# The Big Five - Australian Sporting Moments 🇦🇺🥇

An episode of [The Howie Games](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1146329262), 28 Jun 2026, 1 h 06 min.

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What are the five greatest Australian sporting moments of all time? 🇦🇺🏆 On this episode of The Big Five, Howie and The Chief, Jason Dunstall, count down the greatest Australian sporting moments ever. From unforgettable victories and incredible upsets to the iconic performances that brought the nation to its feet, the boys reveal their personal top five and debate the moments that have shaped Australia. What's in your Big Five? 🏆🇦🇺 SUBMIT YOUR ANSWERS IN THE OFFICIAL BIG 5 SURVEY: https://forms.gle/9d9M7XddvMkYJWns6 NEW BIG FIVE EPISODES EVERY MONDAY! NEXT: Big Five Old School TV Shows 📺 Subscribe to The Howie Games on LiSTNR, Spotify or Apple Podcasts. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] A listener production.
[0:04] Hey, crew, just before we roll, with the big five Aussie sporting moments of all time, on reflection we have realised so many of the people mentioned have appeared on the Howie Games pod.
[0:14] So at times through this podcast you'll hear snippets from those interviews, but you can check out the full back catalogue in detail.
[0:21] On we go.
[0:32] Welcome along to the Howie Games Big Five with my man, my sporting hero, who used to watch as a kid.
[0:37] Now I get to sit alongside in the Big Five, the Chief, Jason Dunstall.
[0:41] How are you, my friend?
[0:42] I'm well, thank you, Howie.
[0:44] Some monumental tasks we had to attack again.
[0:47] Oh, mate, it's frustrating to do.
[0:49] What did you find frustrating about this?
[0:51] So we're doing Australian sporting performances.
[0:54] We are very good at sport.
[0:55] It's got to be said.
[0:56] We are.
[0:57] And then you've got to weigh up individual versus team.
[1:00] Yes.
[1:01] Which is always difficult.
[1:03] Comparing one area to the next, who the competition is.
[1:07] Is it a mainstream sport?
[1:09] So much difficulty.
[1:10] But you start researching some of these events, and I've got one today, Howie.
[1:15] that I know you won't have.
[1:16] Really?
[1:17] That has a backstory to it that has to be heard and listened to carefully to be believed.
[1:23] I'm all ears.
[1:24] My understanding is we've come in here.
[1:26] This was my concept.
[1:28] Yes, it was.
[1:28] You built it with me.
[1:29] It was my concept.
[1:30] The only feedback I've been given on the show so far from the production staff, MJ, Cass and Dars, is I need to wear jeans.
[1:36] So I've actually had to wear long pants.
[1:38] And we can't say what is in it, but you are now like guns and roses.
[1:45] I do.
[2:02] I was proud to go back through some of these, Chief, but there's some I couldn't get in, but I don't want to give too much away.
[2:09] So a bit of a cryptic question.
[2:11] Are any of your big five involving animals?
[2:20] No.
[2:20] Okay.
[2:21] Well, therefore, I can say Maccabi Diva and Farlap were in the midst for me, but I don't know if you can put a horse in an Australian performance.
[2:29] Where do you sit on that?
[2:31] And then you have to check the breeding to make sure they're Australian, not just raced in Australia as well.
[2:35] That's right.
[2:36] That's right.
[2:36] That's right.
[2:37] Well, I mean, a lot of the great staying horses too are bred in New Zealand.
[2:42] Yeah.
[2:42] But we regard New Zealand as part of Australia.
[2:44] Well, it's like Crowderhouse and Russell Crowe until Russell does something wrong.
[2:48] That is a Kiwi.
[2:50] I genuinely considered...
[2:53] Maccabi Diva.
[2:54] Okay.
[2:54] Because.
[2:55] I did.
[2:56] It actually didn't cross my mind.
[2:57] Three Melbourne Cups and it lifted the nation.
[3:00] That third one when Bossy got across the line the third time.
[3:04] But a champion becomes a legend.
[3:07] Maccabi Diva has won it from Adorado.
[3:10] Correct.
[3:11] Iconic.
[3:11] But then how do you separate that from a black caviar or a Winx?
[3:15] Or a Farlat.
[3:16] So it didn't go.
[3:17] One more before we get wrong.
[3:19] Do you have any form of tennis player in yours?
[3:24] No.
[3:24] Okay.
[3:26] So this was a tough one for me.
[3:28] The hardest one I found to leave out was Ash Barty winning the Australian Open.
[3:32] That's interesting, Ash Barty, yeah.
[3:37] Ash Barty is the Australian Open champion.
[3:42] Massive.
[3:43] But that was part of her ascension to the number one player in the world, wasn't it?
[3:46] She was a superstar who, you know what I love, retired on her own terms.
[3:50] So I was tossing up with her and then I was looking at Margaret Court.
[3:53] Hmm.
[3:55] 24 women's singles titles, 64 major titles.
[3:59] I met Margaret Court Chief before we get rolling many years ago working for Channel 7, and she's heavily involved in the church, which is not really my go, but she was a wonderful interview, and she was involved in a certain type of healing.
[4:10] And mid-interview, she asked me, the true story, Chief, whether I suffered any ailments, and I hurt my PCL playing football.
[4:17] And the great Margaret Court, without a word of a lie, put her hands on my knee as the faith to heal my knee.
[4:26] And didn't work, didn't.
[4:27] But that made me because of my lack of faith.
[4:29] Anyway, I thought about Margaret Court.
[4:31] I thought about Margaret Court.
[4:32] But again, you're comparing eras, aren't you?
[4:33] Yeah, and that makes it tough because I never saw her play.
[4:36] Okay, here we go with the big five best Australian sporting performances.
[4:40] Cue the stinger.
[4:41] Five.
[4:42] Five.
[4:43] Five.
[4:43] Number.
[4:44] Five!
[4:45] Where are you kicking us off, big boy?
[4:48] I'm going back to 2011.
[4:49] 2011, okay.
[4:51] When I still loved this sport.
[4:53] Oh, that's a bit of a negative.
[4:55] the sport of cycling, the 2011 Tour de France, Cadel Evans.
[4:59] Darwin Hedon.
[5:01] Extraordinary performance.
[5:02] So he's up against the likes of Alberto Conador, who's a two-time winner, Bradley Wiggins, the Schleck brothers, Frank and Andy from Luxembourg.
[5:10] It's the 98th Tour, 21 stages over 23 days.
[5:14] They travel nearly 3,500 kilometres, basically 163 kilometres per stage.
[5:21] Now, you've got to understand the enormity of this.
[5:24] Australians have never done particularly well at the Tour de France.
[5:26] It's basically a European sport.
[5:29] 75 plus Australians have competed in the Tour de France in the history of the event.
[5:33] The fact that you know that means you've probably gone down this path.
[5:36] I'm reasonably well-researched on Canel.
[5:39] We might have some information here.
[5:41] One of three non-Europeans ever to win the Tour de France.
[5:44] Correct.
[5:45] Well, now that the Americans have been.
[5:47] Lance has been redacted, shall we say, Chief.
[5:50] Correct.
[5:51] And that's when I fell out of love with the sport.
[5:52] Because I used to sit up religiously every year and watch every stage of the Tour de France.
[5:57] Were you a Lance man?
[5:58] Yeah, 100%.
[5:59] That's where I grew to love the sport.
[6:01] Me as well.
[6:01] Armstrong versus big Jan Ulrich.
[6:03] Jan Ulrich.
[6:04] When he looked back at him on the Alpe d'Huez, he just went, see you, Jan. See you later.
[6:08] Amazing.
[6:08] And now we know how he did that, Chief.
[6:10] See, these are the – but everyone was on them.
[6:11] Yes.
[6:12] Everyone.
[6:12] That's the thing that I – That's a whole other debate.
[6:14] Big five sports, Chiefs.
[6:15] Anyway, Cadell had been on the podium a couple of times but never looked like winning and didn't – Cadell always had to do it on his own because he didn't have the strength of team support that some of the others did.
[6:24] He had to chase down a four-minute breakaway on the torturous climbs of the Alps at one of the late stages.
[6:29] And then it comes to the last time trial, which is the second or third last stage of the tour.
[6:35] Schleck brothers.
[6:37] It's Andy Schleck that's leading by 57 seconds.
[6:41] Over our man Cadell.
[6:42] Okay.
[6:44] At the end of the time trial.
[6:46] Yes.
[6:47] Cadell hasn't just reeled in the 57 seconds.
[6:49] He's added...
[6:51] A minute 34.
[6:52] So he's blown them away.
[6:53] He's destroyed them.
[6:54] Destroyed them.
[6:56] Evans, look at his face here.
[6:57] He's charging around this thing.
[6:59] He is riding to win the Tour de France for Australia today.
[7:03] Absolutely amazing.
[7:04] And he's the only Aussie to ever win it.
[7:07] and he was the oldest winner post-World War II at 34 years of age.
[7:11] Phil Liggett, here he comes, swinging into the home straight, and as he lines up for that home straight finish now, this is the winning ride of the Tour de France.
[7:20] Bet your boots on it.
[7:22] Cadel Evans of Australia makes history today, Chief.
[7:25] This is the winning ride of the Tour de France.
[7:28] Bet your boots on it as Cadel Evans of Australia makes history today.
[7:32] Cadel Evans...
[7:33] There's some commonality here, isn't there?
[7:35] There is.
[7:36] There is.
[7:38] And lives, Chief, lives in my small town of Bowen Heads.
