# 276: Michael Voss (Part B)

An episode of [The Howie Games](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1146329262), 19 Aug 2026, 49 min.

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He has lived just about every life Australian football can offer. Prodigious young talent, champion player, premiership captain, Brisbane coach and, most recently, senior coach of Carlton. Vossy joins Howie for a fascinating and deeply personal conversation about the journey that shaped one of the game's greatest leaders. And behind the success are the people, challenges, lessons and moments that helped make him the footballer and leader he became. Plus, his take on the Blues rise up the ladder for a Wildcard berth since his departure earlier this year. This is Michael Voss beyond the headlines! His football, his leadership, his life and the journey that made him one of the game's greats. *** Follow the Howie Games on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehowiegamespod/ Follow the Howie Games on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thehowiegames See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] A listener production.
[0:07] You are listening to episode 276 of the Howie Games, part B, featuring Michael Voss.
[0:11] On we go.
[0:14] Hey, Vossie, when you give it away, your last game, your 289th game, where you played against your brother as well, Brett, against security, you had 34 disposals, you got two Brownlow votes.
[0:25] So if you just look at the stats, you think, why is this bloke retired?
[0:29] Ha, ha, ha.
[0:30] But physically, was it a different story to that?
[0:32] I was exhausted.
[0:34] The reason why those crutches exist, we talked about, is because the right knee is probably worse than the left knee and the left knee is what I've had done, so it probably explains to you where I was at.
[0:44] I was just emotionally exhausted.
[0:45] And I guess the way to look at it a little bit is that,
[0:49] I always figure, and again, self-indulgent, I always figure good players always have another good game left in them, but they just run out of good games.
[0:58] And so that's probably why you end up retiring.
[1:00] You get to a point where you go, well...
[1:03] Am I willing to sort of live with that or do I sort of think it's, you know, time for me to be able to move on?
[1:08] And I felt like it was just the time that the era was changing.
[1:13] You know, we need to go a different direction.
[1:15] I was about done.
[1:17] The body was telling me so.
[1:18] And even though on that last day I had a great day, there was a lot fewer of them than more of them.
[1:25] And did you retire and –
[1:28] think, yeah, this is good or did you have that situation?
[1:30] What the hell am I going to do now?
[1:32] No, I was looking forward.
[1:34] Once I got to the point where I went, that's the decision.
[1:36] It's not something I think you sit and go, oh, you wake up and go, I'm done.
[1:41] This happens over the course of months.
[1:44] And you're looking for evidence to convince yourself to keep going because that's probably where you all start from.
[1:50] And then you start to see more and more evidence of why you shouldn't.
[1:54] And I just sort of started to see more of that.
[1:56] I was encouraged from Lee to keep playing.
[1:57] The club wanted me to continue on.
[2:00] My support family wanted me to keep going.
[2:03] But I knew deep down I'd just be cranky and wouldn't be the person I wanted to be, wouldn't be the leader I wanted to be.
[2:10] Um, so I just felt like it was the right time.
[2:12] Um, stepping aside though, um, I always sort of felt like I'd come to that point where I sort of thought maybe coaching on is, is somewhere where I want to go.
[2:20] This isn't the last hurrah.
[2:22] I was doing some media work, um,
[2:25] Not many know I was sports anchor for Channel 10 for a little period of time, which was one of the scariest things I've ever done in my life.
[2:31] How did you go with the autocue?
[2:32] Oh, that's tough, especially when it freezes.
[2:34] Yes, yes, yes.
[2:36] That's why I reckon you should never use one.
[2:39] I refuse to use them for that very reason.
[2:40] Oh, my God.
[2:41] That's scary because on TV, three seconds is an eternity, isn't it?
[2:44] So how did you end up on Channel 10?
[2:46] Well, it was through Dave Barham.
[2:48] Yep.
[2:48] He reached out to do some commentary and a spot had sort of opened up in the sports, obviously in Channel 10 Brisbane.
[2:56] Let's now go to Michael Voss for the sport, bossy.
[2:58] And so I did that.
[3:00] And I actually really loved it to the point where I'm going, actually, is this really – do I really want to go back into coaching or not?
[3:06] But what I had to satisfy in my own –
[3:09] Mine was that there's, you know, as a competitor, there's this sort of empty thing in your stomach that you're trying to fill up all the time.
[3:14] And I needed to walk away from games and feel like I had skin in the game.
[3:20] You know, I was commentating, but I finished the game.
[3:23] I go, yeah.
[3:24] I don't feel anything.
[3:26] But as the competitor, I needed to scratch that itch.
[3:29] I needed to, there was a win and a loss.
[3:32] And what was it going to be?
[3:35] And I was okay with living in that space.
[3:37] And that's what I loved about sport.
[3:38] And that's what got me back involved as coaching.
[3:40] Former Lions captain Michael Voss was today appointed to replace Lee Matthews as coach for the next three years.
[3:49] He joins us now live from the Gavarin Vossi.
[3:51] It's been a whirlwind 24 hours.
[3:53] Did you see this coming?
[3:56] No, absolutely not.
[3:57] This is a complete surprise to me.
[3:59] And, of course, we had Lee Matthews resign yesterday.
[4:02] So, you know, the last 24 hours has been quite amazing and I'm still trying to get my head around it.
[4:07] Yes, oh, well, there's no doubt you were a champion player.
[4:10] But is it a big risk for you and the club to make the transition straight to senior coach?
[4:15] Oh, look, I think when you've got a degree of uncertainty, there's always going to be a number of questions that need to be answered.
[4:20] And unfortunately, I don't get to be able to answer those until I get my hands stuck into it.
[4:24] So from that point of view, that's where my focus lies, being able to get the job done.
[4:28] And that's the only way that I'm going to be able to prove whether I can do this or not.
[4:31] Well, you've played with many of the players on the Lions list.
[4:34] Is that going to make it tougher coaching them?
[4:36] You might even have to sack some of them.
[4:38] Well, maybe, but at the same time, I think that's the expectation and the players should expect that from me, being the coach.
[4:44] And I actually think that that's quite a strength to be able to have such a strong relationship with the players.
[4:49] But really, the underlying thing and the underlying premise is we all have to perform and I won't be expecting anything different from them and they shouldn't expect anything different from me.
[4:57] Well, Vossi, along those lines, you've still got a contract here.
[4:59] We expect you here bright and early tomorrow.
[5:02] See you tomorrow, guys.
