# 268: Jackson Irvine (Part B)

An episode of [The Howie Games](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1146329262), 13 May 2026, 53 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/fs56nwhgf32v6k6fyv9hyf7r.mp3

A global footballer, a leader, and unapologetically himself. Vice-captain of Australia, and yes… the coolest Socceroo there is. Beneath the style is a story built on dedication, sacrifice, and an unshakeable belief in the dream. From kicking a ball around Rowville, to packing his life at 16 and heading to Scotland with no guarantees, this is a journey of pure intent. Irvine opens up on the mindset that carried him from suburban Melbourne to Europe, the brutal realities of professional football, and the moments that tested everything, including turning down generational money, the loneliness of lockdown training in a park, and fighting his way back when the game almost slipped away. There’s stories from Celtic to St. Pauli, from Hamburg streets to the World Cup. From local footy nostalgia to standing across from greatness like Lionel Messi. It’s about ownership. It’s about resilience. And it’s about building a life bigger than the game itself, through culture, community, and connection. For the next generation, this one hits deep, what you can control, what you can’t, and how consistency, effort, and self-belief stack up over time. This special episode of The Howie Games, powered by Powerade, is all about fuelling your journey, on and off the field. Because as Jacko shows, greatness isn’t given, it’s built. *** Follow the Howie Games on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thehowiegamespod/ Follow the Howie Games on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thehowiegames See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] listener production.
[0:07] You are listening to episode 268 of the Howie Games Part B, featuring Socceroo Jackson and Irvine, courtesy of our mates at Powerade, the official sports drink of FIFA World Cup 2026.
[0:16] Roll it, Tommy.
[0:19] So there's all sorts of things on the internet, Jacko, that you don't know are right or wrong.
[0:24] So I'm just going to ask you this one because I read this.
[0:27] Okay.
[0:28] It was reported that...
[0:30] That when you were at Burton Albion in 1617 in the English Championship, that you were offered a deal with a Chinese club.
[0:42] Now, in theory, you were on about $400,000 a year.
[0:46] And this Chinese club, from what I read, offered you $160,000 a week.
[0:48] Is there any truth to that story?
[0:53] Yes, that is absolutely true.
[0:55] Wow.
[0:55] Yeah.
[0:58] Listen, it's the best worst-case scenario you can ever ask for as a young player to be given this kind of decision.
[1:08] So this is an $8.5 million deal and you're on about $400,000.
[1:12] So this is ballsy, but there's a reason behind it, obviously.
[1:15] So how does it work?
[1:17] Does some bloke from China just ring up and say, all right, there's eight points, or is your auntie still doing the negotiations?
[1:22] on what's happening at this point.
[1:24] I definitely wasn't even on 400 grand, by the way.
[1:26] I think I was on about half of that.
[1:30] Wow.
[1:31] Yeah, so no, it was, yeah.
[1:34] So basically I had an unbelievable start to life in England.
[1:38] I think at that season I had eight goals.
[1:42] Yeah.
[1:42] And I had eight goals before Christmas from midfield in the championship.
[1:48] This was all kind of building before.
[1:50] Again, I still had this point.
[1:51] I'd never started for the national team.
[1:53] I was kind of in the squad coming off the bench here and there.
[1:59] And it was my first season in England after coming down from Scotland.
[2:03] And yeah, I remember, I'll tell the story, but my agent one day called me and was like, listen, this is happening.
[2:13] This club's very interested in you.
[2:16] What do you think?
[2:16] And I was basically straight away, I was like, listen, no, I've got big dreams of the Premier League and I wanted to, it was my first step.
[2:26] I was still at a very small club in the championship and I had big dreams of going on to have hopefully a big career in Europe.
[2:34] And he said to me, right, so the head of the agency is going to come to see you.
[2:42] And I was like, ooh, like what?
[2:44] These guys do deals with bloody Kyle Walker and the biggest players in the Premier League and why are you coming to Burton to see me?
[2:53] And my dad was over at the time because it was around Christmas time in January.
[2:57] And, yeah, it was like a scene out of a film.
[3:00] Like he wrote a number on a piece of paper and went across the table.
[3:06] Like me, 22, 23 years old.
[3:10] And you pick it up and it's like, what?
[3:13] Like that's not...
[3:15] like it's just numbers on a thing.
[3:16] It doesn't make sense to me.
[3:17] Like, I'm like, I don't even understand what that means.
[3:19] And listen, it's funny to reflect on now.
[3:23] I did a lot of, I had some big conversations with my family about it.
[3:28] And yeah, again, I've never criticized anybody who takes the big money moves to Saudi, to China from a personal perspective.
[3:35] People make their own decisions and that's often reflective of the kind of life that you've had.
[3:42] And I'm very fortunate that I grew up comfortable with,
[3:46] middle class, Eastern Melbourne kid.
[3:50] My family are fine and this kind of thing was, of course, it takes your life and your generations, it's generational money, but it didn't interest me.
[4:02] I had dreams of, as I said, my football and dreams were all I've ever wanted and all I've ever focused on.
[4:08] And, yeah, the day I turned it down was...
[4:11] You know, best night of sleep I've ever had.
[4:13] And two months later, I got my first start for the national team, as we just spoke about, and I scored that goal.
[4:18] And I often think, you know, the midfielders that I was competing with at that time, Aaron Moy, Milly Edinac, Mark Milligan, Tom Rogic, Maslowongo, I think would have I have even got in that squad if I was playing in China?
[4:30] You know, I'm not sure I would have.
[4:33] And I think all those decisions led me to the path, you know, led me down to where I am now.
[4:40] I love the answer, mate, and I love, obviously, the innate confidence you must have had in yourself as a young man to be able to say no to that.
[4:46] How are you feeling about that decision when you get cut by hull, COVID is around?
[4:53] Like, where's your professional career at at that point on the back of you have turned down an enormous amount of money?
[4:58] Yeah, three years later.
[5:01] And you're training alone in a park in northeast England on your own for six months.
[5:08] Were you really?
[5:08] Yeah, yeah.
[5:10] That was the reality for me after my contract at Hull expired and I had an option year which they chose not to take.
[5:19] And then you're sitting in limbo waiting for that next offer to come.
[5:24] Obviously, it was an uncertain time in the world for everyone.
[5:26] And professional football is not...
[5:31] It was much more difficult for everyone else in the world.
[5:34] I'm absolutely sure of that.
