# "Yumming My Yuck" (w/ Carly Rae Jepsen)

An episode of [Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1092361338), 9 Sep 2026, 1 h 21 min.

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I'll make time for you? How about YOU make time for this hotly anticipated episode of Las Cultch? The former maker of Vancouver's top-rated cheesecake Carly Rae Jepsen joins the boys and winningly plays along with our stupid little games that Bowen can barely commit to. It's a fragrant vortex of a time, with CRJ spilling on "Day and Night" (out September 18th), having her mind blown by the Spice Girls, and the "10 Things I Hate About You" musical. The "suggested donation" is that you listen to this extravaganza/hullabaloo and ENJOY. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hey, you guys. So it's seconds into September. So you
[0:03] Speaker 1: know what that means. It's Christmas. And I'm going back
[0:06] Speaker 1: on the road. It's true. My tour this year is
[0:09] Speaker 1: called This Time It's Really Christmas. And it might be
[0:12] Speaker 1: on sale now. If it's September 9th, you can do
[0:15] Speaker 1: that artist pre-sale, babe, and use the code RumPumPum to
[0:19] Speaker 1: get to the tour. And if it's September 10th, then
[0:21] Speaker 1: just get on there and buy tickets because it's time,
[0:23] Speaker 1: in the words of Mariah Carey, a Christmas icon, if
[0:26] Speaker 1: you haven't heard. This is my album. Yes, it's a
[0:28] Speaker 1: real thing. Come see what Christmas is all about. At
[0:31] Speaker 1: this time, it's really Christmas. Nationwide this December. Go to
[0:35] Speaker 1: mattrodgersofficial.com for tickets. And by the way, I'm coming to
[0:39] Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Vancouver, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, D.C.,
[0:49] Speaker 1: and New York.
[0:50] Speaker 2: And London.
[0:51] Speaker 1: That's November 18th. Okay, I think that's everything. God, Christmas
[0:55] Speaker 1: is exhausting.
[1:00] Speaker 3: Look, man.
[1:01] Speaker 2: Where?
[1:01] Speaker 1: Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is
[1:05] Speaker 1: that culture?
[1:06] Speaker 3: Yes.
[1:06] Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness.
[1:07] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:07] Speaker 1: Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. I'm beaming on
[1:14] Speaker 1: my way walking here today.
[1:16] Speaker 2: For sure. For sure. Oh, but I did have a
[1:18] Speaker 2: dark realization. What? About this cycle.
[1:22] Speaker 1: This cycle?
[1:23] Speaker 2: We're not getting B-sides.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Because she gave us avalanche of A-sides.
[1:28] Speaker 2: Because the duality is inherent in the concept. Okay, here's
[1:31] Speaker 2: the thing.
[1:32] Speaker 1: You don't know that yet.
[1:33] Speaker 2: Whoa.
[1:33] Speaker 1: You don't know that yet. This could become a quadruple
[1:36] Speaker 1: album if we're lucky.
[1:38] Speaker 2: Day and night and twilight?
[1:41] Speaker 1: Twilight, dusk.
[1:43] Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no.
[1:44] Speaker 1: Dawn, dusk.
[1:45] Speaker 2: Well, no. What is it called? Crepuscular? What is it
[1:49] Speaker 2: called when the sun rises?
[1:50] Speaker 1: I was going to say crepuscular.
[1:53] Speaker 2: You know.
[1:55] Speaker 1: You don't have to look it up.
[1:56] Speaker 2: No, you don't have to look it up.
[1:57] Speaker 1: You don't have to look it up. Dawn?
[2:01] Speaker 2: Dawn kind of gets folded right into morning, don't we think?
[2:05] Speaker 2: Or day, I should say. Anyway, okay. I just have
[2:08] Speaker 2: to really let this out.
[2:10] Speaker 1: Let it out.
[2:12] Speaker 2: Matt text the pod group chat today. Anyone have Carly
[2:16] Speaker 2: Rae vinyls at home that we can display.
[2:19] Speaker 1: Behind the Jaguar? I have a ton. I said, oh,
[2:21] Speaker 1: I've got it.
[2:22] Speaker 2: I said, A fuckton.
[2:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, he said a fuckton. He cursed.
[2:25] Speaker 3: Wow.
[2:25] Speaker 2: And I think four constitutes a fuckton. I'm sorry. Four
[2:28] Speaker 2: constitutes a fuckton to me.
[2:30] Speaker 1: Well, they say two is a couple, three is.
[2:32] Speaker 2: A few, four is a fuckton, and five is several. Yeah.
[2:36] Speaker 1: And that's a real culture. That's a real culture. That's
[2:38] Speaker 1: real culture number 44.
[2:39] Speaker 2: Two is a couple, three is a few, four is
[2:42] Speaker 2: a fuckton, and five is several.
[2:44] Speaker 1: I really like that one.
[2:45] Speaker 2: I really like that one. I have emotion. Emotion. 10-year
[2:48] Speaker 2: anniversary edition. Gay guy. With all the Japanese bonus tracks
[2:52] Speaker 2: and all that gay stuff.
[2:53] Speaker 1: Love this.
[2:53] Speaker 2: I have dedicated, and I have the loneliest time. And
[2:58] Speaker 2: I was like, I'm bringing all four in, and we're
[2:59] Speaker 2: going to swap them out through the episode, get on
[3:01] Speaker 2: the train. I go, fuck!
[3:04] Speaker 1: And he yelled it again.
[3:05] Speaker 2: And I yelled it again, and I took it away
[3:06] Speaker 2: from the mic. You're welcome, Bahid. But yeah. And she's,
[3:11] Speaker 2: of course, she's very Canadian about it, and she's like,
[3:12] Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's fine. We're going to get into
[3:15] Speaker 2: Canada as a fellow Canadian.
[3:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[3:16] Speaker 1: It is fine because the thing is like, this actually is,
[3:20] Speaker 1: and I said this to you, I did some digging
[3:22] Speaker 1: and I did some research and this is lore. Because
[3:25] Speaker 1: on the very first episode of this podcast.
[3:27] Speaker 2: 10 years ago.
[3:28] Speaker 1: 10 years ago, an episode entitled The Grammys. We said,
[3:33] Speaker 1: Run Away With Me was the record and song of
[3:35] Speaker 1: the year. And Emotion was the pop album of that
[3:38] Speaker 1: year and several years. And it was paid dust that
[3:40] Speaker 1: year by the Grammys. And that was on the first
[3:42] Speaker 1: episode of Roscoe's Recess. And that was the moment we
[3:45] Speaker 1: were chosen as God's favorite. God pointed down and said,
[3:48] Speaker 1: that's my favorite podcast. And it's going to do well.
[3:52] Speaker 2: Because the Grammys are godless, so of course they paid
[3:54] Speaker 2: that album down.
[3:55] Speaker 1: It's actually rule of culture number seven. The Grammys are godless.
[3:59] Speaker 2: So, Day and Night, September 18th. Yes! We've gotten a
[4:03] Speaker 2: little preview. I've been spinning it.
[4:06] Speaker 1: Banging it.
[4:07] Speaker 2: Don't leave me.
[4:08] Speaker 4: On the dance floor!
[4:10] Speaker 2: Don't! There's several songs, but I'm going to single out
[4:14] Speaker 2: You Don't Know How It Feels, Patience, Power Passion. Patience, power, passion, patient, passion, power.
[4:22] Speaker 2: We're going to bring her in. We're going to bring
[4:24] Speaker 2: her in. She is one of our most prolific songwriters, singers, Canadians,
[4:34] Speaker 2: and musical theater legends.
[4:37] Speaker 1: All she needs is an angel. I bet you thought
[4:41] Speaker 1: I forgot.
[4:42] Speaker 2: I bet.
[4:42] Speaker 1: I bet. I'm looking you in the eye. Did you
[4:44] Speaker 1: think I forgot?
[4:44] Speaker 2: No way.
[4:45] Speaker 1: Just wait. Please welcome Carly Rae Jepsen!
[4:51] Speaker 5: Wow.
[4:51] Speaker 1: It's a moment in time for us.
[4:53] Speaker 3: You have no idea. Earlier, hearing you talk about Twilight
[4:56] Speaker 3: versus The Dawn, it was like witnessing the inside of
[4:58] Speaker 3: my head.
[4:59] Speaker 2: I was like, yes! Can you expand on this?
[5:02] Speaker 3: Well, no, no. I mean, I can and I can't.
[5:06] Speaker 2: Oh, in her scope. Let her talk. Wait, so you
[5:12] Speaker 2: will not confirm or deny at this time that there
[5:14] Speaker 2: will be a companion album to Day and Night?
[5:16] Speaker 3: I will just say that there may be a little something.
[5:19] Speaker 1: Okay, a little something.
[5:19] Speaker 3: A little something. And I, yeah.
[5:21] Speaker 2: Because you can't go full meal on us. You want
[5:23] Speaker 2: to course it out.
[5:24] Speaker 3: I just love a little tease. A little hint. A little... Sure.
[5:28] Speaker 3: Who knows what's coming next.
[5:29] Speaker 2: Totally. So are you familiar with... Well, I'm just making
[5:32] Speaker 2: this up, but I feel like this is also what
[5:33] Speaker 2: you're doing with this album is you're Pokemon-ing us. So
[5:36] Speaker 2: Pokemon will do two versions of the same game generation
[5:39] Speaker 2: in every release.
[5:41] Speaker 1: You're Pokemon.
[5:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a lot of Pokemon.
[5:44] Speaker 1: No, no, it's okay.
[5:45] Speaker 2: I'll just tell you. It'll make total sense. So the
[5:47] Speaker 2: first generation was Pokemon Red and Blue. Second generation was
[5:50] Speaker 2: Gold and Silver. Third generation is Ruby Sapphire. Fourth is
[5:54] Speaker 2: Diamond Pearl. Do you see where I'm going? It's like
[5:56] Speaker 2: they do like the dual releases. Yes, I do. I
[5:59] Speaker 2: see it. So this is... And I really do want
[6:02] Speaker 2: to get into it right away. I mean, we can
[6:04] Speaker 2: banter and we'll banter. But I feel like this is
[6:07] Speaker 2: all rooted from you, from the legend. Because I feel
[6:10] Speaker 2: like when this first made itself public, the fact that
[6:14] Speaker 2: you wrote 200 to 250 songs for Emotion was the
[6:17] Speaker 2: thing where all of us were like, holy shit. This is,
[6:21] Speaker 2: something's brewing here with Carly in terms of the myth
[6:24] Speaker 2: of Carly Rae Jepsen. It's like, this woman will write
[6:28] Speaker 2: a fuck ton of songs, at least four. And she'll
[6:31] Speaker 2: write a fuck ton of songs and then she'll pair
[6:33] Speaker 2: it back. But does this motivate like this kind of
[6:36] Speaker 2: volume of album?
[6:39] Speaker 3: I think so. I think at some point I came
[6:42] Speaker 3: to peace with the fact that I overwrite. I write
[6:45] Speaker 3: a lot.
[6:46] Speaker 1: You work in abundance.
[6:47] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[6:48] Speaker 3: And I don't know why exactly. I guess maybe it's
[6:50] Speaker 3: because I like to explore and play and I don't
[6:53] Speaker 3: really know what I'm doing at the beginning. And then
[6:55] Speaker 3: I kind of start to find it in a song
[6:57] Speaker 3: or two. And then I want to go explore that world.
[7:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:01] Speaker 3: But I think it really just comes from I really
[7:03] Speaker 3: love songwriting and I like to do it often and
[7:07] Speaker 3: it's just like kind of part of.
[7:08] Speaker 4: How I process things.
[7:09] Speaker 3: So I always have more than I need and then
[7:11] Speaker 3: I really like to take that and like kind of
[7:14] Speaker 3: hone in on what the cream of the crop is really.
[7:16] Speaker 2: Okay. So like there are some singers and songwriters who
[7:19] Speaker 2: are like sometimes it'll be the title first, or the concept,
[7:23] Speaker 2: or a photo, and then the hook, but has it
[7:27] Speaker 2: always generally been mass clay on the table first, and
[7:33] Speaker 2: then you figure it out?
[7:34] Speaker 3: I don't really approach one song the same way every time.
[7:39] Speaker 3: I think that's why it's interesting, is you can kind
[7:41] Speaker 3: of go and and think, hey, this happened to me
[7:44] Speaker 3: and I need to write about it. Or it can
[7:47] Speaker 3: just be your imagination and fantasy and you're like, oh,
[7:49] Speaker 3: I wish this happened to me. Let's go there. Or
[7:54] Speaker 3: sometimes a melody will come to me. It's just sort of,
[7:57] Speaker 3: as I think it comes to all of us, like
[7:58] Speaker 3: in the shower and you're like, oh, is that something?
[8:00] Speaker 3: Should I hold on to it? And sometimes you're like, no,
[8:02] Speaker 3: it was just a bad idea. But Other times, it
[8:05] Speaker 3: kind of sticks in your head and you kind of
[8:07] Speaker 3: want to go play with it. So yeah, I do
[8:09] Speaker 3: think more so than ever with this album, I think
[8:12] Speaker 3: because I've been in the game for a little longer,
[8:15] Speaker 3: I had a bit more confidence to not think that
[8:18] Speaker 3: I needed to go in and play by the rules
[8:20] Speaker 3: as much. So it wasn't like, okay, we're making a
[8:22] Speaker 3: formulaic pop song. It was a little bit more like,
[8:26] Speaker 3: we know how to do that. Let's just go and
[8:28] Speaker 3: play a little bit and see what happens and be
[8:31] Speaker 3: free with it. And I was working with a lot
[8:33] Speaker 3: of friends and collaborators who were like-minded in that way.
[8:36] Speaker 3: So it would just be like we'd go and have
[8:38] Speaker 3: a long conversation and dinner and then go to the
[8:40] Speaker 3: studio later that night and all of a sudden we're like,
[8:42] Speaker 3: a song was born. And it just kind of happened
[8:44] Speaker 3: really effortlessly.
[8:45] Speaker 1: I love when I can clearly tell you're having so
[8:50] Speaker 1: much fun in the booth. You have one of the
[8:51] Speaker 1: most effervescent and legible voices in terms of we can
[8:57] Speaker 1: feel the joy almost immediately. And you're such an amazing...
[9:01] Speaker 1: an actor in the booth. I don't know if you
[9:05] Speaker 1: feel like when you're in the booth you're acting, but
[9:09] Speaker 1: it comes through character.
[9:12] Speaker 3: I think that I'm definitely, when I'm singing and I'm
[9:16] Speaker 3: hearing other vocalists that I love, I can tell when
[9:19] Speaker 3: I buy it and I can tell when I don't.
[9:21] Speaker 3: And so I don't know if I'm acting so much
[9:23] Speaker 3: as I'm like really, but like maybe I'm acting. But
[9:26] Speaker 3: I'm really taking on the feeling of what I wrote
[9:30] Speaker 3: the song about. And that's how I don't forget the
[9:31] Speaker 3: words when I'm on stage too.
[9:33] Speaker 1: Believe it and you won't forget.
[9:34] Speaker 4: Because I take myself back to.
[9:35] Speaker 3: That place of being like that guy. Now we're gonna
[9:38] Speaker 3: sing your type.
[9:39] Speaker 4: I'm not ready to sing it until.
[9:41] Speaker 3: I think about him and then it all comes back
[9:43] Speaker 3: to me like I wrote it.
[9:44] Speaker 4: For the first time.
[9:45] Speaker 2: And with the same severity?
