# 'You Can Count On Me' Director Kenneth Lonergan

An episode of [IndieWire's Filmmaker Toolkit](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1142632832), 25 Jul 2025, 55 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/PMC5611804693.mp3?updated=1753467494

Kenneth Lonergan, one of our host's favorite filmmakers, joins Toolkit to reflect on his first film as a director, 'You Can Count On Me.' He walks us through his transition from writer to the director's chair, and shares stories of working with Mark Ruffalo and Laura Linney on the film that would be their Sundance breakthrough. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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