# I Hit a Sasquatch With My Car! - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 528

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 7 Mar 2026, 59 min.

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Tonight’s guest, Lance, is a Sasquatch investigator who lives near the border of Vermont and Upstate New York. About 20 years ago, Lance had his first encounter with a Sasquatch. That was the day his girlfriend hit a Sasquatch with her car. When Lance went to the place where she had hit it, he had his encounter. Lance’s encounter happened in Washington County, New York, near Whitehall. On tonight’s show, Lance is going to talk us through what happened that day, as well as what happened when he had his more recent encounters. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to him do that. If you've had at least one Sasquatch sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. I'd love to hear from you. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

[0:01] Speaker 1: If you've had a big foot siding it would like
[0:02] Speaker 1: to be a guest, Please go to bigfoot witness dot
[0:05] Speaker 1: com and let me know.
[0:08] Speaker 2: My name is Lance. People call me Lance a lot.
[0:12] Speaker 2: I'm from Vermont, upstate New York, right on the border
[0:17] Speaker 2: my background. I'm actually an Army infantry veteran and I
[0:22] Speaker 2: was a detective and a sergeant in the police department.
[0:25] Speaker 2: I retired after eleven years, so I had almost two
[0:28] Speaker 2: decades between the military and law enforcement. And I have
[0:33] Speaker 2: been an avid outdoorsman my entire life, hunting and fishing
[0:38] Speaker 2: and camping, spending time in the Green Mountain National Forest.
[0:43] Speaker 2: They had irondax and just all around, you know, in
[0:46] Speaker 2: the woods. Ever since I was a little boy, I've
[0:53] Speaker 2: always kind of had an interest in sasquatch. And I
[0:57] Speaker 2: was actually born in an area referred to as the
[1:01] Speaker 2: Bennington Triangle in Vermont, kind of like the Bermuda Triangle.
[1:06] Speaker 2: All sorts of weird stuff happens. But with that, it's
[1:10] Speaker 2: an area that's known for sasquatch. And it's not that
[1:14] Speaker 2: far from an area that's well known for sasquatch called Whitehall,
[1:18] Speaker 2: New York, and that's in Washington County in Washington County
[1:23] Speaker 2: is where I had my first experience about twenty years ago.
[1:27] Speaker 2: I was sixteen years old. So about twenty years ago,
[1:34] Speaker 2: I was a sixteen year old boy, and I was
[1:39] Speaker 2: hanging out with a couple of my buddies and my
[1:44] Speaker 2: mother and stepfather were gone for the weekend, so we
[1:48] Speaker 2: were going to do some partying and some stuff that
[1:50] Speaker 2: sixteen year old boys do that then I was supposed
[1:52] Speaker 2: to do. And that being said, we all wanted to
[1:55] Speaker 2: hang out with each other, just the guys and my
[1:58] Speaker 2: high school girlfriend at the time, she wanted to hang
[2:03] Speaker 2: out with us, but I wasn't really looking for that.
[2:07] Speaker 2: I just wanted to hang out with my buddies. So
[2:09] Speaker 2: after a while, she talked us into meeting her down
[2:13] Speaker 2: at Stewart's, which is like a local gas station kind
[2:16] Speaker 2: of coffee chain in upstate New York. And we met
[2:21] Speaker 2: down there for a little while, and then my two
[2:25] Speaker 2: buddies and I went back to my house and she
[2:27] Speaker 2: drove back to her house. Now where she resides in
[2:31] Speaker 2: Washington County is very rural. The population is between fifty
[2:37] Speaker 2: and sixty thousand, and it's I mean, it's over eight
[2:40] Speaker 2: hundred and fifty square miles and the northern part of
[2:43] Speaker 2: it's like the southern part of the Adirondacks, and the
[2:46] Speaker 2: entire eastern border of Washington County borders the state of Vermont.
[2:52] Speaker 2: And again, this area that we're around is in the
[2:54] Speaker 2: Bennington Triangle right on the Vermont border, in the Gray
[2:57] Speaker 2: Mountain National Forest. We, like I said, we we separate,
[3:03] Speaker 2: and I go with my buddies back home, and she
[3:06] Speaker 2: heads her way and where she lives up on a mountain,
[3:10] Speaker 2: up a dirt road, and uh, a short time after
[3:14] Speaker 2: I got home, she called the house phone and cell
[3:19] Speaker 2: phones were very big thing back then, as you know,
[3:23] Speaker 2: and she called me and she was in a panic,
[3:26] Speaker 2: crying and freaking out.
[3:30] Speaker 3: And I asked her, well, what is going on with you?
[3:33] Speaker 3: What is going on?
[3:34] Speaker 2: And she says, You're not going to believe me, but
[3:38] Speaker 2: I think I had a bigfoot. I'm like what, And
[3:42] Speaker 2: I legitimately ended up like hanging up the phone on her.
[3:45] Speaker 2: And again, I've always been, you know, kind of a
[3:47] Speaker 2: believer in this, but I really thought that she was
[3:49] Speaker 2: just kind of looking for attention because she wanted to
[3:51] Speaker 2: hang out with us.
[3:53] Speaker 3: So she calls me back and she was mad.
[3:55] Speaker 2: I hung up on her and she was very upset, crying,
[4:00] Speaker 2: and she tells me of the story. So she drove
[4:05] Speaker 2: a Dodge Stealth, was like an old like Tudor kind
[4:08] Speaker 2: of sports car. I mean, the thing was kind of
[4:11] Speaker 2: a pile, but it was a small, little Tudor sports car.
[4:15] Speaker 2: And she was driving up the dirt lane dirt rode
[4:18] Speaker 2: up the mountain and they're regrading the road, so like
[4:23] Speaker 2: people that aren't familiar with dirt roads, when dirt roads
[4:26] Speaker 2: get a bunch of potholes and stuff, and them they'll
[4:28] Speaker 2: come and they'll regrade and flat them back out, so
[4:32] Speaker 2: kind of tearing the road up a little bit. So
[4:34] Speaker 2: she was driving her car slow, and I remember she
[4:37] Speaker 2: said that there was a rabbit on the side of
[4:39] Speaker 2: the road and she's going up the mountain and she
[4:41] Speaker 2: kind of looked at the She was looking at the
[4:43] Speaker 2: rabbit as she was driving slow, and she said, all
[4:47] Speaker 2: of a sudden, something huge ran in front of her
[4:50] Speaker 2: car and it stopped her car.
[4:52] Speaker 3: She hit it and it stopped her car.
[4:54] Speaker 2: And she said she saw a huge hand reach out
[4:59] Speaker 2: and push itself up off the hood, stand up, and
[5:03] Speaker 2: then ran across the road and jumped over the bank.
[5:06] Speaker 2: And she was very worked up about this. So she
[5:10] Speaker 2: ended up talking my buddies and I into driving up
[5:13] Speaker 2: to her house. And we drove up there, and she
[5:17] Speaker 2: was visibly upset, shaking up, scared, and it was getting
[5:21] Speaker 2: later in the nighttime, so you know, I told her,
[5:24] Speaker 2: I was like, well, you dragged us all the way
[5:25] Speaker 2: out here and you supposedly hit a big foot. I
[5:27] Speaker 2: want you to bring me to the area and the
[5:30] Speaker 2: road where you hit this thing, because I wanted to investigate,
[5:32] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so my buddy was driving,
[5:37] Speaker 2: my one buddy and he had a buickless saber car,
[5:40] Speaker 2: like one of those big old boat cars. So she
[5:43] Speaker 2: reluctantly got in the vehicle and we drove down to
[5:46] Speaker 2: the place where she hit it. And it was hard
[5:49] Speaker 2: packed like dirt where they were tearing up, so there
[5:51] Speaker 2: was nothing really in the road, but there was something
[5:54] Speaker 2: over the bank, you know, it looked like something maybe
[5:56] Speaker 2: could have torn through the brush. And we have a
[5:59] Speaker 2: lot of black bears around here. They're everywhere, and we
[6:02] Speaker 2: all have grown up with black bears. I mean, the
[6:04] Speaker 2: police department would chase black bears out of the village
[6:07] Speaker 2: all the time. And there's black bears everywhere, so that
[6:10] Speaker 2: was my immediate thought, along with my buddies. So we
[6:13] Speaker 2: just figured it was a black bear. But she grew
[6:16] Speaker 2: up on a mountain and she swore it wasn't a
[6:19] Speaker 2: black bear.
[6:21] Speaker 3: So we ended up.
[6:23] Speaker 2: After we investigated, we had back up to the house
[6:25] Speaker 2: and I decided I was going to check her car
[6:27] Speaker 2: out see if there was any damage or anything of
[6:30] Speaker 2: that nature. And so we took some flashlights and went
[6:34] Speaker 2: and checked her car out, and on the hood of
[6:37] Speaker 2: her vehicle was this gigantic hamprint and the dust and
[6:43] Speaker 2: it was huge.
[6:44] Speaker 3: Now, I'm not a.
[6:45] Speaker 2: Giant guy, but I'm a decent sized guy, and I'm
[6:48] Speaker 2: like six to one. But my buddy that was with me,
[6:50] Speaker 2: he's much bigger than me, you know, his six three
[6:53] Speaker 2: sixty four, big man, huge hands. And as we're standing there,
[6:57] Speaker 2: we look at this hamdprint on the hood and we're.
[7:01] Speaker 3: All looking at each other like what in the world.
[7:04] Speaker 2: And my buddy, the gentleman that's much bigger than me,
[7:08] Speaker 2: he put his hand inside the handprint and it was
[7:11] Speaker 2: way bigger than his hand.
[7:13] Speaker 3: And as soon as he did that, we heard.