[7:42] Yeah.
[7:42] And literally, like, you see him drop his kids off to school, literally saw him three days ago just cruising around on a shop bike, Chief.
[7:51] Really?
[7:51] Just your old school bike just to ride down the shops to get some bread.
[7:54] I'll tell you a funny little story very quickly.
[7:57] Oh, please do.
[7:57] You don't need...
[7:58] Chief, it's the World of Podcasts.
[7:59] We have as long as you want.
[8:00] Again, many years ago, I used to get into a bit of riding.
[8:02] I used to do a lot of riding on the bike and I enjoyed it a long time ago when I was a bit fitter.
[8:06] But knew some guys that did a lot of riding to the point where they were semi-elite riders.
[8:12] And one of them, well, my mate was a mate of his.
[8:16] He was out riding, they were with Cadel Evans and they were doing a ride up Mount Buller.
[8:22] So just training on the hills of Mount Buller.
[8:25] And this guy was feeling pretty good about himself.
[8:29] And he was on Cadell's wheel.
[8:30] But he's going to take him.
[8:31] And he just, Cadell's looked back, just see how everyone's travelling, and he goes, pick it up, champ.
[8:40] To Cadell Evans, he said, pick it up, champ.
[8:41] He champed him.
[8:42] Yeah.
[8:43] So Cadell picked it up.
[8:45] And?
[8:46] See you later.
[8:48] Chiefy, he came on the podcast.
[8:50] Go back and listen to the episode.
[8:51] And it was one of the more extraordinary athletic feats that had ever been told on the show or ever has.
[8:57] I was asking about when you're at Alpe d'Az, you know, what is your heart rate going at?
[9:01] And he said, oh, at that stage when I'm really hammering, it's between 190, 194, 195.
[9:08] And the obvious question, so how long can you sustain that for, two or three minutes?
[9:11] Yeah.
[9:12] And he's like, oh, no, 50?
[9:13] Yeah, redlining it.
[9:15] For 50 minutes.
[9:15] Absolute redlining it.
[9:17] Okay, so what's a long period?
[9:17] Is it a minute, a half an hour?
[9:19] Is it an hour?
[9:21] An hour.
[9:22] My number five is Cadell Evans as well, Jamie.
[9:27] And we put him in the same spot.
[9:29] The moment you started reeling off all this information, I'll do it.
[9:31] Oh, well, research.
[9:32] We're all over it.
[9:33] However, I am going equal five top Australian sporting performances.
[9:41] alongside, and you'll be nowhere near this one.
[9:44] Okay, I'm going to, I don't think you'll get this from the commentary.
[9:48] This one is close to my heart because I saw it live.
[9:51] And I think ones you see live have even more impact on you because you understand the crowd and the surrounding.
[9:57] Just a short bit of commentary.
[9:59] Out, out, oh, down, no.
[10:01] We haven't seen everything, Hados, we haven't.
[10:04] Out, out, oh, down, no.
[10:08] We haven't seen everything, Hados, we haven't.
[10:11] Now the voice is New Zealand's Ian Smith.
[10:14] Yeah.
[10:16] And they are referring to a simple catch that should have been taken at short, fine leg, which would have meant this innings never took place.
[10:28] It was performed by Glenn Maxwell, who, in a World Cup match versus Afghanistan.
[10:35] Yep.
[10:35] Best innings I've ever seen.
[10:37] 201 not out of 128 balls.
[10:40] Now, people are going to come for me here, Chief, but I'll give you some stats and then I'll tell you my- And then we'll talk about the cramping and everything else.
[10:46] The whole works.
[10:47] The stats don't do it justice.
[10:49] Afghanistan made five for 291.
[10:50] It's in Mumbai.
[10:52] Now, if you go to the Wankedi, it is hot-
[10:55] as you would expect India to be.
[10:57] Maxie had bowled 10 overs.
[10:59] So 2 o'clock start, he'd bowled 10 overs in the heat of the day, which comes into the cramping.
[11:03] Everyone thinks the cramping is from the batting, but he'd bowled 10 overs and you know the way he feels.
[11:07] He's sprinting around the outfield.
[11:08] So Afghanistan made 5 for 291.
[11:11] Maxie came in at 4 for 49.
[11:13] That's the thing that people don't remember, is how poorly the top order had batted.
[11:17] And we were gone.
[11:17] Well, we lost to, I think, South Africa and New Zealand.
[11:20] We dropped this.
[11:20] Yeah, and we're out.
[11:21] We're out.
[11:21] See you later.
[11:22] Pack your bags.
[11:22] So we eventually go and win the World Cup.
[11:24] Now, if this innings is not played, I don't think we get there.
[11:27] So he comes in at four for 49.
[11:29] Australia, a seven for 91, Chief.
[11:32] Chasing 291.
[11:33] Yeah.
[11:33] Maxi is out there for 181 minutes, so three hours.
[11:37] He strikes at 157.
[11:37] He was given out on 27, leg before wicket to Noor Ahmed.
[11:46] overturned on review.
[11:49] And then Majib dropped him on 33.
[11:51] Yeah.
[11:52] The simplest catch I've ever seen.
[11:54] From their chief, he did not put a foot wrong.
[11:56] So I was in commentary when he brought up his 100.
[11:58] 100 for Maxwell.
[12:01] His second of this World Cup.
[12:04] Can he rescue Australia?
[12:05] Can he do it?
[12:06] And then my stint was done.
[12:08] So I thought, I'm going to go down and sit behind the side screen and watch this and get the IFB and listen to Smithy calling.
[12:14] Australia still had no hope at this stage.
[12:16] I'm thinking we're probably getting bundled out of the World Cup.
[12:18] He puts on, with Pat Cummins, 202.
[12:21] Yeah, and how many does Pat make?
[12:23] 12.
[12:24] Correct.
[12:25] 12 in the partnership, Chief.
[12:28] Australia get home.
[12:30] But I'll tell you what happened at the ground, but what are your memories of his physical condition?
[12:35] Well, he went into full body cramp that many times.
[12:37] So the cramp started and then it just started to get progressively worse.
[12:41] And I remember they did a special of it on Fox Cricket.
[12:45] I IQ'd it.
[12:45] So I've got it at home and I've watched it multiple times.
[12:48] To the point where I'm laughing because every time he moves, full body cramp.
[12:52] He's walking like a stiff man.
[12:54] He's lying down.
[12:54] They can't do anything.
[12:55] He's taken every supplement you can possibly have.
[12:58] He's had a couple of breaks.
[12:59] But he's our only hope.
[13:01] So he doesn't have the option of going off.
[13:04] But every time he played a shot, he'd go into cramp.
[13:06] But that was, I think that's when my hamstring cramped.
[13:09] So it went straight up my leg and I went, oh no, here we go.
[13:13] And then it was both legs and I was like, oh, this is trouble.
[13:16] So in the end, he's standing there.
[13:19] Just flicking with the wrists and the ball's disappearing over the fence.
[13:21] And it's clearing the rope.
[13:22] Because he couldn't run, couldn't take...
[13:25] He walked a single at one stage just to change in so he could get down the other end.
[13:28] To the point, Chief, Zampa came...
[13:30] There's big stairs at the Wanchetti to get down on the ground.
[13:33] Twice, he came halfway down the stairs, which you probably saw one on the coverage, maybe not the other, thinking, Max, he's cooked here.
[13:39] Yeah.
[13:39] But between...
[13:40] The thing that got me, Chief, between overbreaks, which you don't necessarily see on the coverage, but I'm sitting there watching it, two things stand out in my mind.
[13:48] At the end of every over, he would sit down and Pat would walk all the way down to his end.
[13:53] He couldn't even walk up.
[13:54] And the other thing, this is a kid from Melbourne, and by the time he got to 130...
[14:00] A big crowd, so it's mainly people from Mumbai, they are chanting Maxwell's name for the last 40 minutes of that game because the crowd, the cricket-loving crowd of the India Chief knew they were seeing something extraordinary.
[14:12] It is the best innings.
[14:13] I've seen Warner make triple centuries, but best innings I've ever seen.
[14:18] People will decry the quality of the opponent, but that doesn't understand the situation we're in and what was at stake.
[14:25] And I wondered through that innings, could he have been –
[14:29] acutely aware mentally of what he was doing and how he was managing that innings, or was he just on sort of autopilot battling the cramp?
[14:36] I think he was on autopilot because they got to a point where every ball went for four or six.
[14:40] Yeah, and he just sees a see ball, hit ball.
[14:42] That's all I'm doing.
[14:43] Won the game with a six to bring up the double hand.
[14:45] Brilliant.
[14:46] And Maxwell hits it.
[14:48] Oh, can it make it?
[14:51] It does make it.
[14:53] Good, Maxwell.
[14:55] Unbelievable.
[14:55] The most remarkable thing you'll probably ever see in cricket.
[14:58] I like it, though.
[14:58] Righto.
[14:59] I do like it.
[14:59] I've got a 5A and 5B, so I've broken the rules.
[15:02] Straight away.
[15:02] Okay, time for...
[15:04] Number four.
[15:04] That's first four.
[15:06] Number four.
[15:07] Okay.
[15:08] Oh, this is going to be controversial.
[15:10] Oh, is this your backstory one or not?
[15:12] No.
[15:12] Okay, this is controversial.
[15:14] This will be a lot of people's number one.
[15:16] Okay.
[15:18] So number four.
[15:19] Well, I could guess it, but I'm not going to.
[15:21] Number four.
[15:23] I have Cathy Freeman at the Sydney 2000 Olympics.
