catalyst for picking their curiosity.
[23:18] Speaker 1: And he was right.
[23:19] Speaker 2: I believe that that's what happened, and that brings to
[23:24] Speaker 2: mind something that a family of witnesses experienced. Ironically enough,
[23:31] Speaker 2: they were camping in the exact same spot in late
[23:35] Speaker 2: July of twenty twenty four.
[23:40] Speaker 1: And they.
[23:42] Speaker 2: Brought the kids, three kids, two of them young and
[23:46] Speaker 2: then one of them older. But that during the day
[23:49] Speaker 2: they had set up camp all of the noises from
[23:51] Speaker 2: you know, the kids make, and then settled down that night,
[23:57] Speaker 2: heard no vocalizations, heard nothing, and they were they were
[24:00] Speaker 2: fully informed as to what went on in this particular area.
[24:07] Speaker 2: The husband had already drifted off to sleep, and the
[24:12] Speaker 2: kids brought something to the attention of the mother and said,
[24:15] Speaker 2: something is moving in the woods. But suddenly the mother
[24:22] Speaker 2: and the three kids heard this language. The mother very
[24:30] Speaker 2: articulate witness, very very smart person, very well read, and
[24:36] Speaker 2: she said it was not gibberish, but it was not
[24:39] Speaker 2: a known human language, sort of.
[24:42] Speaker 1: A gravelly voice.
[24:44] Speaker 2: And there was two of the voices communicating between the
[24:48] Speaker 2: very short distance. Estimated that they were probably ten or
[24:52] Speaker 2: fifteen yards apart based on the sound localization. They had
[24:58] Speaker 2: this some kind of conversation. One sounded angry and one
[25:04] Speaker 2: sounded not angry, and the vocalization stopped as soon as
[25:09] Speaker 2: they started this weird language. But they heard footfalls in
[25:16] Speaker 2: the forest around them from three different directions, so they
[25:21] Speaker 2: were virtually surrounded.
[25:23] Speaker 1: Of course, father was awakened by.
[25:25] Speaker 2: The nd and he gathered the family together into one
[25:29] Speaker 2: type group, and they discussed what to do, and they
[25:32] Speaker 2: finally decided, even though it was dark, they were going
[25:34] Speaker 2: to pack up and leave.
[25:37] Speaker 1: And that was in the exact same spot.
[25:38] Speaker 2: And I always tell that experience right beside of the
[25:43] Speaker 2: experience that me and my team had, because it was
[25:45] Speaker 2: the same spot, same scenario, except we didn't get to
[25:48] Speaker 2: hear this strange language. I played the Samurai tapes also
[25:53] Speaker 2: known as the Sierra Sounds, for the family and they said,
[25:57] Speaker 2: you know, that sounds very familiar to what we heard.
[26:02] Speaker 2: Interestingly enough to the mother is not fully convinced that
[26:06] Speaker 2: it was a type of sasquatch creature. She thinks it
[26:09] Speaker 2: might have been feral people. And I can't say no,
[26:12] Speaker 2: that's wrong, because that's a very good possibility. And I
[26:15] Speaker 2: will talk a little bit more about feral people and
[26:18] Speaker 2: a very special witness.
[26:19] Speaker 1: That I had the opportunity to interview.
[26:23] Speaker 2: But to get back on track, since that night that
[26:27] Speaker 2: we saw, we call that the Peekaboo night because of
[26:31] Speaker 2: the creature looking at us from behind the tree. And
[26:36] Speaker 2: we've had several successful camp outs since then. This last
[26:42] Speaker 2: one that we did, we had very similar experience, same route.
[26:47] Speaker 2: We hiked the exact same route every time. If I
[26:50] Speaker 2: didn't already mention that this time on our way back,
[26:56] Speaker 2: we were being shadowed, but it was very very close
[27:00] Speaker 2: to us, close enough to again pick up a very
[27:03] Speaker 2: good thermal signature. We couldn't see it with our naked eye,
[27:06] Speaker 2: and I'm very reticent about saying, well, I saw a bigfoot.
[27:10] Speaker 2: I can report to everyone that we saw a thermal
[27:14] Speaker 2: image of something that looked very very stout, very massive,
[27:18] Speaker 2: and that when we stopped walking, it would stop walking.
[27:23] Speaker 2: Each and every person in the eight person team had
[27:27] Speaker 2: the opportunity to look through the thermal and see this
[27:32] Speaker 2: creature just standing there. We would start moving and it
[27:35] Speaker 2: would start moving, and as was the case before, at
[27:39] Speaker 2: the further we moved west. Once we got to the
[27:41] Speaker 2: point to start descending down in altitude, it peeled off.
[27:46] Speaker 2: It stopped shadowing us, and we got back to camp.
[27:53] Speaker 2: And oddly enough, three o'clock seems to be some kind
[27:58] Speaker 2: of equipting time for them, three or three thirty in
[28:01] Speaker 2: the morning. The best that I can reckon, we heard
[28:04] Speaker 2: some vocalizations about three am, and that was it.
[28:09] Speaker 1: They weren't close enough.