[5:37] My wife at that time was a firefighter and she was dealing with far more serious things than a lack of a footballing contract.
[5:45] But yeah, it was an incredibly tough mental challenge to try and stay fit, stay motivated to go, as I say, to a local park and train on your own for months on end, waiting for that phone call that kind of just didn't come.
[6:01] Did you have a day, like we talked about some high moments.
[6:05] The thing I love about this, the privilege of doing this show, Jackson, is that for all the highs, there's some tough ones along the way.
[6:13] Did you have a day where you thought, or what, the actual?
[6:17] Yeah.
[6:17] Yeah, I remember it vividly.
[6:19] It was in around October.
[6:21] So I'd been out.
[6:22] I hadn't played at that time.
[6:23] The league had stopped in March.
[6:26] My contract expired in June.
[6:28] So by October, it had already been six months since I played a professional game.
[6:32] And I remember watching the international window because Australia, we didn't, the Socceroos didn't play for nearly 18 months because of the travel stuff.
[6:41] But I remember watching the other international games.
[6:43] I think it might've even been Scotland playing.
[6:45] I remember watching the game and seeing some teammates of mine from Hull or from other teams playing in this game.
[6:55] I just remember thinking like you have a real...
[6:58] feeling for like my body, for where I was at, for my own, what I was doing.
[7:02] And I just remember thinking, I don't think I'll ever get back to that level.
[7:06] Like, you know, just like watching, I don't know, it was really vivid, like watching this game and watching the movements of the players and thinking about my own...
[7:15] body and I just thought, I don't know if I'll ever, I just, I can't see that I'll ever get back to that, like from, from this space.
[7:21] And it might sound a bit melodramatic, but, um, there was a genuine feeling from a physical and mental perspective where it was like, I don't, yeah, I think that level for me, it will, it could be unreachable.
[7:31] That was probably like the lowest moment during that, during that time.
[7:34] Via Scotland, you end up
[7:37] From what I can read and listen, you end up at a match made in heaven at a club called St. Pauli.
[7:45] Have I got the pronunciation right?
[7:47] Yes.
[7:47] Where you are now in Hamburg.
[7:49] Good, because I've practiced that numerous times to not say St. Pauli.
[7:53] So before we talk about the connection and the...
[7:58] the moments that you've been involved as a Melbourne kid on the other side of the world with this football club.
[8:02] Tell me a little bit about the history of the club so the listeners can understand how it all connects into you and where you currently sit now.
[8:10] So my first experience of St. Paul actually came when I was at Celtic.
[8:14] There's a really... St. Paul is renowned for being, you know, kind of one of the foremost left-wing political football clubs in the world.
[8:24] It's kind of been founded off punk culture.
[8:26] It's always about the anti-fascist movement.
[8:28] So basically the biggest club in...
[8:31] The city is Hamburger Esval, HSV Hamburg.
[8:35] They are monsters.
[8:37] They've won Champions Leagues.
[8:38] They've had Ballon d'Or winners.
[8:41] They are one of the biggest clubs in Europe, and we're kind of the noisy neighbor.
[8:47] And during the kind of football hooliganism rise of the 70s and 80s,
[8:53] A big branch of fans, you know, didn't like where the other club was going and they kind of rebelled.
[9:02] And as I said, they kind of became the antithesis of that football hulganism culture and became the anti-fascist football club about...
[9:10] Right.
[9:11] Forming an inclusive environment that was based on, you know, those values.
[9:16] And that's kind of how the club, the culture of the club was formed.
[9:21] The sporting history of the club has never been grand.
[9:25] You know, we've had five, six promotions to the Bundesliga in its, you know, in its 115, 116 year history.
[9:33] never managed to stay more than two, more than the second season, which is the aim of us now.
[9:39] And yeah, for me, that's the connection to Celtic as well, because Celtic are also a very left-wing football club.
[9:46] And I came over with Celtic to play in a friendly game here.
[9:50] And, yeah, it's funny how things can come full circle.
[9:53] I often tell the story of, you know, during that time when I was at Hull living with my now wife, and she turned to me at one point during, you know, with this time of uncertainty, and was like to me, can't you just go play for that punk club?
[10:10] One there by Irvine, helped on by Guilovogui for Eggestein.
[10:13] Here is Irvine.
[10:15] Oh, that's a good hit.
[10:16] And just when they needed it.
[10:19] It was Irvine.
[10:20] And Irvine again blocked this time.
[10:22] And the shot.
[10:22] Oh, what a shot.
[10:24] Extraordinary, spectacular, and vital for Zangpaoli.
[10:30] So the things you have done at that football club, but just before that, so it comes back to what I asked you a little bit about Kilmarnock and Ross County.
[10:39] We don't understand the world you live in.
[10:41] Day one, right?
[10:43] You're an Aussie bloke via England and Scotland.
[10:45] You turn up there at St. Paulie.
[10:48] When you first get there, is it like just a new job and you shake hands and introduce yourself and then you're out on the pitch?
[10:53] How does it work?
[10:54] Very exactly like that.
[10:57] You turn up, you're introduced to a new group of people in a new language in a city you don't know and you're just kind of dropped there and it's...
[11:12] Yeah, it's crazy to reflect on that time with, you know, I just kind of came over without any of my stuff and without anything and you're just kind of there.
[11:21] And then sadly, it's normally, unfortunately for me, it's normally your partners and your families who are the ones that have to deal with all the administrative stuff while you're just trying to settle in and focus on the sport.
[11:33] And yeah, that's it.
[11:35] You dropped in and just try to get to work.
[11:38] Hi, I'm Jackson Irvine.
[11:40] I'm a 28-year-old midfielder.
[11:42] I'm an Australian international and I'm absolutely delighted to be a St Pauli player.
[11:47] I know all about the political and social values that the club holds dear and that aligns perfectly with who I am as a person and how I see football.
[11:56] And yeah, I feel like it's a perfect match.
[11:59] So you arrive and you're in...
[12:02] So what's the official term for the Bundesliga second division?
[12:05] Yeah, Bundesliga 2, Bundesliga 2.
[12:07] Okay.
[12:07] How's your German?
[12:08] How's your German?
[12:08] Yeah, pretty good.
[12:09] Yeah, pretty good now.
[12:11] Sadly, I don't need to use it so much anymore.
[12:13] I think we've only got about three German players in our squad now.
[12:16] I think we're the most international team.
[12:17] But when I first arrived, it was the total opposite.
