# \[REPLAY\] Being Present IS Winning | Sarah Bragg

An episode of [Minimalist Moms Podcast | Purposeful Life & Parenting Tips](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1159498258), 28 Jul 2026, 37 min.

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In this day and age, it can be difficult to truly feel present in motherhood. We have so many roles we’re juggling, schedules to manage, self-care to maintain (not to mention remembering little details - such as what to add to the grocery store list or that school pickup is early on Friday.) The question is: how do we manage presence when it feels like we’re pulled in various ways? Joining me today to talk through this topic is author, Sarah Bragg. Sarah wrote about this topic (and more) in her recent book, A Mother’s Guide to Raising Herself. Today we’ll be discussing how to cultivate presence: how can we challenge ourselves to be more present in the moment without needing to document everything on Instagram/social media? How we can be more present as mothers, wives and friends? And how we can teach our children to cultivate presence in their own lives? About Sarah | Sarah Bragg is a popular podcast host, communicator, and author. You can find her on iTunes hosting the podcast Surviving Sarah. She is also the author of A Mother’s Guide to Raising Herself: What Parenting Taught Me About Life, Faith and Myself. She is also a wife, mother of girls, and a creative entrepreneur. Sarah is a master at brewing coffee and helping others survive well right where they are. Sarah and her family reside in Tennessee. Episode Sponsors | The Minimalist Moms Podcast would not be possible without the support of weekly sponsors. Choosing brands that I believe in is important to me. I only want to recommend brands that I believe may help you in your daily life. As always, never feel pressured into buying anything. Remember: if you don't need it, it's not a good deal! Enjoy the Podcast? Post a review and share it! If you enjoyed tuning into this podcast, then do not hesitate to write a review. You can also share this with your fellow mothers so that they can be inspired to think more and do with less. Order (or review) my book, Minimalist Moms: Living & Parenting With Simplicity. You can contact me through my website, find me on Instagram, Pinterest or like The Minimalist Moms Page on Facebook. Our Sponsors: * Check out BetterHelp and use my code betterhelp.com for a great deal: https://www.betterhelp.com * Check out Cure Hydration and use my code MINIMALIST for a great deal: https://www.curehydration.com * Check out DeleteMe and use my code joindeleteme.com/MINIMALIST for a great deal: https://joindeleteme.com * Check out Wayfair: https://www.wayfair.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

## Transcript

[0:00] \[SPEAKER_01\]: I thought this was a timely episode to revisit because this season often brings a shift in your teens.
[0:05] \[SPEAKER_01\]: A summer is starting to wind down and families are preparing to head back to school.
[0:09] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's so easy to get swept up in the schedules to do less and the pressure to capture every moment instead of fully living in it.
[0:17] \[SPEAKER_01\]: This conversation with my guest Sarah Bragg from 2021 will offer you a gentle reminder that presents isn't about doing more.
[0:25] \[SPEAKER_01\]: It's about paying attention to what matters most.
[0:28] \[SPEAKER_01\]: Even if you listen to this episode in the past, it's a perfect reset for anyone wanting to head into the upcoming season with greater intention, less distraction, and most importantly, deeper connection with the people around you.
[0:40] \[SPEAKER_01\]: So with all that said, let's get into this episode episode 1-87 being present is winning with Sarah Bragg.
[0:56] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Hello and welcome to the minimalist mom's podcast.
[0:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm Diane, my mother, three living in Columbus, Ohio.
[1:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'm trying to make room in my life for what matters by getting rid of the clutter and living life with purpose.
[1:07] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I hope you'll join me on the journey to think more and do with less.
[1:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: In this day and age, it can be difficult to truly feel present in motherhood.
[1:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We have so many roles we're juggling, schedules to manage,
[1:19] \[SPEAKER_03\]: self-care to maintain not to mention remembering little details such as what to add to the grocery store list or that school pickup is early on Friday.
[1:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: How do we manage presence when it feels like we're pulled in all these various ways?
[1:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Joining me today to talk through this topic is author Sarah Bragg
[1:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Sarah wrote a book on this topic and more and her recently released book, a Mother's Guide to Raising Herself.
[1:43] \[SPEAKER_03\]: However, today we're going to really focus on how to cultivate presence.
[1:47] \[SPEAKER_03\]: How can we challenge ourselves to be more present in the moment without needing to document everything on social media?
[1:53] \[SPEAKER_03\]: How can we be more present as mothers, as wives, as friends, and how can we teach our children to cultivate presence in their own lives?
[2:01] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But before we get to the conversation, I want to encourage you to leave a rating and review if you haven't done so yet.
[2:06] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It appears as though we're about 30, I think 31, away from 600 reviews on iTunes.
[2:13] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'd really love to hit that 600 number by the end of the year, which I don't want to necessarily say that's a goal, but it is a goal.