[28:12] Speaker 2: On that occasion to be able to hear them walking
[28:14] Speaker 2: in the leaflet, or just be honest, they were far
[28:16] Speaker 2: enough away they were distantly vocalizing about whatever it was
[28:21] Speaker 2: they were. I think they communicated at distance. I think
[28:24] Speaker 2: they have a very clear set of signals that they
[28:28] Speaker 2: send back and forth. And I'm going to be repeating
[28:32] Speaker 2: myself here, but when you're in their territory at a
[28:37] Speaker 2: time that's not ordinary for them. I fully believe that
[28:41] Speaker 2: they keep a close eye on you. They keep a
[28:43] Speaker 2: check on your location, what you're up to. I think
[28:47] Speaker 2: the times that I ventured down down the hill from
[28:52] Speaker 2: my pasture and I had the red eyes and the
[28:55] Speaker 2: whistling and I've been yelled at, I believe that I
[28:58] Speaker 2: showed up at a time they weren't me, and I
[29:00] Speaker 2: believe that they were hunting. They were hunting deer, and
[29:04] Speaker 2: I believe that's why we often will see the deer
[29:07] Speaker 2: in our pasture up next to our barn, because they're
[29:11] Speaker 2: seeking safety, which transitions good to the next thing that
[29:16] Speaker 2: I'll share with you, and that is the deer kills
[29:18] Speaker 2: that we've found in a very concentrated area. When you're talking,
[29:25] Speaker 2: all of these deer kills I described are easily within
[29:28] Speaker 2: about a five acre area, maybe a little less. But
[29:34] Speaker 2: once we started venturing into certain parts, we started finding
[29:38] Speaker 2: deer kills in various stages of composition, would finament the
[29:43] Speaker 2: bleached white bones all the way up to fresh carcasses.
[29:47] Speaker 2: And there was a commonality with a lot of the
[29:50] Speaker 2: kills that we found. It was broken ribs, cracked ribs,
[29:55] Speaker 2: ribs that were violently obviously violently broken, legs that were
[30:01] Speaker 2: ripped off.
[30:02] Speaker 1: We found one deer carcass.
[30:03] Speaker 2: It was a fairly fresh one and the the front
[30:05] Speaker 2: legs of the deer were ripped off together. And I
[30:11] Speaker 2: think that that's how they'll mobilize a deer, because a
[30:14] Speaker 2: deer will put up a fight. We found a deer
[30:19] Speaker 2: kill a couple of months ago had one of its
[30:22] Speaker 2: legs snapped. I can't remember it was a front or
[30:24] Speaker 2: back leg, but it was snapped cleanly, just like you
[30:30] Speaker 2: would take a pencil or a chopstick and just snap.
[30:32] Speaker 2: It snapped very cleanly. No signs of bullet wounds or
[30:38] Speaker 2: anything like that. Just a very traumatic injury to all
[30:41] Speaker 2: of these deer. And also over time, I found the
[30:45] Speaker 2: carcasses of dogs in this same area.
[30:49] Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, a couple.
[30:50] Speaker 2: Of my NCI North Carolina Investigates teammates came on a
[30:55] Speaker 2: day hike and I wanted to show them some of
[30:57] Speaker 2: these deer kills. They're far more experienced in these investigations.
[31:03] Speaker 2: And it's obvious that these deer kills are found in
[31:06] Speaker 2: two areas. Both areas provide a funnel effect.
[31:11] Speaker 1: Just like.
[31:13] Speaker 2: Native Americans would hunt deer, you would have people who
[31:16] Speaker 2: would sit and wait, and then you would have chasers
[31:20] Speaker 2: who would chase the deer or whatever animal into this
[31:23] Speaker 2: funnel area, and then the would basically mount an ambush.
[31:31] Speaker 2: And both of those areas had these things in common.
[31:34] Speaker 2: And my teammate George Lunsford, my teammate Tim Dials, pointed
[31:38] Speaker 2: that out to me and said, this is clear what
[31:40] Speaker 2: you've got here. You've got these hides set up. And
[31:42] Speaker 2: once they pointed it out to me, you could see
[31:44] Speaker 2: where brush had been kind of piled up here and there, said,
[31:49] Speaker 2: those are hides. The watchers will stand behind these hides
[31:54] Speaker 2: as camouflage, and the chasers will will run them in
[31:58] Speaker 2: that direction, and then they'll hounds, and then made it
[32:03] Speaker 2: all made perfect sense to me. And I think that
[32:07] Speaker 2: the dogs that I found three three different dogs over
[32:11] Speaker 2: the past couple of years. I think the dogs were
[32:13] Speaker 2: in the wrong place at the wrong time. And there
[32:17] Speaker 2: is a clear problem in the area where I live
[32:21] Speaker 2: of dogs disappearing, dogs being found to have been violently killed.
[32:26] Speaker 1: And I've had.
[32:27] Speaker 2: Two personal experiences. Thankfully they weren't my dogs, but still
[32:31] Speaker 2: yet I loved them. I love animals. The redbone hounds
[32:35] Speaker 2: that I mentioned earlier from the encounter in December of
[32:39] Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, he showed up in my barn and he
[32:44] Speaker 2: was horribly injured. He had the hide scraped off of
[32:49] Speaker 2: the rear part of his body, and that you could
[32:51] Speaker 2: see tree bark embedded in his skin, so it was
[32:55] Speaker 2: obvious that he got slammed against the tree. He had
[32:58] Speaker 2: puncture wounds on him, and they were far enough apart.
[33:02] Speaker 2: I honestly conclude that it was where he was grabbed
[33:06] Speaker 2: by hands so forcefully that it left these puncture marks,
[33:13] Speaker 2: had a hole under one of its armpits.
[33:17] Speaker 1: But I thought he was going to be okay.
[33:19] Speaker 2: I called my neighbor, I took him into my house,
[33:22] Speaker 2: made a pallette on the floor, and he died. And
[33:25] Speaker 2: come to find out it was internal, massive internal injuries.
[33:29] Speaker 2: Last year, last summer, one of my neighbors had a
[33:32] Speaker 2: very large dog, one hundred pound dog who was kept
[33:37] Speaker 2: in place with one of these invisible fences. And the
[33:42] Speaker 2: dog went missing. It was very unusual. It was an
[33:45] Speaker 2: older dog, not prone to stray. Enclosed with this invisible fence.
[33:50] Speaker 2: It had worked very well, but he was gone. So
[33:55] Speaker 2: a couple of neighbors.
[33:56] Speaker 1: Went on a.