[5:03] Thanks, Vossie.
[5:04] You will not remember this.
[5:05] So I think it was the last grand final that 10 did before they lost the rights to nine.
[5:11] But I remember being at the bar and Dave had put money on the bar, Dave Barham, and then the money had run out and I was going to get a beer.
[5:19] And you came up and I thought, I'll be the big guy here, Michael Voss.
[5:22] Hey, Vossie, I'll get you a beer.
[5:23] You won't remember this.
[5:24] And you're like, oh, thanks, Howie, that's very nice.
[5:26] And I would have just been pumped that you knew my name at that stage.
[5:29] And I went to pay and the...
[5:32] I got flustered, Vossie, and I went to pay with a credit card, and the barman said, mate, you can't pay for beers with a library card, and I'd got that flustered that I was trying to buy you a beer that I'd handed over my library card, Vossie, and it was highly, as my son would tell me now, it was a real aura lost, Vossie.
[5:51] You will not recall this particular moment.
[5:53] I can't recall.
[5:54] I told my wife about it.
[5:55] She said, hey, when you speak to Vossie, you need to bring up the libraries
[5:59] And then I said, she's a big Carlton girl.
[6:00] I said, anything else I should ask Vossi?
[6:02] She asked a very pertinent question.
[6:03] She said, can you ask him whether, in his opinion, he has been a better player or coach?
[6:09] Yeah.
[6:11] Oh, that's a tough – they're totally different expertise.
[6:15] It's a good question.
[6:17] So results will always – the first thing I always separate things, results from how you do things.
[6:26] And I played football from four years of age.
[6:29] I hope that – In the under 10s.
[6:31] Yeah, in the under 10s.
[6:32] And it was a craft that I'd learnt from a very young –
[6:37] from a young age and everything was about being the player.
[6:42] And then I think you get to a point where you sort of go, hang on, like this is actually just can't be about everything that I do.
[6:47] It's just how do I impact others?
[6:49] And I think you just mature into that.
[6:52] And, you know, I finish now and I sort of think, God, like, you know, even the last, you know, the last 12 months, I think, well,
[7:01] I felt like I was just coaching as well as I was at any particular time, but now I don't have my job.
[7:06] Does that frustrate you?
[7:07] A little bit, but at the same time, you've got to be able to compartmentalize that.
[7:13] And that's something that I think sport is always asking of you is that always around you, people are measuring you by results.
[7:23] And what the challenge is always is to not mark yourself by that.
[7:28] That's not your identity, how you go about it, what you do every single day, the things you live by, setting places up to be in a great place.
[7:37] That's the priority.
[7:38] That's the job you've been given.
[7:41] So when you get to the point where you're okay with that, then you can move on.
[7:46] And so, you know, I get to the point, I say goodbye to coaching Carlton, but I wasn't saying goodbye to coaching Carlton.
[7:52] I was saying goodbye to coaching.
[7:53] So you wouldn't coach again?
[7:54] So I'm not, I wouldn't coach again.
[7:57] And because my opportunity, my time with the son's done, it's now somebody else's time.
[8:03] So I reflect on all that and that's why sort of when you sit in moments like this and you reflect back in your old story, it becomes, you know, you sort of like start thinking about, well, what is next?
[8:10] You know, what happens?
[8:11] And I don't know that answer right now.
[8:13] Well, stick to Fox Footy for the moment because you're going beautifully on that.
[8:15] Well, invite me in at the minute.
[8:16] Well, so you coach Brisbane.
[8:18] Yeah.
[8:20] You end up at Brisbane, but let's focus on Carlton because obviously that's the more recent.
[8:26] And I want to show you some vision that to me is a great gift you gave Carlton, which is just brilliant.
[8:31] But before we get to that, you walk into the Carlton Football Club.
[8:35] So you coach your own club for an extended period of time.
[8:37] You'd had some success at the start and then things sort of drifted off.
[8:39] And then you're with Kenny at Port for, I don't know, six, seven, eight, a long period of time.
[8:45] How much better coach are you in your mind walking into Carlton than when you were walking into Brisbane for the first day on the job?
[8:52] Oh, it's completely, completely different.
[8:54] It's completely different from like the player in your first game to the player in his 200th game?
[8:58] Absolutely completely different.
[8:59] I mean, even just if you'd narrow it in on one thing, because, you know, it's really difficult to when you're sort of, you know, in formation is what you believe in as a coach.
[9:07] Your philosophies grow over the good things that happen and the bad things that happen.
[9:12] But you just learn how to, you know, I probably didn't want to control more things when I was coaching at Brisbane.
[9:20] So I took more things on.
[9:22] But the problem with that is I carried all the load.
[9:24] And, you know, whether that was coaching, whether that was, you know, leadership programs, training.
[9:30] where that was training.
[9:31] You know, I was immersed in all in the middle of it.
[9:34] And I didn't back in enough my people I had there that were employed as experts in their roles to be able to do what they needed to be able to do.
[9:40] Right.
[9:41] You know, you go to port, you take over the midfield and then sort of start going to a senior assistant role and the role starts to change.
[9:48] And then all of a sudden Ken's really demanding something different from you to put the faith in others, to put the trust in others, to lead an environment.
[9:57] And, you know,
[9:58] And so when you go from that, from Brisbane then to Carlton, you take that as a very important piece because, you know, it was really important that the assistant coaches were up there teaching the game plan.
[10:11] you know, that I spent my time with players.
[10:14] You know, like my relationship was to be with the players and make sure they were really clear on what was expected and where they were at and why they were there and whether they were in the team or they weren't in the team.
[10:25] So that was really important to me.
[10:26] But to do that, you've got to trust people to do their jobs.
[10:31] So I didn't take training drills.
[10:33] You know, I think I had one and the only reason why I had it was because I call it the handball cauldron.
[10:39] And it was a competitive bash up sort of, you know, bring your mouth guards sort of type one, which the coach took.
[10:46] I never took training drills.
[10:48] The coaches took those.
[10:49] I never took education sessions.
[10:51] Coaches took those.
[10:53] You know, leadership programs, you know.
[10:55] that's for others to take.
[10:57] But where your voice becomes even more powerful is you can sort of just come in drips and drabs and sort of just sort of emphasize what you think's important in those particular moments to be able to get the traction you need.
[11:06] So that's all formed off your time in Brisbane.
[11:09] So that's why, like, I look at, you know, coaching now and I think, how can you be not better at that over time?
