# 0.12: How Barack Obama Shaped Matthew Santos (with David Axelrod and Eli Attie)

An episode of [The West Wing Weekly](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1093364587), 24 Apr 2019, 35 min.

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"Tell me about Barack Obama." That's what Eli Attie said to David Axelrod in 2004, while searching for inspiration to help flesh out the character of Congressman Matthew Santos. In this episode, we talk to both of them to find out what Eli learned and how it shaped the sixth season. And David Axelrod tells us about his own experiences as the guy behind the guy, and what The West Wing means to him. For more, visit thewestwingweekly.com/012 Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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