# 25 Miles From Where I Saw Bigfoot - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 500

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 25 Sep 2025, 57 min.

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Tonight’s guest, Michael Bastin, lives about 25 miles from where he saw a group of Sasquatch when he was a kid. That’s a day he’ll never forget, for a lot of reasons. One of the biggest reasons why he’ll never forget what happened that day, at a place called Fort Ancient, in Southern Ohio, is due to the fact that one of the Sasquatch he saw was at least 15 feet tall! Not long after seeing the group of Sasquatch, Mike was running, as fast as he could, trying to get the heck out of the area with one of the Sasquatch hot on his heels. What happened that day? Why did Mike run, the way he did? We hope you’ll tune in and find out. If you’ve had a Sasquatch sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. I’d love to hear from you. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Tales https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134 Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

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[0:14] Speaker 2: My name is Michael Baston. I live in Hamilton, Ohio.
[0:20] Speaker 2: It's probably about, I don't know, maybe twenty five miles
[0:25] Speaker 2: from where I saw Bigfoot. I'm sixty five or sixty
[0:29] Speaker 2: four years old. I'll be sixty five in October. This
[0:33] Speaker 2: was almost the time of year that I had my sighting,
[0:38] Speaker 2: except it was a little bit later than this because
[0:41] Speaker 2: the leaves were falling and the trees were different colors
[0:44] Speaker 2: and all that. It was in a place called Fort Ancient.
[0:51] Speaker 2: It's at the bottom of the hill from Ford Ancient.
[0:56] Speaker 2: There's a canoe livery that I used to work at
[1:00] Speaker 2: through high school, teaching people how to canoe. And uh anyway,
[1:08] Speaker 2: uh when in high school, uh I my grades started
[1:14] Speaker 2: falling off when I was like a junior, and UH
[1:20] Speaker 2: I went into a vocational school to learn like plumbing
[1:25] Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And our teacher would take us
[1:30] Speaker 2: out in the field and he would only like use
[1:33] Speaker 2: two or three people and the rest of us have
[1:36] Speaker 2: to sit in our cars or whatever and wait until
[1:40] Speaker 2: the end of the day and then we could go home.
[1:43] Speaker 2: And uh, he got this job at this camp place
[1:48] Speaker 2: where it was way up on the hill outside of Ford,
[1:52] Speaker 2: ancient valley there, and uh it uh it was almost
[2:00] Speaker 2: like a small mountain, that's how big these hills are. Anyway,
[2:05] Speaker 2: at the bottom of that down across the street from
[2:08] Speaker 2: the canoe livery was this camp place that we went to.
[2:13] Speaker 2: And uh it was it winded way up on top
[2:17] Speaker 2: of the our way back in the woods, way up
[2:19] Speaker 2: on a hill. And uh, it wasn't my turn to
[2:23] Speaker 2: work with the teacher that day, and uh, we just
[2:26] Speaker 2: got sick and tired of just sitting there. So I
[2:29] Speaker 2: took a walk out in the woods and uh, there
[2:34] Speaker 2: was like it was real flat, but it was really
[2:38] Speaker 2: really deep forest. It was big round oak trees. As
[2:43] Speaker 2: you were walking, your feet would sink down like almost
[2:47] Speaker 2: a foot in the leaves because there were probably there
[2:50] Speaker 2: was probably never a man ever stepped there, and uh,
[2:54] Speaker 2: all the leaves every year would compile until it was
[2:57] Speaker 2: just like real spongy. And so I just kept walking
[3:01] Speaker 2: and I was like three hundred yards away from that
[3:03] Speaker 2: camp out in the woods, and it started getting to
[3:06] Speaker 2: a point where it was like these little ravines went
[3:12] Speaker 2: down and from one side of the ravine to the
[3:16] Speaker 2: other side of the rim was probably about fifty eight
[3:19] Speaker 2: to sixty maybe one hundred feet, I guess. And I
[3:23] Speaker 2: came to that first one, and I thought, man, I'm
[3:26] Speaker 2: not even going to think about going down in that
[3:28] Speaker 2: little ravine because I'll hit them leaves and start sliding.
[3:31] Speaker 2: So I just stood there for a minute, and I
[3:35] Speaker 2: turned to my right, and I realized there was this
[3:38] Speaker 2: big clearing in the trees where you could look off
[3:42] Speaker 2: of that hill and you could see all the way
[3:43] Speaker 2: down to the river, and it was just really beautiful.
[3:49] Speaker 2: The trees were like, I don't know, four or five
[3:52] Speaker 2: feet thick around, they were just huge. Well, I stood
[3:57] Speaker 2: there from man, looking at that, and I heard this
[3:59] Speaker 2: rustle sound in the leaves, and I also heard it
[4:05] Speaker 2: to me. It sounded like a real deep snore. And
[4:13] Speaker 2: I stood different men and I looked over across the
[4:16] Speaker 2: ravine and the big one its head rose up the
[4:24] Speaker 2: back of its head and I was looking at the
[4:26] Speaker 2: back of its head, and I froze, and it turned
[4:31] Speaker 2: its head and looked at me and then stood up,
[4:35] Speaker 2: and I watched these big foot shows and they always say, well,
[4:42] Speaker 2: it was at least eight foot tall or nine foot tall.
[4:46] Speaker 2: This thing was. It was orange orangeish brown color. It
[4:54] Speaker 2: had round black eyes, and it was at least fifteen
[5:01] Speaker 2: football at least. And I could only see from its
[5:06] Speaker 2: knees up because it was standing behind like that little hill,
[5:11] Speaker 2: and it was just staring at me. And I was
[5:14] Speaker 2: just staring at it at it when it stood up,
[5:17] Speaker 2: and I was froze. I could I couldn't hardly move.
[5:21] Speaker 2: So I heard some more rustling in the leaves, and
[5:25] Speaker 2: this other one poked its head up over top of
[5:29] Speaker 2: that hill, and I noticed that one. I looked at
[5:35] Speaker 2: its face. It had human looking eyes and they were blue,
[5:40] Speaker 2: they were bright blue eyes. And there was other ones
[5:45] Speaker 2: down there too, and so I started to kind of
[5:52] Speaker 2: back up a little bit, and I was just really
[5:56] Speaker 2: really scared. I was only that was and this was
[6:00] Speaker 2: back when I was in high school, so I mean
[6:03] Speaker 2: I was just a kid, you know, sixteen year old,
[6:05] Speaker 2: seventeen year old, I guess something like that. And I
[6:12] Speaker 2: just turned and started walking real fast, and it was like,
[6:19] Speaker 2: I don't I can't describe it, man, I couldn't hardly
[6:22] Speaker 2: make my legs move, and I kept looking over my shoulder,
[6:27] Speaker 2: and then I realized. I looked back and I saw
[6:30] Speaker 2: him standing up on the top of that little hill,
[6:34] Speaker 2: and I stopped for a second just to look, and
[6:37] Speaker 2: he jumped from one side of that little hill to
[6:40] Speaker 2: the other side of that hill, and just like boom,
[6:44] Speaker 2: he was there. So I started running and I kept
[6:47] Speaker 2: looking back, and that thing was running too, and it
[6:50] Speaker 2: was gaining on me, and I could start to hear
[6:53] Speaker 2: the noise from the camp, and I always almost to
[6:58] Speaker 2: the clearing and I got to the and I stopped,
[7:02] Speaker 2: and I looked back and heat that thing had stopped,
[7:05] Speaker 2: and it just put its head down like it wasn't
[7:09] Speaker 2: really going to try to hurt me. I don't think
[7:12] Speaker 2: I felt like it needed help, That's what I felt.