[11:16] And, you know, right now the results –
[11:19] you know, when I left, clearly weren't in our favour.
[11:22] So you think, oh, God, that's a bit disappointing.
[11:24] And it was.
[11:26] But there's a hell of a lot learnt over that particular time that I really believe in.
[11:32] Carl, it gets to 2023.
[11:42] Elimination final, you're 13-9 and a draw.
[11:45] You beat Sydney by a goal in front of 92,026 people at the MCG.
[11:50] And then I'm about to show you, for me, in all my privileged time working in football, I haven't seen a strong calm.
[12:01] But the semifinal against Melbourne, in the closing stages, I...
[12:07] you'll hear me now.
[12:09] I can go back into the Triple M commentary box with Dars and Brownie and Chief, and I have not, even on grand final day, experienced the emotion, the noise, the energy as the last couple of moments in this game when Blake Akers did this.
[12:26] And that's when, for the first time in my football calling career, I realised what Carlton up and about means.
[12:33] I want to know what it's like to coach him.
[12:35] But this, I'll never forget this.
[12:37] He's kicked it straight to Wiener.
[12:39] In come Carlton.
[12:40] Aggressive ball in the middle hole.
[12:41] He's got to stand up in the contest.
[12:42] He marks defensive side of the square.
[12:45] Drives the four to a massive one-on-one.
[12:47] It's one.
[12:49] And he streams four for a 50.
[12:50] Can't take the mark.
[12:51] Fritcher's there.
[12:53] Akers played on the mark.
[13:04] So that is like nothing I have seen at the MCG, as I said, as my voice was breaking for the first time at age 47.
[13:11] Vossi, what is being in charge of Carlton when this is what Carlton is?
[13:18] It's exceptional.
[13:19] Yeah.
[13:20] You know, to be part of that moment, I mean, that is up there with, you know, some of the greatest moments I've ever experienced in my- I've got goosebumps now.
[13:27] In my time as well.
[13:28] Really?
[13:29] And I think you just sort of felt like just an overflow of emotion there.
[13:33] I mean, when we talk about that particular moment, we say that the ground, the actual stadium was shaking.
[13:39] It was shaking.
[13:40] Yeah, it was.
[13:41] And I think that's one of the great things you've got to do.
[13:44] You've got to keep reminding yourself the privileged position you're in
[13:48] when you're coaching.
[13:50] One of my childhood dreams was I follow Carlton.
[13:55] I've spoken to Fly about this as well because there was a similar instance the year before with Collingwood and Carlton.
[14:00] Collingwood ended up winning that game and Elliott kicks the goal.
[14:03] Elliott's there as well.
[14:03] It kicked out the back.
[14:05] Now Elliott can face the goal.
[14:07] He can give it to Gideon.
[14:08] He kicks the goal.
[14:09] Collingwood in front.
[14:11] Collingwood in front.
[14:15] It was so loud.
[14:16] It was so loud.
[14:17] And you sort of look around the stadium and think, wow, I've got one of the best mates that's, you know, over on that side.
[14:23] I'm here.
[14:24] He's coaching Collingwood.
[14:25] I'm coaching Carlton.
[14:27] And you've just got this and you're in the middle of the MCG with 100,000 people and the game's on the line.
[14:33] What a special place to be in.
[14:35] But to be able to give Carlton people that moment, I'll just always remember because it's been built off a lot
[14:45] Um, and, you know, sort of this looking for the next bit of hope, um, to be able to climb from, you know, not having sustained success to, to being a successful football club.
[14:55] So, but I'll tell you right, there is no club bigger.
[14:58] There is no club bigger out there.
[15:00] So how mad, how mad, how mad does it get?
[15:02] Because...
[15:03] And Tommy, who's a generation below me, so he hasn't seen the success of the premierships.
[15:09] That's his favourite.
[15:11] I was talking about it this morning.
[15:12] I said, we've got to show that to Vossi because that's peak.
[15:15] And he said that's my football club at its best.
[15:20] Like, how big is it?
[15:21] Yeah.
[15:23] there's not a club bigger.
[15:25] And, you know, people will argue it and, you know, probably people might even make comments on this after they start listening to it, but it is massive.
[15:34] And, you know, they're not backwards in kickoff.
[15:38] They will let you know they're Carlton supporters.
[15:39] They're not sitting off to the side and sort of leaving you in any doubt that they're Carlton supporters.
[15:44] They're immersed in Carlton.
[15:45] And it's...
[15:46] It's noisy.
[15:48] You have to be able to know what's real and what's not real.
[15:52] And it's the challenge that the club will always have.
[15:55] It's the extremes.
[15:56] We talk about the extremes.
[15:57] It's the, you know, everything's either really great or everything's absolutely, excuse me, shit.
[16:03] You're killing all your shit out if you can't.
[16:05] And the challenge for the club moving forward is that how do you skim off that and how do you skim off that and live in the middle?
[16:13] By keeping it as consistent.
[16:15] as you possibly can, and ensuring that you know what's really important.
[16:20] And you've gone through a lot of life's lessons.
[16:24] Players go through a lot of life lessons.
[16:27] We learn sometimes when we stray from that and we become a little bit selfish and it becomes about self-interest and it becomes about your own ego.
[16:33] And then we float towards these moments, which is all about team and playing something bigger than yourself and representing the jumper.
[16:40] And there'll be a point in time where the club will eventually meet in the middle and that'll be its sweet spot.
[16:48] And I hope that that time's now.
[16:52] And so if I could look back in five years' time and say that that moment was now and that that part of the group has been worked out, then there'll be nothing sweeter than being able to hear that and see that transpire over the next four or five years.
[17:08] So the week after in Brisbane in April, I relate this back to my wife who's a carton lunatic.
[17:15] We were flying to Hobart to see my folks.
[17:23] late in the first quarter where Carlton had dominated.
[17:26] For the first five.
[17:32] What is going on at the gather?
[17:35] She turned the telly on.
[17:37] So probably didn't see the first quarter of absolute joy and experience the rest from there.
[17:42] Did you walk away from that prelim thinking, there's a better team that beat us?
[17:48] The activated sub gets the possession.
[17:50] Late Lions.
[17:51] Hitwood's been good.
[17:52] Picked up by Bailey.
[17:53] And it's the Brisbane Lions who meet the Magpies in the 2023 AFL Grand Final.
[18:02] Early stages, it looked like, wow, Carlton could play in the Grand Final here.