[2:20] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So if you haven't loved a rating yet, I would so love for you to do that.
[2:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It shouldn't take more than 30 seconds.
[2:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All right.
[2:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Now for a quick story of just what's been going on with me throughout this past week.
[2:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So let's start back today's Tuesday when this is airing.
[2:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Let's start back about a week ago.
[2:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was Monday night and I had been chatting with a friend about just feeling somewhat restless.
[2:41] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's just restless in her home and restless in this community.
[2:45] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even though I love my home and I love my community, I was just like, I kind of went land at some point and
[2:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I don't know, but I doubt my husband would ever be on board with it and she's like, oh, why don't you start praying about that and why don't you start talking to him about your desires?
[3:00] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I was like, yeah, I'm going to do that.
[3:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: The next day, I'm on Facebook and a friend of mine that's a realtor post this house that I would describe as my ultimate dream house.
[3:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was a little red house and if you know me, I love little red homes.
[3:15] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I sent it to my husband and I was like, oh my gosh, I would move into this tomorrow and he message me back and said let's go look at it.
[3:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That honestly blew me away right then and there because I had no idea the heat even be willing to look.
[3:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I called up my friend.
[3:29] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We scheduled a showing for the following night.
[3:33] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We were able to make it out there.
[3:35] \[SPEAKER_03\]: My husband described the home as majestic, which I would say accurately describe this property and we both walked away saying
[3:46] \[SPEAKER_03\]: That did seem overwhelming to me because it is a little bit of a distance from Columbus.
[3:51] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I was like, okay, you know what, maybe this is our next step in life, maybe this is the next door we walk through.
[3:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Let's do this.
[3:58] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So we contacted my husband's grandma, who's a realtor, she wrote up an offer for us, and then,
[4:03] \[SPEAKER_03\]: we sat on it and we went back and forth for several hours just contemplating are we doing the right thing?
[4:10] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Is this rushed?
[4:11] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I felt like just so many doors had been opening and it felt bright but also I like I said I really love our house and it wasn't feeling like I necessarily wanted to move.
[4:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It was just the home that was so amazing and it really just felt like it was organically happening.
[4:28] \[SPEAKER_03\]: We didn't seek it out.
[4:30] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It wasn't something we thought was going to
[4:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So I think that there can be this little prompting in the back of your mind like, yeah, you got this, it's in the bag.
[4:38] \[SPEAKER_03\]: All that to say, when I found out that we didn't get the house, I was really crushed and I didn't think I would be as crushed as I was because like I said, I do love our home and their elements to our community which I adore.
[4:52] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But I had to get real with myself and say, why am I so disappointed?
[4:57] \[SPEAKER_03\]: A home doesn't make the memories.
[4:59] \[SPEAKER_03\]: It's the people in the home that make the memories.
[5:02] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And my people are here.
[5:04] \[SPEAKER_03\]: And that doesn't mean that a home can't add to your memories.
[5:08] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I would love to have chickens at that property and it would be great to have a second bathroom or for all my children to have their own rooms.
[5:16] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But we are so comfortable with what we have now and I think sometimes maybe these signs happen because they point you back to gratitude for what you do have.
[5:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: and do think timings, everything, and it just wasn't the house for us.
[5:31] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Even though our fingers are still crossed, it may be at a fall through, and we will get it.
[5:34] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But yeah, I know that this might not seem like it has to do with minimalism, but I do think it has to do with intentionality and intentional living.
[5:44] \[SPEAKER_03\]: being grateful for the things that you do have and it's okay to want more and it's okay to dream big but remaining grateful for the things that you do have and you do get to experience especially when I and I don't like to do this and maybe this will get me into trouble here but when comparing ourselves to what's going on in the rest of the world we are so fortunate.
[6:05] \[SPEAKER_03\]: it's easy to want in a culture of excess and consumerism.
[6:12] \[SPEAKER_03\]: But again, it's not necessarily the way that most of the people on this planet live.
[6:17] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So while I'm sad and I am allowing myself this time to be a little more and full, honestly, I just have to remember that timings everything.
[6:26] \[SPEAKER_03\]: My family is what makes our house amazing and the memories we make here are no
[6:32] \[SPEAKER_03\]: have no less value just because they are in a house that one would deem majestic.
[6:37] \[SPEAKER_03\]: So that's my story for you this week.
[6:39] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I hope that it helps you if you're thinking about moving, if you're feeling restless in your own home, if you're feeling like maybe you need to have these conversations with your spouse and this prompts you to have those conversations with your spouse because maybe you're a lot more on board than you think you are.
[6:55] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I'll not take any more
[7:05] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Sarah, I think so much for joining me today on the Minimal's Mom's podcast.
[7:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I am super happy to be here.
