# Be Home Before Dark or the Wooley Booger Will Get You! - Bigfoot Eyewitness Episode 470

An episode of [Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1176349237), 10 May 2025, 46 min.

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When tonight’s guest, Jimmy Toungate, had his first Sasquatch-related experience, in Mount Baker, Washington, he was lying in a rooftop tent, on the roof of his Toyota 4Runner. You see, he had been overlanding, at the time, and was about 30 miles from the nearest paved road. Around 12:30 that night, Jimmy was jarred awake by the sound of bipedal footsteps that were approaching his rig. After hearing those footsteps, he sat up and listened... If you’ve had a Sasquatch experience, in the Pacific Northwest that you’d like to share with Jimmy (with The Pacific Northwest Sasquatch Research Group), please go to… https://www.facebook.com/offroad.x.files/ or https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1CcLVdcqBx/ If you’d rather send Jimmy and email, please send your message to offroad.x.files@gmail.com If you’ve had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to BigfootEyewitness.com and let me know. If you’d like to help support the show, by buying your own Bigfoot Eyewitness t-shirt or sweatshirt, please visit the Bigfoot Eyewitness Show Store, by going to https://Dogman-Encounters.MyShopify.com I produce 3 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 3 channels on the Spreaker App... My Bigfoot Sighting https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-bigfoot-sighting Dogman Encounters https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 My Paranormal Experience https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience Thanks, as always, for listening!

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: If you've had a big foot sighting it, I would
[0:02] Speaker 1: like to be a guest. Please go to bigfootwitness dot
[0:05] Speaker 1: com and let me know Hi.
[0:08] Speaker 2: My name is Jimmy Toungate and I live in the
[0:11] Speaker 2: area of Seattle, Washington. I moved here about twenty four
[0:16] Speaker 2: years ago and I'm now fifty nine. I moved up
[0:21] Speaker 2: here to fish in Alaska and kind of rebuild my
[0:25] Speaker 2: life and ended up working at a major corporation where
[0:30] Speaker 2: I specialize in online fraud for e commerce. So that's
[0:36] Speaker 2: kind of what I do for a living is fraud investigations.
[0:40] Speaker 2: In my spare time, I'm really into photography overlanding. I
[0:46] Speaker 2: run an overlanding group and belonged to multiple others love
[0:51] Speaker 2: to get out and explore the beautiful Pacific Northwest. So
[0:56] Speaker 2: I was out overlanding with a group of friends out
[1:00] Speaker 2: in the area of Mount Baker here in Washington, and
[1:04] Speaker 2: we spent the whole day exploring every dirt road we
[1:08] Speaker 2: could find, and we had planned on camping there. So
[1:14] Speaker 2: we found an area. I won't say exactly where it is,
[1:18] Speaker 2: but it is a kind of a high level snow
[1:22] Speaker 2: parking lot for when there's snow. It's pretty big wide open.
[1:28] Speaker 2: It was a beautiful day, sunshine, no rain, not really
[1:33] Speaker 2: any clouds in the sky. This happened It was June tenth,
[1:39] Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, so we're just kind of phasing our
[1:43] Speaker 2: way into summer. The bugs are just starting to come out,
[1:48] Speaker 2: and the weather's just glorious. So we had a really
[1:51] Speaker 2: great day out on the trails. Everything was really dusty
[1:56] Speaker 2: from all the dirt roads, and we got the camp
[1:59] Speaker 2: probably a three four o'clock in the afternoon and started
[2:04] Speaker 2: getting everything set up. I have a Toyota four Runner
[2:09] Speaker 2: and had just gotten a rooftop tent for it, so
[2:12] Speaker 2: I was really excited to use it. And it also
[2:15] Speaker 2: has an annex and that I put on it that
[2:18] Speaker 2: would zip into the bottom that'll come into play later.
[2:22] Speaker 2: So I start getting my tent set up and it's
[2:26] Speaker 2: like the first time I've done it. So I'm trying
[2:29] Speaker 2: to figure out how to get everything done, get the
[2:32] Speaker 2: tent all set up, get the annex zipped into it.
[2:36] Speaker 2: So the annex, like I said, it zipped into the
[2:38] Speaker 2: bottom of the rooftop tent. It goes around the ladder
[2:42] Speaker 2: that you would climb up into the rooftop tent on.
[2:45] Speaker 2: So it's kind of a protected safe space where you
[2:49] Speaker 2: can change clothes or whatever without anybody seeing you. And
[2:54] Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty spiffy. So I get it
[2:58] Speaker 2: all set up and we have supper. We cooked. I
[3:02] Speaker 2: remember I cooked steak in mushrooms and other people were
[3:05] Speaker 2: cooking steak. There was a total of seven of us there,
[3:09] Speaker 2: and we were pretty spread out around this big gravel circle.
[3:14] Speaker 2: The closest person to me was probably a good thirty
[3:18] Speaker 2: or forty feet away, so I was kind of, you know,
[3:21] Speaker 2: by myself a little bit. And we had a good supper,
[3:25] Speaker 2: had a few beers set around the campfire, told ghost
[3:30] Speaker 2: stories stuff like that, and I went to bed about
[3:36] Speaker 2: ten o'clock, which is kind of normally about the time
[3:40] Speaker 2: I go to sleep. So I climb up in my
[3:45] Speaker 2: rooftop tent and everything zipped up, I have a fan
[3:49] Speaker 2: going and go to sleep. So mind you, we're probably
[3:57] Speaker 2: thirty miles down a gravel road away from the close
[4:00] Speaker 2: this paved road, and it's really dark out there. There's
[4:03] Speaker 2: no cities nearby, so up in that tent it has
[4:10] Speaker 2: a special lining to out block out the light too.
[4:13] Speaker 2: It is so dark I could put my hand right
[4:16] Speaker 2: in front of my face and I could not see
[4:17] Speaker 2: my hand, so that kind of adds a little bit
[4:21] Speaker 2: of texture to what happened. So what happened is about
[4:26] Speaker 2: twelve thirty at night. I know because I looked at
[4:29] Speaker 2: my watch. I heard something moving around my vehicle and
[4:35] Speaker 2: I laid there was enough, It was a lot enough
[4:37] Speaker 2: to wake me up, and I lay there and I'm
[4:39] Speaker 2: trying to puzzle through my mind. Okay, what is this
[4:42] Speaker 2: I'm assessing? Is this danger? Do I need to be concerned?