[18:06] And that's not what you're thinking in the box, but that's what every Carlton fan that's been desperate for success is thinking.
[18:11] Yeah.
[18:13] No, humility will always say that the opposition deserve their position.
[18:17] I mean, they're a great football side and proven to be so.
[18:21] Yeah.
[18:22] But it's not about being the best team of the year.
[18:24] It's about being the best team in that game.
[18:26] And we'd certainly shown that.
[18:27] And I remember seeing you on the interchange bench –
[18:31] And Andrew Russell was to my right and he was just behind me.
[18:35] And I remember looking at him after we'd kicked whatever, the fifth goal, sixth goal.
[18:40] Five to zip or something.
[18:41] And the crowd was going absolutely bananas.
[18:44] Because they had all the – what are they?
[18:46] The Blues Brothers were up there.
[18:47] Yeah, Blues Brothers were up.
[18:48] But the crowd, it was like this trial.
[18:50] When you go to the Premier League, you know, you see these two.
[18:51] Yep, yep.
[18:51] There's one set of the crowd over that side and there's another on this side.
[18:54] And I just remember looking at Andrew Russell.
[18:56] I'm like, what the is going on here?
[19:01] If we had our time back and I got to speak to every single one of those players again, I reckon we'd handle halftime differently because rather than seeing what had been lost and the hype that had been built in the first quarter, and then in the second quarter, they were able to hit back.
[19:19] Were you two points up or two points down?
[19:21] Yeah, it was nothing in at halftime.
[19:22] But it felt like something had been ripped away from us, and we really struggled to wrestle that emotion back.
[19:28] But if I'd said to you, Vossi, it's a prelim, and you're going to be within a kick at halftime, would you take it?
[19:34] Probably saying yes.
[19:35] And everything...
[19:37] at this point in time says that makes sense.
[19:39] Yeah.
[19:39] But when you're locked in a locker room and you're sort of trying to deal with the scoreboard and what's happening and it's a prelim and, oh, my God, we're on the cusp of something we never thought was possible only three or four months ago, that's a hell of a lot different.
[19:53] And that takes an element of maturity to be able to deal with that scenario.
[19:57] So what would you do differently at halftime?
[19:58] I think the way we would definitely approach that was look at the opportunity in front of us rather than seeing what's lost.
[20:04] And again, it doesn't matter what I say.
[20:07] It's what the players feel.
[20:08] And sometimes you've got to experience finals to be able to know what that's like.
[20:13] And that's why you rarely see teams that come out of finals and go all the way through because you need to experience the intensity of...
[20:21] of what finals brings.
[20:22] You need to be able to experience the intensity of being able to win a game like that and turn up the next week and not treat it any differently.
[20:29] You see Brisbane and the way that they've been able to do things over the last little while, it's taken six years before they actually end up getting to be at grand final day.
[20:37] The first one they failed, the next two they get right.
[20:40] Who knows what happens next?
[20:43] So you have to treat your journey as a team as like that, a bunch of lessons that you get to learn from that ultimately makes you more mature to be able to handle those moments at the right time.
[20:54] Those moments you showed on grand final day don't show up just because I turned up and I was 25 years of age and I played 85 games.
[21:00] turn up through lessons.
[21:01] They turn up through failure.
[21:03] They turn up when it works.
[21:07] And we don't give that enough room.
[21:09] And so we've got to let some of that breathe sometimes.
[21:12] And it's hard as a supporter to sit with that.
[21:16] But sometimes that's the journey you've got to go on.
[21:18] And you've got to experience all that.
[21:20] And that's what I say.
[21:21] In five years' time, I hope I'm looking back.
[21:23] And I'm seeing the current football club and they're having a tremendous amount of success.
[21:28] And they've used one of these moments as the moment, as the catalyst to be able to keep going.
[21:32] There'd be nothing better than that.
[21:35] More of Vossi in a moment.
[21:36] Michael was coached to his three flags by an absolute giant of the game, Lee Matthews.
[21:42] We were privileged to feature Lethal on episode 241 of the show.
[21:47] What's the key to coaching young men to be a successful football side?
[21:54] Yeah.
[21:56] Yes, if I knew the answer to that, you'd do it every year.
[21:58] Yeah.
[21:59] I mean, I always think… But you did it four times.
[22:01] Yeah, yeah.
[22:01] Yeah, like trying to make the environment…
[22:06] what would you call it?
[22:06] It's got to be challenging and stimulating, but kind of enjoyable and being prepared to acknowledge each other and respect each other and congratulate each other.
[22:16] All the things that you would say are the emotional triggers to get the best out of your physical attributes.
[22:23] So I think if you sort of wanted to summarize it, I mean, coaching for me was trying to implement a whole lot of do's
[22:32] And then don'ts.
[22:33] That's what, so if you talk about what was the main coaching thing for me when I coached, so the 30 minutes on, you only had about 30 minutes each week in the review process.
[22:43] That's when I emphasized, this is what we're going to do more of.
[22:47] This is good.
[22:48] And this is what we've got to avoid doing.
[22:50] This is bad.
[22:52] And even the losing things, you almost preface it by saying, listen, I don't want to embarrass the individual involved.
[22:58] This is just a learning.
[23:00] We're trying to learn.
[23:01] These are our do's.
[23:02] These are our don'ts.
[23:04] That is the incomparable Lee Matthews on episode 241 of the podcast.
[23:12] Let's get back to Vossi.
[23:14] So we've talked about Vossi, what it's like coaching peak carp.
[23:20] Peak carp for 30 years, Blake Acres, finals.
[23:23] What is it like personally coaching Vossi?
[23:28] and doing the press conference week after week when you're losing this year.
[23:32] It's a good – mate, it can be emotionally zapping.
[23:35] It can be emotionally zapping.
[23:37] I have tremendous admiration for you all that can do that after a game and face the press and not lose your freaking mind.
[23:44] There's one out of the four games we've been able to finish and we've put ourselves in position to win the game and have the opportunity to be able to do that.
[23:54] So that's the positive.
[23:57] It doesn't help how I feel right now and how we all feel.
[24:00] Well, I think...
[24:02] I would be intrigued to see if any coach sits here and says the most enjoyable part of the week is preparing for the media, for the press, either after a game or pre-game.
[24:16] It's not our most favourite part of the week because the game's turned from...
[24:20] not just coaching football.
