# 5.16: Eppur Si Muove (with Dr Muller Fabbri and Jason Zengerle)

An episode of [The West Wing Weekly](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1093364587), 26 Sep 2018, 1 h 23 min.

Audio: https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/dovetail.prxu.org/52/c99d49ac-7a5a-4a51-ac5f-79e9534b207c/5.16_EppurSiMuove.mp3

They tried to get us to renounce The West Wing, but Eppur Si Puodcaste! Josh and Hrishi investigate some of the real world mechanics behind NIH grants and the federal judiciary with help from cancer researcher Dr Muller Fabbri and political journalist Jason Zengerle. For more, visit thewestwingweekly.com/516 Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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