[7:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I want to know more about your story and get into your new book.
[7:16] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the listeners?
[7:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I want to know if you consider yourself to be a minimalist.
[7:23] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Some people say they're more intentional living but I want to hear your answer.
[7:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Oh, okay.
[7:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, I am a mom of two girls.
[7:31] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we are full speed in middle school world.
[7:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I've got a girl going into middle school in sixth grade and one in her last year.
[7:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So she's starting eighth grade.
[7:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that's.
[7:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Sinclair is my oldest and rory is my youngest and married to Scott and we just turned our life upside down and moved from Atlanta to Tennessee about six months ago.
[7:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That was probably a little bit on board for looking for a minimalist approach in a simple life.
[7:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I also host a podcast called Surviving Sarah and I have such a heart to help women survive right where they are.
[8:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: their work, their faith.
[8:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That is just where I spend a lot of my energy because I just want to be helpful and in that in that way with women.
[8:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And, and so to your question about being a minimalist, I do feel like I have become more of a minimalist in the last.
[8:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: really becoming a mom.
[8:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think the beginning of it, it was out of survival.
[8:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We moved a lot.
[8:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Just, I don't know, we'd love change, so maybe that's the nature of it.
[8:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But we moved, you know, in the early years of marriage, like from an apartment to a house, and then we moved from Atlanta back to Tennessee, and then to Tennessee to Atlanta, and then with the mayor, I feel like we've lived in like eight or nine houses in our like 16 years of marriage.
[8:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And because of that, I just started getting rid of things, like going, okay, stripping things down.
[8:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What do I really need?
[8:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What do I really want?
[9:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What do I really love?
[9:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I do feel like I became a minimalist out of survival.
[9:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so now it's, you know, it's just kind of the way of life.
[9:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I think the bigger thing for me when I think of being a minimalist is actually just being mindful.
[9:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I want my mind to be a minimalist mind, I guess, if that can be a thing so much clutter in my head that was real to me through raising these kids was just how much shame and perfectionism and fear and in authenticity were taking up residence and real estate in my mind.
[9:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I just kind of went on a path to really become more mindful and to declutter a lot of those thoughts.
[9:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I do feel like I've become more minimalist in my thinking as well.
[9:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, no, but actually that is totally a thing and I always say that you have to get your mind to a place where you are, I guess, really intentional before you can start decluttering your own possessions.
[9:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I really do think it starts there.
[10:00] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So I think that is a thing.
[10:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I can see how it would be a survival element to moving because I think it's really it's how much we have until we start moving and it's like, oh, I don't want to move all of this.
[10:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then you think am I going to continue taking this from like house to house like every time I move I'm going to just box it up and take me get that was I think I was like no, I'm not going to carry that box again.
[10:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No for sure quick question before we get into your book I when I heard your name I believe I listened to your podcast in the past and how long have you been doing that long time I'm like a grandmother I think I'm over six years now.
[10:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Okay, I thought so, because I have been listening to podcasts or probably eight, nine, 10 years.
[10:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then, yeah, I started my own six years ago.
[10:45] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I think that yours was one of the ones I started listening to.
[10:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Were you connected to, I want to say like Melanie Dale in that group of women?
[10:52] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, okay, I guess.
[10:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Why I knew your name.
[10:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, yeah, Melanie, I used to do, we used to do monthly crossover episodes, the two of us for maybe one or two years.
[11:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We did that.
[11:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Okay, I used to listen to those.
[11:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So that's why I knew I love it.
[11:08] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I love it.
[11:09] \[SPEAKER_02\]: How do I?
[11:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It was more than just your podcast.
[11:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'd heard, I knew your podcast name, but yeah, okay, gotcha.
[11:16] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yes.
[11:17] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Well, veering, I'm like tangenting now, but
[11:24] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You recently wrote a book and it's called a Mother's Guide to Raising Herself.
[11:29] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So before we get into the conversation, I just want to know what prompted you to write this one.
[11:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, I've always loved to write, but you tend to write what you know, and I feel like the last 13 years, I have just been on it, just learning a lot, learning and learning and learning.
[11:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Three raising kids, and the biggest take away from me.
[11:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And maybe it's part of midlife, you know, in my 40s, and so there's also that going into play.
[11:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: with this, but when I look back at my early years of parenting and really over the last 13 years, so much of it was maybe surviving my kids, like thinking I was surviving my kids, realizing that I was really kind of surviving myself because I was just so trying to
[12:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: fix or figure out or strategize, you know, behavior or strategize like how to do this, like there's got to be a formula to this parenting thing and realizing that there wasn't.
[12:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so much of my life was just hard and I was making it hard.