[12:20] It was all German for the first couple of years.
[12:21] So that's probably why I got a little bit...
[12:23] So what happens when the coaches talk new in German?
[12:27] We speak a little bit in German sometimes, but he does most of his coaching in English now just because of the – we have some players that don't speak English as well, so it can get really complicated.
[12:36] Well, my German is Scheisen, so we're going to stick to English.
[12:40] So from what – I don't know if I've got the dates right, but I reckon you've had a really big week in May 2024.
[12:48] So for those that don't follow football, the bottom teams go down, they get relegated.
[12:52] The top teams go up.
[12:53] They get promoted.
[12:54] So you're in the second division.
[12:55] You're trying to get to the Bundesliga.
[12:57] May 12, 2024.
[13:00] You have to fix my pronunciation here, Jacko.
[13:01] You're playing VfL Osnabrück.
[13:04] Yeah.
[13:04] How have I gone there?
[13:05] Pretty good.
[13:05] Pretty good.
[13:06] Yeah, yeah.
[13:06] Okay.
[13:07] At home at the Millentop.
[13:10] Tor, Millentor.
[13:11] Millentor.
[13:11] What does that mean in German?
[13:12] Has that got a translation, your home ground?
[13:15] I'm not actually sure, to be honest.
[13:18] Never thought about it.
[13:19] Match day 33, up and running here at the Millentor, home of St. Pauli.
[13:26] We need just a draw today to confirm Bundesliga status for next season.
[13:34] You win that game, you get promoted to the Bundesliga.
[13:37] A forced change, but there could be another change here, and it's a change to the scoreline.
[13:43] There's the second goal that they've been looking for, and Afflea makes it a brace.
[13:49] But that's it.
[13:50] The full-time whistle has been blown, and the party can start here at the Millen Tor.
[13:58] I've watched the post-game celebrations, and this is something I need to see in person, but tell me about the game.
[14:04] Yeah, it's the most obscene day in sport I've ever experienced.
[14:10] It was absolute carnage.
[14:12] Carnage.
[14:13] It was just, yeah, from every aspect of it, like...
[14:20] You have the culmination of that season of a year's work to come down to this moment, to have the chance to get promoted.
[14:29] You have the big picture stuff of the club and being a part of a historic, the club had never won.
[14:36] any trophy ever, like a never won, even it'd been promoted to the second, to the Bundesliga before, but via, via second place or via the playoffs.
[14:44] And you're talking about like the chance to win championships and do something historic.
[14:48] And then you look, and then you have your own lens and the individual one of, you know, being 31 and 25.
[14:57] you know, working your whole career, like I said, those moments in Burton to try and the dreams of playing at a top five league, playing at the highest level against the very best.
[15:09] And then you're on the precipice of it and it's this emotional just...
[15:14] wild experience and then you know we ended up we comfortably won the game i think we were three no up and around the 80th minute the fans started climbing the barrier to like line the pitch to do the thing and you're trying to play this game and there's like ball going out for a throw and there's just like there's like 10 000 people just like on the side standing on the side of the pitch
[15:39] Everyone knew what was coming and then the final whistle went and anyone who's seen the scenes afterwards, I describe it as like a zombie... Like, it was like World War Z.
[15:50] Like, you know, like the final whistle went, I had like this half second of like...
[15:56] you know, throw my head back like, yes, we've done it, I've done it, we're there.
[16:00] And then I look back down and it's just thousands and thousands of people just like sprinting onto the pitch at full speed.
[16:09] The players disappear in a sea of fans who have been waiting patiently for a good 10, 15 minutes to get their chance to get onto the pitch.
[16:20] Magnificent scenes here at the Mill and Top.
[16:23] And it just, like, crashed into us into the middle.
[16:25] And then it got, like, claustrophobic and it was a hot day and we were just swarmed by people.
[16:32] And actually my neighbour, like, fought his way to me in the middle of the thing and, like, put me up on his shoulders and it was like, buddy John Snow in Game of Thrones, like, coming out of the pack.
[16:55] But yeah, just absolute, one of the wildest, wildest experiences of my life.
[17:00] And then the rest of the day, just party in the stadium, on the streets with the fans.
[17:07] Yeah, whole city came to a stand still for us.
[17:11] You know, it was incredible.
[17:13] I watched...
[17:15] I watched you guys in the rooms and I should have written it down.
[17:17] I can't remember.
[17:18] There was a song you were singing and it was – Probably ABBA.
[17:20] I don't know.
[17:21] Was it?
[17:22] Yeah.
[17:22] I think it was ABBA.
[17:23] I think it was ABBA.
[17:24] Yeah.
[17:24] I think it was ABBA.
[17:25] Give me, give me, give me, give me, I'll give you a verse, I'll give you a verse, I'll give you a verse.
[17:34] But also there's a clip, a 15-second clip on Facebook of the St. Pauli fans somewhere in Hamburg.
[17:42] I don't know if it's a parade.
[17:44] And you might have to try and sing it to me.
[17:46] I don't know if it's the club.
[17:47] They just keep singing St. Pauli.
[17:50] And it's just this heaving mass of people.
[17:55] It's like a conga line times 10,000.
[17:58] That's when it struck me what it means to the people where you are.
[18:00] 10,000.
[18:07] Yeah, it's... As I said to you, it's like...
[18:11] It's the broader community.
[18:13] It's everything.
[18:13] The football club, it's one of the few football clubs at this level that is situated so centrally in the city and within, you know, like the district of which it's a part.
[18:22] I think nowadays because of regulations and stuff with big stadiums, they tend to be...
[18:27] you know, especially in Europe and outside of, a little bit outside of the cities.
[18:31] But this is like such a central part of living in Sao Paulo and Sao Paulo is kind of like its own world in Hamburg.
[18:37] It's its own district.
[18:38] It's its own area and it's special for that.
[18:43] And, yeah, it's when you see...
[18:46] the scenes afterwards in the streets and, you know, a week later after the championship win and lifting the trophy on the Reaper Barn and you see 100,000 people, whatever it is, more people than I've ever seen in one place ever, you know, like as far as the eye can see, just flooding the streets to be a part of it.
[19:06] It was, yeah, absolutely incredible.
[19:08] Well, that's because you said they've never won any silverware.
[19:10] So you come to the next week, you're down 1-0, but you get up over Wiesbaden.
[19:16] Is it Wiesbaden?
[19:17] Wiesbaden, yeah.
[19:18] Wiesbaden.