[7:18] Speaker 2: Like coming up from the hollow, like this blood curdling
[7:21] Speaker 2: scream like I had never heard anything like this before,
[7:25] Speaker 2: and honestly, it terrified my two buddies and I, and
[7:29] Speaker 2: we legitimately ran into the house, threw the their flashlights back,
[7:33] Speaker 2: and we peeled off out of there. I didn't even
[7:35] Speaker 2: say bye to her or nothing. That's how much this
[7:37] Speaker 2: scared us. Like this sound. It was this deep guttural
[7:43] Speaker 2: scream and it was I don't know, there's no other
[7:48] Speaker 2: way to explain it, and it sounded big. Well, we
[7:51] Speaker 2: ended up tearing out of there and had them back
[7:52] Speaker 2: to my house. And as soon as we get back
[7:54] Speaker 2: to my house, my buddies were shaken up about it,
[7:57] Speaker 2: and I instantly fired up the dial up internet and
[8:01] Speaker 2: got on and started looking up bigfoot audio and the
[8:05] Speaker 2: first one I clicked on sounded exactly like what we heard.
[8:11] Speaker 3: And at that point I.
[8:13] Speaker 2: Was completely vested, and so I said to my buddies that.
[8:15] Speaker 3: We got to go back up there.
[8:16] Speaker 1: Now.
[8:17] Speaker 2: Neither one of them wanted to go back up there.
[8:19] Speaker 2: And my whole thought process as a sixteen year old boy,
[8:23] Speaker 2: was that we were going to hop in my single
[8:25] Speaker 2: cable beat up RAM fifteen hundred truck and we're going
[8:29] Speaker 2: to head up to the top of the lane where
[8:30] Speaker 2: we heard it up the mountain, and my whole thought
[8:34] Speaker 2: process behind it and it's sense changed. Obviously, this is
[8:37] Speaker 2: twenty years ago and now would never hurt anything. But
[8:40] Speaker 2: my ale haall idea was if it ran in front
[8:42] Speaker 2: of the vehicle again, I wanted to prove its existence
[8:44] Speaker 2: and so I wanted something better than as buick, and
[8:47] Speaker 2: I wanted my truck, and I was I was going
[8:49] Speaker 2: to hit it. And so because you can't prove its
[8:51] Speaker 2: existence without a body, that was always the theory before,
[8:53] Speaker 2: you know. So my buddies again they reluctantly got in
[8:58] Speaker 2: the truck and we went up there, stopped at the house,
[9:01] Speaker 2: and they had heard this thing scream a few more times.
[9:04] Speaker 2: And my girlfriend at the time, her mother, who was
[9:07] Speaker 2: a mountain woman, she heard it herself, and she initially
[9:10] Speaker 2: she was like, ah, it's just coyotes, and then she said, no,
[9:12] Speaker 2: that ain't kyots and she never heard nothing like that before.
[9:16] Speaker 2: So we get some flashlights and we end up driving
[9:22] Speaker 2: up the lane and I had a single cab truck
[9:25] Speaker 2: and so I'm driving and I'm watching the road and
[9:29] Speaker 2: my one buddy, he's in the center of the bench
[9:33] Speaker 2: seat and he's got a flashlight pointed out the driver's
[9:36] Speaker 2: side of the window, you know, shining in the woods.
[9:39] Speaker 2: And then my other buddy he's shining the flashlight out
[9:42] Speaker 2: of the passenger side of the vehicle. We drive up
[9:46] Speaker 2: the lane and we didn't see nothing going all the
[9:50] Speaker 2: way up the lane. But when we turned around and
[9:52] Speaker 2: came back, there's an old section of the road on
[9:57] Speaker 2: the side of the road where there was this.
[9:58] Speaker 3: Real tall grass and.
[10:02] Speaker 2: Like siumanc and stuff like that, and the grass had
[10:05] Speaker 2: to have been I don't know, four or five feet high,
[10:09] Speaker 2: and the vegetation on the side of the road. And
[10:11] Speaker 2: as we're driving back down towards the house, my buddy
[10:16] Speaker 2: that's shotting the flashlight out the driver's side window over
[10:20] Speaker 2: the top of me.
[10:21] Speaker 3: He says, what is that?
[10:23] Speaker 2: And I stopped the truck, and I don't know, a
[10:27] Speaker 2: couple of feet above this vegetation was this big red
[10:31] Speaker 2: glow like now I know his eye shine and it's
[10:37] Speaker 2: just one glow. And so I was able to kind
[10:39] Speaker 2: of back my truck up and shine my headlights on it.
[10:43] Speaker 2: And as I shine my headlights on it, you can
[10:48] Speaker 2: make out a silhouette big head shoulders, and it turned
[10:54] Speaker 2: its head, and now there was two eyes staring at
[10:57] Speaker 2: us and like this whole silhouette. And as soon as
[11:01] Speaker 2: we all saw that, I mean, I wasn't as tough anymore.
[11:05] Speaker 2: And my buddy started screaming, get out of here, Get
[11:07] Speaker 2: out of here, get out of here. And so I
[11:09] Speaker 2: barreled it off the mountain in my truck, just took
[11:11] Speaker 2: off and again we got back to the house and
[11:15] Speaker 2: we threw the flashlights in there and and we got
[11:17] Speaker 2: out of there, and.
[11:20] Speaker 3: And that was. That was about the just of the experience.
[11:24] Speaker 2: But my buddies that freaked them out for so long,
[11:29] Speaker 2: where I'd get calls from them in the middle of
[11:31] Speaker 2: the night. My one buddy in particular, he's like, dude,
[11:33] Speaker 2: I think I hear that thing out there, and it
[11:35] Speaker 2: terrified and you know the sound that we heard in
[11:38] Speaker 2: the whole experience, and and you know, we went from
[11:42] Speaker 2: thinking it was this big joke to it wasn't a
[11:44] Speaker 2: joke at all. And I have since not talked to
[11:47] Speaker 2: my friends about this particular incident in quite some time,
[11:51] Speaker 2: but uh, there's no doubt in my mind that we
[11:55] Speaker 2: saw something inexplainable that night. So I've had I had
[12:00] Speaker 2: several experiences in other states. Like I said, I've I've haunted,
[12:05] Speaker 2: and Harvard is the deer on public land in several
[12:08] Speaker 2: different states. And I can't recall how many years ago
[12:12] Speaker 2: specifically it was, but probably five or six years ago
[12:16] Speaker 2: I was hunting in the Shawnee State Forest. It's like
[12:20] Speaker 2: skilleda county in Ohio, south central Ohio, and I went
[12:26] Speaker 2: out there with a few buddies and we used to
[12:29] Speaker 2: go out every year and go bow hunting, and the
[12:31] Speaker 2: Shawnee Forest is quite vast, and I could have been
[12:36] Speaker 2: longer than that, maybe six, seven, eight years ago. I
[12:38] Speaker 2: can't recall exactly. We went out for probably four or
[12:40] Speaker 2: five years straight, but either way, it's uh, you know,
[12:44] Speaker 2: it's like a ten eleven twelve hour drive from here
[12:46] Speaker 2: in upstate New York. And my first time heading out there.
[12:49] Speaker 2: You know this is I was an adult, obviously, and
[12:53] Speaker 2: had done a lot more research about Bigfoot and Sasquatch
[12:56] Speaker 2: and you know, firm believer. And I set to my boat,
[13:00] Speaker 2: said do you think we'll see a grass man out here?
[13:03] Speaker 2: And he was like, well, what is a grass man?
[13:05] Speaker 2: And I explained to him, you know, they referred to
[13:07] Speaker 2: sasquatch as a grassman in Ohio, and he kind of
[13:10] Speaker 2: wrote it off and you know, made fun of it
[13:12] Speaker 2: and chuckled, you know, as some people do. Well, we uh,
[13:17] Speaker 2: we get to Ohio and we're all excited and we
[13:21] Speaker 2: get there in time to get an afternoon hunting, and
[13:24] Speaker 2: it's quite a vast piece of forest out.
[13:26] Speaker 3: There in uh in Ohio. And there was four of
[13:29] Speaker 3: us total.
[13:31] Speaker 2: It was my one buddy and then another buddy with
[13:34] Speaker 2: his father, was an older man that you know, is
[13:37] Speaker 2: very experienced in the woods. All these all these guys
[13:39] Speaker 2: that I was hung with are very experienced woodsmen.
[13:42] Speaker 3: And so we go and we hunt the.
[13:44] Speaker 2: First evening there, and uh, the plan was is that
[13:48] Speaker 2: I was going to stay kind of low and work
[13:51] Speaker 2: my way up this big holler, and uh, my buddy's dad,
[13:55] Speaker 2: he was going to stay somewhat near around me, but
[13:57] Speaker 2: this is all public land. And then my two other
[14:00] Speaker 2: buddies we're going to head up the ridge and we
[14:02] Speaker 2: were all going to meet up, you know, when it
[14:04] Speaker 2: got dark.
[14:06] Speaker 3: And so we.
[14:07] Speaker 2: Hunt, you know, all evening, no issues or anything like that.
[14:12] Speaker 2: And at the end of the evening, I packed my
[14:15] Speaker 2: gear up and go meet up with my buddy's dad
[14:17] Speaker 2: and we're waiting off the trail for those other two.
[14:21] Speaker 3: And so then my.
[14:23] Speaker 2: Buddy and his father, they're standing there with me and
[14:26] Speaker 2: we're waiting for other buddy to come off the ridge.
[14:29] Speaker 2: And that same kind of guttural scream, like bark scream,
[14:34] Speaker 2: and we're a ways from everything. We hear that same
[14:37] Speaker 2: kind of thing that I heard before, and my one
[14:39] Speaker 2: buddy looks right at me as soon as a happy
[14:41] Speaker 2: He's like, la, it's what is that?
[14:43] Speaker 3: What is that?
[14:44] Speaker 2: And that's kind of truckling. I'm like, what do you
[14:45] Speaker 2: think it is?
[14:46] Speaker 3: Buddy?