[4:48] Speaker 2: And what I hear is if I could have you
[4:52] Speaker 2: imagine for a moment, you're sitting in a vehicle on
[4:56] Speaker 2: a gravel road at a stop and you turn your
[5:00] Speaker 2: you turn the well, and your tires turn into that
[5:02] Speaker 2: crunch that deep. That's what I was hearing walking around
[5:07] Speaker 2: my rig. And it started from kind of the left side,
[5:13] Speaker 2: which it kind of goes downhill from where I was
[5:16] Speaker 2: into the forest. So I'm probably about ten fifteen feet
[5:20] Speaker 2: from the tree line. So the sound starts coming from
[5:25] Speaker 2: there and it starts moving around my rig, and I
[5:29] Speaker 2: guess where I heard it was when it first started
[5:32] Speaker 2: walking on the gravel, So I hear it go around
[5:36] Speaker 2: the front, and at this point I'm setting up, and
[5:41] Speaker 2: I'm listening very intently, and I keep hearing these big
[5:46] Speaker 2: steps moving around my vehicle until it gets to the
[5:49] Speaker 2: passenger side where the annex is. And I really think
[5:55] Speaker 2: that why I was maybe the target for what happened
[6:00] Speaker 2: is because of the rooftop tent and the annex. I
[6:03] Speaker 2: think that Bigfoot or Sasquatch is very curious and they're
[6:08] Speaker 2: very intelligent, and I think maybe it had never seen
[6:12] Speaker 2: a rooftop tent on a vehicle before, or an anex
[6:15] Speaker 2: attached to it, and I think that's why it came
[6:17] Speaker 2: over to me. But I could hear, so I'm also
[6:22] Speaker 2: going to ask you to kind of use your imagination
[6:24] Speaker 2: again as I'm kind of going as I'm living through
[6:27] Speaker 2: this experience where you've never seen something before, but you're
[6:31] Speaker 2: curious about it and you want to touch it. Well,
[6:34] Speaker 2: that's exactly what this thing did. I hear it. I'm
[6:38] Speaker 2: now at the entrance to the rooftop tent kind of
[6:42] Speaker 2: looking down into where the anex is, and the annex
[6:47] Speaker 2: is probably a good eight feet by eight feet, so
[6:52] Speaker 2: it's pretty open, but I still can't see anything. It's
[6:56] Speaker 2: very dark. I can just hear, and I hear something,
[6:59] Speaker 2: get the eyebric of the tent. Sorry uh, kind of
[7:04] Speaker 2: reliving this and stretch it like it wanted to fill
[7:08] Speaker 2: what it was, and I could hear the zippers jiggling,
[7:12] Speaker 2: and at this point I'm about to lose my mind,
[7:15] Speaker 2: and I don't remember if I made a sound or whatever,
[7:21] Speaker 2: but it quickly went away. So the next morning, I
[7:27] Speaker 2: get up as soon as it's light, and I go
[7:30] Speaker 2: down and I start walking around my rig trying to
[7:35] Speaker 2: figure out, you know, are there any footprint or anything.
[7:37] Speaker 2: But unfortunately it was gravel, so I didn't see anything.
[7:42] Speaker 2: On the driver's side of my Forerunner, I had an
[7:47] Speaker 2: eight y eight awning that was pulled out that was
[7:50] Speaker 2: on two legs, and on that awning, I had a
[7:54] Speaker 2: camp organizer that I could put you know whatever in,
[7:58] Speaker 2: and in the bottom of that organizer was tent stakes
[8:01] Speaker 2: to hold it down so it would be waited so
[8:03] Speaker 2: if it was a windy day, it wouldn't blowl around.
[8:07] Speaker 2: And I look and see, oh, well, that organizer's not there,
[8:11] Speaker 2: and then I start rationalizing in my mind, well, I
[8:14] Speaker 2: bet it's a campwriter and it was just a person
[8:17] Speaker 2: and they came in and they stole that. So the
[8:20] Speaker 2: next thing I do is I walk over to my
[8:22] Speaker 2: friends who are up, and I start asking them, you know,
[8:26] Speaker 2: did anything where it happened last night around twelve thirty?
[8:29] Speaker 2: Did you hear anything? Did you see anything where you're
[8:33] Speaker 2: around my rig? And eventually I got to everybody once
[8:37] Speaker 2: they woke up, and everybody said, no, we weren't around
[8:40] Speaker 2: your rig at twelve thirty. We didn't see anything, didn't
[8:43] Speaker 2: hear anything. I kind of had some recent conversations with
[8:47] Speaker 2: some of them that I'm still in touch with, just
[8:49] Speaker 2: to kind of refresh that, you know, do you remember
[8:52] Speaker 2: this happening? Did you hear anything? Did you see anything?
[8:56] Speaker 2: And I guess it was just me. So I'm kind
[9:01] Speaker 2: of over about maybe fifty sixty yards away at where
[9:07] Speaker 2: we had the campfire and we were going to make breakfast,
[9:12] Speaker 2: and that area is kind of a little bit elevated,
[9:15] Speaker 2: and I happened to look over at my rig and
[9:17] Speaker 2: I realized the organizer's there. It's on top of the
[9:21] Speaker 2: awning and it's laid out flat. So I go over
[9:26] Speaker 2: there and I'm looking and mind you, this is like
[9:30] Speaker 2: eight feet up in the air. So I have to
[9:33] Speaker 2: get a step stool and get up there and I
[9:36] Speaker 2: pull it down, and my friends were kind of laughing
[9:39] Speaker 2: at me because I'm trying to recreate it. I'm trying
[9:41] Speaker 2: to pitch it up there, like if the wind had
[9:43] Speaker 2: wanted or something, and it would only go like a foot,
[9:47] Speaker 2: maybe a foot and a half into the edge of
[9:50] Speaker 2: the awning. And so I never could replicate it, and
[9:53] Speaker 2: I still to this day, I can't explain it. I
[9:57] Speaker 2: can't say with any certainty that it was a sasquatch,
[10:01] Speaker 2: but I believe that it was because of the sound
[10:04] Speaker 2: that it made the curiosity. If it was a human,
[10:08] Speaker 2: they would have tried to get in the tent or something.
[10:10] Speaker 2: And then there was kind of the trickster aspect of it,
[10:14] Speaker 2: where I think they must have had a chuckle or
[10:17] Speaker 2: something when they put the organizer up there, thinking I'm
[10:20] Speaker 2: going to have a little bit of fun with this human.