[9:48] Speaker 3: Sometimes more. Because you're like, that asshole.
[9:50] Speaker 5: He's still out there.
[9:52] Speaker 1: You're like, wow, this is a song that I wrote.
[9:53] Speaker 3: I should have put his name in this song, but
[9:55] Speaker 3: I didn't because I'm classy.
[9:57] Speaker 1: It's honestly one of my favorites of yours of all time.
[10:00] Speaker 1: because of exactly what you're saying.
[10:01] Speaker 3: I'm not the type of girl for you.
[10:03] Speaker 4: I saw your performance of that.
[10:05] Speaker 3: Did you?
[10:05] Speaker 4: It was sent to me. I was like, he committed.
[10:07] Speaker 2: Honestly.
[10:08] Speaker 1: I committed.
[10:09] Speaker 3: You're an actor yourself, so.
[10:11] Speaker 1: You're an actor yourself. I do my thing when I
[10:14] Speaker 1: have great material.
[10:16] Speaker 3: Oh.
[10:16] Speaker 2: It's like, if it ain't on the page, it ain't
[10:18] Speaker 2: on the stage.
[10:21] Speaker 1: We went to Hammerstein Ballroom to see you. I think
[10:24] Speaker 1: I've seen you. I saw you at the Greek.
[10:26] Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
[10:27] Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think, or it was a show, multiple times,
[10:30] Speaker 2: it was a show where before Julian, you're like, everyone's
[10:34] Speaker 2: asking about Julian. He's just a guy with a name
[10:36] Speaker 2: that fits into a song, that scans into a song.
[10:39] Speaker 4: I did date a guy named Julian.
[10:42] Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie.
[10:43] Speaker 2: But he wasn't that.
[10:45] Speaker 3: He wasn't the Julian that I fantasized about in the
[10:48] Speaker 3: song that I needed to pine over for all eternity.
[10:52] Speaker 3: He was just a really fun weekend. But what a
[10:55] Speaker 3: beautiful name.
[10:55] Speaker 1: What a beautiful name. Actually, I knew some gay guys
[10:59] Speaker 1: at the time who were having difficult times with Julians.
[11:02] Speaker 1: And the gift that you gave them. I once saw
[11:03] Speaker 1: a gay guy do a lip sync. to a song
[11:06] Speaker 1: called Julian. And it was about his ex.
[11:08] Speaker 2: To Carly's Julian? Yes.
[11:10] Speaker 1: But I think J-U-L-I-A-N was how.
[11:13] Speaker 2: He spelled it.
[11:14] Speaker 3: I am kind of mad, though, because it's such a
[11:17] Speaker 3: good name. I would have almost, like, wish I had
[11:19] Speaker 3: reserved it for, like, you know, a future son or
[11:22] Speaker 3: something like that. It's like, but now I've put it
[11:24] Speaker 3: in like this song. It's kind of dead in the
[11:27] Speaker 3: water to me.
[11:27] Speaker 4: I can't touch it.
[11:28] Speaker 2: You can, you can, you can, you can flip the
[11:30] Speaker 2: E to an A like with what Matt's saying.
[11:32] Speaker 4: Okay.
[11:33] Speaker 2: Julian with an E is very Canadian. It's very French Canadian.
[11:36] Speaker 3: He was a French Canadian guy. There you go.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Julien?
[11:39] Speaker 3: Yeah. Julien?
[11:40] Speaker 1: Do you know about your connection here?
[11:41] Speaker 3: Okay, no, where in Canada?
[11:43] Speaker 2: Brossard, Brossard, across the St. Lawrence in Montreal.
[11:47] Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
[11:48] Speaker 2: So it's both Canadian and also like a little bit racist.
[11:52] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[11:54] Speaker 1: No, I did not know we were going there.
[11:57] Speaker 4: Come on, French Canadians.
[11:58] Speaker 1: French Canadians.
[12:01] Speaker 2: I can say that.
[12:01] Speaker 1: I can say that.
[12:02] Speaker 2: And they have to own it. And they can own it.
[12:05] Speaker 2: They do.
[12:06] Speaker 1: I never got more.
[12:07] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. We can all laugh about this. I promise.
[12:11] Speaker 2: I've never been more ching-chonged in my life than in Canada.
[12:16] Speaker 2: So crazy. But it's okay. It's okay. We're laughing about
[12:19] Speaker 2: it now.
[12:23] Speaker 1: Food is great. We love poutine. We love poutine. We
[12:25] Speaker 1: love St.
[12:25] Speaker 2: Hubert.
[12:26] Speaker 1: We love St.
[12:27] Speaker 2: Hubert.
[12:29] Speaker 1: Any comment on that?
[12:30] Speaker 3: Vancouver.
[12:30] Speaker 1: Vancouver. I'm from Vancouver. Different side.
[12:33] Speaker 4: I'm a DC girl.
[12:35] Speaker 1: Actually, Vancouver, I might need recommendations from you. I'm going
[12:38] Speaker 1: to be there in December.
[12:39] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
[12:40] Speaker 2: Lunch Lady, Vietnamese place. What's that? Oh, that gorgeous street
[12:43] Speaker 2: that just runs all the way down that's like in
[12:45] Speaker 2: the fun little... Oh, I'm forgetting it. Anyway.
[12:47] Speaker 3: In Kitz.
[12:48] Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[12:49] Speaker 4: I used to live in Kitzlano.
[12:51] Speaker 1: Kitzlano.
[12:52] Speaker 3: There's a place called Aphrodite's that's like a very nice
[12:54] Speaker 3: little breakfast.
[12:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[12:55] Speaker 3: I used to live right next to it. I'm trying
[12:58] Speaker 3: to think. Tree's Organic Coffee. I used to work there.
[13:01] Speaker 2: Oh, you were a barista. I was a.
[13:03] Speaker 3: Barista until the pastry chef ran off with an internet lover,
[13:07] Speaker 3: and then I became the pastry chef.
[13:09] Speaker 1: Oh, my God. You became the pastry chef yourself.
[13:11] Speaker 2: I did.
[13:12] Speaker 3: I made Vancouver's number one best cheesecake.
[13:16] Speaker 1: Stop it. Are you a cheesecake icon?
[13:19] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[13:19] Speaker 1: What was in the cheesecake, pray tell?
[13:21] Speaker 3: A lot of cream cheese.
[13:24] Speaker 1: What's the best one you've ever had, your own?
[13:26] Speaker 3: You know, I could not make you one cheesecake. I
[13:28] Speaker 3: could make you eight cheesecakes at a time. So if
[13:30] Speaker 3: you're in the mood.
[13:32] Speaker 2: At a time.
[13:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because it was mass, you know, you're just.
[13:34] Speaker 1: Looking for a whole thing. Well, you create an abundance.
[13:36] Speaker 3: I'm sure I could do the math. Yeah.
[13:38] Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
[13:39] Speaker 1: You create an abundance. You make cakes like you make songs.
[13:42] Speaker 2: There you go.
[13:42] Speaker 1: That's true. And I bet they were perfect and delicious.
[13:46] Speaker 2: Are you at eight albums now? You should make one
[13:48] Speaker 2: cheesecake for every album.
[13:50] Speaker 3: I mean, there's a party idea.
[13:53] Speaker 4: Get fat, get happy.
[13:54] Speaker 2: Get fat, get happy.
[13:56] Speaker 1: Best cheesecake I ever had was a raspberry creme brulee cheesecake.
[13:59] Speaker 3: Oh, that sounds divine.
[14:00] Speaker 1: It was at a seafood restaurant I used to work
[14:03] Speaker 1: at in Long Island. They had no right to be, like,
[14:05] Speaker 1: also slaying the cheesecakes like this.
[14:08] Speaker 3: I mean, we would always put a lot of different
[14:10] Speaker 3: ingredients in ours, but I really come back to, like,
[14:11] Speaker 3: just the classic cheesecake with some strawberries, whipped cream. Nice taste.
[14:16] Speaker 3: Black coffee to go with.
[14:19] Speaker 2: I think you should do a psychedelic switch cheesecake with
[14:21] Speaker 2: shrooms in it. And that would be really nice.
[14:24] Speaker 3: That's a good way to disguise, though.
[14:26] Speaker 4: Very rich.
[14:27] Speaker 3: You would never know. Well, you'd know eventually. You would
[14:31] Speaker 3: find out.
[14:31] Speaker 4: You would find out.
[14:32] Speaker 1: Have you ever endeavored to write in an altered state?
[14:37] Speaker 3: In a mushroom state?
[14:38] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[14:39] Speaker 3: No, I think that. Well, I mean, not in a
[14:42] Speaker 3: mushroom state.
[14:42] Speaker 1: Okay, psychedelic switch was born in a totally sober way.
[14:46] Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you the, I hope this doesn't
[14:49] Speaker 3: kill the magic.
[14:50] Speaker 2: What?
[14:50] Speaker 3: But I'm going to tell you where I got the
[14:52] Speaker 3: idea for psychedelic switch. I was in the studio and
[14:55] Speaker 3: there was, sorry, this is going to kill the magic.
[14:58] Speaker 3: I already know that. There was a light switch in
[15:02] Speaker 3: the corner and it had a mushroom on it.
[15:05] Speaker 1: That's amazing. Psychedelic switch.
[15:06] Speaker 4: Psychedelic switch.
[15:07] Speaker 3: But what if that was like an idea of how
[15:09] Speaker 3: your brain switched on when you fall in love? And
[15:12] Speaker 3: that's where it was born.
[15:13] Speaker 1: That's incredible. That actually brings the magic forward. It's more magic.
[15:17] Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.
[15:18] Speaker 1: The fact that you can see, just make a word
[15:20] Speaker 1: association off the most random thing, and then it becomes
[15:23] Speaker 1: completely something else.
[15:24] Speaker 3: Shout out also to my collaborators. I didn't write it alone.
[15:26] Speaker 3: It was Nate Seifert, Kyle Shearer.
[15:28] Speaker 4: We had a day.
[15:28] Speaker 3: We were on a wave. It was a fun day.
[15:30] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[15:31] Speaker 2: But that, no. I don't think you should ever doubt
[15:33] Speaker 2: that the magic would be gone from process. I think you,
[15:36] Speaker 2: out of many singers, have... Wait, do you guys smell that?
[15:41] Speaker 2: I don't. No, okay, never mind, sorry. You out of
[15:44] Speaker 2: all singers have this like, people are fascinated by the
[15:49] Speaker 2: way that you write songs. I'm telling you, I think learning,
[15:53] Speaker 2: at least among gay men, gay group chats, being like,
[15:56] Speaker 2: oh my God, Carly Rae Jepsen wrote 250 songs for Emotion?
[15:59] Speaker 1: Crazy.
[15:59] Speaker 2: I think it like really implanted in us that like you,
[16:03] Speaker 2: your output is very intentional and very expansive. I don't know.
[16:07] Speaker 3: I'm committed.
[16:08] Speaker 1: That's for sure.
[16:09] Speaker 3: I'm committed to the art of it. But I do
[16:12] Speaker 3: feel like probably from the beginning when I first discovered
[16:16] Speaker 3: that you could write a song, like that songwriting exists really,
[16:19] Speaker 3: and that I had something to offer to it, I
[16:23] Speaker 3: realized that I probably haven't gone through any emotion, big
[16:26] Speaker 3: or small, without having to kind of digest it through
[16:29] Speaker 3: a song. And I don't share all of them, but
[16:32] Speaker 3: I think as I've gotten older, I've been more bold
[16:35] Speaker 3: and brave about sharing the ones that I thought were
[16:36] Speaker 3: more personal. I think in the past I'd be like, oh,
[16:38] Speaker 3: this one's for me. this one's for the public. And
[16:41] Speaker 3: now I think because I've had people in my circle,
[16:43] Speaker 3: like incredible A & Rs and friends and just, I
[16:47] Speaker 3: don't know, partner, my partner right now, he's like the
[16:49] Speaker 3: guy who's.
[16:49] Speaker 4: Like, let it out.
[16:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, he encourages you.
[16:52] Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel, actually it's very liberating once you're like, okay,
[16:55] Speaker 3: I thought this was just for me, but actually other
[16:57] Speaker 3: people feel it too.
[16:58] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[16:59] Speaker 1: It might be the reason why it's really for everyone. Yeah, yeah.
[17:02] Speaker 3: And so I think this album, Day and Night, is
[17:04] Speaker 3: like mostly... things that in the past, maybe why I
[17:07] Speaker 3: wanted it to not be like an A and a
[17:09] Speaker 3: B side, is they felt very much like, they're both
[17:11] Speaker 3: both things. They're experimental, they're kind of just everything I
[17:14] Speaker 3: love about pop music, too. It's a bit of both
[17:16] Speaker 3: worlds combined. So I didn't really want to put one
[17:19] Speaker 3: first and call something less important or, I don't know, weirder.
[17:23] Speaker 3: It's all quite weird, actually. But that's what excites me
[17:26] Speaker 3: about it.
[17:26] Speaker 2: You would characterize this album as weird?
[17:28] Speaker 3: I do, but I think I quite like, I hope
[17:32] Speaker 3: I get weirder as I go.
[17:33] Speaker 2: I think you have.
[17:34] Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
[17:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, no, or maybe I've always been that weird, but
[17:37] Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more comfortable just sharing it.
[17:41] Speaker 1: I hear you. I think one of the things that's
[17:43] Speaker 1: always been so indicative of you is, I really don't
[17:46] Speaker 1: like the word quirky, but you have an edge in
[17:49] Speaker 1: terms of your humor. I think all the way back
[17:52] Speaker 1: to I Really Like You, like Tom Hanks being in
[17:55] Speaker 1: the video, just like such a random choice, but also
[17:59] Speaker 1: so epic. And it really did, it carried and also
[18:04] Speaker 1: it said so much about you without you being the
[18:07] Speaker 1: star of the video. And I think that that is,
[18:11] Speaker 1: not to be on the nose about it, but the
[18:14] Speaker 1: emotion carries so much. Your music is such a character
[18:18] Speaker 1: in the room that that can be true.
[18:20] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[18:21] Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you, just because as I
[18:23] Speaker 1: was going through your expansive discography, which is really what
[18:27] Speaker 1: it is, it feels so voluminous. There's like a vortex
[18:33] Speaker 1: of pop happening. Do you have a favorite Carly Rae Hook? Like,
[18:37] Speaker 1: do you look back and you're like, oh, that was
[18:40] Speaker 1: a lick that I am, I can say CRJ ate
[18:45] Speaker 1: that one. You say that all the time.
[18:49] Speaker 4: I mean, I definitely don't.
[18:51] Speaker 1: We're asking you to do it today.
[18:54] Speaker 3: I'm just in the mirror being like, you got that one.
[18:58] Speaker 2: You know, oh, gosh.
[19:00] Speaker 3: Nothing's, like, coming to mind. I think I do love
[19:04] Speaker 3: to laugh. And I think I would more say that
[19:06] Speaker 3: I laugh at myself, like, later on to be like,
[19:09] Speaker 3: I can't believe.
[19:11] Speaker 4: That I put Stora out.
[19:12] Speaker 3: That's such a strange decision.
[19:14] Speaker 2: I love that you put Stora out.
[19:16] Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.
[19:17] Speaker 3: But there's some decisions where I made where I'm like, ooh,
[19:19] Speaker 3: I really ran with that really far.
[19:22] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[19:22] Speaker 3: The idea with Now That I Found You, which is
[19:24] Speaker 3: not one of my favorite songs, but I'm like, I
[19:26] Speaker 3: convinced my label to do a music video About me
[19:31] Speaker 3: being obsessed with a cat?