[12:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like it was on me and and through all that, I started realizing really this is gosh, it's less about raising my kids
[12:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: get them to a certain outcome and it's really more about raising myself that I was the one who really need to grow up in a lot of ways to address those things that I mentioned early like the fear here and the inauthenticity and the perfectionism and the shame like I need to address all those things in me and grow a little bit and and so when I sat down to to write that's really what was coming out that was what was had filled my journals for years was this process
[13:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: growing up.
[13:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I really feel like there's just so many women that we're no different.
[13:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, I mean, in that area, we're something hard comes along.
[13:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And if, and if we allow it, it can be a really great catalyst for growth.
[13:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's what raising kids really has been for me.
[13:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I feel like I've been confronted with that in my own life as well, just one, I thought I was selfish when I got married and it was a reflection of like, oh, well, it's not just you anymore.
[13:37] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then after my first baby and then all the way to my third every time I had a monumental or I guess just one of those moments, I realized I had to die to myself a little bit more and put a little bit more priority, which is a good thing.
[13:52] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And there is growth there, but then the other thing is,
[13:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: with children, we have expectations for them, or we are trying to discycle them or to discipline them.
[14:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I would realize that I would be talking to my children a certain way or acting a certain way towards them with not wanting them to behave the way that I would behave right.
[14:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And one of the things, this is so ridiculous, but I, for some reason, I was getting bad about wearing my seat belt.
[14:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like, I would remember half way through my drive.
[14:20] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I know that's horrible, and that's a really embarrassing thing to admit.
[14:23] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But my son, he hadn't been wearing his seat belt.
[14:25] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like, he was just throwing tantrums about it.
[14:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I remember just yelling at him every time we get in the car.
[14:30] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm like, you need to put on your seat belt.
[14:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then I looked in my rear room here and I'm like, oh,
[14:34] \[SPEAKER_02\]: like you've been struggling with this exact same thing.
[14:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And again, like that's a really dumb example because it just seems like second nature you put on your seatbelt when you get into a car.
[14:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But I was like, how can I critique him when I have been for some reason not wearing my own?
[14:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So yeah.
[14:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think it's exactly it.
[14:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's so many things that I would do the same thing.
[14:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Even recently, my daughter was talking about a friend situation, middle school drama, and we're talking about it.
[15:01] \[SPEAKER_00\]: In my advice to her, was like, doesn't sound like that person.
[15:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If you can't be yourself with that person, maybe this is not a great friend for you.
[15:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I literally sat there and was like, gosh, am I being myself with the people that I call friend?
[15:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Really, like every time I would speak something to my girls, it was like, oh, am I heating that own advice or am I, what do I think about that for my own life?
[15:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think it is just so true across the board for all of us in that.
[15:25] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Mm-hmm.
[15:26] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No, that's great.
[15:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So going into our topic, we're going to be talking about being present in motherhood, how have you challenged yourself to just be more present in the moment with maybe not needing to document everything?
[15:38] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I think again, it comes back to just living in the moment.
[15:41] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But what do you think?
[15:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: it's so hard.
[15:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think we just need to state that right away.
[15:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is it is so hard to live in the moment when it comes to social media because I feel like we all the sudden we look up when we think did it really happen if I didn't post about it.
[15:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like if people don't know that it's happened, did it really happen?
[16:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we, you know, it's kind of a funny thing to think about, but it's very true.
[16:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so for me, you know, thinking about that, I realized that I was really struggling with being present because I got a lot of need to make sure people know that I did this and one of the things that I started really thinking on was that not every moment needs to be a public moment.
[16:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Um, and I started thinking through that and I started thinking through the lens of my girls being, you know, with each stage like maybe when their teenagers are, you know, now maybe when they're older and they're 20s, you know, what am I documenting that is what I'm documenting helpful will this be weird is is like just ask getting curious and asking those questions about things.
[16:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: has helped me to decide whether this is a public thing or a private thing.
[16:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is this birthday moment?
[16:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Do we really need to share it on social media or is it or not?
[16:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, maybe so.
[16:58] \[SPEAKER_00\]: The answer I think is going to be different every single time.
[17:00] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But giving yourself permission to just at least ask some questions about that, whether you're going to feel like you're not present or you are.
[17:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, another thing for me that's been helpful and as your kids get older, you might feel the same way is that now, you know, my oldest is what made it post about her on social media.
[17:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that was a whole new thing, you know, and I'm going, well, gosh, I'm like a person who talks about parenting.
[17:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I guess, you're my muse.
[17:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Why can I post about you?
[17:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, but being mindful and respectful.
[17:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: to to what she wants because it is her life.
[17:33] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so, you know, I asked permission before it post things about her.
[17:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, so learning that way, I think even that helps you to go, am I just going to be here in this moment with my daughter and we're going to experience this thing, like she loves writing horses, am I going to just be with her or am I going to post about it?