[33:58] Speaker 2: Hunt for him to see if they could locate him,
[34:00] Speaker 2: and they found the dog still alive at the base
[34:04] Speaker 2: of the same hill that I live on, but it
[34:06] Speaker 2: was in the creek with its back broken. And they
[34:12] Speaker 2: went and got an ATV and hauled the dog out,
[34:15] Speaker 2: took the dog to the vet, and the vet verified
[34:17] Speaker 2: said his back is it broken. There's nothing we can do.
[34:20] Speaker 2: Did you find him in the road, was hit by
[34:22] Speaker 2: a car? I don't see any The vets that I
[34:24] Speaker 2: don't see any signs of trauma, And I said, no,
[34:28] Speaker 2: he was in the woods, deep in the woods and
[34:32] Speaker 2: was just laying in the creek. So I think that
[34:36] Speaker 2: dog was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[34:39] Speaker 2: And the creatures, clearly, with few exceptions, clearly don't like
[34:44] Speaker 2: large dogs. And on our Facebook page for the area,
[34:51] Speaker 2: you'll see people posting my dogs missing. And we all
[34:54] Speaker 2: know it's not something that has talked about in our community.
[34:58] Speaker 2: And because I talk about it, there's a handful of folks.
[35:01] Speaker 2: They don't dislike me, but they don't appreciate that I
[35:04] Speaker 2: talk openly about these things. But that is always that
[35:09] Speaker 2: is that has been a problem that has gone way back,
[35:11] Speaker 2: and I have interviewed a lot of witnesses for the
[35:14] Speaker 2: past four or five years, and there's a clear problem
[35:17] Speaker 2: between the creatures and the dogs. A couple of nights ago,
[35:22] Speaker 2: this is fresh.
[35:24] Speaker 1: I recorded some it was.
[35:27] Speaker 2: It was one of the most intense things that I've
[35:30] Speaker 2: ever heard in my whole life. But I could hear
[35:33] Speaker 2: a pack of hound dogs, probably raccoon hunting dogs, and
[35:37] Speaker 2: a creature got into a shouting like a shouting match.
[35:41] Speaker 1: The dogs reappen and constantly barking.
[35:43] Speaker 2: If you've heard a raccoon dog bark, you know they bay,
[35:47] Speaker 2: and it was it was very intense. Then you would
[35:50] Speaker 2: hear this deep, very deep based answer to the dogs.
[35:57] Speaker 2: I assume it was yelling back of the dogs trying
[35:59] Speaker 2: to establish its dominance. And that went on for twenty minutes.
[36:04] Speaker 2: I got twenty minutes of recording of that. I'll tell
[36:09] Speaker 2: the story of how I came to be a collector
[36:12] Speaker 2: of these encounters. I worked at a small country store
[36:17] Speaker 2: for a couple of years in my hometown. The owner
[36:22] Speaker 2: of the store knew that I studied this, that I
[36:26] Speaker 2: researched it. I was close enough with this person that
[36:31] Speaker 2: she was aware of the encounters that I had, but Fox,
[36:35] Speaker 2: the Fox Network, Fox Nation to be specific, contacted her
[36:40] Speaker 2: and said, we're wanting to come there to the South
[36:42] Speaker 2: Mountains area to shoot a documentary. Could we use your
[36:46] Speaker 2: store as headquarters so we don't have a town hall.
[36:48] Speaker 2: My town is so small we don't have a town
[36:50] Speaker 2: hall and the store is the gathering place. The store
[36:54] Speaker 2: in the volunteer fire department, and she said, yes, you
[36:57] Speaker 2: certainly can. They said, do you know anybody that we
[37:00] Speaker 2: might be able to interview? And she asked me, and
[37:05] Speaker 2: I thought about it, because at the time I was
[37:09] Speaker 2: not talking about it in the open at a I
[37:11] Speaker 2: mean to very select few people, and so I thought
[37:17] Speaker 2: about it. I got the number for the producer out
[37:19] Speaker 2: there in LA and talked to him. I said, I
[37:21] Speaker 2: will do it if you silhouette me and disguise my voice.
[37:25] Speaker 2: Then he said, no problem, and the time came. They
[37:28] Speaker 2: shot the documentary in June of twenty twenty. It was
[37:32] Speaker 2: called Monsters Across America Season two. The episode number I
[37:37] Speaker 2: can't remember, but it was.
[37:41] Speaker 1: Charlotte's Web of Mysteries.
[37:43] Speaker 2: So they were talking about the greater area in and
[37:46] Speaker 2: around Charlotte, North Carolina, which is about an hour and.
[37:48] Speaker 1: A half east of me. I shot the episode.
[37:51] Speaker 2: It aired in January of twenty twenty. They did indeed
[37:55] Speaker 2: silhouette me, but they did not disguise my voice, and
[38:00] Speaker 2: so everybody in three counties knew that it was the
[38:03] Speaker 2: guy that worked the preacher that works down at the
[38:06] Speaker 2: Mountain View grocery that was on this documentary. I only
[38:11] Speaker 2: had one person, I mean, I was outed.
[38:14] Speaker 1: That was it.
[38:14] Speaker 2: I was outed, and I only had one person give
[38:18] Speaker 2: me just a smidge of a hard time. Everybody else
[38:22] Speaker 2: is very supportive. Still to this day, there's a lot
[38:27] Speaker 2: of folks that are tight lipped about it and they
[38:29] Speaker 2: won't talk about it at all. But it started off
[38:33] Speaker 2: very slow at first. I would have somebody to show
[38:36] Speaker 2: up at the store or see me out and about
[38:39] Speaker 2: say hey that I've been wanting to tell you about
[38:41] Speaker 2: something that happened. At first, there was a couple that
[38:46] Speaker 2: came in that the first ones, and they waited till
[38:49] Speaker 2: the store was empty. They told me their encounter, and
[38:52] Speaker 2: then somebody else, and then somebody else, and then somebody else,
[38:55] Speaker 2: and people were bringing pictures and things they had recorded
[38:59] Speaker 2: on their cell phones, and it went from there. So
[39:06] Speaker 2: I promise everybody that I talked to, unless they just
[39:10] Speaker 2: want me just to say their name and they're want
[39:14] Speaker 2: to be open about it, I promise them anonymity, and
[39:17] Speaker 2: I will also protect their exact location. And I think
[39:20] Speaker 2: over time that I gained the trust of much of
[39:25] Speaker 2: the community because I've never outed a witness. And it
[39:31] Speaker 2: kept going, and it kept going, and it kept going,
[39:34] Speaker 2: and I finally said, I'm going to write a book,
[39:37] Speaker 2: but I got impatient. I've never written a book before,
[39:41] Speaker 2: but I got impatient, and I started giving some thought
[39:45] Speaker 2: on the whole idea of putting something out on social
[39:48] Speaker 2: media to tell these stories, these encounters that people have had.
