# 'Pee-Wee as Himself' Director Matt Wolf

An episode of [IndieWire's Filmmaker Toolkit](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1142632832), 8 Aug 2025, 49 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/PMC7860874537.mp3

Paul Rubens, the man who created and became Pee-Wee Herman, has eluded a documentary about his life for a long time. While Matt Wolf was finally able to make a film exploring this complicated artist, it came at a price. Listen to Matt recount his artistic battle with Rubens as they shot the doc, and the shocking personal details he uncovered that bound them together. You have to hear this one to believe it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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