[24:21] It's about having opinion on all these things that are transpiring right throughout the game.
[24:27] But when you're a team that's under pressure and you're a team that's sort of – you come out and articulate it,
[24:34] what you've got to be really clear on is, I think as a leader at the start, is that how I show up is really, really important.
[24:39] That's on your boot.
[24:40] And I was never one to dive into what was being said.
[24:45] I didn't sit down and read papers.
[24:47] I didn't flick on TV shows to find out what they're saying about me or about us or about individual players.
[24:53] Must be hard to shut out in Melbourne, though.
[24:55] It's very hard to shut out.
[24:56] But at the same time,
[24:58] the point of having those diary reflections was to put it on something I could control, not what I couldn't control.
[25:04] And so talking through that and talking out loud and being able to go through my diary and sort of like use that as a forum to be able to express any concerns I had, but then be really crystal clear about what I needed to bring today, who I needed to be able to influence was really important.
[25:18] So-
[25:20] When you turn up on a day where you're talking to the media, it's like, okay, here's the opportunity.
[25:23] They've got a role to play.
[25:25] So they've got a role to play in the sport as much as what the players do.
[25:29] Where's the opportunity in that?
[25:31] Who can I influence today?
[25:32] What message can I put out there that might make a difference?
[25:36] And that's the way I've sort of tried to look at it.
[25:38] It doesn't always come out exactly as you want, but I think if you come with that intention, you start with the right thing.
[25:44] So what went wrong?
[25:46] At the start of the season?
[25:48] Oh, well, at the start of the season was the first game.
[25:51] We got third quarter.
[25:52] It was like an avalanche at the start.
[25:54] Yeah.
[25:55] I was really – what was really disappointing was that, you know, I saw a group of players that had elevated themselves in learning about the things that didn't work the year before and the locker room not being in a great place.
[26:12] And then being able to change that and the positivity that was in the locker room.
[26:17] So it didn't matter what the results were.
[26:19] I thought the players came in every single day trying to get better and were in a great place.
[26:25] I think what I underestimated was...
[26:27] um, over the course that while individually, as I said, I probably could feel like I could take the bullets.
[26:34] I reckon we're all feeling a little bit of the pressure.
[26:37] Um, and that was sort of leads as well.
[26:39] Like you were, you were dominating games and then protecting, protecting the scoreboard rather than playing at the game.
[26:46] Um, it's frustrating because people look at it and go, Oh, they've, they've, they've, they've changed styles.
[26:51] It's like, you don't change, we haven't changed styles.
[26:53] Like the intensity has gone up.
[26:55] Um,
[26:56] you know, we've probably lowered our intensity.
[26:58] Maybe we're protecting the scoreboard rather than going at it.
[27:02] And so you've got to slowly work your way through that.
[27:05] It's very frustrating.
[27:06] You don't have to remind a head coach that winning is actually a very important part of the process.
[27:12] So, but you've got to keep teaching.
[27:14] You've got to keep nurturing, keep supporting, keep challenging.
[27:18] And hopefully they get it in time.
[27:21] I just felt like the right thing to do in the end was to step away.
[27:24] How did you come to that realisation?
[27:26] Yeah.
[27:27] I guess we were sitting and thinking about what are the circuit breakers we could do here?
[27:33] What was it actually going to take?
[27:36] And then the second question was that if we're looking at this lens of what's in the best interest of the club, what needs to happen?
[27:43] And there's a lot of other things that were sort of happening at that particular time.
[27:46] And clearly –
[27:48] the club was working out whether I was the guy that was going to take them forward and sort of felt like that they weren't sure on that and to rip the Band-Aid off.
[27:59] And so when I sort of see when it transpired, it's very easy to be able to sit back and go, oh, I could have hung on.
[28:06] No, well, you can't say that the same thing would have happened.
[28:11] Josh and the team and the players and the leaders are doing a bloody great job.
[28:14] So they deserve all the acknowledgement for what's happening right now.
[28:20] I had the evidence in front of me.
[28:22] I can't look back on hindsight and I thought it was the best thing to do.
[28:25] So that's why I did it.
[28:27] Who do you tell first?
[28:30] I told – who do I tell first?
[28:33] I actually told probably my manager first.
[28:39] Who's your manager?
[28:40] Peter Blucher.
[28:40] Right.
[28:42] I told my wife a little bit further down the track because I thought either tell her really early or tell her really late.
[28:50] Right.
[28:51] So I went with late, but she knew as well.
[28:56] As you said, it's a family journey, not just your journey.
[29:00] What's your emotion when you think, right, that's it, I'm going to step away, take yourself back?
[29:06] What's your emotion?
[29:07] Is it?
[29:08] Relief, excitement, disappointment, being numb, what is it?
[29:14] I couldn't tell you.
[29:17] I actually couldn't tell you.
[29:18] But in the end, I do feel deep down not content.
[29:22] It's not the right word, but I feel like the right thing's been done.
[29:26] I think that now the results are showing that the right thing's been done.
[29:29] But at the same time, if I went back still, you know, whatever it is, 10 weeks ago, I still think the right thing's been done.
[29:37] And when you've been wrestling with that for four or five weeks already and you've sort of been thinking about what's the right thing to do here, when all of this starts to transpire, what I think is part of it though is actually really important to sit and go, okay, if I'm three weeks into the future and text messages have stopped, there's no emails,
[30:01] I don't have to wake up to get the team ready.
[30:04] We could have won three in a row.
[30:05] We could have lost three in a row.
[30:06] Am I still okay with the decision?
[30:09] And the answer was yes.
[30:10] That's a good way of looking at it.
[30:11] So I think that told me the right thing to do.
[30:16] It doesn't mean it didn't feel awkward in three weeks' time or four weeks' time.
[30:21] But I needed to sort of get to a place where I knew that in three weeks' time,
[30:26] if I was still okay with it or at least put that scenario in front of me, that it was probably the right thing to do.
[30:30] Did you speak to the players?
[30:32] I didn't speak to the players beforehand.
[30:34] So I spoke to them.
[30:35] Unfortunately, I spoke to Kripa the night before.
[30:38] What are you saying?
[30:38] But I'd already made that decision.
[30:40] So I'd already spoken to some players about just how we're going and
[30:47] One of the great things I had was a great relationship with the guys.
[30:51] And so we'd talk about, how are you going?
[30:52] Because I think you can ignore the leaders.
[30:55] You think they're okay.
[30:56] They're all okay.
