# "I Searched For Evidence..." (w/ Matt + Bowen)

An episode of [Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1092361338), 9 Oct 2026, 1 h 09 min.

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The Golden Globe-shortlisted podcast Las Culturistas returns for another Culture Catchup. This week, Bowen hits DC (as Gaga once did) to see Lincoln’s house and clock the vibes, and Matt searches for evidence (as Gaga once did) in order to hold rollercoasters accountable. Also, Resident Evil and video game to film adaptations, Michelle Branch and concert etiquette, Gillian Anderson and theater etiquette, scrolling through for Flo Pugh, and the beginning of a blatant and shameless FYC campaign. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me, Matt, and my tour is on
[0:03] Speaker 1: sale now. This time, it's really Christmas. You can go
[0:05] Speaker 1: to www.mattrogersofficial.com. Podcasts are a visual medium. If you're not
[0:11] Speaker 1: watching me right now, I am holding in my hands
[0:13] Speaker 1: my vinyl. It's called Have You Heard of Christmas? The
[0:16] Speaker 1: answer to that question is coming. At this time, it's
[0:19] Speaker 1: really Christmas. I'm playing all over the country and in
[0:23] Speaker 1: London and in Canada. That makes it a world tour.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Harry Styles, you're on burn notice. I'll see you soon.
[0:32] Speaker 2: I think Brandi Chanel has her best lyric, which can
[0:35] Speaker 2: compete with He Wanna Fucks Later, Richard, We Should Link Later,
[0:38] Speaker 2: which is, he want that head white and blue, if
[0:43] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Totally. Yeah.
[0:45] Speaker 1: He want that head white and blue.
[0:47] Speaker 2: White cum, blue balls, just in case people don't get it.
[0:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, white cum, blue balls. So can I ask a question, though?
[0:52] Speaker 1: It's like when there's white cum, you no longer have
[0:55] Speaker 1: blue balls. Well, I think he's good either way. Am
[0:58] Speaker 1: I right, guys? Look, man. Oh, I see.
[1:02] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:03] Speaker 1: Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes.
[1:06] Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.
[1:10] Speaker 1: Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.
[1:13] Speaker 2: Happy Friday.
[1:14] Speaker 1: Happy Friday.
[1:16] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:16] Speaker 1: I guess that's a kind of thing we can say weekly.
[1:19] Speaker 2: Let's talk about the word Friday. I think a huge
[1:23] Speaker 2: part of the vibe and the sort of aura.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Of Friday is that... Behind the aura of the word
[1:31] Speaker 1: Friday here on Lost College.
[1:32] Speaker 2: I think the fact that it has the word fry
[1:35] Speaker 2: in it is really doing a lot of the work.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and also it speaks to how we feel
[1:40] Speaker 1: at the end of the week, fried.
[1:42] Speaker 2: But, oh, that's interesting because the word fry to me
[1:45] Speaker 2: has like a fun sort of like.
[1:47] Speaker 1: Certainly better than grilled. It's not as healthy for you
[1:50] Speaker 1: as grilled.
[1:50] Speaker 2: Not as healthy, but so tasty. Yeah.
[1:52] Speaker 1: I love fried stuff.
[1:53] Speaker 2: And you know, and in Mandarin, I'll say in Mandarin
[1:55] Speaker 2: at least, the word is 油炸 and 炸 is like
[1:59] Speaker 2: kind of fun too. It's kind of pizzazzy.
[2:01] Speaker 1: Is that the word for fried or is that the
[2:03] Speaker 1: word for Friday?
[2:04] Speaker 2: 油 is, 油 is, no, no, no. Friday is 星期五,
[2:07] Speaker 2: which is day five.
[2:08] Speaker 1: So different.
[2:09] Speaker 2: So that's literal. Let's not talk about that. But just
[2:11] Speaker 2: the word fry in Mandarin is 油炸 or 炸. 油
[2:16] Speaker 2: is oil, but 炸 is like Fry. And I think
[2:19] Speaker 2: just like the word fry to me in English, let's
[2:22] Speaker 2: get back to English. Yeah. Let's go back to Anglo.
[2:25] Speaker 2: Let's go back. We always do on this pod.
[2:26] Speaker 1: Back to the beginning. The beginning, the English, the first language.
[2:30] Speaker 2: The first language. I think fry is a fun word.
[2:35] Speaker 1: Absolutely.
[2:36] Speaker 2: That's all.
[2:36] Speaker 1: We'll use it in a sentence. Tell everybody how you
[2:38] Speaker 1: use it the best, the way you can.
[2:40] Speaker 2: Well, it was gay rights. Fighting for gay rights. People
[2:43] Speaker 2: were killed. They weren't killed. Nobody was killed at Stonewall.
[2:46] Speaker 2: No one was killed? Nobody was killed.
[2:47] Speaker 1: They were fried.
[2:48] Speaker 2: They were fried.
[2:49] Speaker 1: Because they were so high on marijuana.
[2:51] Speaker 2: I guess I wasn't considering fried as a negative connotation,
[2:56] Speaker 2: which yes, it is.
[2:57] Speaker 1: Can I give you a note?
[2:58] Speaker 2: Speaking of marijuana, yeah, go.
[2:59] Speaker 1: Consider more. Just try considering more, for Christ's sake.
[3:03] Speaker 2: I will.
[3:04] Speaker 1: Are you going to say, speaking of, what's my marijuana journey?
[3:07] Speaker 2: Do you want to share? I'll share.
[3:09] Speaker 1: I think this is important. It actually is, and I
[3:11] Speaker 1: should be held accountable.
[3:12] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[3:13] Speaker 1: No, no, but yes, I have, I'm ready to admit,
[3:16] Speaker 1: and I think I have, I'm a full-blown THC addict,
[3:21] Speaker 1: and I've decided I can no longer have it in
[3:23] Speaker 1: my house.
[3:24] Speaker 2: That's huge. Yeah. I think we should have listened to
[3:27] Speaker 2: Lady Gaga circa 2015, 16, right before Joanne. When she
[3:32] Speaker 2: said THC is addictive. because people don't realize that marijuana
[3:37] Speaker 2: can be addictive. She was addicted to weed.
[3:40] Speaker 1: I see her, feel her, and in so many ways,
[3:44] Speaker 1: am her.
[3:47] Speaker 2: We had a Gaga moment this week when I was
[3:48] Speaker 2: in D.C. where you, for some reason, I mean, it
[3:50] Speaker 2: should be top of mind always, but you really tied my,
[3:54] Speaker 2: just the fact that I was in Washington, D.C. with
[3:56] Speaker 2: Gaga saying.
[3:57] Speaker 1: I said, I want to see the Capitol. And I
[4:02] Speaker 1: searched for evidence. Just her in her, was it House
[4:05] Speaker 1: of Gucci press store?
[4:06] Speaker 2: It was House of Gucci press.
[4:07] Speaker 1: It's so, she's so like giving Italian, like Italiana, like
[4:12] Speaker 1: Adriana Sopranos vibes. I said, I want to see the Capitol.
[4:15] Speaker 2: I said, I want to see the Capitol.
[4:16] Speaker 1: Like as if it's something you can go there and
[4:18] Speaker 1: demand to see. But Lady Gaga really said it's the
[4:20] Speaker 1: people's house.
[4:21] Speaker 2: It is the people's house.
[4:22] Speaker 1: Did it feel like that when you were just there?
[4:24] Speaker 2: No, certainly not.
[4:24] Speaker 1: Vibes are off in DC. Vibes are really bad in DC.
[4:27] Speaker 1: But I wonder if the gays and the girlies like
[4:29] Speaker 1: left Well, they were certainly there when I was there
[4:32] Speaker 1: because it was the same weekend Olivia Rodrigo was playing
[4:34] Speaker 1: the Capital One Arena. Totally.
[4:36] Speaker 2: And I walked past there to go to see Resident
[4:39] Speaker 2: Evil at the Regal Gallery Place.
[4:42] Speaker 1: Culture catch-up.
[4:43] Speaker 2: Culture catch-up. Loved it. We'll get to that later. Loved
[4:46] Speaker 2: Zach Kreger. Cast some gay comedians for once.
[4:50] Speaker 1: I would love to do it.
[4:52] Speaker 2: Every straight comedians in his movies.
[4:54] Speaker 1: Every single one. He's got Whitmer Thomas, Zach Cherry, Griffin Newman.
[4:57] Speaker 1: I got lots to say about straight comedians today.
[4:59] Speaker 2: I do love them and we need them. They're an
[5:01] Speaker 2: important part of the ecosystem. Always. I think Zach Kreger can,
[5:04] Speaker 2: you know, have some queer UCB-ers circa 2015.
[5:09] Speaker 1: Do you have any idea how many people would pay
[5:13] Speaker 1: double to see us get killed in one of those movies?
[5:16] Speaker 2: Double.
[5:16] Speaker 1: Double. They'd be like, oh, Matt and Bowen are getting
[5:19] Speaker 1: fried in a real way.
[5:21] Speaker 2: Fried.
[5:23] Speaker 1: I also feel like we're about to be pretty good.
[5:27] Speaker 1: Did I hit it too hard?
[5:29] Speaker 2: No, your tones were off, but that's okay. It's so hard.
[5:31] Speaker 1: Pretty good.
[5:38] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm going to be, I just need to
[5:40] Speaker 2: correct the curtain over here.
[5:43] Speaker 1: Behind the burka. Behind the aura. Behind the camera. Bowen
[5:50] Speaker 1: is fixing.
[5:50] Speaker 2: I guess that's just how it is.
[5:52] Speaker 1: Kind of maybe it's just how it is. I don't
[5:53] Speaker 1: think it's on camera.
[5:54] Speaker 2: It's not on camera, but it's just in my eye line.
[5:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. I'm being very
[5:57] Speaker 1: Faye Dunaway and I'm like, can you leave my eye line?
[6:00] Speaker 1: I have a problem with the fact that there's no
[6:02] Speaker 1: air in here. Open the door now. I'm suffocating. I'm suffocating.
[6:07] Speaker 1: I can't even think to answer a question.
[6:10] Speaker 2: We've referenced that every week.
[6:12] Speaker 1: It's often how I felt in here.
[6:14] Speaker 2: You do feel that way.
[6:15] Speaker 1: Matt is going. They said they were going to try
[6:19] Speaker 1: to make it a little cooler.
[6:19] Speaker 2: This is your perimenopause era. This is your perimenopause era.
[6:24] Speaker 1: I am in my perimenopause. Did I say that right?
[6:27] Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. Yo, it's musical. Yo. Yo. Da.
[6:35] Speaker 1: Da.
[6:36] Speaker 2: Really good. Okay, so, so many things. Madonna. What was
[6:41] Speaker 2: I saying earlier? Faye Dunaway. Oh, you're in my eye line.
[6:45] Speaker 2: It's very distracting. Reminds me of Gillian Anderson telling a
[6:48] Speaker 2: group of women outside of. who's afraid of Virginia Woolf
[6:52] Speaker 2: on the West End, that they cannot sit in the
[6:54] Speaker 2: front row every single show because these women have a
[6:56] Speaker 2: lot of money, it seems.
[6:57] Speaker 1: And they come and they sit in the front row
[6:59] Speaker 1: of Virginia Woolf every week and Gillian Anderson had to
[7:01] Speaker 1: accost them at the West End stage door.
[7:03] Speaker 2: And at stage door, she was like... And I think
[7:05] Speaker 2: in her very boundaried way, I'm on her side where
[7:08] Speaker 2: she was like, you guys can't come 20 times... and
[7:11] Speaker 2: be in the front row every time. It's very distracting.
[7:13] Speaker 1: It's distracting. And also, I think, so you can really
[7:16] Speaker 1: speak to this. Well, when you're on stage, you really
[7:19] Speaker 1: can see the audience.
[7:19] Speaker 2: You can see it. In the words of Nathan Fielder,
[7:22] Speaker 2: you can see everything.
[7:23] Speaker 1: You can see everything. Yes.
[7:25] Speaker 2: And literally, during the Madcap medley at the end last week,
[7:29] Speaker 2: there was an old man... I'm just going to say,
[7:35] Speaker 2: old guy.
[7:36] Speaker 1: Old guy.
[7:36] Speaker 2: Giving max brightness on his phone while I'm singing my
[7:42] Speaker 2: tits off mediocrely.
[7:44] Speaker 1: No. You sound like Celine. You sound like Nicole.
[7:50] Speaker 2: And I was just giving it all to him in
[7:52] Speaker 2: a way that like, I think the audience kind of
[7:54] Speaker 2: was clocking, but I was like, can you get a
[7:57] Speaker 2: load of this guy?