[19:33] Speaker 1: Like, what was I thinking? That's perfect, though.
[19:36] Speaker 4: But, like, and, like, catnip.
[19:37] Speaker 3: Like, I got high on the catnip halfway through.
[19:40] Speaker 1: Did you actually?
[19:40] Speaker 4: And I thought this was a good idea.
[19:42] Speaker 3: And, I mean, I look back and I, like, chuckle.
[19:44] Speaker 3: But I feel like I'm, like, this was a very
[19:45] Speaker 3: specific type of humor that, was not that funny, but
[19:48] Speaker 3: like I was sleep deprived and we ran with it.
[19:51] Speaker 4: We just like ran, committed.
[19:53] Speaker 3: Is it ever.
[19:55] Speaker 2: Is it ever shame or embarrassment or is it mostly
[19:57] Speaker 2: just like perplexion?
[19:58] Speaker 3: No, it's a delightful, like that's so wild that we
[20:01] Speaker 3: got that idea through. And I mean, I love to laugh,
[20:04] Speaker 3: especially at myself, I think.
[20:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to.
[20:07] Speaker 3: You got to.
[20:07] Speaker 1: Well, especially because it's like you're doing pop music. You
[20:09] Speaker 1: know what I mean?
[20:10] Speaker 3: You can't take it that seriously.
[20:12] Speaker 1: And when Lady Gaga was here, I asked her the
[20:14] Speaker 1: same question. I'm like, how much are you laughing in
[20:15] Speaker 1: the booth? Like a lot, I would imagine.
[20:18] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the thing is I say you can't
[20:21] Speaker 3: take it seriously and then I follow that up with
[20:22] Speaker 3: you do because of the fact that I think it
[20:25] Speaker 3: is such a heart on your sleeve, like high stakes
[20:30] Speaker 3: genre of music. Like people love it and people hate it.
[20:34] Speaker 3: I'm involved in both sides of it. I hate a
[20:37] Speaker 3: certain song.
[20:38] Speaker 1: What is going on?
[20:39] Speaker 3: And then I love it.
[20:40] Speaker 1: That's crazy. Which one is this?
[20:41] Speaker 2: I don't know. No, sorry. Oh my God.
[20:44] Speaker 1: Was it just an alarm?
[20:45] Speaker 2: I was getting a call and I was like silencing
[20:46] Speaker 2: and then maybe I like.
[20:48] Speaker 1: What do you think about that being his ringtone, though? Wait, wait, wait.
[20:53] Speaker 2: What song is it? Okay, just for the record, it
[20:54] Speaker 2: is called... Wow.
[20:58] Speaker 1: This is not even a song. No.
[21:00] Speaker 2: A brief introduction on dubstep.
[21:03] Speaker 1: Oh, it's... Night Ripper. That's what it's called.
[21:07] Speaker 2: On dubstep production by Night Ripper.
[21:10] Speaker 3: Okay.
[21:10] Speaker 1: Let's just get that. So now that's just a glimpse into.
[21:13] Speaker 2: I swear to God, this is.
[21:14] Speaker 1: I'm... Okay, hold on. Let's just play this. That's not.
[21:25] Speaker 2: Okay.
[21:25] Speaker 1: Does this inspire any hooks? This could take... This could
[21:30] Speaker 1: honestly go dusk. This is Twilight. This is Twilight. Day
[21:36] Speaker 1: and night and more. I like that for you. No,
[21:41] Speaker 1: you guys don't have to. This becomes a session.
[21:44] Speaker 2: There's no need to be like polite with, that's not
[21:46] Speaker 2: my work or anything.
[21:48] Speaker 1: You need to stop apologizing for yourself.
[21:50] Speaker 2: That's true, Canadian.
[21:51] Speaker 1: It's a vortex of apologies.
[21:52] Speaker 2: It's Canadian.
[21:53] Speaker 3: We can't help it.
[21:55] Speaker 4: I'm also sorry.
[21:56] Speaker 3: No.
[21:57] Speaker 2: People, Americans don't believe me when I say like, oh no, no.
[22:00] Speaker 2: And like, It's not, and I don't think Canadians apologizing
[22:03] Speaker 2: is disingenuous.
[22:05] Speaker 4: No, we're really, really sorry.
[22:08] Speaker 1: Where does that come from culturally?
[22:10] Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I don't know. I think it comes from
[22:14] Speaker 3: this idea of being polite, is to apologize politely. and
[22:17] Speaker 3: really mean it, even if you kind of were the
[22:20] Speaker 3: person who got run into, you still apologized, because it
[22:24] Speaker 3: just smooths over the situation, and that's polite.
[22:26] Speaker 1: Right, that person who ran into you could be having
[22:28] Speaker 1: a hard day.
[22:29] Speaker 3: Exactly, yes.
[22:31] Speaker 4: Oh my God, you sound like my mother. Yes, yes,
[22:33] Speaker 4: that's exactly it.
[22:34] Speaker 1: That's what it is.
[22:35] Speaker 3: Who knows what they're struggling with?
[22:37] Speaker 1: Who knows?
[22:38] Speaker 4: Be the first to offer the.
[22:39] Speaker 3: Olive branch, you know?
[22:40] Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
[22:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. What do you think it's from?
[22:43] Speaker 2: That's my theory. I want to tie it back to like,
[22:48] Speaker 2: first grade or something that like... Okay, so in Quebec,
[22:53] Speaker 2: we called our teachers by their first names. Oh. True
[22:56] Speaker 2: in BC?
[22:56] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
[22:57] Speaker 2: Not at all.
[22:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, Mr.
[22:58] Speaker 3: And Mrs., yeah.
[22:59] Speaker 5: Mr.
[23:00] Speaker 2: And Mrs. My kindergarten teacher was Joanne.
[23:03] Speaker 3: Joanne.
[23:03] Speaker 2: First grade teacher, I forget her name. Second grade teacher,
[23:06] Speaker 2: I forget her name. Third grade teacher because that's when
[23:08] Speaker 2: I moved to the US. France. France. France.
[23:11] Speaker 1: Her name was France. Her name was France.
[23:14] Speaker 2: Her name was Lola.
[23:15] Speaker 3: Wow.
[23:15] Speaker 2: She was a showgirl. But I feel like we were
[23:21] Speaker 2: just taught, well, also Canadian teachers, Quebec quad teachers would
[23:24] Speaker 2: get within this close of your face.
[23:27] Speaker 3: Oh, no.
[23:27] Speaker 2: And scream at you.
[23:29] Speaker 4: Okay, well, this is the opposite of like my.
[23:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't what I've been told of the Great North.
[23:34] Speaker 2: So this is, so that's my, that's where the sorry
[23:36] Speaker 2: comes from for me is that I'm like, ugh, like
[23:39] Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Oh.
[23:40] Speaker 1: Can I throw something out there? Can I posit an idea?
[23:43] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[23:43] Speaker 1: So Canada famously attached to America. America often very braggadocious,
[23:48] Speaker 1: like very much like sort of we are American, like
[23:52] Speaker 1: see us, world. You know what I mean? Like we
[23:54] Speaker 1: are here. Do you think maybe the attachment of Canada
[23:57] Speaker 1: to America makes Canadians feel a little bit like embarrassed? Like, sorry, sorry,
[24:02] Speaker 1: we know that North America can be a lot.
[24:04] Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
[24:06] Speaker 1: Okay.
[24:06] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[24:07] Speaker 3: No, I don't know.
[24:08] Speaker 4: I like the theory, though.
[24:10] Speaker 2: It's an interesting theory.
[24:11] Speaker 1: So you guys aren't embarrassed of Americans? No.
[24:13] Speaker 3: No, I married an American.
[24:15] Speaker 2: There you go. Tough. Well, lucky for him. I think
[24:21] Speaker 2: it's that Canadians generally have more space, are in touch
[24:24] Speaker 2: with nature. There's health insurance. It's like you're a little
[24:30] Speaker 2: more like, oh, I'm sorry. Maybe it's lower stakes.
[24:34] Speaker 3: I really don't know.
[24:34] Speaker 1: Or maybe it's like, sorry. Try that. I like that.
[24:40] Speaker 1: That's what I'm going.
[24:41] Speaker 3: To change my sorry to.
[24:43] Speaker 2: Sorry.
[24:44] Speaker 4: Oh, I think, guys, this is good. This is good.
[24:47] Speaker 1: I kind of feel a different feeling.
[24:49] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[24:49] Speaker 2: I kind of feel a different feeling.
[24:51] Speaker 1: Wait, okay, hold on.
[24:51] Speaker 2: Music video. Speaking of France, thank you for putting Paris
[24:55] Speaker 2: on the map with motivation.
[24:57] Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, I think it already had its place.
[24:59] Speaker 1: No.
[24:59] Speaker 4: But I appreciate you saying that.
[25:01] Speaker 1: And Versailles.
[25:02] Speaker 3: Oh, hey, yeah.
[25:03] Speaker 1: You know, it's having a huge moment between you and
[25:04] Speaker 1: Olivia this year.
[25:05] Speaker 3: I mean, it's like popping off like Vegas used to.
[25:07] Speaker 2: Truly.
[25:08] Speaker 4: What happened?
[25:09] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[25:09] Speaker 3: No, but exciting. I mean, honestly, I had never been
[25:14] Speaker 3: to Versailles when I wrote Versailles.
[25:15] Speaker 1: And now you have?
[25:16] Speaker 3: And then I knew it was on my list. That's
[25:18] Speaker 3: the other thing, is I had just watched, what was it,
[25:21] Speaker 3: Sofia Coppola's version. Yeah, a much prettier version of the history.
[25:26] Speaker 3: But I was like, ooh, there is something so... indulgent
[25:30] Speaker 3: and sexy about the idea that you can just live
[25:34] Speaker 3: for the sake of pleasure only. And I think we
[25:36] Speaker 3: all guiltily want a day or two like that. And
[25:40] Speaker 3: so this is sort of the whole concept.
[25:41] Speaker 1: And if it has a bad ending, whatever. We'll deal
[25:43] Speaker 1: with it later. You know!
[25:45] Speaker 4: You know yeah.
[25:46] Speaker 2: Yeah if your head rolls on the floor after it.
[25:49] Speaker 3: Gets chopped off yeah i know that's why i'm like
[25:52] Speaker 3: not not the real version.
[25:54] Speaker 1: It is funny to watch it be so like oh
[25:57] Speaker 1: versailles and then you like you go into history and
[26:00] Speaker 1: you're like you know this ended no in.
[26:02] Speaker 3: Bloodshed we actually took the tour and it was so
[26:05] Speaker 3: interesting to see that within the castle of versailles where
[26:07] Speaker 3: she had everything she like wanted her little like cottage
[26:10] Speaker 3: garden so she could pretend to be like a peasant
[26:12] Speaker 3: woman yeah you're like isn't that wild you had everything
[26:16] Speaker 3: and you just wanted like a simple life to pretend
[26:18] Speaker 3: to like cosplay at like.
[26:19] Speaker 4: Totally kind of wild let's do what rich people.
[26:22] Speaker 2: Do really well i just feel like they're like i
[26:25] Speaker 2: want to go to burning man and just be covered
[26:30] Speaker 2: in sand.
[26:31] Speaker 1: Yeah but they end up not having that.
[26:34] Speaker 2: Experience Right, they're in an RV. They're in an RV.
[26:36] Speaker 3: I have never been to Burning Man. What's it like?
[26:38] Speaker 2: You're not, you're barking up the wrong tree.
[26:41] Speaker 1: We'll go to Coachella and be like, we're done after
[26:44] Speaker 1: the second day. Oh, yeah.
[26:46] Speaker 3: Coachella's a lot, but it's fun.
[26:48] Speaker 1: Have you been? You've been?
[26:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, I like to.
[26:50] Speaker 3: Do a last minute Coachella.
[26:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[26:52] Speaker 3: I'm not like a big, hey, let's plan and do
[26:55] Speaker 3: a weekend of it. I'm more like someone's like, hey,
[26:57] Speaker 3: last minute, do you want to go? Or like a
[26:58] Speaker 3: friend will be like, come see my set.
[27:00] Speaker 5: And we're like, all right.
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[28:19] Speaker 1: Do you like every genre? Like it feels like, it
[28:22] Speaker 1: feels like, no.
[28:24] Speaker 3: I mean, what I mean by that is like, I
[28:26] Speaker 3: can appreciate every genre, but I don't think that I
[28:28] Speaker 3: listen to every genre.
[28:30] Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right, right.
[28:31] Speaker 3: But I love exploring it.
[28:33] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[28:34] Speaker 3: Like, my husband's childhood friend has this, like, screaming band.
[28:41] Speaker 3: I don't even think, they just make, like, vowel sounds, really.
[28:44] Speaker 3: And it's like, no, no, it's like, ah! But they're like,
[28:48] Speaker 3: and he was like, come to my show. And it
[28:50] Speaker 3: was one of the best shows I've ever been to.
[28:52] Speaker 3: And I thought I was like, I'm going to blend
[28:54] Speaker 3: in with this crowd.
[28:55] Speaker 4: So I wore like, you.
[28:56] Speaker 3: Know, darker colors. Everyone was like, just like. And I
[29:01] Speaker 3: stuck out like a sore thumb.
[29:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Energetically, you were Carly Rae. I energetically was off.
[29:07] Speaker 3: But I was trying so hard.
[29:10] Speaker 4: But I was fascinated.
[29:12] Speaker 3: It was just, it was a lot of screaming.
[29:14] Speaker 4: But, like, I felt what I was supposed to feel.
[29:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[29:17] Speaker 3: Between the smoke machines and, like, the, you know, the
[29:20] Speaker 3: mosh pitting. I was, like, kind of in, you know.
[29:23] Speaker 2: So I think this is a gateway. Like, if you,
[29:25] Speaker 2: after day and night.
[29:26] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[29:27] Speaker 2: In a few years, if you were to release a
[29:30] Speaker 2: metal album. Okay.
[29:32] Speaker 1: With dubstep in it.
[29:33] Speaker 3: It's funny you should say that.
[29:35] Speaker 4: That's where I thought I was going to go.
[29:36] Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding. Day, night, and more.
[29:39] Speaker 2: Day, night, and more. Wait, literally though, I think metal
[29:43] Speaker 2: and like, I'll lump that in with like scream adjacent
[29:47] Speaker 2: singers do have control of their instrument in a way
[29:51] Speaker 2: where I'm like, wow. Because I was shown the disturbed
[29:55] Speaker 2: cover of Sound of Silence. Okay. So disturbed, down with
[29:59] Speaker 2: the sickness.
[30:00] Speaker 1: Wah!
[30:01] Speaker 2: Those guys? Yeah.
[30:02] Speaker 1: Sick.
[30:03] Speaker 2: So that was my best. That was good.
[30:05] Speaker 1: Honestly, I felt like we were in the zoo.
[30:08] Speaker 2: We were in the zoo.
[30:09] Speaker 1: That was in Vortex.
[30:10] Speaker 4: I would sample it.
[30:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really good. So you should sample it.
[30:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wah! I want, I want to cut,
[30:16] Speaker 2: but you, but the, the business they played, it's this,
[30:21] Speaker 2: does anyone know what I'm talking to? The straight boys
[30:22] Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about. Okay. But he knows what
[30:24] Speaker 2: I'm talking about. So sound of silence builds. It's a,
[30:29] Speaker 2: it goes into a full vibrato at the end. Paul
[30:32] Speaker 2: Simon heard it and was like, damn, these people. Like,
[30:37] Speaker 2: it is, we have to pay respects to these guys,
[30:39] Speaker 2: to these men who might seem a little scary and
[30:43] Speaker 2: dark and, but like, I think they're, it's all coming
[30:46] Speaker 2: from a place of like, I'm a musician. Emotion.