[30:57] But you've got to check in on them.
[31:00] So I guess there's probably a period of time, more particular with Kripa, where we're just checking on each other.
[31:05] How are you going?
[31:06] And he'd go, how are you going?
[31:07] And you get to have that little bit of a chat.
[31:09] So he probably knew where I was thinking without knowing the full version.
[31:13] They're honest answers for people that don't live in this city and don't have a full understanding of the media frenzy when someone is potentially out.
[31:23] This clip brought it home to me from Channel 7 News.
[31:25] Mitch Cleary is reporting on what's happening the day you're announcing that you're stepping away from the football club.
[31:32] So this is how football mad this place is.
[31:37] Arriving home moments after the news broke, Voss jumped multiple fences alongside a nearby canal to avoid cameras to visit the club for a final time.
[31:46] One neighbour thought she was being robbed.
[31:48] That's Melbourne and their approach to football.
[31:50] So you're jumping fences, your next-door neighbour thinks you've got a machete and you're going in the back door, and that's Melbourne and football and stress.
[32:01] Not pressure, stress.
[32:02] Yeah, and also...
[32:04] Like – Did you jump the fences?
[32:06] I jumped one fence.
[32:07] Right, okay.
[32:08] Yeah, multiple fences probably go to the stretch.
[32:09] One fence.
[32:11] But, yeah, I got out the back and my daughter helped me move the car and get around to the other side.
[32:16] And I just felt like it was important to – again, once the decision had been made, I gave it a lot of thought about how it was going to happen.
[32:28] Yeah.
[32:29] And unfortunately, the step I wanted to take didn't happen because it already got out in the public forum.
[32:34] I was actually in the gym early that morning.
[32:38] I'd gone to the gym and I sort of had- Working on the chest.
[32:39] Working on the chest, trying to do some bicep curls.
[32:43] And a guy came over to me and says, oh, mate, congratulations on your career.
[32:47] And I was like, it's out.
[32:50] So that was, I don't know what, 10 past seven in the morning or thereabouts.
[32:55] And then I sort of turned the phone around because I had the music on.
[32:58] I had to turn the phone around and sort of my phone started to light up with text messages.
[33:01] So I thought, okay, it's out.
[33:04] When I turned up, I was actually talking to Walshie on the phone when I turned up.
[33:08] So I wasn't expecting him to be out the front so quickly.
[33:11] But that's a byproduct of, like you said, the environment.
[33:16] And what I've just learned, there's a lot that's not real.
[33:20] And, you know, that's the big part.
[33:25] You've got to make sure you give it your own meaning.
[33:28] And so it was very important for me about how that day went down.
[33:35] I felt like the club needed to have the space to explain their scenario and we didn't need to be clouded by me sitting there beside them.
[33:44] Always awkward, that press conference.
[33:46] Yeah.
[33:46] I don't see the win in that.
[33:47] Yeah, and I sat...
[33:48] You know, the last time against Brisbane, when I was removed from Brisbane, I had the CEO and the chairman.
[33:54] I was there.
[33:55] I watched that.
[33:56] I looked back at the photos and I hate that I sat there.
[33:59] Right.
[34:00] Why?
[34:00] Well, I sat there on behalf of the club trying to do the right thing.
[34:04] I thought, that doesn't look right.
[34:07] I don't believe in that.
[34:07] And if I don't believe in it, I'm not going to do it.
[34:12] So I felt like the important thing was the club –
[34:16] went down the path they needed to, they got the space that they needed to, but also I needed the space to be able to communicate what I felt like was important and for people to get the full explanation, not just get soundbites.
[34:29] And I felt that that was achieved.
[34:31] Michael Boss, thank you for choosing afl.com.au.
[34:34] Thanks, Damo.
[34:35] Good to be here.
[34:36] Is it?
[34:37] Not really.
[34:39] No, you'd like it to be different, clearly.
[34:42] But, yeah, I think...
[34:44] At peace with it.
[34:45] At peace with it.
[34:45] Yeah.
[34:46] You know, it had a few days to think about it.
[34:51] And then you get sort of the final pieces of the puzzle.
[34:55] But there's one thing knowing it and there's another thing saying it.
[34:58] And today, obviously, you get to say it.
[35:00] Were the emotions raw then when you get to speak to the players?
[35:04] Yeah.
[35:04] Yeah, I did a couple of times.
[35:07] So I think you sort of walk in thinking you're doing okay.
[35:09] There's plenty of people checking in on that.
[35:12] But then when you've actually got to say the words.
[35:13] I think the big thing with everything is it's all about people for me.
[35:19] It always has.
[35:22] The job that you do is about moments and sharing memories.
[35:26] Clearly, obviously, the highs are the four points and the big wins and some of the premierships.
[35:32] finals that you win but um but you know often what we do is we go in behind the four walls and we sort of uh got a job to do and you know we're under a lot of under a lot of duress at times um but you stick together as a group and you find you form a lot of memories and so you know talking to those people is tough and then once it was achieved it's you know i move on
[35:54] And as I said to many of the players, like, get on with the job.
[35:58] Stop texting me.
[36:00] Get on with the job.
[36:00] You've got a job to do.
[36:02] And they've done it.
[36:03] Well, they have.
[36:03] So the moving on part, I think you went overseas, didn't you, I think?
[36:06] Yeah, for a little while, yeah.
[36:08] So...
[36:09] When do you check a Carlton score or when do you watch Carlton play football again?
[36:15] Like afterwards?
[36:16] Like the next week, are you checking the score or are you watching?
[36:19] No, I watched, yeah.
[36:20] Right.
[36:20] No, I watched.
[36:21] How was that?
[36:21] I've only missed a couple of their games.
[36:23] Now that.
[36:24] No, it's okay.
[36:25] Vossi, currently these days I was watching the AFLW game against Ireland and they had Darcy Moore, et cetera, doing a watch-along.
[36:32] Yeah.
[36:33] Watching along with the coach the week after he stepped away from his heart and soul.
[36:37] That's a watch along that I'm watching along with.
[36:40] No, the watch along would have been the game I missed through COVID when I was sitting in my lounge room.
[36:44] Right.
[36:44] And I was only my second.
[36:46] Not good.
[36:46] Right.
[36:46] Not good.
[36:48] So my family cleared out big time.
[36:50] I mean, they had to stay away from me anyway.
[36:53] But no, that was really emotional.
[36:54] So how's this experience been, seeing the club now have
[37:00] tremendous success.