[19:19] So you beat Holsten Kiel?
[19:21] Yes.
[19:22] Is that correct?
[19:23] Mate, your germ is exceptional, mate.
[19:24] I don't know what you're talking about.
[19:25] Thank you, Jacko.
[19:26] So basically you win silverware as well.
[19:30] Back here comes Tsunami!
[19:33] Has done it!
[19:35] Zach Powell are Bundesliga 2 champions for the first time in their history.
[19:41] Now, this is where I probably got it wrong.
[19:42] Did you get married in that week?
[19:44] I did.
[19:44] I did.
[19:45] So did you get married between promotion and winning the league?
[19:49] Yes.
[19:50] It was a... Oh, man, you've had a week and a half.
[19:53] It was six, seven days of the wildest...
[19:58] So, well, it was actually two weddings in the end because our first wedding didn't happen because we're getting married in Denmark.
[20:09] So basically we win the league.
[20:11] We get promoted on the Saturday.
[20:13] Yeah.
[20:13] It was already planned that we were going to get married on the Tuesday in Denmark.
[20:17] Of course, after the promotion, we're partying for two, three days straight.
[20:23] Everybody in the city, it's the biggest thing ever.
[20:27] It's unbelievable.
[20:28] And we're like, right.
[20:29] So now it's wedding day.
[20:32] We're on our way up to Denmark and we get there and we realize we didn't bring our passports.
[20:39] Oh, no, you're kidding.
[20:40] Both of us, by the way.
[20:41] Not just me.
[20:42] Not just me.
[20:43] Also my wife.
[20:45] So we got there and, oh, right, wedding's off.
[20:49] And it was actually so funny.
[20:52] So we planned to go.
[20:54] We were going there to get married and then we were having the party in Hamburg later that night.
[20:57] We were driving back down.
[20:58] It's only about three hours away.
[21:00] We got back down to Hamburg and all of our mates and friends and people were all there and they're having this big party and we had to come back and be like, we actually didn't get married.
[21:14] But the people in the office are actually so amazing.
[21:17] They knew how badly we know we'd stuffed up.
[21:19] So they said to us, like, just come back again tomorrow.
[21:22] And the office was supposed to be closed.
[21:24] But one woman, her name was Karen, legend, always shout out Karen.
[21:27] She came back the next day and opened the office for us and did the wedding.
[21:31] But we came back, had the party.
[21:33] and then had to go back again the next day to Denmark in like our grubby clothes that we'd been partying, having the wedding party in the night before, go and actually get married and then come back again.
[21:44] It was just an absolute, yeah, the whole week was just hilarious and wild and funny and probably very on brand for us.
[21:54] It strikes me as on brand.
[21:55] So I did read that you often go public transport to work, to training and back, which I think is super cool.
[22:03] So you are interacting with the people.
[22:05] So like are you – when you're on the public transport, I don't know, is it a train or is it a bus or is it – what are you rolling over there?
[22:14] Train and a bus.
[22:15] It takes me a train and a bus to go to the train, yeah.
[22:16] Yeah.
[22:17] When you're on the train and the bus, are you getting one selfie request a week, one selfie request a trip, one selfie request a minute?
[22:23] Like what's the division between the respect for you as a person and then their love for you as a captain that took them to the promised land?
[22:33] Yeah, listen, it varies.
[22:34] I always say there's like two Jacksons in St. Pauli.
[22:36] There's Jackson during the week and then Jackson on the weekend.
[22:39] And it's like during the week.
[22:41] Of course, you get people who will always stop you every now and again, every day, and whatever, people that are maybe not from the area or tourists or traveling and blah, blah, blah.
[22:49] But my commute, like, I think it's totally normal now.
[22:53] I've lived here for nearly five years, and I think it's nothing special during the week when people see me at the supermarket or at a cafe or...
[23:01] you know, around doing something around the corner.
[23:04] But then when the football comes at the weekend, it's like then you're in footballer mode and then it dials up a little bit.
[23:13] But that also comes with the territory and that's to be expected and I'm totally comfortable with that.
[23:17] And I think there's a great balance between both being able to function as a normal person within a community and then also, you know, the footballer who plays on the weekend.
[23:27] Yeah.
[23:28] I need Jacko.
[23:29] I feel now an hour in.
[23:31] I'm going to have to ask you a bizarre favour.
[23:33] Yep.
[23:34] So you've got a radio show, yeah?
[23:36] I do.
[23:36] In Hamburg.
[23:37] I do.
[23:39] Now, firstly, did your mum work for 3OW?
[23:41] She did, yeah.
[23:43] Well, well researched here at the Howie Games.
[23:45] Yeah.
[23:46] MJ, who produces this, his father was a long-time employee, Darren James, of 3OW.
[23:51] So he told me he thought that was the case.
[23:52] Yeah.
[23:53] So what's your radio, before I get to the favour, what's your radio show called?
[23:57] Heimspiel.
[23:58] Heimspiel.
[23:59] And what does that mean?
[24:01] It literally means like home game.
[24:02] Okay.
[24:03] Like, yeah.
[24:05] So I wanted to get a flavour of what your radio show's about, whether we hear much from you or whether you're just spinning discs for want of an old-fashioned term.
[24:13] But, Jacko, whether you're aware or not, if I don't listen to it live, it's behind a paywall, so I need to give you some type of pass or code or something so I can get in there and listen to your work.
[24:23] Can you help me out with that for a start?
[24:25] Yeah, I'll give you a login, mate.
[24:26] You can get a – then you can do some playback.
[24:29] G'day, moin.
[24:30] Welcome to Heimspiel.
[24:31] This is Alien Love Call.
[24:34] Are you just playing music or are you having a chat through it or like what's it all about?
[24:39] Yeah, it's completely music based.
[24:42] Okay.
[24:43] It's a total switch away from football for me.
[24:46] I have total free reign with my program.
[24:49] I have an hour and I can talk as much as I want, play what I want.
[24:56] You know, it's absolutely my space to do with what I like.
[25:01] And I tend to just use it as a time to, yeah, I try.
[25:07] There's not even a theme.
[25:08] Like, it's hard to say.
[25:09] Sometimes I'll just play music that I'm listening to at the moment.
[25:13] Sometimes it's more relative to, like, gigs that I've been to or things that I want to see or...
[25:18] And yeah, it's great.
[25:19] It's just a chance to explore music in whichever way I choose to and with no footballing connection to it really whatsoever.