[14:46] Speaker 2: I was like, you guys are all making fun of me.
[14:48] Speaker 2: It was like it was probably a grassman. And it
[14:52] Speaker 2: really concerned my buddy to the point where he thought
[14:55] Speaker 2: it was our other friend coming down the mountain, coming
[14:57] Speaker 2: down the ridge. And he's said, Art's yelling for him,
[15:01] Speaker 2: and I'm like, what are you doing. He goes, We've
[15:02] Speaker 2: got to make sure he's all right. You got to
[15:04] Speaker 2: make sure he's all right, make sure that's not him.
[15:06] Speaker 2: And so we use they're called Garman Rhino radio. It's
[15:11] Speaker 2: like a walkie talkie, but it also has like a
[15:13] Speaker 2: GPS on it and then you can talk, you know,
[15:17] Speaker 2: like back and forth, and the range is is quite far,
[15:20] Speaker 2: several miles.
[15:22] Speaker 3: So he's like, can you get him on the radio.
[15:24] Speaker 2: So I tried to getting him on the radio and
[15:25] Speaker 2: he answers and I said, hey, you all right, and
[15:28] Speaker 2: he says, yeah, I'm fine. Why he's like, you didn't
[15:30] Speaker 2: hear that? He goes, no idea what you're talking about.
[15:32] Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, well, he's making his
[15:34] Speaker 2: way and put my radio away and it's dark at
[15:39] Speaker 2: this point.
[15:39] Speaker 3: Put my radio away. Since I put my radio away again,
[15:42] Speaker 3: it starts. Did we hear it again? You know this?
[15:44] Speaker 2: This this scream and my buddy once again. He's like,
[15:48] Speaker 2: can you get him on the radio. Make sure he's
[15:49] Speaker 2: all right, And he literally starts taking up off the
[15:51] Speaker 2: trail because he's that concerned.
[15:53] Speaker 3: And.
[15:56] Speaker 2: Again get him on the radio. Is like, I have
[15:58] Speaker 2: no idea what you're talking about. I didn't hear it.
[16:00] Speaker 3: We all heard it. The three of us down there.
[16:02] Speaker 3: We heard it a couple of times.
[16:04] Speaker 2: And so he finally rallies up with us and and
[16:07] Speaker 2: we're all talking and he didn't hear it, but the
[16:09] Speaker 2: three of us heard it, and it was incredibly loud. Well,
[16:16] Speaker 2: you know, the rest of the week goes on, and
[16:19] Speaker 2: my buddy, my one buddy, had set up some trail
[16:23] Speaker 2: cameras and he had a huge buck on camera. And
[16:27] Speaker 2: this again is all public lan and so getting game
[16:31] Speaker 2: plans together every day. You know, with these GPS's that
[16:35] Speaker 2: we use, every time you kee up on the radio,
[16:37] Speaker 2: you can see somebody's location.
[16:38] Speaker 3: In that way, it helps us keep track of each
[16:40] Speaker 3: other as well.
[16:42] Speaker 2: So you know, these guys kind of mess with me
[16:44] Speaker 2: about the whole bigfoot thing the entire time we're down there.
[16:49] Speaker 3: And after my.
[16:50] Speaker 2: Buddy had got that big picture or that picture of
[16:52] Speaker 2: that big buck, he said that that's where he was
[16:55] Speaker 2: going to spend the rest of his time hunting, you know,
[16:56] Speaker 2: trying to harvest that buck. And so one night when
[16:59] Speaker 2: we're up camp, I uh, you know, those guys are
[17:02] Speaker 2: picking on me, and I said, I told him, I said,
[17:04] Speaker 2: do I know exactly where you're hunting?
[17:06] Speaker 3: I said, I guarantee you right now.
[17:07] Speaker 2: I'll do a little research and I can find a
[17:09] Speaker 2: sasquatch story about that area that you're going to be
[17:12] Speaker 2: and guarantee it. So they're all laughing and chuck lund. Well,
[17:14] Speaker 2: I end up finding a story and I read it
[17:17] Speaker 2: to those guys, and this place is called Picnic Point,
[17:21] Speaker 2: and I read the story and the story was that
[17:24] Speaker 2: this guy and this girl went up to the top
[17:26] Speaker 2: of Picnic Points, very vast areas, pretty rugged train and
[17:30] Speaker 2: you know, there they were, you know, boyfriend girlfriend went
[17:33] Speaker 2: up to this point and late at night to hang
[17:35] Speaker 2: out Picnic Points top of this hill, which is you know,
[17:38] Speaker 2: kind of like a small mountain. And they said that
[17:41] Speaker 2: they're up there and they're sitting, you know, talking, and
[17:45] Speaker 2: that the whole woods went quiet, and a sasquatch had
[17:50] Speaker 2: come out, run out of the woods and slapped the
[17:53] Speaker 2: top of their their vehicle, and it scared them and
[17:56] Speaker 2: they saw it and they peeled out of there. And
[17:59] Speaker 2: so those guys where, you know, they're joking like ha ha.
[18:02] Speaker 3: I'm like, hey man, I.
[18:03] Speaker 2: Was like, there's the stuff like this that happens all
[18:05] Speaker 2: the time around here. Well, fast forward next day, I
[18:11] Speaker 2: was hunting as the crow flies probably you know, seven
[18:14] Speaker 2: or eight miles from from those two, and you know,
[18:17] Speaker 2: you're a distance back. You know, we're going in and
[18:19] Speaker 2: you're hiking in some places a mile mile back in
[18:22] Speaker 2: the public land. And so I'm up in my climber
[18:27] Speaker 2: tree stand, I was hunting at a tree stand at
[18:29] Speaker 2: that point, climber tree stand. And as I said before,
[18:33] Speaker 2: every time you hit the radio, it keys up with
[18:35] Speaker 2: the location. So I'm sitting at my tree stand and
[18:39] Speaker 2: all of a sudden, my radio keeps going off, blop blop,
[18:41] Speaker 2: bloop bloploop, and it's my same buddy, over and over
[18:43] Speaker 2: and over again. And I can't hear what he's saying
[18:46] Speaker 2: because it's too far out of out of the distance,
[18:49] Speaker 2: but I can see it keeps saying position updated, Position updated,
[18:53] Speaker 2: And I had just figured that he must have been
[18:55] Speaker 2: sitting on his radio and kept you know, hitting the
[18:57] Speaker 2: mic over and over and over again, and so I
[19:01] Speaker 2: kind of just played it off, didn't really think nothing
[19:02] Speaker 2: of it. And there's no cell phone service to talk
[19:04] Speaker 2: or anything like that. So hunt the rest of the
[19:07] Speaker 2: day and we you know, we go in in the
[19:09] Speaker 2: dark and the am, and then he stay all day
[19:13] Speaker 2: and then you're walking out of the woods in the dark.
[19:16] Speaker 3: So I didn't talk to these guys all day.
[19:18] Speaker 2: Well, once my buddy and I get back to camp
[19:21] Speaker 2: and meet up with a father and son duo, they said, Lance,
[19:24] Speaker 2: you're not gonna believe what happened. So they tell me
[19:29] Speaker 2: that it was the father and son. Do that we
[19:32] Speaker 2: heard that that thing scream at us together? Well, the
[19:37] Speaker 2: son he said that he was sitting up in his
[19:40] Speaker 2: tree and he was hunting out of his saddle, and
[19:42] Speaker 2: he said, you know, Lance, that thing that screamed at
[19:44] Speaker 2: us the other day. He goes, I heard it again,
[19:46] Speaker 2: and he said it was so loud. He goes that
[19:49] Speaker 2: I almost like fell out of the tree. He goes,
[19:51] Speaker 2: that's how much it scared me.
[19:54] Speaker 3: He said. I kept keying up.
[19:55] Speaker 2: The radio trying to get a hold of my dad,
[19:57] Speaker 2: and I couldn't get a hold of him. So he's like,
[19:59] Speaker 2: I end up getting out the tree and actually trying
[20:01] Speaker 2: to find him to make sure he was all.
[20:02] Speaker 3: Right, and uh so, then my buddy is dead.
[20:07] Speaker 2: It was like, I mean, I got to back up
[20:09] Speaker 2: a little bit because when I was telling him the
[20:11] Speaker 2: story about, you know, seeing a sasquatch up around that area,
[20:15] Speaker 2: and they're joking with me, I just told him, I said, well,
[20:17] Speaker 2: if you guys get a rock flying at you in
[20:19] Speaker 2: the middle of the woods, you just know it ain't
[20:21] Speaker 2: somebody messing with you. As a sasquatch they throw rocks
[20:23] Speaker 2: and you know, and they're ha ha, you got real
[20:25] Speaker 2: funny blah blah blah. Well my buddy is dead, he says, Lance,
[20:29] Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe what happened. He goes, I was
[20:31] Speaker 2: sitting there on this hillside, and you know beautiful I am.
[20:35] Speaker 2: And he said, all of a sudden, he said, it's
[20:38] Speaker 2: just completely silent, and he goes, I got this eerie
[20:41] Speaker 2: feeling over me. And he goes, I'm telling you, all
[20:44] Speaker 2: I could think about was that story that you were
[20:45] Speaker 2: telling me, he goes, and I swear on everything. And
[20:48] Speaker 2: this man spent a lot of time in the woods,
[20:50] Speaker 2: and this father and son duo traveled the country like
[20:53] Speaker 2: literally hunting different places. He says, Lance, I'm sitting there
[20:57] Speaker 2: and it's completely silent, and he says, a rock comes
[21:02] Speaker 2: flying through the trees and lands right next to him,
[21:06] Speaker 2: right next to him. And now he didn't hear it scream,
[21:10] Speaker 2: but he had the rock fly next to him, had
[21:12] Speaker 2: this eerie feeling something was washing him and it freaked
[21:15] Speaker 2: him out.