[10:25] Speaker 2: And you know, still to this day it gets me.
[10:27] Speaker 2: But that was my experience at Mount Baker last year.
[10:33] Speaker 2: On November tenth, I'd been camping over on the east
[10:38] Speaker 2: side of the Cascades in Crescent Bar, Washington, and I
[10:43] Speaker 2: was coming back home. It was kind of a little
[10:46] Speaker 2: bit of a rainy day. I'd gone over the over
[10:50] Speaker 2: Snowwalmbie Pass coming back down the pass into the western
[10:56] Speaker 2: side of Washington. And I'm not sure why, but I'm
[11:00] Speaker 2: always fascinated by rivers. So whenever I drive by a river,
[11:04] Speaker 2: I always look to see, you know, what's the water condition,
[11:08] Speaker 2: how high is it? Can I see river rock? And
[11:11] Speaker 2: so I actually positioned myself in the right hand lane
[11:16] Speaker 2: coming down and I'm on I ninety west headed towards Seattle.
[11:21] Speaker 2: But I'm getting to the area of North Bend, Washington.
[11:26] Speaker 2: And so the first river that you cross before you
[11:30] Speaker 2: get to North Bend is the south fork of the
[11:33] Speaker 2: Snoqualmie River. And I'm like always particularly interested in this
[11:38] Speaker 2: river because there's usually a lot of river rock. And
[11:41] Speaker 2: so I'm going about seventy miles an hour. It's light rain,
[11:45] Speaker 2: approximately one o'clock in the afternoon, and I look over
[11:50] Speaker 2: at the river as I'm driving by, and my mind
[11:55] Speaker 2: just kind of locked up for a second because I
[11:58] Speaker 2: saw something that shouldn't be there. And I saw it
[12:03] Speaker 2: for maybe a total of two or three seconds. So
[12:08] Speaker 2: I'll describe what it was that I saw standing there
[12:11] Speaker 2: that shouldn't be there. It appeared to be a sasquatch
[12:18] Speaker 2: that was over eight feet tall. I was looking at
[12:22] Speaker 2: it from behind. It was facing away from me, and
[12:25] Speaker 2: it was kind of looking across the road. There's some
[12:31] Speaker 2: stuff on the other side. I'm not sure exactly what
[12:34] Speaker 2: it was looking at. It's just kind of an assumption,
[12:36] Speaker 2: but it wasn't looking at at the highway. I was
[12:40] Speaker 2: stunned because this is like maybe seventy five yards off
[12:45] Speaker 2: of the highway that I see the sasquatch just standing there.
[12:51] Speaker 2: So it was kind of dark red brown, kind of
[12:56] Speaker 2: a cinnamon color. Over eight feet tall. I mean, even
[13:01] Speaker 2: at that distance it was it was humongous. I could
[13:05] Speaker 2: see the hair hanging off of the arm. It was
[13:08] Speaker 2: kind of long and stringy, but it didn't appear to
[13:11] Speaker 2: be like unkept. It wasn't all matted. I could see
[13:17] Speaker 2: the top of the head all the way down to
[13:21] Speaker 2: their feet and just this girth. It had to have
[13:27] Speaker 2: been four feet or wider at the shoulders, and it
[13:30] Speaker 2: kind of tapered down to the hips a little bit.
[13:34] Speaker 2: Kind of looked like loo Forigno from behind, but way
[13:38] Speaker 2: way taller. The head was large, but there was no neck,
[13:46] Speaker 2: so I almost thought for a minute it was a
[13:47] Speaker 2: member of my family, because we don't have much of
[13:49] Speaker 2: a neck much of a neck either, but it didn't
[13:53] Speaker 2: have a neck, and it just kind of the head
[13:56] Speaker 2: tapered into the shoulders and then you had these humongous
[14:00] Speaker 2: and then kind of working its way down. I could
[14:03] Speaker 2: just see this dark red hair all the way down.
[14:08] Speaker 2: The arms were hanging at its side, both of them,
[14:13] Speaker 2: so I could see both of them all the way
[14:15] Speaker 2: down to the end of the hand. They extended down
[14:18] Speaker 2: around the knee area. Once again like really bulky bodybuilder shape.
[14:25] Speaker 2: You could tell this thing, you know, like had a
[14:27] Speaker 2: lot of power. And then just that short amount of
[14:31] Speaker 2: time that I saw this creature standing there, I was
[14:36] Speaker 2: just completely mind blown that, like I had always believed
[14:40] Speaker 2: growing up, when I was a kid in Central Texas,
[14:44] Speaker 2: my parents would you know, we were free range kids
[14:47] Speaker 2: back then. You'd go out in the morning as as
[14:49] Speaker 2: it was light, and you'd come home when it was dark.
[14:52] Speaker 2: But they would always tell me a little Jimmy, make
[14:54] Speaker 2: sure that you're home by darker. The Willie Burger will
[14:56] Speaker 2: get you. And in my hometown, round Rock Tech says
[15:00] Speaker 2: there's a hairy Man Road. So it's not just Washington,
[15:04] Speaker 2: it's like you know, also, Central Texas has a lot
[15:06] Speaker 2: of history with Bigfoot, so I've like always believed that
[15:12] Speaker 2: they were around, and I even believed that what happened
[15:16] Speaker 2: to me at Mount Baker was a sas Squatch. I
[15:20] Speaker 2: just couldn't say for sure because I didn't see it.
[15:23] Speaker 2: But then driving down I ninety west, I saw one,
[15:26] Speaker 2: and for me, that changed everything. My whole world kind
[15:30] Speaker 2: of changed that day, and I developed this burning desire
[15:36] Speaker 2: to try to find out what it is. So I
[15:39] Speaker 2: think there's kind of two kinds of people. There's the
[15:43] Speaker 2: people that want to forget about it or deny it,
[15:46] Speaker 2: and then there's the people that want to find out.
[15:48] Speaker 2: And I guess I'm the guy that wants to find out.