[7:57] Speaker 1: I mean, you already were sensitive to that. I've never
[8:00] Speaker 1: seen like, display of dominance like Titanic in the West
[8:05] Speaker 1: End again they're supposed to be like they're supposed to
[8:08] Speaker 1: have class in the middle of the show she's on
[8:11] Speaker 1: a fucking Google sheet she had two glasses of white
[8:14] Speaker 1: wine in her hands on the Google sheet spilled on
[8:15] Speaker 1: me first that was strike one that wasn't the first
[8:19] Speaker 1: thing with her that wasn't the first thing.
[8:20] Speaker 2: With her in the words of your ex waiter at
[8:22] Speaker 2: Nikki's on the Bay when you were 17 So then
[8:24] Speaker 2: I turned to her when she was in the middle
[8:26] Speaker 2: of the show on her phone looking at a Google sheet.
[8:27] Speaker 2: I turned to her.
[8:28] Speaker 1: I go, you're at a, you're at, you're at, you're
[8:30] Speaker 1: at live theater. You're at live theater. He reached over me.
[8:33] Speaker 1: And then I said, you're at live theater.
[8:34] Speaker 2: And then I did say that to a little girl
[8:35] Speaker 2: and her mother who kept pushing into us because they
[8:37] Speaker 2: were reaching over their phone at the Aris tour.
[8:38] Speaker 1: At the Aris tour.
[8:39] Speaker 2: I go, you're at a concert.
[8:40] Speaker 1: Yeah. And you got to read. I'm going to say
[8:43] Speaker 1: it one more time. The Story of Your Life by
[8:45] Speaker 1: Katherine Desimore. And she talks about this, how, the reason
[8:48] Speaker 1: why we bring in our phones at concerts without nary
[8:53] Speaker 1: an intention to watch those videos back for the rest
[8:56] Speaker 1: of your fucking life is because our emotional responses are
[8:59] Speaker 1: so oriented towards like reaching for our phones when we
[9:02] Speaker 1: have a dysregulated moment. It's like, why are you recording?
[9:05] Speaker 1: So I'm going to hashtag confront myself. It's not, I've
[9:09] Speaker 1: done it. No, we've all done it.
[9:11] Speaker 2: We've all done it.
[9:11] Speaker 1: But you have to have tact when you do it.
[9:13] Speaker 1: And this, so this happened, right?
[9:14] Speaker 2: Last night. So.
[9:15] Speaker 1: No. Well, speaking of, well, you get to last night,
[9:18] Speaker 1: but I want to say, I randomly ended up seeing
[9:20] Speaker 1: three randomly. I'm always at this shit, but I saw
[9:23] Speaker 1: Carly Rae Jepsen. You crushed that because all things go
[9:27] Speaker 1: was canceled, which was heartbreaking for many, but a lot
[9:30] Speaker 1: of the acts ended up like doing pop-up shows and
[9:33] Speaker 1: I got to go to Callie Rae Jepsen at Irving.
[9:36] Speaker 1: So great. Just, I was watching her and I was like,
[9:38] Speaker 1: oh my God, I can't believe she came on our show.
[9:40] Speaker 1: So effervescent and fabulous. And then I ended up, I
[9:44] Speaker 1: had to go to LA for a wedding quickly. Yes.
[9:47] Speaker 1: So I'm in sort of, I did a couple things
[9:49] Speaker 1: by myself, little solo things.
[9:50] Speaker 2: I love this.
[9:51] Speaker 1: And I am ready to report on both. But first
[9:53] Speaker 1: I'll say, I went to Michelle Branch ugh at the
[9:57] Speaker 1: Wiltern and first I'll say it's like her music is
[10:03] Speaker 1: like chicken soup it is so like ugh It's really,
[10:07] Speaker 1: it just feels like it's hugging you from a time
[10:10] Speaker 1: back then. And she sounds great. She sounds the same.
[10:13] Speaker 2: Love that.
[10:14] Speaker 1: Also, the crowd was, you're there partying with everyone. Like,
[10:18] Speaker 1: there's incredibly, like, diverse, all-ages crowd.
[10:21] Speaker 2: Fabulous.
[10:22] Speaker 1: Really just so supportive and loving and really good vibes.
[10:27] Speaker 1: And then Lisa Loeb came out. and they sang Stay Together.
[10:33] Speaker 1: And I was literally emotional, and I was like, wow,
[10:36] Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever see this song live again.
[10:40] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[10:41] Speaker 1: And I was like, that song, they started playing it,
[10:44] Speaker 1: and I realized how important it was to me.
[10:48] Speaker 2: It's a huge song.
[10:48] Speaker 1: It was so huge, and I was so young when
[10:51] Speaker 1: it came out, and I just remember seeing her in
[10:53] Speaker 1: her glasses, plainly addressing, and it's just, her vocal is
[10:57] Speaker 1: so distinct, and just how you know, direct it was.
[11:03] Speaker 1: And like just something about that really affected me and
[11:07] Speaker 1: watching her and Michelle Branch do it. And she too
[11:09] Speaker 1: sounds the same. She was so received by the audience.
[11:12] Speaker 1: I recorded a little bit of it. Which again, you're
[11:15] Speaker 1: allowed to do. Yeah, but here's the thing. I posted
[11:17] Speaker 1: it on Instagram, and everyone was like, why is everyone talking?
[11:22] Speaker 1: And I was like, you are right. It is a
[11:24] Speaker 1: little bit wild when you go to these shows. You
[11:27] Speaker 1: see how many people are just kind of talking through,
[11:29] Speaker 1: especially when they're standing in the back. I think we
[11:32] Speaker 1: need to quiet down a little bit.
[11:34] Speaker 2: Pipe down.
[11:35] Speaker 1: Pipe down. A lot of chatter going on. Because Lisa
[11:37] Speaker 1: Loeb is on stage.
[11:38] Speaker 2: Period.
[11:39] Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
[11:40] Speaker 2: With Michelle Branch, the host. Girl that I fantasized. I
[11:46] Speaker 2: had a fantasy in middle school while the spirit room
[11:49] Speaker 2: was in my disc, man, while I was in bed
[11:52] Speaker 2: listening to the spirit room, to Sweet Misery, to You
[11:57] Speaker 2: Get Me, to say nothing of all you wanted. Say
[12:01] Speaker 2: nothing of the hits.
[12:02] Speaker 1: Of the hits.
[12:03] Speaker 2: I'm saying, but the deep cuts I know, like the
[12:04] Speaker 2: back of my hand. Goodbye to, I mean, come on.
[12:06] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[12:07] Speaker 2: I had fantasies in middle school of... One day Michelle
[12:11] Speaker 2: Branch is going to show up to Laredo Middle School
[12:13] Speaker 2: in suburban Colorado. And she's going to do a concert
[12:16] Speaker 2: in the gym. And she's going to bring me on
[12:18] Speaker 2: stage and we're going to sing Sweet Misery together. Or
[12:22] Speaker 2: we're going to sing Everywhere together.
[12:23] Speaker 1: Now that you've put that out there, it's going to happen.
[12:26] Speaker 2: Michelle.
[12:27] Speaker 1: Come to O'Mary, Michelle.
[12:29] Speaker 2: No, come to Laredo.
[12:30] Speaker 1: I'm inviting you.
[12:30] Speaker 2: If you want to go to Laredo Middle School at
[12:32] Speaker 2: any point. I know you officially know a guy. You,
[12:36] Speaker 2: I will meet you there. We will perform in the gymnasium. Yeah.
[12:41] Speaker 2: For 12 year olds. Yeah. Yeah. But that was my,
[12:45] Speaker 2: they'll be like fantasy.
[12:47] Speaker 1: Who are these people?
[12:48] Speaker 2: Oh my God. Who the fuck are these people?
[12:51] Speaker 1: Who are these?
[12:52] Speaker 2: Get me Mr. Where, where are my feastables?
[12:54] Speaker 1: Honey, I'm here. I'm here for one thing. My feastables.
[12:57] Speaker 2: My feastables.
[12:59] Speaker 1: That's what, that's rule of culture. Honey, I'm here for
[13:04] Speaker 1: one thing. My feastables. I say that everywhere I go.
[13:10] Speaker 1: I certainly was saying it last night at the Slater concert.
[13:12] Speaker 2: You wanted your feastables.
[13:14] Speaker 1: I feel like she is one big feastable.
[13:17] Speaker 2: Slater can do what Mr.
[13:18] Speaker 1: Beast does.
[13:19] Speaker 2: Mr. Beast can never do what Slater does, and that's
[13:22] Speaker 2: a rule of culture. Number three.
[13:24] Speaker 1: Five. Slater can do what Mr.
[13:26] Speaker 2: Beast does. Mr.
[13:27] Speaker 1: Beast can never do what Slater does. Which includes performing
[13:31] Speaker 1: like a rock star. It was a small space. It
[13:35] Speaker 1: was a Spotify event because she had announced Worst Man
[13:38] Speaker 1: in America.
[13:38] Speaker 2: That day.
[13:39] Speaker 1: That day, out December 4th, I believe. And so I
[13:43] Speaker 1: believe what we're having here is a good old-fashioned Grammy campaign.
[13:48] Speaker 1: And I think that Slater... is, for me, slam dunk
[13:53] Speaker 1: for that best new artist nom.
[13:55] Speaker 2: Absolutely.
[13:55] Speaker 1: Like, at least that. Because what she's doing is at
[13:59] Speaker 1: such a crazy energetic level. And she's in good vocal health.
[14:04] Speaker 2: Always. After playing Terminal 5 and Brooklyn Paramount this weekend,
[14:08] Speaker 2: selling those venues out, then going on Seth, then showing
[14:11] Speaker 2: up to Deep Bushwick, or just Broadway Myrtle, let's say. Yeah.
[14:15] Speaker 2: And screaming... Through electro punk music. Like, rock shit.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[14:23] Speaker 2: Previewed some new songs for us.
[14:25] Speaker 1: They were great.
[14:25] Speaker 2: One called I Think He's Got a Girl, which we
[14:27] Speaker 2: really loved.
[14:27] Speaker 1: Oh, that's really good. And then there's one called Hey Boy,
[14:30] Speaker 1: which she played, like, she just played the record as
[14:33] Speaker 1: she was leaving at the end, and that was really good.
[14:35] Speaker 1: I Think He's Got a Girl is really good.
[14:37] Speaker 2: Really great.
[14:38] Speaker 1: It's more poppy than I think.
[14:39] Speaker 2: More poppy than... And then she had another song called Necromantic,
[14:41] Speaker 2: which felt like a cousin to Cannibalism.
[14:43] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[14:44] Speaker 2: Like, very, like, sort of surf rock, like, could be in, like,
[14:47] Speaker 2: you know, a John Waters movie.
[14:48] Speaker 1: And she did.
[14:50] Speaker 1: She didn't do crank it, which we were, we were sad,
[14:53] Speaker 1: but we, she did dance. She did brand new Chanel
[14:56] Speaker 1: and beat up Chanel. And I think that we have
[14:58] Speaker 1: a point counterpoint here. You are a fan of brand
[15:00] Speaker 1: new Chanel. I'm a fan of beat up Chanel.
[15:04] Speaker 2: I think brand new Chanel has her best lyric, which
[15:07] Speaker 2: can compete with, he won a Fox later, Richard, we
[15:09] Speaker 2: should link later, which is he want that head white
[15:14] Speaker 2: and blue. If you know what I mean, totally genius.
[15:17] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[15:18] Speaker 2: White cum, blue balls, just in case people don't get it.
[15:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, white cum, blue balls. So can I ask a question, though?
[15:25] Speaker 1: It's like when there's white cum, you no longer have
[15:27] Speaker 1: blue balls. Well, I think he's good either way. Am
[15:30] Speaker 1: I right, guys? He's good either way. I think you
[15:34] Speaker 1: have blue balls and then you have white cum. Work.
[15:38] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[15:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, I do know what you mean.
[15:42] Speaker 2: I've never gotten blue balls.
[15:44] Speaker 1: Honey, I always take care of myself. Just kidding. I
[15:48] Speaker 1: don't know what that was.
[15:49] Speaker 2: Okay.
[15:49] Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. I do want to say, so I
[15:51] Speaker 1: just want to say you, you think I love Britney Chanel. Okay.
[15:54] Speaker 1: I'm a beat up Chanel girly. I don't think, and
[15:57] Speaker 1: I think Slater agrees with me that it's her best
[15:59] Speaker 1: song ever.
[15:59] Speaker 2: It's she, she will agree that it started off this
[16:02] Speaker 2: whole worst girl in America. Worst man in America.
