# Lessons From Lion's Star Lachie Neale

An episode of [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1082244480), 24 Sep 2026, 18 min.

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What happens when your child knows they did the wrong thing but immediately reaches for an excuse? The Lachie Neale tribunal story gives parents a surprisingly useful way into a bigger conversation about responsibility, consequences and healthy masculinity. Justin and Kylie unpack what happens when kids blame others, deny what happened or expect an exception because the circumstances feel unfair. They also explore the difference between standing up for someone and getting even, why anger can lead to poor choices, and how parents can support their kids through consequences without rescuing them from the discomfort. KEY POINTS • Helping kids move from blame, excuse and denial to ownership, accountability and responsibility • Why rules need to apply even when someone is talented, popular or important • The difference between loyalty and retaliation • Why parents often want to rescue kids from consequences • How to support your child without taking responsibility for their choices • What healthy masculinity looks like when things go wrong • Why the way someone responds after a mistake tells us a lot about them QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “I'm not here to rescue you. I care, but I can't carry you.” RESOURCES MENTIONED • The OAR framework: Ownership, Accountability and Responsibility ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS Ask your kids: • What would you do if you saw a friend getting shoved? • Should the best player get different rules? • What's the difference between sticking up for someone and getting even? When your child makes a mistake, resist the urge to fix the consequence. Help them own what happened, understand the impact and work out what they can do differently next time. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: The news just coming through is that Lockie Neal's tribunal
[0:09] Speaker 1: has broken and the one week ban has been upheld.
[0:13] Speaker 1: As we speak, Lockie Neal. Hello, this is Dr. Justin Coulson.
[0:17] Speaker 1: Just before we press play on today's episode, a quick
[0:20] Speaker 1: heads up. You're going to hear us talking about Lockie
[0:23] Speaker 1: Neal not being allowed to play in the grand final.
[0:25] Speaker 2: Why?
[0:26] Speaker 1: Because when we recorded this episode, the tribunal had just
[0:29] Speaker 1: decided that he was not going to be allowed to
[0:31] Speaker 1: play in the grand final. As it turns out, there
[0:34] Speaker 1: was an appeal and now he is playing. But that
[0:37] Speaker 1: appeal came through late Thursday afternoon. when we thought, there's
[0:40] Speaker 1: no way he's in. You might be wondering what this
[0:43] Speaker 1: has got to do with parenting and the Happy Families podcast. Well,
[0:46] Speaker 1: stay listening, find out more in just a sec. But
[0:48] Speaker 1: if you're wondering why the pod sounds like it's not
[0:50] Speaker 1: quite right, that will be why. Anyway, I've got to
[0:53] Speaker 1: get out of this person's driveway and walk my dog.
[0:56] Speaker 1: So enjoy the pod, and we can't wait to talk
[0:59] Speaker 1: to you again on Monday. Hello, this is the Happy
[1:06] Speaker 1: Families podcast. Today on the pod, something very topical that, well,
[1:10] Speaker 1: you don't even have to like AFL to know that
[1:13] Speaker 1: Lockie Neal doesn't look like he's going to play in
[1:16] Speaker 1: the grand final for the Brisbane Lions as they chase
[1:18] Speaker 1: their third consecutive title. Hang on a sec.
[1:20] Speaker 3: Who's Lockie Neal?
[1:22] Speaker 1: Lockie Neal is one of the players of his generation.
[1:27] Speaker 1: Literally one of the greatest players.
[1:28] Speaker 3: Well, in case you're wondering, I don't follow AFL and
[1:31] Speaker 3: I don't know who he is.
[1:32] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:32] Speaker 1: So today on the podcast, we're going to talk about
[1:34] Speaker 1: who he is, what he did, and why we need
[1:37] Speaker 1: to talk about it. Because I think if your kids
[1:39] Speaker 1: know anything about AFL, they are talking about it. And
[1:42] Speaker 1: this is a conversation, Bain, that is rich for mining
[1:47] Speaker 1: and can help us to teach our kids, especially our sons,
[1:51] Speaker 1: about healthy masculinity, about responsibility, and about making the right choices.
