# When Parents Become Bullys

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 1 Apr 2026, 18 min.

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A viral parenting moment shocked the internet - but what if the real problem isn’t the child… it’s the response? When a young girl’s bullying leads to a harsh, fear-based punishment, millions applaud the dad’s reaction. But beneath the surface, there’s a deeper, more uncomfortable truth most parents are missing. In this episode, we unpack what actually works when kids act out - and why fear, shame, and punishment can quietly make things worse. If you’ve ever felt the urge to come down hard on your child… this conversation might change everything. KEY POINTS • Why viral parenting advice is often dangerously misleading • The difference between accountability and fear-based discipline • How harsh reactions can damage trust, safety, and connection • The hidden reasons behind “bullying” behaviour in kids • Why empathy - not punishment - is the key to real behaviour change • How parents can model the very behaviour they want to see QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “Big people don’t win by overpowering kids - we win by helping them understand.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • 21 Days to a Happier Family by Dr Justin Coulson • happyfamilies.com.au ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS • Pause before reacting - your response shapes the outcome • Get curious about the why behind your child’s behaviour • Lead with connection before correction • Help your child step into someone else’s shoes • Create safety so your child can open up - not shut down See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Happy Families Podcast. Oh my goodness.
[0:08] Speaker 1: Every now and again stuff hits the news that means
[0:11] Speaker 1: we have to do one of these. It's this week
[0:14] Speaker 1: in Parenting. I love doing that. It makes me so happy.
[0:21] Speaker 1: How are you looking at.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Me like that?
[0:24] Speaker 1: Even Sky News has covered this. So there's a TikTok
[0:28] Speaker 1: video that's gone viral where a little girl has been bullying, bullying,
[0:32] Speaker 1: certainly been unkind of kids at school. She's going to
[0:34] Speaker 1: be suspended. Dad has to go to the school and
[0:36] Speaker 1: pick her up. And well, we're going to tell you
[0:39] Speaker 1: what happened and why this went viral right after this.
[0:42] Speaker 1: Stay with us. Hello and welcome to the Happy Families Podcast,
[0:47] Speaker 1: where you get real parenting solutions every single day. This
[0:50] Speaker 1: is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We are Justin and
[0:52] Speaker 1: Kylie Coursen. The parents have six kids, and today we
[0:55] Speaker 1: have parenting solutions for you up the wazoo. That's what
[0:58] Speaker 1: my dad used to say. I don't know wazoo is,
[1:00] Speaker 1: and I got why you'd want to go up the wazoo.
[1:03] Speaker 1: But we've got solutions everywhere. Kylie, let me set the scene.
[1:07] Speaker 1: It's on TikTok can I just say this out loud,
[1:10] Speaker 1: Please don't try to get your parenting advice from random
[1:14] Speaker 1: people on social media, Like, if you want to be
[1:17] Speaker 1: a good parent, the last place you want to go
[1:20] Speaker 1: is TikTok listening to random's who are struggling with their
[1:23] Speaker 1: parenting and getting it so wrong. So anyway, now that
[1:26] Speaker 1: I've said that, oh my goodness, it drives me crazy.
[1:30] Speaker 1: All of our major news outlets in the last week
[1:32] Speaker 1: have reported on an American dad who was called into
[1:35] Speaker 1: the school because his daughter had been bullying, quote unquote bullying,
[1:39] Speaker 1: certainly being mean to kids in her school so much
[1:43] Speaker 1: so she was so mean that twice in one day
[1:46] Speaker 1: people put hands on her to hurt her because she
[1:49] Speaker 1: was being so unkind. This is messy at every level.
[1:52] Speaker 1: He goes into the school and the I guess it's
[1:56] Speaker 1: the school principle or somebody who's in charge, starts explaining
[1:58] Speaker 1: what's going on kids before.
[2:04] Speaker 2: So, yeah, it says two days but today, okay, yeah,
[2:11] Speaker 2: this semester she's given you ever seen that movie Mean
[2:14] Speaker 2: Girlshan Regina George That day, that's what she's acting like,
[2:19] Speaker 2: walking around bullying people, calling out their names.