[15:51] Speaker 2: So I started going to conferences, meeting people, started networking,
[15:58] Speaker 2: and I met the host of squatch Fest and Kelso Washington,
[16:04] Speaker 2: Craig Johnny, and we kind of became friends. And I
[16:08] Speaker 2: joined the Pacific Northwest Sasquatch Research Group and started going
[16:13] Speaker 2: out in build investigations in the North Cascades north of Derrington,
[16:18] Speaker 2: and about a month ago I was camping dispersed camping
[16:24] Speaker 2: out in that area, which, by the way, I just
[16:30] Speaker 2: found out recently a friend who is also a researcher
[16:34] Speaker 2: told me they had met with some folks at the
[16:38] Speaker 2: Fish and Wildlife Department for Washington State at some kind
[16:41] Speaker 2: of event, and I asked them, where do you get
[16:43] Speaker 2: the most reports from? And one of the state campgrounds
[16:48] Speaker 2: that's in the heart of my research area is that
[16:51] Speaker 2: one place. So I have like a lot of hopes
[16:54] Speaker 2: to get more evidence. But back to my story. So
[17:00] Speaker 2: I'm out dispersed camping where twenty five miles away from
[17:06] Speaker 2: the nearest highway. Ten miles of that is paved and
[17:10] Speaker 2: then the rest is all gravel. The closest campground to
[17:13] Speaker 2: where I was was two miles away, and it's that
[17:17] Speaker 2: one campground, and then there's some dispersed campgrounds to the
[17:21] Speaker 2: east into the west, but they're a mile or more away.
[17:27] Speaker 2: So I'm out there with my buddy. We just kind
[17:32] Speaker 2: of hung out, had a good time, went to bed
[17:35] Speaker 2: like normal. I didn't hear anything, didn't see anything, but
[17:40] Speaker 2: about thirty five minutes after I went to sleep, I
[17:46] Speaker 2: was running a recorder, by the way, and have about
[17:49] Speaker 2: over ten hours of recording from that one night, and
[17:52] Speaker 2: after listening to it when I got back home from camping,
[17:57] Speaker 2: I discovered that about thirty five minutes after I went
[18:01] Speaker 2: to sleep that there was a series of tree knocks.
[18:06] Speaker 2: So I'm going to play that audio for you now,
[18:26] Speaker 2: m hm hm okay. So I listened to that with
[19:24] Speaker 2: headphones and a w audition, and I was kind of
[19:28] Speaker 2: shocked that what I was hearing because to me, what
[19:33] Speaker 2: I hear is a series of knocks that start further
[19:36] Speaker 2: off and work, they work their way towards our campsite,
[19:42] Speaker 2: and it culminates with a very loud bang. Now that
[19:44] Speaker 2: did wake me up, but not fully, but it was
[19:48] Speaker 2: loud enough that I became aware and was like trying
[19:52] Speaker 2: to assess very quickly, is it something I need to
[19:54] Speaker 2: be concerned about? And it wasn't. I didn't think, so
[19:58] Speaker 2: I went back to sleep. But I do remember that occurring.
[20:03] Speaker 2: That last bang is kind of a real unknown for
[20:07] Speaker 2: me because it sounds metallic. Now, we did go out
[20:12] Speaker 2: this last week and inspect my forerunner and found a
[20:15] Speaker 2: new dent in it. I don't know if maybe it
[20:18] Speaker 2: was a rock that was thrown that could be a
[20:20] Speaker 2: possible explanation, but I did send the audio off to
[20:24] Speaker 2: the Olympic Project for them to review and try to
[20:27] Speaker 2: make a determination on it.
[20:30] Speaker 1: Have you spoken with anyone who submitted evidence to them
[20:33] Speaker 1: before about how it went and if so, how did
[20:38] Speaker 1: it go.
[20:40] Speaker 2: So I met David Ellis, who I sent the audio
[20:45] Speaker 2: file to last year in Ocean Shorts at a Sasquatch conference,
[20:53] Speaker 2: the Sasquatch Summit at Quinault Resort, and he had a
[20:57] Speaker 2: lot of files that he had played and is part
[21:01] Speaker 2: of his presentation that people had sent him. And what
[21:06] Speaker 2: he does is he sits down and he looks at
[21:08] Speaker 2: it with a spectrum analyzer, which is kind of what
[21:10] Speaker 2: I did to but he actually knows what he's doing,
[21:14] Speaker 2: and he can analyze the sounds by their frequency and
[21:20] Speaker 2: with libraries of known sounds to try to match them off,
[21:26] Speaker 2: so he can listen and tell you, oh, that's a
[21:28] Speaker 2: bardout or that's a cougar, or like he knows all
[21:33] Speaker 2: these sounds to be able to tell you what it
[21:35] Speaker 2: is to rule things out. So I'm really interested for
[21:39] Speaker 2: him to review this audio file and see if he
[21:44] Speaker 2: can figure out exactly what it is that's going on
[21:49] Speaker 2: and try to make a determination for me. But he's
[21:53] Speaker 2: very well regarded in the area of being able to
[21:58] Speaker 2: analyze audio.
[22:00] Speaker 1: Well, that's a good group to send that evidence too.
[22:03] Speaker 1: Hopefully the results that come back or to your liking.
[22:07] Speaker 2: Well, and if they aren't at science, so we don't.
[22:12] Speaker 2: Things don't always turn out the way that we think
[22:15] Speaker 2: they will. So quick story, if you have a minute
[22:20] Speaker 2: left for this. My research buddy and I went out
[22:26] Speaker 2: to the research area and decided we were going to
[22:29] Speaker 2: deploy some apples in a game cam and try to see, like,
[22:35] Speaker 2: can we get a sas squash to take an apple
[22:37] Speaker 2: and get it on you know, get it on film.
[22:40] Speaker 2: And so we hike out to this area, get it
[22:44] Speaker 2: all set up. We put the apples on a broken
[22:47] Speaker 2: tree branches from like four feet up to eight and
[22:51] Speaker 2: a half feet or so. Game cam's about fifteen feet
[22:54] Speaker 2: away at much higher elevation, so we can see the
[22:57] Speaker 2: whole area. And then we leave it out there for
[23:00] Speaker 2: a month and I go back out there by myself,
[23:05] Speaker 2: and I'm able to find the place again and I
[23:10] Speaker 2: recognize it by the apples. And I get to the
[23:12] Speaker 2: site and there's apples left, but only at around four
[23:16] Speaker 2: or five feet. Everything that was higher was gone, and
[23:21] Speaker 2: I was kind of scratching my head trying to figure out, Okay, well,
[23:23] Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense because if it was an undrel,
[23:26] Speaker 2: you know, like a deer or an elk or something.