[1:56] Speaker 1: Stay with us. Hello, welcome to the Happy Families podcast,
[2:02] Speaker 1: where you get real parenting solutions every single day. This
[2:05] Speaker 1: is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast, where Justin and Kylie Coulson,
[2:08] Speaker 1: the parents of six daughters, and we don't normally care
[2:11] Speaker 1: about the AFL. Fair call?
[2:13] Speaker 3: Well, I didn't even know you followed AFL.
[2:15] Speaker 1: I don't really, but once we get to final season,
[2:18] Speaker 1: I do notice some stuff. Last week, we were in Melbourne.
[2:21] Speaker 1: We went down for the John Farnham tribute concert. I
[2:24] Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it was called, but That was
[2:25] Speaker 1: a fun night. But did you notice that when we
[2:28] Speaker 1: left the hotel, there were some people walking past us
[2:30] Speaker 1: wearing Hawthorne Hawks scarves and I gave them a hard
[2:35] Speaker 1: time and told them the Lions would win?
[2:37] Speaker 3: I did not notice.
[2:37] Speaker 1: You didn't even notice.
[2:38] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:39] Speaker 1: So I followed enough to know a little bit about
[2:41] Speaker 1: what's going on. But there is massive news this week.
[2:45] Speaker 2: They're the September specialist of this century. Brisbane again making
[2:48] Speaker 2: the trip to Melbourne in grand final week. As it
[2:50] Speaker 2: stands now, Lockie Neal will miss Saturday's grand final. The tribunal,
[2:54] Speaker 2: after an epic four and a half hour hearing, failing
[2:57] Speaker 2: to overturn his one match ban for the gut punch
[2:59] Speaker 2: to Jack Gidevan.
[3:01] Speaker 3: If I was curious, I'd ask you what the facts are.
[3:03] Speaker 3: I'm really not curious, and I don't actually understand why
[3:06] Speaker 3: we're talking about this today, but I'm going to go
[3:08] Speaker 3: with it.
[3:08] Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you why we're talking about it in
[3:10] Speaker 1: a sec, but let's just establish the facts. You've just
[3:12] Speaker 1: heard the grab from the news. Basically, Lockie Neal has
[3:17] Speaker 1: struck an opponent, a Hawks player, in the belly in
[3:21] Speaker 1: the preliminary final. You're not allowed to do that. That
[3:24] Speaker 1: is known as a medium impact strike. It used to
[3:27] Speaker 1: be known as a low impact strike and you'd get
[3:29] Speaker 1: a fine for it. And he's been fined for doing
[3:31] Speaker 1: this three previous times in his 320 games.
[3:34] Speaker 3: So he's a repeat offender?
[3:36] Speaker 1: Well, yeah. He's done it three times previously, 320 games.
[3:38] Speaker 3: So did they change the rules because of him?
[3:41] Speaker 1: No, they didn't.
[3:43] Speaker 3: It sounds like they might have changed the rules because
[3:45] Speaker 3: of him.
[3:45] Speaker 1: But now it's become a medium-impact strike, and therefore, instead
[3:48] Speaker 1: of getting a fine, you do get suspended for one
[3:51] Speaker 1: game for doing it. So he's done this when he's
[3:54] Speaker 1: miles off the ball– He's appealed at the tribunal. That
[3:58] Speaker 1: happened on Tuesday night.
[4:01] Speaker 3: What did he appeal?
[4:02] Speaker 1: Well, he said, you're treating me unfairly and it wasn't
[4:04] Speaker 1: really a medium strike and it was this and it
[4:06] Speaker 1: was that. And apart from that, I've been a really
[4:08] Speaker 1: good boy. I've played 320 games and won two Brown
[4:11] Speaker 1: Lows and I'm a really good boy. So therefore, you
[4:13] Speaker 1: need to let me off because it's the grand final
[4:16] Speaker 1: on Sunday. You need to let me off on Saturday.