[2:22] Speaker 3: Talking about their parents, talking about their clothes or smell,
[2:25] Speaker 3: just get anything to provoke these kids. So today uh
[2:32] Speaker 3: as a little Hispanic boy in hair class. She kept
[2:36] Speaker 3: getting in stay talking about so that's why Trump this
[2:39] Speaker 3: and something like that.
[2:40] Speaker 1: It's really interesting because at the start of the clip
[2:43] Speaker 1: you've got this kid saying, what are you doing here?
[2:45] Speaker 1: And I don't even know why you're here, which I'm
[2:48] Speaker 1: not sure he's honest.
[2:49] Speaker 3: Come on, it's okay, it don't matter.
[2:56] Speaker 2: Come on, let's go.
[2:58] Speaker 1: What did I even do? The dad interrupts the flow
[3:01] Speaker 1: of the video so that he can give his own commentary,
[3:03] Speaker 1: whoa whoa.
[3:04] Speaker 3: Whoa na na na. No. I know my child, and
[3:07] Speaker 3: I know up until this point you ain't said nothing.
[3:09] Speaker 3: That was a lie. I gotta do better. I'm trying
[3:11] Speaker 3: to train her up the right way.
[3:13] Speaker 1: This is kind of difficult.
[3:15] Speaker 3: We still figure it it out. But now, wouldn't it
[3:17] Speaker 3: hell my baby say about Trump to a Hispanic like,
[3:21] Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about that?
[3:23] Speaker 1: And then, to make a long story short, he takes
[3:26] Speaker 1: his daughter over to grandma's house because he doesn't know
[3:30] Speaker 1: what to do, and Grandma takes kiddo down to the
[3:32] Speaker 1: police station so that the police station can scare the
[3:36] Speaker 1: living heck out of this kid so that this child
[3:39] Speaker 1: will never put you again.
[3:41] Speaker 3: I know Kinsey walked in there, it turned around, looked
[3:43] Speaker 3: at me like, Daddy, you really gonna let her do
[3:45] Speaker 3: this to me? It is clearly I ain't doing enough.
[3:49] Speaker 1: Carly, there is so much here. Where do you want
[3:52] Speaker 1: to start?
[3:53] Speaker 4: I just want to say that, while I don't necessarily
[3:55] Speaker 4: agree with his methods, it is so refreshing to see
[3:59] Speaker 4: a parent who actually recognizes that their child is not perfect,
[4:04] Speaker 4: and they're actually willing to take responsibility for their role
[4:10] Speaker 4: in helping children to learn appropriate behavior.
[4:13] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to tell you right now that that is,
[4:17] Speaker 1: in my mind, the only positive in this entire thing.
[4:20] Speaker 4: I agree, but I just as we have dealt with
[4:25] Speaker 4: so many challenges over the years as our children have
[4:28] Speaker 4: navigated tricky relationships, I don't think I have ever met
[4:34] Speaker 4: a parent who's been willing to sit in an uncomfortable
[4:38] Speaker 4: place and acknowledge that their child may not have acted
[4:41] Speaker 4: in the best way.
[4:43] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So we call it using your are
[4:46] Speaker 1: or being in bed, So using your are ownership, accountability
[4:50] Speaker 1: and responsibility, being in bed blame, excuse and denial, and
[4:54] Speaker 1: the amount.
[4:54] Speaker 4: Of times I have heard someone say, well, what did
[4:57] Speaker 4: your child do to provoke?
[4:58] Speaker 1: Right, exactly, I can't. My child can't be fully responsible this.
[5:02] Speaker 4: So I understand that we're going to go on totally
[5:05] Speaker 4: different road, but I needed to say that because I
[5:07] Speaker 4: just feel like we just get so caught up in
[5:11] Speaker 4: wanting our children to be good people, and we think
[5:14] Speaker 4: that if they're not good people, then it is a
[5:17] Speaker 4: slight against us.