[16:04] Speaker 1: That chorus is so, and this is the power of
[16:07] Speaker 1: that chorus. She goes, I need a cigarette. Who's smoking
[16:12] Speaker 1: a cigarette right after.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Me.
[16:14] Speaker 1: My ass. I don't do that. Joe Camel could never.
[16:17] Speaker 1: And you want to know who I go to for
[16:19] Speaker 1: cigarettes every time? Mr. Bowen Yang himself. Always packing.
[16:23] Speaker 2: I treated myself to one.
[16:25] Speaker 1: I've been off of cigarettes for like a couple months now. Accountability.
[16:31] Speaker 1: Get tactile with me. You want to know my rule?
[16:35] Speaker 1: I can smoke weed. I just can't have it in
[16:36] Speaker 1: the house. If it's around, say like a doobie being
[16:40] Speaker 1: passed around at the cool party. You know what I'm saying?
[16:43] Speaker 1: Y'all been at the cool party and there's a doobie
[16:45] Speaker 1: being passed around and you can't resist yourself.
[16:48] Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
[16:50] Speaker 1: So, so, okay.
[16:51] Speaker 2: But so I had one as a tree because I
[16:52] Speaker 2: was like, I'm wearing a truck. I'm wearing like my
[16:54] Speaker 2: white trash, like drag. I'm buying a pack of cigarettes
[16:59] Speaker 2: on the way to the Slater concert.
[17:00] Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah. Good for you. I'm happy that you
[17:03] Speaker 1: indulge in it because that was, that's creating an immersive world.
[17:06] Speaker 1: We spoke with Zara about this.
[17:08] Speaker 2: Yes.
[17:08] Speaker 1: And you laughed. Someone laughed. Becca laughed. But the thing,
[17:12] Speaker 1: and she can laugh.
[17:13] Speaker 2: Do you think Slater can open a Margaritaville equivalent?
[17:16] Speaker 1: 100%. I think that there is so much world in
[17:18] Speaker 1: what she's doing. I actually was appreciating the visuals even more.
[17:22] Speaker 1: Because when we walked into the space, there was this
[17:24] Speaker 1: area where you could sit and get a photo taken
[17:26] Speaker 1: as if you were Slater under her insignia. And I
[17:29] Speaker 1: was like, yeah, there's a lot of real visual iconography here.
[17:32] Speaker 1: And the world, like the sort of trailer park, but like,
[17:36] Speaker 1: like glam world of it. Like it is, she's a filmmaker.
[17:40] Speaker 1: I need to see the hollow Halloween horror nights, Slater
[17:43] Speaker 1: haunted house.
[17:44] Speaker 2: What do they do? Do you know what the, the, their,
[17:46] Speaker 2: their theming this year?
[17:47] Speaker 1: I don't know much of the theming, but I will
[17:49] Speaker 1: say we have to go next year. This transitions into
[17:52] Speaker 1: actually one of the things I wanted to talk about.
[17:57] Speaker 1: So I went, so I go back to LA for
[18:01] Speaker 1: this wedding, right? And the day before, I'm kind of like,
[18:04] Speaker 1: I kind of don't have much to do. I had
[18:06] Speaker 1: gotten done the things I wanted to do, and I realized, oh,
[18:08] Speaker 1: my God. The Fast and the Furious Hollywood Drift roller
[18:12] Speaker 1: coaster is open at the theme park that I literally
[18:15] Speaker 1: in L.A. am next to. And I go, I think
[18:19] Speaker 1: I'm going in there by myself.
[18:20] Speaker 2: You can't fast pass it. You're like, I'm going in.
[18:22] Speaker 2: You were raw dogging Universal.
[18:23] Speaker 1: I raw dogged it. I went in. I walk in.
[18:26] Speaker 1: I'm by myself. It's 100 degrees in L.A. It's been
[18:28] Speaker 1: 100 degrees in L.A. I said, it's not gonna stop me.
[18:34] Speaker 1: I want a cigarette! Very that. So I go in,
[18:38] Speaker 1: I get on the line, it's posted at an 80
[18:41] Speaker 1: minute wait time. That's not terrible. Especially because they lie.
[18:46] Speaker 2: They lie.
[18:47] Speaker 1: Honestly, if you go to a theme park, this is
[18:49] Speaker 1: literally true, anytime you see the posted wait time, it's
[18:52] Speaker 1: at least three quarters of that. Sometimes even half of
[18:56] Speaker 1: that is how long I will be. They try to
[18:57] Speaker 1: scare people away from the rides.
[18:59] Speaker 2: Yes.
[18:59] Speaker 1: That are gonna get popular so that they can, people
[19:02] Speaker 1: can circulate. This is just kind of like theme park know-how.
[19:05] Speaker 1: It's never as scary as you think it's gonna be.
[19:08] Speaker 1: So I get on, because I didn't want to do
[19:09] Speaker 1: the single riders line because oftentimes single riders lines, they're
[19:13] Speaker 1: like in ugly areas. Like it was like up against
[19:16] Speaker 1: a brick wall.
[19:17] Speaker 2: You wanted the full queue.
[19:18] Speaker 1: I wanted to walk through the queue. I wanted to
[19:19] Speaker 1: see the little props and stuff. I wanted to see
[19:21] Speaker 1: the roller coaster twirl. You know, I wanted to do
[19:22] Speaker 1: my thing. Also, I have my phone. So it's like,
[19:25] Speaker 1: you know, are you really waiting? You're sad. I'm sad.
[19:29] Speaker 1: So there's been, before I say how this was, there's
[19:31] Speaker 1: been a lot of controversy.
[19:32] Speaker 2: Because neighbors, including people in your neighborhood.
[19:36] Speaker 1: Well, not my neighborhood, but apparently it's like, it's people
[19:39] Speaker 1: in Toluca Lake. There was even a town hall about
[19:42] Speaker 1: this because it's such a problem. Apparently, there's a certain
[19:46] Speaker 1: like residential area in that community that every 30 seconds
[19:52] Speaker 1: hears the screams of from the roller coaster because it's
[19:56] Speaker 1: that intense and apparently a lot of these people you
[19:58] Speaker 1: know they work from home there's one person who apparently
[20:01] Speaker 1: does surgery in this area there's another person who claims
[20:06] Speaker 1: they can't record their music anymore because that's tough and
[20:09] Speaker 1: it is hard And by the way, my plan was
[20:12] Speaker 1: to do like sort of like on the ground work
[20:14] Speaker 1: and I was going to go do the roller coaster
[20:15] Speaker 1: and then I was going to go drive into the
[20:17] Speaker 1: community and see if I could hear it.
[20:18] Speaker 2: And look for evidence.
[20:19] Speaker 1: And search for evidence. So I said, I want to
[20:21] Speaker 1: hear the screams.
[20:21] Speaker 2: I want to hear the screams.
[20:23] Speaker 1: And I searched for evidence.
[20:26] Speaker 2: And you were going to like do it like an
[20:27] Speaker 2: Aaron Brockovich.
[20:28] Speaker 1: I was. I was going to be Aaron Brockovich about this.
[20:30] Speaker 2: This is like your data center PG & E.
[20:32] Speaker 1: But then I realized like, what am I going to do?
[20:34] Speaker 1: Like if I go in there and I don't hear it,
[20:37] Speaker 1: I'm going to come on this podcast and be like,
[20:38] Speaker 1: they're lying. It's actually not that bad. Like, no. So,
[20:43] Speaker 1: and also I think it would have been a little
[20:45] Speaker 1: weird for me to just drive into this area. I
[20:46] Speaker 1: think it might be a gated community.
[20:49] Speaker 2: Wow.
[20:49] Speaker 1: If that makes people feel less bad.
[20:50] Speaker 2: We have a cap on sympathy then. No, I'm kidding.
[20:54] Speaker 1: So anyway, um, the roller coaster has been controversial.
[20:57] Speaker 2: Yes.
[20:58] Speaker 1: For these reasons. And they had to put up a
[21:00] Speaker 1: lot of sound barriers, like to like stop, block the screams,
[21:04] Speaker 1: I guess. They've tried. It is nuts. Yes. It reminded
[21:10] Speaker 1: me of when we were in Japan and did that
[21:11] Speaker 1: flying dinosaur in Jurassic Park. Yeah.
[21:14] Speaker 2: The pterodactyl ride? Yes. That one's insane.
[21:17] Speaker 1: It reminded me of that because there's... What it does
[21:20] Speaker 1: is the cars themselves drift along the turns. And when
[21:26] Speaker 1: it goes upside down, it drifts. So you're literally twisting
[21:30] Speaker 1: as you invert.
[21:31] Speaker 2: I don't like that.
[21:32] Speaker 1: I've never seen or experienced any sensation like this on
[21:35] Speaker 1: a roller coaster. It was... Amazing.
[21:38] Speaker 2: Okay.
[21:38] Speaker 1: I was bothering the people in Toluca Lake screaming. So
[21:43] Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Toluca.
[21:44] Speaker 2: That poor musician. I know.
[21:47] Speaker 1: I feel bad.
[21:48] Speaker 2: That poor surgeon.
[21:49] Speaker 1: Featuring all the screams. Yeah. All their tracks they make.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Featuring the screams of guests.
[21:54] Speaker 2: Featuring the screams of guests.
[21:55] Speaker 1: But it was an amazing roller coaster.
[21:57] Speaker 2: So did you pop in just to do Hollywood Drift
[21:59] Speaker 2: and then pop out?
[21:59] Speaker 1: Just to do that.
[22:00] Speaker 2: That's so fun.
[22:01] Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just going because... Again, I'm the
[22:04] Speaker 1: kind of person that literally monitors the construction. I'm this
[22:07] Speaker 1: kind of person.
[22:08] Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person.
[22:09] Speaker 1: I'm the kind of person who tells you what kind
[22:11] Speaker 1: of person I am.
[22:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[22:13] Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it was really good.
[22:14] Speaker 2: I love that. I can't wait. Well, I don't know
[22:16] Speaker 2: about the drifting down the helix or whatever you're describing.
[22:20] Speaker 1: And it's four cars that actually are modeled like cars
[22:23] Speaker 1: from the Fast and the Furious movies, and they all
[22:25] Speaker 1: move differently.
[22:26] Speaker 2: I'm just going to need... I don't know. Okay, that
[22:28] Speaker 2: sounds great. I will do it. I can't wait.
[22:30] Speaker 1: You're going to do it.
[22:30] Speaker 2: I just... I'm just going to need.
[22:33] Speaker 1: I'll take you in January when we're allegedly both there.
[22:36] Speaker 2: Sure. I just need every ride to be Cosmic Rewind.
[22:40] Speaker 1: That's what I've realized. You know, it's not dissimilar to
[22:43] Speaker 1: Cosmic Rewind in that it's... Oh, it turns. Because those
[22:46] Speaker 1: cars also drift and twist. That's fun.
[22:48] Speaker 2: Okay, great.
[22:49] Speaker 1: So I guess it's as if.
[22:50] Speaker 2: So then I'll like it.
[22:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to love it.
[22:51] Speaker 2: But the essential part of Cosmic Rewind is I've just
[22:54] Speaker 2: never felt happier than when September and everybody was.
[22:57] Speaker 1: Do you remember?
[22:59] Speaker 2: By the way, did we talk about the Earth, Wind,
[23:00] Speaker 2: and Fire doc on this?
[23:01] Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen that.
[23:02] Speaker 2: It's fabulous.
[23:03] Speaker 1: Do you want to speak on Resident Evil?
[23:05] Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.
[23:06] Speaker 1: So then, before I do that, do you know the
[23:08] Speaker 1: themes of the haunted houses for Horror Nights this year?
[23:10] Speaker 1: I don't know them, but I think that they... They
[23:11] Speaker 1: did weapons last year, right? Yes, I don't think there's
[23:14] Speaker 1: another weapons one. I don't want to make shit up,
[23:17] Speaker 1: but I do think they are yet again sort of
[23:18] Speaker 1: leaning into IP. I think it's all that.
[23:22] Speaker 2: Sure.
[23:23] Speaker 1: Classic stuff.
[23:24] Speaker 2: Classic stuff. Resident Evil, I think this is the path
[23:28] Speaker 2: forward for video game adaptations. Mm-hmm. Because it's an original
[23:32] Speaker 2: main character. You don't have to go in with any
[23:35] Speaker 2: knowledge of the video games. And the video games themselves
[23:39] Speaker 2: are about improvising through situations, like MacGyvering things into weapons,
[23:49] Speaker 2: pulling a shotgun off the wall. That's iconic. But you
[23:51] Speaker 2: don't have to know that. But it just simulates the
[23:55] Speaker 2: emotional experience of the video game, which is what these
[23:57] Speaker 2: movies never do, which is what video game movies never do. Like,
[24:03] Speaker 2: I think in the past they've done, I never saw
[24:05] Speaker 2: the old Resident Evil movies with Miss Thing. What was
[24:08] Speaker 2: her name?