[39:52] Speaker 2: And I've asked every single one of them, why do
[39:55] Speaker 2: you want to talk to me about this? And they
[39:58] Speaker 2: felt the same way that I did the first time
[40:00] Speaker 2: that I saw something with my eyes that August twenty
[40:03] Speaker 2: seventeen night. You want to tell somebody that's gonna believe
[40:09] Speaker 2: you and not make fun of it. And you want
[40:11] Speaker 2: to tell your story to someone because when you see
[40:14] Speaker 2: these things that are out of the ordinary, even with you,
[40:17] Speaker 2: if you're with somebody, you question yourself, did I see
[40:20] Speaker 2: what I saw?
[40:21] Speaker 1: What was it?
[40:22] Speaker 2: I wonder if anybody else is experiencing this, and I'll ask,
[40:26] Speaker 2: regardless of the subject, whether people will be or telling
[40:29] Speaker 2: me ghost stories or feral people stories or bigfoot stories.
[40:33] Speaker 2: I always ask them that question, why do you want
[40:35] Speaker 2: to talk to me? And they just want to talk
[40:37] Speaker 2: about it. They want to talk about it too, someone
[40:40] Speaker 2: that'll listen and even maybe get some guidance from some advice,
[40:46] Speaker 2: some information.
[40:48] Speaker 1: That's worked out very well.
[40:50] Speaker 2: That is my love to hear the encounters in the
[40:53] Speaker 2: experiences of other people. In the history of the South
[40:57] Speaker 2: Mountains a tremendous amount of not just bigfoot activity, but
[41:05] Speaker 2: a lot of paranormal things. The Appalachians are a place
[41:08] Speaker 2: that you almost wonder if it's some kind of antenna
[41:11] Speaker 2: for the paranormal is the ancientness of the Appalachian Mountains
[41:17] Speaker 2: because they are some of the oldest mountains on Earth,
[41:21] Speaker 2: and there's there's something about the foothills and mountains of
[41:25] Speaker 2: Appalachia it's it's it's almost a mystic quality that it
[41:29] Speaker 2: draws you and you can feel it. Sometimes that's good,
[41:33] Speaker 2: sometimes it's bad. The Appalachian Mountains can be a really
[41:37] Speaker 2: pretty place until the sun goes down sometimes, and so
[41:45] Speaker 2: I'm at the point where I'm at now having collected
[41:49] Speaker 2: these stories, and I've I count myself very, very blessed
[41:54] Speaker 2: to have gotten to hear these very stories. And I
[41:58] Speaker 2: wanted to talk them innute about a an encounter that
[42:01] Speaker 2: stands out almost above all the rest. But it was
[42:08] Speaker 2: an encounter that two squirrel hunters had. The man who
[42:12] Speaker 2: who was relating the experience to me he wanted to
[42:15] Speaker 2: appear on camera, and I got his story first. I said,
[42:19] Speaker 2: we'll do an episode and then we'll do a special
[42:22] Speaker 2: episode and you can be on camera. And Ralph wound
[42:25] Speaker 2: up passing away, but him and his uncle in nineteen
[42:29] Speaker 2: seventy two went on went squirrel hunting into the interior
[42:32] Speaker 2: of the South Mountains. As they had to cross a
[42:36] Speaker 2: couple of small mountains to get to this sweet honey
[42:39] Speaker 2: hole of a squirrel spot. They were on high ground
[42:43] Speaker 2: and my friend spotted a creature that appeared to be
[42:48] Speaker 2: taking a night soaking up some sun. They were out
[42:52] Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, and I had no trouble
[42:54] Speaker 2: believing him whatsoever. And then suddenly the creature got up down.
[43:00] Speaker 2: It got up. It didn't turn and looked directly at them,
[43:03] Speaker 2: but it turned its head kind of back as though
[43:06] Speaker 2: it was giving them the side eye, and then disappeared
[43:10] Speaker 2: into the woods and they elected to continue on toward
[43:14] Speaker 2: their hunting spot.
[43:17] Speaker 1: But it wasn't long before they realized they.
[43:19] Speaker 2: Were being followed, and they got downhill into a creek
[43:23] Speaker 2: bottom and they could they were in They was in
[43:25] Speaker 2: a spot where they were able to see uphill the.
[43:28] Speaker 1: Creature it was.
[43:30] Speaker 2: It could have been the same creature they saw, It
[43:32] Speaker 2: could have been a different one, but the creature put
[43:36] Speaker 2: on while it was standing on high ground looking down
[43:38] Speaker 2: at him, put on quite the threat display, moving side
[43:42] Speaker 2: the side and making these these noises. They got to
[43:47] Speaker 2: their hunting spot and that thing was hot on their trail,
[43:51] Speaker 2: and it was clearly angry. It was at minimum very
[43:56] Speaker 2: unhappy that they were in that area. And they couldn't
[44:00] Speaker 2: around and backtrack because the creature had come in behind them.