[4:18] Speaker 2: Wow.
[4:18] Speaker 3: Did he know it was the grand final the following
[4:20] Speaker 3: week after?
[4:21] Speaker 1: No, he knew.
[4:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[4:23] Speaker 1: Yeah. So- So that's kind of also almost answering the
[4:26] Speaker 1: question as to why we need to talk about it
[4:28] Speaker 1: because our kids do this as well, right? Like they
[4:31] Speaker 1: do the wrong thing. They know what the rules are.
[4:33] Speaker 1: They do the wrong thing anyway, thinking no one's going
[4:35] Speaker 1: to catch them. Then they get caught. Then they argue
[4:40] Speaker 1: that we don't know what we're talking about or we
[4:41] Speaker 1: should change the rules or there's some exceptional circumstances which
[4:45] Speaker 1: mean that they shouldn't have to be held responsible for
[4:48] Speaker 1: their actions. And that is what our kids do all
[4:53] Speaker 1: the time. So that's why I wanted to talk about it.
[4:55] Speaker 1: I just think there's a pattern here, right? He told
[4:58] Speaker 1: the tribunal that his three prior striking charges were all retaliation.
[5:04] Speaker 1: This was the fourth one. He's just such a highly
[5:07] Speaker 1: decorated player. And I think this really matters, right? Because
[5:11] Speaker 1: the rules are the rules, regardless of who you are.
[5:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, but the problem is society.
[5:15] Speaker 1: makes exceptions for greatness.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[5:18] Speaker 3: And they actually reward people for bad behavior because of
[5:22] Speaker 3: their name or because of their standing. I don't understand
[5:25] Speaker 3: why this is even a big story. He did the
[5:28] Speaker 3: wrong thing. A call has been made. And regardless of
[5:31] Speaker 3: whether that impacts other people, that's actually on him. It's
[5:34] Speaker 3: not on the tribunal. It's not on his fans. That's
[5:37] Speaker 3: totally on him.
[5:38] Speaker 1: I think that if you have a rule, but you're
[5:40] Speaker 1: going to suspend the rule for your best people, then
[5:42] Speaker 1: the rule is not actually a rule.
[5:43] Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
[5:45] Speaker 1: But for me, one of the biggest points is he's arguing, oh,
[5:49] Speaker 1: it's the grand final. It's the grand final.
[5:51] Speaker 3: Yeah, but he knew that.
[5:51] Speaker 1: And therefore, I should get an exemption.
[5:53] Speaker 3: So he should have been on his best behavior.
[5:54] Speaker 1: Totally agree. Totally agree. The consequence for the act is
[5:59] Speaker 1: the consequence for the act, regardless of whether it's a
[6:00] Speaker 1: regular round game or whether it's a grand final game.
[6:02] Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. Lockie Neal is saying this was
[6:05] Speaker 1: a bump. He's suggesting that his opponent dived onto the
[6:08] Speaker 1: ground to make it worse than it actually was. The
[6:11] Speaker 1: tribunals watched the tape.
[6:12] Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like he's taking someone else's perspective very well,
[6:15] Speaker 3: does it?
[6:15] Speaker 1: No, no, it doesn't. But that's my point, right? Like
[6:19] Speaker 1: you're in the car and you hear the kids go,
[6:20] Speaker 1: I barely touched him.
[6:22] Speaker 3: So I don't really want to talk about Lockie Neal.
[6:24] Speaker 1: I've gathered.
[6:27] Speaker 3: But I would like to know how we can help
[6:30] Speaker 3: parents utilize this particular story to as a beautiful teaching
[6:34] Speaker 3: moment with their kids. What do we talk about with
[6:37] Speaker 3: our kids?
[6:37] Speaker 1: How do we help kids take responsibility for their actions?