[7:18] Speaker 2: But man, I was just too scared, you know. So
[7:20] Speaker 2: I ran back up there to the car. And that
[7:23] Speaker 2: was the only thing I've ever seen from my bigfoot. Uh.
[7:28] Speaker 2: That's really the whole story, you know. They they closed
[7:36] Speaker 2: that camp off. Now you can't go in there. You'd
[7:39] Speaker 2: have to try to find out who owns it and
[7:43] Speaker 2: all that, or I could take somebody there. But like
[7:47] Speaker 2: I said, I don't know how to go through those
[7:50] Speaker 2: kind of loops and stuff, so I wouldn't know, but
[7:53] Speaker 2: I know where it was at, and I could take
[7:55] Speaker 2: somebody there if they knew how to figure it out.
[8:00] Speaker 2: But yeah, this place is its dense forest where I'm
[8:04] Speaker 2: talking about on top of the hill. Fort Ancient is
[8:08] Speaker 2: a place where Native Indians. They were like little pygmy Indians,
[8:15] Speaker 2: I guess, real short little Indians, and when they would die,
[8:20] Speaker 2: they would make mounds and they would bury their dead
[8:23] Speaker 2: in a mound. And they're still several mounds up and
[8:28] Speaker 2: down through that road up there. They also have an
[8:32] Speaker 2: actual fort or a park that was built into a
[8:38] Speaker 2: fort back in the Civil War days. I guess it was.
[8:41] Speaker 2: I'm not sure about all that, but yeah, it just
[8:47] Speaker 2: I just I don't know. Now that I've had all
[8:49] Speaker 2: these years to think about it, I think that those
[8:52] Speaker 2: Indians probably knew they were there. They probably interacted with
[8:56] Speaker 2: them and everything, because like I said, I didn't I
[8:59] Speaker 2: was care but I really don't feel like they were
[9:03] Speaker 2: going to try to hurt me in any way. I also, uh,
[9:08] Speaker 2: I could I remember when the snoring stuff start stopped,
[9:13] Speaker 2: there was some there was a noise where one of
[9:16] Speaker 2: them was like it wasn't whimpering, but it was like, uh,
[9:23] Speaker 2: I'll try to make the noise. It was like, A
[9:29] Speaker 2: that's what it sounded like to me. And I think
[9:33] Speaker 2: that maybe one of them was pregnant or something and
[9:36] Speaker 2: they were having problems and the big one didn't want
[9:39] Speaker 2: to see his baby die or something. I don't know, man,
[9:41] Speaker 2: but I just feel like that they needed by help,
[9:45] Speaker 2: and but I was just too scared oed to get
[9:50] Speaker 2: out of there. Man. Anyway, I got back to the class,
[9:53] Speaker 2: uh and got in the car with some many other
[9:56] Speaker 2: guys waiting to go home, and I said something to
[9:59] Speaker 2: them and they just lost it. So I really never
[10:03] Speaker 2: told anybody. I said something to my wife one day
[10:06] Speaker 2: about it, and she laughed and laughed and laught. My
[10:10] Speaker 2: daughter was laughing, and so I just don't really talk
[10:13] Speaker 2: about it that much. That's really about it. Though.
[10:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shame you're treated that way when you
[10:20] Speaker 1: tried to tell people about that experience, but that's how
[10:23] Speaker 1: it normally goes. It's unfortunate, but that's how it normally
[10:27] Speaker 1: goes when you do something like that. Fort Engen is
[10:31] Speaker 1: a really neat name for that. Please, do you know
[10:34] Speaker 1: how got its name. Did he get that name due
[10:36] Speaker 1: to the Indians who used to live there or for
[10:38] Speaker 1: some other reason.
[10:40] Speaker 2: They were If I'm not mistaken, they were like right
[10:45] Speaker 2: after prehistoric days. That's how old they were. You could
[10:51] Speaker 2: probably google it and check it out. I'm sure they
[10:54] Speaker 2: got a website. But they have a museum. And when
[10:59] Speaker 2: you turn the place, there's a museum. There's just a small,
[11:03] Speaker 2: you know, little museum. But when you go in there,
[11:06] Speaker 2: it shows how they lived and they they relied on
[11:11] Speaker 2: the Little Miami River to survive, and uh, I don't know,
[11:19] Speaker 2: it just uh, you know. The main thing about all
[11:24] Speaker 2: that for me was how I always hear these people
[11:28] Speaker 2: on TV say how what size these things were. They're
[11:32] Speaker 2: a lot bigger than that, some of them, some of them.
[11:35] Speaker 2: If they wanted to attack a town or something, it
[11:39] Speaker 2: just you wouldn't have a chance if it was in
[11:43] Speaker 2: the middle of the night or something and they were
[11:44] Speaker 2: really after everybody. It just and that thing was massive.
[11:49] Speaker 2: It's neck was probably I don't know, I would never
[11:55] Speaker 2: be been able to get my hands around neck, that's
[11:58] Speaker 2: how big it's neck was. It's just scary looking, especially
[12:03] Speaker 2: with brown black eyeballs. It just it just stare. It's
[12:07] Speaker 2: like stare in a hole for you. And when I've
[12:10] Speaker 2: seen it jump over that that ravine like that, I
[12:14] Speaker 2: thought that was it another thing in that area out there.
[12:20] Speaker 2: Uh my father is as was a minister, a preacher,
[12:25] Speaker 2: and uh I've kind of uh discouraged me from that
[12:33] Speaker 2: when I saw that, uh those many years ago, I
[12:38] Speaker 2: don't really I tried to go back to church a
[12:41] Speaker 2: few times, but I just couldn't. I couldn't do it, man.
[12:47] Speaker 2: And not to say that they were probably there during
[12:50] Speaker 2: the Bible stuff, but it just, uh there's no mention
[12:55] Speaker 2: of anything like that, you know what I mean? And uh,
[12:59] Speaker 2: it's I don't know. It just changed things for me.
[13:03] Speaker 2: I look at things differently now.
[13:05] Speaker 1: Oh, I bet you do now understand there are a
[13:08] Speaker 1: lot of people who swear up and down the Sasquatch
[13:11] Speaker 1: or just nehle them. What are your thoughts on that.
[13:15] Speaker 2: They think they are?
[13:16] Speaker 1: What a lot of people will say that Sasquatch or
[13:20] Speaker 1: nefhlm nefle them from the Bible. But I was wondering
[13:24] Speaker 1: what your opinion might be on that.
[13:29] Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, But nefhlin or they were
[13:34] Speaker 2: like gods. They wasn't like a big thing like that.
[13:38] Speaker 2: That thing's scary, bob. I mean it just its hands
[13:45] Speaker 2: were probably h you know them big beach balls, the
[13:52] Speaker 2: real big ones that they bounce around at football games
[13:55] Speaker 2: and stuff. Oh yeah, well, this thing's hand would wrap
[13:59] Speaker 2: probably over half of that ball. That's how big people
[14:03] Speaker 2: And if it grabbed, if it would have grabbed me,
[14:06] Speaker 2: it just ought. I hadn't done a squeeze. It just
[14:11] Speaker 2: ita squeezed, being half but a netlins. I don't know, man,
[14:16] Speaker 2: I know that when I first saw it, I was uh.