[5:18] Speaker 1: From that point on, everything is wrong. Yes, everything's wrong,
[5:23] Speaker 1: which is frustrating because the comments and the fact that
[5:26] Speaker 1: this is blown up is because the comments essentially are
[5:29] Speaker 1: everybody and their dog being on social media and on
[5:33] Speaker 1: the news site saying, God on this, dad, he nailed it.
[5:36] Speaker 1: We need more parents doing this. No, no, we don't.
[5:41] Speaker 1: And I know you're laughing and it's kind of funny,
[5:43] Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not. It's really bad. So where
[5:47] Speaker 1: do we start. Number One, this child is you've seen
[5:51] Speaker 1: the clip? How old directed the child is?
[5:52] Speaker 2: Eight? Nine?
[5:53] Speaker 4: Mine?
[5:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Yeah, That's where I'm going. I
[5:57] Speaker 1: don't think I don't think she's any older than that,
[5:59] Speaker 1: But eight or nine? Can kids be mean and even bully?
[6:02] Speaker 1: One hundred percent? Yes? Should we take responsibility as parents
[6:06] Speaker 1: to teach our children the right thing to do. One
[6:08] Speaker 1: hundred percent yes. But now because of this approach, this
[6:14] Speaker 1: nine year old is scared of grandma because grandma is
[6:17] Speaker 1: giving dirty looks and then saying you can't do that,
[6:20] Speaker 1: and I'm taking you to the police. So how likely
[6:22] Speaker 1: is it that this kid is going to grow up
[6:24] Speaker 1: and be like, oh, I'm struggling with something, I should
[6:25] Speaker 1: go and talk to my grandma about this. Kiddo is
[6:28] Speaker 1: now scared of police, even though the police were being nice.
[6:32] Speaker 1: Grandma's getting mad at the police for not being mean enough.
[6:43] Speaker 1: And what we've also got here is I think that
[6:47] Speaker 1: this child's going to be scared of dad because that
[6:49] Speaker 1: is not being nice. Dad is not working things out.
[6:51] Speaker 1: Dad's just saying we're going to go and talk to
[6:52] Speaker 1: grandma and then we're going to have a police station.
[6:54] Speaker 1: So even Dad's not willing to work with the child
[6:57] Speaker 1: on the problem. And there are definitely are problems here
[6:59] Speaker 1: that need to be worked on. Oh and I don't
[7:01] Speaker 1: have a problem with parents asking for help, but I
[7:03] Speaker 1: feel like this dad is just abrogating his responsibility. Maybe
[7:06] Speaker 1: I'm being a little bit harsh, but seriously, like man up,
[7:11] Speaker 1: be the dad, be the parent.
[7:14] Speaker 4: I know, I'm laughing because it's just it's a little
[7:16] Speaker 4: bit comical how social media has the power to just
[7:21] Speaker 4: get under our blow things up, yes, and blow things
[7:25] Speaker 4: out of proportion. However, there is a story that you
[7:28] Speaker 4: have told over the years that highlights this situation in
[7:34] Speaker 4: such a powerful way. It was about a young boy
[7:38] Speaker 4: who brought peanuts to school one day, right and threw
[7:43] Speaker 4: them in front of the face of a child who
[7:45] Speaker 4: was anaphylactic and said, I'm.
[7:47] Speaker 1: Going to kill you with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. True
[7:49] Speaker 1: story happened on the New South Wales central coast, probably
[7:51] Speaker 1: about I was right at the very start of when
[7:54] Speaker 1: I was doing the parenting stuff, so it would have
[7:56] Speaker 1: been nearly twenty years ago.
[7:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[7:58] Speaker 4: And I love the advice that you gave to that
[8:01] Speaker 4: mum that day. Would you like to share?
[8:03] Speaker 1: I can't remember what I said. I remember the story.
[8:05] Speaker 4: Are you serious?
[8:07] Speaker 1: You can remember the advice? Obviously it's probably in harmony
[8:09] Speaker 1: with the advice. I'm then had given a second what
[8:11] Speaker 1: is the parenting solution that I gave?