[30:48] Speaker 1: Emotion. Yeah, no, no, I mean, I.
[30:51] Speaker 2: I think you should explore it is all.
[30:54] Speaker 3: Nothing's off.
[30:56] Speaker 1: Nothing's off the table.
[30:56] Speaker 3: But I was going to say, to follow up, I
[30:59] Speaker 3: think that I can also appreciate, I think we all can,
[31:01] Speaker 3: when we're like, that isn't for me, but it's really
[31:03] Speaker 3: well done. You know what I mean? I don't necessarily
[31:07] Speaker 3: love the genre, wouldn't put it on in my life.
[31:10] Speaker 3: What I think is a very hard thing to get
[31:12] Speaker 3: right is the mixture of country and pop. When it's
[31:16] Speaker 3: purely country, I'm like down for some Hank Williams. When
[31:19] Speaker 3: it's like pop, pop, okay. But like pop, like Shania Twain?
[31:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect.
[31:24] Speaker 3: Bow down.
[31:25] Speaker 4: How did you figure that out?
[31:27] Speaker 1: Canadian queen. Is she your Canadian queen?
[31:30] Speaker 3: She's one of them.
[31:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Celine Dion as well.
[31:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, Celine Dion.
[31:34] Speaker 3: Thank you. Like, that's the way it is.
[31:36] Speaker 1: The Come On Over album is exactly what we're talking about.
[31:38] Speaker 1: It's perfect pop country. It's like, and she would do,
[31:42] Speaker 1: she would do like the red-green versions too. The red-green
[31:44] Speaker 1: versions too. She did like a, was it up?
[31:46] Speaker 2: She was Pokemon. It was up red version or up
[31:48] Speaker 2: green version.
[31:49] Speaker 1: Green version.
[31:50] Speaker 3: She had the double album?
[31:51] Speaker 1: Yes.
[31:51] Speaker 3: Damn it, it wasn't my idea.
[31:54] Speaker 1: There's something happening with these double albums in the Canadian
[31:57] Speaker 1: Queen sphere, but I remember that. Remember that song? I'm
[32:02] Speaker 1: gonna get you if I got it in time. Gonna
[32:05] Speaker 1: get you good?
[32:07] Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
[32:08] Speaker 1: Red and green version.
[32:10] Speaker 2: So good. Speaking of albums, I think this is a
[32:12] Speaker 2: great time to ask you the culture question. Carly Rae Jepsen,
[32:16] Speaker 2: what is the culture that made you say culture is
[32:18] Speaker 2: for me?
[32:20] Speaker 3: Spice Girls.
[32:21] Speaker 1: And I love why you gave this answer because you
[32:24] Speaker 1: said it was what saved you. Not saved you, but
[32:27] Speaker 1: it was your escape in a house of James Taylor.
[32:30] Speaker 3: I mean, okay.
[32:32] Speaker 4: All respect to James Taylor.
[32:33] Speaker 2: Of course. I love him.
[32:34] Speaker 1: I think you are the convergence of those two. I
[32:36] Speaker 1: think you are James Taylor and Spice Girls combined.
[32:39] Speaker 2: Period.
[32:39] Speaker 3: Maybe the greatest compliment I've ever received in my musical career.
[32:43] Speaker 2: I give it honestly.
[32:44] Speaker 3: I feel like I just need to like touch it.
[32:46] Speaker 1: I believe this to be true. Oh wow. Wow. But
[32:50] Speaker 1: like speak on like that.
[32:53] Speaker 3: You know, well I did, I grew up in like
[32:56] Speaker 3: very folk influence houses. So everything from Van Morrison, Joni Mitchell, um,
[33:01] Speaker 3: Leonard Cohen, like really good music. Bruce Springsteen, the Cat Stevens.
[33:05] Speaker 3: And then I heard the Spice Girls and it was
[33:07] Speaker 3: like trying sugar for the first time after being given
[33:11] Speaker 3: only really healthy food. And I was just so like,
[33:15] Speaker 3: you know.
[33:16] Speaker 1: What I mean? I was just like, what is this candy?
[33:19] Speaker 3: And I also, I needed to like paint my nails
[33:22] Speaker 3: all of a sudden and shave my legs. And I
[33:24] Speaker 3: just wanted... to experience the joy and fun and silliness
[33:28] Speaker 3: of choreographing to a Spice Girls song with my girlfriends
[33:32] Speaker 3: until the wee hours. And wasn't that a time to
[33:34] Speaker 3: be alive?
[33:35] Speaker 1: It really was.
[33:35] Speaker 4: Like the cherry.
[33:36] Speaker 3: Chapstick, come on.
[33:38] Speaker 2: Come on. Cherry chapstick. There's this frivolity when people talk
[33:44] Speaker 2: about girly pop. It's like, well, God forbid women enjoy
[33:49] Speaker 2: and do something. You know what I mean? It's like
[33:52] Speaker 2: the Spice Girls, for us, we were miles and miles
[33:56] Speaker 2: away from each other at that time. But we had
[33:58] Speaker 2: the same exact response to it, which was, oh my God,
[34:00] Speaker 2: the first time I read liner notes was for those albums.
[34:04] Speaker 3: I actually didn't even know their names. I had heard
[34:07] Speaker 3: the song on the radio.
[34:08] Speaker 2: Want to be.
[34:09] Speaker 4: Yes.
[34:10] Speaker 3: And I went to the record store and I said
[34:12] Speaker 3: to the guy with like, who had never, and I
[34:14] Speaker 3: was like, there's this new band.
[34:15] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:16] Speaker 3: I don't know what they're called, but it's like, tell
[34:19] Speaker 3: me what you want, what you really, and he was like,
[34:20] Speaker 3: right this way.
[34:22] Speaker 1: It was like that with Britney Spears too. There was
[34:24] Speaker 1: a day before they existed and then there was a day.
[34:27] Speaker 2: After they existed.
[34:27] Speaker 3: And then I was like, put it in my veins.
[34:29] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[34:29] Speaker 3: And I was very excited. And I think my parents
[34:32] Speaker 3: were like, know about this like what's happening to our
[34:36] Speaker 3: daughter and i was like i don't know either yeah
[34:39] Speaker 3: i remember my dad being like i don't get them
[34:41] Speaker 3: yeah i don't get them yeah but like that's so
[34:45] Speaker 3: i guess that's in.
[34:47] Speaker 2: Like a post madonna world that's like there is a
[34:50] Speaker 2: blueprint for that it's like it's just times five it's
[34:52] Speaker 2: like these like empowered women, but there's five of them,
[34:54] Speaker 2: and they're all representing a different thing. But the hooks
[34:57] Speaker 2: are the hooks.
[34:57] Speaker 3: It's Max Martin at the end, just doing the Wizard
[35:00] Speaker 3: of Oz thing that he does, which is just make
[35:03] Speaker 3: magic happen. And you're like, okay.
[35:05] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[35:06] Speaker 1: Well, they really embodied it. A hundred percent. It makes
[35:10] Speaker 1: sense that you say this was formative for you because
[35:14] Speaker 1: it's the same type of thing. It's a real commitment to...
[35:19] Speaker 1: having fun and having a good time, but also in
[35:21] Speaker 1: the music, there were real messages. I remember when I
[35:24] Speaker 1: heard to become one and I was like, wow, they're
[35:26] Speaker 1: really saying something like important about safe sex. Like that's
[35:32] Speaker 1: what that song is about. Like in a way they
[35:34] Speaker 1: gave it the whole bridge, like bridge.
[35:36] Speaker 3: I guess.
[35:37] Speaker 2: Um, I think the highlight of my pride, 2019 world
[35:41] Speaker 2: pride in New York city before COVID, this was like
[35:44] Speaker 2: the thing I held on to so tightly during the pandemic. Um,
[35:48] Speaker 2: still do, is Ty Sunderland threw a party. He went
[35:53] Speaker 2: from who do you think you are into cut to
[35:56] Speaker 2: the feeling. And I was, I've never been happier in
[36:00] Speaker 2: my life.
[36:01] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[36:02] Speaker 2: Wow.
[36:03] Speaker 4: I love being in their playlist.
[36:05] Speaker 3: Yes.
[36:05] Speaker 4: I just like being.
[36:06] Speaker 1: In the So Ty Sunderland, this is a sort of
[36:09] Speaker 1: capital GG gay guy. And he is going to put
[36:12] Speaker 1: Carly Rae in the playlist next to Spice Girls.
[36:14] Speaker 2: Next to Spice Girls.
[36:15] Speaker 1: You have to know that every gay man we told
[36:17] Speaker 1: that you were coming was like, can you please just
[36:18] Speaker 1: tell her? I was like, I know. How important.
[36:23] Speaker 2: It's like we're meeting the Pope. It's like everyone's like,
[36:26] Speaker 2: tell her that my family is sick.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Tell her that.
[36:28] Speaker 2: And.
[36:31] Speaker 1: Can CRJ prey on us?
[36:32] Speaker 2: Can she prey on us? But I want to ask
[36:36] Speaker 2: the classic, who were you at the time? Which Spice Girl?
[36:41] Speaker 4: Which Spice Girl?
[36:42] Speaker 2: And then who were you at the time and who
[36:43] Speaker 2: are you now? If that's changed.
[36:45] Speaker 3: I mean, weren't we all baby at the beginning?
[36:47] Speaker 4: We kind of were all baby.
[36:48] Speaker 3: Because we wanted the lollipop and the pigtails. And we
[36:52] Speaker 3: didn't really understand any sexual innuendo yet about what that meant.
[36:56] Speaker 3: It was more just like, the baby.
[36:58] Speaker 1: She was the easiest one to get into on the
[37:01] Speaker 1: ground floor.
[37:01] Speaker 3: She was a nice starter point. But then at some
[37:04] Speaker 3: point casually, I don't know why I would think my
[37:07] Speaker 3: father had authority on this, but he said that he
[37:10] Speaker 3: thought Jerry Spice was like the brains behind the business,
[37:13] Speaker 3: like the business woman. And I always was like, well,
[37:17] Speaker 3: I want to be the brains behind the business.
[37:20] Speaker 1: So I switched.
[37:23] Speaker 3: I was like, I want to be Ginger Spice because
[37:25] Speaker 3: I want to I want to own the operation, you know?
[37:29] Speaker 1: Well, she was the one that was really coming out
[37:31] Speaker 1: and being like, listen, feminism, girl power. I carry the message.
[37:36] Speaker 1: I am wearing the flag.
[37:37] Speaker 3: But what I have questions about now is like, where
[37:39] Speaker 3: did my father get this intel?
[37:42] Speaker 1: She has executive realness. She just has executive realness.
[37:46] Speaker 2: Well, she was like the face of it. I think
[37:48] Speaker 2: she really was like the spokesperson in the sense of like...
[37:51] Speaker 2: they would pass the mic to her in a group
[37:53] Speaker 2: interview setting, maybe. But wait, is your dad like a
[37:55] Speaker 2: music buff? Does he like?
[37:57] Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, absolutely.
[38:00] Speaker 2: I think he just probably had this general curiosity about
[38:03] Speaker 2: who are these people? What are they about?
[38:06] Speaker 3: But anyways, it instilled in me I wanted to be
[38:09] Speaker 3: in the business of music as well.
[38:10] Speaker 2: First time being a redhead? Right now?
[38:13] Speaker 3: Actually, second.
[38:14] Speaker 2: Second!
[38:15] Speaker 3: Second time. No one saw it, but I was a
[38:18] Speaker 3: redhead when I was Cinderella on Broadway.
[38:20] Speaker 2: Oh, yes!
[38:20] Speaker 4: I was just under a wig.
[38:21] Speaker 3: So no one could see. It was just me living
[38:23] Speaker 3: my little redhead life.
[38:25] Speaker 1: You were in redhead in Greece. You were Frenchie.
[38:27] Speaker 2: You were Frenchie. You were blonde.
[38:29] Speaker 3: I had a black kind of mullet thing growing out.
[38:33] Speaker 2: Oh, this was during America.
[38:34] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
[38:35] Speaker 3: So then I just had all the pink wigs and stuff.
[38:36] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[38:37] Speaker 2: It was a pink wig. That's right.
[38:38] Speaker 3: Pink and orange. There was a lot of... There was
[38:40] Speaker 3: a pineapple wig.
[38:41] Speaker 1: I mean, she was a beauty school dropout.
[38:43] Speaker 2: She really.
[38:43] Speaker 4: That's kind of the joy of Frenchie.
[38:45] Speaker 1: The joy of Frenchie.
[38:47] Speaker 2: That's maybe like... I think it's like the secret favorite
[38:50] Speaker 2: number of the show. All I need is an angel.
[38:53] Speaker 3: Tom Kitt, ladies and gentlemen.
[38:55] Speaker 4: Tom Kitt?
[38:55] Speaker 3: He is working on 10 Things With Me.
[38:58] Speaker 1: Okay, this is a perfect segue.
[38:59] Speaker 2: Stop everything. We gotta ask. What can you tell us?
[39:02] Speaker 1: About 10 Things I Hate About You, the musical? This
[39:04] Speaker 1: is crazy.
[39:05] Speaker 2: Lena Dunham and Carly Rae Jepsen. It's crazy.
[39:07] Speaker 1: Lena Dunham and you.
[39:09] Speaker 4: It's crazy.
[39:09] Speaker 1: This is like, everyone's gonna explode, but... How did it
[39:13] Speaker 1: come about? Have you always loved it?
[39:15] Speaker 3: Like, tell us everything. It's like a whole little team
[39:16] Speaker 3: of Avengers, to be honest. Because I also, like, my
[39:19] Speaker 3: writing partner on the music side of it is Ethan Greska.
[39:22] Speaker 3: Do you guys know Ethan? Yes. He's, like, huge, huge,
[39:25] Speaker 3: huge fan. Like, the Phoebe Bridgers.
[39:26] Speaker 2: And the right.
[39:27] Speaker 1: Amazing.
[39:27] Speaker 3: He's like, and he's just like, his voice in his
[39:30] Speaker 3: own right when we're writing little characters, I'm like, oh
[39:32] Speaker 3: my God, it's amazing to hear things come together. And
[39:35] Speaker 3: then Jessica Wong and Lena Dunham and then- Obviously, do
[39:40] Speaker 3: you know Christopher Wilden?
[39:41] Speaker 5: He is like, oh my gosh, I have such a
[39:44] Speaker 5: creative crush on him.
[39:45] Speaker 3: He's our director and choreographer. He comes from the world
[39:48] Speaker 3: of ballet, so he's bringing a whole bunch of.
[39:50] Speaker 1: A director-choreographer is a really smart thing because... It's incredible. Yeah,
[39:55] Speaker 1: it's such a huge advantage to a production.
[39:57] Speaker 3: And then Tom Kitt is our musical director. That is incredible.
[40:01] Speaker 3: It is really so dreamy. Mike Bosner brought us all together,
[40:05] Speaker 3: and we're just in the room... I'm sort of still
[40:08] Speaker 3: doing that like, am I allowed to be here?
[40:11] Speaker 5: How did this happen?
[40:11] Speaker 2: This is wild.
[40:13] Speaker 3: But it's such a dream project because what a cult classic.