[25:29] And is there like a DJ vibe?
[25:31] Is it like, hey, it's Jackson Irvine coming to you from Heimspiel in Hamburg on 96.4?
[25:35] It's 15 degrees outside.
[25:37] And how about this banger from Tame Impala?
[25:39] Like, do you go with that type of stuff or not?
[25:41] That's almost exactly how it sounds, mate.
[25:43] You've hit the nail on the head.
[25:44] That was it.
[25:45] Yeah.
[25:46] Perfect.
[25:46] G'day.
[25:46] Welcome to Heimspiel.
[25:49] And this is, yeah, something else.
[25:50] G'day, moin, welcome to Heimspiel here on Bide FM with me, Jackson Irvine, Mannschafts Capitan of SC St. Pauli, Melbourne NAM, native but now St. Pauli local.
[26:02] Going to be playing some tracks with you here on Bide FM for the next hour or so.
[26:06] And the next one is Wings by Little Sims.
[26:09] Back to Jacko in a tick now.
[26:12] if you could all do me a favour, if you haven't already, and check out the two episodes currently in your Howie Games feed of the Safari Diaries.
[26:20] The Safari Diaries is a very different type of pod from us.
[26:23] For those who love adventure, me.
[26:24] For those who love travel, me.
[26:26] And for those that love their family, me.
[26:28] Hopefully you are a tick to all these things and you tune in.
[26:32] The Howie Games Safari Diaries, it's different, it's travel, it's off the beaten track, it's behind the scenes, it's quite the ride.
[26:42] The Howie Games is hitting the road.
[26:43] We are going to Africa, a two-part podcast series, The Howie Games Safari Diaries.
[26:50] My brain was saying no, but everything else was saying yes.
[26:54] We explained to you with the family the things you simply must do in Southern Africa, the things you should avoid, the pitfalls.
[27:02] And you know, they know that the Australian, they taste it.
[27:05] They call for them.
[27:07] and the absolute highlights.
[27:09] Join us on this podcast journey.
[27:11] Morning, mate.
[27:12] How are you?
[27:13] Always good, isn't you?
[27:14] Yeah, good.
[27:14] Where are you off to today?
[27:15] Okanjima.
[27:16] Okanjima.
[27:17] Yeah, he's going to see the leopards.
[27:19] Oh, Mackie was so close to the giraffe.
[27:21] I can hear him eat him.
[27:26] Oh, my goodness.
[27:28] Have a look at that line.
[27:29] He's going to go in front of us.
[27:31] We're standing out in the middle of the Namibian desert and the sun is just coming up over the dunes.
[27:39] And that roaring you can hear is the hot air filling the balloon.
[27:43] How are you feeling about this?
[27:45] Ah, good.
[27:46] I'm pretty excited.
[27:47] A bit of a random moment.
[27:50] I didn't know I was going to be skydiving this morning.
[27:52] Yeah, pretty excited.
[27:56] The Howie Games Safari Diaries is in your feed right now.
[28:00] So that's a line 25 metres away.
[28:03] And that call just sends shivers down your spine.
[28:08] Don't be missing it.
[28:09] That's so cool.
[28:16] Let's get back to Jackson.
[28:18] Socceroos.
[28:19] Socceroos.
[28:20] And it's a privilege you're here thanks to Powerade and they're all about powering your game and your fate and hard work and discipline, which you're a prime example of.
[28:29] I won't talk to you about your first World Cup in Russia because we're not going to have time.
[28:34] And you came on, you played all three games, you came on as substitutes three times.
[28:38] But the 2022 World Cup,
[28:42] Firstly, talk to me about the penalties against Peru.
[28:48] Check of the watch from Slavko Vincic, and that will do.
[28:53] They cannot be separated after 120 minutes.
[28:57] We are still no nearer to knowing who will be back in Qatar in November.
[29:03] Australia nil, Peru nil after extra time.
[29:07] And that penultimate ticket will be decided from 11 metres on penalty kicks.
[29:13] So we talked about famous moments with Muscat at the MCG and then obviously Johnny Aloisi in 2005 in Sydney, which I get to go to sporting events for a job and that is singly the best sporting event I've been to and I wasn't working.
[29:30] I was just in the crowd having a few beers.
[29:32] It was amazing.
[29:34] So firstly...
[29:36] Were you in the line-up to take a penalty?
[29:39] How far away for you were having to take a penalty?
[29:42] Yeah.
[29:43] I was next, mate.
[29:44] I was next.
[29:45] Oh, now that's a good answer.
[29:48] Yeah, yeah.
[29:49] If anyone ever gets the chance to go back and watch the celebrations from when Redders saves the penalty.
[29:55] Yeah.
[29:56] So obviously now with VAR, they, you know, they check everything before you get kind of a confirmation.
[30:06] So Redders saved the penalty.
[30:08] And again, Australia, a save away.
[30:12] It's all on this for Peru.
[30:16] Alex Valera.
[30:20] And Redmayne makes the save.
[30:24] It's a save that means the world to Australia.
[30:28] It's a save that means the World Cup for Australia.
[30:33] And you see all the boys like bomb it down the pitch.
[30:37] And then they're all like in this big huddle.
[30:40] But I actually arrive about five, six seconds later because I was standing on the halfway line looking at the fourth official like, please, please tell me that it's over.
[30:50] Like I needed, because I'm like, if I run down here and then VAR check and it's like, no, you have to take it again.
[30:57] And then I have to go back and take the next one.
[30:59] I was like, I can't handle it.
[31:00] So I had to wait for the thumbs up from the guy, from the official.
[31:03] And then I was, then I was down.
[31:05] And then I think I arrived about 10 seconds after the huddle's already there because I, I couldn't handle the, if I had to go back and take one after.
[31:13] So thank God I didn't.
[31:14] They are going to the World Cup in Qatar.
[31:17] No one gave them much of a chance, but never, ever, right off the Socceroos.
[31:23] So what was that?
[31:26] Again, it's a fabled moment in the history of Australian football that you were involved in.
[31:31] What's a penalty shootout like when you lose, we're out of the World Cup.
[31:37] We win, we're into the World Cup.
[31:39] I spoke to Graeme Arnold about this on the show and he told me about these different things.
[31:43] He obviously swapped Matt Ryan out and he bought Redmayne in and the notes they'd made.
[31:49] You just tell him at the moment, right, mate, you're out.
[31:51] Yeah, just the number up, number one, off.