[14:24] Speaker 2: I went on. It's like I couldn't feel her move
[14:29] Speaker 2: for anything. It scared. I had to force myself. I
[14:33] Speaker 2: was a football player, basketball track, I did all the sports,
[14:38] Speaker 2: and I was back then. I was really physically fit,
[14:41] Speaker 2: and I couldn't hardly run. I couldn't hardly walk when
[14:46] Speaker 2: I was running back to the thing. It was a
[14:49] Speaker 2: slow run. It wasn't like a matter of fact. When
[14:52] Speaker 2: I was in high school my junior and senior year,
[14:56] Speaker 2: I was the fastest person in our school at the
[15:00] Speaker 2: yard dash, and I couldn't get away from that thing.
[15:04] Speaker 2: If I had even tried, if it really wanted me,
[15:07] Speaker 2: it could have got me at any moment. But it didn't.
[15:11] Speaker 2: And that's what that's kind of bothered me through the years,
[15:14] Speaker 2: that I might have been able to help that thing.
[15:18] Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, I know it was. It
[15:23] Speaker 2: wasn't stupid like people think, like it's just some gorilla
[15:28] Speaker 2: or some hate. It was smart. I could tell it
[15:33] Speaker 2: was smart, and wish I could see it again. Now
[15:38] Speaker 2: that I'm older, I'd love to see it again.
[15:41] Speaker 1: Well, you never know, you just might get a chance
[15:43] Speaker 1: to see one again. It's hard to say. And that's
[15:46] Speaker 1: one of the things about sasquatch. They do so many
[15:48] Speaker 1: things that are just so hard to figure out. For example,
[15:52] Speaker 1: if that one did chase you because it wanted help,
[15:55] Speaker 1: well it had to know that by chasing you that
[15:58] Speaker 1: you're just going to run away. So if it did
[16:00] Speaker 1: want help, it's just hard to understand why it would
[16:03] Speaker 1: chase you the way it did.
[16:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've also heard, you know, these things on
[16:10] Speaker 2: on TV and stuff, and I guess that's probably got
[16:15] Speaker 2: a lot to do with why it Well, why can't
[16:17] Speaker 2: I tell my story? You know what I mean? But
[16:19] Speaker 2: I always hear them say that there's these screeches and
[16:24] Speaker 2: loud screams and stuff, and I didn't hear anything like that.
[16:29] Speaker 2: It was quiet, and and it just it just seemed
[16:33] Speaker 2: to me like it would have been friendly. If I'd
[16:38] Speaker 2: have turned around and walked back to it, it would
[16:41] Speaker 2: have been friendly. I don't know. Maybe not, I don't know. Uh,
[16:47] Speaker 2: but I was just too scared, like I said, yeah,
[16:53] Speaker 2: being a kid like that. I actually wondered, uh several times,
[16:58] Speaker 2: was that the devil? Because that man it is. I
[17:04] Speaker 2: don't know. I just I wish everybody in the world
[17:07] Speaker 2: could have seen what us and then they would understand.
[17:12] Speaker 1: Well, some of us Sti'll want to see a fifteen
[17:14] Speaker 1: foot tall sasquatch. That's a big one right there. I've
[17:20] Speaker 1: had people come on the show before who reported seeing
[17:22] Speaker 1: fifteen foot tall sasquatch. But for anyone listening who can't
[17:27] Speaker 1: wrap their minds around what he's talking about, size wise,
[17:30] Speaker 1: a freeway overpass that's not even fifteen feet tall, So
[17:35] Speaker 1: that is huge. It really is.
[17:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. You know, I'm sitting here looking at
[17:44] Speaker 2: the back of my garage, and my garage is probably
[17:50] Speaker 2: I don't know, the peak of it is probably twelve feet.
[17:55] Speaker 2: It was taller than that. It was big, and I
[17:59] Speaker 2: it was all, like I said, at the most a
[18:02] Speaker 2: hundred feet maybe to the other side of that ravine.
[18:06] Speaker 2: I guess that's what you call it. You know, where
[18:08] Speaker 2: like the streams go down off the hill, off the
[18:11] Speaker 2: mountain or whatever. And it was like a little valley
[18:14] Speaker 2: and it had like a little stream at the bottom
[18:16] Speaker 2: and then on the other side. Uh, just maybe a
[18:20] Speaker 2: hundred feet at the most, and that thing jumped from
[18:24] Speaker 2: there to there like it was nothing.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing how they do a lot of things
[18:29] Speaker 1: they do. It's almost like it's not fair that they
[18:32] Speaker 1: have all these abilities.
[18:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. I told my best friend in high school one day,
[18:39] Speaker 2: because we had football practice at nine, I just wasn't
[18:43] Speaker 2: I just wasn't into it. And he's a real big dude,
[18:47] Speaker 2: and he said, what's up. Well, I said, well, I said,
[18:54] Speaker 2: I think I saw the devil. And because back then
[18:59] Speaker 2: we didn't have phones, I couldn't call some a buy
[19:01] Speaker 2: or take a picture. It was nineteen seventy eight or
[19:05] Speaker 2: seventy nine, one of them, and uh, I went back then,
[19:12] Speaker 2: I never heard of bigfoot. I never knew nothing about
[19:15] Speaker 2: nothing like that. And he told me, he said, well,
[19:21] Speaker 2: he said, you know, your dad's a minister and the
[19:24] Speaker 2: devil would probably show itself to somebody like you, and
[19:27] Speaker 2: I just always just kind of thought that. But I
[19:31] Speaker 2: don't know. That was the biggest thing live that's alive
[19:38] Speaker 2: that I've ever saw. I've seen drafts at the zoo
[19:41] Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. This thing would just
[19:44] Speaker 2: grab a girafte and just break it down. No grizzly
[19:51] Speaker 2: bear could ever fight this thing. Maybe the farther north
[19:55] Speaker 2: you go, the bigger they get or something. I don't know.
[19:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people clean, that's how it is,
[20:00] Speaker 1: and that just might be the case so they can
[20:03] Speaker 1: deal with the cold. It's really hard to say. I'm
[20:06] Speaker 1: wondering though, Mike. If it was right around fifteen feet tall,
[20:09] Speaker 1: how much do you think you weighed?
[20:13] Speaker 2: Uh? When it jumped over that ravine and hit the ground,
[20:17] Speaker 2: I kind of felt it, And I mean I didn't.
[20:23] Speaker 2: It didn't shake the ground, but I it was a
[20:26] Speaker 2: boom when it hit the other side, and I could
[20:31] Speaker 2: hear its footsteps even though there was a whole bunch
[20:33] Speaker 2: of leaves on the ground, I could still hear it
[20:38] Speaker 2: coming after me. So it it had to been I
[20:44] Speaker 2: don't know, you know, the ones that there was. There
[20:47] Speaker 2: was other ones there coup none of them was the
[20:50] Speaker 2: same color fur. The one who was chasing me, it
[20:53] Speaker 2: was like a reddish, a reddish light brown with black eyes.
[20:59] Speaker 2: And the other one when it poked its head up.
[21:02] Speaker 2: As soon as it did, my eyes went right to it,
[21:06] Speaker 2: and it had human like blue eyes, beautiful blue eyes,
[21:13] Speaker 2: and that kind of made me feel like maybe they
[21:18] Speaker 2: ain't so bad. I don't know. I was just a
[21:22] Speaker 2: kid man, and I wasn't gonna stand around and find out.
