# 464: Palmer Luckey—The Department of War Has a Mullet

An episode of [The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1087110764), 13 Jan 2026, 1 h 58 min.

Audio: https://claritaspod.com/measure/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/mgln.ai/e/1124/prfx.byspotify.com/e/arttrk.com/p/MRWRK/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/thewayiheardit/464_Palmer_Luckey.mp3?dest-id=323283

Tech founder, defense disruptor, and founder of Anduril Industries Palmer Luckey chats with Mike about the strange haircut on America's military bureaucracy—all business in the front, chaos in the back. Luckey explains how Anduril is trying to bring speed, accountability, and modern technology to national defense, often in spite of layers of red tape. Along the way, they discuss why Palmer got into defense contracting, who was pivotal in the Department of Defense becoming the Department of War, and why he donated to AOC.

Shows are listed from Apple Podcasts' charts and directory, and Podcast Index where it is used. Every show and episode belongs to its publisher and plays from the publisher's own feed; this site hosts none of them.