[31:53] There's a fair chance he could say piss off, coach.
[31:55] Exactly, I've seen it before.
[31:57] He could have easily just stood there and, you know, body language, throwing his hands in the air and carrying on, but he came off.
[32:06] Matt Ryan, the captain, to be replaced by Andrew Redmayne, who's obviously seen as more of a penalty-saving specialist by Graham Arnold.
[32:16] Of course, he did do the job.
[32:18] Of course, Sydney FC in the grand final against Perth Glory made a couple of big saves.
[32:23] Maybe that's something that's been worked out on the training grounds ahead of the game.
[32:30] And, mate, you said to Andrew Redmayne when he went on, go out and do it for your nation, mate.
[32:36] Make yourself proud.
[32:38] I spoke to Redders and got him to study the opponents, penalty takers, and to be ready mentally to come on in case we got to the penalty shootout.
[32:50] And, you know, right down to the detail, Howie, we don't believe that they'll know what we've got as penalty takers.
[32:58] If you see their goalkeeper with a bottle, two drink bottles,
[33:06] one of them will have the detail of where our penalty takers take it.
[33:12] Written on there?
[33:13] Yeah.
[33:13] As in player X will go to the top left?
[33:16] So... On his drink bottle?
[33:17] Yeah.
[33:18] So the first...
[33:19] So the guy had...
[33:20] So the goalkeeper... We knew they wouldn't have studied us for that.
[33:24] But so they had one bottle, a Gatorade bottle, and a water bottle.
[33:29] And on the Gatorade bottle, you could see there was paper that was sticky taped onto the bottle.
[33:36] Yeah.
[33:37] So the goalkeeper had the first one, and I was watching him.
[33:40] And I was watching the first penalty, Martin Boyle.
[33:43] You'd see the goalkeeper, see him coming up, look at the bottle, puts it back down next to the post.
[33:49] And saves it.
[33:50] Saved it.
[33:51] And it is saved!
[33:53] A dream start for Gayessi!
[33:56] From your perspective, I didn't know you were next up, by the way, so your mind might have been frazzled, but what's it like, Jacko?
[34:03] The whole experience was nuts.
[34:04] Actually, on the Arnie thing with the subbing of Matty for Redders, so with about 30 seconds to go in the actual game, I had the worst cramp I've ever had in my whole career.
[34:13] Like, I literally couldn't walk nearly, like, for the last 30 seconds of the game.
[34:17] Jackson Irvine cramping up.
[34:18] Bailey Wright into the penalty area.
[34:21] Jackson Irvine.
[34:22] I reckon he's gone.
[34:23] He can barely move.
[34:27] And Arnie pulled me to the side of the pitch and was like, next time you get the ball, kick the ball out because we need to make a sub before the end of the game.
[34:37] Because if he blows the whistle, then we can't make, you know, if the game just finishes.
[34:40] And I was like, he was like, and he said, tell Matty, or he said, get Matty to kick the ball out so we can get Redders on.
[34:49] And, you know, like when you're, you know, it's 120th minute, you're absolutely exhausted.
[34:54] My body's breaking down and my brain's just like,
[34:57] what?
[34:58] You're changing the... What?
[35:01] I couldn't even process it.
[35:02] And then we managed to... We got the ball out.
[35:04] And then, yeah.
[35:06] To be honest, again, I think it's not...
[35:10] It's a testament, again, to the preparation of the staff and the players.
[35:13] We accounted for a penalty shootout in our preparations.
[35:15] We did... We practiced penalties after every training session.
[35:19] We had the boys who were most confident.
[35:21] We had our list.
[35:22] We had our... We did every single...
[35:26] thing you can do to prepare for that moment.
[35:28] In the end, of course, it's a shootout and there is an element of luck and, of course, technique and skill involved in the actual – but it's 50-50 most of the time.
[35:38] But if you are going to give yourself an edge, we gave ourselves every edge you could possibly give.
[35:43] And even in that moment, I don't think I – no one gave us a chance in that game.
[35:47] No.
[35:48] But going into it, I don't think any of us ever doubted that we would do it.
[35:53] I don't know.
[35:53] It's just we –
[35:55] there was such a, it was such an unbelievable group of, group of boys.
[35:58] And we, we were so emotionally invested in it as well as, you know, knowing that we had the ability to do it, but doing it in the, in the most dramatic way you can possibly do it was yeah.
[36:11] Ah, just insane.
[36:12] And as you say, it's created another, that Andrew Redmay moment will live forever in Australian sport.
[36:16] You know, it's a iconic moment.
[36:19] talk about the 2022 World Cup.
[36:22] The Socceroos together as one welcome along to the Al Jadub Stadium, 23 kilometres south of Doha.
[36:29] It's Australia's date with destiny in the 2022 FIFA World Cup.
[36:35] There's the straight-in starting 11.
[36:37] Jackson Irvine makes his 50th appearance in the green and gold.
[36:40] Riley McGree fills the playmakers' role.
[36:43] The national anthem when you're there, take yourself deep as to what it's actually like, mate.
[36:48] Yeah, listen, it's that last moment of like this is like our last deep breath before going into this game, you know.
[37:00] It's like that last moment of like registering what it all means and what you're doing it for and the people who are watching and it's the connection to...
[37:12] you know, to the fans, to your families, to the stories, the journeys that everyone's been on to get to that moment.
[37:19] I guess that's like, you know, there's National Anthem and, you know, in its own sense, but that's not really the part of it that I connect to.
[37:27] It's more like that.
[37:29] I don't know, it's the only chance that you have where you're sharing it with everyone else more than just with the team as well.
[37:37] And that's, yeah, it is, for me, it's like the last deep breath before you get to, before you go in, you know, because in the dressing room, it's all fire, it's all motivation.
[37:47] You know, you're in the tunnel and it's tension and the other team's there.
[37:51] And then there's like this calm for a minute, you know, to kind of like...
[37:56] Let it sink in.
[37:58] Yeah, and, you know, against the defending world champions on the biggest stage in front of the whole world, it gets no better.
[38:09] It's what you do in the backyard as a kid.
[38:11] It's what you...
[38:14] You read the books about it.
[38:16] It's what you watched.
[38:18] It's a culmination of everything that you ever dream of achieving in your own sport at the pinnacle and to do it against the best team in the world.
[38:26] It's like what more could you ask for?
[38:28] Bravo, mate.
[38:29] That's a wonderful description.