[24:09] Speaker 1: Mila Jovovich. Mila. Yeah.
[24:10] Speaker 2: I never saw those. And I'm like a person.
[24:13] Speaker 1: Answer that like a Jeopardy question. Who is Mila Jovovich?
[24:17] Speaker 2: That's correct. I, Matt, you have the board. I just
[24:22] Speaker 2: loved that it was about like, because like a video
[24:26] Speaker 2: game like that, a survival horror video game like that
[24:28] Speaker 2: is about just like gaining competence, gaining knowledge of the situation,
[24:33] Speaker 2: which is exactly what the character arc is. And it
[24:36] Speaker 2: just ends in the craziest way.
[24:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it's really sad.
[24:39] Speaker 2: It's, yeah.
[24:40] Speaker 1: I mean, but in like a fun... Jared left the
[24:42] Speaker 1: movie like depressed. Well, I mean, it's ridiculous.
[24:45] Speaker 2: It's campy. It's like, that's fucking crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[24:48] Speaker 2: And like the last shot is like, wow, okay. They like,
[24:51] Speaker 2: he like went for it.
[24:52] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[24:53] Speaker 2: But.
[24:54] Speaker 1: That's nuts.
[24:55] Speaker 2: It was fun. And I was like, like halfway through
[24:58] Speaker 2: the movie, I was like, I think Matt would like this.
[25:00] Speaker 2: You know what?
[25:01] Speaker 1: I appreciate... And then.
[25:02] Speaker 2: It takes a turn and you're like, man, I would
[25:03] Speaker 2: hate this.
[25:03] Speaker 1: Okay, so this actually reminds me of something I attempted
[25:06] Speaker 1: to watch, which was East of Eden. Okay. So I'm
[25:08] Speaker 1: just gonna.
[25:10] Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say this. I am
[25:12] Speaker 1: a Zoe Kazan. I love Zoe Kazan. I am a
[25:15] Speaker 1: Zoe Kazan. Like, I've always, like, loved this diva's work.
[25:19] Speaker 1: I seriously... I'm into her. But John Steinbeck is not, like,
[25:25] Speaker 1: my favorite thing. And these types of movies aren't my favorite.
[25:28] Speaker 1: Or series, as it were. It's a Netflix series. So
[25:32] Speaker 1: what I ended up doing was I did sort of
[25:34] Speaker 1: scroll through and whenever I saw Florence Pugh, I would
[25:37] Speaker 1: watch the Pugh. And Mike Feist.
[25:41] Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
[25:42] Speaker 1: Like, not to say anything about Christopher Abbott. It just,
[25:44] Speaker 1: this really wasn't really for me, but I was like,
[25:46] Speaker 1: I wanted to see Flo Pugh.
[25:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[25:48] Speaker 1: My God, she was good in the parts I watched.
[25:50] Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the most evil characters ever.
[25:53] Speaker 1: I was sensing that from her. I was like, oh,
[25:55] Speaker 1: this bitch is evil.
[25:57] Speaker 2: She set her house on fire as a child.
[25:59] Speaker 1: Much more than that. I mean, she's killing everyone.
[26:02] Speaker 2: She was born. Yeah. Kathy with a C.
[26:05] Speaker 1: Kathy with a C.
[26:06] Speaker 2: And so, I mean, if you've read East of Eden,
[26:08] Speaker 2: it's like the people with the C names are evil.
[26:10] Speaker 2: The people with the A names are good.
[26:11] Speaker 1: Is that true? Cain and Abel.
[26:13] Speaker 2: It's that. But Kathy is demon spawn.
[26:18] Speaker 1: Well, is there anything to the fact that her last
[26:21] Speaker 1: name is Ames?
[26:22] Speaker 2: Oh, well, that's what she married into that name, I believe.
[26:26] Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
[26:26] Speaker 2: I haven't read East of Eden since. High school.
[26:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even read it in high school.
[26:31] Speaker 2: No problem.
[26:31] Speaker 1: With the Steinbeck that we did was of Mice and Men.
[26:34] Speaker 2: Don't care for that one. Don't know it. You don't
[26:36] Speaker 2: care for that one? I liked Grapes of Wrath just fine.
[26:40] Speaker 2: Cannery Row, what a gag. Yeah. But East of Eden is...
[26:45] Speaker 2: She's tough. I have no real desire to watch it
[26:48] Speaker 2: as a TV show either.
[26:49] Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is I was like, I was like,
[26:51] Speaker 1: I want to know like what's going on here. So
[26:53] Speaker 1: I actually watched quite a bit of it. Like... Is
[26:58] Speaker 1: painted black from East of Eden or was that just
[27:00] Speaker 1: like a line they put in the, is, is, is
[27:03] Speaker 1: there's a, there's a, it's like a point where like,
[27:05] Speaker 1: you know, Kathy gets control of the, I guess, I
[27:08] Speaker 1: don't know, the, whatever they, wherever they are, like this
[27:12] Speaker 1: barn that they work on. And she looks at it
[27:15] Speaker 1: and she goes, painted black.
[27:17] Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting.
[27:17] Speaker 1: And then painted black plays. And I'm like, is that
[27:19] Speaker 1: a line from the novel?
[27:20] Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't remember that. Or is that
[27:23] Speaker 2: a fun Zoe Kazan thing? Kind of fun Zoe Kazan.
[27:26] Speaker 1: As a Kazan, I should know better. I want to
[27:30] Speaker 1: live in that country.
[27:32] Speaker 2: Zoe Kazan.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Zoe Kazan.
[27:35] Speaker 2: I think it makes sense that it's successful and it's,
[27:39] Speaker 2: it has like the prestige aesthetic of like a Taylor
[27:43] Speaker 2: Sheridan thing.
[27:45] Speaker 1: Yeah. I think people love it. I mean, Jared goes,
[27:48] Speaker 1: I'm surprised to see it's not doing better with critics.
[27:50] Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't 86% on Rotten Tomatoes. And
[27:54] Speaker 1: he was like, well, you know, that's, I was like,
[27:56] Speaker 1: is it supposed to have like a hundred? Interesting.
[27:59] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[27:59] Speaker 1: But I will say that Florence is pretty fucking amazing
[28:03] Speaker 1: in it. And also Mike is so hot.
[28:06] Speaker 2: Love that.
[28:07] Speaker 1: He is crazy hot.
[28:08] Speaker 2: He's coming for my job.
[28:10] Speaker 1: He is? Oh yeah, he wants to be O'Mary.
[28:12] Speaker 2: He wants to be O'Mary.
[28:13] Speaker 1: He wants to be Mary Todd. Mary Todd Lincoln.
[28:16] Speaker 2: I went to Ford's Theater. And that's as much research
[28:20] Speaker 2: as I did.
[28:21] Speaker 1: What did you think? How did you feel when you
[28:23] Speaker 1: stood there and you knew?
[28:24] Speaker 2: I imagined her running to the theater to, spoiler alert,
[28:31] Speaker 2: audition for something.
[28:34] Speaker 1: Do you think that? Oh, Mary is still something we
[28:38] Speaker 1: have to say spoiler alert about.
[28:39] Speaker 2: I think so, yes. I personally have to.
[28:43] Speaker 1: I think I sometimes forget that I've seen it 15
[28:46] Speaker 1: times or something.
[28:47] Speaker 2: I am always gagged every show when people in the
[28:50] Speaker 2: audience gasp at the parts. You know what I mean?
[28:52] Speaker 2: I'm like, that's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But people
[28:56] Speaker 2: do agree. It speaks to the community sort of like,
[28:59] Speaker 2: you know, everybody protects it. Because Cole writes in the
[29:03] Speaker 2: sort of the preface to the show, if you want
[29:05] Speaker 2: to call it that, they say, The three things are
[29:09] Speaker 2: everyone means what they say, protect the surprises from the show,
[29:13] Speaker 2: and the stakes are incredibly high for everybody. But like
[29:16] Speaker 2: protect the surprises is like the huge pillar of that.
[29:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is interesting to go, when you
[29:23] Speaker 1: know to watch it a second time, in particular one character,
[29:28] Speaker 1: there's moments in it. Yes, yes, yes. That are a little... Deviant.
[29:33] Speaker 2: Easter eggs.
[29:35] Speaker 1: Well.
[29:35] Speaker 2: um oh and quickly i want to say about resident
[29:37] Speaker 2: evil the movie is that um and i believe zach
[29:41] Speaker 2: cracker did not play a single resident evil game like
[29:43] Speaker 2: had no familiarity with really and i think like he
[29:46] Speaker 2: like pitched through that point of view like this is
[29:48] Speaker 2: this is why i'm actually good for this.
[29:51] Speaker 1: Yeah filmically i will yes.
[29:53] Speaker 2: And like It is because there aren't really that many
[29:55] Speaker 2: Easter eggs. There's no references to the games beyond the
[29:58] Speaker 2: big plot points of Recon City and whatever. Umbrella Corporation,
[30:04] Speaker 2: Umbrella Company, whatever. But anyway, I just found it funny
[30:08] Speaker 2: that I went to Ford's Theater and I walked around D.C.
[30:11] Speaker 2: and walked past the Lincoln Memorial and I was like,
[30:13] Speaker 2: I'm only thinking of one of the, the greatest president
[30:17] Speaker 2: in history in terms of his wife because of this
[30:20] Speaker 2: play that I love.
[30:21] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so funny. I don't think of him, I
[30:23] Speaker 1: think of Mary. Also like there was a, spoiler alert. Actually, no,
[30:28] Speaker 1: just cut this part out. It was like, I almost
[30:30] Speaker 1: was like, how does it, no, I'm not going to
[30:32] Speaker 1: say this, whatever. Go say oh Mary.
[30:34] Speaker 2: Go see it. Go see it. Go see it.
[30:36] Speaker 1: Speaking of oh, insert a woman's name here.
[30:40] Speaker 2: Housewives.
[30:44] Speaker 1: Housewives. We have not really spoken on Salt Lake City
[30:48] Speaker 1: and New York. And I just wanted to say, I'm
[30:52] Speaker 1: having fun during Salt Lake.
[30:54] Speaker 2: I'm having a great time. Why is all my algorithm
[30:58] Speaker 2: on like TikTok and threads, oh, perish the thought, about like...
[31:03] Speaker 2: how awful this season is. I'm like, I'm having a blast.
[31:06] Speaker 1: I think that we are at a point where everything
[31:09] Speaker 1: is bad online.
[31:10] Speaker 2: Yeah. No one's happy.
[31:12] Speaker 1: I think approximately 19 people got canceled last week.
[31:16] Speaker 2: Sure.
[31:16] Speaker 1: I was saying to Melissa on the train up here,
[31:18] Speaker 1: I'm like, we were like, I think it's at the
[31:19] Speaker 1: point where no one is canceled because everyone is canceled.
[31:22] Speaker 2: Which I think the evil people wanted.
[31:26] Speaker 1: Well, then Trump is like, they should bomb the fuck
[31:29] Speaker 1: out of Los Angeles. And it's like, maybe we redirect
[31:32] Speaker 1: our energy.
[31:33] Speaker 2: Damn.
[31:34] Speaker 1: But anyway, to speak on Salt Lake, I think I
[31:40] Speaker 1: am understanding Lisa Barlow a lot more. Yes. That scene
[31:46] Speaker 1: in the first episode with her and John. Oh. When, like,
[31:51] Speaker 1: I feel like, you know what? It's funny because I
[31:54] Speaker 1: realized I don't think we see, in the many years
[31:57] Speaker 1: she's been on this show- I don't think we started
[32:00] Speaker 1: seeing like really honest moments of her personal life until recently.
[32:06] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, or at least that's
[32:09] Speaker 1: like the perception I have.
[32:10] Speaker 2: Sure. Well, I think she keeps it very close to
[32:12] Speaker 2: the vest. There's a reason why she references her lawyers
[32:18] Speaker 2: all the time.
[32:20] Speaker 1: That's interesting.
[32:20] Speaker 2: I think she's very protective.
[32:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:23] Speaker 2: Of her being herself, her moves.
[32:26] Speaker 1: She'll never be seen without makeup.
[32:28] Speaker 2: She'll never be seen without... You know, which is an interesting...
[32:31] Speaker 2: There's a lot of armor. There's a lot of armor.
[32:33] Speaker 2: And Lisa, like, drop your weapons.