[21:27] Speaker 1: I don't blame you. That's a lot to process when
[21:30] Speaker 1: you're a kid, it really is. You told us about
[21:33] Speaker 1: the one that had the beautiful blue eyes. Could you
[21:36] Speaker 1: see the whites of its eyes on either side of
[21:38] Speaker 1: the blue irises.
[21:41] Speaker 2: It? Uh? I don't know, because it was maybe too
[21:45] Speaker 2: far from that. I just knew that it had big
[21:48] Speaker 2: blue eyes, and it wasn't as big as the other one.
[21:51] Speaker 2: It was small, But uh, yeah, I don't know. I
[21:57] Speaker 2: couldn't tell if there was white in the iron. I
[22:01] Speaker 2: could just see a big blue eyeball and the other ones.
[22:08] Speaker 2: I know there was other ones over there because I
[22:11] Speaker 2: could hear them as when that one stood up, I
[22:14] Speaker 2: could hear them all back behind that hill. And then leaves,
[22:17] Speaker 2: rustling around and then leaves. And I think he was
[22:21] Speaker 2: the leader. He was the big dude, and you know,
[22:26] Speaker 2: maybe he was going to try to protect them or
[22:28] Speaker 2: something from me. I don't know. I was so bad.
[22:33] Speaker 2: I could take somebody back to that place and just
[22:37] Speaker 2: just go back in them woods and try to find
[22:40] Speaker 2: some stuff and see that place again. I would love
[22:44] Speaker 2: to do that.
[22:46] Speaker 1: Oh, I bet you would.
[22:47] Speaker 2: I'll bet I've thought about calling them, trying to find
[22:52] Speaker 2: out who owns it, and just to see if I
[22:55] Speaker 2: could just come in there and just look around. But oh,
[23:00] Speaker 2: I appreciate you let me tell you all about it, though.
[23:04] Speaker 1: Well, thanks for coming on and telling this. Now, understand, Mike,
[23:08] Speaker 1: I'm sure you've already figured this out a long time ago.
[23:11] Speaker 1: But the one that chased you, if it wanted to
[23:14] Speaker 1: catch you, obviously it could have caught you. And the
[23:17] Speaker 1: fact that it didn't catch you that's a good thing
[23:20] Speaker 1: because if it didn't catch you, it clearly didn't want
[23:23] Speaker 1: to catch you. How much thought have you put into that?
[23:28] Speaker 2: That's why I think that, uh, it wasn't It didn't
[23:33] Speaker 2: want to hart me in that way. I think there
[23:36] Speaker 2: was a problem. I think they were in trouble, and
[23:40] Speaker 2: it was actually trying to reach out and get some
[23:42] Speaker 2: help because some maybe one of them was getting ready
[23:46] Speaker 2: to die or something, or maybe somebody shot one of
[23:50] Speaker 2: them or something. I don't know, but if it wanted
[23:56] Speaker 2: to catch me, it could off. There's no doubt about that.
[24:02] Speaker 2: It was a lot bigger, stronger, faster than I was.
[24:06] Speaker 2: And I wasn't running full speed. I couldn't. It's like
[24:10] Speaker 2: something happened to me. I couldn't run. Once I had
[24:16] Speaker 2: seen that clearing and seen my plumbing class. They had
[24:24] Speaker 2: used our vocational school to build these little bathrooms out
[24:28] Speaker 2: of the block and stuff, and then we came into install
[24:31] Speaker 2: all their plumbing fixtures and all that for this camp.
[24:35] Speaker 2: And that's why I was there at board and just
[24:40] Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen year old, and I just got bored a
[24:43] Speaker 2: day and I took a walk. Maybe I shouldn't have.
[24:47] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[24:49] Speaker 1: Well, you can't blame yourself for that. I mean, sounds
[24:52] Speaker 1: like a really neat area. You just wanted to go
[24:54] Speaker 1: out and take a look around. Anyone who likes the
[24:56] Speaker 1: outdoors would have done the same thing. So, yeah, that's
[25:00] Speaker 1: ear faulted, doll. I'm wondering though a lot of eyewitnesses
[25:04] Speaker 1: report feeling compromised the way you did that day. Did
[25:08] Speaker 1: you ever feel any vibrating sensations or any stream sensations
[25:12] Speaker 1: before you tried to turn and run?
[25:17] Speaker 2: Not vibration. I felt like I couldn't move and the
[25:25] Speaker 2: only thing could move was my eyes. And I looked
[25:28] Speaker 2: at it as it stood up, and I just froze,
[25:31] Speaker 2: like you know, and it entered my mind. Man, is
[25:36] Speaker 2: that the devil? Was I brought out here to meet
[25:41] Speaker 2: the devil? And man, it just I don't know. I
[25:47] Speaker 2: just froze. Then I saw that other one and I thought, well,
[25:52] Speaker 2: that one, that one don't look scary, But then that
[25:56] Speaker 2: other one just kept staring at me. So that's when
[25:58] Speaker 2: I turned around. I took all anyway, but vibrating and
[26:04] Speaker 2: something like that. No, I just I felt like more
[26:07] Speaker 2: of a numb feeling like I was. I don't know,
[26:12] Speaker 2: I don't know how to scribe it. It was a
[26:14] Speaker 2: long time agobe. Man, Yes, that was.
[26:18] Speaker 1: And if you felt somewhat of a numbing sensation, that
[26:22] Speaker 1: describes what a lot of eyewitnesses report is possibly being zapped.
[26:26] Speaker 1: These guys, they seem to have the ability to throw
[26:29] Speaker 1: infrasound at people that will it'll give you a numbing sensation.
[26:35] Speaker 1: Some people get violently ill. It's got a lot of
[26:39] Speaker 1: different ways of affecting different people. Some people can be
[26:43] Speaker 1: standing in a group, for example, and this person over
[26:46] Speaker 1: here feels nothing, while the person next to them is
[26:48] Speaker 1: violently ill. A person next to that person, they're affected
[26:53] Speaker 1: in a different way. So it's really hard to say
[26:55] Speaker 1: if they do throw infrasound at you, how it's gonna
[26:58] Speaker 1: affect you. But I sure I'm wondering if maybe that's
[27:01] Speaker 1: what was causing that problem. Were you felt so compromised.
[27:05] Speaker 2: Oh't know. I just maybe it did something like that,
[27:11] Speaker 2: because it probably sins the you know, because I was
[27:16] Speaker 2: playing football and all them sports all the every year,
[27:19] Speaker 2: all the time, ever since I was a little kid,
[27:23] Speaker 2: and I was cut back then, you know, and maybe
[27:28] Speaker 2: that thing realized I better get over there fast because
[27:32] Speaker 2: these things are do something to him because he's gonna run.
[27:36] Speaker 2: I don't know, it could be.
[27:38] Speaker 1: I guess well they knew full well that if you
[27:41] Speaker 1: ran or not, they could catch you if they wanted to.
[27:44] Speaker 1: So I don't think that's what was going on, But
[27:47] Speaker 1: then again, I wasn't there and also I can't think
[27:49] Speaker 1: for these guys though, who really knows when it comes
[27:52] Speaker 1: down to it, how long did you stand there, though,
[27:55] Speaker 1: rooted in place, before you did turn to run?
[27:59] Speaker 2: I probably when I was looking off of that hill,
[28:02] Speaker 2: looking how partty it was down there by the river
[28:04] Speaker 2: and all that. It's like a mountain, it really is.