[15:27] You may have to leave the studio.
[15:30] How can you put Catherine Freeman at four?
[15:33] Jeez, your three must be good at two and one.
[15:35] They are good.
[15:36] Okay.
[15:36] They are good.
[15:36] Okay, run me through it.
[15:37] But here's the reason.
[15:38] Yep.
[15:39] So she'd won silver in 96, right?
[15:42] Atlanta.
[15:44] But Perrick is coming home to take the Olympic title once again.
[15:46] Perrick gets it.
[15:47] Freeman in second place.
[15:48] Oguncoyer in third.
[15:49] Davis in fourth.
[15:50] She then won two world championships in 97 and 99, heading to the 2000 Olympics in Sydney.
[15:59] And the fact is the woman that she had to beat
[16:05] Jose Marie Parec.
[16:06] Jose Marie Parec.
[16:07] The French lady.
[16:08] Had pulled out.
[16:09] Yes.
[16:10] In a hail of cameras and media.
[16:13] Controversy.
[16:14] At Sydney Airport.
[16:15] All sorts of things.
[16:15] So she won Atlanta.
[16:17] Yes.
[16:18] Marie Parec.
[16:18] Yes.
[16:19] Arrived as the big...
[16:20] Something wasn't quite right.
[16:23] Something wasn't quite right.
[16:24] We didn't know what was going on.
[16:24] And she didn't want to get beaten.
[16:26] Yep.
[16:27] And for that reason, I thought there were really only two chances and then one pulled out.
[16:31] Who was the other chance?
[16:32] Cathy.
[16:32] Right.
[16:33] Because she was the number one in the world.
[16:35] had just won the last world championship, two of the last three.
[16:38] So she was cantering.
[16:40] But it was the pressure of a nation that she carried, the pressure of her Indigenous background.
[16:46] She was the talk of the entire Games.
[16:49] She lit the flame, the Olympic flame.
[16:51] She was given that honour, which was incredible for her.
[16:54] And then she chose to wear the full body suit, Howie.
[16:58] I don't know why, because if you're trying to fly under the radar, that ain't the way to do it, is it?
[17:04] It's not, because I don't think she wore it in the lead-ups, did she?
[17:08] Well, have a look for the first time we've seen it.
[17:10] Full outfit.
[17:11] Very interesting.
[17:13] She must be confident or she wouldn't be wearing it.
[17:15] But, yeah, it's a bit of a surprise to me to wear something that's new.
[17:20] But then to be able to carry the weight of that pressure and just get the job done.
[17:25] But I think the reason I've got her at four, I understand.
[17:29] Four's good.
[17:30] Four's good.
[17:30] I understand how.
[17:32] significant the moment was and how iconic the call was and everything.
[17:37] I just thought we kind of expected her to win.
[17:39] And she did.
[17:40] And she carried the weight of the pressure and she did.
[17:42] Freeman gets to the front.
[17:43] Freeman leads by a metre.
[17:46] Rowan fighting on.
[17:47] But Freeman is too good.
[17:49] The crowd roaring.
[17:51] Freeman wins gold.
[17:53] Cathy's the winner.
[17:55] Australia the winner.
[17:56] Cathy Freeman is a national hero.
[17:59] Do you remember watching it?
[18:01] Vaguely.
[18:02] Okay.
[18:02] Vaguely.
[18:03] But again, that same thing, she'll win.
[18:05] Yep.
[18:06] And she did.
[18:07] It wasn't a – your point is really salient that it wasn't a shock surprise result.
[18:12] No.
[18:13] No.
[18:14] If she had – you remember when the Olympics you were at, Magnussen got beaten by Nathan Adrian as a red-hot favourite by one one-hundredth of a second in the men's 100 metre?
[18:23] And it was badged, as we do in this country, as a disappointment.
[18:26] I'd never thought of it that way.
[18:27] But if Catherine had won silver, it probably would have been seen as a disappointing result.
[18:32] Correct.
[18:33] Okay.
[18:33] I don't mind that.
[18:34] I reckon they...
[18:35] I know she's coming up later for you.
[18:37] You should get some strong feedback.
[18:39] Some strong feedback.
[18:40] Put it up on the board.
[18:41] So Catherine Freeman in at number four for you, Chieftain.
[18:45] I enjoyed this.
[18:46] And again, we talked about this with TV shows, the amount of...
[18:49] Information on YouTube, I went and watched a lot of these events back, a lot of these events back.
[18:56] I'll quote you another piece of commentary, Chief, by one of my favourite commentators who just simplifies things.
[19:08] He knows what he's going to say but then just delivers it cleanly and crisply.
[19:13] I'm going to leave out the name.
[19:15] There it is, a life changer.
[19:21] I assume he's an American caller?
[19:23] Yeah.
[19:23] It kind of sounded like it.
[19:25] I think it was an American accent.
[19:26] I started about me and then I went American.
[19:28] There it is as Australian.
[19:29] A life changer was American.
[19:32] This man that called it is an icon of American sports broadcasting.
[19:37] And he starts broadcasts with, hello, friends.
[19:43] And his name is Jim Nance.
[19:45] I love Jim Nance too.
[19:47] And he is calling, I'll put the name in now.
[19:49] He calls all sports over the journey, has, yeah.
[19:51] He's the voice of the NFL and he's the voice of the Masters.
[19:56] There it is, Adam Scott, a life changer.
[19:59] There it is, Adam Scott.
[20:06] A life changer.
[20:08] So coming in at number four for me is the first Australian to ever wear the green jacket, Adam Scott.
[20:17] You don't give me much here.
[20:19] Okay, I think he might appear in yours at some point.
[20:22] I think he might get a run.
[20:24] He might get a run, Ali.
[20:25] Okay, so Chief, I was in the UK in the late 1990s.
[20:35] And I was watching Greg Norman.
[20:38] Don't start.
[20:39] Don't get me started, Harry.
[20:40] Chief.
[20:40] It was the first time.
[20:42] I'm not an advocate for betting on sport.
[20:44] It was the first time I've ever bet on a sport in my life.
[20:47] And I went down to the, I think it was the William Hill.
[20:50] And because I was in England, Greg Norman was 15s.
[20:54] And I backed Greg Norman to win the Masters.
[20:56] And he led by, was it five shots?
[20:58] Let me take you through a true golf person growing up and how much I loved Greg Norman.
[21:06] And how much we dreamt about the Masters.
[21:07] So you've got to wind back.
[21:08] If you want to talk about the heartbreak of Greg Norman.
[21:10] Yes.
[21:11] You start in 1986.
[21:11] You're not going with Mars.
[21:13] You're not going with Mars.
[21:15] You start in 1986.
[21:16] Yep.
[21:17] He bogeys the last to miss the playoff against Jack Nicklaus.
[21:20] Hands it to Jack.
[21:20] Jack Nicklaus.
[21:21] Jack Nicklaus.
[21:23] Has just won his sixth Masters.
[21:27] Who wins at age, whatever it is.
[21:29] So then you go to 87 the next year.
[21:30] Next year.
[21:31] He's in a playoff.
[21:32] Larry Myers holes out an impossible chip that is going so far past the hole, and he gets beat again.
[21:38] It's missing the green.
[21:39] Correct.
[21:39] How's that look?
[21:45] Oh!
[21:45] Larry Myers, the 1987 Masters champion.
[21:50] And then 96, he leads Nick Faldo by six shots heading into the final round.
[21:54] Now, I got up to watch it, Howie.
[21:56] I was watching it in the UK, Chieftain.
[21:58] When they turned to the halfway mark, I went back to bed and turned it off because I could see the train wreck that was unfolding.
[22:03] That's one of the biggest comebacks I have ever experienced, ever.
[22:09] I think coming from six-pack, but what he run by.
[22:13] And he lost by five.
[22:14] So that was the background, the heartache of the Masters for Greg Norman and Australia.
[22:19] I don't want to show my hurt to them because to me, as I keep repeating it, it's just a game.
[22:27] And that's why I do it on my own.
[22:29] I just took a couple of beers, went down the beach, sat down and shed a tear.
[22:33] Which is why you're feeding Adam Scott.
[22:35] So I'm working in a pub in the UK watching Norman.
[22:38] It's called The Office.
[22:39] I'm getting 110 pounds a week.
[22:42] And at the time, Chief, I'll never forget there was a baked bean war on in the UK and you could buy baked beans for 2p and a loaf of bread for about 50p.
[22:50] That's what I was sustaining.
[22:52] And I'm thinking.
[22:53] Good cost of living for you.
[22:54] That's gold.
[22:55] I'm thinking there's a big steak come of my way because the shark's delivering at 15, Chief.
[23:01] And there was no steak.
[23:02] It was still baked beans.
[23:03] Hence, we get to Adam Scott.
[23:06] Yeah.
[23:07] So the remarkable thing about Adam Scott's win...
[23:10] So after the first round, he's shot three under, tied for 10th.
[23:15] After the second round.
[23:16] Tough round, round two.
[23:17] Tough.
[23:17] So he shot par.
[23:18] Correct.
[23:18] And made ground.
[23:19] Made ground.
[23:20] Went from 10 to three.
[23:21] You're very well researched.
[23:23] I'm across it, Howie.
[23:26] The third round, again, he shoots three under.
[23:28] He's six under, tied for third.
[23:30] Yeah.
[23:30] One shot behind.
[23:31] But a couple of holes to go.
[23:34] Leading.
[23:35] Jason Day.
[23:35] Jason Day.
[23:36] Correct.