[32:36] Speaker 1: I think in dropping her weapons this season, I think
[32:40] Speaker 1: she's actually kind of like... I think.
[32:42] Speaker 2: She's down for shit because I showed you the TikTok
[32:44] Speaker 2: that you hadn't seen of her in the clubhouse in
[32:46] Speaker 2: the Watch What Happens Live clubhouse. Oh, yeah. On her
[32:48] Speaker 2: knees praying against the... Every single night.
[32:51] Speaker 1: I pray that my tits are sitting right.
[32:54] Speaker 2: And then it cuts out. She's just lip syncing to
[32:56] Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman.
[32:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[32:57] Speaker 2: And... And it works.
[32:58] Speaker 1: And it works for me.
[32:59] Speaker 2: And I just, we just have to, well, say more
[33:03] Speaker 2: about Lisa.
[33:04] Speaker 1: No, just like I, and then seeing her on the
[33:06] Speaker 1: Ultimate Girls Trip. Yeah.
[33:08] Speaker 2: And. She's kind of the winner to you, right? Out
[33:10] Speaker 2: of the whole roster.
[33:11] Speaker 1: Out of the Girls Trip roster, Portia is the winner.
[33:13] Speaker 2: Oh, fabulous.
[33:13] Speaker 1: For me, Portia is like.
[33:15] Speaker 2: No, she's an icon.
[33:17] Speaker 1: It's really, and also it's so cool to see her
[33:20] Speaker 1: in such a like actualized place.
[33:25] Speaker 2: Yes.
[33:25] Speaker 1: Like she's not, she really is. I mean, there was
[33:28] Speaker 1: like some documentation of like her anger management that she
[33:31] Speaker 1: did for a while. She obviously like had a very
[33:34] Speaker 1: sort of explosive moment on the show with Kenya all
[33:36] Speaker 1: those years ago. And to see her just like really, really,
[33:41] Speaker 1: really sure of who she is and kind of unbothered
[33:44] Speaker 1: in that way. Like there was a scene where like,
[33:47] Speaker 1: cause Luann was completely out of control the entire season.
[33:49] Speaker 2: Lou.
[33:51] Speaker 1: And I do think it's a little odd that this
[33:54] Speaker 1: person that had to literally miss a reunion several years
[33:57] Speaker 1: ago to go to rehab is like full on back
[34:00] Speaker 1: partying on the show. But that's... Her journey, I just
[34:04] Speaker 1: think as a viewer, it's a little weird.
[34:07] Speaker 2: Challenging, and I anticipate that for Karen Huger on Potomac
[34:10] Speaker 2: this season, but go ahead.
[34:11] Speaker 1: You think she's drinking? Is Karen drinking again on this season?
[34:13] Speaker 2: I don't think she's drinking, but I think it's a
[34:15] Speaker 2: really hard path, and I feel like if we can
[34:17] Speaker 2: extrapolate the way that we've extrapolated, we can now extrapolate,
[34:20] Speaker 2: or that we now see with Luann, it's like she
[34:22] Speaker 2: really has to have the intention, and I feel like...
[34:26] Speaker 2: Hopefully it's there. I'm just conjecturing. I really want the
[34:29] Speaker 2: best for him.
[34:29] Speaker 1: I mean, it's all conjecture when it's a reality television program.
[34:32] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, we're watching this, and
[34:34] Speaker 1: the narrative of pretty much the last several episodes of
[34:37] Speaker 1: Ultimate Girls Trip, at least amongst the cast, was Luann
[34:42] Speaker 1: can't stop talking over everyone when she steamrolls every single situation,
[34:47] Speaker 1: eats up all the air in the room, and is,
[34:51] Speaker 1: you know, like, down to fucking party.
[34:54] Speaker 2: And it gives....
[34:56] Speaker 1: It gives to me like the woman is peddling a
[35:00] Speaker 1: little fast. I'll put it there.
[35:03] Speaker 2: Being duck vibes.
[35:05] Speaker 1: She's, it's just, there's a lot of energy she suddenly has.
[35:09] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[35:10] Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
[35:11] Speaker 1: So like, I'm just like, is this okay? You know
[35:14] Speaker 1: what I mean? Because it feels a little bit erratic.
[35:16] Speaker 2: Sure.
[35:17] Speaker 1: But I love that Portia was like, because I feel
[35:19] Speaker 1: like old Portia would have popped off a lot of times,
[35:22] Speaker 1: but Portia was like, you know what? You are, she's like,
[35:25] Speaker 1: you are being out of control. She's like, she was
[35:27] Speaker 1: just like, you are obnoxious. Like this is the, this
[35:31] Speaker 1: is the truth. And I kind of like, you know,
[35:33] Speaker 1: like even, and by the way, just to speak on
[35:36] Speaker 1: Potomac and Jersey, which is coming back soon, I'm clean
[35:40] Speaker 1: slate vibes. Okay. I'm clean slate vibes. That means everyone
[35:44] Speaker 1: has a chance. If people can put things behind them,
[35:47] Speaker 1: so can I. I'm going in clean slate vibes. That
[35:50] Speaker 1: even means with Giselle.
[35:53] Speaker 2: Hell hath frozen over. If I am giving that woman
[35:58] Speaker 2: a clean slate.
[35:59] Speaker 1: I'm giving clean slate. I am. Because the thing is,
[36:02] Speaker 1: this show is about conflict and resolution. We have to
[36:04] Speaker 1: find that within ourselves. And yet there are.
[36:06] Speaker 2: People who you cannot reason with.
[36:10] Speaker 1: I would actually count Teresa Giudice among those people. However,
[36:13] Speaker 1: after seeing ultimate girls trip, I liked Teresa on the season.
[36:17] Speaker 1: I feel like her whole thing is when she like
[36:20] Speaker 1: feels attacked. And I think the mortal wound of Teresa
[36:23] Speaker 1: on New Jersey is that Melissa came on the show
[36:26] Speaker 1: without telling her without asking her or whatever. And in
[36:29] Speaker 1: the finale of ultimate girls trip, Andy like soft moderates
[36:32] Speaker 1: a conversation between Melissa and Teresa who are quote unquote
[36:36] Speaker 1: better now. Um, And you see that it's still not
[36:41] Speaker 1: something that Teresa can really let go of. And I
[36:45] Speaker 1: just don't want to watch more of them fighting. Or
[36:49] Speaker 1: if it is more of that, it needs to be
[36:51] Speaker 1: in a new dimension.
[36:52] Speaker 2: As you've just said, it is a show about conflict
[36:54] Speaker 2: and resolution.
[36:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, we must move on. So that's my plan.
[37:00] Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to... Who I
[37:03] Speaker 2: am deeming my number one housewife of all time.
[37:05] Speaker 1: Stacey Rush.
[37:06] Speaker 2: No, well, I love Stacey.
[37:09] Speaker 1: Wow, how quickly you abandoned.
[37:10] Speaker 2: I never said Stacey was my number one. Okay, go.
[37:12] Speaker 2: My number one is, for all time, Angie Katzenelis.
[37:18] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[37:19] Speaker 2: I think.
[37:21] Speaker 1: Angie Katzenelis.
[37:21] Speaker 2: I don't know. People, I guess, didn't like the whole
[37:23] Speaker 2: toothbrush moment in San Francisco when she was handing out toothbrushes. Oh, please.
[37:27] Speaker 2: She was being like a mean girl to Kwai, but
[37:30] Speaker 2: I was like, No, this is fun. This is like
[37:31] Speaker 2: Angie with the scroll. This is like Angie with the
[37:34] Speaker 2: face shield. It's like, this is, Angie loves a prop
[37:37] Speaker 2: and she loves spectacle.
[37:39] Speaker 1: The scroll. She loves, like, it's, it's Angie. And I
[37:42] Speaker 1: love the way she walks through what she's done.
[37:44] Speaker 2: Well.
[37:44] Speaker 1: Well, Kwai, I heard that you. Took your, took your,
[37:49] Speaker 1: your man's toothbrush and rimmed it around the toilet seat.
[37:51] Speaker 1: So I just thought, why not bring a toothbrush for everyone? Like,
[37:56] Speaker 1: it's like, I love the way she lays it on
[37:57] Speaker 1: so thick. Well. I love it. She's perfect. She shouldn't
[38:01] Speaker 1: change a thing.
[38:01] Speaker 2: She shouldn't change a thing. And she, She is confiding
[38:07] Speaker 2: to people that she is having a tough season and
[38:09] Speaker 2: she does not... She is sort of bracing herself because,
[38:12] Speaker 2: you know, she goes through marital problems.
[38:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
[38:14] Speaker 2: And perhaps she and Mary, who we can speak about,
[38:17] Speaker 2: are not on great terms anymore. But I reached out
[38:21] Speaker 2: to Angie directly. Oh, I read the text. The first episode,
[38:25] Speaker 2: I was like, Angie, I know things are a little
[38:30] Speaker 2: bit different now in terms of friendships, but I think
[38:32] Speaker 2: the way you showed up for Mary... in this really
[38:35] Speaker 2: hard moment for her speaks to your beautiful humanity. And just, you're, you're,
[38:41] Speaker 2: you're just an incredible person to me. And I know
[38:44] Speaker 2: you're having, and I know you're having a hard time
[38:46] Speaker 2: right now. I texted her the day that it was
[38:49] Speaker 2: reported that she and Sean were getting a divorce. I
[38:51] Speaker 2: texted her the day ago. No need to respond. Angie,
[38:54] Speaker 2: just want you to know nothing about this changes. The
[38:58] Speaker 2: fact that you are someone who shows up for family always.
[39:01] Speaker 2: And I love you. And I'm sending you love. No
[39:02] Speaker 2: need to respond. She responds two weeks later. She goes,
[39:05] Speaker 2: I'm finally coming up for air. I love you, Bowen.
[39:07] Speaker 2: I'm back to school shopping with Elektra. I'm like, Angie!
[39:12] Speaker 1: We love her.
[39:13] Speaker 2: I love you!
[39:14] Speaker 1: Honestly, you guys are such a love story that I
[39:18] Speaker 1: think about. Well, because, you know, because I... Y'all are
[39:20] Speaker 1: the opposite of East of Eden. It's the opposite of
[39:23] Speaker 1: East of Eden, And she has an A name.
[39:25] Speaker 2: And I have a B name.
[39:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[39:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[39:31] Speaker 1: But I went into it because I was her first
[39:33] Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live sort of co-guest.
[39:35] Speaker 2: Yes. That was when she was early days and I
[39:37] Speaker 2: was like, I don't know about this.
[39:39] Speaker 1: People didn't know about Angie Kay. People didn't know about
[39:41] Speaker 1: Angie Kay. Because she had a weird first season as
[39:43] Speaker 1: a friend. And I loved, and I still love Meredith.
[39:46] Speaker 2: I love Meredith Marks.
[39:46] Speaker 1: Love Meredith. You need Meredith.
[39:48] Speaker 2: You need Meredith. And she was really getting in Meredith's,
[39:51] Speaker 2: grinding Meredith's gears. And I was like, I need to,
[39:53] Speaker 2: you know, my loyalties stand with Meredith. And the way
[39:56] Speaker 2: she was so vulnerable with me and so nervous about
[40:00] Speaker 2: it being her first, like, you know, Watch What Happens
[40:02] Speaker 2: live appearance.
[40:03] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[40:03] Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my God. We love you. I
[40:06] Speaker 2: was like, I can't help but love this person.
[40:08] Speaker 1: Also, like, my favorite thing. I mean, when we did
[40:11] Speaker 1: the cultural awards the first year. Just showing up to
[40:14] Speaker 1: the hotel and just Heather Gay and Angie Katzeneves coming
[40:18] Speaker 1: in like on fire. Just like, oh my God, we're
[40:23] Speaker 1: so excited, et cetera. But I do want to say
[40:26] Speaker 1: something to Heather Gay.
[40:26] Speaker 2: All right.
[40:28] Speaker 1: Former guest of the show. I think that Heather is
[40:31] Speaker 1: one of my favorites forever. I love Heather.
[40:33] Speaker 2: You love Heather.
[40:33] Speaker 1: And there's ups and downs, but I think there's also
[40:36] Speaker 1: ups and downs with humans, so it's okay.
[40:38] Speaker 2: There you go.
[40:39] Speaker 1: I think Heather needs to realize she is now the
[40:41] Speaker 1: big dog. Heather is, I think Heather for a very
[40:45] Speaker 1: long time has probably felt like underdoggy and someone like
[40:50] Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow could bully her. That can't happen anymore. Like,
[40:54] Speaker 1: I think that unfortunately the roles or fortunately, depending on
[40:57] Speaker 1: how you choose to look at it, like the ultimate
[41:00] Speaker 1: girls trip stuff and the way that Heather came in
[41:02] Speaker 1: being like, I feel bad. Like it's giving a little
[41:06] Speaker 1: bit like a, alpha behavior without maybe realizing it. I
[41:11] Speaker 1: don't think that Heather is anywhere close to an underdog anymore.