[28:08] Speaker 2: It's way up there. And when you go down to
[28:13] Speaker 2: where the livery is and the entrance to that camp place,
[28:18] Speaker 2: it's probably two or three miles down to the bottom
[28:23] Speaker 2: of the hill, and it's a it's a real winding
[28:26] Speaker 2: road because it's so steep, and it's just it's beautiful
[28:33] Speaker 2: out there. It really is.
[28:36] Speaker 1: Oh, I bet it is. You said that that siding
[28:39] Speaker 1: happened close to a camp, and then you also mentioned delivery.
[28:43] Speaker 1: Was it a horse camp?
[28:44] Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So Ford Ancient is it's the fort Ancient.
[28:49] Speaker 2: It's an actual place where these Indians work. Well, they
[28:55] Speaker 2: made this big thing out of it where you can
[28:58] Speaker 2: it's got a big lookout place where you can look
[29:02] Speaker 2: out over over the whole valley and everything. And uh,
[29:06] Speaker 2: that's way up on top of the hill. And then
[29:10] Speaker 2: when you go down a couple of miles down into
[29:13] Speaker 2: where the river is. Uh, there's a canoe livery right there.
[29:17] Speaker 2: It's called Morgan's Canoe Livery. You can google that too.
[29:20] Speaker 2: I worked there back in the seventies in summertime and
[29:24] Speaker 2: make extra money, take my girlfriend out or whatever. And
[29:28] Speaker 2: right across the street was the entrance to that that camp. Well,
[29:35] Speaker 2: when our teacher took us out there, I was telling everybody, Hey, man,
[29:39] Speaker 2: I worked there on the summer in the summer. Man
[29:42] Speaker 2: who was telling everybody? And Uh, I never dreamed that
[29:45] Speaker 2: I was going to end up seeing something like that
[29:47] Speaker 2: that day. Yeah, if you get, if you get some
[29:51] Speaker 2: time when you're on your phone, google Ford Ancient. Uh,
[29:56] Speaker 2: it's it's in Ohio, Lebanon, Ohio. I guess it would
[30:00] Speaker 2: be Levanon and Morgan's Canoe Livery. I don't know the
[30:07] Speaker 2: name of the park or the girl's camp. I think
[30:11] Speaker 2: it's a girl Scouts camp now or something. But when
[30:16] Speaker 2: you go through the gate, it's a long winding road.
[30:20] Speaker 2: It takes you way out in the woods. I mean
[30:23] Speaker 2: it's like five miles on this winding road and finally
[30:27] Speaker 2: it comes to this big open clearing where we were
[30:30] Speaker 2: building all this camp stuff. And when I took a
[30:35] Speaker 2: walk out in the woods. It was nothing but forest
[30:38] Speaker 2: for miles, I'm sure, but I don't know. Like I said,
[30:47] Speaker 2: I just I wish I could go there and take somebody.
[30:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a beautiful place. And from the
[30:54] Speaker 1: way you describe that forest around the camp there, around
[30:56] Speaker 1: forty inch in it sounds to me like it might
[30:59] Speaker 1: be an old grooth forest, is it.
[31:03] Speaker 2: Well, it's like I was saying. When I was walking
[31:07] Speaker 2: through there, back into that there, there was probably a
[31:13] Speaker 2: foot of compiled leaves after year after year after year,
[31:19] Speaker 2: and when you'd step on them, your foot would sink
[31:22] Speaker 2: down about six inches every step that you took, and
[31:27] Speaker 2: it was it would. It was starting to get harder
[31:29] Speaker 2: and harder to walk. And then when I finally seen
[31:32] Speaker 2: that big open clearing in the trees, that's when I
[31:35] Speaker 2: just stopped. Yeah, And I was, like I said, I
[31:38] Speaker 2: was definitely not walking down that hill. I just think
[31:41] Speaker 2: I for some reason took a walk, you know, like
[31:45] Speaker 2: I said, I was bored, and I just so happened
[31:49] Speaker 2: to go to a place where they were at laying
[31:53] Speaker 2: down taking naps or whatever, or sleeping or where, and
[31:57] Speaker 2: I woke them up, and.
[32:02] Speaker 1: I don't know, it was clearly a frightening experience, Mike,
[32:06] Speaker 1: But looking back on it, do you're almost worried as
[32:09] Speaker 1: a badge of honor? And are you glad you had
[32:12] Speaker 1: that experience? Now? Again, I know it was frightening to
[32:15] Speaker 1: be in that situation when it was all going down,
[32:18] Speaker 1: But looking back, how do you see it now?
[32:22] Speaker 2: Well, it's like I said, it was a long time ago,
[32:26] Speaker 2: but I wouldn't change it a bit. I'm glad I
[32:32] Speaker 2: got to see it, and I know it's there. I
[32:36] Speaker 2: know it's alive. Or maybe not that one, but there
[32:41] Speaker 2: are some that's out there and they're they're alive, and
[32:44] Speaker 2: they're running around and avoiding us. That's why I say.
[32:52] Speaker 2: It's just like I just so happened to be there
[32:58] Speaker 2: that day. I could have stayed up there, you know,
[33:02] Speaker 2: and with the other guys and stuff, but I just
[33:05] Speaker 2: I don't know, I just took that walk.
[33:07] Speaker 1: And you wound up being at the right place at
[33:09] Speaker 1: the right time, or, as you may look at it,
[33:12] Speaker 1: at the wrong place at the wrong time.
[33:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, either way. But like you asked me, you know,
[33:20] Speaker 2: am I glad that I did it? Yeah, I'm glad
[33:22] Speaker 2: I saw it. I'm glad that I know and now
[33:27] Speaker 2: that all these TV shows are on TV. They a
[33:32] Speaker 2: lot of the people that's never seen one. They're trying
[33:34] Speaker 2: their hardest to see it. And I just got lucky
[33:37] Speaker 2: that day, you know, even though I was scared of
[33:40] Speaker 2: death that you.
[33:41] Speaker 1: Did get lucky. Yeah, you walked right into a sighting.
[33:45] Speaker 1: You were three hundred yards away from the camp when
[33:48] Speaker 1: you had that sighting. But how far were you from
[33:50] Speaker 1: the closest person at the time.
[33:56] Speaker 2: I could have yelled my head off and nobody would
[33:58] Speaker 2: ever heard anything. That's how far it was. It was.
[34:01] Speaker 2: Probably it was all the way on the other side
[34:04] Speaker 2: of the camp. When you came up the hill and
[34:08] Speaker 2: you came in the clearing the drive the road it
[34:14] Speaker 2: was just like a gravel road and then it turned
[34:18] Speaker 2: into like just a dirt road, and the bathrooms were
[34:23] Speaker 2: on way far on the left, maybe I don't know,
[34:30] Speaker 2: fifty yards to the left, and to the right was
[34:36] Speaker 2: the tree line, which was another I don't know, probably
[34:40] Speaker 2: a football field to that, and then straight ahead there
[34:46] Speaker 2: was an actual like a building that was being built,
[34:51] Speaker 2: I don't know, like it kind of looked like a
[34:55] Speaker 2: like a house really that was being built. And this
[35:00] Speaker 2: they had contractors doing that though but yeah, it was
[35:05] Speaker 2: a long ways from where I was because you know,
[35:07] Speaker 2: I didn't want to just sit in the car. And
[35:10] Speaker 2: it was it was really a beautiful day out. It
[35:13] Speaker 2: was sunny, it was probably I don't know in the seventies,
[35:18] Speaker 2: I guess about about seventy degrees, kind of a little
[35:22] Speaker 2: bit crisp out, you know, but it was just nice.