[23:36] Three holes to go.
[23:37] Jason Day in front.
[23:37] What happened to Jason Day?
[23:39] Bogies 16 and 17.
[23:40] Out of contention.
[23:41] See you later.
[23:42] So you might as well.
[23:43] Seems you seem relatively au fait with this story, Chief.
[23:46] So he gets into a playoff.
[23:48] How does he get in the playoff, Howie?
[23:50] By holing, what are you calling it?
[23:53] 25 footer.
[23:53] 25 footer.
[23:54] On 18.
[23:55] Big punt.
[23:55] Big punt.
[23:56] Yep.
[23:56] Adam Scott.
[23:57] Yes!
[23:57] Unreal!
[24:02] So it goes in, I think the commentary is along the lines of, yes, unreal, and then they start mentioning the fact they reckon you've said, come on, Aussie, when it's gone in.
[24:11] True story?
[24:12] Yeah, that's right.
[24:14] Jim, did I just lip read him?
[24:15] He screamed, come on, Aussies.
[24:18] I'm sure he did.
[24:19] So that gets him in against the Argentinian.
[24:21] Well, actually, when he holds that putt.
[24:24] He's in front.
[24:25] Yes.
[24:25] And it could be his jacket.
[24:26] He's got an arm in the jacket, Chief.
[24:28] He's got an arm in the thing.
[24:29] I mean, Angel Cabrera.
[24:31] Angel!
[24:32] Hits it this far.
[24:33] That's right.
[24:34] Now, for those not watching, listening, Chief's going with it about 60 centimetres.
[24:37] They go to a playoff.
[24:38] Yep.
[24:40] I am...
[24:42] In raptures at home watching this, but I am scarred from Norman.
[24:47] I'm a positive dude.
[24:48] I'm thinking, Scott, he's got no hope.
[24:49] I think he's going down the same slippery slope.
[24:52] So they start on 18.
[24:53] Yep.
[24:54] Both pars.
[24:55] Yep.
[24:56] Scrambled pars.
[24:56] Scrambled pars.
[24:57] We get to the second playoff hole on 10.
[24:59] 10.
[25:00] They both hit the green.
[25:02] Cabrera misses his putt.
[25:04] Adam Scott has a 15-foot for better.
[25:06] Cabrera hit a good putt too.
[25:06] Yeah, hit a good putt.
[25:07] It was online.
[25:08] Yeah.
[25:09] 15-footer.
[25:10] There it is.
[25:11] Adam Scott, a life changer.
[25:13] What's your...
[25:15] But my main memory is that when he put the jacket on and it's dark because it went to the playoff and you can see all the flashes popping.
[25:22] Yeah.
[25:23] No, for me, it was more the internal realisation that Australian and an Australian had won the Masters, something that I wasn't sure was ever going to happen after what we'd been through with Norman.
[25:38] Unbelievable, magical moment.
[25:40] He is now officially the Wizard of Oz.
[25:44] From down under to on top of the world, Jim.
[25:46] And Ian Baker, Finch was in commentary as well, which was absolutely outstanding.
[25:49] And don't forget, Mark Leishman was right there on the last day as well.
[25:52] Leishman and Day were tied for fourth while Scott was third.
[25:56] I mean, it was an Aussie day.
[25:58] We just didn't know how it would unfold.
[25:59] But I had in the back of my mind, these three Aussies are all going to get stitched and we still won't win it.
[26:04] Do you remember the Leishman reaction?
[26:07] when he is playing it.
[26:08] Yes.
[26:08] Chief, run the people through that again.
[26:10] You seem really... No, I don't want to steal all your thunder.
[26:13] Please go.
[26:13] Well, Scott holds a putt and Leishman is in the middle of a Masters and had been in a position of winning himself.
[26:20] And in the background, in the background of this shot, you see Leish with the old Brett Lee chainsaw to celebrate for his great mate.
[26:27] Which shows you how much it meant to all of Australia.
[26:30] This was an Australian thing.
[26:31] We needed an Australian to win the Masters.
[26:33] That was what it was all about.
[26:34] And came on the podcast on episode 100, Chief, and talked about the fact that you get the green jacket for one year.
[26:40] Yeah.
[26:41] And he would do things like when his mates were coming around for a beer, he'd just leave the green jacket casually placed over the back of the couch.
[26:48] And his mates would walk in.
[26:48] Oh, sorry, boys.
[26:49] I forgot to put my jacket away.
[26:52] just to have it lying around the house.
[26:55] A few times I'd just leave it over the back of the sofa when we'd have friends coming over and stuff.
[27:01] And they'd walk in and, you know, sit on the sofa, and I'm like, hang on, just get off that jacket.
[27:07] They couldn't believe it's the jacket.
[27:09] Why wouldn't you, too?
[27:10] Why wouldn't you?
[27:10] Good fella, Scotty.
[27:11] Okay, great fella.
[27:12] So Adam Scott and Chief seem pretty well researched, but now we get to number three.
[27:18] Right.
[27:18] One, two, three.
[27:19] Number three.
[27:21] Okay.
[27:22] Now I need you to come with me here.
[27:23] I'm coming.
[27:24] Come with me.
[27:24] I'm going to tell a story.
[27:25] That doesn't sound like Adam Scott.
[27:26] No.
[27:27] I'm going to tell you a story here.
[27:28] Okay.
[27:28] I'm all ears, Chief.
[27:29] This is your background story.
[27:30] Yeah.
[27:31] We're going back to the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City.
[27:35] Mm-hmm.
[27:37] There's an Australian by the name of Peter Norman.
[27:39] Mm-hmm.
[27:40] He wins the silver medal in the men's 200 metres.
[27:45] He sets an Oceania record which lasts for about 56 years, I think it was.
[27:50] He runs 2006, remembering that how many years after that, it's 1919 now by Usain Bolt.
[27:59] But it's the story that arose out of this that is far bigger than any sporting event that there has ever been.
[28:08] So if you remember at the time, there was a lot of...
[28:11] racial tension and unrest in the United States of America.
[28:17] So there were two other athletes in that race.
[28:20] There was Tommy Smith and John Carlos, who came first and third.
[28:24] Peter Norman came second.
[28:26] Where were they from?
[28:27] They were from America, and they were African-Americans.
[28:30] Peter Norman running beautifully, and he's got them heading into the 100 metres.
[28:34] Peter Norman is flying on the outside.
[28:35] Here comes Eigenhair of West Germany.
[28:37] He's a threat.
[28:38] So too is the Trinidadian Roberts.
[28:40] In the centre of the field is Tommy Smith running through.
[28:43] Peter Norman runs a play.
[28:45] So they told Peter Norman, and this is where you have to come with me, they told him what they were going to do on the dais.
[28:51] They were going to make a Black Power salute.
[28:55] And they said, this is the bit that I love.
[28:57] It was John Carlos that when he said to Peter Norman, he said, A, do you believe in human rights?
[29:07] And B, do you believe in God?
[29:09] This is what he asked to Peter Norman?
[29:10] Yeah.
[29:10] And he said, yes to both.
[29:12] This is before the presentation?
[29:13] Yeah.
[29:13] And they told him what they were going to do and then said, will you support us?
[29:16] And he said, he was quoted saying, I expected to see fear in his eyes.
[29:20] I saw nothing but love.
[29:22] Wow.
[29:23] This is extraordinary.
[29:24] Peter was one of the best friends I ever had because he didn't have to do what he did.
[29:29] He didn't have to wear that button.
[29:30] And Peter had one of those insides where you can almost see through him.
[29:34] He was one of the most dignified individuals that I knew.
[29:38] And I'm happy to have known the guy.
[29:40] And I'm sorry that he couldn't compete in 72 games because of that.
[29:45] So fast forward, we get to the medal presentation.
[29:48] And if you remember that iconic pose where they've got the one hand raised with a black glove on, the black power salute.
[29:55] So they were supposed to both wear a pair of black gloves.
[30:00] John Carlos forgot his pair of gloves, so they only had two.
[30:03] So it was Peter Norman that suggested to them, split them and wear one each.
[30:07] That was Norman's suggestion?
[30:08] That was Norman's suggestion.
[30:09] Iconic photo.
[30:10] He also borrowed a human rights badge from a US rower, a white rower who was very cognisant of human rights and what was going wrong, and he wore that in support of them on the dais at the medal.
[30:27] Norman wore the badge.
[30:27] Norman wore the human rights badge.
[30:29] Now, John Carlos forgot his pair of gloves,
[30:30] it's the wash-up of this that you need to understand.
[30:33] So because of his support for that, and this is 1968, understand, Peter Norman returned home to Australia a pariah.
[30:43] So it was seen as a negative in Australia.
[30:45] It was seen as a negative.
[30:47] So he was outcast in the athletic world back home.
[30:52] All his state funding and coaching support disappeared.
[30:59] Never picked for the Olympics again despite the following Olympics on three occasions hitting the qualifying mark.
[31:06] So there was a blanket ban on him?
[31:07] Not invited to any events, including the Sydney 2000 Olympics in Sydney.
[31:17] Not invited.
[31:17] In the year 2000?
[31:19] It went for his whole life.
[31:22] the bias and the unofficial sanction against him.
[31:27] So when did it become celebrated as one of the...
[31:30] I'll tell you.
[31:31] Okay.
[31:31] So they didn't even invite him to the Sydney 2000 Olympics.
[31:35] 32 years later.
[31:36] The US Olympic Committee.
[31:38] flies him to Sydney for the Olympics as their guest of honour.
[31:44] The Americans did.