[37:03] It's – I think it's sort of in some ways when you watch them now play, I look at them and think –
[37:11] when I watch them, I see them play.
[37:13] I see with freedom they play with, I see with the smile on their faces.
[37:17] Um, I see the brand of football that they're playing.
[37:21] Um, and that, that gives me, um, you know, warms my heart a bit.
[37:26] It's not, I'm not going to say it's rewarding because it's like, clearly I'd love to be there to experience the reward with them.
[37:31] Yes.
[37:32] Um,
[37:33] But, yeah, to be able to sort of see the significance that it's made, that's been particularly impressive.
[37:39] And I would anticipate, I don't know when this goes out, Howie, I'd anticipate hopefully at least they're figuring in the wildcard round.
[37:45] I thought their form would say that they deserve so.
[37:49] And this becomes a catalyst for them to be able to carry whatever they need to into the future.
[37:54] So I've played my role and it's now somebody else's turn to play their role.
[38:00] I think the football club's been very, very lucky to have you, and I appreciate your answers.
[38:04] I only want to ask you about a couple of other things.
[38:07] Probably the final video I show you, I showed you peak Michael Voss taking on Scotty Burns.
[38:14] Melbourne has had issues, let's be honest, Vossie, with crime in more recent times.
[38:19] I now have to show you peak Michael Voss going to get a coffee and some young punks messing with the Lions champ.
[38:28] From coach to community cop, Michael Voss steps in to apprehend two suspected car thieves who'd just flipped a stolen Mercedes.
[38:37] They sprinted up the street.
[38:39] Michael Voss started chasing them, and so I chased after them as well.
[38:43] The Carlton coach was at a Hawthorne cafe around 8.50 this morning when the car spun out at speed next to a school crossing with families nearby.
[38:51] Two guys come out in there and run away.
[38:56] Vossi's still pretty quick.
[38:58] Vossi's very fit, very quick.
[39:00] I think he's got a very quick sort of 20, 30 metre dash.
[39:05] That's my bit.
[39:05] He's still got a quick 30-metre dash.
[39:08] This is like Batman protecting the residents of Gotham City.
[39:14] So you're off to have your coffee.
[39:16] What happened, Vossie?
[39:17] And well done to you for flexing those big biceps and just containing a little bit of a crime outbreak in the mean streets of the Bayside suburbs.
[39:26] Well, firstly, I wouldn't do it again, that's for sure.
[39:29] But I saw the whole thing unfold because, yeah, come around that roundabout,
[39:33] He clipped the edge of the roundabout and there's an actual kids crossing right there.
[39:38] So lucky no kids were actually there.
[39:41] And then flipped it and then I sort of thought, oh, well, my first instincts was go over to check who was the driver because I'm thinking, oh, I hope they're okay.
[39:48] And the closer I got as people started to pop their heads out, I realized, okay, this is a bit more than that.
[39:54] Pretty young to be driving.
[39:55] Pretty young to be driving.
[39:57] So the first guy got out, threw his backpack out.
[40:01] He was a bit older than the second.
[40:04] And then I sort of thought, I'll take Fido so at least I've got the evidence.
[40:07] And then there was some point in time where I went, nah, bugger it, let's have a go.
[40:11] I'll try and catch one again.
[40:13] So when you went bugger it, what happened?
[40:16] Well, there's a hill up there, so I wasn't exactly in peak condition.
[40:19] 30 metres according to James Lesky, the cafe owner, you were like Usain Bolt.
[40:23] Nah, they switched off.
[40:24] They sort of got away quick and then they thought they were okay.
[40:28] And then so I took off and then –
[40:31] I was hoping that they wouldn't turn around until really late.
[40:33] And then I was probably about 40 metres away and they turned and saw me and then they knew that the race was on.
[40:40] So we sort of ducked around and jumping over wheelie bins and sort of jumping over fences.
[40:45] And the first guy that was jumped out of there, I just missed him.
[40:49] I tried to grab his foot and he got over the fence.
[40:52] But the other one was trying to make his way over.
[40:55] The fence, I just grabbed him and got him on the ground and sort of had him parked.
[41:00] No, I was actually – I'm not joking.
[41:02] It wasn't a story I was trying to tell.
[41:03] I was actually coaching him through his life choices.
[41:06] I was like, oh, mate, what are you doing?
[41:08] Why you got him on the ground?
[41:09] I got him on the ground.
[41:10] Like, what are you –
[41:11] What are you doing, mate?
[41:14] He's stealing cars.
[41:15] Is he responding to this?
[41:17] Yeah, he was.
[41:17] He was talking to me, but he was obviously a bit concerned and he wanted to make a phone call to a few people and he was asking to make a phone call to a couple of people, including his mum.
[41:25] Oh, that's a tough phone call to mum.
[41:26] That's a tough phone call to mate.
[41:27] Was he a football fan?
[41:28] He was.
[41:29] As a mum, I'm just...
[41:32] Michael Vosch has got me in a headlock.
[41:34] As a parent, I'm concerned.
[41:36] I didn't know that time.
[41:37] So I picked him up.
[41:39] The two mobile phones fell out.
[41:41] The other guy rang the mobile phone.
[41:43] I picked it up and said, mate, I've got you, mate.
[41:45] You need to come back.
[41:48] And what I didn't know is they didn't really know each other at all.
[41:51] So I was peppering the other one that I was sitting on sort of saying, who is he and where's he from?
[41:56] And he's going, I don't know him.
[41:57] I'm going, oh, crap, mate.
[41:59] Like you just, you know, been in the car with him.
[42:02] So trying to work all that out.
[42:03] And then obviously as –
[42:05] It transpired, I sort of moved him from there to further up the field, trying to keep him away from people.
[42:11] And then the police came around the corner.
[42:13] And so I was holding him pretty tightly just so he couldn't move.
[42:18] And then when the police came, the first thing they asked him was, are you holding a weapon?
[42:23] Yeah.
[42:24] And he said, I've got a knife in my side there.
[42:29] You need to take it out, sticking into my leg.
[42:32] And so we were sort of standing off at that particular time.
[42:35] And so the officers sort of lifted the shirt up and then there was this handle that was probably about that long.
[42:40] Oh, wow.
[42:43] I'm looking, looking, I was like, I was sitting on that.
[42:46] So it showed you the situation and just how dangerous it could have been and not worth it.
[42:53] So I would have done that completely different.