[17:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And again, there's there's kind of no right or wrong answer.
[17:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's being able to be fluid and flexible in the moment and figure that out.
[17:57] \[SPEAKER_00\]: but one of the things that I've noticed a lot lately and it was probably one of the early things that helped me realize I needed to think this through, of being present in the moment when it comes to what we post, is have you ever been to like a we love baseball so like a baseball game or you know a concert, some great experience and you just kind of look around and you see
[18:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think it was one of the things where I was going, well, how silly is this?
[18:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, you know, I see people on the front behind home plate watching them and they're just literally looking at their phone.
[18:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm going, you're missing what's right in front of you.
[18:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, be present.
[18:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Look at this amazing thing.
[18:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, you're going to miss this cool opportunity.
[18:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think just starting, maybe it's the practice of looking up and just going, just be here.
[18:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Just be here.
[18:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's okay if you don't post about it.
[18:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I think a lot of us as mom's
[18:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: that if I don't post about it, it didn't happen and if I don't post about it, I'm not a good enough mom because I didn't publicly praise my children or the school or the event or the, you know, we didn't do that.
[19:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think just learning to ask myself and learning to at, you know, if we can learn to ask ourselves, why do I want to do this?
[19:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Can I not just be present?
[19:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Is this a
[19:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then just intentionally practicing, just looking up is kind of the approach that we should have with it.
[19:26] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm really glad that you said that because that was something that I've started to recognize as well.
[19:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I have been noticing in videos that people will post or in photos that people post.
[19:37] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You look around and everyone is on their phone in the moment videoing it.
[19:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And it's like,
[19:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, you missed her faces, like you're literally just, you are seeing the world through a screen versus seeing it right there with your eyes without anything in between.
[19:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, and honestly, I know a lot of weddings these days, they'll say like, hey, put your phone away.
[20:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: We have a photographer that will take the photos.
[20:05] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I just think about that.
[20:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm like, maybe someone could be the designated photo taker in these moments or that parents could just
[20:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: put it their phone away, but even my daughter graduated from safety time last week, and I did want to cute photo of her, but I put my phone down.
[20:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm like, I don't need to videotape all of this.
[20:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Are we even going to go back and watch?
[20:23] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Does anyone actually care on the internet that might maybe they want to see a cute photo of her, but they don't need to watch the whole procession of the individuals coming down.
[20:32] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Like, there is a fear of missing out in that, but I always talk about Joe Mo and just the joy of missing out and it is getting that presence back.
[20:41] \[SPEAKER_02\]: in those moments that.
[20:43] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes.
[20:44] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And it's hard.
[20:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think that is, you know, okay, if we looked at my phone, there's like what over 3,000 photos and videos on it.
[20:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's just my phone.
[20:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Less than not even talk about what's on eye clouds, you know?
[20:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And you're going really, it might ever go into, like if I really wanted to go and like minimize and simplify my photos and go, what are we going to keep and what are we going to get rid of?
[21:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, that alone is enough to cause me to crawl under the
[21:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: because there's just so much.
[21:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And said because we are trying to, like we said, like, do I really need the video of this whole ceremony of her graduating from this thing?
[21:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Take a couple of pictures, tuck it away, and you're good.
[21:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's really all you're gonna wanna need probably down the road.
[21:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I totally agree.
[21:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And the same goes for performances.
[21:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I anytime I go to a concert, I guess it's just pre-COVID.
[21:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: They're starting back up again.
[21:37] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But yes.
[21:37] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And just like, are you going to go back and rewatch this?
[21:40] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And so I've stopped myself in the past probably five years, just because it's never going to sound as good on your phone as it didn't person.
[21:47] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And that's not what we're paying to hear live music.
[21:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And it is a cool experience.
[21:52] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But
[21:53] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Again, I can look up YouTube videos of probably that exact performance on the state.
[21:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You know what I'm saying?
[22:00] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So it's a tough thing.
[22:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I really do think it just comes back to a huge.
[22:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Wanting to put out there what the things are that we're doing and what we've done.
[22:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I don't want to look like getting into visuals or just everyone else is doing it.
[22:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So it's easy to do it as well.
[22:13] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Right.
[22:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, I think that you say that.
[22:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's the nail on the head.
[22:17] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, we don't want to look like boring individuals who lead boring lives, but that's just, you know, it's not everything is like a high mountain top moment, you know, sometimes life is just simple and not a lot going on and that's okay because that's just normal life.
[22:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[22:37] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I want to get into my next question, but the one thing I did want to mention, I have a girlfriend.
[22:41] \[SPEAKER_02\]: She doesn't have kids, but herner has been work for a huge video game company out now, and either of them have social media.
[22:48] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I just think about, I'm like, you guys are so connected to, I guess, the world of tech in a way, and yet you don't.