[35:28] Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day, a beautiful forest. I don't
[35:31] Speaker 1: blame you for getting out and walking around. I would
[35:34] Speaker 1: have done that too.
[35:35] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the my buddies, it was back at the back.
[35:40] Speaker 2: They were they were into like we call it the
[35:50] Speaker 2: dice stuff. I don't know what kind of game it is,
[35:52] Speaker 2: but they were just doing that, laughing and cutting up
[35:56] Speaker 2: and stuff. But I don't know, that's really all I
[36:01] Speaker 2: got about it.
[36:03] Speaker 1: Do you think the construction that was going on might
[36:05] Speaker 1: have played a role and you haven't that experience.
[36:11] Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that that was probably their stomping ground.
[36:16] Speaker 2: I'm sure they probably walked right through there before and
[36:20] Speaker 2: you know, here saw all these construction trucks and stuff
[36:23] Speaker 2: up in there doing stuff, and they probably didn't like it.
[36:28] Speaker 2: Then they saw man, it's.
[36:30] Speaker 1: Like I don't know, they thought there was one of
[36:34] Speaker 1: those heirless things in all, and he's tiny, yeah that
[36:39] Speaker 1: you were compared to some of them. The huge one
[36:43] Speaker 1: that you saw, you said was orange, just black, But
[36:46] Speaker 1: how long was the hero?
[36:47] Speaker 2: It was an orange, just brown, orange, just brown. Yeah,
[36:51] Speaker 2: there was no black in it. Yeah it was, I
[36:58] Speaker 2: don't know it was. It was more red than brown,
[37:04] Speaker 2: but it had brown mixed in it with brown disk
[37:10] Speaker 2: black eyes, and its face was just it wasn't like
[37:17] Speaker 2: a un gorilla. It didn't look like a gorilla. It
[37:21] Speaker 2: looked like I don't know. It kind of looked like
[37:27] Speaker 2: a parson a little bit the way it was shaped,
[37:30] Speaker 2: I guess, but nasty, really nasty looking. Man. I didn't
[37:38] Speaker 2: have a lot of time to really see everything. I
[37:42] Speaker 2: just noticed its eyes and how big it was, and
[37:45] Speaker 2: the collar and stuff. But that other one, I don't
[37:48] Speaker 2: know how big it was because all I saw was
[37:50] Speaker 2: from like at the top of its shoulders and its head.
[37:55] Speaker 2: It's like it rolled over from sleeping and popped its
[37:59] Speaker 2: head up and looked over the top of that hill.
[38:02] Speaker 2: And that's the one that had the blue eyes. And
[38:06] Speaker 2: I knew there was some other ones down there, it
[38:08] Speaker 2: just they never did come up. I never did see
[38:10] Speaker 2: that I was gone by then maybe the whole thing lasted. Uh,
[38:21] Speaker 2: I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes. I guess it
[38:24] Speaker 2: seemed like it was maybe a little bit longer than that,
[38:28] Speaker 2: but it wasn't.
[38:30] Speaker 1: I'll bet it felt like it went on for D's
[38:32] Speaker 1: and d's. How would you describe the shape of their heads?
[38:39] Speaker 2: Well, the big one had it was the top of
[38:43] Speaker 2: its head was I could I would say cone head,
[38:51] Speaker 2: but not it really wasn't a cone. It was just
[38:54] Speaker 2: it was shaped like the bottom of a boat or
[38:58] Speaker 2: something like that. And uh, it's uh, it's face had
[39:08] Speaker 2: fur on it, but it wasn't all fur. Like its
[39:13] Speaker 2: body and its head and its neck and all that
[39:16] Speaker 2: that was all covered in thick fur, but its face wasn't,
[39:23] Speaker 2: not completely. It did have some on it, but it
[39:25] Speaker 2: wasn't completely. And yeah, you're right, its face was black.
[39:33] Speaker 2: It was kind of like a real dark charcoal black color,
[39:37] Speaker 2: but it's fur wasn't.
[39:40] Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the Patterson Gimlin film? So what
[39:45] Speaker 1: it's called the Patterson Gimlin film. It's a film that
[39:49] Speaker 1: was shot back in nineteen sixty seven on October twentieth
[39:53] Speaker 1: of a sasquatch. She was walking across a basically creek.
[39:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, they said it was six foot tall something like that. Yeah,
[40:03] Speaker 2: they took the film and tried to change it, and man,
[40:07] Speaker 2: I was glued to that because this one was a
[40:13] Speaker 2: whole lot bigger than that, and this one I don't
[40:17] Speaker 2: think that. I think it would have turned back at him.
[40:22] Speaker 2: I don't think it would have tried to walk off
[40:25] Speaker 2: like that and try to hide. It would have confronted
[40:29] Speaker 2: those guys on them moors. Is that what you're talking about.
[40:32] Speaker 1: Yes, sir, that's the one. And yeah, upon closer examination,
[40:36] Speaker 1: a lot of people claimed that they saw a big
[40:38] Speaker 1: meal back in the trees behind that Patty subject, and
[40:42] Speaker 1: that might explain why she acted the way she did.
[40:44] Speaker 1: Maybe she was just trying to lead them away from
[40:47] Speaker 1: other sasquatch in the area. But all we can do
[40:50] Speaker 1: is guess on that we don't really know.
[40:53] Speaker 2: And they were saying that by analyzing the film that
[41:02] Speaker 2: they say that it's real because the legs actually in
[41:06] Speaker 2: the butt and all that showed real muscle, real muscles
[41:10] Speaker 2: moving as she was walking.
[41:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a lot of people over the years
[41:15] Speaker 1: who have claimed that it's a hoax. But yeah, when
[41:18] Speaker 1: you take a good look at that film. There's no
[41:20] Speaker 1: way that was hoaxed. That's the real thing.
[41:23] Speaker 2: No, they're out there. They're out there, and you know what,
[41:28] Speaker 2: there may be my opinion, uh there may be hundreds
[41:37] Speaker 2: of thousands of the mountain out there, and they may
[41:41] Speaker 2: have colonies somewhere in like big caves or something. That's
[41:46] Speaker 2: my opinion because uh, I mean there, it's not just
[41:52] Speaker 2: one sighting in one little area. It's everywhere. We're seeing
[41:56] Speaker 2: them everywhere. People are seeing them in Alaska. And I
[42:02] Speaker 2: watched that one show expedition, Bigfoot Expedition. Oh yeah, that's
[42:11] Speaker 2: one of the reasons why when I saw your thing,
[42:14] Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, you know, I need
[42:17] Speaker 2: to say my story too, because they're out there. And
[42:23] Speaker 2: one of the first shows that they had, that woman
[42:27] Speaker 2: was filming off the top of a hill and she
[42:30] Speaker 2: filmed with infra red light a whole family of them.
[42:35] Speaker 2: They were all like down underneath the trees, moving around
[42:37] Speaker 2: down there. And then that was that. They cut the
[42:40] Speaker 2: show off and that was it for the rest of
[42:41] Speaker 2: the season. Did you ever watch that show.
[42:45] Speaker 1: I've seen a few of the episodes. It's a good show.
[42:48] Speaker 1: But when you produce four podcasts. The way I do
[42:51] Speaker 1: it does cut down on them out of TV watching.
[42:54] Speaker 2: You get to do.
[42:55] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it definitely does. Would you see that
[42:59] Speaker 1: they're here was all the same length or did it
[43:02] Speaker 1: very in length? Uh?
[43:08] Speaker 2: You know the one that had the blue eyes, I
[43:10] Speaker 2: think its fur was longer. I can't swear to that.