[44:03] Speaker 2: They couldn't backtrack and get back to their truck. They
[44:05] Speaker 2: had parked at the foot of the mountains, so they
[44:07] Speaker 2: had to keep going, and they were squirrel hunting, so
[44:11] Speaker 2: all they had was small bird shot for the shotguns.
[44:17] Speaker 2: They wound up fleeing into the night. They came to
[44:21] Speaker 2: a creek they knew where the creek came out, it
[44:23] Speaker 2: came out onto a road and they that's how they
[44:25] Speaker 2: got away. And my friend Ralph said that he never
[44:31] Speaker 2: went back into that area, but he never went back
[44:33] Speaker 2: in the woods anywhere without carrying some kind of large
[44:37] Speaker 2: at least a large side arm, like a three fifty
[44:39] Speaker 2: seven or forty five or something. And it was a
[44:43] Speaker 2: long time before he would even go back to the woods.
[44:45] Speaker 2: And the same thing with his uncle, who oddly enough
[44:48] Speaker 2: wound up passing away just a few months after that
[44:51] Speaker 2: incident occurred. It's not the only eyewitness account of people
[44:56] Speaker 2: being chased out of an area. It's a very very
[45:01] Speaker 2: fascinating set of events. Where the gentleman who related all
[45:05] Speaker 2: this to me, he's still alive, he's in his eighties,
[45:08] Speaker 2: but he had an experience in nineteen fifty one, fifty two,
[45:12] Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly. His dad sent him down to
[45:15] Speaker 2: the barn at night. He said, I left the valve,
[45:19] Speaker 2: the gas valve on the tractor on. I need you
[45:21] Speaker 2: to go turn it off because it would flood the corporator.
[45:26] Speaker 2: So he went down to the barn, which you know,
[45:29] Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty yards away down a little narrow
[45:31] Speaker 2: dirt road, and he began to hear these vocalizations. He
[45:35] Speaker 2: began to detect this vowl odor. He went and did
[45:38] Speaker 2: the deed, got the valve shut off on the tractor,
[45:40] Speaker 2: and started going back to the house. And as he
[45:43] Speaker 2: got about halfway back, a creature was standing right there
[45:48] Speaker 2: by the road, by the dirt road, and it just
[45:51] Speaker 2: looked at him, and the smell was overwhelming, and it
[45:57] Speaker 2: looked it seemed to size him up, according to my witness,
[46:01] Speaker 2: and then stepped over the four foot field wire into
[46:06] Speaker 2: the pasture and just disappeared off into the distance. His
[46:12] Speaker 2: father had experiences that night was spurring his father to
[46:17] Speaker 2: tell him the experiences that he had had. When my
[46:21] Speaker 2: witness went back to the house, he's obviously very shaken,
[46:24] Speaker 2: a very common thing for witnesses, and emotion, raw emotion.
[46:31] Speaker 2: I've had witnesses began to cry as they recounted their experiences.
[46:35] Speaker 2: But he was in that state of shock, and his
[46:37] Speaker 2: dad said, what's wrong, and he told them, he said, well,
[46:39] Speaker 2: we need to talk tomorrow. And he found out his
[46:44] Speaker 2: father had had experiences and his grandfather and his grandfather
[46:49] Speaker 2: and his father and him sat down and his grandfather
[46:52] Speaker 2: told of something that happened to him when he was
[46:55] Speaker 2: a young man that he had only told a couple
[46:57] Speaker 2: of people in his whole life this scenario of going
[47:02] Speaker 2: deep into the woods to hunt. That's what he and
[47:06] Speaker 2: his brother did. This was nineteen sixteen. My witness said
[47:10] Speaker 2: his grandfather remembered it so well because it was the
[47:12] Speaker 2: year before the US got involved in World War One.
[47:16] Speaker 2: But the grandfather and his brother went deep into the
[47:19] Speaker 2: South Mountain's interior to hunt and trap, and they had
[47:23] Speaker 2: planned on stay in several days. They went set up
[47:28] Speaker 2: their traps and decided where to hunt. And they got
[47:33] Speaker 2: back to their camp and it wasn't it was very
[47:36] Speaker 2: close to being sundown, and they begin to hear these noises,
[47:42] Speaker 2: these vocalists. Things they didn't understand. They didn't know what
[47:45] Speaker 2: they were. They knew they wasn't bobcats or panthers or bear.
[47:52] Speaker 2: But a group of these creatures seemed to begin coming
[47:57] Speaker 2: close to their camp. And they didn't have flash like
[48:00] Speaker 2: they had torches. They didn't have time to light their torches.
[48:03] Speaker 2: They had very little daylight left. They just instinctively, I guess,
[48:09] Speaker 2: started going out the direction they had came into this spot,
[48:13] Speaker 2: and that went downhill to get along this creek that
[48:16] Speaker 2: run through that holler. The noise behind them, by the
[48:20] Speaker 2: end was deafite. They could hear all these ape like
[48:23] Speaker 2: grunts and yells and howls, and they were very concerned
[48:29] Speaker 2: about what was behind them. But then suddenly just enough
[48:35] Speaker 2: daylight left for them to be able to see.
[48:37] Speaker 1: And there wasn't very much daylight.
[48:39] Speaker 2: Left, but there was a gray colored, tall, seven foot
[48:45] Speaker 2: give or take creature that was just standing there looking
[48:47] Speaker 2: at them. All the ruckus and the hubbub that had
[48:52] Speaker 2: been occurring behind them, with these things that were in
[48:55] Speaker 2: pursuit of them stopped. The noises stopped, the vocalization stopped,
[49:00] Speaker 2: and that creature just looked at them and finally turned
[49:04] Speaker 2: and walked off, And when it got a small distance away,
[49:09] Speaker 2: everything resumed behind them. They were clearly being chased again.
[49:13] Speaker 2: He got dark.
[49:14] Speaker 1: The only thing they had to guide.