[22:56] \[SPEAKER_02\]: do this.
[22:57] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And they have really exciting lives, honestly.
[22:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So I feel like there's so much freedom honestly in the way that she lives and we went out for a Bachelor up party the other night.
[23:05] \[SPEAKER_02\]: She wasn't, she didn't have her phone out at all.
[23:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And she was just totally moment.
[23:09] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I, I don't know, I just think it's, it's bizarre because I live my life in this realm.
[23:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I think about the boundaries.
[23:16] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I want to put it on it myself.
[23:17] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And like you said, kids getting older, it's important to respect them and what they want.
[23:22] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So,
[23:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: Yeah, I don't know.
[23:23] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I just wanted to mention that I thought it was interesting.
[23:26] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, definitely the way to go, I think.
[23:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I want to talk more about being present in the moment just into other areas.
[23:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I want to talk about it as wives and how we can be more present as someone's partner.
[23:40] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then as friends, you mentioned friendships and being your authentic self.
[23:44] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I want to talk more about what presence looks like there.
[23:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So let's go with being a spouse, someone that's present in your marriage.
[23:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: What does that look like for you and what advice do you have?
[23:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, so this is probably the, like, I'm going to tell you the, the way that I, in the worst at this and the, so it's the thing that I am working on that I am working progress, but it is connected to what we're talking about with the phones.
[24:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I will pull up my...
[24:12] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm always multitasking, which is not great, but I'm always thinking ahead.
[24:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm strategizing like, you know, we as moms were thinking about, you know, if it gets to be night time, then I'm thinking about the next day for the kids.
[24:22] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What's the schedule like, what's my work schedule like, what are we doing?
[24:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: What are we going to eat?
[24:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: There's just constant things going on.
[24:28] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I have a tendency to be on my phone, making my grocery list.
[24:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: If I'm going to get a sort of morning to make sure I have this, isn't that?
[24:35] \[SPEAKER_00\]: or if we need to do this thing.
[24:36] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so it's kind of, it's in my mind, it's harmless.
[24:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, where, you know, Scott and I are having a conversation.
[24:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I'm also working on tomorrow's agenda.
[24:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It feels harmless.
[24:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But what I've learned is that it's really just kind of rude.
[24:51] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And he's not getting my eyes.
[24:52] \[SPEAKER_00\]: He's not getting
[24:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That's one of the best non-verbal ways to say I'm paying attention to you is I'm looking you in the eyes and I'm nodding along and so for me I've noticed that that has meant and he's brought it up before in the past but that is not communicating my presence with him and so that is something that I work on is putting my phone down.
[25:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: and just looking him in the eye as we're having a conversation, even if it's just simple conversation, whatever it might be.
[25:21] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I know that sounds so silly, but I don't think I'm the only one who struggles to have their phone up doing other things while having a conversation with someone.
[25:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So for me, I think that is the biggest thing is just giving him my full attention, not my
[25:40] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No, I can relate to that 100%.
[25:42] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I think it's because our phones, you're right, we can create our grocery list on there.
[25:47] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I can submit a grocery order on there.
[25:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I can have my little running note on there with whatever I need to just put in there quickly.
[25:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Or I might be reading a book on my phone on my Kindle.
[25:57] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And it's just all these little things that our phone has replaced in our lives, like the note pad or the dry erase board or the book.
[26:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, our eyes are on our phone.
[26:05] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So I think there is just an element of always being on our phone that's also feels maybe more offensive because it seems like we're always on it, which maybe we are, but they're multiple reasons behind that.
[26:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So my husband and I have the same conversations.
[26:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah, I just, I think it's just, it's the nature of the beast right now that, yeah, this is the, the playing field, if you will.
[26:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we've got to figure it out because it is.
[26:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It has the potential to erode our relationships.
[26:30] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Mm-hmm.
[26:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'll be curious to see, I may cut this out, but I'll be curious to see in the coming years, if I mean, you see those black mirror episodes of that show, or at least I haven't brought them to where it's like everything is robotic and we're all as screens are everywhere, but I'm also wondering if people are going to get so sick of it that we just honestly go have to a more simple world.
[26:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't know
[26:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So it'll be curious.
[26:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know.
[26:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know.
[26:56] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I wonder if it, I think that all the time, I really do think the pendulum will swing a little bit.
[27:02] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[27:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I feel like we've gotten to this one end or pretty high to that end.
[27:06] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I really do think it's going to swing back the other way at some point.
[27:10] \[SPEAKER_02\]: 100%.
[27:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: All right.
[27:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I want to hear how we can be more present in our friendships.
[27:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think the best way or I guess I should say one of the best ways to be present in our friendships is to show up as yourself and that is I think that's harder than we think it is.