[23:28] Speaker 2: They would eat something around their HiPE level, and so
[23:31] Speaker 2: I would expect all those apples to be gone. So
[23:36] Speaker 2: I get the game cam back home loaded up into
[23:39] Speaker 2: my amazement. It was two ravens, and I have a
[23:43] Speaker 2: picture of one of the ravens flying off with apple
[23:46] Speaker 2: in its mouth, so I know for a fact it
[23:48] Speaker 2: was a raven that took those apples. It wasn't what
[23:51] Speaker 2: I expected or what I hoped for, but it was
[23:54] Speaker 2: the explanation, and I think that's what my hope is,
[23:57] Speaker 2: is to get the real explanation as to what happened
[24:01] Speaker 2: for the benefit of science.
[24:04] Speaker 1: Well, that's understandable. You just want to know the truth.
[24:07] Speaker 1: You just told us that story about what happened to
[24:09] Speaker 1: you and your research buddy. Do you seem to have
[24:12] Speaker 1: better luck when you go out alone or go out
[24:14] Speaker 1: with him, So.
[24:19] Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a mixture. I enjoy having company,
[24:23] Speaker 2: and especially on long drives, it can get kind of
[24:30] Speaker 2: boring when you're by yourself, and the research area is
[24:34] Speaker 2: a good two and a half hours from home, so
[24:37] Speaker 2: it's a long drive there and back, and I enjoy
[24:40] Speaker 2: hanging out with Craig a lot. So last two weeks
[24:45] Speaker 2: ago we were back out in the area and we
[24:49] Speaker 2: decided to go up on this particular mountain. He hadn't
[24:53] Speaker 2: been up there, and we wanted to see if it
[24:54] Speaker 2: would be like a good research area. And on the
[24:57] Speaker 2: way up there, so I've heard it say, like many times,
[25:01] Speaker 2: you know, you'll never find a dead cougar or a
[25:04] Speaker 2: bear because nature reclaims it so quickly. And to my
[25:09] Speaker 2: shock and amazement, we come around the corner at about
[25:12] Speaker 2: twenty five hundred feet up on the side of this
[25:14] Speaker 2: mountain on a dirt road and there's a dead cougar
[25:16] Speaker 2: in the road, and I slam on the brakes and
[25:18] Speaker 2: I back up and I'm like, that's a big cat,
[25:23] Speaker 2: and Craig goes, I think that's a juvenile cougar. So
[25:27] Speaker 2: we get out and sure enough, there's this juvenile cougar there.
[25:29] Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of weird stuff that's going on
[25:32] Speaker 2: out there. We did hear a feather up that road.
[25:37] Speaker 2: We get to the top where the trailhead is and
[25:40] Speaker 2: there was a young man parked there and kind of
[25:43] Speaker 2: looking down into the woods. And so I wasn't really
[25:46] Speaker 2: sure what he was doing at first, and we turned
[25:48] Speaker 2: around and come back and he's like, you know, making
[25:51] Speaker 2: the sign to be quiet. So I had my window
[25:54] Speaker 2: rolled down and he said, are y'all squatters? And I
[25:58] Speaker 2: said yes, and he said be really quiet. He said,
[26:01] Speaker 2: I think there's some out in the forest here. I
[26:04] Speaker 2: can hear him whooping. So I'm like, okay, So I
[26:07] Speaker 2: put it in park, get out, and I grab my
[26:10] Speaker 2: GoPro camera and I took maybe three steps and I
[26:15] Speaker 2: hear oo oo and then I hear the same thing
[26:25] Speaker 2: kind of across this canyon and then down and I'm like, going,
[26:29] Speaker 2: oh my god, it's a sasquatch? Is it a family
[26:33] Speaker 2: of sasquatch? Turns out it was a sooty grouse that
[26:40] Speaker 2: makes it sound. But for a minute there, it really
[26:43] Speaker 2: sounded to me like some kind of primate whooping out there.
[26:48] Speaker 2: It's like, you never know what you're gonna find, No,
[26:51] Speaker 2: you don't.
[26:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, that right there is one of the reasons why
[26:53] Speaker 1: I can definitely be beneficial to have someone out there
[26:56] Speaker 1: with you. So I get it, I do, yes, sir.
[27:00] Speaker 1: Before you had your first experience on Mount Baker two
[27:03] Speaker 1: years ago, what were your thoughts on the existence of sasquatch.
[27:08] Speaker 2: I really believed that they existed. I said growing up,
[27:13] Speaker 2: my parents to tell me be home before dark, and
[27:16] Speaker 2: the wooly booger will get you. That's just another name
[27:18] Speaker 2: for bigfoot or sasquatch. When I was a kid, one
[27:24] Speaker 2: of the really big things that happened was the movie
[27:26] Speaker 2: The Legend of Boggy Creek. Everybody went nuts for that,
[27:31] Speaker 2: and then you know, of course, the Patterson Gimblin film.
[27:34] Speaker 2: So I always believed that they were there. But now
[27:39] Speaker 2: I'm a knower. Since I've actually seen one. I know
[27:42] Speaker 2: that they're there, and I guess I'm not really out
[27:47] Speaker 2: to prove to anybody else that they're there, but more
[27:52] Speaker 2: to satisfy my own curiosity of what they're about. I
[27:57] Speaker 2: would love more than anything to figure out how to
[28:00] Speaker 2: communicate with them and make a discovery for science.
[28:04] Speaker 1: I guess, well, that's admirable, and you just might do
[28:08] Speaker 1: that someday. You never know, especially if you keep at it.
[28:12] Speaker 1: Is Mount Baker known as a prime place for sasquatch
[28:15] Speaker 1: encounters or not that hot of a spot.
[28:19] Speaker 2: It is, like there's a lot of places in Washington
[28:23] Speaker 2: they are considered kind of hot. Spots. Mount Baker's definitely
[28:27] Speaker 2: one of them. The research area that I'm in is one,
[28:35] Speaker 2: and then you have you know, definitely the Olympics, like
[28:38] Speaker 2: quanat Scamania County down around Mount Saint Helens, a huge
[28:44] Speaker 2: hot spot down there. But I'm very happy to live,
[28:50] Speaker 2: you know, kind of in close proximity to where I
[28:54] Speaker 2: may be able to have, you know, additional encounters.
[28:57] Speaker 1: You talk about a burden nest on the ground. I
[28:59] Speaker 1: can't think if a better please for an investigator to
[29:02] Speaker 1: live than Washington State. You could almost have a sighting
[29:05] Speaker 1: at the grocery store.
[29:09] Speaker 2: Yes, sir, he just might. You never know that people
[29:13] Speaker 2: the grocery store.