[43:15] Speaker 2: It just it looked like it was. To me. When
[43:19] Speaker 2: I saw it, I felt like that one's more peaceful.
[43:26] Speaker 2: And then when I looked back at the big one,
[43:28] Speaker 2: I thought, man, it ain't not unpeaceful, and so I
[43:32] Speaker 2: took off. That's when I took off, just for I
[43:37] Speaker 2: had to force myself to turn around and take off,
[43:43] Speaker 2: and it just wasn't It wasn't like running a forty
[43:45] Speaker 2: yard desk. It was. And then I had to leave,
[43:49] Speaker 2: slowing me down too, slipping and sliding. But uh yeah,
[43:58] Speaker 2: I would say, Uh, the big one it's for wasn't
[44:03] Speaker 2: real real long where it hang off the elbows and
[44:06] Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. It wasn't like that. It
[44:09] Speaker 2: was just uh a little bit shorter hair, I guess.
[44:16] Speaker 2: But it man, you could just see how powerful it was.
[44:21] Speaker 2: It's neck and its shoulders and all that. It just
[44:24] Speaker 2: if you ran into it with a car. It would
[44:26] Speaker 2: destroy your car. It wouldn't be just a little dent
[44:30] Speaker 2: in the front end. It would destroy your whole car.
[44:33] Speaker 2: It would be like hitting a brick wall. Problem. It
[44:36] Speaker 2: was huge.
[44:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big boy right there. So you're probably
[44:41] Speaker 1: right now you saw that one with the blue eyes,
[44:44] Speaker 1: well enough to be able to see what color its
[44:46] Speaker 1: eyes were. I'm wondering, did have its mouth open and
[44:50] Speaker 1: if so, were you able to see its teeth?
[44:54] Speaker 2: No, I didn't see anything like that. I did see
[44:57] Speaker 2: the big one. I saw it steep and it was
[45:01] Speaker 2: uh uh. They were straight across in the front, and
[45:09] Speaker 2: I wouldn't say fangs, but uh there was like two
[45:15] Speaker 2: or three of them on each side that was longer
[45:18] Speaker 2: than the front. So it I mean if it if
[45:24] Speaker 2: it caught something and bit it or rip it right
[45:27] Speaker 2: in pieces. Probably it's its nose and stuff was kind
[45:33] Speaker 2: of extended, you know what I mean with uh, I
[45:38] Speaker 2: don't how explain it. It wasn't a flat face like
[45:43] Speaker 2: a gorilla or something. It's it's nose and stuff stuck out.
[45:48] Speaker 1: Huh. So it had a muzzle.
[45:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't real big, but you know it did
[45:54] Speaker 2: stick way out, but it yeah, Yeah, it had a muzzle.
[45:59] Speaker 1: In the muzzle from how you describe it, it was
[46:02] Speaker 1: more pronounced than a gorilla's muzzle.
[46:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't look like a gorilla. It maybe it's
[46:08] Speaker 2: nose did a little bit, but it wasn't no gorila.
[46:16] Speaker 2: Believe me, it was no gorilla.
[46:18] Speaker 1: Oh no, I believe you.
[46:21] Speaker 2: I've seen so many gorillas at the zoo. It's pathetic.
[46:23] Speaker 2: And yeah, they're massive, and they jump around and act
[46:26] Speaker 2: silly and stuff, and they would probably attack you too.
[46:30] Speaker 2: But a gorilla wouldn't have a chance. It gets this thing,
[46:35] Speaker 2: this big one, it might have a chance against one
[46:38] Speaker 2: of the other ones. I don't know. I didn't see
[46:39] Speaker 2: the other ones over the hill, but I did see
[46:42] Speaker 2: the shoulders in the head of that other with the
[46:44] Speaker 2: blue eyes, and it was probably pretty big from what
[46:50] Speaker 2: I saw, but it wasn't as big as the big one.
[46:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, that fifteen footer would wind up a gorilla in
[46:57] Speaker 1: throw it like a softball, only sixteen When you had
[47:01] Speaker 1: that sighting in that's an age where extreme experiences can
[47:05] Speaker 1: affect you for the rest of your life. How much
[47:08] Speaker 1: of an effect did that experience have on your life?
[47:10] Speaker 2: Though? Well, I told you about the religious stuff. It's
[47:15] Speaker 2: kind of made me. It's not that I don't believe
[47:18] Speaker 2: in God or anything, because God could have created that
[47:20] Speaker 2: just like you did us. But it's just changed the
[47:24] Speaker 2: way I look at things as far as that goes.
[47:28] Speaker 2: And I've always thought that maybe there's going to be
[47:35] Speaker 2: a time when they do get together and come down
[47:40] Speaker 2: in our cities and in our towns and you know,
[47:45] Speaker 2: kill a whole bunch of people before we could ever
[47:47] Speaker 2: defend ourselves, you know what I mean, Because we're cutting
[47:52] Speaker 2: down woods, we're cutting or polluting waters. And I know
[47:57] Speaker 2: they have a lot of nice land stuff to the
[48:00] Speaker 2: Roman and stuff, but still there are some places that's
[48:04] Speaker 2: probably like a burial ground to them, probably, and we've
[48:08] Speaker 2: just built right over top of it, cut all the
[48:10] Speaker 2: trees down, and put buildings on it. And I don't know.
[48:15] Speaker 2: I just always had this feeling they're gonna come down
[48:18] Speaker 2: one of these days from down owt of them hills.
[48:22] Speaker 2: But I don't know as far as affecting me. I
[48:27] Speaker 2: still have fun go to my grandkids football games and
[48:31] Speaker 2: all that, I mean, but it's always in the back
[48:36] Speaker 2: of my mind, you know what I mean.
[48:39] Speaker 1: I do know what you mean, and I'll bet it is.
[48:42] Speaker 1: Did you ever go back to forty inchen to after
[48:45] Speaker 1: you had that experience.
[48:47] Speaker 2: No. When I got out of high school, I went
[48:51] Speaker 2: to the military, so I was gone. While I was
[48:54] Speaker 2: in the military, my family split up, so they wasn't
[48:59] Speaker 2: in that area anymore. My sister went to Saint Louis,
[49:02] Speaker 2: my other sister went down to Florida. Uh, you know,
[49:07] Speaker 2: they all got married, and my mom and dad were
[49:11] Speaker 2: split apart, and I just, you know, every once in
[49:15] Speaker 2: a while, I go, I take my Harley and go
[49:17] Speaker 2: down into where that liver is, and and because I could,
[49:22] Speaker 2: I used to pull the canoes in, you know, when
[49:24] Speaker 2: they would get they'd come in and stuff, and I
[49:27] Speaker 2: just hung out down there by that that like it's
[49:30] Speaker 2: like a rocky beach where all the canoes would come in.
[49:36] Speaker 2: And Uh, I'd always look over there at that that gate, like,
[49:40] Speaker 2: you know, maybe I could just hike around that gate
[49:42] Speaker 2: and go up in there, but uh, you know, it's
[49:46] Speaker 2: private property. You get up in there and you get arrested,
[49:49] Speaker 2: so I just don't do that.
[49:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably a wise move. You never did go
[49:56] Speaker 1: around that gates and head back into that area. But
[49:59] Speaker 1: have you ever headed into the forest for the sole
[50:02] Speaker 1: purpose of trying to have another sasquatch experience.