[31:44] The Americans did.
[31:46] Extraordinary.
[31:47] He dies in 2006, still a pariah.
[31:51] Tommy Smith and John Carlos serve as pallbearers at the funeral.
[31:55] In 2012, there is a government apology, a parliamentary apology
[32:04] And then off the back of that, he was awarded an order of merit posthumously by the AOC.
[32:15] And that to me is the quintessential example of something just completely transcending sport.
[32:22] A story that just came from nowhere.
[32:25] I love this story and I love that you've put him at number three.
[32:29] I was under the misconception that he would have been celebrated throughout his whole life for doing that.
[32:34] You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?
[32:35] Yeah.
[32:36] So Peter Norman goes in at three.
[32:38] Yep.
[32:38] Yep.
[32:40] I can't argue, Chief.
[32:40] Outcast for the rest of his life for supporting human rights back in 1968.
[32:44] I like where you've gone.
[32:46] I like the way you've told the story too.
[32:47] I think we need more Chief Story time.
[32:48] It's left field, isn't it?
[32:49] No, but it was put him on your board.
[32:50] Put him on your board.
[32:52] You've captured me with that one.
[32:55] You've captured me with that one.
[32:56] I can see why it would be high.
[32:58] Yeah, I honestly thought that, presumed, that he would have been celebrated from that moment on for the rest of his life.
[33:04] Okay.
[33:06] So, Cadell Evans, Cathy Freeman, and Peter Norman.
[33:08] I was actually angry researching that.
[33:10] Yeah.
[33:10] You did a fair bit of research too.
[33:12] Okay.
[33:12] My number three, and I'll equate with another commentary line.
[33:16] In isolation, this is as bad a job as you could do in sports commentary, and you're looking at me like that.
[33:26] But due to the moment, it works.
[33:31] It is talking all over the top of the main commentator.
[33:36] So I'm going to quote you back the special comments man.
[33:38] In isolation, he has broken every rule in sports commentary in the space of 10 seconds.
[33:43] But because of the moment, it's iconic and it works.
[33:48] He mentions a name.
[33:50] that he just randomly throw this name in, at which point you'll probably get it.
[33:55] But there was no cognizant thought.
[33:57] His thoughts were just spewing out his mind.
[34:00] This is number three big Australian sporting performances.
[34:03] Are you ready for this?
[34:03] This is extraordinary commentary.
[34:05] I've got to get a bit of energy about it, okay?
[34:07] Is there an accent?
[34:08] No, no, no, no.
[34:11] No accent this time.
[34:12] Here we go.
[34:13] Go on, go on, my son, go on.
[34:15] Come on, Australia, Johnny Warren.
[34:17] Go on, my son.
[34:20] Makes no sense.
[34:22] Have you got the moment?
[34:23] Well, I assume it's John Aloisi's penalty.
[34:25] It is John Aloisi's penalty.
[34:28] John Aloisi, the Confederation's Cup hero, has done it.
[34:44] And that was Craig Foster.
[34:46] Ah, gotcha.
[34:46] Simon Hill is doing it.
[34:48] Australia's on the way to the World Cup.
[34:49] Yeah.
[34:49] And he's just randomly dropped in Johnny Warren in the midst of it again.
[34:54] Yeah.
[34:56] I was at this event.
[34:57] It's probably the last sporting event almost, Chief, that I've been to that I wasn't working at.
[35:00] Yeah.
[35:00] The moment being there would have carried so much extra weight.
[35:05] Bit of backstory and then I'll tell you about the moments in the crowd that I can remember.
[35:09] So as we so often did in the Oceania group, we had to end up playing the fifth place South American qualifier.
[35:17] Yeah.
[35:17] So the first four South Americans got through.
[35:19] Who normally gives us a touch-up.
[35:21] So the previous World Cup, it was Uruguay, and Musket scored a penalty at the MCG in 2001.
[35:27] Then we went to Montevideo, Chief.
[35:29] Talking about backstories.
[35:31] It was outrageous what our Uruguayan brothers did.
[35:34] They sat up outside the hotel.
[35:36] They were beating drums all night.
[35:38] It was an aggressive scene at the airport.
[35:40] If you go back and look at the airport scenes, players reported being spat on by our Uruguayan brothers, who then went out in front of 100,000, touted up 3-0.
[35:50] They went to the World Cup, and again, the Socceroos missed out.
[35:52] We went to Montevideo and, you know, there were people at the airport waiting for us and spitting on us and, you know, abusing us.
[36:01] But I ended up playing with two Uruguayans at Osasuna and they told me that they did that, they paid...
[36:09] homeless people to come and abuse us.
[36:12] And so that's... Did it put you on your heels?
[36:15] It did put us on our heels.
[36:16] Now we fast forward, Chief.
[36:17] We fast forward four years later.
[36:20] We go to Uruguay.
[36:21] And again, our brothers in Montevideo, they're pretty aggressive.
[36:25] Take your earmuffs.
[36:27] Take your earmuffs.
[36:28] But we get out of it with a 1-0 loss.
[36:31] And we come back to the Olympic Stadium once again, where you were talking about Cathy Freeman.
[36:36] Australia scores...
[36:38] This is the golden generation of the Socceroos.
[36:41] The names you know, Schwarzer, Kuhl, Bresciano, Aloisi, Kale.
[36:46] Vaduka.
[36:46] Vaduka.
[36:47] Yeah.
[36:47] Who missed a penalty?
[36:48] He did too.
[36:49] The one that caused problems.
[36:52] Chief, he nearly stubbed his toe, the big V-bomber.
[36:55] When Vaduka missed his penalty, I was confident through the penalty shootout.
[36:58] When Vaduka missed his, I got a little bit nervous.
[37:01] Mark Vaduka.
[37:02] And rightly so.
[37:03] He's played a captain's role.
[37:07] Mark Vaduka.
[37:09] Oh, he's put it wide.
[37:17] Would you believe it?
[37:18] So it goes to penalties.
[37:20] Schwarz is the hero.
[37:21] He saves two penalties.
[37:22] Yeah, he does too.
[37:23] Now up to Mark Schwarz.
[37:24] This would be a great one to save.
[37:26] Here is Salageta.
[37:29] Oh, great save again by Swarza.
[37:31] Huge save.
[37:32] Wonderful save.
[37:33] It's as big as we've ever seen in Australia.
[37:37] At the ninth penalty, they are so scrambled in the commentary box.
[37:42] Simon Hill is talking about, okay, if Australia score here, they go to the World Cup.
[37:46] And your man that I mentioned earlier on, Craig Foster, he's that scramble in the brain.
[37:50] He's like, are you sure?
[37:51] Are you sure?
[37:52] Are you sure?
[37:52] He's questioning him whether this is the penalty.
[37:54] And he says, yes, no, this is the one.
[37:56] That means...
[37:59] But if John Aloisi can score this goal, Australia will be there.
[38:08] Are you sure?
[38:10] I'm not sure what to do on that.
[38:11] 4-2.
[38:12] He wins it for us.
[38:13] John.
[38:13] Here's Aloisi for a place in the World Cup.
[38:15] He wins it for us.
[38:16] He scores!
[38:18] And it goes into the back of the net.
[38:20] What do you see, Johnny?
[38:21] I can just see the ball sort of going in.
[38:26] And then I see the net start to move a little bit.
[38:30] And I remember this well that I can't hear anything.
[38:35] Has it gone in?
[38:36] Aloisi scores.
[38:38] They lose their mind.
[38:39] I cut to the crowd, Chief.
[38:41] I'm there with four or five mates.
[38:45] I have never randomly hugged strangers like I did that night, Chief.
[38:49] It was.
[38:49] Glad I wasn't near.
[38:50] Oh, Chief, I would have given you a big Howie hug.
[38:53] Last and long, long last.
[38:58] 31 years, four months and 24 days have passed since Australia ended its campaign at the 74 World Cup.
[39:05] To the point where my main memory is 45 minutes after the game finished, they made an announcement around the stadium.
[39:13] If you do not leave the stadium now, public transport will have closed for the evening because no one wanted to leave.
[39:18] So Australia hadn't qualified for the World Cup since...
[39:21] Was it 76?
[39:22] I could have that wrong.
[39:23] We need a fact check there from MJ.
[39:24] It was 32 years since they'd been in the World Cup.
[39:27] Pretty close.
[39:28] About 74.
[39:28] Because I did a little bit of research on this one.
[39:30] 74, maybe.
[39:32] 74.
[39:32] So for me, Aloisi and that moment, go back and listen to the commentary.
[39:37] He comes in at number three, Johnny Aloisi.
[39:40] I did consider this.
[39:41] Okay.
[39:42] I didn't end up making my cut, but I did like it.
[39:44] For any particular reason?
[39:46] It was an outpouring of emotion.
[39:48] Yeah, and I think the fact that you were there heightens your awareness of exactly what happened on the night, too, and it was incredible.
[39:55] It was incredible.
[39:55] I get that.
[39:57] But when you get down to the quality of performances we're talking about, some just miss out.
[40:01] They have to.
[40:02] Exactly.
[40:03] They have to.
[40:08] Number two.
[40:11] Number two.
[40:14] Yeah, again.
[40:14] I'm getting interested where you're going now.
[40:16] Well, I'm going back to Sydney 2000.
[40:21] Now I'm fascinated by what your number one is.
[40:25] So you're going back to the Olympic cauldron.
[40:26] Yes.
[40:27] No, I'm going into the pool.
[40:29] Into the pool.
[40:30] I want to set this up for you, Howie.
