# Episode 135: The ULTIMATE Trial

An episode of [Talking Points](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1093943397), 22 Dec 2021, 5:52.

Audio: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/1183232239-user-842180102-237361060-episode-135-the-ultimate-trial.mp3

Junjie Zhang and C. Michael Gibson discuss 3-year outcomes after IVUS- versus angiography-guided DES implantation.

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