[41:16] Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. And it's, it's behavioral and
[41:19] Speaker 2: relational shifts in status. Yeah. That like we can all
[41:25] Speaker 2: see plainly. Yeah.
[41:26] Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she's not aware of herself. Yeah. I
[41:28] Speaker 1: think that, and I think that like, It's, it's, it's just,
[41:33] Speaker 1: it's gotta be weird when that's sort of been like
[41:37] Speaker 1: a narrative for you is like, I am the, I
[41:40] Speaker 1: am a person who has been unsung my entire life.
[41:43] Speaker 1: I am finally learning. And then you get like the
[41:46] Speaker 1: fans all kind of like pick you as like, you know,
[41:49] Speaker 1: the center of the show, et cetera. And cause I,
[41:54] Speaker 1: it was rough for Lisa Barlow the first couple of seasons.
[41:56] Speaker 1: I remember that first reunion, like that the first two seasons,
[41:58] Speaker 1: it was like, she was, clearly expected it to go
[42:02] Speaker 1: a different way and to be the fan favorite. And
[42:04] Speaker 1: she would ultimately become, I think they're all fan favorites
[42:07] Speaker 1: at this point.
[42:07] Speaker 2: This is what happens when you get the Rihanna follow. Literally.
[42:10] Speaker 2: Heather got the Rihanna follow season one. I agree with
[42:14] Speaker 2: you about Heather. Love Meredith. Her face looks amazing. The
[42:18] Speaker 2: eyebrows are blocky. And I don't mean that in, you know,
[42:23] Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're literally blocks.
[42:25] Speaker 1: I love when Whitney goes. I feel like it's amazing
[42:28] Speaker 1: that Meredith is telling us about her new face and
[42:31] Speaker 1: her wig. Oh, not a wig.
[42:33] Speaker 2: Not a wig. Not a wig? No, no, no. The
[42:34] Speaker 2: producer goes, she hasn't told anyone. She hasn't said that
[42:37] Speaker 2: it's a wig. Oh. Whitney being Whitney.
[42:41] Speaker 1: I gotta say, I have a lot of grace for Whitney.
[42:43] Speaker 2: I love Whitney. I love every single person on that cast.
[42:46] Speaker 2: Me too. Bronwyn is... chafing me a little bit because
[42:48] Speaker 2: the lies are a little bit more plain this season
[42:51] Speaker 2: and I still love her and I've come a long
[42:52] Speaker 2: way with Bronwyn.
[42:53] Speaker 1: I really appreciate Bronwyn.
[42:54] Speaker 2: I appreciate Bronwyn and I'm happy she's on this journey.
[42:57] Speaker 1: Send her Snowflake.
[42:57] Speaker 2: And Kwai, a lot of promise.
[42:59] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[42:59] Speaker 2: I'm very fascinated with Kwai. Miriam Cosby.
[43:03] Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember how ahead of the curve we
[43:05] Speaker 1: were when our second day of culture on our Christmas
[43:09] Speaker 1: episodes was Miriam Cosby hits the world stage? That was
[43:12] Speaker 1: only after the first season of Salt Lake. That was 2020. Sometimes.
[43:18] Speaker 1: Every time we get it right.
[43:25] Speaker 2: Period. Let's move over to Roni.
[43:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Roni this year.
[43:29] Speaker 2: Well, I think the new.
[43:30] Speaker 1: I love it.
[43:31] Speaker 2: I think the new girls are... Yeah, stronger. So strong.
[43:34] Speaker 2: I feel like Jessel, I think... Everyone's saying she's the
[43:38] Speaker 2: new Ramona or Sonia where she's just clueless and ditzy.
[43:41] Speaker 2: I think... I think it's missing something. I think Jessel...
[43:46] Speaker 2: just doesn't know anything about anything in a way that's
[43:48] Speaker 2: like a little, and then, and then, and then it's like,
[43:50] Speaker 2: you know, classist in her way, pretty overtly where I'm like,
[43:53] Speaker 2: all right, like you got, you got to balance it out.
[43:55] Speaker 1: It is like her elitism and ignorance were sort of
[43:58] Speaker 1: the thing that established her character. But now it kind
[44:01] Speaker 1: of just becomes like, do you care about anyone else?
[44:04] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[44:05] Speaker 1: That there is that vibe in like for her to be, to.
[44:08] Speaker 2: Be so double down on the Carolyn Bessette thing. It's like, babe,
[44:12] Speaker 2: cut it out.
[44:13] Speaker 1: I got to say, Like, so it's the Carolyn Bessette thing, right?
[44:17] Speaker 1: And it's also, like, the Epstein thing. Apparently, Psy, like,
[44:21] Speaker 1: kind of goes in on Carol later in the season
[44:23] Speaker 1: about Epstein. And my thing is, like, When you're saying that,
[44:27] Speaker 1: what are you saying? Like, what is the insinuation there
[44:29] Speaker 1: that Carol is like, was involved, that Carol knew and
[44:33] Speaker 1: didn't do anything? Like when you're saying like you knew
[44:35] Speaker 1: Epstein on this reality show, like, okay, yes, it's a fact.
[44:41] Speaker 1: It's incendiary. I think that's all.
[44:43] Speaker 2: I don't think Psy is thinking ahead because I don't,
[44:45] Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't, I don't think Psy like
[44:48] Speaker 2: has that sort of presence to really like, chart her
[44:53] Speaker 2: course on this show. I don't think she knows what
[44:56] Speaker 2: her place is.
[44:57] Speaker 1: I honestly think, well, it was funny because her first
[45:01] Speaker 1: episode was literally her being like, so the first two seasons,
[45:05] Speaker 1: pretty much everything I've been telling you is fraud. Like,
[45:08] Speaker 1: my husband is not retired, he just doesn't work. I
[45:11] Speaker 1: was attacking Jessel because I was jealous, et cetera. So
[45:14] Speaker 1: it's like, when you establish that you are someone who
[45:19] Speaker 1: is not truthful, And that, again, becomes like a grounding
[45:24] Speaker 1: thing in your character. Of course I obviously know her
[45:28] Speaker 1: life must have been difficult because she was in love
[45:30] Speaker 1: with this man and had kids with this man who
[45:31] Speaker 1: was just kind of like, wasn't putting effort into any
[45:35] Speaker 1: aspect of his life.
[45:36] Speaker 2: Right, and she's the breadwinner.
[45:37] Speaker 1: And she's the breadwinner. Obviously that's frustrating and then you
[45:39] Speaker 1: get this opportunity and you're not just gonna say that,
[45:42] Speaker 1: but you kind of like built a whole thing around
[45:47] Speaker 1: attacking other people's marriages. So for you to now say, hey,
[45:51] Speaker 1: it's just because mine was a total sham, It's like, well,
[45:55] Speaker 1: we can't necessarily trust anything else that you say. Yeah.
[45:59] Speaker 1: Or that you're attacking people in good faith. So when
[46:01] Speaker 1: she whips out Epstein, which I have such a problem
[46:04] Speaker 1: with people just cavalierly whipping that around, like it's not
[46:07] Speaker 1: going to trigger the many women and gay men that
[46:10] Speaker 1: like watch this shit. Like, what are you saying when
[46:13] Speaker 1: you say that?
[46:16] Speaker 2: I think maybe to give her benefit of doubt, it's
[46:20] Speaker 2: like Carol has this like proximity to like billionaire class
[46:25] Speaker 2: old money totally like which fine but like.
[46:29] Speaker 1: Do you think that's what Psy is arguing I don't
[46:32] Speaker 1: I think she'd wanted to say something explosive on a
[46:34] Speaker 1: reality show which is also it hasn't happened yet it's
[46:36] Speaker 1: just the buzz that I know it gets brought.
[46:38] Speaker 2: Up right but with Psy Aaron and Jessel it's like
[46:41] Speaker 2: they are all three of them kind of flailing a
[46:44] Speaker 2: bit like Aaron going after um Hayley.
[46:49] Speaker 1: Oh that was really uncalled for I'm like you guys
[46:52] Speaker 1: yeah also obsessed with.
[46:53] Speaker 2: Her I love Haley. Yeah, I'm obsessed with Daisy.
[46:57] Speaker 1: Love Daisy.
[46:58] Speaker 2: I just love that. Just a green flag that she
[47:00] Speaker 2: has like an Asian husband.
[47:03] Speaker 1: Literally, I was like, I was like, I love Daisy.
[47:06] Speaker 1: And that was the first thing you said. And I
[47:07] Speaker 1: was just like that, like the Martha Stewart of it all. Also,
[47:11] Speaker 1: like the, you know where she had her Seder was,
[47:16] Speaker 1: fabulous oh yes felt very like old roni to me
[47:20] Speaker 1: you know what i mean it felt like it felt
[47:22] Speaker 1: to me like oh yeah we're like you know we're
[47:25] Speaker 1: at like an authentic it felt very new york girl
[47:28] Speaker 1: it's so real that we were just missing the humor.
[47:31] Speaker 2: Absolutely like they weren't funny.
[47:34] Speaker 1: No you know what like i will give them this
[47:36] Speaker 1: i think that aaron is a good talking head I
[47:39] Speaker 1: think she, I, she was walking down the street, like
[47:41] Speaker 1: complaining to her husband. And I was laughing because I
[47:44] Speaker 1: was like, her first scene in the show was like,
[47:46] Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck. And then I was like,
[47:49] Speaker 1: that is how a New York woman talks to her
[47:50] Speaker 1: husband on the phone. All right. Love you. Bye. You
[47:52] Speaker 1: know what I mean?
[47:52] Speaker 2: Like that I get.
[47:54] Speaker 1: So I allegedly I'm laughing because I feel like I
[47:56] Speaker 1: understand it.
[47:57] Speaker 2: Sure. Sure. Sure.
[47:58] Speaker 1: For me, it's like the strongest are the new girls,
[48:02] Speaker 1: the new girls and Carol.
[48:03] Speaker 2: Carol immediately establishing immediately the star, the star, um, love
[48:08] Speaker 2: that she's, that she's teaching the masses about sort of
[48:11] Speaker 2: switching sides and parking.
[48:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, New York shit.
[48:14] Speaker 2: That's New York shit.
[48:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, like, and honestly, just pretty much everything about, and
[48:19] Speaker 1: it's not even that I think she hearkens back to
[48:22] Speaker 1: the old Roni. You know what I loved? I was
[48:24] Speaker 1: when she, when she said to Aaron, like, you're not
[48:26] Speaker 1: going to get sympathy from me.
[48:27] Speaker 2: I love that.
[48:28] Speaker 1: She was like, that was crazy what you did.
[48:30] Speaker 2: So they needed to stop talking at that gala during
[48:33] Speaker 2: the auction. Yeah. Like quiet.
[48:36] Speaker 1: Yeah. It's time for quiet.
[48:37] Speaker 2: It's time for quiet. No, I just, yeah, I just
[48:40] Speaker 2: think the three sort of middle girls in the sandwich, women,
[48:45] Speaker 2: housewives in the sandwich, are like, just, they're just doing
[48:47] Speaker 2: too much. And Jessel, it's just getting a little old.
[48:52] Speaker 2: I'm just, I just don't, I need something compelling to
[48:59] Speaker 2: watch in the story, and if she can't provide that,
[49:01] Speaker 2: then that's too bad.
[49:02] Speaker 1: She's done it so many times, too.
[49:04] Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but then even, like, the stuff with her husband,
[49:07] Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so this guy is ex-tech bro who
[49:11] Speaker 2: was always a little grating.
[49:15] Speaker 1: Oh, he's he's iffy in terms of like it's really
[49:18] Speaker 1: tough for me he's like he's like an elon stan
[49:23] Speaker 1: right and.
[49:24] Speaker 2: But now he wants to like transition to like food
[49:25] Speaker 2: influencing i'm like this.
[49:28] Speaker 1: Is just i don't think any of these women's husbands
[49:30] Speaker 1: really work did anyone think that maybe that's why they're
[49:35] Speaker 1: on the show I mean, who knows? I mean, like
[49:38] Speaker 1: at a certain point, it's like the dominoes just fall.
[49:42] Speaker 2: The dominoes just fall. I don't know. Yeah. Aaron.
[49:45] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[49:45] Speaker 2: What does Abe do?
[49:47] Speaker 1: Is he a lawyer?