[29:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that just might happen.
[29:20] Speaker 1: When you lay in your rooftop tent. How high are
[29:22] Speaker 1: you off the ground, good question.
[29:26] Speaker 2: So the top of my forerunner is about eight feet,
[29:31] Speaker 2: so you're looking at probably eight and a half feet
[29:34] Speaker 2: or so. It's fairly high up. And because it's so
[29:38] Speaker 2: high up, it feels secure, you know, primarily away from bears.
[29:44] Speaker 2: I don't think it was stop a cougar, but and
[29:47] Speaker 2: I have wondered laying up in the rooftop ten at
[29:51] Speaker 2: night with the window unziped looking out like what I
[29:54] Speaker 2: do if I look out the window and there's a
[29:57] Speaker 2: big hairy face looking back at me, I think, you know,
[30:00] Speaker 2: after I probably messed myself. I'd say howdy and try
[30:04] Speaker 2: to communicate or something. But I think it's kind of
[30:08] Speaker 2: at the perfect height where something like that could happen.
[30:11] Speaker 2: And I've heard at least one encounter on another show
[30:16] Speaker 2: where something like that happened, where one looked into the
[30:19] Speaker 2: window of a rooftop tent.
[30:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, that is almost perfect spitting height for one of
[30:25] Speaker 1: these guys.
[30:26] Speaker 2: So, yeah, exactly.
[30:27] Speaker 1: You know, that's a good point. And I know you
[30:31] Speaker 1: said that the canopy was eight feet high, but I
[30:34] Speaker 1: didn't know for sure if that meant that the top
[30:36] Speaker 1: of your truck was as well or not. So that's
[30:39] Speaker 1: why I asked you about that.
[30:41] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about eight feet in the awning? Was it
[30:44] Speaker 2: about eight feet? But I really don't think that they're
[30:51] Speaker 2: out to HARMSS most of the stuff I've heard, they
[30:55] Speaker 2: just want you to get out of their area, or
[30:58] Speaker 2: they're really curious. So I think kind of the tact
[31:02] Speaker 2: I've been taking is going out trying to be normal,
[31:05] Speaker 2: listening to music, not making you know, tree knocks or
[31:10] Speaker 2: calls or anything like that and just try to draw
[31:13] Speaker 2: them in that way.
[31:14] Speaker 1: Think about how many Sasquatch investigators had it all the time,
[31:17] Speaker 1: and they come back every time they don't have any trouble.
[31:21] Speaker 1: These guys actually were wired to be dangerous, and that.
[31:24] Speaker 2: Definitely wouldn't be the case exactly.
[31:28] Speaker 1: That's right. You said that you were so curious about
[31:32] Speaker 1: what was walking around your truck in Innox that night
[31:34] Speaker 1: that you wanted to touch it. How close did you
[31:37] Speaker 1: actually come to looking out the door.
[31:42] Speaker 2: No, what I was saying is I believe this the
[31:46] Speaker 2: Sasquatch was curious and wanted to touch the tent. Maybe
[31:51] Speaker 2: they'd never seen an anex on a vehicle before and
[31:56] Speaker 2: they were just curious what it was. So they actually
[31:58] Speaker 2: walked up and touched it and stretched it. And I
[32:01] Speaker 2: could hear all of that happening while I'm sitting there
[32:03] Speaker 2: in the pitch dark. Oh I didn't want to touch them?
[32:07] Speaker 1: Oh I see? Okay, yeah, yeah, that would be kind
[32:10] Speaker 1: of strange to do that or to want to do that.
[32:13] Speaker 1: So why did I clarify that If the same thing happened, now,
[32:18] Speaker 1: what would you do different?
[32:22] Speaker 2: I think I'd probably if I could bring myself to
[32:26] Speaker 2: be able to do it. I would try to communicate
[32:28] Speaker 2: with them and talk to them and just let them know,
[32:32] Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, I'm not here to harm you.
[32:37] Speaker 2: I would love to see, you know, just for myself.
[32:43] Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I would be able to physically
[32:45] Speaker 2: do that, because I would probably be scared. For one,
[32:50] Speaker 2: although I'm not near as anxious when I go out
[32:54] Speaker 2: now that like, I know for sure that they're there,
[32:57] Speaker 2: and I really don't think that they're going to hurt me.
[33:00] Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what I would do. Vic, It's
[33:02] Speaker 2: a really good question. I would hope that I would
[33:04] Speaker 2: try to communicate with them.
[33:06] Speaker 1: From listening to you say, how you think you'd respawn now,
[33:10] Speaker 1: it sounds to me like there's no way you'd ever
[33:12] Speaker 1: muster the courage to actually look out. Is it accurate?
[33:19] Speaker 2: I think I might try to look out. I'm just
[33:22] Speaker 2: not sure if I would be able to get my
[33:26] Speaker 2: voice to try to communicate with them like I would
[33:28] Speaker 2: want to.
[33:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. I can understand why it'd
[33:32] Speaker 1: be pretty difficult to utter anything if you have your
[33:36] Speaker 1: eyes on something like that.
[33:38] Speaker 2: But even during the winter, I have a diesel heater
[33:41] Speaker 2: in my tent, so it gets really hot in there,
[33:43] Speaker 2: and I leave the windows partially open, so if I
[33:47] Speaker 2: hear something, I'm always looking out to see, like what
[33:50] Speaker 2: it is. It's just that particular not it was so dark,
[33:53] Speaker 2: I couldn't see anything.
[33:55] Speaker 1: Well, that might be a good thing, maybe, So yeah,
[33:59] Speaker 1: just might. When you ask those people who are camping
[34:02] Speaker 1: with you if they had heard anything and they said no,
[34:06] Speaker 1: were you more surprised or frustrated?
[34:10] Speaker 2: Kind of both? But it kind of goes back to
[34:14] Speaker 2: my theory that they were curious and their curiosity led
[34:18] Speaker 2: them to I'm sure they've seen hundreds of regular tents
[34:24] Speaker 2: and maybe they weren't interested in that. But I was
[34:28] Speaker 2: also kind of surprised that they didn't hear it because
[34:31] Speaker 2: to me, it was so loud the steps were. But
[34:36] Speaker 2: I know the folks that were camped closest to me
[34:40] Speaker 2: or both older, and so maybe they don't they sleep harder.
[34:45] Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe that could be why they didn't
[34:48] Speaker 2: hear anything. And then everybody else was pretty well away.
