# 937: How to Design AI-First Products, with Marc Dupuis

An episode of [Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1163599059), 4 Nov 2025, 1 h 00 min.

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AI tools won’t eliminate but elevate data scientists, says Marc Dupuis. The CEO of fabi.ai talks to Jon Krohn about the new wave of AI-driven platforms that integrate workflows within popular work tools like Slack and email, and how building AI-first products means widening access to all ability levels. This episode is brought to you by the Gurobi, by Dell and by Intel. Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/937 Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Email natalie@superdatascience.com for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: • (09:31) Will fabi.ai outshine data science practitioners • (20:40) Resolving workflows with fabi.ai • (24:08) Creating AI agents with fabi.ai • (45:23) How to avoid ‘gaming’ targets

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