[40:17] Speaker 3: And then to be able to think about when and
[40:19] Speaker 3: how music participates in this story is just so exciting.
[40:22] Speaker 1: 10 Things I Hate About You is having its cultural
[40:25] Speaker 1: reemergence again, I feel, because Julia Stiles is on Dancing
[40:28] Speaker 1: with the Stars and I feel like she is going
[40:30] Speaker 1: to tear it up.
[40:31] Speaker 3: I mean, Save the Last Dance.
[40:33] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:35] Speaker 3: Her table moment.
[40:36] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Was she O? She was O.
[40:39] Speaker 1: She was O. She was an Ophelia. The modern Ophelia. No.
[40:42] Speaker 2: Oh, Othello.
[40:43] Speaker 1: Othello.
[40:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The modern Ophelia didn't end well.
[40:46] Speaker 1: The fate of Ophelia.
[40:47] Speaker 2: Well, I guess Othello didn't end well either. No, neither.
[40:49] Speaker 3: But it also seems like a story about a raging woman.
[40:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:54] Speaker 3: That's exciting to see.
[40:55] Speaker 1: Was Cat Stratford important for you in seeing the movie
[40:58] Speaker 1: when you first saw it?
[41:00] Speaker 3: I mean, yes, it was so exciting to see a
[41:03] Speaker 3: woman just kind of like that, who was so comfortable
[41:06] Speaker 3: in her own power and didn't really give a shit
[41:09] Speaker 3: about what anyone thought of her. That was just like,
[41:11] Speaker 3: come on.
[41:12] Speaker 1: We were saying the other day, like I was talking
[41:14] Speaker 1: about this with some people and we were talking about
[41:15] Speaker 1: how Julia Stiles always carried, like, an intelligence and a maturity,
[41:21] Speaker 1: even when she was really young. Like, she was young
[41:24] Speaker 1: in those movies.
[41:25] Speaker 3: Of course.
[41:25] Speaker 1: And she always seemed, like, older. Like, she was perfect
[41:29] Speaker 1: casting for that because she had so much wisdom.
[41:32] Speaker 3: I agree. You know what else? We were doing a
[41:34] Speaker 3: Google search of the ages of some of these actors
[41:36] Speaker 3: because we've watched the movie now a bajillion times. Heath
[41:39] Speaker 3: Ledger was 17.
[41:39] Speaker 4: Zygo.
[41:41] Speaker 3: That makes no sense. Didn't he seem like he was
[41:44] Speaker 3: in his.
[41:44] Speaker 1: Like, Because you would.
[41:46] Speaker 3: Think that's one of those that.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Cast older people to play teens, but that was not
[41:51] Speaker 1: one of them.
[41:51] Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no.
[41:52] Speaker 2: Gabrielle Union must have been, what, like 15 or something.
[41:55] Speaker 3: I actually forget the number of that one.
[41:57] Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Yeah, crazy.
[41:58] Speaker 1: We can look it up.
[42:00] Speaker 2: It is such an important movie. It was my first
[42:02] Speaker 2: exposure to Alice and Janney. Oh, wow. There's just so
[42:07] Speaker 2: many good characters in that because it's Shakespeare, but it's like,
[42:10] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[42:11] Speaker 3: That's the other thing. It's Shakespeare. And we forget that
[42:14] Speaker 3: it's based off the Taming of the Shrew. But that
[42:16] Speaker 3: is part of the fun, too. It's just like mix
[42:18] Speaker 3: all those bits together.
[42:21] Speaker 4: It's a lot to play with.
[42:23] Speaker 2: What does he sing at the Risers? I love you, baby.
[42:25] Speaker 1: No, it's... Yeah, well, yeah, but it's... Can't keep my eyes.
[42:28] Speaker 2: Off of you. Can't keep my eyes off of you. Yeah, yeah,
[42:30] Speaker 2: that's what the song is. Which you don't have to
[42:32] Speaker 2: confirm or deny if you're using that. But just... I
[42:34] Speaker 2: think everyone's holding their breath for... And this is not
[42:36] Speaker 2: to add pressure, but it's like, I'm sure there will
[42:39] Speaker 2: be a number of her reading the song or the
[42:42] Speaker 2: poem or whatever at the end. Oh, my God.
[42:44] Speaker 3: Or something.
[42:45] Speaker 1: Or something.
[42:47] Speaker 3: Can I either confirm or deny?
[42:49] Speaker 4: I should just start saying that a lot.
[42:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, can't confirm or deny.
[42:52] Speaker 3: Because you've got to come and see it.
[42:53] Speaker 1: I know, of course. But is there like a targeted
[42:55] Speaker 1: opening for it?
[42:56] Speaker 2: Do we know?
[42:57] Speaker 3: I think pretty much like a year from now is
[43:00] Speaker 3: our target, yeah.
[43:01] Speaker 1: So you're like, but you're in it right now in
[43:03] Speaker 1: a way.
[43:04] Speaker 3: Oh, I've been in it for a few years.
[43:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, they take a long time.
[43:06] Speaker 3: They take a long time. But it's crucial to get right.
[43:09] Speaker 3: It's an art form that's so important to handle with care. So, yeah,
[43:13] Speaker 3: it's been– it's so fun, too, because in my world, I'll, like,
[43:16] Speaker 3: get into, like, an album, and I'm like, okay, like,
[43:18] Speaker 3: what do I– where is my world right now? And
[43:20] Speaker 3: this is such a different thing because you're getting to
[43:23] Speaker 3: kind of– I've never really gotten to write for, like,
[43:25] Speaker 3: men before. That's so interesting. Yeah, it's really fun to, like,
[43:30] Speaker 3: think about how different people would– I don't know. Go
[43:33] Speaker 3: through something.
[43:34] Speaker 1: How does a fuckboy think? Truly, you should see our
[43:38] Speaker 1: text threads.
[43:39] Speaker 4: We're like, oh, I've dated this guy.
[43:43] Speaker 1: You and Lena?
[43:44] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
[43:44] Speaker 1: Me and Jess and Lena.
[43:46] Speaker 2: One of our great texters. Not to brag, but she's
[43:48] Speaker 2: a good texter.
[43:49] Speaker 3: She is a good texter.
[43:50] Speaker 1: No, it's good.
[43:52] Speaker 2: Does Cole give you insights on men?
[43:54] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean... Cole, I mean, I think I
[43:57] Speaker 3: married him because he's probably not like other men.
[44:01] Speaker 2: I see.
[44:01] Speaker 3: In the best way possible. Not that I, I mean,
[44:03] Speaker 3: I love men. But Cole is just like, Cole is
[44:07] Speaker 3: just like, but, I love men.
[44:09] Speaker 1: Love men.
[44:10] Speaker 3: But he's, he's, I don't think he takes it exactly
[44:14] Speaker 3: the same way in the way that he thinks, which
[44:16] Speaker 3: is really surprising.
[44:18] Speaker 1: Well, he's a creative man.
[44:19] Speaker 3: He's a creative guy.
[44:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[44:20] Speaker 3: Yeah. And he's a gentle soul.
[44:22] Speaker 1: What's his sign?
[44:23] Speaker 3: He's a Pisces.
[44:24] Speaker 1: I am too. What is yours?
[44:25] Speaker 3: Oh, I'm a Scorpio.
[44:28] Speaker 2: Hey. Scorpio Canadian.
[44:29] Speaker 1: This is good.
[44:29] Speaker 4: Are we allowed to celebrate? Because I heard that we're
[44:31] Speaker 4: like the worst sign.
[44:32] Speaker 2: No, here's the thing.
[44:33] Speaker 1: No, don't believe that.
[44:34] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
[44:35] Speaker 1: Don't believe that.
[44:36] Speaker 2: I just got a reading from Colin Bedell, Queer Cosmos.
[44:38] Speaker 2: It's like Scorpio is a sign of privacy regulation. Okay.
[44:41] Speaker 2: And so it's like you get to treat, you get
[44:44] Speaker 2: to have this, and I feel like that's your thing
[44:46] Speaker 2: for sure.
[44:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[44:47] Speaker 2: I feel like you've kept such a healthy distance, and especially,
[44:49] Speaker 2: and this is not me opening up the conversation, but
[44:52] Speaker 2: it's like I think with the way that you And Cole, or, like,
[44:56] Speaker 2: keeping your family life to yourselves is, like, and I
[45:01] Speaker 2: have a million things to say about this, but it's, like,
[45:03] Speaker 2: part of that. It's so indicative of this. Scorpios and Gemini,
[45:06] Speaker 2: they're both in my chart all over the place, and
[45:08] Speaker 2: people clutch their damn pearls, and I'm like, enough. It's enough.
[45:11] Speaker 1: That's quite enough.
[45:13] Speaker 3: I feel like whenever I've done, like, the quick search
[45:15] Speaker 3: of it, it's, like, power hungry, competitive.
[45:17] Speaker 1: Nope.
[45:18] Speaker 3: And I'm like, I mean, those things are true.
[45:21] Speaker 1: And they're also not negative.
[45:24] Speaker 3: But more like, I mean, I picked Ginger Spice because
[45:29] Speaker 3: she ran the show and I watched that.
[45:31] Speaker 4: I was like, oh, God.
[45:32] Speaker 2: You don't need to be sheepish about wanting control. Creative. Exactly.
[45:37] Speaker 3: Control.
[45:37] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[45:38] Speaker 4: That's important.
[45:39] Speaker 1: And also because when you know you have something to give,
[45:43] Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing to seek out a stage
[45:45] Speaker 1: to give that. You know what I mean? That's actually.
[45:47] Speaker 3: That's a sweet thing to say.
[45:48] Speaker 1: I think that what your music really does, and I, like, again,
[45:53] Speaker 1: I come to you, like, we come to you as
[45:56] Speaker 1: fans of yours for, like, over a decade now, but
[45:59] Speaker 1: you provide such an amazing emotional landscape. Like, I was
[46:04] Speaker 1: listening to... I decided today I had to walk to
[46:07] Speaker 1: the studio, even though it was a little muggy and hot,
[46:09] Speaker 1: because I was like, I need to be stomping the
[46:11] Speaker 1: streets to Carly Rae. Like, you fill our.
[46:16] Speaker 1: You fill our lives with a lot of like, like
[46:19] Speaker 1: very vivid. Of course, I'm going to say it emotion.
[46:22] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[46:22] Speaker 1: Just the vortex of emotions. Um, and that, that is,
[46:27] Speaker 1: that is, but that is true.
[46:28] Speaker 3: That's, um, I feel like I could cry and I
[46:31] Speaker 3: don't mean that. And like, just hearing that it's so sweet.
[46:33] Speaker 3: And I, it's, um, it's funny. I think why I
[46:36] Speaker 3: feel like, huh, about it is, The truth of it
[46:40] Speaker 3: is I remember feeling when I was little, and I
[46:42] Speaker 3: think we all felt this way, almost like our emotions
[46:44] Speaker 3: were like these things that were bad, like that were
[46:48] Speaker 3: like needed to be tamed. Like, did you grow up
[46:49] Speaker 3: in a house where a little bit, like it was
[46:51] Speaker 3: almost like.
[46:51] Speaker 4: Rude if you had.
[46:55] Speaker 3: Too big of a thing? And I don't think my
[46:58] Speaker 3: parents meant anything bad by it, but it was sort
[46:59] Speaker 3: of just this almost like, You have to be careful
[47:03] Speaker 3: when something gets out of hand. And I think that
[47:07] Speaker 3: there's truth to that. I think as an adult, you
[47:08] Speaker 3: should be able to control a little bit of how
[47:11] Speaker 3: you move through life. But I feel like music is
[47:14] Speaker 3: this beautiful place. Well, you don't have to. And I'm
[47:17] Speaker 3: so lucky I found it because I can let things
[47:20] Speaker 3: run wild. And then to hear you say that there's
[47:22] Speaker 3: like a connectivity to it where you're like, I get
[47:25] Speaker 3: it too sometimes. Because I feel like we all have
[47:28] Speaker 3: little mini soap operas happening inside our hearts. And it's
[47:30] Speaker 3: just nice to like go there sometimes, right? Of course.
[47:33] Speaker 1: I want you to love Now That I Found You more.
[47:36] Speaker 2: No.
[47:36] Speaker 1: Really?
[47:36] Speaker 3: Now That I Found You.
[47:39] Speaker 1: When you come in with that like, like, like.
[47:41] Speaker 2: Your key choices, my friend.
[47:43] Speaker 1: I just, yeah. Honestly, they're so smart. They're so musical.
[47:46] Speaker 1: The way that you jump around in your music, it's surprising.
[47:49] Speaker 1: It feels euphoric. And also one of my favorite songs
[47:53] Speaker 1: of yours is Party for One.
[47:54] Speaker 2: Of course.
[47:55] Speaker 1: I love Party for One. I actually wrote down, I was,
[47:58] Speaker 1: of course, listening to everything and I was just like, oh,
[48:01] Speaker 1: gotta make sure I mention this one. Gotta make sure
[48:03] Speaker 1: I mention this one. It's amazing.
[48:07] Speaker 3: I was asked in an interview the other day, they're like,
[48:09] Speaker 3: what did he mean when you said making love to myself?
[48:13] Speaker 1: I'm jilling off.
[48:14] Speaker 3: I was like, I do not answer, but I would
[48:16] Speaker 3: like to, yes.
[48:17] Speaker 1: Jilling off.
[48:18] Speaker 2: You're jilling off.
[48:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, quite clearly.
[48:20] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[48:20] Speaker 4: We have to spell it out.
[48:21] Speaker 1: Well, it's because some people, they just, you know, they
[48:23] Speaker 1: want the sound bite, Carly.
[48:24] Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
[48:24] Speaker 1: They want the sound bite.
[48:25] Speaker 3: Oh, well, you have it here now.
[48:27] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[48:27] Speaker 3: There you go.
[48:28] Speaker 2: Well, you don't even have to say jilling off. We
[48:30] Speaker 2: did that for you.
[48:31] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[48:31] Speaker 2: But they won't say that.
[48:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[48:33] Speaker 1: Wait, do you smell that? I don't have, I don't
[48:35] Speaker 1: smell it.
[48:35] Speaker 2: It smells like, like, I'm.
[48:38] Speaker 3: Concerned you're going to have a stroke or something. I
[48:41] Speaker 3: feel very scared.
[48:43] Speaker 2: Whatever. It's fine.
[48:44] Speaker 4: I feel worried.
[48:45] Speaker 2: Well, now that I found you. No, it's fine.
[48:47] Speaker 1: It's fine.
[48:47] Speaker 2: Don't worry. Everybody, it's fine. Now that I found you,
[48:50] Speaker 2: I think maybe you feel a certain way about it
[48:53] Speaker 2: because it was used as like promo for something else.
[48:56] Speaker 3: What was it you sprayed?
[48:57] Speaker 2: The Queer Eye Season 3. Oh, that's the best.
[49:00] Speaker 1: I know.
[49:01] Speaker 4: That makes me love it more.
[49:02] Speaker 2: Of course.
[49:02] Speaker 1: We hope they get along. Is there drama?
[49:06] Speaker 5: Oh, God.
[49:06] Speaker 1: There's so much drama with those gays all the time.
[49:09] Speaker 2: Don't worry about the drama.
[49:10] Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. I want to know about the drama.
[49:11] Speaker 2: I don't know about the drama, honestly.
[49:13] Speaker 4: You don't know about the drama?
[49:14] Speaker 1: Well, it feels like you open up to Instagram and
[49:15] Speaker 1: there's always new drama with those queer eyes.