[21:15] Speaker 3: Like both of those guys that freaked him out.
[21:17] Speaker 2: And they were all worked up about it, and they
[21:22] Speaker 2: swear that it happened. I didn't experience it with him
[21:24] Speaker 2: that day, but they were both they said it happened.
[21:27] Speaker 2: And on my other buddy he was still a skeptic,
[21:29] Speaker 2: but on our way back he says, you know, I'm
[21:31] Speaker 2: not believing in it, but I think the other two
[21:32] Speaker 2: I think.
[21:33] Speaker 3: They're firm believers now.
[21:35] Speaker 2: And like I said, he swears that he had a
[21:37] Speaker 2: rock thrown at him, and that one that screamed at him,
[21:40] Speaker 2: he said it was louder than the one that we.
[21:42] Speaker 3: All had heard together.
[21:44] Speaker 2: And so that that happened in Ohio, and uh, that's
[21:48] Speaker 2: was several witnesses there. And I do have one more
[21:53] Speaker 2: experience that was probably the closest call that I've had,
[21:58] Speaker 2: and that happened a couple of years ago in Vermont,
[22:01] Speaker 2: in the Green Mountain National Forest, in the Bennington Triangle,
[22:06] Speaker 2: which any of the listeners said, if you all want
[22:08] Speaker 2: to look it up, the Bennington Triangles in Bennington, Vermont,
[22:11] Speaker 2: Green Mountain National Forest. I talk about Sasquatch, They talk
[22:14] Speaker 2: about strange lights, they talk about you know, little people
[22:19] Speaker 2: like there's like they.
[22:20] Speaker 3: Talk about puck wedgies.
[22:22] Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar, but I grew up
[22:24] Speaker 2: listening to stories about the little people in the mountains,
[22:27] Speaker 2: and they talk about Sasquatch. You know, they say, quote
[22:30] Speaker 2: unquote snatching people out of the woods there. But it
[22:34] Speaker 2: was a couple summers ago. I was dating this woman
[22:38] Speaker 2: and she lived in the Bennington Triangle in the middle
[22:41] Speaker 2: of nowhere, and in the evening times we sent her
[22:44] Speaker 2: back porch at night. Well, she had lived there for
[22:49] Speaker 2: several years and never had any interactions, never any weird
[22:53] Speaker 2: experiences anything like that. Well, I was sitting on her
[22:56] Speaker 2: back porch one evening, just normal summer evening. It was dark,
[23:01] Speaker 2: and I hear one start chattering on the hillside. I
[23:06] Speaker 2: didn't know what it was. But if if you know
[23:09] Speaker 2: your listeners are familiar with Ron Moorehead and the Sierra sounds,
[23:14] Speaker 2: you know, the Samurai sounds. The chatter, that's what it sounds.
[23:17] Speaker 2: Likes are like as ridiculous as it sounds, you know
[23:21] Speaker 2: how the chatters and it's like deep you can tell
[23:23] Speaker 2: us a large creature. And I hear the one and
[23:27] Speaker 2: I'm like, what in the world. I instantly I knew,
[23:31] Speaker 2: but I didn't say nothing. And then there was two
[23:34] Speaker 2: of them and they were chattering back and forth, like
[23:37] Speaker 2: on both sides of this hill in the middle of nowhere,
[23:40] Speaker 2: in the air the specific area is called Glossombury Mountain
[23:44] Speaker 2: and the banks and triangle. So I listened to him
[23:47] Speaker 2: for a while, and I sat there, silent on her porch,
[23:50] Speaker 2: and I was just waiting for one to literally, you know,
[23:54] Speaker 2: walk and approach me. That's what I was waiting. I
[23:56] Speaker 2: was watching the trees and I was hoping that my
[23:59] Speaker 2: eyes were justice enough, and I swear I was going
[24:01] Speaker 2: to see one like it was. I had never heard
[24:03] Speaker 2: anything like that in terms of the chatter, but it
[24:05] Speaker 2: sounds just like the syir nevad it sounds. So I
[24:08] Speaker 2: didn't say anything to the girl that I was that
[24:10] Speaker 2: I was seeing an her house, so I don't want
[24:12] Speaker 2: to freak her out. Well, the next night, we're both
[24:16] Speaker 2: sitting out there and they start doing it again. They
[24:21] Speaker 2: start chattering, and she looks at me and she said,
[24:24] Speaker 2: what is that?
[24:24] Speaker 3: What is that? What is that?
[24:25] Speaker 2: And I said, I said, I think it's sasquatch is talking.
[24:29] Speaker 2: This the only thing I explained, and she's like, I
[24:31] Speaker 2: have lived here for X amount of years. She's like,
[24:33] Speaker 2: I never heard nothing like that before. It freaked her
[24:35] Speaker 2: out so much she went in the house. I sat
[24:38] Speaker 2: out there and I listened to it for a while,
[24:39] Speaker 2: and they chattered for a while and then it stopped. Well,
[24:44] Speaker 2: curiosity got, you know, the best of me, and I
[24:46] Speaker 2: wanted to investigate. So it was like a day or
[24:49] Speaker 2: two later I had it out in that area where
[24:52] Speaker 2: they were. And I mean, I'm the kind of guy
[24:56] Speaker 2: I don't wear shoes, you know, in the wintertime, I
[24:59] Speaker 2: fo to wear shoes, unfortunately in the snow. But I'm
[25:02] Speaker 2: running around the mountains and everybody tell you I'm running
[25:04] Speaker 2: around the mountains barefoot all the time. I'm out in
[25:06] Speaker 2: the woods. And that's just how I am. Kind of wild.
[25:09] Speaker 2: That's why, you know, all my social media stuff, I
[25:11] Speaker 2: say stay wild all the time, because I'm kind of
[25:13] Speaker 2: a wild man. Well, I went out and I actually
[25:18] Speaker 2: I found a trackway and I had posted a video
[25:22] Speaker 2: about this on my original TikTok account before that TikTok
[25:25] Speaker 2: account got banned and this and like I said, I'm
[25:28] Speaker 2: about six foot one and this trackway was going across
[25:32] Speaker 2: the field and I put my foot and I wear
[25:36] Speaker 2: a size fourteen shoe and the track was bigger than mine.
[25:40] Speaker 2: The decompression in the in the in the soil, and
[25:44] Speaker 2: I had to stretch my feet out as far as
[25:47] Speaker 2: I could, like in a stride in order to walk
[25:51] Speaker 2: in this trackway. It was absolutely wild, and I filmed
[25:54] Speaker 2: a video about it, and that video might still be
[25:58] Speaker 2: on YouTube. I'm not sure. I know it does have
[26:01] Speaker 2: some profanity in it, but I uh, I recorded it,
[26:06] Speaker 2: and I showed like how far the trackway was stretched
[26:09] Speaker 2: out and everything, and you know, my experience as a detective,
[26:13] Speaker 2: I was gonna I want to come back and plaster
[26:15] Speaker 2: cast it. And you know, I'm I have experienced doing
[26:18] Speaker 2: plaster casts and stuff.
[26:19] Speaker 3: I was.
[26:19] Speaker 2: I was an evidence technician and police photographer, professionally trained.
[26:24] Speaker 2: So I make that little video of the trackway. And
[26:28] Speaker 2: this was a very like still summer day, very still
[26:32] Speaker 2: summer day that you know, very very light breeze, nothing,
[26:35] Speaker 2: you know, not windy by any stretch of the imagination.
[26:40] Speaker 3: And I make a little video.
[26:41] Speaker 2: And as soon as I put my phone in my
[26:43] Speaker 2: pocket and I start walking towards the tree line, vic
[26:47] Speaker 2: a gigantic tree, probably seventy five yards from me gets
[26:52] Speaker 2: pushed over, completely silent, pushed over, and the.
[26:57] Speaker 3: Hair in the back of my neck stood up.
[26:59] Speaker 2: And I just took that as I'm like, okay, I
[27:01] Speaker 2: am leaving now, and I pulled out my phone, and
[27:04] Speaker 2: I and I and I, you know, I was recording,
[27:07] Speaker 2: like talking into it, trying to shine the phone behind me,
[27:10] Speaker 2: because I've seen where people have said, if you feel
[27:13] Speaker 2: like you know you have one watching you, you know,
[27:15] Speaker 2: pull out your phone, record like you're taking a selfie,
[27:18] Speaker 2: like taking a video, and maybe you'll catch one walking
[27:20] Speaker 2: behind you or ducking behind you, you know, picking it
[27:22] Speaker 2: up that way. And so I pulled out my phone
[27:25] Speaker 2: and I started walking the opposite direction because I took
[27:27] Speaker 2: that as a sign to get out of the area.
[27:29] Speaker 2: You know, I didn't feel like they were threatening me,
[27:31] Speaker 2: like they were going to hurt me. It was just
[27:33] Speaker 2: enough of a warning to say, hey, we're over here,
[27:35] Speaker 2: why don't you just turn around head back, And so
[27:38] Speaker 2: that's exactly what I did, and I pulled up my phone.
[27:41] Speaker 2: I was like, I don't care what anybody has to say.
[27:42] Speaker 2: They just put the tree over right over there, and
[27:44] Speaker 2: I'm getting out of here. And I kept the phone
[27:46] Speaker 2: going the entire time that I walked out of the woods.
[27:49] Speaker 2: And that particular woman that I was dating said that
[27:52] Speaker 2: she's like, I'm never She was like, I will never
[27:53] Speaker 2: go in the woods with you again, because every time
[27:55] Speaker 2: you go out looking for something, you find it.
[27:59] Speaker 3: And that was that was the wildest experience.