[6:40] Speaker 1: We talk all the time on this podcast about kids
[6:43] Speaker 1: being in bed, blame, excuse, and denial. And guess what?
[6:46] Speaker 1: That's exactly where, I know you don't want to talk
[6:47] Speaker 1: about it, but that's exactly where Lockie Neal has been
[6:49] Speaker 1: all week. He's been in blame, excuse, and denial. And
[6:52] Speaker 1: what we are always talking about is instead of being
[6:55] Speaker 1: in bed, let's use our OR, O-A-R, ownership, accountability, and responsibility.
[7:00] Speaker 1: And this guy doesn't know how to do that. So
[7:04] Speaker 1: after the break, we're going to talk about why Parenting
[7:06] Speaker 1: Podcast is talking about football. Because what Lockie Neal did
[7:10] Speaker 1: on Saturday night last week, or was it Sunday night?
[7:12] Speaker 1: I can't remember which day it was. I'm saying Saturday.
[7:14] Speaker 1: It might have been Sunday. Regardless, last week. Is what
[7:18] Speaker 1: your son did in the backyard last week or what
[7:21] Speaker 1: your daughter did in the group chat. And we need
[7:23] Speaker 1: to talk about getting out of bed and using oars
[7:26] Speaker 1: and and having the conversations with our kids that matter
[7:29] Speaker 1: because it's precisely what hasn't happened in the national media
[7:32] Speaker 1: this week. Stay with us. We're back. This is the
[7:42] Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast.
[7:44] Speaker 3: I find this whole conversation quite curious. You talk about
[7:48] Speaker 3: the idea of healthy masculinity and the fact that A
[7:53] Speaker 3: healthy man makes the people around him feel safer and stronger.
[7:56] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[7:57] Speaker 3: If you've got someone who's unwilling to take responsibility or
[8:01] Speaker 3: accountability for their actions, that leaves anybody in that space
[8:07] Speaker 3: feeling particularly vulnerable.
[8:10] Speaker 1: I'm so tempted to take this off the field and
[8:12] Speaker 1: into his very public family breakup, but I'm not going
[8:15] Speaker 1: to do that. I want to stay on the topic.
[8:17] Speaker 1: But yeah, go on. Go on. Sorry.
[8:19] Speaker 3: Because there's volatility there.
[8:21] Speaker 1: That whole definition that I talk about all the time,
[8:23] Speaker 1: healthy men help the people around them feel safer and stronger.
[8:26] Speaker 1: In this context, he's on the sporting field and he's
[8:28] Speaker 1: just seen one of his teammates get roughed up a
[8:30] Speaker 1: bit by an opposition player. And so what he's actually
[8:33] Speaker 1: done is he's gone in to protect his teammate or
[8:36] Speaker 1: he's gone in to make the opponent pay with some retribution, right?
[8:40] Speaker 3: Yeah, it's revenge.
[8:42] Speaker 1: Well- It's revenge.
[8:43] Speaker 3: It's revenge.
[8:44] Speaker 1: I would say it differently. I would say that in
[8:47] Speaker 1: the boy code man box orientation, this is loyalty that's
[8:51] Speaker 1: pointed the wrong way. What do I mean by that?
[8:54] Speaker 3: You hurt my friend, I'll hurt you.
[8:56] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[8:56] Speaker 1: In his mind, he's not being a thug. In his mind,
[8:59] Speaker 1: he sees a teammate who's copying it and the man box,
[9:03] Speaker 1: the boy code, whatever you want to call it, says,
[9:06] Speaker 1: This needs to be answered back.
[9:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, but since when did anyone ever believe that two
[9:10] Speaker 3: wrongs make a right?
[9:11] Speaker 2: Yes.