[34:52] Speaker 2: But I was kind of, you know, initially surprised that
[34:55] Speaker 2: nobody else saw or heard anything, But now it kind
[34:59] Speaker 2: of makes sense if you.
[35:01] Speaker 1: Think about it. Were the people who were there with
[35:03] Speaker 1: you in the immediate area. Are they the kind of
[35:06] Speaker 1: people to maybe hear something like that but say they didn't,
[35:11] Speaker 1: or are they so straight up and straightforward and honest
[35:14] Speaker 1: that you believe that they definitely didn't hear anything.
[35:19] Speaker 2: So it was just last week. I talked to the
[35:22] Speaker 2: couple that were camped closest to me, and I was
[35:28] Speaker 2: kind of him hawing around about what was going on.
[35:32] Speaker 2: I reached out by a messenger and said, you know, hey,
[35:35] Speaker 2: I'd like to talk to you about the camp out
[35:38] Speaker 2: back in June of twenty three, and they said, yeah,
[35:41] Speaker 2: we're on our way home. And then I asked if
[35:45] Speaker 2: I call them? They said yes, and I was like, yeah,
[35:48] Speaker 2: do you remember that camp out we had at Mount
[35:50] Speaker 2: Baker when we were off roading and I was just wondering,
[35:54] Speaker 2: you know, did you hear anything? Did you see anything?
[35:58] Speaker 2: And they were like no, And I said they were like,
[36:02] Speaker 2: you know, why, what's going on? Did somebody do something
[36:04] Speaker 2: to you? Did did you get hurt? Did somebody take something?
[36:09] Speaker 2: Because I guess they could hear it. I was kind
[36:10] Speaker 2: of concerned and kind of I won't say it's like PTSD,
[36:16] Speaker 2: but there's definitely an element of reliving that event and
[36:23] Speaker 2: remembering how scared I was. I could taste the adrenaline
[36:27] Speaker 2: in my mouth. I was so scared, and I vowed
[36:30] Speaker 2: that night that I would never sleep unarmed again, and
[36:34] Speaker 2: I haven't. But I think they're very straightforward people that
[36:40] Speaker 2: once I had told them and explain to them what happened,
[36:43] Speaker 2: they were like, no, we didn't hear anything. We're glad
[36:47] Speaker 2: that you're okay, but we didn't hear anything.
[36:50] Speaker 1: Well, it's good to feel that way about them, because
[36:52] Speaker 1: if they actually did hear it but told you they didn't,
[36:55] Speaker 1: that really would.
[36:56] Speaker 2: Be a shame.
[36:57] Speaker 1: It would last year when you had your side in
[37:00] Speaker 1: the Crescent Bar, do you think it might have seen
[37:03] Speaker 1: you before you saw it or vice versa.
[37:07] Speaker 2: No, So I was coming back from Crescent Bar, going
[37:10] Speaker 2: down I ninety west back towards Seattle, and it was
[37:18] Speaker 2: probably seventy five yards off of the highway down in
[37:22] Speaker 2: a river bed, standing on river rock, facing away from me.
[37:26] Speaker 2: So I don't think it saw me or anybody else.
[37:31] Speaker 2: I don't think it was concerned at all about being
[37:33] Speaker 2: seen either, which really kind of blew my mind. It
[37:37] Speaker 2: was just standing there, and it really puzzles me. My
[37:43] Speaker 2: research partner and I Craig, who spent a lot of
[37:45] Speaker 2: time talking about it, and we think that that's a
[37:48] Speaker 2: pathway that they use to move around those river beds,
[37:54] Speaker 2: and so maybe that's what it was doing. It was
[37:56] Speaker 2: moving from one area to another, and something that it
[38:00] Speaker 2: saw caught us attention, so it stopped for a minute.
[38:03] Speaker 2: Why it did that in the middle of the afternoon
[38:05] Speaker 2: at one pm, I have no idea, but I'm kind
[38:07] Speaker 2: of glad it did because I did get that chance
[38:11] Speaker 2: to see one.
[38:12] Speaker 1: Sure does make you wonder what caught its attention so
[38:15] Speaker 1: that it didn't notice you. Must have been something that
[38:18] Speaker 1: was definitely of interest. Considering the fact that they have
[38:22] Speaker 1: bodies that are obviously adapted for breaking eating through trees,
[38:26] Speaker 1: how do you think it is that they can run
[38:28] Speaker 1: so fast, swim so well, and do a lot of
[38:30] Speaker 1: these other things that they do so well that you
[38:33] Speaker 1: wouldn't expect them to be able to do considering how
[38:36] Speaker 1: their bodies are shaped.
[38:39] Speaker 2: That's a really great question. I played football back in
[38:43] Speaker 2: high school, and there were some really really big guys
[38:46] Speaker 2: that could move really really quickly and take you out
[38:50] Speaker 2: coming across the field before you even knew it. That's
[38:53] Speaker 2: why you know a lot of these offensive linemen and
[38:57] Speaker 2: defensive linemen or so adept at what they do is
[39:02] Speaker 2: because they're big, but they also have some speed behind them.
[39:06] Speaker 2: But I think for Sasquatch it kind of even goes
[39:09] Speaker 2: beyond that too. I've kind of struggled recently with So
[39:15] Speaker 2: there's kind of two camps. You have the apors you
[39:18] Speaker 2: believe it's a physical being primate of some kind relictmind,
[39:24] Speaker 2: and you have the WU which is more kind of
[39:26] Speaker 2: the phenomenon the mystical side. And I think I kind
[39:29] Speaker 2: of come somewhere about twenty five percent to kind of
[39:35] Speaker 2: the middle where I think that there's something more than
[39:40] Speaker 2: physical to them. Just because of all of the witness
[39:46] Speaker 2: reports and I've listened to many thousands of them with
[39:50] Speaker 2: different behaviors, that they have different abilities, there has to
[39:55] Speaker 2: be something we'll call them adaptions, adaptions that they've made
[40:01] Speaker 2: over you know, long periods of time where like I
[40:06] Speaker 2: believe they can see infrared, they can see extremely well
[40:11] Speaker 2: in the dark and much much better than we ever could.