[28:02] Speaker 2: And I wish I would have thought to record, you know,
[28:05] Speaker 2: the samurai chatter, that that chattering sound of those two
[28:09] Speaker 2: back and forth. But I was just in the moment
[28:11] Speaker 2: and just listening to it. And I mean I've gone
[28:15] Speaker 2: up and into the National Force there that Saint Mary
[28:17] Speaker 2: and Bennington Triangle, and I've taken videos at tree breaks,
[28:22] Speaker 2: you know where they're at my head level six foot
[28:25] Speaker 2: and you know, trees are just snapped, and you know
[28:27] Speaker 2: how they mark their their trails and their territories.
[28:30] Speaker 3: But I'm a firm believer, and there's a lot of
[28:33] Speaker 3: them around.
[28:33] Speaker 2: And again Whitehall, New York is just north of me here,
[28:39] Speaker 2: and they talk about the Beast of a bear Road.
[28:41] Speaker 2: I mean small Town Monsters has done documentaries They're finding
[28:46] Speaker 2: Bigfoot has done shows up there. There's been several different
[28:52] Speaker 2: documentaries made.
[28:54] Speaker 3: Then people want to look it up.
[28:55] Speaker 2: The Beast of a bear Road A B A I R.
[28:59] Speaker 2: I believe that's how you spell it with a Beast
[29:02] Speaker 2: of abe air road. There's a notorious sighting in the
[29:05] Speaker 2: seventies where it's state police sheriff's officers in Whitehall Police Department.
[29:10] Speaker 2: We're chasing around a sasquatch in the village Whitehall for
[29:12] Speaker 2: a couple of days with numerous eyewitnesses. So this area
[29:16] Speaker 2: here has a lot of excitings and there's a lot
[29:19] Speaker 2: of people that have seen stuff around here, that's for sure.
[29:23] Speaker 1: It sure sounds like that's the case. When you were
[29:27] Speaker 1: serving our country in the Army Infantry lance, did you
[29:30] Speaker 1: take any special courses on tracking? If you did, do
[29:34] Speaker 1: you use any of those techniques that you learned when
[29:36] Speaker 1: you're out doing field investigations?
[29:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was in the light infantry, so
[29:42] Speaker 2: you're out in the field, you know, and it's you
[29:44] Speaker 2: obviously learned land navigation and you spend a lot of
[29:48] Speaker 2: time in the woods training that way tracking though, Like
[29:53] Speaker 2: my whole family are hunters, and I mean I started
[29:57] Speaker 2: hunting deer in Vermont when I was old enough to
[30:00] Speaker 2: hold a shotgun. So it's been the majority of my life.
[30:05] Speaker 2: And again I've harvested deer and several states on public land.
[30:10] Speaker 2: I end up going actually going back to Ohio and
[30:15] Speaker 2: I harvested a beautiful buck about a mile and a
[30:17] Speaker 2: half in a big mature buck with my bow a
[30:20] Speaker 2: couple of years ago, a few years back, and all
[30:24] Speaker 2: these skills you know that you learn throughout your life,
[30:27] Speaker 2: definitely applying all of them. But just I think in
[30:32] Speaker 2: a big way is that they they pick and choose
[30:36] Speaker 2: who they want to interact with. Also because they can
[30:39] Speaker 2: feel energy and intent, and you know, it's all energetic
[30:45] Speaker 2: beings and you know people, you know, a lot of
[30:49] Speaker 2: people think that they're a gigantipith kiss, there's some sort
[30:52] Speaker 2: of primate. I come from the train of thought where
[30:55] Speaker 2: I think that they're an ancient humanoid species and they
[30:59] Speaker 2: are all so as wild as it seems. And I
[31:02] Speaker 2: know people are talking about this more but more interdimensional,
[31:06] Speaker 2: and they have the ability to use mind speak and
[31:10] Speaker 2: sense energy, energy, vibration, resonance, intent, those kind of things.
[31:15] Speaker 3: And there's been.
[31:16] Speaker 2: Several people, I mean a lot of people are talking
[31:18] Speaker 2: about it now. More people are talking about it now
[31:21] Speaker 2: about their ability to mind speak and speak telepathically.
[31:26] Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they're far more in tune.
[31:28] Speaker 2: With nature and than we are, because we are much
[31:32] Speaker 2: more disconnected these days and we were in ancient times,
[31:36] Speaker 2: if that makes sense. Have you heard people talk like
[31:39] Speaker 2: that before?
[31:39] Speaker 1: Vick, Paul, I've been doing this for years and years,
[31:43] Speaker 1: started doing this back in two thousand and seven. So yeah,
[31:46] Speaker 1: I've heard tons of people talk about that and experiencing
[31:48] Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and I used to pooh poo it,
[31:51] Speaker 1: but you can only talk with so many very credible
[31:54] Speaker 1: eyewitnesses we tell you about experiencing something like that before
[31:58] Speaker 1: it actually sinks in and you think, go, well, yeah,
[32:01] Speaker 1: there's got to be something to this. Yeah, I do
[32:03] Speaker 1: believe that there's something to that. I wouldn't be surprised
[32:06] Speaker 1: in the least if they are spiritual beings with all
[32:09] Speaker 1: sorts of abilities that we just don't even understand it
[32:12] Speaker 1: probably never will. So I do believe.
[32:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And I'm right there with you, Vick, because
[32:18] Speaker 2: I always wrote it off too and I'm like, oh,
[32:21] Speaker 2: that's just a bunch of quackery. But the more you
[32:23] Speaker 2: listen to people and like you said, credible evidence, incredible
[32:26] Speaker 2: eyewitness statements, and there's just you look at the tatally
[32:30] Speaker 2: of the circumstances and you look at the patterns, and
[32:33] Speaker 2: there's so many times where it's very similar stories, you know,
[32:36] Speaker 2: talking about orbs and balls of light and even lights
[32:40] Speaker 2: in the sky and you know Native Americans and you know,
[32:44] Speaker 2: different cultures all speak about the same way as well,
[32:48] Speaker 2: so there's definitely something to that, and them being connected
[32:51] Speaker 2: and being much more connected and in tune than we are.
[32:54] Speaker 1: Well, I agree with everything you said here. There's way
[32:57] Speaker 1: too much there there for that to be nonsense. There
[33:00] Speaker 1: definitely has to be something to that, in my opinion,
[33:03] Speaker 1: at least. When your girlfriend called you that day to
[33:06] Speaker 1: tell you about her hitting that big foot, you said
[33:09] Speaker 1: that you didn't believe her. Was that because you didn't
[33:11] Speaker 1: think they were real or was it for another reason?
[33:15] Speaker 3: No, I thought that they were real, but you don't.
[33:18] Speaker 2: I mean back then I thought they were real, but
[33:21] Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't expect to have that experience firsthand.
[33:25] Speaker 2: And then I also thought that she was just trying
[33:28] Speaker 2: to get our attention with something preposterous, you know, because
[33:31] Speaker 2: she knew that I would talk about sasquatchery once in
[33:33] Speaker 2: a while, so I didn't know if it was like
[33:35] Speaker 2: an attention thing. But but as again, everything that happened,
[33:40] Speaker 2: obviously she wasn't making that up.
[33:43] Speaker 3: And everything happens for a reason. And I think that.
[33:46] Speaker 2: Sometimes, you know, even when you know, we doubt, I
[33:51] Speaker 2: think that's when we get our biggest proof, you know,
[33:54] Speaker 2: much like that with my friends that were in Ohio
[33:56] Speaker 2: with me, they all thought it was funny until it
[33:59] Speaker 2: wasn't funny anymore, you know what I mean.
[34:02] Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, have an experience like that. Yeah, when
[34:06] Speaker 1: someone doesn't take you seriously, it gets kind of heated.
[34:09] Speaker 1: And speaking of that, how much blowback did you experience
[34:12] Speaker 1: from your girlfriend when you didn't believe it first?
[34:16] Speaker 3: She was upset.
[34:17] Speaker 2: I mean, she was yelling at me on the phone
[34:18] Speaker 2: and she was crying. It was like hysterical from everything
[34:21] Speaker 2: that I can recall, you know, And that my one buddy,
[34:29] Speaker 2: my buddy that you know he put his hand in
[34:31] Speaker 2: that handprint. He called me several times, and he lived
[34:35] Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, and he called me several
[34:38] Speaker 2: times and he was like, dude, I'm telling you, I
[34:39] Speaker 2: think I hear that thing again in it Like it
[34:41] Speaker 2: was almost like post traumatic stress for him.
[34:44] Speaker 3: It freaked him out that bad.
[34:46] Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it did. Yeah, you're talking about a
[34:49] Speaker 1: guy who spent all that time in the woods thinking
[34:51] Speaker 1: he knows exactly what's out there and what's not thinks
[34:54] Speaker 1: he knows everything there is to know about the woods
[34:56] Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he finds out that's
[34:58] Speaker 1: not the case, not the case at all. So I'm
[35:01] Speaker 1: sure it did shake him up.
[35:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my high school buddy that got shaken up.
[35:05] Speaker 2: My hunting buddies. Every time I see them, they'll bring
[35:08] Speaker 2: it up and they call me the bigfoot guy. And
[35:11] Speaker 2: I mean, right now, I mean, my hat's got a
[35:13] Speaker 2: sasquatch on it. I have a sasquatch tattoo on my calf. Meanwhile,
[35:18] Speaker 2: I was a detective. People had a placard.
[35:21] Speaker 3: Made for me. It's aid Detective Sasquatch.
[35:23] Speaker 2: And I spoke quite candidly about all this stuff, and
[35:26] Speaker 2: even people that didn't believe, and even you know, like
[35:30] Speaker 2: law enforcement officers and stuff professionals, they say, Lance, you know,
[35:33] Speaker 2: I'm not.
[35:33] Speaker 3: A believer, but you do. You do present a very
[35:36] Speaker 3: good case.
[35:37] Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, if we're looking at the same
[35:39] Speaker 2: scope of practice and the same lens that we would
[35:41] Speaker 2: in the in the practice of law, then this is
[35:44] Speaker 2: how we're presenting this. We have the evidence and we
[35:47] Speaker 2: have the receipts. It's like, it's you all that need
[35:49] Speaker 2: to open your eyes to what's going on here.