[49:15] Speaker 2: Themselves was the sound of that water and a little
[49:20] Speaker 2: bit of light maybe glimmering off the water, and they
[49:23] Speaker 2: had to run for their lives that night. They run
[49:27] Speaker 2: all through the night. They got back to an open
[49:29] Speaker 2: field near their home. They heard all these vocalizations, these
[49:34] Speaker 2: very scary noises, and I will tell you this if,
[49:37] Speaker 2: especially in any kind of a mountain's terrain, when you
[49:40] Speaker 2: hear these noises and they're close enough, they're extremely terrifying.
[49:45] Speaker 2: I don't care how seasoned of a big foot hunter
[49:48] Speaker 2: you are, or outdoorsmen or woodsman or hicker. They're very scary,
[49:54] Speaker 2: especially when they're echoing in these hollers and off these hills.
[49:59] Speaker 2: As they got into the middle of the field, they
[50:01] Speaker 2: they both just kind of collapsed for a minute, and
[50:03] Speaker 2: they could hear these noises still, but they were kind
[50:06] Speaker 2: of distant. They got their breath, and they made it
[50:09] Speaker 2: to the house and set on the porch, sat on
[50:11] Speaker 2: the steps of the porch, and they told the grandfather
[50:17] Speaker 2: told his father that night about the experience, and they
[50:23] Speaker 2: didn't go back to that area ever again. And they
[50:27] Speaker 2: weren't this is a commonalty, and this happened to me,
[50:32] Speaker 2: but they were just very reluctant to go in the
[50:35] Speaker 2: woods at all. I had about a six month time
[50:37] Speaker 2: period and it was after the night that I saw
[50:41] Speaker 2: the red eyes that did something to me for a while,
[50:43] Speaker 2: and I didn't even go into woods by myself at daytime.
[50:46] Speaker 1: In daytime, I had this feeling.
[50:51] Speaker 2: I don't mind admitting it I have a friend who's
[50:54] Speaker 2: a counselor, and I called him and I told him
[50:59] Speaker 2: pretty much much everything, and I said, I can't go
[51:02] Speaker 2: back in these woods by myself. And he talked me
[51:08] Speaker 2: through it. And as a Christian, I'm also a preacher
[51:11] Speaker 2: of Pentecostal evangelist, just finally started praying and thinking my
[51:17] Speaker 2: way through it. All of these stories I've collected, no
[51:21] Speaker 2: human being in my area has ever been hurt that
[51:24] Speaker 2: I know of. The closest thing that happens that is
[51:29] Speaker 2: even close to violence is the rock throwing. There's been
[51:32] Speaker 2: four rock throwing incidents in my area. I told you
[51:35] Speaker 2: about one earlier when we were on the night hike.
[51:38] Speaker 2: My friend almost got his head took off. It wasn't
[51:41] Speaker 2: funny then, but it's funny now. And then two hunters
[51:44] Speaker 2: that was hunting on that same high ridge. One of
[51:49] Speaker 2: them was in the tree stand he heard these ap
[51:51] Speaker 2: like noises. This was in twenty eighteen, dear season of
[51:54] Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, and he heard the walking. He didn't smell
[52:00] Speaker 2: the smell, but I don't maybe that can be attributed
[52:04] Speaker 2: to the fact that he was so high up in
[52:05] Speaker 2: the tree. Some say, and I don't have a stance
[52:09] Speaker 2: on this one way or the other. But some say
[52:10] Speaker 2: that these creatures can turn that musk off at wheel,
[52:15] Speaker 2: turn it on and off at wheel, which makes sense.
[52:17] Speaker 2: You have other animals that will do that, that will
[52:19] Speaker 2: start at will putting out a scent. But the movement stopped,
[52:25] Speaker 2: the ape black noises stopped. And suddenly heard this large
[52:29] Speaker 2: thud on the tree that his tree stand was in,
[52:34] Speaker 2: and the ape black noises resumed. But then he heard
[52:38] Speaker 2: the footsteps and it was clear to him that it
[52:40] Speaker 2: was moving in the opposite direction. And this was in
[52:42] Speaker 2: the dead of darkness, at about five am in the morning.
[52:49] Speaker 1: And I said, well, what did you do next?
[52:50] Speaker 2: He said, I stayed in that tree stand until daybreak,
[52:55] Speaker 2: and he his father was in a tree stand about
[52:58] Speaker 2: one hundred yards away. And his father could hear and
[53:00] Speaker 2: hear the ape black noises, but nothing else, and he
[53:02] Speaker 2: didn't he didn't smell anything either. I took a deputy
[53:08] Speaker 2: retired deputy sheriff with me and we went to the location.
[53:12] Speaker 2: We saw the rock a little bit smaller than a
[53:14] Speaker 2: volley ball, that's a big rock. And my friend, the
[53:19] Speaker 2: hunter was in a sweet gum tree and there was
[53:22] Speaker 2: a huge chunk of the bark knocked off that thing,
[53:25] Speaker 2: and you could see the indention of the rock. And
[53:28] Speaker 2: we scoured the area and we found a place just
[53:31] Speaker 2: southwest of his tree stand. It's clearly a place where
[53:36] Speaker 2: something big was laying down. It stands out like a
[53:41] Speaker 2: sore thumb to see these bedding areas the leaf litters
[53:46] Speaker 2: mashed down, or we don't have very many pine trees,
[53:49] Speaker 2: but we've got some pine thickets. In this case, there
[53:51] Speaker 2: was a few pine trees there and the pine needles
[53:54] Speaker 2: were clearly depressed and something had been laying on it.
[54:00] Speaker 2: And I think that the two guys went in that
[54:02] Speaker 2: morning and again that's an unusual time, and this creature
[54:09] Speaker 2: was off, maybe more than one, but they were laying
[54:14] Speaker 2: there resting.
[54:15] Speaker 1: That's what I theorized, and that.