[8:14] Speaker 4: Well, the parent was wrong. The school explained to her
[8:16] Speaker 4: what had happened, and she needed to come to collect
[8:18] Speaker 4: her child, and she gave you a phone call before
[8:22] Speaker 4: she even got there. She said, this is what's happened.
[8:25] Speaker 4: What am I supposed to do? And you asked her
[8:29] Speaker 4: what she wanted to do?
[8:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was I want to put him
[8:31] Speaker 1: through the wall or something like that.
[8:33] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[8:34] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[8:34] Speaker 4: And she then asked you, but what am I supposed
[8:37] Speaker 4: to do? And your response was just one of absolute
[8:42] Speaker 4: love and acknowledgment that this little boy, in spite of
[8:46] Speaker 4: what he had done, was struggling for whatever reason, in
[8:51] Speaker 4: whatever space, there was something going on for him that
[8:54] Speaker 4: was making him act in such a poor way. He
[8:58] Speaker 4: knew that he'd done the wrong thing. He already knew
[9:00] Speaker 4: that he didn't need her to come in heavy handed.
[9:03] Speaker 4: He didn't need her to make him feel any worse.
[9:07] Speaker 4: He already felt worse, And the idea that she could
[9:10] Speaker 4: be a soft place for him to come so that
[9:13] Speaker 4: they could actually have connection and the potential for her
[9:20] Speaker 4: to utilize that time to teach him better ways to
[9:24] Speaker 4: act only comes through being soft, not coming down hard.
[9:31] Speaker 1: Okay, so some people will hear what you're saying and think, oh,
[9:33] Speaker 1: here we go. Namby pamby Cotton Wooll Bubble app gentle parenting.
[9:37] Speaker 4: It's not what this is.
[9:39] Speaker 1: After the break, I have another story that I think
[9:41] Speaker 1: is even more powerful and more pertinent that will illustrate
[9:45] Speaker 1: not just what not to do, but also precisely what
[9:49] Speaker 1: needs to happen in this kind of situation. I can't
[9:53] Speaker 1: wait to share it to stay Next we're back. This
[10:02] Speaker 1: is the Happy Family's podcast. If you're enjoying the pod,
[10:04] Speaker 1: police share it with your friends, your neighbors, other parents,
[10:06] Speaker 1: anyone that you think would benefit from the stuff that
[10:09] Speaker 1: we share to make families happier. Okay, we've got a
[10:11] Speaker 1: situation where there's been some bullying, some unkindness. There's a
[10:14] Speaker 1: child who needs to learn how to be civil, courteous,
[10:17] Speaker 1: considerate of others. And the solution that the dad comes
[10:21] Speaker 1: up with is go to grandma and then get grandma
[10:23] Speaker 1: to take child to the police, so the police and
[10:24] Speaker 1: grandma cant scare the heck out of the child so
[10:26] Speaker 1: they'll never do the wrong thing again. Research shows this
[10:29] Speaker 1: doesn't work. There's a story that I shared in one
[10:31] Speaker 1: of my books, twenty one Days to a Happier Family,
[10:33] Speaker 1: about ten years ago, fifteen years ago, and I wrote
[10:36] Speaker 1: that book that has always stayed with me, and that
[10:38] Speaker 1: I think is perfectly pertinent for this scenario. A young
[10:42] Speaker 1: girl was in trouble at school. She was in her
[10:45] Speaker 1: I think grade nine, grade ten, so I think she
[10:47] Speaker 1: was about fifteen. She created an explicit website featuring one
[10:52] Speaker 1: of her classmates with a whole lot of photo shop
[10:56] Speaker 1: and superimposed faces on explicit images of other people and
[11:01] Speaker 1: their bodies, and shared the website with a whole lot
[11:04] Speaker 1: of people and really just tried to hurt, cause genuine
[11:08] Speaker 1: harm to the reputation of this girl that she didn't
[11:12] Speaker 1: like in her class. Horrible stuff. Anyway, the school found
[11:16] Speaker 1: out about it, mum gets called in. The great irony
[11:19] Speaker 1: is that the mum in this instance was working in
[11:22] Speaker 1: the laboratory of a university professor who studied cyberbullying, and
[11:26] Speaker 1: now her fifteen year old daughter has been called into
[11:28] Speaker 1: the office for doing some absolutely breathtakingly horrendous cyberbullying, some
[11:33] Speaker 1: of the worst stuff that you could probably imagine. And
[11:36] Speaker 1: the moment is just freaking out. She's like, how could
[11:38] Speaker 1: you do this? What is going on? Why where did
[11:41] Speaker 1: this come from? And she basically had this massive fight
[11:44] Speaker 1: with her daughter that lasted for day after day after day.