[35:50] Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you what's even funnier than that.
[35:54] Speaker 1: A lot of these people who it seems like they
[35:56] Speaker 1: don't take it all that seriously. I'll bet you a
[35:58] Speaker 1: lot of them are hooked on the top, but you
[36:00] Speaker 1: just would never know because they don't let that out
[36:02] Speaker 1: of the bag exactly.
[36:04] Speaker 3: No, absolutely.
[36:05] Speaker 2: And I have another some friends up north that I
[36:09] Speaker 2: used to camp with, and they're much older than me,
[36:12] Speaker 2: but they lived Whitehall Ford N Line up around that
[36:16] Speaker 2: same area in northern Washington County, and they swear that
[36:20] Speaker 2: one ran across the road in front of them, and
[36:22] Speaker 2: Ford N went right one night, so that looked like
[36:25] Speaker 2: a huge gorilla, and they swore up and down. And
[36:28] Speaker 2: they also swear that they saw a champ which is
[36:32] Speaker 2: a completely different cryptid, but it's a Lake Champlain has
[36:37] Speaker 2: a sea serpent, a sea monster, and it's been documented
[36:40] Speaker 2: since the beginning of documentation. But the Abenaki tribes there
[36:46] Speaker 2: they called it the you know, a horned serpent.
[36:50] Speaker 3: Shamuel D.
[36:51] Speaker 2: Samplain talked about the quote unquote explorer that founded Lake Champlain,
[36:56] Speaker 2: but lots of people talk about it.
[36:58] Speaker 3: Some people there is that it's a pleasia sore, but they.
[37:02] Speaker 2: Have done echo location in sonar, and they have gotten
[37:06] Speaker 2: responses and it's it's almost like whales sonar that they're
[37:09] Speaker 2: picking up in the lake and they swear that they
[37:12] Speaker 2: saw one of those two. There's quite a few people
[37:15] Speaker 2: up around that area. And again Whitehall, the south basin
[37:20] Speaker 2: of Lake Champlain is in Whitehall, the same area where
[37:24] Speaker 2: all the sasquatch sightings are. And actually it was like
[37:28] Speaker 2: like Barnum and Bailey Circus. P. T. Barnum, he put
[37:32] Speaker 2: a bounty out for champ in Whitehall years ago. I
[37:35] Speaker 2: wanted to put it in the circus, wanted people to
[37:37] Speaker 2: kill one so we could put it on display. So
[37:40] Speaker 2: it's a very interesting area up here in upstate New York.
[37:44] Speaker 1: Well, i'd say it is. He has a lot of
[37:46] Speaker 1: interesting things going on up there. Absolutely, are you still
[37:51] Speaker 1: in contact with that girlfriend who hit the sasquatch? And
[37:54] Speaker 1: if you are, what are your thoughts on that experience? Now?
[37:58] Speaker 1: Does she wear it like a bad javannor or does
[38:00] Speaker 1: she still hate the fact that she did that.
[38:05] Speaker 3: I haven't talked to her in years.
[38:07] Speaker 2: I joined the army when I was seventeen years old
[38:10] Speaker 2: and shipped out and I'm going overseas and stuff, and
[38:15] Speaker 2: we lost contact years ago, so I haven't talked to
[38:17] Speaker 2: her about that in many years.
[38:20] Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, I wondered if you were still in contact.
[38:23] Speaker 1: So I understand when you went back up to the
[38:27] Speaker 1: place where she had hit it, you said that you're
[38:29] Speaker 1: planning to hit it yourself. So that would make it
[38:32] Speaker 1: really easy to prove their existence if it ever actually happened.
[38:36] Speaker 1: But I'm wondering that's how you felt back then, that
[38:39] Speaker 1: was your mindset back then at the time present day,
[38:43] Speaker 1: would you still go to those lengths to prove their
[38:45] Speaker 1: existence or have you kind of backed off? No.
[38:49] Speaker 2: I would never hurt one, and I'd advise that anybody
[38:53] Speaker 2: that comes across one in the woods, if they do
[38:56] Speaker 2: have a firearm, do not point it at them. Know
[39:00] Speaker 2: what weapons are, and I do believe that they will
[39:04] Speaker 2: defend their young.
[39:05] Speaker 3: And I you.
[39:07] Speaker 2: Know sasquatch being that they're sabe however you want to
[39:13] Speaker 2: refer to it. They all have different personalities and I
[39:16] Speaker 2: think that there could be some that are aggressive, and
[39:20] Speaker 2: there's even military documentation like survival pamphlets from like the
[39:25] Speaker 2: seventies or the Air Force list sasquatch as a dangerous
[39:29] Speaker 2: species that you could encounter, like in California. I'm not
[39:34] Speaker 2: saying that they're all dangerous, but I think that's one
[39:37] Speaker 2: of the reasons why the government denies their existence, is
[39:42] Speaker 2: because they do exist, and I think that people do disappear.
[39:45] Speaker 2: But I also think it's because sometimes people pose a
[39:49] Speaker 2: threat to them, you know, with a firearm pointing it
[39:52] Speaker 2: at them, and they defend their defend themselves and defend
[39:55] Speaker 2: their young. They're they're super highly advanced and highly intelligent.
[40:00] Speaker 2: It's not some ape running around in the woods, you know,
[40:05] Speaker 2: like some people would want to believe. I think that
[40:08] Speaker 2: they're highly advanced, but I would never kill one. I
[40:12] Speaker 2: would never harm one. And again it's with intent and
[40:17] Speaker 2: it's all energy and vibration, and just like with animals
[40:21] Speaker 2: and stuff, and like dogs, like they can they can
[40:25] Speaker 2: sense your fear in that sense, no matter what you
[40:28] Speaker 2: see one in the woods, it's probably going to be terrifying.
[40:31] Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people that testify that it's
[40:33] Speaker 2: going to be terrifying. And I think that there's different
[40:36] Speaker 2: kind of subspecies of them. You know, you hear about
[40:38] Speaker 2: larger ones up north, but then like down in Texas,
[40:41] Speaker 2: some of them are more aggressive and and then like
[40:44] Speaker 2: you have the skun cape where they're they're different sizes
[40:48] Speaker 2: and they all look a little bit different, you know,
[40:53] Speaker 2: But no, I would.
[40:54] Speaker 3: I would never hurt one.
[40:55] Speaker 2: And even if you wanted to defend yourself against one,
[40:59] Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything that you.
[41:00] Speaker 3: Really could do.
[41:01] Speaker 2: But I would just advise people not to be aggressive
[41:04] Speaker 2: towards them because I think that's that's when things go bad.
[41:08] Speaker 3: And if you're in the woods and.
[41:10] Speaker 2: This is something that you know, people that are listening,
[41:13] Speaker 2: and you know hunters especially, you know, I could go
[41:17] Speaker 2: into the woods a thousand times and not feel anything
[41:21] Speaker 2: but that thousand and one time when you're walking through
[41:24] Speaker 2: the woods and you can feel eyes on you as
[41:27] Speaker 2: if you're being watched, like the hair in the back
[41:29] Speaker 2: of your neck standing up. I think that that's them
[41:31] Speaker 2: telling you that you're there there, And this is where
[41:34] Speaker 2: it gets, you know, very spiritual, and I'm a very
[41:37] Speaker 2: spiritual man. But it's all energy, it's all vibration, and
[41:41] Speaker 2: it's all intent. And I think they'll let you know
[41:44] Speaker 2: when they're there a lot of times.
[41:46] Speaker 3: And if you do.
[41:47] Speaker 2: Get stuff thrown at you, you know, you do get
[41:49] Speaker 2: bluff charged, or they do knock down trees, it's best
[41:53] Speaker 2: just to turn around and go away, because I think
[41:56] Speaker 2: that they're kind of nomadic and semi nomadic, and I
[41:59] Speaker 2: move through areas and you think about it, just like us,
[42:04] Speaker 2: they don't want anybody messing with them, and not not
[42:06] Speaker 2: for nothing, but humans are incredibly destructive, and so I
[42:10] Speaker 2: think we're far more of a threat to them than
[42:11] Speaker 2: they aren't to us, you know what I mean.
[42:14] Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, I think that's the case.
[42:16] Speaker 1: But in the woods, I think they're a much bigger
[42:18] Speaker 1: threat to us than we are to them. But I'm
[42:21] Speaker 1: talking about the potential when it comes to actually being
[42:24] Speaker 1: a threat. I don't think they normally would go out
[42:27] Speaker 1: of the way to harm us, But like you laid out,
[42:30] Speaker 1: I'm sure there are plenty of deviant examples where if
[42:32] Speaker 1: they do get the opportunity, they will do something unfortunate
[42:36] Speaker 1: to you. So, yeah, like you said, it's a good
[42:38] Speaker 1: idea to be careful out there.
[42:41] Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And there's I mean you can go out
[42:44] Speaker 2: and you know tree breaks. I mean they make there's designs,
[42:48] Speaker 2: there's there's tree breaks, there's do you go out and look,
[42:51] Speaker 2: there's probably more evidence than what most people realize, you know,
[42:55] Speaker 2: in certain areas have you know, more evidence than others obviously,
[42:59] Speaker 2: but if you're up in an area like the at
[43:02] Speaker 2: and aroundex I mean there's a few you know, quote
[43:05] Speaker 2: unquote big foot hunters around her. They're not trying to physically,
[43:08] Speaker 2: you know, harm one on it, but they're looking for
[43:10] Speaker 2: sasquatch and there's they found plenty of evidence. I mean,
[43:15] Speaker 2: you hear it every single day, so you know about
[43:17] Speaker 2: all the evidence that exists. But there's plenty of evidence
[43:20] Speaker 2: to suggest I mean that we know that they're real.