[49:17] Speaker 2: It's like they're making it up.
[49:18] Speaker 1: It's like a vortex of drama.
[49:19] Speaker 2: It's a vortex. I smell chicory. Chicory. Like it's cold,
[49:25] Speaker 2: like New Orleans style cold brew.
[49:27] Speaker 4: Okay.
[49:28] Speaker 1: What the hell?
[49:29] Speaker 2: I don't know. Whatever.
[49:30] Speaker 4: What kind of cold brew are you drinking?
[49:32] Speaker 1: Chicory.
[49:33] Speaker 2: Chicory.
[49:34] Speaker 3: Okay.
[49:34] Speaker 1: Oh, no, just look it up.
[49:35] Speaker 2: Could it be?
[49:36] Speaker 1: No. No. What is that? We're going to reveal.
[49:39] Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
[49:39] Speaker 2: You would like that, actually.
[49:40] Speaker 3: Can I?
[49:40] Speaker 1: You should. Actually, that's really good.
[49:43] Speaker 3: Oh, man. Yeah.
[49:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[49:46] Speaker 1: Get the chicory smell out of here.
[49:47] Speaker 4: Very nice.
[49:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[49:48] Speaker 3: Do you want me to do it?
[49:49] Speaker 2: Yes, please. Yeah, do it. There you go. This is
[49:50] Speaker 2: the time we reveal to you what the secrets are
[49:52] Speaker 2: of this episode.
[49:53] Speaker 1: There were secrets happening during the episode. Shoot, I missed it.
[49:56] Speaker 2: No, no, no. Well, that's the point. Mine was really crazy.
[50:00] Speaker 3: Was it that you were smelling chicken?
[50:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[50:02] Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
[50:02] Speaker 2: He kind of leaned on it.
[50:03] Speaker 1: He leaned on it very hard at the end.
[50:05] Speaker 2: At the end, and I did, because I forgot to
[50:06] Speaker 2: intersperse it throughout, and I was like, wait, that's just,
[50:08] Speaker 2: I can't do it.
[50:09] Speaker 3: Oh, and I low-key just thought you were, like, maybe needing, like,
[50:11] Speaker 3: a hospital visit.
[50:11] Speaker 4: I need medical attention. Okay, cool, cool, cool.
[50:13] Speaker 1: Okay, what was mine? What was my weird thing that
[50:14] Speaker 1: I was doing the whole time? I... I snuck it in.
[50:19] Speaker 4: I really don't know.
[50:20] Speaker 1: I really overused the word vortex.
[50:23] Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
[50:24] Speaker 4: Okay, I see it now.
[50:26] Speaker 3: Yeah. But I didn't see it. You did it very sneakily.
[50:28] Speaker 2: It's like.
[50:30] Speaker 1: I was sneaky about it. This is a new bit
[50:32] Speaker 1: we're doing.
[50:32] Speaker 4: I love it.
[50:34] Speaker 3: We did this at Christmas with my parents.
[50:36] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what was it?
[50:38] Speaker 3: I think we saw it online and I think it
[50:40] Speaker 3: was my sister-in-law's idea. Where we would just, we all
[50:43] Speaker 3: of us, my brother, my sister, and all of our partners,
[50:47] Speaker 3: We'd each have this different line that we would try
[50:49] Speaker 3: with our parents to see if our parents would note it.
[50:51] Speaker 1: Did they?
[50:52] Speaker 3: My sisters was to keep saying, I think we saw
[50:54] Speaker 3: somebody do this and we thought it was funny, but
[50:56] Speaker 3: my sisters was to keep saying, I have an announcement.
[51:00] Speaker 3: And then she would never announce anything.
[51:03] Speaker 1: Britney Bateman quoted.
[51:04] Speaker 2: Britney Bateman quoted.
[51:05] Speaker 3: And my brothers was to do like a slow clap.
[51:07] Speaker 3: And then we were all supposed to participate in the
[51:10] Speaker 3: clap for no reason.
[51:11] Speaker 1: And your parents were like, that's weird.
[51:12] Speaker 3: And they were just like clapping too sometimes. Just like
[51:15] Speaker 3: very confused.
[51:16] Speaker 2: What was yours? You surely remember yours.
[51:17] Speaker 3: What was mine? I think Harrison's and mine was a
[51:23] Speaker 3: combination of talking about whether or not aliens were real
[51:27] Speaker 3: or not. But just like constantly.
[51:29] Speaker 2: So these are all things that you've named that are
[51:32] Speaker 2: immensely noticeable.
[51:34] Speaker 1: Like a slow clap. I haven't announced it. Or like
[51:39] Speaker 1: you announcing that there was a chicory smell the whole time.
[51:42] Speaker 3: No, I think your game is better. I think we
[51:45] Speaker 3: riffed on ours from something we saw, but we thought
[51:47] Speaker 3: it was funny.
[51:47] Speaker 1: Well, let's just stop for a second and actually answer
[51:49] Speaker 1: that question. Are there aliens?
[51:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[51:53] Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, you're asking me?
[51:54] Speaker 2: Yeah. What do you think?
[51:56] Speaker 1: Of course I'm asking you. I mean.
[51:59] Speaker 4: On earth or like in the world?
[52:01] Speaker 3: I mean, in the universe?
[52:03] Speaker 1: Sounds like you want us to answer it.
[52:05] Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no.
[52:06] Speaker 3: No, I know I'm asking that specific question because I
[52:08] Speaker 3: don't know if I think that they're on the Earth.
[52:11] Speaker 1: Right.
[52:11] Speaker 5: But in the universe, that sounds exciting.
[52:14] Speaker 2: And I want you to not think about the universe
[52:16] Speaker 2: because I feel like that's a cop-out for everyone because
[52:19] Speaker 2: I always say, well, surely there's other life out there.
[52:21] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that is a good... I was going to
[52:23] Speaker 3: say that. I'm glad I didn't now because, yeah.
[52:25] Speaker 1: We're talking about are they here and potentially.
[52:27] Speaker 2: In the room? Are they in the room?
[52:29] Speaker 4: And who isn't?
[52:30] Speaker 3: Oh, oh.
[52:31] Speaker 1: It's Becca.
[52:31] Speaker 2: Surely you've met, it's Becca.
[52:32] Speaker 1: She's an alien.
[52:33] Speaker 2: I'm sure you've met people where you're like, that's an alien.
[52:36] Speaker 3: I think that, I feel like that more about like vampires. Yeah.
[52:39] Speaker 3: Like this person has not aged at all.
[52:42] Speaker 1: She's a vampire. I think that a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[52:44] Speaker 2: I get that. Name names. No, you don't have to.
[52:47] Speaker 1: Well, maybe you're a vampire.
[52:49] Speaker 3: My girlfriend Molly.
[52:51] Speaker 4: My girlfriend Molly's a vampire.
[52:53] Speaker 1: She's a vampire.
[52:56] Speaker 2: Well, I hope you enjoyed those secrets.
[52:59] Speaker 3: I did, thank you.
[53:00] Speaker 2: Because it's not, it's running all the way up to
[53:03] Speaker 2: the line into prank culture, which we are not a
[53:06] Speaker 2: fan of.
[53:06] Speaker 3: Okay, have you ever had a guest do it on you?
[53:09] Speaker 2: Not yet. You're only our third guest we've tried this on. Yeah.
[53:12] Speaker 3: So did they just like say some, you know, I
[53:15] Speaker 3: wish I had known.
[53:16] Speaker 4: I could have.
[53:17] Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. This is the first time that
[53:18] Speaker 1: we've gotten the secrets past the guest. Oh, so I'm
[53:22] Speaker 1: the dumbest?
[53:23] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[53:23] Speaker 1: Because I think, I honestly know, but it just means
[53:26] Speaker 1: we're getting better at it.
[53:28] Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. We're getting better at it.
[53:29] Speaker 3: We're getting better at it. Okay, you aren't very good.
[53:31] Speaker 2: With Troye Sivan, it was I was calling him Tro, casually.
[53:35] Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
[53:36] Speaker 2: And then Matt would say the word correctamundo. Correctamundo. And
[53:39] Speaker 2: then with our previous guest, Spike Einbinder and Honey Pluton,
[53:43] Speaker 2: I chickened out of mine. Mine was originally going to
[53:45] Speaker 2: be saying Vortex.
[53:46] Speaker 3: Okay.
[53:46] Speaker 2: And then Matt's, which she executed a few times, was
[53:49] Speaker 2: trying to kill a fly in the room that wasn't there.
[53:52] Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
[53:54] Speaker 1: And they were like, we don't see it. And I
[53:56] Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what to say.
[53:58] Speaker 4: I like it. I like it a lot.
[54:00] Speaker 3: Okay, I want to try to catch them before I'm
[54:03] Speaker 3: going to. This is my new game.
[54:04] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[54:05] Speaker 1: And you can play on home too.
[54:07] Speaker 4: You can play it too.
[54:08] Speaker 2: Yeah. This is why we don't reveal until.
[54:10] Speaker 4: Actually, it's a good idea.
[54:11] Speaker 3: And then people can like say the second that they
[54:13] Speaker 3: got it.
[54:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
[54:14] Speaker 3: Like I got it at 12 seconds.
[54:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[54:17] Speaker 3: I got it at a minute 30.
[54:17] Speaker 1: There's no prize or anything.
[54:20] Speaker 2: Ooh.
[54:20] Speaker 4: There's no prize?
[54:21] Speaker 2: No.
[54:23] Speaker 1: You know what? You want one of these? Yes, I
[54:25] Speaker 1: will take the free edition. Take that. Take that. Monday.
[54:28] Speaker 4: Monday.
[54:28] Speaker 1: Day and night. Day and night.
[54:34] Speaker 2: Day and night.
[54:35] Speaker 1: September 18th.
[54:36] Speaker 2: September 18th. It's so damn good.
[54:39] Speaker 1: It's your opus.
[54:40] Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
[54:41] Speaker 4: Thank you.
[54:42] Speaker 3: I feel like I came here today and I'm just
[54:44] Speaker 3: going to leave with red cheeks. You're being very sweet.
[54:48] Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
[54:49] Speaker 1: Well, we love you. And honestly, we have good news
[54:51] Speaker 1: about Spice Girls culture too because isn't Spice World going
[54:54] Speaker 1: to be available to stream soon?
[54:56] Speaker 2: They've been saying this for years.
[54:57] Speaker 1: They've been saying for a very long time. Are you
[54:59] Speaker 1: kidding me?
[55:00] Speaker 3: The VHS? I owned that.
[55:02] Speaker 1: And it's like you can't watch it if you want
[55:04] Speaker 1: to watch it. Like it's crazy. It's like not out there.
[55:07] Speaker 3: I recently introduced my niece Ivy to the Spice Girls.
[55:10] Speaker 3: And when we did our little dance performance, I was like,
[55:13] Speaker 3: I have something you might like. It was really fun
[55:17] Speaker 3: to see her discovering my one joy as a child.
[55:21] Speaker 1: Did it hit? It hit.
[55:21] Speaker 2: She also did come to me and.
[55:23] Speaker 3: Say, Auntie Carly, I know a song that you know
[55:30] Speaker 3: and sang Call Me Baby to me and that was
[55:32] Speaker 3: very weird because I was like, I've had a lot
[55:33] Speaker 3: of people do this cover but.
[55:34] Speaker 4: You weren't born.
[55:35] Speaker 3: This is wild.
[55:37] Speaker 4: She's like, do you know it?
[55:38] Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm familiar.
[55:39] Speaker 1: I do know it.
[55:41] Speaker 4: I know that one.
[55:43] Speaker 1: So just to speak on that song because it's one
[55:45] Speaker 1: of the biggest songs of all time, casually, when you
[55:48] Speaker 1: were writing.
[55:49] Speaker 2: That, no, keep it.
[55:49] Speaker 4: Do you feel like I don't know what to do?
[55:51] Speaker 3: Keep it.
[55:51] Speaker 1: Put it wherever. There you go. When you were writing
[55:54] Speaker 1: that song, were you like, there's no way or were
[55:57] Speaker 1: you like, There's a way.
[55:58] Speaker 2: Oh, gosh.
[56:00] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know how to answer that totally.
[56:03] Speaker 3: You have to understand there's something embarrassing about the answer
[56:06] Speaker 3: because I had some wild confidence about myself when I
[56:12] Speaker 3: was a child that I was just going to be
[56:14] Speaker 3: a singer. I didn't realize how hard it might be.
[56:17] Speaker 3: I just really felt like this was in the cards
[56:20] Speaker 3: for me. And then I remember I was little orphan Annie.
[56:23] Speaker 3: in my elementary school and on a mission, a small,
[56:26] Speaker 3: small town in Canada called Mission. And on closing night,
[56:30] Speaker 3: I remember saying to my parents, what if I'm just
[56:33] Speaker 3: this child star?
[56:37] Speaker 1: What if I just have peaks? What if that was
[56:39] Speaker 1: my peak?
[56:39] Speaker 3: And they were like, nobody knows who you are. I
[56:44] Speaker 3: was like, oh, God. It's over for me now. But
[56:47] Speaker 3: then I guess my point is that when you did
[56:50] Speaker 3: call me, I had been trying so hard.
[56:53] Speaker 5: And every song, I was like, could this be the thing?
[56:56] Speaker 3: Could this be the thing? I hope this is the thing.
[56:59] Speaker 3: But hoping this was the thing was just like, I
[57:02] Speaker 3: hope I made it into the top 10 in Canadian radio.
[57:05] Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right.
[57:05] Speaker 3: The idea of breaking it out into the world was
[57:08] Speaker 3: like this whole other, like, I don't know, like future dream.
[57:13] Speaker 1: Yes.
[57:13] Speaker 3: Not a reality that felt tangible. So the fact that
[57:16] Speaker 3: it exploded and then like brought me into other countries
[57:20] Speaker 3: in such a way and like opened the whole wide
[57:22] Speaker 3: world to me because I had really never even traveled
[57:25] Speaker 3: significantly before this. So all of a sudden, boom. Yeah,
[57:29] Speaker 3: it was boom. It was so, no, to answer your
[57:31] Speaker 3: question in a simpler way, I had no idea that
[57:34] Speaker 3: that's what we were making. And how could you?
[57:36] Speaker 5: It was like being hit by lightning.
[57:38] Speaker 1: Because you talk to some people and they're like, yeah,
[57:40] Speaker 1: when we had this song, we knew it was the single,
[57:43] Speaker 1: it would perform, et cetera. But with Call Me Maybe,
[57:45] Speaker 1: it's such an interesting case because it feels like one
[57:48] Speaker 1: of those songs that everyone heard and they're like, hey, yeah.
[57:50] Speaker 1: And then it was like the second, the third, the
[57:52] Speaker 1: fourth time it was like, oh, it's a monster smash.
[57:55] Speaker 1: It's sneaky.
[57:57] Speaker 3: I love a sneaky song. But I also think it
[57:59] Speaker 3: was a lot of just luck too with the timing
[58:02] Speaker 3: of things. Because I feel like you can have a
[58:03] Speaker 3: song and it doesn't totally happen that way. I feel
[58:07] Speaker 3: like we had so many things in our corner. Justin
[58:10] Speaker 3: Bieber being one of them. And then when Twitter was
[58:11] Speaker 3: just becoming what it was at the time and.
[58:18] Speaker 1: One tweet.
[58:19] Speaker 3: It was just like wildfire happening and I kind of
[58:21] Speaker 3: was like caught up in the theory of it. Yeah,
[58:23] Speaker 3: and it was, it still is like one of those
[58:26] Speaker 3: wild things where you're like, what a rollercoaster.