[54:19] Speaker 2: The humans got too close for comfort and it threw
[54:22] Speaker 2: a rock and it was a warning. Now, the third
[54:25] Speaker 2: rock throwing incident happened in the broad daylight. A friend
[54:29] Speaker 2: of mine and I were out in his brand new jeep.
[54:33] Speaker 2: We look under bridges. If you want to go look
[54:36] Speaker 2: for tracks, look under bridges bridges in the country. Obviously
[54:42] Speaker 2: in the city you're not going to want to do that,
[54:45] Speaker 2: but you get out in the wilderness areas like where
[54:48] Speaker 2: we live. I have had very good success finding tracks
[54:51] Speaker 2: under bridges because they'll maybe during a rainstorm or lightning
[54:57] Speaker 2: or just to get the shade from it, you will
[55:01] Speaker 2: find their footprints under bridges. I think otherwise they're very
[55:04] Speaker 2: careful about leaving footprints. But we found a track and
[55:11] Speaker 2: it was in the middle of a sandbar on the
[55:12] Speaker 2: Broad River. The interesting thing was is the track. There
[55:18] Speaker 2: was one single track and from water's edge to the
[55:21] Speaker 2: track it was four feet.
[55:24] Speaker 1: From the track to the other water's.
[55:26] Speaker 2: Edge was a little bit more than four feet, so
[55:28] Speaker 2: we're looking at a four foot stride easy. But the
[55:33] Speaker 2: thing was depressed in the ground about three inches at least.
[55:38] Speaker 2: And this is not a soft beach like sand. The
[55:44] Speaker 2: sand in our creeks and rivers mixed with a lot
[55:47] Speaker 2: of rocks, and it rocks and all depressed three inches
[55:52] Speaker 2: into the ground. So you're looking at in excess of
[55:56] Speaker 2: six hundred pounds easily.
[55:58] Speaker 1: We took pictures of it.
[56:00] Speaker 2: We got in his jeep and we began driving up
[56:03] Speaker 2: the dirt road and I said, none of these pictures
[56:07] Speaker 2: on my phone. Turned out the pictures weren't bad. They
[56:11] Speaker 2: weren't there. We turned around and went back took pictures
[56:15] Speaker 2: before we got back in the jeep. I made sure
[56:18] Speaker 2: the pictures was on my phone.
[56:20] Speaker 1: They were. I still have them this day.
[56:21] Speaker 2: It's one of my most prized pictures is this single
[56:23] Speaker 2: footprint in the middle of this sandbar. I think that
[56:28] Speaker 2: it was chasing maybe a deer, because there was some
[56:32] Speaker 2: deer tracks on that sandbar, a big old buck tracks.
[56:36] Speaker 2: We get a couple hundred We got a couple hundred
[56:39] Speaker 2: feet up that dirt road, and I thought we had
[56:41] Speaker 2: been shot at by a gun and that the vehicle
[56:44] Speaker 2: had been hit. I was in the military for thirteen years,
[56:47] Speaker 2: and I was convinced somebody shooting at us.
[56:51] Speaker 1: But my friend was driving.
[56:53] Speaker 2: The jeep and he caught the rock bouncing off the
[56:57] Speaker 2: top of his jeep out of his peripheral vision on
[57:00] Speaker 2: his left side.
[57:02] Speaker 1: We didn't stop. We kept going.
[57:04] Speaker 2: Got back to my house you ten fifteen minutes later,
[57:08] Speaker 2: and his brand new jeep, that hard top whatever it's
[57:10] Speaker 2: made of fiberglass, had a tremendously big gouge in it
[57:14] Speaker 2: from that rock evidently was very big, and it was
[57:19] Speaker 2: thrown from downhill from my side over to his side.
[57:24] Speaker 1: From my right to my left. That rock hit the
[57:27] Speaker 1: top of.
[57:27] Speaker 2: That jeep hard enough to damage it and then bounced
[57:30] Speaker 2: off the fourth rock, throwing incidant. I was present, it
[57:35] Speaker 2: was my wife that was almost hit. We were creek walking,
[57:40] Speaker 2: and to explain that, we just put on some water shoes.
[57:43] Speaker 2: She don't like to go in the woods and negotiate
[57:45] Speaker 2: all the foliage, but I can get her to creek
[57:49] Speaker 2: walk with me. And we ventured into an area where
[57:52] Speaker 2: we had not been before. We stopped, took a break
[57:58] Speaker 2: and figured out just down the creek aways that it
[58:02] Speaker 2: had been blocked with a log jam. When we have
[58:04] Speaker 2: a heavy rain, these creeks around here that are foot
[58:09] Speaker 2: deep go to eight ten foot deep because the water
[58:12] Speaker 2: builds a head of steam from up on high ground
[58:14] Speaker 2: in the mountains and just washes down. But anyway, there
[58:18] Speaker 2: was this log jam there and we would have to
[58:20] Speaker 2: get out and skirt around it on dry land. She
[58:24] Speaker 2: didn't want to do that, so we turned around and
[58:25] Speaker 2: went back, or started going back.
[58:27] Speaker 1: Rather we stopped for a break.
[58:32] Speaker 2: And I love to aggravate my wife, and one of
[58:36] Speaker 2: the things she hates for me to do is to
[58:39] Speaker 2: mimic any of the noises that we hear the whoops
[58:42] Speaker 2: or the wells, or the hows or the tree knocks.
[58:45] Speaker 2: Just to aggravate her, I picked up a dead piece
[58:50] Speaker 2: of tree and I whacked on a tree, and I
[58:55] Speaker 2: thought I was being funny. And to our right, within
[58:59] Speaker 2: easily hundred feet into the woods, there was a tremendously
[59:03] Speaker 2: loud something that hit a tree, and I could envision
[59:08] Speaker 2: it picking up some kind of partially rotten log or
[59:10] Speaker 2: something off the ground because you could hear it break
[59:13] Speaker 2: when it hit the tree. Immediately after that, to our left,
[59:17] Speaker 2: on the opposite side of the creek, there was a clear,
[59:20] Speaker 2: sharp wood knock, no mistaking any of this, on both
[59:24] Speaker 2: sides of the creek, one hundred feet or less, very close.