[38:30] I've got goosebumps here from 10,000 kilometres away.
[38:34] I guess that World Cup campaign is bookended now
[38:39] with some phenomenal performances and a couple of phenomenal opponents.
[38:43] So, Kylian Mbappe.
[38:48] He's not bad.
[38:49] Well, yeah.
[38:51] So, we're playing Kylian Mbappe, who at that stage is probably the best footballer in the world.
[38:55] He was in tremendous form.
[38:57] He'd been scoring goals for fun.
[38:58] How much of what Arnie and the coaching staff says is about trying to restrict one man?
[39:05] There is an element of it, for sure.
[39:07] Like, it's...
[39:09] You know, when you reflect on probably the two games that, you know, against Argentina and France, who, you know, were the eventual finalists, the two best teams in the world, two best players in the world, Messi and Mbappe.
[39:21] And in both games, you know, there's going to be a more...
[39:26] not a singular focus, but a heavier focus on the individuals, which are the ones that are the game deciders, the guys with the ability to turn a moment into the moment.
[39:39] And it's so difficult because I think the higher you get in, the higher level you get to in any sport, I guess, there is an element of that goes beyond your control.
[39:50] And you can account for tactics, you can account for,
[39:56] everything to try and give yourself the best chance to restrict these guys.
[40:00] But in the end, sometimes it's the reason why they're the greats, because they find a way to produce in the biggest moments when they have to, and they only need a sniff.
[40:11] Into it to Beppe!
[40:15] Lovely with it!
[40:20] From the man who electrified the 28 finals in Russia...
[40:26] And they are just so devastating.
[40:30] And, yeah, that's, you know, ultimately they were the two players that decided our tournament in terms of, you know, the two games that we didn't win.
[40:39] So first game, like the nation, the team, you're full of hope.
[40:43] You get beat 4-1.
[40:44] There's that change of pace again.
[40:46] 4-1 France.
[40:49] After Goodwin's opening goal for Australia, France ran riot in the end.
[40:54] And at home, you're like, oh, no, well, this is...
[40:59] But then you beat Tunisia 1-0.
[41:00] Reflection on that.
[41:02] Dukes hit her!
[41:04] Magnificent goal!
[41:06] You beat Denmark 1-0 to qualify for the next round.
[41:09] Matthew Leckie!
[41:10] What a goal.
[41:13] After the France game, you go into the sheds, right?
[41:17] How do you pick yourself up?
[41:18] Like 4-1 is a belting, let's be honest.
[41:21] I'm not saying it, you know, as you say, you're up against the defending champions, but how do you turn things around in tournament play?
[41:28] Because I would imagine, take myself back there, most of the country is like, oh, well, soccer is going to be bundled out.
[41:33] They've given their best shot, the boys, but that's it.
[41:35] They're done.
[41:36] Yeah, listen, it's not easy.
[41:37] And as you said, it can happen against the best.
[41:42] That's the reality of it.
[41:43] And I think the layout of our group,
[41:47] was very favorable to us.
[41:49] I think we wanted that game first for sure.
[41:51] Yep.
[41:53] You know, to not because you think you're going to get them rusty or that they're not in full flow yet, but, you know, even for us to just feel our way in and to do it against the best team first, I think is the best way.
[42:04] So then, you know, you, you move forward a couple of days and then, you know,
[42:09] Of course, the Denmark win was the deciding result in the sense and our first win against the top 10 nation in a competitive tournament was an insane achievement from us.
[42:21] Huge, huge.
[42:22] That game is...
[42:24] you know, that will be probably the one that's more remembered.
[42:27] But the Genesia game was the most important game.
[42:29] That's the make or break game, the second game.
[42:32] If you go out there and you don't win or get a result in that game, then, you know, your tournament's over in five days and, you know, you have to go in a bit like in 2018, you have to go into that last game, you know, I don't know.
[42:45] It just changes the whole...
[42:51] environment because because of what's the stakes have changed so that going into that second game was like the most motivated and most focused that we had to be because we knew that that was the one that was going to decide whether or not we had a chance to progress our most vivid experiences of it came through the social media stuff around especially from fed square and
[43:16] And the part of the scenes that we saw in Australia, which were just the most insane things I've ever been able to witness and kind of getting to live vicariously through those clips and see the impact that that win had, that was the best part.
[43:30] But for us, it was you're just in business mode.
[43:33] So the final game, you lose 2-1 to Argentina.
[43:37] If I took someone that had never seen football,
[43:41] And I took them to a game and I said, see that little fellow there playing for Argentina?
[43:45] They would say, well, the bloke that walks around the ground the whole time, he's one of the best footballers of his generation, if not all time.
[43:52] What separates Messi?
[43:55] Like he's a point of fascination, obviously.
[43:58] Messi.
[44:00] McAllister.
[44:01] Messi!
[44:01] Messi!
[44:06] You're a bloke from Ringwood and you're playing against Lionel Messi.
[44:10] Yeah, far up.
[44:11] Yeah, it's hard to put into words what this guy means to the sport, what he is as an entity.
[44:19] He is the greatest to ever do it.
[44:23] He probably might be the best we'll ever see.
[44:27] His understanding of space and of time is...
[44:33] He like exists out with the game itself because of kind of what we described before, that singular focus on him.
[44:40] It's like, how can a guy who everyone has spent 15, 20 years doing almost everything they can in their power to stop him?
[44:48] And he still scored like a thousand goals, won every, won like everything you can win, the great, and you know, assists and goals and moments.
[45:00] And it's like, how can he still find the way to do it when everyone is looking at him?
[45:05] And that's the genius.
[45:07] It's the smelling and the understanding of...
[45:10] knowing when he can come to life.
[45:13] And that's why he walks and that's why he doesn't, it looks like he's uninterested at times because, you know, he knows that all eyes are on him in all those moments.
[45:22] So he needs to pick his moments to come to life.
[45:24] And there's no one that, well, as I said, there's no one that will ever see who will do it the way he does.
[45:29] And he's, it was such an incredible thing to be a part of, um,
[45:35] that game and we were so, so close to taking it to the very end with them.
[45:41] And as I say, we're talking about the eventual winners, the best that they are, the current holders again.
[45:48] And we took them to the last kick of the game.
[45:50] In by Goodwin, Kowal!
[45:56] Martinez wins the game.
[46:00] Argentina 2-0.
[46:02] Australia won.