[58:27] Speaker 2: That was nuts. Well, I just remember, it's one of
[58:31] Speaker 2: those songs where to me, I was like, this is going, well,
[58:35] Speaker 2: I don't know that it's going to be, I have
[58:36] Speaker 2: no foresight until like this is going to be massive,
[58:38] Speaker 2: but I just knew that this is a perfect pop
[58:41] Speaker 2: song before it even hit the chorus. What? In the pre-chorus,
[58:45] Speaker 2: as soon as I heard.
[58:49] Speaker 2: Hot Night, wind was blowing, ripped jeans skin was showing.
[58:51] Speaker 2: As soon as I heard that lyric, I was like,
[58:55] Speaker 2: something is happening.
[58:56] Speaker 1: James Taylor meets Spice Girls.
[58:58] Speaker 2: James Taylor meets Spice Girls.
[59:00] Speaker 1: I really feel this way. When you said that answer,
[59:02] Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's so funny. I love when
[59:04] Speaker 1: people sort of tell on themselves. And it's like the
[59:07] Speaker 1: songwriter impulse and your folk background. with the desire to
[59:14] Speaker 1: go for it and have fun really do meet and
[59:17] Speaker 1: make you who you are.
[59:18] Speaker 3: Okay, but you just touched on a thing that I love,
[59:22] Speaker 3: which I don't ever really talk about, but the act
[59:25] Speaker 3: of being the pursuer, like the person who is the
[59:28] Speaker 3: bold one to actually step out and say that you
[59:32] Speaker 3: like somebody, or that you want somebody, even if they
[59:35] Speaker 3: don't react well, that feeling when you're so emboldened to
[59:39] Speaker 3: step outside of yourself and do something brave, I think
[59:41] Speaker 3: is a really powerful energy.
[59:44] Speaker 2: That runs throughout all your stuff.
[59:45] Speaker 3: Well, have you done that in life? Have you ever
[59:48] Speaker 3: been the person who's like, I'm just doing the, don't
[59:51] Speaker 3: you feel so proud of yourself, even if you bomb?
[59:54] Speaker 2: Get this.
[59:55] Speaker 3: You do, right?
[59:56] Speaker 2: No, truly, truly.
[59:57] Speaker 3: You're never like, I'm an idiot.
[59:58] Speaker 4: You're like, I did that thing.
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: You really, well, here's the thing. It's important you say
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: that because I think we should feel like that more.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: Because I feel like in today's kind of world where everything's,
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: you know, like even podcasts now, we're on camera now.
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: You know, it's like it all feels like it gets
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: a little bit harder when everyone feels so visible.
[1:00:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: We shouldn't lose that impulse to go, to want.
[1:00:21] Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you were so excited your microphone was there.
[1:00:25] Speaker 4: But I agree with you.
[1:00:26] Speaker 3: I really think that there's something exciting about that. It
[1:00:30] Speaker 3: makes you feel very alive. It makes you kind of
[1:00:33] Speaker 3: know your own kind of power. And I don't think
[1:00:35] Speaker 3: that anybody ever sees it other than kind of like, wow.
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: You know, you can't not be complimented even if you're
[1:00:41] Speaker 3: not interested.
[1:00:42] Speaker 4: You're like, well, thank you.
[1:00:43] Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing about shame which is like
[1:00:47] Speaker 2: i think people there's a fear of doing that because
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: there's like an expectation of shame afterwards but like ever
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: since the comeback season three ever since ever since the
[1:00:55] Speaker 2: final scene where she's like oh i don't feel humiliated
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: like you have to you have to agree to be
[1:00:59] Speaker 2: humiliated and i never signed up i love that you
[1:01:02] Speaker 2: just never sign up for it i genuinely like from
[1:01:04] Speaker 2: call me maybe run away with me and like basically
[1:01:07] Speaker 2: i'm just like these are all songs that are like
[1:01:09] Speaker 2: and like that are imploring. It's like, I'm doing something
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: and it's up to you. It's like, call me, maybe.
[1:01:16] Speaker 2: Run away with me. Like, take me to the feeling.
[1:01:22] Speaker 2: I want to cut to the feeling. It's all, it's
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: all proactive and like, affirmative. It is all like, affirmative
[1:01:31] Speaker 2: in the way that it's like, I am doing something
[1:01:33] Speaker 2: to push this along.
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: And I think, I don't know about you, but in
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: my actual personal life, I remember the moments of, with
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: such joy, where I did step outside my comfort level
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: to go and do something wild.
[1:01:46] Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm talking about?
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: Of course I do.
[1:01:49] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: It's because, unfortunately, it feels rare.
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: It's rare.
[1:01:53] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:01:54] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting, too, to think about you as
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: a musical theater writer now because you write so much
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: from I Want. and I'm gonna do, that's like very propulsive.
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: And so that makes it even more exciting to know
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: that's something that you're gonna.
[1:02:08] Speaker 3: That's the thing that's so fun about a musical is
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: you're looking at a story and you're like, when are
[1:02:12] Speaker 3: words not enough? When words aren't enough and it needs
[1:02:16] Speaker 3: to be sung, it's like that's sort of an important
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: time for it to begin. You know, and they're like,
[1:02:21] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[1:02:22] Speaker 1: That's, I can't.
[1:02:23] Speaker 3: You guys have to come.
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: No, of course we are. We are literally already there.
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: Multiple times. Even like Cat Stafford is like not someone
[1:02:30] Speaker 2: who says, I want too much. You know what I mean?
[1:02:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, she talks a little bit more about what she
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: doesn't want for sure. But I think she has some desire.
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: Because underneath, there's so much more.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: There's so much. There's so much.
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: But before we move into I Don't Think It's Funny,
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: I have one last question to ask you, which is,
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: what do you recall about and what was your experience
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: as a Canadian Idol contestant?
[1:02:53] Speaker 3: Oh, great question.
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:02:56] Speaker 3: I remember the night before, you line up in a
[1:02:59] Speaker 3: mall for the beginning, right? You line up in a
[1:03:01] Speaker 3: mall to audition. So it's like a fairly humiliating start,
[1:03:05] Speaker 3: which I think is a good introduction.
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:03:07] Speaker 3: Because it's like, are you ready to sit in this
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: feeling a little bit, but publicly?
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:03:13] Speaker 3: But the truth is, I'm so glad I did it.
[1:03:17] Speaker 3: I don't think anything else would have happened in my
[1:03:18] Speaker 3: life had I not said yes to that. And a
[1:03:21] Speaker 3: little bit of the sign up of some, you know, public,
[1:03:25] Speaker 3: humiliation is, is that you, you kind of are like,
[1:03:29] Speaker 3: do I have the skin for this? Like, can I handle,
[1:03:33] Speaker 3: it's like a kind of a good sort of university
[1:03:35] Speaker 3: round of like, okay, I know how I feel about
[1:03:39] Speaker 3: myself and other people can have, and I had a
[1:03:41] Speaker 3: fairly nice run to be honest.
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: You came in third? Yeah.
[1:03:45] Speaker 3: But I feel like I kind of got the, the
[1:03:47] Speaker 3: cake and eat it too because you get that exposure
[1:03:49] Speaker 3: and then you also don't have the contract and then
[1:03:51] Speaker 3: you can kind of go and do what you want
[1:03:53] Speaker 3: with it afterwards. So it was like very, very perfect
[1:03:57] Speaker 3: for what I needed. But the actual ability to stand
[1:04:01] Speaker 3: on stage and be like, all right, and then be
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: publicly judged, you either are down or you're not. And
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: I think I learned pretty quickly that I like, I
[1:04:10] Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is rough. But I came out
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: of it being like, okay, I know something about myself.
[1:04:18] Speaker 3: Like I can kind of, a.
[1:04:19] Speaker 4: Little bit of both.
[1:04:20] Speaker 3: I can handle it, but I have to like be
[1:04:22] Speaker 3: careful how I move forward. And I think that's also
[1:04:25] Speaker 3: scripted sort of how I move through the music business
[1:04:28] Speaker 3: is like a little less leaning into the celebrity and
[1:04:31] Speaker 3: a little bit more hopefully into the artistry of stuff.
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: Privacy regulation, Scorpio.
[1:04:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, just for my comfort of it because I can't
[1:04:38] Speaker 3: handle too much of it, but I also understand that
[1:04:41] Speaker 3: it goes well. hand in hand with if you want
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: to share the music yeah totally yeah that's why it's
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: nice to do this because this is nice well the.
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: Thing is like we're we're just so happy that you're
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: here because like truly I mean we mentioned at the
[1:04:55] Speaker 1: top of the episode but it's been 10 years of
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: us doing this podcast we're now at 10 and a
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: half years.
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: That is what congratulations thank you and like but you
[1:05:03] Speaker 3: have been such a constant throughout the entire thing like
[1:05:06] Speaker 3: And with so many guests coming in, like, talking about, like, I.
[1:05:09] Speaker 1: Mean, you and, like, how much your music, like, has
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: soundtracked the last decade. And just truly, I mean, it's
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: a real thing to say thank you for everything you've
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: given us.
[1:05:24] Speaker 2: I almost forgot to tell you, and I just have
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: to do it now, and I'm a little nervous.
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: It's fine.
[1:05:28] Speaker 5: I'm kind of excited.
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: It's just my, so when I submitted my tape for SNL.
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: You send in a tape and then you get called
[1:05:37] Speaker 2: in for a showcase round, which is in front of
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: an audience.
[1:05:40] Speaker 4: Crazy.
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: And you, you know, you do all these characters and
[1:05:43] Speaker 2: there's blackouts and there's like music in between each, you know,
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: costume change where you're like switching wigs and stuff. And
[1:05:50] Speaker 2: people had different like, you know, people picked like four
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: tracks where, you know, oh, these are my songs and blah, blah, blah.
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: Every single one of my blackout tracks was blackout. the
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: beginning of Runaway With Me. And by the end, people
[1:06:03] Speaker 2: were just like, ha, ha, ha. Like, oh my God,
[1:06:06] Speaker 2: it's this guy. And that was one of the most
[1:06:09] Speaker 2: thrilling days of my life because I did really well
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: and it advanced me to the next round. And I
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: was like, but I just associate you with that night
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: that was quite pivotal for me. where it was just
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: run away with me, run away with me, run away
[1:06:23] Speaker 2: with me, run away with me. And I was like,
[1:06:24] Speaker 2: oh my God, Carly was in the room. You know
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: what I mean? Just to dovetail on what Matt's saying,
[1:06:31] Speaker 2: it's incredibly meaningful.
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: It's like an important song for you as the performer, too.
[1:06:35] Speaker 1: I was just uplifted. Doing those showcases, all you want
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: to hear in the blackout while you're putting a new
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: wig on or something is a song that you love
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: that's going to push you forward.
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: Uplift you, yeah.
[1:06:43] Speaker 3: I feel like it's a very important... energy right before
[1:06:46] Speaker 3: you go on stage. I used to actually try, it
[1:06:49] Speaker 3: was funny because my band and I would always go
[1:06:52] Speaker 3: on stage and dance before and then we'd go and
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: run and have a little handshake and go. But one
[1:06:57] Speaker 3: time we decided we were going to change up the
[1:06:59] Speaker 3: energy and like, you know.
[1:07:00] Speaker 4: Be calm.
[1:07:01] Speaker 3: We were going to meditate together. We have the sleepiest
[1:07:04] Speaker 3: show of our lives.
[1:07:05] Speaker 4: Sometimes that's dangerous. We cannot do that ever again. We
[1:07:09] Speaker 4: got to dance again. Move meditation to after the show.
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: That's for after. In the cool down. Yeah, exactly.
[1:07:17] Speaker 3: It was like a 10 minute bad idea.
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: Oh my God. I'm sure it was just great. What
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: also is going to be great is I don't think so, honey.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: This is our segment of the show. Where we pop
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: off for 60 seconds about something that deserves it in culture.
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: I have something. I think you might like this. It's
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: about a word.
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: Okay. I love that.
[1:07:36] Speaker 4: Is it vortex?
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: It's not vortex. I enjoy the word vortex as we've seen.
[1:07:41] Speaker 1: But I'm ready to go.
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: Okay. This is I Don't Think So, Honey. And oh, sorry.
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: I don't know why I opened my camera. Okay. Here
[1:07:48] Speaker 2: we go. This is I Don't Think So Honey. This
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. And it's
[1:07:52] Speaker 2: time starts now.
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: I Don't Think So Honey, the word extravaganza.
[1:07:55] Speaker 3: Oh.
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: I have decided it's a bit too much.
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: No.
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: No, it's just the ganza of it all. Like, I
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: don't know where the root of the word extravaganza comes from.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: It probably just comes from... etymology in Drag Race. No,
[1:08:09] Speaker 1: it doesn't come from Drag Race. By the way, I
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: think that that's where it comes from. And I think
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: that RuPaul's Drag Race should continue to use the word extravaganza!
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: And I love it for Ru. But the other day
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: it was described actually to.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: Talk about my Christmas show, which is on sale right
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: now in pre-sale, and it goes on sale September 10th,
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: so please come. But it was described as an extravaganza,
[1:08:29] Speaker 1: and I'm like, can we just call it an event?
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, the word extravaganza. I think
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: it sort of announces a bit too much. And extravaganza,
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: I mean, as I'm doing it right now, I'm like,
[1:08:40] Speaker 1: should it take that much mouth energy to say what
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: it is? Which is just like, fun time. Extravaganza, I
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. It's extra. Vaganza. That's one minute.
[1:08:54] Speaker 4: Very good.
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: Wow. I just like, I saw it in Word and
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know.
[1:08:59] Speaker 3: You convinced me.
[1:09:00] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:09:01] Speaker 3: You convinced me. It's too much.
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: Extravaganza.
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: Or it can only be used when it really is
[1:09:06] Speaker 3: that thing.
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[1:09:07] Speaker 1: Like don't call something extravaganza and then I show up
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: and it's like some streamers and balloons. I was promised
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: an extravaganza. No, no, no. Exactly.
[1:09:14] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[1:09:14] Speaker 3: It can fall flat really fast.
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: It can fall flat really fast.
[1:09:16] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:09:17] Speaker 2: But I just want to clarify. Point of clarification. Yeah.
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: You think extravaganza comes from Drag Race?
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: I was being a little facetious.
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I should have known.
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: I was being a little, you know. I was feeling extra. No,
[1:09:29] Speaker 1: I don't. But I would like to know. Becca, can
[1:09:30] Speaker 1: you look up the etymology of the word extravaganza?
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: Is it Spanish? Italian?
[1:09:35] Speaker 4: It's Italian.
[1:09:37] Speaker 1: Extravaganza. That makes sense. Okay. All right. I'm sorry, Lily.
[1:09:42] Speaker 1: I thought it was a made up word. I thought
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: it was like a made up spectacular. But it's a
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: real word. And I apologize to the nation of Italy.
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: There you go. I think you want to take your
[1:09:52] Speaker 2: beef to the word hullabaloo.
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: You think so?
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: I think that's what you're... I think that's what you
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: take issue with.
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: On the next episode.
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: On the next episode.
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: I actually love hullabaloo.
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: I think you should try to sneak that in as
[1:10:02] Speaker 3: the game for us.
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: Okay, good, good, good. Thank you.
[1:10:05] Speaker 2: Oh, this is actually great. You're starting this new tradition,
[1:10:07] Speaker 2: which is the guest gives us the game for the
[1:10:09] Speaker 2: next episode.