[27:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I think the older we get especially in our 20s and 30s, I think we're still asking as age-old middle school questions of
[27:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: who am I and where do I belong?
[27:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so it's easy to start playing a role in thinking, oh, this is how I'm supposed to be.
[27:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And this is how a person should be.
[27:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And instead of just who I am.
[27:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I think when we needed to start practicing showing up as ourselves and choose, you know, and that starts with with the right people.
[28:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: you know, you're some friends.
[28:04] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I know that new friends that I tried showing up as me and you know, they quickly were like, oh, I don't, you know, I don't do that.
[28:11] \[SPEAKER_00\]: You know, there was a tone of judgment and it's like, okay, you're not safe.
[28:15] \[SPEAKER_00\]: We'll just, we'll say, what I'm going to say to someone else that is safe.
[28:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I think if we can practice just showing up as ourselves,
[28:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And in leaning into those friendships where you feel safe, like for me, I make sure to have at least one moment a week with a friend, whether that's, you know, on a walk or a phone call or a lunch, whatever it might be.
[28:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Even through COVID, it was so great to just have.
[28:40] \[SPEAKER_00\]: phone calls or I, you know, once things opened up a little bit, you know, going a weekly walk with my friend, those moments of friend that I could show up as myself with and talk through life and just be present in the moment with that was that was that was a huge life giving moment for me.
[28:58] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Absolutely agree.
[28:59] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I think,
[29:00] \[SPEAKER_02\]: what I've determined about all that into my 30s is that I used to think I needed a ton of people to accept my just me as who I am.
[29:11] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I'm like, no, if I have a handful that I can be two or three that I can be myself with, like my true self with, then that's enough.
[29:19] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I don't want to say that I'm not authentic with my
[29:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: more acquaintances or people that I don't connect with regularly.
[29:24] \[SPEAKER_02\]: But I think there is just a okay why don't want to seem crazy on the one time I see you every four or five months, you know.
[29:30] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Right.
[29:31] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So but if my cousin who hears me acting crazy every day on the phone, she's just like, oh, there's Diane again.
[29:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So you feel more comfortable in whoever it is that you are just with these people that we're connecting with and it doesn't have to be.
[29:45] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I don't know.
[29:45] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Again, I think maybe social media can set us up for that because we're seeing you have maybe been friends with the same groups in high school and that's not everyone's story.
[29:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Right.
[29:54] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Absolutely.
[29:55] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think that's more rare than then common to be to be that close to your high school friends.
[30:02] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yeah.
[30:03] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I totally agree.
[30:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Do you have any other advice on how to teach our children to be more present in the moment?
[30:10] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Well, it is hard when we are learning it ourselves, I feel like as we go, but I feel like it's just going to take a lot of modeling and a lot of boundaries, which I'm not good at drawing boundaries, it's all new to me.
[30:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But if we can practice going, this is when we are present, this is when if we're going to continue the conversation of phones, you know.
[30:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is when we put our phones down.
[30:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: This is how we approach this.
[30:34] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think that is very helpful in regards to phones.
[30:37] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think there's an onboarding process as the kids get older, you know, to hold out and to recognize developmentally where kids are.
[30:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: meet them where they are at for middle school they're going through a lot of cognitive pruning is what they call it where they literally are just forgetting so much of what they already know and because their brain is developing so fast and so if we're just letting them feel that with all this other stuff the things that aren't that important.
[31:03] \[SPEAKER_00\]: then that's what their brain is going to remember and it's going to prune off all this other stuff.
[31:08] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I think that we just have to help teach them be honest, have honest conversations, and then just help set boundaries.
[31:16] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And that's not always easy because they don't always like the boundaries.
[31:19] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I don't like, you know, like rug in the boat, but gosh, kids rock all the bits.
[31:23] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So I do think it just is a process of modeling and setting boundaries.
[31:29] \[SPEAKER_02\]: which is what we are talking about earlier, too, with, well, I should say my example of that is my daughter will see me, even if I'm at a red light and I grab my phone really fast to send a text.
[31:40] \[SPEAKER_02\]: She's like, mommy, you're not supposed to be on your phone when you're driving both hands, you're both through your hands, are on the wheel.
[31:46] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I'm like, oh, she's really watching my effort in this days.
[31:50] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I never want her on her phone when she's driving and she learns to type and say, early seven years old.
[31:57] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I think that again, that was that mirror reflection of my behavior in her and it's like, if I don't set boundaries around my phone.
[32:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And again, I am the adult here, but I also think when she becomes a teenager, she would have a point.
[32:09] \[SPEAKER_02\]: You always step your phone in your hand, why can't I and correct.
[32:12] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, so that is.
[32:14] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Again, I think it is not holding up the mirror to ourselves and we really are just humans raising other humans and we love them and we have a special bond with them, but it's also We're just walking through this life together, you know, yes, absolutely.