[40:33] We had four gentlemen by the name of Michael Klim, Chris Feidler, Ashley Callis and Ian Thorpe swimming in the men's 4x100 metre final.
[40:43] Can I start strumming the guitar?
[40:45] Can I smash me guitar, Chief?
[40:47] Is this a good enough story now?
[40:48] Yes, this is, Chief.
[40:50] Don't tell me.
[40:51] No, I'm not saying anything.
[40:53] I'm not saying anything.
[40:54] We need to put it in perspective.
[40:56] So it's the men's 4x100 metre freestyle relay.
[41:00] The US have never lost this event at the Olympics, period.
[41:06] Ever.
[41:07] Ever.
[41:08] They've owned it.
[41:10] The current US 4x100 team owns the world record.
[41:16] Gary Hall Jr.
[41:18] He and the Smashing Guitars team.
[41:20] Yes, the unofficial spokesperson for the US team.
[41:23] Very unofficial.
[41:24] We are going to smash the Australians like guitars.
[41:29] Yes, Jason.
[41:29] I could not believe it.
[41:31] I mean.
[41:32] smash them like guitars.
[41:33] Back in the old rock concerts where a guitarist would smash his guitar on the stage.
[41:39] Michael Klim, you're looking pretty aggro.
[41:40] The Yanks are saying they're going to smash the Australians like a guitar, I hear.
[41:44] Mate, I've just started playing guitar, and you're supposed to caress it, mate.
[41:47] It's a gentle thing, the guitar.
[41:49] So, well, good luck to them.
[41:52] Message for the Yanks?
[41:53] We need to swim, not to smash guitars.
[41:55] We get to the final.
[41:56] Michael Klim swims the first leg.
[42:01] He breaks the world record for 100 metres freestyle in the first leg of the relay.
[42:06] Did he?
[42:07] The individual world record is broken by Michael Klim in the first leg of the relay.
[42:12] Michael Klim has just broken the world record.
[42:17] What a magnificent start for the Australians.
[42:20] This I did not know, Chief.
[42:21] To get us to the lead.
[42:23] So we lead at the first... Obviously we do.
[42:25] We lead by about a body length.
[42:27] Uh-huh.
[42:28] Good lead.
[42:29] Then the next two legs are Fiedler and Callis.
[42:32] They maintain a slight lead of just under a body length.
[42:37] We get to the last leg.
[42:39] Who's swimming?
[42:39] Ian Thorpe, who's not a 100-metre swimmer.
[42:42] In the suit?
[42:43] In the suit against... Not the guitar man.
[42:45] Gary Hall Jr. Come on, Gary.
[42:49] Two laps of the 50-metre pool.
[42:51] First lap up.
[42:52] Hall goes straight past Thorpe, straight past him in the first lap, turns a body length in front.
[42:59] No!
[43:00] A body length in front after being almost a body length behind at the start in the space of 50 metres.
[43:06] Narrow margin for the Australians, but look at Hall's start the motor.
[43:09] And Thorpey just swimming slow strokes and Hall's thrashing.
[43:14] He was a slow stroker.
[43:15] Yes, but he just glided through the water.
[43:18] Well, he continued the slow stroking.
[43:20] It got a tiny bit quicker.
[43:22] And then he surged back over the top of Gary Hall Jr. to win it.
[43:27] Not only did they win it and defeat the Americans who had never lost, they took their world record away from them.
[43:33] And then what did the boys do?
[43:35] They got on the pool deck.
[43:36] On the pool deck.
[43:36] What did they do, Chief?
[43:37] They started playing air guitar, Howie.
[43:40] It was the...
[43:41] I can remember at the 50 metre mark, the crowd kind of gasped because of how far I was behind.
[43:50] And I turned and I pushed off.
[43:52] I had a good turn as well.
[43:54] I got under the water and under the wave that was coming at me.
[43:57] And so I actually surfaced well.
[43:59] And then I started working back.
[44:01] And I knew I had a stronger finish in me than what he was going to have.
[44:06] And I knew that he'd be hurting more than me.
[44:15] And so, you know, I focused on what I needed to do, which was to make my stroke longer as I was fatiguing into shortening up towards the end.
[44:24] And it was about eight metres that I really put my head down and, you know, touched the wall.
[44:30] Thropp goes in!
[44:33] Australia win.
[44:35] New world record.
[44:37] We have just, the Australians have just broken the American stranglehold on this race.
[44:44] And, you know, the crowd roars.
[44:47] So that moment, I think, you know, if we're talking about times of celebration, I actually, we really celebrated that.
[44:54] Yeah.
[44:55] It was amazing.
[44:56] That story made that event something incredible for me.
[45:00] You've got me goosh-bumped.
[45:02] You've got me.
[45:02] I can't argue.
[45:04] It's not in mine, and now I'm starting to think about what I have put in.
[45:10] I love it because of the emotion of it, and the guitar story, if Gary Hall doesn't do that, it's amazing but not iconic.
[45:18] Yeah.
[45:18] But I think what he did and the way he described it makes it iconic, doesn't it?
[45:22] A hundred percent.
[45:23] That story just made it everything it needed to be.
[45:27] I didn't know it was the first time they'd been beaten.
[45:29] Mate, they had never been beaten at Olympic level.
[45:33] That was just a walk-up start gold medal for the US.
[45:36] Okay.
[45:38] We get to my number two.
[45:40] I'm confident about this.
[45:42] I'm going niche, though.
[45:44] Ooh, I like it.
[45:45] Niche.
[45:47] Once again, the competitor that Australia had to be
[45:53] had never been beaten, ever.
[45:58] Now, I think I know this already, and I had it in, but it got squeezed out.
[46:07] Are you talking about a 132-year stranglehold on something?
[46:10] I am, Chief.
[46:11] From the New York Yacht Club?
[46:13] What's the stranglehold on?
[46:14] It is, Chief.
[46:14] Yes.
[46:15] And the winged keel.
[46:16] The winged keel.
[46:18] I wanted to put it in, but it was just because it was such a niche sport with a smaller field, I guess, of – it's a difficult one to put in perspective, but the enormity is not lost on me.
[46:31] So some iconic moments –
[46:35] From 1851 for 132 years, the Americans had won what became the America's Cup.
[46:41] Yep.
[46:42] with 26 successful defences.
[46:46] And they didn't just defend them.
[46:47] You know, it was best of seven.
[46:48] They won it for fun.
[46:49] Yeah, they won it for fun.
[46:50] They'd knock likes over 4-0, 3-1.
[46:54] They're dominated.
[46:55] So Australia has a mathematical genius.
[47:00] See, this is the reason probably why it got squeezed out for me is because it wasn't necessarily a level playing field.
[47:08] But the sport itself, like Formula One, is about technological advancement.
[47:13] It is, but Formula One now is highly regulated.
[47:18] When you can bring in a wing keel, it's not quite as highly regulated how.
[47:22] So your mad professor, Benny Lexington, designs a wing keel.
[47:26] I'm not going to try and start saying what it does, but apparently it makes your boat faster.
[47:30] In the right conditions.
[47:31] Yeah.
[47:32] Got to be the right conditions.
[47:33] Yeah.
[47:34] So John Bertrand, one of the great Australians, goes over there.
[47:38] There's several iconic parts.
[47:41] They would never refer to – it was a beautiful boat, the Americans, called Liberty, and it was the all-red hull.
[47:47] It was a beautiful boat.
[47:49] They're all beautiful craft, aren't they?
[47:50] They are.
[47:51] Look at them.
[47:51] They've lost me now with the – the technology's gone too far with the catamarans.
[47:56] This is your old-school 12-metre boats, I think they're referred to.
[47:59] So they would not refer to the Americans or Liberty.
[48:02] They would just, from a mental perspective – I think they were ahead of their time from a sports psychology perspective.
[48:07] They would just refer to it as the red boat.
[48:09] My competitor at arms, Dennis Connor, the skipper of the US program, and we never called, I never referred to Dennis as Dennis.
[48:20] We just basically tried to make the whole thing innate in many ways.
[48:24] So Liberty was?
[48:26] Just the red boat.
[48:26] Oh, that's your opposition.
[48:27] Yeah, yeah.
[48:28] So they gave it no credence.
[48:30] They gave it no history.
[48:31] They gave it no, this is the top of the mountain.
[48:34] It's just the red boat we're trying to beat.
[48:36] Connor was obviously a man that knew the rules and knew how to exploit them, chief.
[48:41] So he was the bad guy in this.
[48:43] Liberty, win the first two races.
[48:45] Yeah.
[48:46] She's job done.
[48:47] Then Australia could have been for the first time ever won a race in the final.
[48:54] So it goes 2-1.
[48:55] Then Liberty win again.
[48:56] So the Americans lead 3-1.
[48:58] They're one win away.
[48:59] Australia come home.
[49:00] Bang, bang, bang with the last three.
[49:04] The iconic moments, the song chief.
[49:06] Yep.
[49:07] So every time as they pull out of Newport Road Island, they play Land Down Under.
[49:13] which becomes a huge song, they pull up the boxing kangaroo flag.
[49:20] That is purely linked to Australia too.
[49:23] So we chose a battle hymn called Men at Work Down Under, which is just perfect in hindsight.
[49:28] Perfect.
[49:29] And we created the boxing kangaroo flag, which was our battle flag.
[49:33] Red gloves for aggression, pumped up chest for the pride of a nation, taking on the world.
[49:37] And on the 26th of September, 1983, Rob Mundell, I believe it is, goes, stand up!