[50:09] Speaker 2: I don't know, because you never hear anything. There was
[50:14] Speaker 2: one time, about ten years ago, there was some stuff
[50:18] Speaker 2: on Facebook about there was a bike trail that went
[50:23] Speaker 2: down through that area somewhere, and somebody saw one run
[50:27] Speaker 2: across the bike trail. And that's the only time that
[50:30] Speaker 2: I've ever heard of any sightings or anything. And I
[50:35] Speaker 2: just think that they they've got a way of staying
[50:38] Speaker 2: to their self, and they don't want us to see them.
[50:42] Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe they were surprised when I saw.
[50:48] Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I wouldn't go up in
[50:51] Speaker 2: there unless I could contact somebody and ask if I
[50:54] Speaker 2: could go in there.
[50:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good idea. Like you said, if
[50:58] Speaker 1: you go on there un announced, you get arrested.
[51:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:02] Speaker 1: Something you said when you described how they looked, it'd
[51:06] Speaker 1: sent up some flags. I want to ask you about
[51:08] Speaker 1: to get more clarity. When you said that you noticed
[51:11] Speaker 1: a muzzle, not a pronounced muzzle, but you said that
[51:14] Speaker 1: they did have some kind of a muzzle on their faces.
[51:17] Speaker 1: That makes me wonder did you ever see their fingertips
[51:21] Speaker 1: to see if they had fingernails or claws.
[51:25] Speaker 2: That big one I've seen that. I turned around looked
[51:29] Speaker 2: at him when he was coming after me, and like
[51:32] Speaker 2: I said, his hands were they could grab a beach
[51:36] Speaker 2: ball and its hands would go halfway around a big
[51:39] Speaker 2: beach ball. It was just huge. And I really can't
[51:42] Speaker 2: tell you if it had calls or not. They seemed
[51:48] Speaker 2: to be kuh big and round what I kind of remember,
[51:55] Speaker 2: just big and strong. I don't know if it had
[51:58] Speaker 2: calls or not. That was I wasn't there long enough,
[52:03] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. If I could have stood
[52:05] Speaker 2: there and just stared at it for a while. But
[52:09] Speaker 2: I noticed certain things and then I was out there.
[52:13] Speaker 2: It was enough for me to take off.
[52:16] Speaker 1: Oh, I don't blame him. I understand. The reason why
[52:19] Speaker 1: I asked if he had claws or not is or
[52:23] Speaker 1: if they had claws or not, is because there are
[52:26] Speaker 1: things out there in the forests that are called gugway
[52:29] Speaker 1: that look kind of like a sasquatch, but instead of
[52:33] Speaker 1: having a flatter face where sasquatch normally have gugway, they've
[52:38] Speaker 1: got somewhat of a muzzle. And they also have claws
[52:41] Speaker 1: on their fingertips instead of fingernails, so that's why I
[52:44] Speaker 1: was asking that about his hands, to try to get
[52:47] Speaker 1: some clarity on maybe these guys were actually Gugway instead
[52:51] Speaker 1: of Sasquatch. But the way they behave though, that doesn't
[52:55] Speaker 1: necessarily fit all that well for them being Gugway, because
[52:58] Speaker 1: Gugway they tend to be pretty nasty and aggressive. And
[53:03] Speaker 1: when I think how you were treated that day, Yeah,
[53:05] Speaker 1: the one came after you, the one chased you, but
[53:08] Speaker 1: it could have caught you, but it didn't. So when
[53:11] Speaker 1: I look at how you were treated that day, that
[53:14] Speaker 1: fits a lot more for them being Sasquatch and you
[53:16] Speaker 1: were just being messed with than them being Gugway.
[53:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, well it could have been too that I'm sure
[53:25] Speaker 2: I think could hear a lot better than me, and
[53:28] Speaker 2: maybe it heard all them noises from all them machines
[53:31] Speaker 2: and saws and all that, and it was hazardan to
[53:34] Speaker 2: get too close to that edge of them trees, you know,
[53:38] Speaker 2: and it just stopped, like I ain't going out there,
[53:43] Speaker 2: I ain't getting out that clearing that type of thing.
[53:46] Speaker 1: Well, like we talked about before, if he wanted to
[53:49] Speaker 1: get you, he could have caught you along before you
[53:51] Speaker 1: hit the edge of the tree line. But thank goodness
[53:54] Speaker 1: for that.
[53:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have jumped to two times and been
[54:01] Speaker 2: on top of me, beating me it up or grabbing
[54:03] Speaker 2: me and squishing me or whatever. I mean, that's just
[54:05] Speaker 2: how powerful and fast it was. That's why I just
[54:10] Speaker 2: always have felt that, well they ain't that the ain't
[54:15] Speaker 2: like these people are acting on these shows like, oh,
[54:18] Speaker 2: we gotta be careful, it'll kill you. I just that day, Yeah,
[54:23] Speaker 2: I was scared. But when I turned around that last
[54:27] Speaker 2: time and saw him stop, it just looked like, Uh,
[54:35] Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how to I don't know
[54:37] Speaker 2: how to explain it. Maybe not that he needed help,
[54:41] Speaker 2: but maybe uh, I don't know. I really don't know.
[54:49] Speaker 2: That is kind of puzzling to me. Why it didn't
[54:52] Speaker 2: kill me.
[54:53] Speaker 1: Well, they don't do anything without having a reason for it.
[54:57] Speaker 1: Apparently they didn't have any reason to kill you. It's
[54:59] Speaker 1: hard to understand why they would have had a reason
[55:01] Speaker 1: to kill you. You just stumbled across them, and I
[55:05] Speaker 1: think they just wanted to run you out of the area.
[55:07] Speaker 1: And it's no more complicated than that.
[55:10] Speaker 2: Yeah, that that could be. That could be. I never
[55:14] Speaker 2: thought about that part of it, that maybe they just
[55:16] Speaker 2: wanted me out of away from But why would it
[55:20] Speaker 2: why it knew I was desperately trying to get out
[55:23] Speaker 2: of there. I just don't understand why it would have
[55:25] Speaker 2: been chased me at all and jumped over that that
[55:29] Speaker 2: ravine like that. You know what, When that thing jumped
[55:35] Speaker 2: like that, that's amazing. There's no human being in the
[55:39] Speaker 2: world could ever even come close to it. It had
[55:44] Speaker 2: to have its legs, had to be ah, just like
[55:53] Speaker 2: I don't know. It just really really powerful to be
[55:56] Speaker 2: able to do that. The whole the whole thing had
[55:59] Speaker 2: to be powerful to jump that far.
[56:01] Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, they do so many things that just
[56:04] Speaker 1: if I believe they do it all the time too. Well, Mike,
[56:09] Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for coming on and share
[56:11] Speaker 1: the details of that experience with us. I really appreciate it.
[56:14] Speaker 1: Then if I can never help you out in the future,
[56:17] Speaker 1: please let me know.
[56:18] Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I want to thank you for letting me
[56:21] Speaker 2: tell my story. It does make me feel better to
[56:24] Speaker 2: be able to talk about it a little bit.
[56:26] Speaker 1: You're welcome. It's great to give you a platform where
[56:29] Speaker 1: you can do that.
[56:31] Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
[56:32] Speaker 1: Well, that goes two ways. Thanks again so much for
[56:35] Speaker 1: your time, and have a great night. That's it for
[56:45] Speaker 1: another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If
[56:49] Speaker 1: you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to be
[56:52] Speaker 1: a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness
[56:55] Speaker 1: dot com and submit a report.
[56:57] Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have
[57:02] Speaker 2: a great night.

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