[46:04] We performed at, you know, our absolute maximum, you know, but there's, you know, there's that fine margin that, you know, that he's able to decide.
[46:17] So as a punter, I can remember sitting on the couch thinking, like, I don't know, like you're just so proud that this country of 20 million people can take, like, the giants of world football to the 90th minute.
[46:32] Do you get into the change rooms afterwards and think, we are so proud of what we've done here and we gave it our all and it's Argentina?
[46:40] Or do you get in the change rooms and think, you know, we came here to win the World Cup and we haven't?
[46:48] It's a bit of both.
[46:49] Yeah, we gave it everything.
[46:51] Just so we have every minute of this competition.
[46:54] I'm so proud of all the players, all the staff.
[46:57] But, yeah, just not enough on the day.
[47:00] Of course there's...
[47:02] Listen, I think in football, in any sport, I think the only thing you can ask for is that when that whistle goes to the end of a game, you'll always have disappointment when you lose, but there's disappointment and there's regret.
[47:15] And I think we all finished that game with absolutely no regret.
[47:21] I think we did everything we could to give ourselves a chance in the game.
[47:24] And when Argentina are celebrating like this, victory against Australia, I think it shows what kind of opposition we gave them today.
[47:31] This team of yours has captured the heart of the nation.
[47:34] How do you feel being part of a team that's really helped put Australian football back on the map?
[47:39] It's difficult to comprehend everything at the moment.
[47:41] It's all quite raw.
[47:45] But yeah, I hope we've made it wrong.
[47:47] Of course, there's disappointment and sadness and heartbreak.
[47:50] And I was absolutely distraught at the end of that game, you know, just because of what you invest in it emotionally, physically, mentally.
[48:01] Just, you know, you put every fiber of your being into that moment.
[48:09] And then when it's over, it's, yeah, of course, it's heartbreaking and disappointing, but absolutely no regret.
[48:18] we gave the absolute best account of ourselves that we could have.
[48:24] And then, yeah, and then it's just, it's easy to accept the outcome when you know you've left it all out there.
[48:33] Okay.
[48:34] Next World Cup.
[48:35] Not too far away.
[48:37] USA, Group D ranked 16.
[48:39] Paraguay ranked 40.
[48:40] Turkey ranked 22.
[48:41] Australia, your team, currently ranked 27th.
[48:44] How are we feeling about the upcoming World Cup?
[48:47] Physically, how are you going, mate?
[48:48] And how are we feeling about this extravaganza in the United States, Canada, and Mexico?
[48:54] And just, you know, even sitting here talking about the World Cup again every time, it doesn't, you know, I so hope that I'll have the opportunity to be at my third one this summer.
[49:06] But it's the opportunity to be a part of something like that again is just, it gives me such...
[49:13] it gives me like life and then, you know, I don't know, it just, it fills me with such, you know, this is, this is what you do it for.
[49:20] It's like I said, it's, it's the culmination of everything that you invest and put in over years to try and have the chance to be a part of these experiences and, you know,
[49:28] For these guys, there's so many of them, this young, talented group that are going to go there for the first time.
[49:34] And I, yeah, for me, physically, I'm there.
[49:37] I'm back playing every week in the moment in Bundesliga.
[49:41] You know, we've got a tough road the last few games here.
[49:43] And obviously, I've had a bit of a roller coaster with injuries over the last 12 months too.
[49:48] But I found myself a good rhythm and balance that means that I'm able to play every week.
[49:53] So I'm giving myself the best opportunity for, for hopefully for selection and, and to be on the pitch, you know, again this summer.
[50:02] But yeah, the thought of being able to go through this experience again with those guys and give them a taste of, of what that means and what it can look like gives me, yeah, nothing makes me more excited and, and,
[50:15] the opponents we've got playing against the host nation for the first time, um, you know, and in the context of everything in the world, it's, it's, it's such a ginormous thing to be able to, to, to be a part of and, um, so motivated, so excited.
[50:30] And yeah, I, I,
[50:32] Yeah, it's going to be, as you said, nothing lights up football in Australia like a World Cup.
[50:38] And it can, you know, you saw with the Women's World Cup in 23 and, you know, what it can.
[50:46] And then obviously a year before with us in 22, how it can bring everyone together.
[50:50] And it's another chance to do that.
[50:53] Much luck and love to you and your teammates.
[50:55] Jacko, we always finish the Howie games the same way.
[50:58] We've been doing it for 10 years.
[50:59] And I always use a different example.
[51:01] I try to.
[51:02] We are very lucky that we have a lot of kids listen to this, often with the parents, on the way to football training, on the way to TAFE to be an apprentice electrician, on the way to accounting at university education.
[51:16] And these young people have dreams and hopes that they want to be the best at what they do, something you've achieved with enormous success in professional football.
[51:24] What advice would you give to those youngsters that really want to make a mark in their chosen field, as you have in yours?
[51:31] Do everything with your whole heart, with passion.
[51:37] I don't think skill is the limit.
[51:42] I think you have to, of course, practice your trade, try to be the best and invest in what you're trying to do, but you have to do it with your heart as well.
[51:53] If you don't believe in what you're doing and really believe
[51:58] do it with your whole self, then I think it can be the difference...
[52:04] Jackson, you started this as my favourite socceroo of your generation.
[52:09] After having the privilege of talking to you, I think you might be my favourite socceroo of all time, mate.
[52:13] Thanks for joining me on the Howie Games.
[52:15] Please tell your wife that I absolutely love her Maradona poster directly over your left shoulder, mate.
[52:21] Much love on your travels.
[52:23] Hopefully you can get the job done with the St Paulie and stay in the Bundesliga and good luck in the summer, mate.
[52:29] The whole country will be behind you, as will me and my family.
[52:32] Thanks so much, Howie.
[52:33] I appreciate it, mate.
[52:37] Just a dude, just a dude.
[52:38] And for mine, the type of fella you want to see representing the green and gold.
[52:43] Good luck to the Roos in the World Cup.
[52:45] Thanks also to Powerade, who made this episode possible.
[52:48] Until next week, with Brad Hill, Jarman Impey, and Morris Rioli Jr., and the Record Breaker series with Scotty Pendlebury.
[52:54] Whew!
[52:55] Smoke coming out of the edit.
[52:56] Sweet!
[52:56] Darsus on fire, as is the Bairnsdale Flyer.
[52:59] Peace and love.
[53:01] And we can do it if we try, try, try.
[53:08] If we try, try, try If we try, try, try

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