[11:47] Speaker 1: She confiscated screens, confiscated computers, threatened to get the police involved.
[11:52] Speaker 1: The other family were threatening that as well. I mean,
[11:54] Speaker 1: this thing just blew up. And all that happened is
[11:56] Speaker 1: that her daughter got worse and worse, started taking rug's grades,
[12:01] Speaker 1: went down even further, started wagging school like this. This
[12:04] Speaker 1: thing just blew up. It got to the point where
[12:06] Speaker 1: this mum took the door off her daughter's bedroom so
[12:09] Speaker 1: that she could monitor her and so that she could
[12:12] Speaker 1: really prove that she meant what she said when she
[12:14] Speaker 1: said this girl was in trouble. Anyway, time passes and
[12:18] Speaker 1: they eventually get back onto talking terms. We're talking weeks
[12:21] Speaker 1: down the track, six eight weeks, and then mum has
[12:25] Speaker 1: this brain wave. She's like me doing the tough stuff
[12:29] Speaker 1: isn't working, has a conversation with her daughter and ends
[12:33] Speaker 1: up buying her a puppy. So fast forward another couple
[12:36] Speaker 1: of months and they're out on a walk one afternoon
[12:38] Speaker 1: walking the puppy. The relationship has healed a little bit more,
[12:42] Speaker 1: and while they're chatting about life, they walked past some
[12:47] Speaker 1: boys not far away in the park who are throwing
[12:49] Speaker 1: stones at a bird in its nest up in a tree,
[12:54] Speaker 1: and the mom's just saying, like, what are they doing?
[12:56] Speaker 1: And the girl's getting really upset, And then the mum
[12:58] Speaker 1: has this flash of inspiration and she says, see how
[13:02] Speaker 1: those boys are throwing the rocks at the bird in
[13:07] Speaker 1: the tree and at the nest, and you're getting really
[13:10] Speaker 1: upset about it. Well, in the same way, the other
[13:15] Speaker 1: parents of that girl that you were in trouble for
[13:18] Speaker 1: at school, they were that's how they felt. They felt
[13:22] Speaker 1: like you were throwing stones at their daughter and a
[13:24] Speaker 1: naest up high in the branches of a tree. And
[13:27] Speaker 1: this mum described how when she had that conversation with
[13:30] Speaker 1: her daughter, there was all of a sudden, this massive
[13:32] Speaker 1: empathy influx, and this girl suddenly realized, Oh, I get it.
[13:37] Speaker 1: I was causing I was causing real harm, Like this
[13:41] Speaker 1: could have been really, really bad. She said it was
[13:43] Speaker 1: the first time, the first time that she'd cracked it.
[13:46] Speaker 1: But then as they started to talk more, a very
[13:49] Speaker 1: important detail that I haven't shared yet came out. As
[13:52] Speaker 1: they talked about what was going on and the reasons
[13:55] Speaker 1: for this girl's behavior, turns out that about a year
[13:58] Speaker 1: before it all blew up, this lady had lost her husband.
[14:02] Speaker 1: This girl had lost her dad. He passed away unexpectedly
[14:05] Speaker 1: and the family was in turmoil, and as a result,
[14:08] Speaker 1: mama had to go back to work. That's why she
[14:10] Speaker 1: was working in that university professor's lab studying cyberbuilding. That's
[14:13] Speaker 1: why she wasn't available to her daughter. That's why her
[14:15] Speaker 1: daughter was so upset. Doesn't excuse the behavior, but it
[14:18] Speaker 1: helps to understand why this girl was just reeling. She
[14:21] Speaker 1: didn't have the support that she needed, and unfortunately, like
[14:23] Speaker 1: too many people, because she was hurt, she decided to
[14:26] Speaker 1: lash out in an unproductive and unhelpful way. The solution
[14:31] Speaker 1: is not fear. The solution is not tyranny. The solution
[14:35] Speaker 1: is not anger.