[40:13] Speaker 2: So they're able to move around and navigat in the
[40:15] Speaker 2: dark without any problem. So if they're able to do that,
[40:18] Speaker 2: why couldn't they do other things like move super quietly,
[40:22] Speaker 2: have this super strength. I've seen video of them throwing
[40:28] Speaker 2: big trees. There's stories of them hurling huge rocks and boulders,
[40:34] Speaker 2: destroying heavy equipment. So I think that there's definitely that
[40:39] Speaker 2: physical aspect. But there's some adaptions that we that they
[40:43] Speaker 2: have that we don't understand yet, and I think that's
[40:47] Speaker 2: what sets them apart.
[40:49] Speaker 1: Oh sure, you there's so many things about them that
[40:52] Speaker 1: we don't understand and never will in my opinion, And
[40:55] Speaker 1: what you said that brings me to another question, which
[40:58] Speaker 1: is how do you think it is that they can
[41:00] Speaker 1: see so well both at night and during the day,
[41:03] Speaker 1: better than we can When you consider the most creatures
[41:06] Speaker 1: only specialize in being good at one.
[41:10] Speaker 2: I think it's eons of being grounded. So and by
[41:16] Speaker 2: being grounded, I mean they're out there twenty four hours
[41:19] Speaker 2: a day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty
[41:22] Speaker 2: five years in the element, and so when you're in
[41:25] Speaker 2: that situation, you have to adapt. We as humans have
[41:29] Speaker 2: adapted the wrong way. I think we have it so easy.
[41:34] Speaker 2: We can go to a grocery store and buy food,
[41:37] Speaker 2: we can have food delivered to us, not really the
[41:41] Speaker 2: case with sasquatch or bigfoot, they have to go out
[41:43] Speaker 2: and find it themselves. And so in order to be
[41:46] Speaker 2: the apex predator, you have to have adaptions that give
[41:52] Speaker 2: you those abilities. To be able to survive, to navigate
[41:56] Speaker 2: in the dark, to be able to ambush, hunt and
[41:59] Speaker 2: do things of those nature, you have to adapt over
[42:01] Speaker 2: a period of time.
[42:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good point. They don't get to
[42:05] Speaker 1: use door dash, do they know?
[42:07] Speaker 2: They don't not at all.
[42:10] Speaker 1: After you had that sighting last year, it sure sounds
[42:13] Speaker 1: to me like you really caught the sasquatch bug. And
[42:16] Speaker 1: with that in mind, did other aspects of your life
[42:19] Speaker 1: suffer as a result.
[42:23] Speaker 2: So I definitely am kind of obsessed. Some of my
[42:30] Speaker 2: friends were all their eyes when they when I start talking,
[42:34] Speaker 2: because a lot of what I have to say is,
[42:36] Speaker 2: of course about are Harry Force friends and what my
[42:41] Speaker 2: ideas about them are and beliefs and what's the latest
[42:45] Speaker 2: thing that's going on, the latest videos and things of
[42:48] Speaker 2: that nature. So it's definitely changed my life. It's given
[42:54] Speaker 2: me kind of a different purpose. In addition to my
[43:00] Speaker 2: their passions, I also have this passion, but I try
[43:03] Speaker 2: to do a good job of managing that along with
[43:06] Speaker 2: you know, the rest of my hobbies so that you know,
[43:10] Speaker 2: happy wife, happy life. So I keep my wife happy
[43:13] Speaker 2: and I still spend good quality time with my family,
[43:17] Speaker 2: but I'm also able to get out there and pursue
[43:19] Speaker 2: my ambitions.
[43:20] Speaker 1: Sounds like you have a really good balance there. That's good.
[43:24] Speaker 2: I'm trying.
[43:26] Speaker 1: No, it sounds to you like you're doing Do you
[43:29] Speaker 1: investigate sightings across the whole of the Pacific Northwest or
[43:33] Speaker 1: only ones that happened close to you in Washington State.
[43:37] Speaker 2: So I am willing to go everywhere in the Pacific Northwest, Oregon, Washington,
[43:46] Speaker 2: maybe even Idaho, definitely eastern Washington. There was a kind
[43:53] Speaker 2: of a viral video that came out in the last
[43:56] Speaker 2: two weeks with something that happened down in Oregon, and
[44:00] Speaker 2: I reached out to the poster of the video and
[44:02] Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, hey, I'm a research I'd love
[44:05] Speaker 2: to come down and document this with you and interview you.
[44:09] Speaker 2: And they didn't want to have anything to do with it.
[44:12] Speaker 2: But that would have been way down kind of in
[44:17] Speaker 2: the coastal forest in Oregon. It would have been like
[44:21] Speaker 2: a six hour drive. But I was willing to do that,
[44:24] Speaker 2: so definitely Washington would love to talk to people that
[44:27] Speaker 2: have had experiences or sidings and go out boots on
[44:31] Speaker 2: the ground and investigate them.
[44:35] Speaker 1: It sure sounds to me like you just take it
[44:36] Speaker 1: on a case by case basis. Okay, this person over here,
[44:40] Speaker 1: it might be an Oregon, but the distance isn't too bad,
[44:44] Speaker 1: so I can investigate that. With that in mind, if
[44:47] Speaker 1: anyone in the PNW the Pacific Northwest who's had a
[44:51] Speaker 1: sighting wance to contact you and share their experience with you,
[44:54] Speaker 1: what's the best way for them to do that.
[44:57] Speaker 2: So there's a couple different ways. One is through our
[45:00] Speaker 2: Facebook page, the Pacific Northwest Sasquatch Research Group, and then
[45:06] Speaker 2: I also have an email setup. It's off road dot
[45:10] Speaker 2: x dot files at gmail dot com. So off road
[45:14] Speaker 2: x files at gmail dot com.
[45:16] Speaker 1: Well that makes it really easy. Jimmy, I can't thank
[45:19] Speaker 1: you enough for coming on sharing the details of those
[45:21] Speaker 1: experiences with us. I really appreciate it.
[45:25] Speaker 2: Thank you, Vic, I really appreciate the opportunity to talk
[45:28] Speaker 2: about this. And you know, every time you talk about
[45:32] Speaker 2: something that happened to you that was really scary, it
[45:34] Speaker 2: makes it better every time. So thank you for that.
[45:37] Speaker 1: Oh, you know, you're welcome. It's all about exposure. But
[45:41] Speaker 1: having said that, thanks again so much of your time
[45:43] Speaker 1: and have a great night. That's it for another episode
[45:53] Speaker 1: of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff.
[45:56] Speaker 2: If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to
[45:59] Speaker 2: be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot
[46:02] Speaker 2: eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd love to
[46:05] Speaker 2: hear from you.
[46:07] Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, have a great night.

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