[9:13] Speaker 3: Someone does the wrong thing, so I'm going to do
[9:15] Speaker 3: the wrong thing back to prove the point that they
[9:17] Speaker 3: did the wrong thing. We do this as parents all
[9:19] Speaker 3: the time, right? We get angry at our children because
[9:22] Speaker 3: they're yelling, but we're yelling at them to tell them
[9:24] Speaker 3: to stop yelling. It's the same kind of mindset. If
[9:28] Speaker 3: we want somebody to act differently, then we actually have
[9:32] Speaker 3: to show them a better way to act.
[9:34] Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's an AFL player, Scott Pendlebury. He plays
[9:38] Speaker 1: for Collingwood. And in 2024, he struck Lockie Neal. How's
[9:45] Speaker 1: this for poetic? He whacks Lockie Neal and then he
[9:50] Speaker 1: cops the fine because at that time it wasn't suspendable.
[9:53] Speaker 1: It was only a finable offense. And he said this,
[9:56] Speaker 1: he said, I need to deal with this. I did
[9:59] Speaker 1: the wrong thing. And he quoted his mum, the retaliator
[10:02] Speaker 1: always gets caught. So we're talking about literally almost exactly
[10:07] Speaker 1: the same crime, if you will, the same action. But
[10:12] Speaker 1: you've got Pendlebury who's saying, retaliator always gets caught. My
[10:15] Speaker 1: mom taught me that and I just shouldn't have done it.
[10:17] Speaker 1: Or you've got Lockie Neal who's saying, oh yeah, but
[10:19] Speaker 1: he deserved it. He hit my teammate first. I didn't
[10:22] Speaker 1: hit him that hard. He was acting, which just, it
[10:26] Speaker 1: ticks me off. It really upsets me. And this is
[10:29] Speaker 1: a conversation that we can have with our children about
[10:31] Speaker 1: getting out of bed and using their all. Okay.
[10:34] Speaker 3: Well, I'm giving everyone an insight to the background behind
[10:37] Speaker 3: the scenes of what's going on. But in our show notes,
[10:40] Speaker 3: you've written that Something about his father, and I didn't
[10:43] Speaker 3: actually ask you what any of that meant.
[10:45] Speaker 1: You're saying that I haven't set you up to ask
[10:47] Speaker 1: the right question here. I'm so sorry. All right. His
[10:51] Speaker 1: father's name is Robbie, Robbie Neal.
[10:53] Speaker 3: Should I know who Robbie Neal is?
[10:55] Speaker 1: Well, it's Lockie Neal's father. He says his son's punishment
[10:59] Speaker 1: is just plain wrong. He's just come out and said, no,
[11:04] Speaker 1: they've done the wrong thing. And I think the reason
[11:07] Speaker 1: that I wanted to raise that is if you– saw
[11:11] Speaker 1: your son missing out on the grand final because of
[11:13] Speaker 1: this act. What's your first instinct, right? When your child
[11:18] Speaker 1: faces a consequence, what is your first instinct as a parent?
[11:23] Speaker 1: I speak to school principals and wellbeing officers and heads
[11:27] Speaker 1: of school and heads of house and that kind of
[11:29] Speaker 1: thing in schools on a daily basis. And they consistently
[11:32] Speaker 1: tell me that when there is a consequence for a child,
[11:36] Speaker 1: the parents do exactly what Robbie Neal has done, and said, well,
[11:40] Speaker 1: the punishment's wrong. They haven't understood what's going on. They've
[11:43] Speaker 1: got it wrong. And I just think that this is
[11:47] Speaker 1: poor parenting. I think Robbie Neal should actually be allowing
[11:52] Speaker 1: the rules to be the rules. What's our first instinct
[11:55] Speaker 1: as parents? Is it to fight or to just be
[11:59] Speaker 1: supportive and help our kids to carry the consequences, the
[12:03] Speaker 1: repercussions of their actions?