[1:10:10] Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if that's causing some chaos.
[1:10:12] Speaker 2: No, no.
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[1:10:13] Speaker 4: No, you like it?
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: Cause chaos, though.
[1:10:14] Speaker 2: Cause chaos.
[1:10:15] Speaker 4: Oh, I like this. This is the best podcast ever.
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: Print it.
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: Clip it.
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: Clip it.
[1:10:21] Speaker 2: That's on the poster.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: Are you ready to do I Don't Think So Honey,
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: the segment?
[1:10:24] Speaker 2: I'm ready, and people are going to come for my
[1:10:25] Speaker 2: ass for this.
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: Bowen is hot today. Here we go. This is Bowen
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and his time starts now.
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: I Don't Think So Honey suggested donation at a museum
[1:10:38] Speaker 2: that is also hidden from view on the signage at
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: admissions and ticketing. These museums, I'm not talking the small
[1:10:46] Speaker 2: ones where, you know, they don't get super endowed, for
[1:10:51] Speaker 2: lack of a better word. But some of these museums,
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: you got to print the suggested donation word a little
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: bit bigger on the signage for the tickets. Because guess what?
[1:11:00] Speaker 2: You're getting bajillions of dollars from all these old money folks.
[1:11:05] Speaker 2: And I can pay a quarter without being fooled into
[1:11:09] Speaker 2: paying $ 20 to see a painting.
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: Wow.
[1:11:12] Speaker 2: I love museums so much. I think we should really
[1:11:15] Speaker 2: think of them more as libraries.
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: 15 seconds.
[1:11:17] Speaker 2: I think I walked into the New York Public Library
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: at Bryan Park, and I had a lovely time going around,
[1:11:24] Speaker 2: walking through the different rooms, and I went, whoa, I
[1:11:27] Speaker 2: got to come here for free because guess what? A
[1:11:30] Speaker 2: lot of rich people put in a lot of money
[1:11:32] Speaker 2: during gala season, and I think suggested donations... If you
[1:11:37] Speaker 2: really want to hide that concept, it's a little bit tricky.
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: That's one minute.
[1:11:42] Speaker 2: I'm not saying people don't have to pay money. I'm
[1:11:44] Speaker 2: just saying you should print the word suggested donation bigger.
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: That's all.
[1:11:51] Speaker 3: It's a font thing.
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: It's a font thing.
[1:11:53] Speaker 4: It's a font thing.
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: It's often a font thing.
[1:11:56] Speaker 2: It's often a font thing.
[1:11:57] Speaker 3: It is. It is.
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: It is. He's very visual.
[1:11:59] Speaker 3: It's the language.
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:12:00] Speaker 3: They just need to say, it costs a dollar.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:12:03] Speaker 3: There we go.
[1:12:04] Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect. I got a dollar.
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: Here you go. Yeah.
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. So it's not a suggestion. It's
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: actually mandatory. But the donation is the part that is.
[1:12:16] Speaker 3: Throwing you.
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: But then because it's a donation, it's like, well, then
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: I don't have to do that. It's out of the
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: kindness of my heart that I'm giving you a dollar.
[1:12:22] Speaker 2: It's quite manipulative.
[1:12:26] Speaker 3: If they said, this is a $ 1 extravaganza, you would
[1:12:31] Speaker 3: be like, I'm in.
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: I would have a problem then.
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: Let's go.
[1:12:33] Speaker 2: I would have a problem then.
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: I'd be like, can't we just call it a museum?
[1:12:36] Speaker 2: Can't we just call it a museum? With Paula Ballou.
[1:12:40] Speaker 2: Thank you guys for being on that journey with me.
[1:12:41] Speaker 2: I was like, oh, as I was doing it, I
[1:12:42] Speaker 2: was like, this doesn't make any sense.
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: No, we got there.
[1:12:44] Speaker 4: We got there.
[1:12:45] Speaker 2: We got there.
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: It's a safe place. Do you have something to tear
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: up in culture? I'm nervous.
[1:12:51] Speaker 2: Don't be.
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: Because the first thing that comes to mind, it's probably
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: slightly controversial.
[1:12:55] Speaker 1: Don't.
[1:12:55] Speaker 2: I think that's the perfect recipe.
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: Okay, go.
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: Okay. This is Carly Rae Jepsen's I Don't Think So, Honey.
[1:13:00] Speaker 2: Her time starts now.
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: Okay, so... I got kicked out of a book club
[1:13:05] Speaker 3: because I know, I know. And the reason is because
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: I just, I wanted to get it. I didn't get it.
[1:13:12] Speaker 3: I made some insensitive jokes. Okay, you know that the type,
[1:13:17] Speaker 3: do you know the type of book where it's like
[1:13:19] Speaker 3: kind of a romance fantasy, like fairies?
[1:13:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: What is that called?
[1:13:24] Speaker 2: Quarter Torns and Roses. Oh, Romantasy.
[1:13:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, Romantasy. Okay. So it has all the ingredients I
[1:13:30] Speaker 3: should like.
[1:13:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
[1:13:31] Speaker 2: Sure, 30 seconds.
[1:13:32] Speaker 3: But- But somehow, when I'm reading, I like to embody
[1:13:36] Speaker 3: the character.
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: Totally.
[1:13:38] Speaker 2: You know?
[1:13:38] Speaker 3: Pretend I'm her. And I'm with her.
[1:13:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:13:40] Speaker 3: I'm with her for the fighting. I'm with her for
[1:13:43] Speaker 3: the journey and the cold. And then we get to
[1:13:45] Speaker 3: the room and all this anticipation is coming. She's finally
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: going to get with the guy. And then he has wings.
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:13:52] Speaker 3: Not horny? Or like. scales or claws.
[1:13:55] Speaker 4: And I'm, it takes me out.
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: You can't go there.
[1:14:00] Speaker 3: I can't, I lost my, you know?
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: Can't cut to that feeling.
[1:14:03] Speaker 3: And yet, and so my jokes don't land because I
[1:14:06] Speaker 3: don't think everybody else gets taken out. But then I
[1:14:09] Speaker 3: have follow-up questions. Okay.
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: And that's one minute.
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: We have so much to ask you. So first of all,
[1:14:15] Speaker 2: do you feel comfortable sharing one of the jokes and
[1:14:17] Speaker 2: trying them on us?
[1:14:19] Speaker 3: I would have to put, I mean, I really got
[1:14:20] Speaker 3: kicked out.
[1:14:21] Speaker 4: But like, but with love.
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: They were like, you're yucking our yum.
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes.
[1:14:25] Speaker 3: And then I hate to be that person.
[1:14:27] Speaker 2: No.
[1:14:28] Speaker 3: So I'm like, give me a Rex.
[1:14:29] Speaker 4: I'll try again. But I just.
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: But it's done.
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: Then I get another joke and then I can't help myself.
[1:14:36] Speaker 2: So this is, and this is actually another thing I
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: want to really open up here is that book clubs
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: across the world can be one of the most toxic
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: relational spaces ever.
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: There's a lot of hierarchy.
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: Because I was just talking to a friend of ours,
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: and he was saying, and I can't speak for the
[1:14:54] Speaker 2: other person, a gay man who is auditioning to be
[1:14:59] Speaker 2: part of a gay book club.
[1:15:01] Speaker 3: Oh, wow. There's a vetting system.
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: There's a vetting system where all these men are like,
[1:15:05] Speaker 2: we want to see if you're the right fit. It's like,
[1:15:08] Speaker 2: wait a minute.
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: Intellectual hierarchy.
[1:15:12] Speaker 2: It's like, hold on.
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: It's the opposite of what Carly Rae would want. He's
[1:15:17] Speaker 1: disappointed in you.
[1:15:17] Speaker 3: Well, the only thing you don't want to is that
[1:15:19] Speaker 3: person who's like not finished the book.
[1:15:21] Speaker 1: That's fine.
[1:15:22] Speaker 4: And has the most opinions. So I understand.
[1:15:26] Speaker 3: I respect and feel a little relief that I'm no
[1:15:30] Speaker 3: longer in the book club.
[1:15:31] Speaker 4: I was just the jokes girl. You know what, though?
[1:15:35] Speaker 1: You created an abundance. You were putting clay on the mound.
[1:15:37] Speaker 1: You were giving them stuff to talk about if they
[1:15:39] Speaker 1: couldn't handle it.
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: They have since started a podcast, which is fat of
[1:15:44] Speaker 3: their own.
[1:15:45] Speaker 4: It's serious.
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: So they're competition to us now, so we can't support them.
[1:15:48] Speaker 3: Just didn't want to say anything, but yeah, yeah.
[1:15:51] Speaker 2: Well, because you were on that Bustle podcast when I
[1:15:54] Speaker 2: had Stan talking about reading.
[1:15:55] Speaker 3: Oh, it wasn't that one.
[1:15:56] Speaker 5: But yes.
[1:15:57] Speaker 2: No, no, no. I'm not saying that was the podcast.
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: We're not trying to know who it is. She kicked
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: me out.
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: But that was you talking about your reading habits and
[1:16:04] Speaker 2: the fact that like, and I relate to this, like
[1:16:06] Speaker 2: you have seasons of reading where you're like, I love.
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: I'm Belle.
[1:16:08] Speaker 3: I'm a book girl. And then, yeah.
[1:16:10] Speaker 2: And then I'm not.
[1:16:11] Speaker 3: All of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: I'm like that. I've got my spurts.
[1:16:14] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: But anyway. Are you guys in a spurt right now?
[1:16:17] Speaker 2: Are you reading anything right now? I'm in a spurt.
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: I had a great summer of reading. I genuinely did.
[1:16:21] Speaker 3: I still would say probably my main thing is I'm reading, like,
[1:16:26] Speaker 3: baby food for my son. I'm reading, like, you know, information.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: You're reading the labels.
[1:16:32] Speaker 4: Keep the kid alive.
[1:16:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to do that.
[1:16:34] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:16:35] Speaker 3: Important.
[1:16:35] Speaker 2: Important. But, yeah, I mean, they're yumming your yuck. Cause
[1:16:41] Speaker 2: you're like, I'm okay. I'm into it. I'm into it.
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: I'm horny.
[1:16:43] Speaker 4: Is that a thing though?
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: I'm making it a thing.
[1:16:46] Speaker 4: I like it. I like it.
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: They're yumming your yuck. Let's turn the table.
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: Honestly, it's a rule of culture. It's rule of culture
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: number 13. Yuck my yum.
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: You're yumming my yuck.
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: You're yumming my yuck.
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: Oh, I like it very much.
[1:16:57] Speaker 4: It's like wings?
[1:16:58] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:16:59] Speaker 1: Yuck.
[1:17:00] Speaker 2: Like fairy wings? Like that reminds me of bugs. I
[1:17:02] Speaker 2: fucking hate those things.
[1:17:04] Speaker 3: I think I just have to read it differently. I
[1:17:06] Speaker 3: have to read it not as like, I am not
[1:17:08] Speaker 3: one of these characters. This is a fantasy world. We're different.
[1:17:11] Speaker 2: But then you have to be invested because it's fantasy.
[1:17:13] Speaker 3: I know.
[1:17:14] Speaker 2: Because otherwise there's no tethered reality.
[1:17:15] Speaker 1: Have you seen The Shape of Water?
[1:17:17] Speaker 3: No, I have not.
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: It's one of the horniest times a woman has been
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: for a fish. Like, she wants to fuck the fish
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: very badly. And then Octavia Spencer got an Oscar nomination
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: for noticing that.
[1:17:27] Speaker 2: Our friend George Tavares has a joke in his stand-up
[1:17:29] Speaker 2: where he was like, basically Octavia Spencer just goes, do
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: you want to fuck the fish?
[1:17:37] Speaker 1: That's act one.
[1:17:37] Speaker 2: Act two is, you're gonna fuck that fish.
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: That's act two.
[1:17:40] Speaker 2: And act three is, you fucked that fish.
[1:17:45] Speaker 4: I don't know if I do or don't want to
[1:17:47] Speaker 4: see this.
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: And then at the end, she's supportive of it. She's like, girl,
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: you fucked that fish.
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: And there you go.
[1:17:57] Speaker 4: I knew this conversation was going to go to some places,
[1:17:59] Speaker 4: but I did not know this is where we were.
[1:18:02] Speaker 2: Well, it's you.
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Yeah. I opened the door.
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: You did.
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: No. We're so glad you did.
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: And we're so happy you walked in the door and
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: came and sat on the couch and spoke with us.
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: We love you so much, if you can't tell. I
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: love you back. Thank you for everything and for just
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: creating this opus, Day and Night, which is out September 18th.
[1:18:23] Speaker 2: Check it out. And there's a tease for something coming
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: that not even we know about. So stay tuned. Oh, yeah.
[1:18:29] Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
[1:18:30] Speaker 1: Something that may or may not be able to be said.
[1:18:32] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: Any last words for the gay men who are listening
[1:18:37] Speaker 1: to this podcast?
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: Oh, don't come at me for not understanding fantasy.
[1:18:42] Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
[1:18:42] Speaker 3: No.
[1:18:43] Speaker 1: They're with you.
[1:18:47] Speaker 3: I want you guys to come to the musical, but
[1:18:50] Speaker 3: I mostly.
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: Want you to come to party with us next year
[1:18:53] Speaker 5: when we go on tour.
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: I feel like that's, I feel like we need to
[1:18:56] Speaker 3: celebrate together.
[1:18:58] Speaker 4: There's a tour.
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: There's a tour.
[1:19:00] Speaker 2: Is this breaking?
[1:19:01] Speaker 3: No, it's not breaking, but it's coming.
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to tour. I was listening to
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: the album and I was just like, this is going
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: to be so amazing live.
[1:19:07] Speaker 3: I'm not staying home for this album.
[1:19:09] Speaker 1: No way.
[1:19:10] Speaker 2: We're bringing the baby.
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: We're bringing it all. Baby's hitting the road.
[1:19:14] Speaker 3: That'll be exciting and fun.
[1:19:15] Speaker 4: Very exciting.
[1:19:17] Speaker 2: So good. Well, we end every episode with a song.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: I'm not the type of girl for you. I'm not
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: going to pretend. We went to the US Open last night,
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: so our voices are a little scratchy.
[1:19:29] Speaker 4: It's good.
[1:19:30] Speaker 3: You need to have grit.
[1:19:31] Speaker 1: You need to have grit.
[1:19:32] Speaker 2: We'll do the big belt.
[1:19:33] Speaker 1: Ready? I'll make time for you.
[1:19:38] Speaker 2: Bye. And our music is by Henry Komerski.
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: Hey, you guys, so it's seconds into September, so you
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: know what that means. It's Christmas, and I'm going back
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: on the road. It's true. My tour this year is
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: called This Time It's Really Christmas, and it might be
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: on sale now. If it's September 9th, you can do
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: that artist pre-sale, babe, and use the code RUMPUMPUM to
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: get to the tour. And if it's September 10th, then
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: just get on there and buy tickets because it's time,
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: in the words of Mariah Carey, a Christmas icon, if
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: you haven't heard. This is my album. Yes, it's a
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: real thing. Come see what Christmas is all about. At
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: this time, it's really Christmas. Nationwide this December. Go to
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: mattrodgersofficial.com for tickets. And by the way, I'm coming to
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Vancouver, Toronto, Chicago, Boston, D.C.,
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: and New York.
[1:20:49] Speaker 2: And London.
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: That's November 18th. Okay, I think that's everything. God, Christmas
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: is exhausting.

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