[49:49] Speaker 2: I don't know. Those are my running thoughts. Okay, what else?
[49:51] Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to go see Verity, right? Yeah.
[49:55] Speaker 1: Then I go on Instagram. Immediately, the twist is spoiled.
[50:00] Speaker 1: I don't know how someone just got into the theater,
[50:04] Speaker 1: literally recorded.
[50:06] Speaker 2: I'm saying audience behavior.
[50:08] Speaker 1: And then I thought, maybe that's way bigger of a
[50:11] Speaker 1: reason why the box office is... And that movie did well.
[50:16] Speaker 1: I mean, it got number one. But for example... I
[50:19] Speaker 1: probably could have done better. Like I probably would have
[50:21] Speaker 1: gone to the theater to go see it if it
[50:23] Speaker 1: wasn't ruined for me just scrolling. There's a moment at
[50:27] Speaker 1: the end where it kind of reveals something about Anne
[50:30] Speaker 1: Hathaway's character Verity. And like, I knew this because I
[50:34] Speaker 1: was aware of the book, but when I saw it,
[50:36] Speaker 1: I was just like, I already didn't have a lot
[50:39] Speaker 1: of time. And I was like, I don't know. Now
[50:41] Speaker 1: I just like literally saw the climax of the movie.
[50:44] Speaker 1: And then I thought like, it sort of goes hand
[50:47] Speaker 1: in hand with marketing, right? It's like, Because then I
[50:51] Speaker 1: was thinking about Digger. Yeah. So I didn't know this
[50:55] Speaker 1: movie cost almost $ 180 million.
[50:59] Speaker 2: It stands to, yeah, lose $ 150, yeah.
[51:01] Speaker 1: Because it made only $ 8 million, I guess, its opening weekend.
[51:05] Speaker 1: And then I thought, who actually thought that this like
[51:13] Speaker 1: sort of, experimental movie about climate change, like by Iñárritu,
[51:21] Speaker 1: who's like a very challenging filmmaker, like obviously a decorated filmmaker,
[51:25] Speaker 1: but not necessarily known for big box office. I don't
[51:28] Speaker 1: think a general population really knows his name. It's not
[51:31] Speaker 1: like that.
[51:32] Speaker 2: All chips were in on just it being Tom Cruise.
[51:35] Speaker 1: Right, but there's something different about Tom Cruise as a
[51:38] Speaker 1: draw when you've completely covered him in prosthetics and put
[51:42] Speaker 1: him in a challenging film.
[51:43] Speaker 2: And marketed the film in a way that is like.
[51:46] Speaker 1: See for yourself. We know our reviews are mid, but
[51:50] Speaker 1: see for yourself.
[51:51] Speaker 2: It's not what you think it is. And then you
[51:53] Speaker 2: go and it's like, oh, wait, why did this cost?
[51:56] Speaker 2: Why a political satire should not cost more than, I'm
[51:59] Speaker 2: going to say... 20, generously 30 million.
[52:03] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Does anyone think it's weird that a political
[52:06] Speaker 1: satire about climate change costs $ 180 million? What are we
[52:13] Speaker 1: talking about? And then it pisses me off even more
[52:16] Speaker 1: because like they consider everything else a fucking risk.
[52:19] Speaker 2: Well, the execs who are allegedly professionals at assessing risk
[52:24] Speaker 2: are people who see Digger as something that is like
[52:28] Speaker 2: a sure thing because it's like, I don't know.
[52:30] Speaker 1: How could you ever think that?
[52:33] Speaker 2: Because, not to make it about this, but it is
[52:36] Speaker 2: about the makeup of those execs being mostly white and male.
[52:40] Speaker 1: 100%. And my other thing is, I remember a few
[52:46] Speaker 1: years ago when Cord Jefferson won the Oscar for American Fiction.
[52:49] Speaker 1: He was like, please, make 10 movies for $ 10 million
[52:53] Speaker 1: instead of one for $ 100 million and you will see.
[52:56] Speaker 1: And that has proven true time and time again. And
[52:59] Speaker 1: this is an actual, this is another Oscar winner that
[53:02] Speaker 1: I guess we're disregarding for whatever reasons you just want
[53:06] Speaker 1: to disregard him.
[53:06] Speaker 2: In your interview, you mean?
[53:07] Speaker 1: No, Accord Jefferson.
[53:08] Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[53:09] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He's an incredible filmmaker with
[53:12] Speaker 1: a better point than anyone made at that show. Anyone
[53:16] Speaker 1: has made probably the best Oscar speech ever. I would
[53:18] Speaker 1: say that and Michaela Cole's Emmy speech were like the
[53:22] Speaker 1: best speeches I've seen actually speaking to issues regarding art
[53:26] Speaker 1: and commerce and the human spirit and the way you
[53:29] Speaker 1: refuel and the way you put things out there in
[53:31] Speaker 1: the world. And then like, I just can't get over
[53:35] Speaker 1: that it's about climate change. It costs that much money.
[53:38] Speaker 2: It's insane.
[53:39] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[53:41] Speaker 2: Tough. And it was supposed to be. And, like, just, yeah,
[53:43] Speaker 2: Tom's had a tough year, I would say. What else
[53:47] Speaker 2: happened with Tom? I just think the GQ spread was, like,
[53:50] Speaker 2: much maligned.
[53:52] Speaker 1: See, that's the thing, too, is it's, like, if you're
[53:54] Speaker 1: going to put your lead actor out there, like, PR
[53:57] Speaker 1: should be looking at what he's doing and wonder, does
[53:59] Speaker 1: this track? Right. You know what I mean? Like, unfortunately
[54:02] Speaker 1: for Tom Cruise, he now has a very... let's call
[54:06] Speaker 1: it a very polarizing reputation. So perchance people are not
[54:11] Speaker 1: seeing Top Gun Maverick because of Tom Cruise. They're seeing
[54:15] Speaker 1: it because it's Top Gun and it got incredible reviews
[54:18] Speaker 1: and it's a nostalgia thing.
[54:19] Speaker 2: Exactly.
[54:20] Speaker 1: Which can still work.
[54:22] Speaker 2: And it has this new crop of stars. Exactly.
[54:25] Speaker 1: It had Glenn Powell. It had, I believe, I don't
[54:28] Speaker 1: think people were going for these other people. But it
[54:30] Speaker 1: was like, you know, you get the younger people to go,
[54:33] Speaker 1: oh yeah. Like, who don't care for Tom Cruise, but
[54:35] Speaker 1: who go, oh, yeah, that guy from that movie. Like, it's...
[54:39] Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, they let Iñárritu make this movie.
[54:41] Speaker 1: He's obviously got two best director Oscar wins. He's an
[54:44] Speaker 1: extremely talented person. But it feels like way too big
[54:50] Speaker 1: a swing to make any sense at all. And yet.
[54:55] Speaker 2: And who is going to be punished for this? Yeah.
[55:00] Speaker 1: I think... Anyone that wants to do something different, I think.
[55:02] Speaker 2: I know. That's what's scary. And we're recording this on
[55:05] Speaker 2: the day that the Paramount and Warner Brothers deal closed.
[55:07] Speaker 2: And I'm like.
[55:08] Speaker 1: Skydance. Right. Which feels so close to Skynet.
[55:14] Speaker 2: Right?
[55:15] Speaker 1: It's really too much.
[55:16] Speaker 2: Too much.
[55:17] Speaker 1: It's kind of all too much. Ever thought about that? Yeah.
[55:25] Speaker 1: You hear about Gypsy Rose?
[55:28] Speaker 2: I certainly did.
[55:31] Speaker 1: I certainly did. That's spooky for me.
[55:33] Speaker 2: I have fear.
[55:38] Speaker 1: Very afraid of her.
[55:39] Speaker 2: Very afraid of her.
[55:41] Speaker 1: Very afraid of her.
[55:42] Speaker 2: And why didn't we put this past her? Because this
[55:45] Speaker 2: is a girl who killed her mother.
[55:46] Speaker 1: Flat out killed her mom. Flat out killed her mom
[55:50] Speaker 1: and then was invited on The View and was like, hey,
[55:54] Speaker 1: how are you guys? It's amazing to see you guys.
[55:57] Speaker 1: Like on every show, like smiling, being like, I have
[56:00] Speaker 1: a boyfriend. I'm pregnant. This is like, I'm a killer.
[56:07] Speaker 2: Who....
[56:09] Speaker 1: Had the proxy.
[56:12] Speaker 2: Is weird in the Munchausen's by proxy. The proxy is
[56:16] Speaker 2: iffy on that. It's like, she's, she's, she's absorbed something
[56:20] Speaker 2: truly terrible in life.
[56:24] Speaker 1: I can't imagine. And did you see the video of like,
[56:26] Speaker 1: I guess she got upset with her, with her partner
[56:30] Speaker 1: who's now dead.
[56:31] Speaker 2: Right.
[56:32] Speaker 1: Um, she was like upset with him and she recorded
[56:34] Speaker 1: a video of herself, like cutting up his blanket. and
[56:37] Speaker 1: she was screaming, this person is not well.
[56:40] Speaker 2: Very blank space.
[56:41] Speaker 1: Very blank space coded. Which means you're dealing with a
[56:46] Speaker 1: dangerous person. And that's rule of culture number eight. If
[56:49] Speaker 1: someone is blank space coded, it means you are dealing
[56:51] Speaker 1: with a dangerous person.
[56:54] Speaker 2: I want to quickly shout out two true crime things
[56:57] Speaker 2: that I've gotten into that were mostly just bleak. I
[57:00] Speaker 2: think I've hit a ceiling with true crime. It used
[57:03] Speaker 2: to be a thing I could reliably watch.
[57:04] Speaker 1: I was there so long ago, yeah.
[57:06] Speaker 2: The Witterer on Netflix bummed me out. Oh, and Killing
[57:09] Speaker 2: of the Pastor's Wife bummed me out. And A Killer
[57:13] Speaker 2: Story on HBO bummed me out. I'm no longer finding
[57:17] Speaker 2: it juicy.
[57:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, well, there's reaching critical mass. There's
[57:22] Speaker 1: just like, at a certain point too, I think you've
[57:24] Speaker 1: kind of seen the best of a genre for now.
[57:27] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Sure. It's like.
[57:29] Speaker 2: What was the best?
[57:31] Speaker 1: Best true crime?
[57:31] Speaker 2: I mean, The Jinx. Oh, absolutely. And I want to
[57:34] Speaker 2: say Gilgo Beach Killer, Long Island, Long Island, Syria.
[57:38] Speaker 1: Well, you know, that was close to my heart.
[57:39] Speaker 2: But you've never seen the films that were made about it.
[57:41] Speaker 1: No, I can't watch all that. I lived it. I
[57:44] Speaker 1: was killed by the Gilgo Beach murderer.
[57:46] Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
[57:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I'm a ghost. Pathetic ghost.
[57:49] Speaker 2: Pathetic. Okay.
[57:51] Speaker 1: Wait, I just want to say, I want to shout
[57:53] Speaker 1: out everyone in this room. I want to shout out you.
[57:55] Speaker 2: I want to shout out you.
[57:56] Speaker 1: I want to shout out the readers, Katie's publicist and
[57:58] Speaker 1: finalist and Kyle's because... This is a first. Lost Couch
[58:02] Speaker 1: has been shortlisted.
[58:03] Speaker 2: I love being shortlisted.
[58:04] Speaker 1: We are shortlisted. We are in the top 30. I
[58:08] Speaker 1: think there'll be five nominees for a Golden Globe for
[58:11] Speaker 1: Best Podcast.
[58:13] Speaker 2: Which, look.
[58:14] Speaker 1: Yeah. Clap for yourselves. Clap for yourselves. Clap if you
[58:16] Speaker 1: think they should suffer. Clap if you think they should suffer.
[58:18] Speaker 2: Meaning us.
[58:19] Speaker 1: And get snubbed. I wanted to walk through all the
[58:21] Speaker 1: nominees and say why we should beat them. Okay. Because
[58:25] Speaker 1: by the, I think we should play dirty for this.
[58:27] Speaker 1: I think we should campaign. I think we should. I
[58:30] Speaker 1: think it was like, this is a rumor, but I
[58:32] Speaker 1: think Tobey Maguire years ago sent them all DVD players
[58:34] Speaker 1: or Leo did on his behalf. Sharon Stone like threw
[58:37] Speaker 1: him a birthday party.
[58:38] Speaker 2: HFPA no longer exists, but.
[58:40] Speaker 1: But people like to be bribed.
[58:41] Speaker 2: But people like to be bribed.
[58:43] Speaker 1: So that's later. But for now, okay, here's the other podcast.