[12:06] Speaker 3: I think that there's two things going on here for parents,
[12:09] Speaker 3: generally speaking. I think the first one is we actually
[12:13] Speaker 3: feel like people will attribute our children's bad decisions to
[12:17] Speaker 3: our poor parenting. And there is this need to kind
[12:22] Speaker 3: of protect ourselves because if our children are wrong, then
[12:25] Speaker 3: at some point we've clearly not done a good job
[12:28] Speaker 3: as a parent. I think that that plays a part often.
[12:31] Speaker 3: And especially in this situation where it's so public. But secondly,
[12:36] Speaker 3: I think that as a parent in general, it's really
[12:40] Speaker 3: hard to watch your kids suffer.
[12:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it is.
[12:42] Speaker 3: It's really hard to watch them suffer. And everything feels
[12:46] Speaker 3: unfair when you've got no control over the outcome.
[12:50] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[12:50] Speaker 3: And so I guess coming from a place of compassion,
[12:53] Speaker 3: it's easy to see how parents fall into, I'm going
[12:56] Speaker 3: to say trap, fall into the trap of wanting to
[12:59] Speaker 3: rescue their children from really challenging situations. often that they've
[13:04] Speaker 3: put themselves into. But nevertheless, it's hard. It's hard watching
[13:09] Speaker 3: them do that. And we think that a good parent
[13:12] Speaker 3: will rescue their child. That's what we actually think a
[13:17] Speaker 3: good parent needs to do. But we actually need to
[13:21] Speaker 3: just be willing to sit in that place of uncomfortability
[13:24] Speaker 3: with them, whatever that looks like. And it might feel
[13:28] Speaker 3: unfair and it might feel unkind and it might feel
[13:30] Speaker 3: all those awful ugly things. But at the end of
[13:34] Speaker 3: the day, this is the decision that's been made. And
[13:37] Speaker 3: I'll sit here with you as long as you need to. Yes.
[13:40] Speaker 3: But I'm not here to rescue you.
[13:42] Speaker 1: Yeah. I care, but I can't carry you. Yeah. Yeah.
[13:45] Speaker 1: And this guy's a grown man. He knew the rules,
[13:47] Speaker 1: like you said. There are a couple of points that
[13:49] Speaker 1: I want to wrap up with, Kylie. Our time is
[13:51] Speaker 1: well and truly gone. If you're a Lions fan, or
[13:53] Speaker 1: if your kids are Lions fans, I should say, they're
[13:56] Speaker 1: going to be pretty heartbroken if Lockie Neal can't play
[13:58] Speaker 1: in the grand final. And it may end up costing
[14:00] Speaker 1: them the grand final as well, because he's such an
[14:02] Speaker 1: important player for them. But I reckon a lot of
[14:05] Speaker 1: people are going to be furious at the tribunal and
[14:07] Speaker 1: not at Neil. They're going to be really upset in
[14:10] Speaker 1: that direction. I don't know that we need to make
[14:13] Speaker 1: an argument one way or the other right now, but
[14:15] Speaker 1: it's a really fascinating conversation with the kids. Who's at
[14:18] Speaker 1: fault here, Lockie Neil or the tribunal? Have an honest
[14:21] Speaker 1: conversation about it. Lockie Neil's the one that broke the rules.
[14:24] Speaker 1: The tribunal's the one that upheld the rules.
[14:26] Speaker 3: And what does it mean to be a part of
[14:28] Speaker 3: a team? Yes.
[14:30] Speaker 1: This is actually bigger. The tribunal hasn't ruined the lion's
[14:34] Speaker 1: grand final hopes. Lockie Neal has ruined the grand final hopes.
[14:37] Speaker 1: And he's let the team down because of a selfish
[14:39] Speaker 1: act that he thought was a selfless act because he
[14:42] Speaker 1: was supporting his teammate, right?
[14:44] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[14:45] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[14:45] Speaker 1: I love this.
[14:46] Speaker 3: If our actions are motivated by anger, we're never going
[14:50] Speaker 3: to make good choices.