[43:25] Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, they're definitely out there. That's all there
[43:27] Speaker 1: is to that. You've been doing this for a long time.
[43:31] Speaker 1: Lance with that in mind, what's the most extreme thing
[43:34] Speaker 1: you've ever done to try to have a sighting or
[43:37] Speaker 1: to at least have an encounter.
[43:41] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I I'll go out into the woods
[43:45] Speaker 2: barefoot by myself, leave my cell phone, because I think
[43:50] Speaker 2: that they can pick.
[43:50] Speaker 3: Up on that.
[43:52] Speaker 2: You know, it's just like a energy vibration and frequency.
[43:56] Speaker 2: I know, I keep saying it over and over and
[43:58] Speaker 2: over again, but you know people talk about out sell cameras. Well,
[44:01] Speaker 2: they can see the EMF, they can see they can
[44:05] Speaker 2: see the U or feel the EMF coming from them
[44:09] Speaker 2: in the infrared, and so they know it's there and
[44:11] Speaker 2: then they can sense it. It's it's literally like you know,
[44:14] Speaker 2: like the sixth sense. So I'll go into the woods barefoot,
[44:18] Speaker 2: being like a sasquatch without my cell phone, up in
[44:21] Speaker 2: the mountains, and uh, you know, I'll do my hoots
[44:24] Speaker 2: and my hollers and and uh, you.
[44:28] Speaker 3: Know, try to get a response.
[44:30] Speaker 2: But I don't ever feel and I know that there's
[44:33] Speaker 2: been plenty of times where they've watched me and you
[44:35] Speaker 2: can feel, like I said, those eyes. But I guess
[44:38] Speaker 2: being up in the up in the mountains all by
[44:40] Speaker 2: yourself with no phone and you know, just being yourself,
[44:45] Speaker 2: I guess, and showing the intent.
[44:46] Speaker 3: But that's I mean, that's wild enough in itself.
[44:49] Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if that isn't wild enough, it's wild
[44:53] Speaker 1: enough until something wilder comes along, which won't happen all
[44:56] Speaker 1: that often, that's for sure. I'd say, you think they
[45:02] Speaker 1: select you they interact with. When you had that experience
[45:05] Speaker 1: in the Bennington Triangle a couple of summers ago, when
[45:09] Speaker 1: you said you were sitting out on that porch with
[45:11] Speaker 1: your girlfriend at her house, she said that was the
[45:13] Speaker 1: first time she had ever heard anything like that, I e.
[45:16] Speaker 1: Her hearing them vocalize the way they did. After having
[45:20] Speaker 1: that experience out there with you, did she move right
[45:23] Speaker 1: away or did she stay there still for some time?
[45:28] Speaker 2: She's still there, and I mean I don't see her anymore,
[45:32] Speaker 2: but that was the only time she ever experienced or
[45:35] Speaker 2: anything like that.
[45:36] Speaker 3: And I mean.
[45:37] Speaker 2: It sounds wild, and people can think it's wild, but again,
[45:40] Speaker 2: I think everything happens for a reason. And I think,
[45:44] Speaker 2: much like the amazing work that you're doing talking to
[45:46] Speaker 2: witnesses and having your own experiences, is that there is
[45:50] Speaker 2: going to be a bridge in communication at some point.
[45:52] Speaker 2: I really do believe that, and I think that's why
[45:54] Speaker 2: they reveal themselves to certain people and they can tell
[45:58] Speaker 2: and they know and this goes deeper than any of
[46:01] Speaker 2: us could even fathom, you know what I mean?
[46:04] Speaker 1: Oh No, I think they do really pick and choose
[46:08] Speaker 1: who is allowed to see them, unless they really slip
[46:11] Speaker 1: up and they reveal themselves to someone who they didn't
[46:14] Speaker 1: plan to do so, Like you said, I think they
[46:17] Speaker 1: really are selective on who they allowed to see them.
[46:20] Speaker 1: But with that in mind, do you think the Sasquatch
[46:23] Speaker 1: you heard that night when you were sitting on the
[46:25] Speaker 1: porch with your girlfriend. Do you think that all happened
[46:28] Speaker 1: for your benefit? It wouldn't have happened, in other words,
[46:31] Speaker 1: if you wouldn't have been sitting there on her porch,
[46:34] Speaker 1: or do you think it was just dumb luck.
[46:37] Speaker 2: I think it was for my benefit because it's even
[46:41] Speaker 2: sparked that experience in themselves even sparked more of a
[46:45] Speaker 2: passionate and desire to I want to prove along with you,
[46:51] Speaker 2: just like you do. I want to prove to all
[46:52] Speaker 2: the naysayers that these things are real. And like I
[46:57] Speaker 2: picked myself up a Nikon P eleven hundred camera which
[47:02] Speaker 2: has an incredible optical zoom on it, and I fully
[47:06] Speaker 2: intend to get some pictures of it and some high
[47:08] Speaker 2: definition photographs that nobody's going to be able to refute.
[47:11] Speaker 2: And I think that with my background, my training and experience,
[47:14] Speaker 2: I was an expert witness for the State of New York,
[47:17] Speaker 2: you know, trained and police photography, trained in evidence collection.
[47:24] Speaker 2: They wrote letters about my integrity. And it's not to
[47:27] Speaker 2: toot my own horn, but I think that with my
[47:31] Speaker 2: background and my forte, if I bring a legitimate picture,
[47:34] Speaker 2: then who's going to refute that you know what I mean.
[47:38] Speaker 1: Well, now, since AI is so advanced, in my opinion,
[47:44] Speaker 1: pictures and videos don't mean all that much anymore. It's
[47:47] Speaker 1: just gotten that much harder to prove their existence. So
[47:50] Speaker 1: that's just one of those things, another object to throw
[47:53] Speaker 1: in the pile of objects and barriers that you're going
[47:57] Speaker 1: to have to overcome if you ever do want to
[47:59] Speaker 1: prove their existence.
[48:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's and that's part of it, I guess,
[48:04] Speaker 2: for the AI and all that nonsense. Which that kind
[48:07] Speaker 2: of the AI stuff really bugs me, especially in the
[48:10] Speaker 2: Bigfoot community, because you'll see stuff circulating and you can
[48:13] Speaker 2: tell that it's AI, and it discredits the work that
[48:17] Speaker 2: people are trying to do, and it can be frustrating.
[48:20] Speaker 1: Oh very And it never ceases to amaze me how
[48:23] Speaker 1: many people believe in the crap it floats around out
[48:26] Speaker 1: there that's obviously fake, but they just buy into it,
[48:29] Speaker 1: hook line the sinker. But that's just how it is,
[48:32] Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know.
[48:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know that there's legitimate evidence, you know,
[48:37] Speaker 2: because everybody always says, well, hell come, there's not any
[48:39] Speaker 2: pictures of them. I'm like, well, I can show you
[48:41] Speaker 2: ten pictures or videos that I know are legitimate, but
[48:44] Speaker 2: you're just going to say they're not real anyway, So
[48:46] Speaker 2: what's the matter.
[48:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. I've seen people come forward
[48:50] Speaker 1: with some really impressive evidence and they get harassed and
[48:55] Speaker 1: shot down left and right. So who's to blame them
[48:59] Speaker 1: for keeping the good stuff to themselves?
[49:01] Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely absolutely.
[49:04] Speaker 2: But again, all of us in this community, you know,
[49:06] Speaker 2: we're all we're all looking at this with the best
[49:09] Speaker 2: of intent, and there's a lot of good people and
[49:12] Speaker 2: the Sasquatch made the Bigfoot community of the cryptic community
[49:15] Speaker 2: that we just want to prove that they're real, not
[49:19] Speaker 2: for any other reason, but you know, we have to cohabitate,
[49:24] Speaker 2: like we're all in this together. And I do also
[49:29] Speaker 2: come from the trend of thought where I think that
[49:30] Speaker 2: there are certain units that you know, government units that
[49:34] Speaker 2: hunt these things down. And I've I've heard enough testimony
[49:37] Speaker 2: and seen enough evidence of that myself, you know, listening
[49:40] Speaker 2: to people talk about it, that this kind of stuff
[49:43] Speaker 2: gets suppressed.
[49:45] Speaker 3: I really do think it gets suppressed. I think that
[49:52] Speaker 3: recreation and the national parks and all that.
[49:55] Speaker 2: If it would really you know, it probably cut into
[49:59] Speaker 2: the the money that the government makes in these parks
[50:04] Speaker 2: and things if they say, well, hey, just so you know,
[50:06] Speaker 2: there's a giant humanoid, you know, species out here that
[50:09] Speaker 2: could possibly snatch you up if it wanted to. You know,
[50:11] Speaker 2: that might scarce and deter some people from going out
[50:14] Speaker 2: into the woods.
[50:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance of that.
[50:19] Speaker 1: In the government, they know what they're doing, So there's
[50:23] Speaker 1: their madness. Absolutely, you obviously want to prove their existence
[50:28] Speaker 1: to the masses. Lance you sit that just a bit
[50:31] Speaker 1: ago here, But do you investigate them more so to
[50:35] Speaker 1: prove their existence to the masses or more soed for
[50:38] Speaker 1: your own personal discovery.
[50:43] Speaker 3: I mean, I know that they're real.
[50:46] Speaker 2: Anybody that knows that's talked to me about this knows
[50:49] Speaker 2: that I know that they're real. And at the end
[50:51] Speaker 2: of the day, if people don't want to believe, I can't.
[50:53] Speaker 2: I can't convince anybody. They have to convince themselves. It's
[50:57] Speaker 2: just like any other evidence you can present at all
[50:59] Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, they have to
[51:01] Speaker 2: be the one that's gonna believe it, and you know.
[51:04] Speaker 3: That lays within themselves.