[58:46] Speaker 1: Bad Friends. This is the one with Bobby Lee and
[58:49] Speaker 1: Andrew Santino. Right.
[58:51] Speaker 2: Well, we do a fun, gayer version of that.
[58:53] Speaker 1: We're like a queer version of that.
[58:54] Speaker 2: Without, you know, all the manosphere adjacent stuff. Exactly.
[58:58] Speaker 1: I mean, you know, funny story. I had an audition
[59:01] Speaker 1: with Andrew Santino, like a chemistry read. And we had
[59:04] Speaker 1: a lot of chemistry. he's I'm sure he's a great
[59:06] Speaker 1: actor and then he goes to me he goes to
[59:07] Speaker 1: me after that was actually good I was like I
[59:11] Speaker 1: could say the same thing yeah behind the bastards I
[59:15] Speaker 1: don't know what that is sure does anyone know what
[59:17] Speaker 1: that is What is that?
[59:18] Speaker 2: Okay.
[59:19] Speaker 1: It's an iHeart podcast?
[59:21] Speaker 2: Boo! Fuck them! Fuck iHeart.
[59:24] Speaker 1: You do that podcast? You're a multiple shortlisted nominee.
[59:27] Speaker 2: Congratulations.
[59:28] Speaker 1: Do you like them better than us? They don't know
[59:30] Speaker 1: who you are. They know who I am, but... No, no,
[59:32] Speaker 1: but they don't know... Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like
[59:35] Speaker 1: you guys.
[59:36] Speaker 2: Okay.
[59:36] Speaker 1: Cool. So that means they're out.
[59:37] Speaker 2: They're out.
[59:38] Speaker 1: Great. Call her daddy.
[59:40] Speaker 2: Sure.
[59:41] Speaker 1: I want to remind everyone she runs a toxic company.
[59:45] Speaker 2: Right? Called Unwell.
[59:46] Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's true. I just want
[59:48] Speaker 1: to remind everyone for the campaigns of purpose.
[59:50] Speaker 2: Your team Alex Earl.
[59:52] Speaker 1: Sure. Because of Golden Globes, yes. Because of Golden Globes,
[59:55] Speaker 1: I want to remind everyone that Call Her Daddy is
[59:57] Speaker 1: at a toxic company. No, we love you.
[59:59] Speaker 2: We love you, girl. We love you.
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: Conor O'Brien needs a friend. Well, he doesn't need a
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: Golden Globe.
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: He doesn't need a Golden Globe. We need it more.
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: He's been much acclaimed.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: Crime Junkie. As you said, true crime is over.
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: We're done.
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: So Dateline NBC, kind of same thing.
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: And they're the ones who did To Catch a Predator.
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: So they're responsible for it.
[1:00:20] Speaker 2: They're responsible for Chris Hansen.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:00:22] Speaker 2: And his bad behavior.
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: This one. Good hang with Amy Poehler.
[1:00:27] Speaker 2: Actually, I have a bone to pick.
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: You know what I'll say? We invented sycophantically laughing at
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: everything a celebrity says. We invented sitting down with an
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: extremely famous person and being like.
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: Also, we were booked for it and then.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: Well, we had to reschedule.
[1:00:44] Speaker 2: I think they had to reschedule.
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: I think they had to reschedule. And then on the
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: reschedule date, we had to reschedule. Sure. She won last year.
[1:00:50] Speaker 2: She won last year.
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: Listen, Amy Poehler invented us. We invented Good Hang. Sorry.
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: And she would say it.
[1:00:57] Speaker 2: No, she wouldn't.
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: No. But she did reference us on the first episode.
[1:01:00] Speaker 1: Because authenticity is dangerous and expensive. She referenced us the
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: first episode. So she should give us her Golden Globe
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: from last year. Give us her Golden Globe from last year.
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: We're beefing with Amy. Yeah, it's officially a beef. Love Trapped?
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: What is that? Is that iHeart2? No. I don't know
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: who they are. Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast. How about
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: Matt and Bowen's Very Public Podcast?
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: There you go.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: Fuck you guys. Morbid sounds... It's a true crime podcast,
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: Love Trapped.
[1:01:26] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, so fuck that. Morbid sounds like another true
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: crime-y thing.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: Why are there... The true crimes have to cancel each
[1:01:31] Speaker 1: other out here. Yeah. We're the only originals on this list.
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: Mr.
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: Ballin Podcast, Strange, Dark, and Mysterious Stories. Okay.
[1:01:39] Speaker 2: Sounds true crime-y again.
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: Sounds redundant. My Favorite Murderer with Karen Kilgareff and Georgia Hartstark.
[1:01:45] Speaker 2: We love, I mean, but.
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: Love them, respect them.
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: Love and respect.
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: It's true crime.
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: It's true crime.
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: Can't, can't, can't abide.
[1:01:51] Speaker 2: We're done.
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelsey.
[1:01:54] Speaker 2: I haven't heard of this one.
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: I have.
[1:01:55] Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
[1:01:57] Speaker 1: I don't think... They seem like.
[1:01:59] Speaker 2: Sounds like two gay people of color to me. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: Well, I hope they win.
[1:02:04] Speaker 2: I hope they win.
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: Pardon my take. Then fucking stand by what you have
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: to say. Stand by it.
[1:02:11] Speaker 2: Don't pardon.
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: You don't deserve this. Pod Save America? Yeah, not yet.
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: You didn't do it.
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: You lost. Yeah. Tough one. But yeah, go Gavin Newsom. Anyways.
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: Revisionist history.
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: Well... How about Revisionist Now?
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: Is that iHeart? Malcolm Gladwell?
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: Oh, Malcolm. We've done 10,000 hours, Malcolm. We deserve the
[1:02:40] Speaker 2: award more than you.
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: Exactly. Get out of here.
[1:02:42] Speaker 2: Get lost.
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: Rotten Mango? That sounds disgusting.
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: Disgusting.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: It's horrible.
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: Flies.
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: Yeah. Smartless.
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: Sure. We invented co-hosts talking over each other.
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: Yeah. We did. Stuff you should know. I should know
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: what this podcast is if it's going to be nominated.
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: Wow. It's one of our biggest podcasts on the network. No, no,
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: it's just huge.
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: It's one of their biggest podcasts on the network?
[1:03:06] Speaker 2: I've been listening to Stuff You Should Know for years.
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: You've listened to Stuff You Should Know for years? Who
[1:03:10] Speaker 1: is that?
[1:03:11] Speaker 2: It's like a very, very old podcast.
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: So you guys are telling me it's very old and
[1:03:16] Speaker 1: very popular.
[1:03:16] Speaker 2: Yes. But so are we. So are we.
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: So are we. It has over a billion downloads. Has
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: over a billion downloads? It's like the first show you
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: ever listened to. Then they don't need a Golden Globe.
[1:03:24] Speaker 2: They don't need a Golden Globe.
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: They don't need it. The Bill Simmons Podcast. Yes. Who
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: is Bill Simmons? Exactly.
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: There you go.
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: The Daily. Yeah, I'm feeling like shit daily from listening
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: to this podcast. The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, this is
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: a great idea. This is a good idea.
[1:03:42] Speaker 2: Michael Barbaro, go on video challenge.
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: How about that? How come The Daily doesn't have to
[1:03:47] Speaker 1: be video when we do?
[1:03:48] Speaker 2: How come they don't need a set?
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: We have to be video. They don't.
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: They don't.
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Experience.
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: Who's that?
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: I just, yeah, I guess give him a Golden Globe.
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: That'll be good. That'll be good vibes.
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: That'll be really good. Speaking of good vibes, the Megyn
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: Kelly show. Oh, Aura Queen. Literally best vibe hands down.
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: I just want to read something Megyn Kelly just said
[1:04:15] Speaker 1: about Olivia Rodrigo when she stuck up for the Cornell victim. Olivia,
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Shut
[1:04:22] Speaker 1: up and stick to singing. I liked you better when
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: you were in front of a microphone singing your weird
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: little depressing songs. It's better to keep your mouth shut
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: and let people suspect you're an idiot than to open
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: it and prove them right. Be quiet. Go away. See
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: you at your concert.
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: So she's going to the concert.
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. No, she was probably just being hilarious
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: like she always is.
[1:04:45] Speaker 2: Megan, so funny.
[1:04:47] Speaker 1: She's such a fucking hypocrite and she's so nasty.
[1:04:50] Speaker 2: Isn't it incredible that Megyn Kelly's radicalization happened because of Luann?
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: Oh my God.
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: Countess Luann did blackface.
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: Megyn Kelly was taken off the air. from the Today
[1:05:07] Speaker 2: Show block because Megan didn't see what was wrong with
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: Luann dressing up as Diana Ross and going in blackface
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: for Halloween.
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: And that was the downfall of Megyn Kelly.
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: And that was the downfall of Megyn Kelly.
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: Who, by the way, would absolutely have stayed at NBC
[1:05:20] Speaker 1: had they allowed her to. So to now be like,
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: you know, taking down the mainstream media, which like she
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: wasn't a part of it for years. You're now like, yeah,
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: Fox News is bought and paid for, whatever. So you
[1:05:31] Speaker 1: were bought and paid for forever? Yeah. And then you
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: just move to another network where you were bought and
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: paid for? Like, the only reason you're not bought and
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: paid for now is because you got kicked out of
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: those industries because of a litany of reasons. You would
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: still be there if that was still the way.
[1:05:46] Speaker 2: It's Darvo shit. It's... Anyway.
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: The Mel Robbins podcast.
[1:05:49] Speaker 2: Deny attack, reverse victim and offender. Okay.
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: Also, she like dragged the Golden Globes last year.
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: Mel Robbins?
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: No, Megyn Kelly dragged the Golden Globes last year for
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: even shortlisting her the first time. So I don't know
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: why they would shortlist her again. She called you guys
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: anything but a child of God.
[1:06:07] Speaker 2: Mel Robbins. Mel Robbins. Well, that's tough. Grifter. Grifter.
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: Sean Ryan show. I don't know who that is.
[1:06:17] Speaker 2: The Toast.
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: I actually like The Toast.
[1:06:19] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson Show.
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: Love that guy.
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: I actually like The Tucker Carlson Show. Absolute shapeshifter. Does
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: whatever he needs to do to gain favor. I think
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: if we are as dumb as we've proven to be,
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: then we'll probably elect him president. This American Life, they
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: should win.
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: Oh, wait. This American Life should win.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: Yeah. This past weekend with Theo Vaughn. Oh. Oh. That
[1:06:43] Speaker 1: is the sound you make to get Theo Vaughn's podcast across. Oh.
[1:06:49] Speaker 1: Guess I thought about it different.
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: Anyway.
[1:06:53] Speaker 2: Vote for us.
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: Vote for us. Well, not that it's a voting thing,
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: but we obviously deserve to win.
[1:06:59] Speaker 2: Listen, I don't need it.
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: We don't need it. We need food, water, and shelter.
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: We need food, water, and shelter and a care team.
[1:07:08] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, you know, someone who cuts our hair,
[1:07:10] Speaker 2: someone who, you know.
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: We don't need that.
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: We don't need that.
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: You sound out of touch. I'm going to push back.
[1:07:17] Speaker 2: Thank you. We were supposed to do a top five list.
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: I think we're out of time.
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: We are out of time. We're going to figure out another. Well,
[1:07:23] Speaker 1: that was kind of our list. Top 29 reasons why
[1:07:26] Speaker 1: those podcasts should not win.
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: We're going to end our culture catch-ups with lists, which
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: we used to do for our bonus episodes, which I
[1:07:31] Speaker 2: thought were some of our best work.
[1:07:33] Speaker 1: Snapped in a half.
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: There you go. Snapped it in half. But this has
[1:07:36] Speaker 2: been a lovely culture catch-up. Yeah. See you next week.
[1:07:39] Speaker 1: See you next week on Gay Guy Friday.
[1:07:42] Speaker 2: On Gay Guy Friday. Bye.
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: Bye.
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: Yo za.
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: Yo za.
[1:07:45] Speaker 2: Lost Culture Racist is a production by Will Ferrell's Big
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos. Edited
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henry Kaburski.
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me, Matt, and my tour is on
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: sale now. This time, it's really Christmas. You can go
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: to www.mattrogersofficial.com. Podcasts are a visual medium. If you're not
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: watching me right now, I am holding in my hands
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: my vinyl. It's called Have You Heard of Christmas? The
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: answer to that question is coming. At this time, it's
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: really Christmas. I'm playing all over the country and in
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: London and in Canada. That makes it a world tour.
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: Harry Styles, you're on burn notice. I'll see you soon.

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