[42:57] But –
[42:58] Yeah, it's just one of those real against the real moments.
[43:00] It's like Scotty Bones.
[43:00] Yeah, Scotty Bones are over again.
[43:01] You don't really sort of think about what you're doing.
[43:03] I just said it was really instinctive to sort of get off and chase him and try and catch one of them.
[43:08] I was hoping for both, but I only got one.
[43:10] But they eventually ended up catching both of them.
[43:12] Before we finish, so.
[43:14] It's a long story though, isn't it?
[43:15] But it's a great story.
[43:16] And I haven't heard it in detail.
[43:18] I didn't know he was ringing his mum saying, pretty much, Voss, you got me in a headlock.
[43:22] I hope he wasn't a Carver fan, was he?
[43:24] Well, the story goes, so there's an extension of the story because I've actually have caught up with him.
[43:31] Have you?
[43:32] Since you're a good man.
[43:32] He's had a caseworker that reached out and I sort of thought, you know, like, yeah, let's, yeah, I wouldn't mind sort of having that conversation.
[43:40] So I had that conversation with him.
[43:42] But then last year the boys went to a community camp, and I won't say where it was, but one of the boys was getting called Vossi.
[43:50] And it was relayed to some of our players that this was the guy that I actually did.
[43:55] which I'm really, I'm stoked because there were some things that he wanted to do and I'm not going to go into that because that's his own personal details, but part of it was to go play footy again and sort of get involved in that sort of stuff.
[44:07] So I was actually really pleased that he'd followed through on some things that he said he was going to do.
[44:11] So hopefully he's doing really well.
[44:14] Shout out to our man.
[44:15] I had a really bad situation.
[44:16] Hopefully something good comes out of it.
[44:18] So I don't think you'd be able to answer this because of sort of what you said earlier on.
[44:21] So if you don't choose a career of fighting crime a la Batman, like you're working with Fox now and I'm sure there's a job there as long as you want it in the media.
[44:31] Do you have...
[44:33] Any idea of what you would like to do?
[44:35] Like you've got this vast wealth of experience in that world of culture and leadership and, you know, it's not the world's most stressful job to work in the media, I wouldn't think, turning up all care, no responsibility.
[44:48] Like do you have any idea?
[44:49] Like you've got so many skills.
[44:50] No, I don't.
[44:51] I think the hardest part is that's probably coming to that point at some time and sort of going, well, my passion for a long period of time is I've had a lifetime of learning learning,
[45:02] about high performance, about high performing teams.
[45:07] You know, I've reflected a lot about that.
[45:10] My short-term, the short-term part is I do want to write a book, but I don't want it to be about kicks, marks, handballs.
[45:17] I want it to be about sort of what I've learned over the journey and maybe impart some of that wisdom.
[45:21] But I've learned so much around training methods and, you know, and some of that leadership and culture and team dynamics and, you know,
[45:29] how to manage people and workflows.
[45:33] So I've spent a heap of time in that space.
[45:37] I'm very passionate about coaching landscape right now.
[45:43] I feel like we still don't wrap enough support
[45:46] around our coaches.
[45:46] I don't think we do.
[45:47] That's pretty obvious.
[45:48] Yeah.
[45:48] And I'm not just talking from a resource point of view here.
[45:52] I think we can do a hell of a lot better as football clubs, understanding the role coaches play within our environment.
[46:02] So very passionate about that.
[46:03] But then also, you know, there might be just a different path
[46:07] that I want to go down.
[46:09] It doesn't mean it can't include some of those things, but my first instincts is I feel like I need a bit of a rest.
[46:14] Yeah.
[46:15] And just to step away from that weekly churn of, you know, sort of looking for the win, looking for four points and, you know, trying to climb the ladder.
[46:25] Maybe I just need to step back a little bit.
[46:27] I haven't worked that out yet.
[46:28] I don't want to come up with that answer just yet.
[46:30] I'm quite a sort of happy to sit.
[46:32] quite level at this point in time and let things figure it out.
[46:35] We always finish this podcast the same way, Bossy.
[46:37] You've had extraordinary success in the field of football.
[46:42] We have a lot of young people listening.
[46:43] I always say this.
[46:44] I'll give you different examples.
[46:45] They might want to be camp footballs.
[46:48] They may want to be chemists.
[46:50] They may want to be...
[46:52] plumbers, they may want to be carpenters, they may want to be orchestral musicians.
[46:57] From your experience that you've had and the success you've achieved, what advice would you pass on to the younger minds out there that were privileged enough to listen to this show?
[47:05] Follow through what you believe in.
[47:06] Because there's a lot of people that tell you what not to do.
[47:09] You've got to follow through on what you really believe in, be really clear on who you are and what you bring.
[47:14] Yeah.
[47:15] And yeah, we're surrounded by, um, influences, you know, so that's far different to how I grew up.
[47:24] Um, there's so many inputs now to people that they can get sort of lost on, on who you are.
[47:31] Um, be really clear on what that actually looks like.
[47:34] Um, yeah.
[47:35] And understand that it's not – it's actually struggle is good.
[47:39] It's, you know, we sort of tend to – oh, struggles, not good.
[47:42] Well, struggles needed.
[47:45] And you've got to learn to work through your struggles because that's part of learning life.
[47:49] And so you work out ultimately through those experiences what you believe in, what's important to you, and probably what you want to become.
[47:57] And that's probably what my journey has been all about.
[48:00] My journey –
[48:02] has been about a lot of achievement, but it's been more about who I've become, not what I've achieved.
[48:08] It's a great way to finish.
[48:09] My final thought on that is, and kids don't steal cars.
[48:11] Don't do that.
[48:14] And finally, I hope we get to the end of this footy season and Fox have a little function and I can buy you a beer.
[48:19] With a library card.
[48:20] With a credit card.
[48:22] Mate, you're a star.
[48:23] You handled yourself so well.
[48:24] Thanks for coming on the Howie Games.
[48:25] Thanks, mate.
[48:25] Well done.
[48:26] Appreciate it.
[48:28] Michael Voss, he has given the game so much, and for mine, he has still so much to offer.
[48:34] What a wonderful chap he is, an absolute legend.
[48:36] Good man, he's a good man.
[48:37] Until next week when our Millionaires Club kicks off.
[48:41] Peace and love.
[48:43] And we can do it if we try, try, try.
[48:50] If we try, try, try.
[48:55] If we try, try, try.

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