[49:44] Pretty old school country back then.
[49:46] It wasn't Craig Foster.
[49:48] Stand up!
[49:49] They have done it!
[49:50] They have done it!
[49:51] They have won the America Cup!
[49:53] They have done it!
[49:54] They have done it!
[49:56] The relief of, you know, that was just overwhelming.
[50:00] And then excitement, but there's the relief that...
[50:02] We got the job done, you know.
[50:03] So it's just an incredible feeling.
[50:05] And this sense of relief and contentment is still with me today.
[50:09] And Bob Hawke famously.
[50:11] That's the other iconic moment, Chief.
[50:13] Bob Hawke, I reckon it's early in the morning because I remember my old man, Ian Howard, loves to sail.
[50:20] So he had me up watching it.
[50:21] I'm thinking it was 7.30 in the morning.
[50:24] I reckon Bob Hawke's 15 scoomers in.
[50:29] He was partial to an ale bob, wasn't he?
[50:31] He was.
[50:31] He had the white jacket with the Australian flags all over it and famously said along the lines of, and I should have written this down, but I didn't, but it's almost imprinted on my mind, any boss who sacks his worker for not turning up today is a bum.
[50:49] I tell you what, any boss who sacks anyone for not turning up today is a bum.
[50:55] Iconic.
[50:55] So there's so many iconic moments, which is why the crew of Australia 2, led by John Bertrand.
[51:02] And the Winkiel.
[51:03] And the Winkiel.
[51:04] And Betty Lexan is number two for me.
[51:09] So you thought about it.
[51:10] Was it too niche?
[51:11] Or you're not happy with the legality of the Winkiel?
[51:14] Yeah, it's just a little bit too, yeah, niche, the right word, too niche.
[51:21] But it was badged at the time that Australia was a country in 1983 finding its way in what was beginning to be a revolution of information and technology.
[51:35] Yep.
[51:36] And this was badged, if we can compete with the Americans in this high-tech sport, we can compete with the world.
[51:41] Yep.
[51:41] Which I thought was cool.
[51:42] Yeah.
[51:43] Very good.
[51:44] Very good.
[51:44] Now, in some of our big fives...
[51:47] We've done the worst.
[51:48] Yeah.
[51:49] How can you have a worst?
[51:50] We can't.
[51:50] No.
[51:51] Which means it is time for.
[51:57] Chiefs number one.
[51:59] I feel like there's a lack of pop for our number ones, Howie, because I think we're both across them.
[52:05] Well, I think we probably are across him.
[52:09] I think yours is going to be involved with Jacket Chief.
[52:11] It is the green jacket.
[52:13] It is Adam Scott.
[52:14] It had to be.
[52:15] To be in this position, I'm honored.
[52:17] Well, as you know, the whole world is watching this right now.
[52:19] I can only imagine what it's like in Australia.
[52:21] You think of how long that country has been starved to have a Masters champion.
[52:26] You think of all of the great players who came before you, who have their fingerprints on your career.
[52:33] What do you have to say about that?
[52:34] Do you feel their presence here?
[52:35] Well, absolutely.
[52:37] I tried not to think about anything today along those lines.
[52:41] And the thing I did well out there was just stay right where I was, wherever it was on the golf course.
[52:46] I stayed in that one shot.
[52:48] And Australia, it's a proud sporting nation.
[52:51] And this was one notch in the belt that we'd never got.
[52:55] And amazing that...
[52:58] It's come down to me today, Mark and Jason Day.
[53:01] It could have been any of us.
[53:03] But there was one guy who inspired a nation of golfers, and that's Greg Norman.
[53:07] And, you know, he's been incredible to me and all the young golfers in Australia.
[53:12] And, you know, part of this definitely belongs to him.
[53:15] Why above all the others is the simple question.
[53:18] Like you've rated Cadel Evans, Cathy Freeman, Peter Norman with that amazing story, the smashing of guitars.
[53:24] Why is Adam Scott above that?
[53:27] I guess I was really into golf at the time.
[53:31] We're talking about an event that first began in 1934 and no Aussie had won it.
[53:37] And our best Aussie had come agonisingly close three times and had it ripped away from him on two occasions and then once he blew it himself, or he probably blew it himself twice.
[53:48] And I just thought it was getting further away.
[53:49] And then all of a sudden we get three young players that come in and start to compete on the world stage and look really, really good.
[53:56] And to do it with the putt that he hold, I mean, the moment around it.
[54:02] Forget Steve Williams is the caddy for a moment.
[54:03] He takes far too much credit, Steve.
[54:05] He claimed it pretty much.
[54:06] Far too much credit.
[54:07] Claimed the Masters victory himself.
[54:09] Come on, Steve.
[54:10] To do it, you know, against the field that he did it against, this is when everyone is there.
[54:15] All the guns are there.
[54:18] I just found it special.
[54:19] How far out before it drops do you know this is in, I'm the champ?
[54:27] No, it was just on the left side too much.
[54:30] It was not one you were walking in.
[54:34] I was wheeling it in.
[54:36] I was watching it going a little bit too far left, going, hold your line, hold your line, hold your line.
[54:42] I can't argue.
[54:43] You're right.
[54:43] I could have.
[54:44] I can't argue.
[54:44] You could put him in any order, Howie.
[54:46] No, but I'm interested.
[54:47] You had him at four.
[54:48] I got him at one.
[54:48] I'm interested why he was your one.
[54:49] It's a good explanation.
[54:50] I just loved the Masters.
[54:52] It was an iconic event, but they're all iconic events.
[54:55] And the thing that I had at number four...
[54:57] The person I had at number four, I have a feeling it might be your number one hat.
[55:00] Well, you put Scotty up there.
[55:02] It is time for...
[55:03] Number.
[55:04] One.
[55:04] Number.
[55:04] One.
[55:06] One.
[55:06] One.
[55:07] We're number one.
[55:09] Howie's number one.
[55:11] September 25, Chief, the year 2000.
[55:13] The time is 8.10pm.
[55:15] What was that day called?
[55:17] September 25.
[55:18] I don't know.
[55:19] What was it?
[55:20] They called it something.
[55:21] I remember.
[55:22] MJ might have an idea from the tally room.
[55:24] Was it Magical Monday?
[55:25] Magical Monday, that's it.
[55:26] And it's in that moment where you feel like you're a lamb going off to slaughter, and I mean that wholeheartedly.
[55:33] Like, you're so vulnerable.
[55:35] It's really quite a formidable sight walking towards a full Olympic goddamn stadium in your home country, and you are the one, and you're going to win.
[55:47] And it's a bit of a surreal situation because...
[55:50] You're so focused and relaxed, but you feel like it's a dream.
[55:54] That's the best way I can describe it.
[55:58] They'll be called to the set in just a moment.
[56:02] So.
[56:05] Away, Freeman out well.
[56:06] A mighty roar surrounds us.
[56:10] So 49 seconds and 11.100 seconds later, Cathy Freeman in front of 112,574 people, of which, Chief, I'm one, which we'll get to, wins the Olympic gold medal.
[56:23] Goes up to Graham, takes the lead, looks the winner, draws away from Graham and Mary.
[56:29] This is a famous victory, a magnificent performance.
[56:34] What a legend.
[56:36] What a champion.
[56:38] There's a heavy bias towards events you were actually at.
[56:43] Absolutely.
[56:44] And you've had the privilege of being at these events.
[56:46] And I'll tell you how I got there.
[56:47] So, yeah, I saw Maxi, I saw Aloisi, and I saw Cathy Freeman through nefarious means.
[56:54] It'll be 32 years since Australia won a gold in track and field, which is, again, we go back to Mexico.
[57:00] Ralph, I'm not sure of the pronunciation.
[57:02] Dubell.
[57:02] Dubell.
[57:02] Yep.
[57:03] Who won the 800 metres in Mexico.
[57:05] That's right.
[57:06] Cathy came on the show and talked about, she's the first athlete I've heard use the term, pressure is a privilege.
[57:15] So she embraced the pressure of the nation.
[57:18] People remember what happened.
[57:21] So I'll give you my personal experience.
[57:24] And that's why it is number one, because I saw it live and it was a magical warm night.
[57:28] I was working chief as an assistant director on indoor Olympic volleyball.
[57:35] I come back from Formula One and I snagged a job.
[57:38] And I can clearly remember they said – I came back from the Formula One because I wanted to work on the Olympics and I got a letter from Sobo, the Sydney Olympic Broadcasting Organization, and they said it's $100 a day.
[57:49] Chief, I don't like to swear too much on this show.
[57:52] Well, let's say stuff all.
[57:53] I had stuff all in the bank account and it was $100 a day.
[57:57] And I thought that was brilliant.
[57:58] And they rang me and they said, are you happy with the terms?
[58:00] I got this phone call.
[58:01] I'm – well, it's 2000.
[58:02] I'm 25.
[58:05] Yeah, I'm happy with 100.
[58:05] And they said, no, that's the per diems.
[58:08] It's actually 400 a day plus the per diems.
[58:10] Then I'm going chief.
[58:11] This Olympics runs for three weeks at 500 a day.
[58:14] This is good wedge.
[58:15] That's where I'm coming from.
[58:16] So the volleyball was one of the great sports.
[58:19] It was only two games a day, 10 o'clock and midday.
[58:22] And if you got what they call a triple bagel, chief, which is a three-set win, you're out the door at 1 p.m. Just watching.
[58:28] Just watching.
[58:29] Well, you don't have the credentials, Chief.
[58:31] To get into the events.