[51:06] Speaker 2: But it's also part of an awakening and an experience. Again,
[51:11] Speaker 2: if we could there's so many people I think that
[51:15] Speaker 2: know that they exist or think that something is out
[51:16] Speaker 2: there now that maybe I don't know, Maybe it wouldn't
[51:19] Speaker 2: make a huge difference. But the picture of the photograph it.
[51:28] Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
[51:30] Speaker 2: I guess just proving in general, proving in general that
[51:33] Speaker 2: they're there. You know, there's other things that are out there.
[51:36] Speaker 2: I mean, we could talk about so many different things. Wolfman,
[51:41] Speaker 2: you know, that's a whole other different thing. But I
[51:45] Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I just proven that they're real.
[51:48] Speaker 2: Proven we know that they're real. But there's that's the
[51:51] Speaker 2: whole thing. It's like a chink in the armor. If
[51:53] Speaker 2: they admit that Sasquatch is real, But what else they've
[51:55] Speaker 2: been lying about? You know what I'm saying. So I
[51:57] Speaker 2: think that's why they hold on to it. The government
[51:59] Speaker 2: knows that they're real, people know what they're real. You know,
[52:01] Speaker 2: there's so many people that have samples that you know
[52:05] Speaker 2: that colleges and universities they refuse to test.
[52:08] Speaker 3: And why is that?
[52:10] Speaker 2: Well, because they know that they got something and they
[52:13] Speaker 2: can't prove that it's real because it goes against the narrative.
[52:17] Speaker 1: You mean, there's some kind of a covert effort out
[52:18] Speaker 1: there to keep their existence under wraps. Is that what
[52:21] Speaker 1: you're saying, Yes, yes, I do believe so, yeah, of
[52:26] Speaker 1: course they are. I agree. You've gone to some interesting
[52:30] Speaker 1: places to do your investigations, Lance, But what's your number
[52:34] Speaker 1: one must visit bucket list place to investigate them.
[52:39] Speaker 2: I want to go out west, like to Washington and
[52:43] Speaker 2: northern California, getting out that.
[52:47] Speaker 3: Way to check it out.
[52:51] Speaker 2: That it's just that seems like a pretty cool place
[52:55] Speaker 2: to investigate. But I'd love I'd love to do some
[52:58] Speaker 2: international travel too, you know.
[53:00] Speaker 3: And and.
[53:03] Speaker 2: You know, I've heard a lot of people talk about,
[53:05] Speaker 2: you know, stories of them being in like an Afghanistan.
[53:08] Speaker 2: I was an Afghanistan and I've I've since heard stories about,
[53:12] Speaker 2: you know, soldiers having interactions with them. They're in Vietnam,
[53:16] Speaker 2: you know, soldiers had interactions with I don't know they
[53:19] Speaker 2: referred to as the oring Pendet. But in Vietnam they
[53:22] Speaker 2: talk about eight men. But it's it's all over the world,
[53:25] Speaker 2: and so many other cultures talk about it, and it's
[53:28] Speaker 2: not dismissed. It's just a known thing that they exist.
[53:30] Speaker 2: But for some reason here the United States and especially
[53:34] Speaker 2: in quote unquote Western civilization, we just completely negate the
[53:38] Speaker 2: fact that they exist, and we discredit all of the
[53:44] Speaker 2: the tribes that talk about this, like Sabe Sabe and
[53:49] Speaker 2: the seventh Grandfather teaching Sabe stands for well, wisdom, honesty,
[53:55] Speaker 2: like it's a legitimate thing in the totem. So are
[53:58] Speaker 2: all the other all the other animal most quote unquote
[54:00] Speaker 2: creatures are real, but the Sabbe is not. Well, why
[54:03] Speaker 2: would they say that when they all say it's real,
[54:05] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's just that's the frustrating
[54:09] Speaker 2: part about it is that, you know, these experts, they
[54:13] Speaker 2: just want to quickly dismiss it when they're overwhelming evert
[54:16] Speaker 2: and evidence to support that they exist.
[54:18] Speaker 3: And it's it's quite disrespectful too, culturally to all these
[54:23] Speaker 3: tribes and all these different cultures that know that they exist.
[54:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous. They know so much more
[54:30] Speaker 1: about this land than we're ever going to know, so
[54:32] Speaker 1: why not listen to them?
[54:34] Speaker 3: Exactly?
[54:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, Definitely, when you do field investigations, do you travel
[54:40] Speaker 1: as light as possible or do you lean more to
[54:43] Speaker 1: the heavily equipped side.
[54:47] Speaker 2: I kind of wing it, and a lot of times
[54:50] Speaker 2: it seems like.
[54:54] Speaker 3: I kind of let my intuition guide me.
[54:56] Speaker 2: So I could drive my truck and just go for
[54:58] Speaker 2: a walk, you know, and and then just kind of
[55:01] Speaker 2: follow my intuition, you know, walking around in the woods.
[55:05] Speaker 2: Like I said, I'll be out barefoot in a pair
[55:08] Speaker 2: of shorts, you know, walking around in the mountains in
[55:11] Speaker 2: the summer day. And I've found numerous tree breaks. Those
[55:18] Speaker 2: I've posted about on social.
[55:20] Speaker 3: Media as well.
[55:21] Speaker 2: But now I'm I'm bringing around I'm getting used to
[55:26] Speaker 2: bringing around this p eleven hundred camera, this nikon with me.
[55:29] Speaker 2: It's a fairly new purchase and I use it for
[55:31] Speaker 2: you know, my social media right now, taking pictures of
[55:34] Speaker 2: architecture and things of that nature. But I'm getting used
[55:36] Speaker 2: to bringing that around with me, and you know, carrying
[55:39] Speaker 2: a pack. Always kind of carried a pack with me,
[55:42] Speaker 2: but I want it with me for one that the
[55:45] Speaker 2: opportunity presents itself. But I think whatever is meant to
[55:49] Speaker 2: happen is going to happen, you know, and you can't
[55:52] Speaker 2: always be prepared.
[55:53] Speaker 3: But things happen as they're supposed to happen.
[55:58] Speaker 1: Like the way you think, I really do. And I
[56:00] Speaker 1: like the way you go out there as light as possible.
[56:03] Speaker 1: I mean, there are advantages and disadvantages to that, just
[56:07] Speaker 1: like there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. But I'm
[56:11] Speaker 1: sure there are a lot of people listening to this
[56:13] Speaker 1: who think it's crazy for you to go out that way,
[56:16] Speaker 1: just so light without much of anything in the way
[56:19] Speaker 1: of gear. But yeah, I mean by going out that way,
[56:22] Speaker 1: that's going to enable you to do things that people
[56:24] Speaker 1: who are loaded down they'd never be able to do.
[56:27] Speaker 1: So it's all about give and take, it really is.
[56:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, the give and take.
[56:32] Speaker 2: And then again, I think that they can sense your
[56:35] Speaker 2: energy and they know and it's almost like, I don't know,
[56:42] Speaker 2: like you're walking, you're walking around as like almost like
[56:45] Speaker 2: a biosensor, like your aura.
[56:47] Speaker 3: You know, your aura.
[56:50] Speaker 2: That's a legitimate thing, and I think that they can
[56:55] Speaker 2: feel it. It's all it's all vibration and resonance and frequency.
[56:58] Speaker 2: And so if you follow your intuition and you're following
[57:01] Speaker 2: your heart, and you are staying genuine to yourself and
[57:06] Speaker 2: you have good intent, Intentions are so very important when
[57:10] Speaker 2: it comes to all this, especially spiritually, follow your intuition,
[57:14] Speaker 2: follow your heart, and have good intent, and you're out
[57:17] Speaker 2: doing it, then the right thing is going to happen
[57:19] Speaker 2: when it's supposed to happen.
[57:21] Speaker 1: That does put you in a really good place to
[57:23] Speaker 1: have an experience. I agree.
[57:27] Speaker 3: Do you want me to drop my social media stuff?
[57:30] Speaker 1: Yeah? Please do.
[57:32] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[57:32] Speaker 2: If people want to follow me on social media, you
[57:35] Speaker 2: can look up Lance from Upstate l a Ncee from Upstate.
[57:42] Speaker 2: I have about thirty five thousand followers on Facebook right now,
[57:46] Speaker 2: about twenty five thousand followers on TikTok, about the same
[57:49] Speaker 2: on Instagram, and a few thousand on YouTube. But I
[57:53] Speaker 2: talk about all sorts of wild stuff. We talk about
[57:56] Speaker 2: cryptids and things of that nature, but we also talk
[57:58] Speaker 2: about a lot of that hidden history, his story, and
[58:03] Speaker 2: we have a great community of people. And I've actually
[58:07] Speaker 2: done some live streams where people have come on and
[58:09] Speaker 2: they've talked about their sashquatch experiences.
[58:12] Speaker 3: And so if you'd love to do you like to.
[58:14] Speaker 2: Check me out and give me a follow, I'd really
[58:16] Speaker 2: appreciate it. That's Lance from Upstate across all platforms. And
[58:20] Speaker 2: thank you very very much. Vic, I appreciate you and
[58:22] Speaker 2: all you're doing well.
[58:24] Speaker 1: You know you're welcome what Navid any other way, and
[58:27] Speaker 1: for everyone listening so that you know I'm going to
[58:29] Speaker 1: post links to everything that Lance just mentioned about is
[58:33] Speaker 1: social media everything that he wants to promote in the
[58:36] Speaker 1: description for tonight's show, that'll make it really easy to find.
[58:40] Speaker 1: But having said that, thanks against so much for your time, Lance,
[58:44] Speaker 1: and have a great night. That's it for another episode
[58:53] Speaker 1: of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had
[58:57] Speaker 1: a sasquatch encounter and would like to be guest on
[59:00] Speaker 1: the show, please go to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and
[59:03] Speaker 1: submit a report.
[59:05] Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have
[59:09] Speaker 3: a great night.

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