[59:29] Speaker 2: And this was in the summer. This was the first
[59:31] Speaker 2: Sunday of August twenty twenty four. The Appalachian forest that
[59:38] Speaker 2: time of year is very, very thick. You could hide
[59:41] Speaker 2: an elephant one hundred feet from you and you may
[59:43] Speaker 2: not see it. We didn't see them, but we heard
[59:49] Speaker 2: the tree knocks, and just directionally we were able to
[59:53] Speaker 2: extrapolate that, you know, they came from really close to us.
[59:57] Speaker 2: And I convinced her for us to just stop and
[59:59] Speaker 2: let and observe. When we did so and nothing happened,
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: we gave it about ten minutes, didn't smell a smell,
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: and we continued our journey, backtracking in the creek. And
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: just a few minutes later, I was just a foot
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: or so behind my wife a rock come in from
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: our left. It was a beautiful piece of quartz and
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: it was kind of rounded. It was a little bit
[1:00:28] Speaker 2: smaller than a soft ball. The rock came in from
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: our left and missed her head by a couple of
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: inches and splashed in the creek the side of us.
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: And to this day she has not been back in
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: the woods with me.
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: Now, I've heard the stories of plenty of other rock
[1:00:48] Speaker 2: throwing incidents from witnesses and people that didn't necessarily want
[1:00:53] Speaker 2: to tell me about a really substantial experience, but they
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: had a rock thrill atamiple rocks. Friends of mine camping
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: in the South Mountains got bombarded with rocks one night.
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: I believe that if they wanted to hit us with
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: those rocks, they could. That's their domain. They would be
[1:01:12] Speaker 2: used to be using rocks as weapons. If they wanted
[1:01:15] Speaker 2: to hit us, they would. But I think that the
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: rock throwing is just a warning to us to tell
[1:01:21] Speaker 2: us you're in our area and we don't like it.
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: The other time is really really flown by a lot
[1:01:30] Speaker 2: that I haven't gotten to talk about a lot of
[1:01:32] Speaker 2: the stories that I've collected from witnesses, and I do
[1:01:36] Speaker 2: have their full permission to share the stories, even if
[1:01:38] Speaker 2: they want.
[1:01:39] Speaker 1: To remain anonymous.
[1:01:40] Speaker 2: But I have a couple of very interesting experiences involving
[1:01:44] Speaker 2: feral people, which is a very scary concept. I would
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: rather deal with a bigfoot than a feral person or
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: a dog man. That happens to be one of my
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: other things that I don't know that I want to
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: ever experience. But I do have some things surrounding the
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: whole feral people phenomena that I hope on a part
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: two we'll be able to talk about the feral people
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: and and and also some other big foot encounters that
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: people have had that have that have talked to me,
[1:02:17] Speaker 2: and if we get into the the mood, a couple
[1:02:19] Speaker 2: of pretty good paranormal stories as well. But I'll definitely
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: be looking forward to coming back.
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: We're looking forward so much to have in you back, Jerry.
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: I don't know why I waited so long to ask
[1:02:30] Speaker 3: you on the show.
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: Well, I'm just glad you did.
[1:02:34] Speaker 2: And I'm at the point now where I want to
[1:02:38] Speaker 2: I want to teach people about this and talk to
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: them about it, let people hear what it's like to
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: live in an area where were we get to have
[1:02:48] Speaker 2: these experiences. Honestly, my biggest fear of it is that
[1:02:53] Speaker 2: the activity stops.
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that that's ever going to happen.
[1:02:58] Speaker 3: I mean, they're always going to be in the area.
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: I don't think they're ever going to stop doing what
[1:03:02] Speaker 3: they do to make a living out there.
[1:03:04] Speaker 2: So I really don't think a thousand i'm sorry, one
[1:03:08] Speaker 2: hundred thousand acres of mountain range and then the periphery
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: of the wilderness around the South Mountains is you know,
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: add in another seventy five hundred thousand acres of wilderness
[1:03:18] Speaker 2: and a lot of places to hide. I just hope
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: they stay in my immediate area, that I get to
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: continue having these experiences, because I don't think they're ever
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: going to hurt me.
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: Well, there's something about that area where you live that
[1:03:30] Speaker 3: they like a lot, So I don't think that's ever
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: going to happen. I think they're always going to be
[1:03:34] Speaker 3: around yeah, as you know, there might be times when
[1:03:37] Speaker 3: they head off to a different area for a time,
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: but I think they're always going to come back. But
[1:03:42] Speaker 3: having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: on for this part one, and of course goes without saying,
[1:03:48] Speaker 3: I'm so looking forward to having you back for a
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: part two. I think we'll probably from what you said
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: before we started recording, we should be able to record
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: this part too soon so that we could hear this
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: probably early next week. Then does that sound good to you?
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: It sounds great.
[1:04:06] Speaker 2: Just tell me when it works for you and I
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: should definitely be able to work around it to facilitate it,
[1:04:13] Speaker 2: and I can do it.
[1:04:14] Speaker 1: You just tell me when.
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: Well, that's music to my ears. You will definitely work
[1:04:19] Speaker 3: that out.
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: Then.
[1:04:20] Speaker 3: Like I said, we'll have you back on early next
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: week then, But you having said that, thanks against so
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: much for your time and have a great night.
[1:04:34] Speaker 4: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
[1:04:38] Speaker 4: Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would
[1:04:42] Speaker 4: like to be a guest on the show, please go
[1:04:44] Speaker 4: to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd
[1:04:48] Speaker 4: love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a
[1:04:52] Speaker 4: great night

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