[58:33] I had the problem in London, but we found ways.
[58:35] Well, as a sneaky young man, I found ways to go to a lot of events.
[58:40] But Freeman was a lockout.
[58:42] So my approach would typically be find the oldest person
[58:46] member of those on the gate and just flash up the volleyball card.
[58:52] It was before scanners and walk through.
[58:54] So I'd pick my victims, Chief, and I tried three times and got rejected because it was extra security.
[59:00] Get that bum out of here.
[59:01] I'm leaving, Chief, thinking I'm not going to see this historic moment.
[59:04] And I see a bloke working for, I think it's Clean Event, and he's bringing bins.
[59:10] out of the stadium.
[59:11] Don't tell me you grabbed a bin.
[59:12] No, I didn't grab a bin.
[59:13] But what he did, he had a handful of wheelie bins and he left one to prop this little door open while he took the others outside, Chief.
[59:20] Like a freaking rat up a drainpipe, Chief, I was in.
[59:25] And then once you're in, all they did was look at your credentials, saw media, and continued to direct you further and further and further into the stadium.
[59:33] Yep.
[59:33] To the point, I watch Freeman and Tatiana, I watch Freeman
[59:40] three rows back from the finish line, surrounded by photographers with your big zoom lenses.
[59:45] I've got me a little happy snapper of which I tried to take a shot of Freeman and there's only her leg in shot because she was too fast forward.
[59:53] But to see her win and see the – because I didn't hear the commentary or anything obviously, and you don't really know in the stadium.
[1:00:00] Talking to her about it, she said, like you did, that she always had the race in control.
[1:00:03] But Bruce says along the lines of Freeman needs to go, Freeman needs to lift, whatever he says.
[1:00:08] She just cruised for the first half.
[1:00:09] But when she's 120 metres away from the finish line, I'm thinking she might not win here, which you didn't have that experience.
[1:00:16] You always had that confidence.
[1:00:17] But because I was at the stadium, there was a moment where I thought Freeman's not going to win.
[1:00:20] Yeah.
[1:00:20] So for me, Freeman.
[1:00:24] Number one.
[1:00:24] Is number one.
[1:00:26] Number one.
[1:00:29] There's been some good storytelling on this one.
[1:00:30] You spaced the letters well on that, didn't you?
[1:00:32] Yeah, well, you did talk about my writing in episode one with the movies, which was illegible.
[1:00:36] So that's ours.
[1:00:38] So we need Cassie in here to give us the audience vote, Chief.
[1:00:42] Yeah.
[1:00:43] Well, there's a few of mine that won't be anywhere near it, but that's okay.
[1:00:46] Yeah, so you get the number one, Chief.
[1:00:49] That's okay.
[1:00:50] Here we go.
[1:00:51] Oh, now Cassie's writing is beautiful.
[1:00:52] I suspect Cathy would be number one.
[1:00:54] I think you'll get Joy there.
[1:00:59] Okay, no peaking.
[1:01:01] Okay, Chief.
[1:01:02] Coming in at number five, with 7.1% of the vote, someone we have not even mentioned.
[1:01:12] Not even in the apologies.
[1:01:13] It's an Olympic sport, but it's winters.
[1:01:17] Oh, okay.
[1:01:17] Tora Bright?
[1:01:18] No.
[1:01:19] Not Stephen Bradbury.
[1:01:19] Stephen Bradbury.
[1:01:21] No, see...
[1:01:22] Beating Apollo, Anton Ono.
[1:01:25] They all fell over.
[1:01:26] I'm with you, Chief.
[1:01:26] They all fell over.
[1:01:27] I'm with you.
[1:01:28] I get that you had to qualify for the final and he did win it and it was brilliant.
[1:01:31] It's an iconic moment, but I couldn't have that above these performances.
[1:01:35] That's all.
[1:01:35] And look, credit to Stephen Bradbury.
[1:01:37] I thought about Elisa Camplin, who was the second ever gold medalist because it was a night after Stephen Bradbury.
[1:01:42] Yeah.
[1:01:43] But the audience is not wrong.
[1:01:45] No one's wrong, Chief.
[1:01:46] No.
[1:01:47] Okay.
[1:01:48] Coming in at number four.
[1:01:50] With 14.3% of the vote, Aloisi in the 2006 World Cup.
[1:01:55] Johnny Aloisi.
[1:01:56] Yep.
[1:01:57] You know we didn't win anything, right?
[1:01:59] No.
[1:02:00] I'm just clarifying.
[1:02:01] We didn't win anything.
[1:02:02] We got into the tournament, basically.
[1:02:04] Yes, but we didn't win anything.
[1:02:05] No, we didn't.
[1:02:05] We didn't.
[1:02:06] We didn't.
[1:02:07] Coming in at number three, someone we both had in our list with 16.7% of the votes, so just in front of the Socceroos, was the boy from Barwon Heads, Cadell Evans.
[1:02:17] Cadell Evans, right.
[1:02:18] We're both in agreement with that.
[1:02:19] Beautiful.
[1:02:20] Coming in at number two.
[1:02:24] with 21.4% of the vote.
[1:02:26] A performance I had in, but you didn't.
[1:02:30] The America's Cup.
[1:02:30] The America's Cup.
[1:02:32] So we'll put this up here so everyone on the tube can watch it.
[1:02:37] Chief, you have the great honour, hang on, of announcing...
[1:02:43] The number one Australian sporting moment of all time as voted by over, we're at now, 4,712 entries.
[1:02:54] Yeah, and the top five just shows how in touch you are with the common person.
[1:02:57] Okay.
[1:02:58] Or how very common you are.
[1:03:00] Oh, Cathy Freeman comes in at number one with 38.1% of the vote.
[1:03:06] Yeah.
[1:03:07] And I figured that would be the case.
[1:03:08] Yeah, that's fair enough.
[1:03:09] But you know what, Howie?
[1:03:10] I'm not going by public opinion.
[1:03:13] I'm going by what's inside me and what I like.
[1:03:15] I liked your explanation.
[1:03:18] Best quotes about number one, Cathy Freeman, a respondent by the name of Black Caviar.
[1:03:24] The pressure of the nation, home soil, fierce rival in Parekh.
[1:03:27] But Parekh didn't run.
[1:03:28] No.
[1:03:30] Catherine Colbert.
[1:03:30] Just clarifying.
[1:03:31] From Tali in Queensland.
[1:03:32] The pressure was just so immense on so many levels and she delivered.
[1:03:35] Alex from Thornbrick.
[1:03:36] Agreed, agreed.
[1:03:37] I've only come to appreciate how special, enormous and momentous this race was in the last decade or so.
[1:03:42] Last decade or so.
[1:03:43] Amazing to think the whole country was on her shoulders and riding her to victory with the whole world watching.
[1:03:47] Brilliant.
[1:03:48] And Jack from Bendigo to deliver under the pressure of an entire nation at her home Olympics wins this every day of the year.
[1:03:54] Can't argue with any of that.
[1:03:55] That's okay.
[1:03:56] Chief, I enjoyed it immensely.
[1:03:58] I enjoyed it.
[1:04:00] I had an outlier in Maxwell.
[1:04:01] You had an outlier in Pia Norman.
[1:04:03] I'd be happy with either list.
[1:04:05] But MJ...
[1:04:06] As always.
[1:04:07] There's only one winner here.
[1:04:08] Has the final say.
[1:04:09] MJ's been favouring you, it must be said.
[1:04:12] From the tally room, are you there, MJ?
[1:04:14] I'm here.
[1:04:14] I'm here.
[1:04:14] I'm calling in.
[1:04:15] I think the only moment that you've missed that did – came sixth, actually, so didn't quite make the whiteboard was Kieran Perkins.
[1:04:22] I had that too in 96.
[1:04:23] I had that.
[1:04:24] Lane out.
[1:04:25] Except we knew – he had won it before.
[1:04:27] Yeah.
[1:04:27] So we knew he had it in him.
[1:04:28] Yeah.
[1:04:29] Even though he was battling sickness and only just scraped in qualifying.
[1:04:32] I did consider that.
[1:04:34] Just didn't – but again –
[1:04:36] Some have got to miss out.
[1:04:37] It would have been a brilliant performance, but in the brutal light of day, he butchered the semifinal, Chief, which is why he was in lane eight.
[1:04:43] All right, MJ, continue.
[1:04:44] Now, look, this could be a little bit controversial, how you were very in tune with what the audience voted.
[1:04:49] It was almost matching your top five.
[1:04:52] Yes, thank you.
[1:04:53] But out here, Chief's description of Peter Norman gave Cass goosebumps.
[1:04:59] I'm going to have to give the wind to Chief.
[1:05:00] It was a goosebumps.
[1:05:02] You've got to go off Broadway, Howie.
[1:05:04] You've got to look for things that are meaningful.
[1:05:07] That's a bit harsh.
[1:05:07] MJ, do you actually understand who pays your wage or not?
[1:05:12] I'm just saying none of yours provided goosebumps.
[1:05:15] Oh, kiss off in the telly room.
[1:05:16] There were visible goosebumps out here.
[1:05:18] Well done, Chief.
[1:05:20] Okay, we always finish this show with my favourite part, the same way where you sign off to those that have been listening with the statement.
[1:05:27] P&L.
[1:05:28] No, Chief.
[1:05:29] It's not enough.
[1:05:30] Can't abbreviate.
[1:05:30] No.
[1:05:31] Peace.
[1:05:33] And love.
[1:05:34] Yes.
[1:05:35] There we go.

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