[32:29] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I mean, it helps me when I think on that note of raising humans when I think of the kind of human I want my girls to be when they are 30.
[32:38] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That helps me make a lot of different decisions.
[32:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: and these younger years because I think, and it helps me to let go of a lot of fear of going, okay, one day they're going to be 30.
[32:46] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I'm going to keep the ended mind and we're going to be present.
[32:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And we're going to think through how to help them become that kind of person when they're 30.
[32:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Absolutely.
[32:55] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Well Sarah, this was a wonderful conversation and I can't wait to read your book and they have listeners read it as well.
[33:01] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So where can they find you connect with you and grab a copy of it?
[33:05] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Yes, you can find me, my website is SarahBrag.com.
[33:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I send a monthly survival kit newsletter full of all the things that have helped me survive that month.
[33:14] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, give you curated recommendations of what to read, what to watch, what to listen to, you can sign it for that there.
[33:20] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And then my Instagram is Sarah W. Bragg.
[33:25] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Of course, you can buy a mother's got to raising herself just anywhere you like to buy books.
[33:29] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Perfect.
[33:29] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Well, as you have a proper conversation, I'm going to ask you the two questions Leo's every guest.
[33:33] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And the first one is, what is something dear to you that you could never minimize?
[33:39] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That is a jar of question.
[33:41] \[SPEAKER_00\]: When I, do you're going to ask this and so I thought about it and I thought about my engagement ring box.
[33:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: No.
[33:48] \[SPEAKER_00\]: That is something.
[33:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So here we are at 16 years and it's broken.
[33:53] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like it doesn't even actually like shut, like, you know, securely, but I still put my rings in it every single night and said them, you know, you know, where in my closet of rubber
[34:07] \[SPEAKER_00\]: that box, because it just means so much to me.
[34:09] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I would have never thought that if you'd had an asset question, and they make me think a little bit about that.
[34:13] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think that's what it is.
[34:15] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah, I can't believe you still have the box and you've taken them off.
[34:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I can't believe you haven't lost them by taking them, but I don't want to not box, but I don't pick them, you know, right.
[34:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Right.
[34:24] \[SPEAKER_00\]: It's like it's like routine.
[34:26] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I don't like sleeping in jewelry.
[34:27] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so it fills, it's fun to me.
[34:30] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And so I've just always taken it off.
[34:32] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But yeah, it's meant that it's that little box.
[34:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[34:35] \[SPEAKER_02\]: All right.
[34:36] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And then lastly, what is an area in your life that you would struggle to keep
[34:42] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Okay, I hate to even admit this, but I have over 1,000 emails on my phone that are not good.
[34:50] \[SPEAKER_00\]: when yeah my husband literally just he opened my phone yesterday and he was like um this is a problem so I just I struggle to minimize my emails like I don't know what it is I send myself like so many emails to like probably like half a person from myself but reminders are like think about this or you know and then I just just sit there in my like inbox
[35:18] \[SPEAKER_00\]: So that's just something I need help with rising.
[35:21] \[SPEAKER_02\]: That's it.
[35:22] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I have a website for you.
[35:24] \[SPEAKER_02\]: It's called unvolved.me.
[35:27] \[SPEAKER_02\]: And I don't know.
[35:28] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I guess you'd have to give it permission to do this.
[35:30] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So if you're not wanting that, then it's on.
[35:33] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[35:34] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I have that set up and it puts everything that you just click on from the list that takes it all off.
[35:39] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So you don't have to go to each individual thing and write or if there's things that you don't want to see, you can categorize it itself.
[35:45] \[SPEAKER_00\]: And I would say it's been really helpful to me.
[35:47] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But I need to go through.
[35:49] \[SPEAKER_00\]: I think my biggest thing is just organizing like, so you want to keep these emails.
[35:54] \[SPEAKER_00\]: Like, first of all, let's read them, make them unread and then put them somewhere.
[35:59] \[SPEAKER_00\]: But then I just get overwhelmed and go, oh, who has time to do that?
[36:04] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I know I need to.
[36:05] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No.
[36:05] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I'm here.
[36:06] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Yeah.
[36:07] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Well, this was a wonderful conversation.
[36:09] \[SPEAKER_02\]: I hope that this helps moms as they're getting back into this whole year and knowing what to prioritize and how to be more present with their children because it really does go so fast.
[36:18] \[SPEAKER_02\]: So I just appreciate your time today.
[36:20] \[SPEAKER_02\]: No.
[36:20] \[SPEAKER_02\]: Thank you for having me and for having such a thoughtful conversation.
[36:25] \[SPEAKER_03\]: What did you think of the episode?
[36:27] \[SPEAKER_03\]: I hope you enjoyed the conversation.
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