[14:51] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[14:51] Speaker 1: Anger costs. My mom used to say that to me
[14:52] Speaker 1: all the time as I keep growing up. Anger costs.
[14:55] Speaker 1: I just think You want to know something about somebody,
[14:58] Speaker 1: watch what happens in terms of the way that they
[15:00] Speaker 1: react after their mistakes. And at the moment, what we're
[15:04] Speaker 1: seeing is Lockie Neal in bed, blame, excuse, denial, rather
[15:08] Speaker 1: than using his own ownership, accountability, and responsibility. To me,
[15:12] Speaker 1: that's the conversation to have with the kids. There's a
[15:13] Speaker 1: couple of other fun conversations that you can have in
[15:15] Speaker 1: the car.
[15:15] Speaker 3: And here's the crazy thing. I just want to cut
[15:16] Speaker 3: you off for a second because I think this is
[15:18] Speaker 3: really important. The conversation we're having about Lockie Neal is
[15:22] Speaker 3: a very different one today because of the decision he
[15:26] Speaker 3: made not in the moment, after the moment. Because if
[15:29] Speaker 3: we go back to his teammate who did the wrong
[15:33] Speaker 3: thing by him all those years ago, think about how
[15:36] Speaker 3: he was speaking about him. He owned it. And so
[15:38] Speaker 3: we can acknowledge that in the moment we make a
[15:41] Speaker 3: bad choice, but the fact that he's been able to
[15:43] Speaker 3: step away from it and go, you know what? That
[15:45] Speaker 3: was me. I did that and I need to pay
[15:47] Speaker 3: the consequences is a very different conversation. And it reflects
[15:51] Speaker 3: differently on who that man is. I don't even know him.
[15:55] Speaker 3: I don't even know his name. But I already like
[15:57] Speaker 3: him a lot better because I know that if we
[16:00] Speaker 3: were in a situation where he did something wrong, he'd
[16:03] Speaker 3: at least take it on. He'd own it.
[16:05] Speaker 1: His name was Scott Penderbury. His name is not Lockie Neal.
[16:09] Speaker 1: If you're not an AFL fan and you've stayed with
[16:11] Speaker 1: us this long, thank you. Here are three final questions
[16:14] Speaker 1: that I reckon would be really interesting to play around
[16:16] Speaker 1: with with your kids in light of what's going on here.
[16:19] Speaker 1: Number one, what would you do if you saw a
[16:22] Speaker 1: friend getting shoved? especially the ASTV boys. Fascinating, fascinating insight.
[16:28] Speaker 1: Question number two, should the best player in the comp
[16:30] Speaker 1: get different rules? And question number three, what's the difference
[16:35] Speaker 1: between sticking up for someone and getting even? Really important questions. Kylie,
[16:43] Speaker 1: the AFL Grand Final is tomorrow and Lockie Neal is
[16:48] Speaker 1: going to be there. But unless some miracle occurs for him,
[16:53] Speaker 1: He won't be taking to the field in the Brisbane
[16:56] Speaker 1: Lions uniform. Instead, he'll be on the sidelines wearing a suit.
[17:00] Speaker 1: And everybody's going to know why. I think that's the
[17:03] Speaker 1: whole lesson. Nobody has to say a word. Enjoy the
[17:07] Speaker 1: grand final. I want to say go Lions. I'm not
[17:10] Speaker 1: sure how they'll do. It could be a free-o, free
[17:13] Speaker 1: for all. A finale fitting Fremantle? You never know. Thanks
[17:17] Speaker 1: so much for listening to the Happy Families podcast. We're
[17:19] Speaker 1: back on Monday with more of the Happy Families podcast,
[17:21] Speaker 1: sound and audio, expertly done by the wonderful Justin Roulon
[17:25] Speaker 1: from Bridge Media and our additional support from Mim Hammonds.
[17:28] Speaker 1: More info about making your family happier is available at happyfamilies.com.au.
[17:33] Speaker 1: Have a great weekend and thanks for listening.

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