[14:36] Speaker 4: Well, she would never have had that conversation if she
[14:39] Speaker 4: had a continued with the same line approach that she
[14:42] Speaker 4: had in the beginning. So as you said, it's why
[14:45] Speaker 4: it's taken so.
[14:46] Speaker 1: Long, that's right. And as you said, when we kind
[14:48] Speaker 1: of deviated off the script a little bit with the
[14:49] Speaker 1: story that you shared that I couldn't really remember. In
[14:52] Speaker 1: the first part of the podcast, you said, we need softness,
[14:57] Speaker 1: and it's not softness because we're going to let the
[14:59] Speaker 1: kids get away with everything, nor are we going to
[15:01] Speaker 1: pander to their poor little feelings. It's not that kind
[15:04] Speaker 1: of gentle parenting softness. It's softness as in, I'm going
[15:09] Speaker 1: to create a level of safety here where you and
[15:12] Speaker 1: I can problem solve. And the best problem solving in
[15:16] Speaker 1: an incident like this is problem solving through empathy. We
[15:21] Speaker 1: want our child to be able to take the perspective
[15:24] Speaker 1: of the victim, of the person who's being bullied in
[15:29] Speaker 1: this case, of the Hispanic kid who's now being threatened
[15:32] Speaker 1: because Trump's going to send the Ice agents in and
[15:35] Speaker 1: deport you.
[15:37] Speaker 2: Right.
[15:37] Speaker 1: So, if we can have empathy, if we can help
[15:40] Speaker 1: our children to experience empathy, to take the perspective of
[15:43] Speaker 1: another person, to stand in their shoes, we can have
[15:47] Speaker 1: much more productive conversations around solving the problem of unkindness, cruelty, bullying.
[15:54] Speaker 4: But that only happens when we are able to step
[15:57] Speaker 4: into the shoes of empathy ourselves.
[16:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, and see how our child is feeling and engage
[16:03] Speaker 1: with them at that level.
[16:05] Speaker 4: Like, that's the step that parents miss so often because
[16:09] Speaker 4: our natural response is to crack down, get hard, be harsh. Ye,
[16:14] Speaker 4: And yet if we would take the opposite approach, we
[16:18] Speaker 4: actually get to show our kids in real time, what
[16:22] Speaker 4: it looks like to take someone else's perspective in that moment.
[16:26] Speaker 1: Here's my prorocative take that dad, that grandparent. They became
[16:31] Speaker 1: bullies to that little girl.
[16:33] Speaker 4: Yeah, the big person wins.
[16:35] Speaker 1: They just repeated the process exactly exactly. They didn't help her,
[16:39] Speaker 1: they didn't teach her. We need to wrap this up.
[16:41] Speaker 1: Our time is well and truly done. Let me say
[16:44] Speaker 1: this really clearly. Don't get your parenting advice from social media.
[16:48] Speaker 1: And if you are getting it from social media, make
[16:50] Speaker 1: sure it's from people who are credible and who have
[16:52] Speaker 1: actually got solutions and something to share with you that works.
[16:56] Speaker 1: Because this sort of stuff making it into our mainstream
[16:59] Speaker 1: media and turning into part of the parenting discourse, the
[17:03] Speaker 1: narrative that's in our community, it's going to damage kids,
[17:06] Speaker 1: it's going to damage families, and it's going to lead
[17:08] Speaker 1: to negative outcomes, not positive outcomes. Hopefully, the stuff that
[17:11] Speaker 1: we've shared just now provides some more hopeful and helpful
[17:15] Speaker 1: ways forward if you and your family are struggling with
[17:17] Speaker 1: these kinds of challenges. The Happy Families podcast is produced
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